Toyota outsells Holden and Ford combined
November 6, 2007 by Alborz Fallah
Most of you are probably used to the monthly “Toyota remains on top” headlines here, but October was a little different. Toyota managed to not only outsell Holden and Ford individually, but also beat the combined total of its two rivals.
Last month Toyota sold 20,212 cars, compared with the combined Holden and Ford total of 19,621! It’s not hard to see why, with the company selling the second and third most popular cars in Australia (Corolla, HiLux).
“It has taken us almost 50 years to get to this position in the Australian market – and it is a great achievement for everyone involved with Toyota.” said Toyota Australia’s senior executive director sales and marketing, David Buttner.
Toyota has lifted its market share by 0.5 per cent to 22.4 compared to 2006, having sold 19,000 more vehicles in the same year-to-date period.
The tally for last month goes:
- Corolla (4123)
- HiLux (3752)
- Yaris (2486)
- Camry (1994)
- Aurion (1831)
- Prado (1273)
- Kluger (1173)
The record comes despite some troubled times at Toyota with the company temporarily pulling the TRD Aurion and most recently the all-new V6 RAV4 due to issues with the 2GR-FE 3.5-litre engine.
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TOYOTA PAUL…can see your side about ANDREW M as well as yours TOYOTA PAUL, but must say that it does not conclude Andrew M meaning that ”Fords have a better track record in terms of reliability than Toyota” as that is not what is undelying foundation of sentence struture or format of his post you refer to!
Thanks NM,
i know you were following the posts at that time so its good to see that im not the only one that feels Paul is illuding to something that wasnt said.
so out of interest you are in QLD right? what area? where is most of your work?
ANDREW M…not in QLD, am in northern NSW. Getting boat refurbished fully and relocating work to either around Buderim or Cairns as better state, better location, better people, better climate, just plain old better! Getting sick of building for people who are possessing one braincell here – sometimes I think they timeshare that one braincell – Ha Ha!
when has it ever been said by anyone that ford has a better track record than toyota? no one has ever said that.
The reason i keep coming back it it seems some people cant grasp the fact toyota is not as reliable as it was WORLDWIDE….. you can bag me and andrewm aout all you want but were not trying to discredit toyotas track record on reliability…. i am trying to prove the point that therer not as far in front reliability as they think they are, which quite frankly there not!
Its a bit like mcdonalds healthy choices… just because they say its healthy doesnt mean it is!
And paul maybe they would be accepted if you didnt ram it down all of out throats here, the only reason i wont back down is you wont accept the fact toyota are not as good as they once were…. and the fact i am fired up about the bogan comment!
yeah bogans drive toyotas too you must realise. 1 great example is “lowluxs’s”.
thats right tonyn, the only thing being argued is the “reliability” gap or difference isnt as big as percieved and now days even less
Time share a brain cell….very good!
Your absolutely right on the World wide aspect Tonyn,it seems we keep coming back to the Australian reliability issue and making money here but their loosing it else where along with their credability.
Thats ok Tonyn ,I know your not a bogan….I know what you got pizza in last night!!!Lucky bugger……..think of me when your flat stick in the M3 this Saturday! I want to know what that new V8 sounds like at 8 grand in 2nd!!!!!!!!dont let bounce off the rev limiter too long..hehehe
Bogans drive every thing…….I remember seeing a rather large couple getting out of a E46M3 in a not to affluent suburb ,wearing unbranded thongs,stubbies and white tank tops…….going into a second hand shop! Thinking so thats how you can afford the M3 ha…. Nothing against 2nd hand shops by the way! I know Im a snob other half tells me ALL the time!
Sorry Paul that was go to Mitsubishi 380 post and refer my comments as still to be convinced on your response to my question I put tou you! Iam not holding you accountable – just telling you you contradict yourself there.
Sorry NM and Andrew.M that link was conclusive, you compared Toyota v Ford and said Ford had everything over Toyota except in Toyota, where you then proceeded to say words to the effect of ‘I give in’, because you HAD been arguing they were better. There was even abit before this quote where you mentioned more. You cannot twist the facts.
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Nm as for 380 mate I think its abit of a joke what your doing obviously in defence of Andrew.M, my credbility over these issues at least cant be attacked based on ‘contradictions’ that dont even exist, I said The 380 is uglier then the Lancer and that it would have been better to have it look like the Lancer…which yes Ive expressed isnt perfect (not only rear end but interior) but given its package I can handle these drawbacks. Your going to have to dig up something better.. I have no doubt if you search long enough you will find contradictions, but on this occasion no dice.
Paul what i gave in on was the reliability subject and trying to tell you that the gap isnt as big as you make out!!! it all started from you saying toyotas are bullet proof, a comment which you deny you made even after i found THE ACTUAL TEXT
how is that survey conclusive? it an opinion poll pretty much. so what was the target audience? how many were surveyed? to be conclusive they would have needed to contact every vehicle owner in OZ. and then interperit whether or not those people were totally honest/ or understood the questions.
OK – so you put back of current Lancer on 380, all of a sudden better and you would be interested to by. You then previously say Lancer butt is average, so how do u put on 380 and all of a sudden better??? CONUNDRUM HEAPS THAT ONE PAUL – LOL x398
FULL HOUSE on 380 and ROYAL FLUSH with sorry to ANDREW M…. If it was craps table then no hope!
One would clearly assume that adding an inferior butt onto back of another car with similar butt would NOT improve its look – somehow threw bending a spoon or using mirrors you deduce opposite. Paul – no attacks on each other! Its small shit yes but that is my point mate.
OK. Not digging up any shit as just remembered ya views on Lancer. My point is dice, as you added to why you like 380 more “…as given as a package” (???) and yet at 8.52pm on 380 post you only spoke of exterior look! Pinpoint what ya mean as would like to know what ya stand for?
… typo forget 8.52pm.
Whats going on here? …This again!
Nope not revving him, he cleared it up as expanded on his earlier comment that was on the 380 post!
hehehe…. iwll let you know what the M3 is like…. im sure it will be good, im not a bmw fan, always had benzes and audis… but that m3 impressed me bar the smg!
Yeah it was a good pizza trip! concidering i drove an extra 50klms each way to get it!!! hehehehe….
MARK…
Look back at the last 5 years of profit vers sales for Ford, holden and toyota. Not just one year Mark you ‘twat’.
If we looked at one years worth of profits Toyota wouldn’t exist here…
Worldwide Toyota IS more profitable than GM or Ford, no doubt, never said they weren’t.
Lets look at Australias market shall we as many are gloating about Toyota outselling Ford and Holden combined, for ONE month mind you…
Ford sell only in RHD markets and profits come from that ONLY and has done for how long now? and has to fund it’s own local products, right?
Holden was in the same boat until the VE platform program came along.
Toyota has only just started to turn a profit for the last 2 financial years.
Now take a good hard look at the profits Toyota have made over the last 2 years and losses for the last 5 years and compare that with the profits and loss Ford and Holden has made over the last 5 years…
WQhat do you see.
In the same 5 year period and this is just for last 5 years, not the mention the last 10 years! Toyota has been market leader for 4 of thethose 5 years, shouldn’t toyota be making more than Ford and Holden? and if people want to gloat about toyota out selling Ford and Holden combined for ONE month which is silly to draw a definate conslusion anyhow, they should bloody pull better profits than ford and holden combined also, don’t you think Paul and Mark??
That would be silly i agree!!
paul you claim profits can be manipulated…maybe so, but no so much in the Auto industry, they work on shorther periods of loss vers profit…you can’t compare your industry with the auto industry directly, simple.
Wasn’t it Toyota who has altercations with the Tax department? what was that all about Pual if you know so much about auto company profits and finances??
When i say ford running more efficient…i mean Ford AUS, like Toyota AUS not Ford worldwide or Toyota worldwide, ok…like we are talking about Toyota AUS sales not worldwide sales, ok…?
Now…
Ford DOES run more efficiently than Toyota AUS, thats a simple FACT that paul and mark need to accept.
Toyota AUS sell over 200.000 vehicles a year in AUS, yet pulls how much profit?? then exports 90,000 + camrys also, to make a total of 290,000 units being pumped out of Altona a year…correct?? and they make how much again??
Ford does barley 100,000 units a year and makes how much??
Holden does 150,000 units and makes how much??
Now again please tell me how efficient Toyota AUS is??
Remember take the average over the last 5 years…add 10 years if you like,, the picture stays the same…
Toyota has admitted itself that take away exports and they would be losing money easily…3
wonder why they are winging about freezing import tariffs come 2010 to the current levels…
Imagine if Ford AUS did have an export program!? they would kick toyota butt easily for profit and efficiency!!
Paul you mention how profit is not the most important thing and how figures can be manipulated…ok, maybe you would like to explain that one to Toyota Copr worldwide who are the most cash rich auto company going around!!??
first excuse you use is Toyota AUS spend more money, wrong!
Ford and Holden spend more than Toyota AUS does on local product development, jeez some of you need to get some true and accurate information.
Now you claim profit figures are manipulated and not the first priority in the auto buisness but you would be WRONG agian.
Now explain Honda and Mazda which i see Paul and Mark have left out of the picture…??
TOYOTA LOVERS…Toyota, the world number two, sold 2.34 million vehicles worldwide in the July to September period, just below GM’s 2.38 million tally.
Toyota also suffered a blow in the US when Consumer Reports, the influential consumer advice publication, said it was reversing a practice of automatically recommending all new Toyota cars. “Consumer Reports will no longer recommend any new or redesigned Toyota built models without reliability data on a specific design,” said the magazine, which is extremely influential with US car buyers. Recalls in Japan and the US, two of its most important markets, have totalled 1.18m this year.
Last year, when Toyota recalled 2.1m vehicles in the US and Japan, it was ordered by the Japanese government to reduce the number of defects in its cars. The damage to Toyota’s reputation for quality follows a difficult period for the group, which is poised this year to overtake General Motors (as noted first paragraph) as the world’s largest carmaker (Toyota still most profitable then GM – so much TOYOTA PAUL for they can spend there way out of troubles as be there done that for years and experienced more then others).
And I turn my discovery to this report on the 16.10.07 on TOYOTA news page – in a stunning blow to Toyota’s sterling reputation for reliability, Consumer Reports on Tuesday said it no longer recommends the V6 version of the best selling 2007 Toyota Camry or the 4WD V8 version of the 2007 Toyota Tundra because of below average reliability.
In 2005, Toyota was forced to recall as many as 2.29m cars in the US and more than 1.88m vehicles in Japan, leading the carmaker to set up an emergency task force to improve its quality track record, under the direct leadership of its president, Katsuaki Watanabe (STUFF ME, FANCY HAVING A GOVERNMENT INTERVENE INSTRUCTING TOYOTA TO LIFT ITS ACT…DARE SAY WHAT “VESTED” INTEREST HAS GOVERNMENT???). Since then, recall numbers have been on the decline and Toyota has said it has addressed most of the problems. However, “it seems, they have not addressed their problems 100 per cent”, said Koji Endo, auto analyst at Credit Suisse in Tokyo. “I don’t think Toyota’s quality has declined.”
GREAT RESULT FOR UNCOMMON SENSE – NOW JOHN LAWS WROTE A BOOK TITLED ‘….UNCOMMON SENSE’ (of something real similar). TALK ABOUT LOL TO THE OBLIVIOUS NOT KNOWN BUT TOYOTA LOVERS DOWNUNDER!!!!
LOL…..x 1,007! Ha Ha Ha
oh dear this is going to get messy huh….
NM your trying to start sh*t again… you have no point, Ive already stated twice now what I said, the Lancer is better looking then the 380, but it isnt perfect. In fact in one of the Evo threads I clarified this, by saying the Evo has a got front but ordinary rear, making it overall avg. I didnt say in the 380 thread its got, but avg looking is better then ugly, because the 380 rear is hideous and its front is better but still not great. If you cant understand this then there is no hope for you. Im getting tyred of being accountable to you, it already happened once with AndrewM and Ross, I proved myself… Ive done it again with you, accept it, move on and talk about cars rather then nitpicking.
Adam I dont know how you can try to argue Toyota isnt doing well in Australia! You gotta look beyond profits… in the last couple of years there have been other factors which have provided lower reported profits; in 2004 they opened a $50 million head office (a significant expenditure Ford + Holden havent had to deal with in recent years), in 2006 they had additional expenditure in preparing for the new models (Yes Ford + Holden have had same issues, highlighting why its hard to compare companies against each other based on years because one company may be in the introduction phase of a new vehicle while the other is in growth!), they export more then Ford + Holden who incurs addition costs and of course they had issues with the tax office, with the ATO claiming they owed in between $400mil and $1bil in tax and penalties, which Toyota more than likely provided a provision for in their financial statements thus reducing profits (suprise suprise as soon as this was resolved, along with new products introduced, they posted larger profits than Ford + Holden did in their peak!). There are some more things I can dish up which explain why they had low REPORTED profits… you have to realise that profits aernt the be all and end all, you just have to look at the cyclical nature of profits within the auto industry to realise this. A company will make a very small profit or loss in the first years of the introduction of a new vehicle as all the expenditure put into it is realised with minal sales, while a few years after this introduction it will start to profit, as sales increase due to awareness and the expenditure for previous years is offset. Now during this period of low profit or even loss going off your logic Adam you would say the company is doing badly, because profits are everything right, but you neglect the fact that the capital expediture (much like Toyotas with development of their plants and head office etc) will eventually lead to a great profit making ability! On top of this, then other external issues as seen by Toyota through ATO’s interaction can result in provisions and allowances to be made for potential events, which again reduce profits. Mind you this isnt complicated, I do Tax myself with only abit of Auditing… this knowledge Im sharing here is 1st year uni stuff.
paul…. again dont mean to sound like im putting you down, but there not super profitable, there reliability is slipping, and there cars arent exciting, what is the point of all this aguing about toyota being light years ahead of the other australian car manufacturers, they only thing they are seeming to excel in is sales…. in reliability they are SLIGHTLY in front of the other 3, but in every other aspect of there business there equally as bad!
i just cant understand why all this arguing keeps going on when we all get to the same conclusion!
Paul…
I said the last 5 years and even 10 years of average profit, not one year.
You ramble on with capital expenditure, ok…
You constantly say toyota spends more, WRONG.
Ford is selling it’s local engineering work, it’s opened up new styling departments too, these arguments you use for Toyota go for both Holden and Ford also!!
Look back at the last 10 years and what Ford has spend on falocn/terriotry alone and see what Toyota has spend on local products??
You never explain why Honda and Mazda do well???
Toyota worldwide is spending up big on exspansion, yet has record profits, funny that!
The reality is Toyota AUS sells the most yet doesn’t have the results to show for it.
Who again has been selling and making cars here longer? Ford and Holden, not Toyota.
Toyota Paul…sorry, but lets agree to disagree on that comment of yours. No Iam not stirring shit! If you want the last word just explain my previous question I asked on the subject! If feel you are trying to turn it around, clearly I have stated my view!
Also concerning my research on many sites, I have a very long comment under review at 9.55am today that is interesting reading.
Surely my 9.55am comment will be put up, this is based on accurate information of reputable sources. I would like a reply as to what you think TOYOTA PAUL. It concerns Toyota on the worldwide stage!
I ask Pual and Mark…
1. What is Toyota getting out off being number one in market share, certainly not profits to match…?
i dont think it is worth arguing!! toyota paul will never see to reason! if we all to agree to disagree we will all be better off!
True…
I guess thats why Toyota sells so well!:)
Yes Tonyn I will never see reason… Im the one explaining issues with going off reported profits… ffs what a comment by you! Ive given you the reasons Adam, particularly the tax issue which was for $400mil to $1nil… which you can guarrantee Toyota would have made a provision for, thus reducing profits. If you want to continue defying logic then do so. Not that this matters, I dont know what you are getting at by attacking their profits… the fact is they have the same sales as Ford and Holden combined. This is a car blog, all we need to know is that people given these sales seem to think Toyota has it all over the locals. I love Tonyn comments to, they ONLY excel in sales, geez wouldnt sales be a reflection of how they are doing in all areas!?! Seriously this anti-Toyota sentiment is becoming a joke.
Paul…
Why would Toyota be in buisness?? just for the fun?
You said Toyota outsold Ford and Holden combined…for ONE month!! Toyota even admits they have the freshest product compared to Holden and Ford.
people keep saying Ford need to export falcon, i so bullsh*t Exports currently aren’t doinf any favours for Holden OR Toyota, well toyota yes as they would be in the red all the time if they didnt export 90,000 + camrys every year.
How about you stop generalizing? like the media do.
I’ve told you time and time again…look up the profit figures for all brands for the last 5 years.
Toyota outsells everyone else in the AUS market yet pulls paltry profits, thats reality, your the one defying logic by arguing they are efficient.
The numbers simply don’t add up…
I ask again…for the 4th time, how do you explain Mazda and Honda?
Forget investment in new product locally, they all have that expense.
Why can’t Toyota AUS make more money than what they are??
You have answers for everything else, but that!
please explain…
A better question…
Could Toyota AUS afford to be selling at the same volume as Holden, ford, Honda or mazda??
I’ve delt with toyota dealers as a broker, they sell many models for volume not profit.
Thats something Mazda and Honda don’t do. na dit’s somehting you won’t see Ford do selling the new mondeo compared to camry.
Don’t silly to think Toyota makes as much as you would think.
If they kept more profit per unit, they would make more money!
The reality is toyota has done what many mainstream brands do now, they sell more on price and less on brand value.
Do you think the previous corolla would have sold as many if they were priced the same as focus, mazda 3 and astra??
I don’t think so.
People were over the moon to be able to buy a corolla for a base price under $20,000!! reputation and price cutting helps.
Looks at the current camry, deals galore.
Paul,
one thing ive noticed with you reasoning for low toyota profits is the “Tax Bill”.
so are you saying ford and holden dont have to pay taxes?
just because toyota didnt want to pay them and then got stung it doesnt make it an additional expense for them.
im not sure what the exact reasoning for the late bill was (and i doubt any one out side of toyota HQ knows the truth about it) but say you get an electricity bill but dont pay it. then you get a few reminders and Energex get cranky with you so you have to pay it, does that mean that you have to pay more house hold expenses than your neighbour that paid theirs on time?
Adam,
ill give my view on your question.
NO toyota wouldnt be able to survive on the same volume sales as holden or ford. the aussie dollar gains like 5cents and they are screwed and have to pull up stumps.
will import tarriffs and the aussie dollar bother ford or holden? NO
but i will ask this question back to you…….
you say about getting a cheap rolla means they are cutting their throats, but you can get a base focus for under $20K aswell. and most of toyotas range seems to be actually dearer not cheaper than holden and fords.
maybe its how much they discount them to the fleets. you dont become the number one fleet seller by selling at RRP to them i suppose.
what im saying is i dont think it is in their low pricing that means low profits. their price is…… lets say comparible. unless they sell at total cut price for fleets which is possible i suppose
Adam Ive given you explanations for low reported profits, forgive me if I missed yours, but why do you claim they aernt making high reported profits? You say Im generalising when Im not… your the one who generalised saying they are not ‘efficient’ as to the reason why they aermt gettomg great profits…. prity crappy reasoning. Thats not a good enough answer, I want to know why they are not getting high profits despite high sales. Here is a tip, in lay terms profits are sales – expenditure. So you need to tell me something about their expenditure which is resulting in low profits due to ‘inefficiencies’… because it has nothing to do with sales, they are selling the most vehicles and are selling them at the higher end of the market in terms of pricing, I dont know where you got this BS about them being cheap, in fact much of the Kluger thread involved disucssion about the Kluger being to expensive!!! Using your logic, the only thing I could think of is they have increased cost of goods sold, because they offer to good of value for money in their products, such as features, which increase the cost of each unit while eating into the profit. I await your thoughts.
Andrew.M…. No, the exact circumstances are well documented. The tax issue wasnt about tax they legitmately owed, it was about the ATO claiming transfer pricing on imports of vehicles wasnt accurate by Toyota (an example of what happened with Toyota, Toyota Japan values vehicle at $10,000… Toyota Australia imports vehicle and says its worth $14,000… as a result less tax is paid because profit from the unit is decreased, Id say Toyota low reported profits would have contributed to ATO’s suspision). In this case the ATO penalised them and demanded they pay the tax they should have… with the pending possibility of such expenses the company would provide a provision for it in their financial statements (another example, my understanding is they do this so that say they owe $400mil to tax office, instead of being whacked with this huge amount in one financial year it spreads the amount over a couple of years). In the end I believe Toyota got the favourable result from it and as I said previously, the folowing financial year suprise suprise (no more provision) they return something like a $150mil profit. Even if this somehow wasnt the case, Im sure the shockwave from the ATO would have resulted in Toyota Australia more accurately pricing their vehicles imported, resulting in more accurate figures, increasing profits. Im getting to the point where Im going to go through Toyotas financial statemetns if I can find them, but I really dont have much time on my hands now… in a month or so I may revisit this.
Just adding to this transfer pricing, something like this is done because overseas may have favourable taxation, given Australia is one of the most heavily taxed developed countries, Id say this was the case. By paying $14k for a $10k vehicle, Aus increases expenditure and thus decreased profit and taxable income, while Toyota Japan earns this $4k in a country which will tax it less than if it was earnt in Australia.
Also of note I just read that Toyota in 2007 was given a taxable income adjustment to the value of $350mil, which means they were in fact overly taxed in previous years… so this is the 5th reason Im providing for why previous years didnt have high profits
Paul,
ah so we are talking about tax evasion? ah i got ya.
so toyota want to produce here to benefit from the low aussie dollar (at the time) and dont want to pay our tax?
when were they found out?
there is nothing wrong with our tax system. fair enough we are taxed much higher than other countries but we do benefit from a lot more things than other countries so the tax dollars are being well spent.
hows hospital systems and social security sound? and then couple that with not having to live in a hostile environment.
paul…. seriously mate…. i try to reason with you but you seriously dont get it…. fact is there not as grand as you make toyota out to be, sure there no1 in australia, but there profit isnt great, they cant seem to release a car without it having a stop sale on it lately…. and even cars that they are releasing have been delayed (TRD HiLux)… so mate dont kid your self sales is only where there exceeding, no where else…… if they were perfect in all areas as you would like to think, they would of made a huge profit, had no trouble with the tax guy, had no stop sales and released cars on time….. seriously you rag me for some of the comments i put on here but you continusly come up with bulls!#t and when you cant win you then turn on the poor me tonyn and andrewm are picking on me crap…. go back to accounting, im sure your exceptional at it… leave true car enthuiasts to talk about cars….
I didnt want to have to insult you but you keep putting me down on here…. seriously i will be leaving this forum because of you….. you bring up all of these “facts” based of one phone poll, then you admit there not as profitable as ford and holden but who cares about that? if they dont make profit they wont exist… oh thats why there prob looking at exporting camry from thailand….
i dont think i have ever said toyota do a bad job…. i infact applaud them for exceling in getting a reasonable product in every catergory…. i know a lot of motor manufacturers are still trying to do that with lirttle or no success!!, but you still carry on saying we bag out toyota, the only reason i do is you continue to give every one brain damage about toyota.
to all the sane car enthuiasts ill see you guys back on here when we dont have to hear crap anbout how good toyota is all the time!
Transfer pricing is actually accepted as part of the tax system, its just organisations have to follow by specific rules. Now Ive looked into this more in the end Toyota had to make a one off payment which was less then originally thought… so their is the explanation for lower profits, some transfer pricing. In addition to this as Ive said previously having 70% of vehicles produced in Australia being exported with a rising Australian dollar isnt helping!
As for your little rant, Toyota did what youd expect from a multinational company, it has tried to reduce its tax burden. It wasnt tax evasion, more tax avoidance.
Tonyn,
im prob not far behind you.
i enjoy a good argument (it keeps us healthy) but it is going a bit beyond the joke i must admit.
Paul is like the kid in the school yard that gets in a fight, gets legs and arms broken and ends up in hospital in a coma yet would still declare he won the fight.
and if someone reminds him that HE was the one in a coma he would simply pass right over the point.
So is this now TAX advice ,Paul ? Lets all find another post to chat about cars,before I push the screen off the desk…grrrrrr And seeing I am the women I should have the last word. Andrew knows that from having 3 sisters don’t you???
Please do leave Tonyn, your providing nothing. Ive already stated that profits are not always a true reflection of reality… fogetting this logic a profit is a gauge of a companies sucess, sales in this case (prices are at the higher end) are the gauage of the products success. So who cares about profits, this is a car blog not a finance blog… Toyota gets the most sales because they sell for the most part, the best vehicles. SIMPLE. This isnt about me not realising their weaknesses, Im well aware of them, its about me showing you that they are in fact doing well!
Hahaha Andrew.M im stating the facts here and Im the one losing and coming back. YOU are beyond a joke Andrew.M, I embarressed your a*se over the Ford > Toyota reliability claims and now again your a fish out of water trying to attack me about the financial issues related to Toyota.
BM Ive already stated I want to move on, I didnt start this Toyota profit BS…. as I just said all that matters in a car blog is sales!
your so full of it paul…. i will leave… ive added about as much to all of these conversations as you have…..
I have never stated toyota arent doing well you tool…. thats why there number one. watch out now seems like there becoming complacent!
you can say all the crap you want, i like a good debate, but it will be no good when your the only one on here crapping on about your toyotas.
I have spent many a year in the motor industry, driven more cars then you have had cheap take away dinners, met and dealt with some of the highest people in the motor trade, and argued with some of the most one eyed motoring enthuiasts, but ive never met someone that has frustrated me like you. Maybe if your so passionate i could organise you a job selling toyotas, see how you fair…
i just cant take it anymore…. you also offer nothing to any topic on here but to cause arguments about toyotas that are not warranted. congratulations! you are the main cause of grief on here, even when we try to side with you you attack.
i hope you do as well at your studies as you do at being a tool on here. if that is the case you will be a genius in your field.
barvarian and andrew, look forward to chatting via email…. you guys would love what i have in the garage tonight!!!
I do cause the most trouble here… afterall Im the one who came here with his ridiculous thoeries for why Toyota sell so well.
Go to see you go, enjoy the Ford forums!
you idiot i did say it was a joke…. are you 8 or something!!
Can’t we all be friends? lol
not with that bloke… we have tried to be reasonable but he just wont budge…. so they lose one loyal reader and keep one tool! i just cant keep my cool any longer!
Yes you say it was a joke, but your objective was clear. Aernt you gone yet?