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Mazda6 Review

MAZDA MAZDA6

Pros: Styling inside and out, handling, steering feel, engine response and economy

Cons: Rear headroom, some hard plastics

By Karl Peskett |
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Price: $21,330 to $35,160

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In the mid-size car sales race, the Mazda6 has sat in the number two position for a long time. Second doesn’t always mean second-best, though, so if you’ve got a pulse, if you don’t wear gloves or a cardigan, and if you actually enjoy your driving, then the Mazda6 should be considered as one of the leading bullet-points on your shopping list.

On paper, the Mazda6 begins making a case for itself by offering an extremely competitive warranty. While most competitors offer only 100,000km of warranted driving, Mazda is one of the few that doesn’t care how many kays you rack up in your car; if it’s within the three year period, you’re covered.

There’s more. In the Mazda6 you do feel like you’re steering a car, rather than turning the wheel on a butter churner. Helping things here were the 18-inch wheels on this week’s test car. Sure, they make the ride a little jiggly, but the trade-off is assured handling (with a smidge of body roll) plus, they make the car look stunning.

The Mazda6′s design is truly beautiful. From every angle, the car is assuredly gorgeous, and with silver accents around the fog-lamps, chrome borders for the side windows and clear, detailed tail-lamps, there’s plenty of visual highlights. The swoopy Mazda design language works brilliantly with the proportions of the Mazda6, and thankfully the “happy face” isn’t too prominent.

Inside, it’s also a classy finish with clear, beautifully backlit instrumentation, well stitched seats and a smooth, flowing dashboard. The glovebox is a decent size, there’s cupholders, keyholders and cardholders aplenty, and in a nod to its Sports moniker, the pedals are clad in drilled metal plates. There’s a Bose stereo which for this price point is excellent, and fitted to our test car was the optional touch-screen sat-nav, which sits very neatly in the centre stack without looking like a stereo shop add on.

The boot is absolutely huge, and being a hatch is ridiculously easy to load family belongings. Rear seat legroom is actually excellent for this category (it is a mid-size car, don’t forget) however headroom is knocked back due to its sloping roof. Other black marks come in the form of mismatching plastics across the dashtop; the passenger’s side is quite soft, while the driver’s side is hard. The door trim’s hardness is somewhere in the middle, however the grain and colour on all three looks identical, so it claws back some points. The hill-hold (on manual models) is appreciated, too.

The front seats are supportive and the leather is quite grippy, meaning that the back seat’s flatness isn’t a problem. The brakes also work well, but only if they’re pushed; there’s not a lot of immediate bite which can initally feel unnerving, however you learn to trust it and use more pressure.

All driving controls fall to hand quite well, with the gear lever not being too tall, or too far away. The gate is quite narrow, but well defined, and combined with a light, progressive clutch, the Mazda6 is simple to drive. The steering, too, is well weighted and gives plenty of feel. It turns in cleanly, but it communicates its limits clearly and feels planted, so while it’s not an out-and-out sports car, it’s got all the right moves to keep you interested. It’s certainly a cut above the Honda Accord Euro and Hyundai i45, and leaves the Camry trailing in a wake of grey blandness.

The Mazda6′s 2.5-litre four cylinder sounds mostly smooth throughout the rev range (although it does get a bit breathy at the top end), and is quite responsive. There’s enough torque down low, so it does pull from 1500rpm onwards, however 3500rpm is its sweet spot where it picks up and heads to its 6500rpm redline with urgency. It also returns good fuel economy – we matched exactly the 8.5-litre/100km ADR economy figure in our week of running around, which is quite impressive considering the driving was mostly city bound.

In the cut and thrust of traffic, the Mazda6 is a pearler. It’s always smooth in stop-start conditions, the cabin is quiet, and the suspension never knocks or crashes. Sure, there’s a bit of road noise on coarse-chip surfaces, but it’s never wearing or overbearing. Rather, the 6 is one of those cars that you could imagine having the kids in the back for a long country drive to a summer holiday destination, or you could be wearing a suit and conducting a business meeting while driving – it does it all.

Whether it’s the classy cabin, the unique exterior styling, or the capable handling and steering, there’s a lot to like about the 2010 Mazda6. Why it’s number two is beyond me.

I guess it’s true what they say – two is better than one.

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*Pricing is a guide as recommended to us by the manufacturer and does not include dealer delivery, on-road or statutory charges.



 

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  • Leon

    This is a very nice-looking car!

    • Camry lover

      The aesthetics are reasonable, but as a matter of opinion, undeserved praise is endowed to the Mazda at the expense of the class superlative Toyota Camry. It is quite clear that the societies of Australia and America consider the Camry a cut above the Mazda. Evidence for this assertion can be ascertained from the respective sales figures of both automobiles.

      Under the democratic system, as utilised here in Australia and in the preeminent Unites States, the people decide the winner, and a three to one sales ratio makes the Camry the clear victor in the mid-size class.

      • Mad Max

        Its got nothing to do with democracy. Its got everything to do with the huge discounts that Toyota offer to fleet and business buyers. Mazda’s discounts are very very small and therefor fleet buyer flock to Camry. Well along with pensioners. The problem with this strategy is that if fleet sales drop (or the pensioners die) then Toyota’s sales go with them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587042927 Jackson

          The resale value also nose dives wherever the fleet buyers go.. if you take notice, there are no Mazda rental cars, no business fleets, and no 46% 3yr resale values as a result.

          • moonbeam

            40% of Mazda 6s are sold to fleets.

      • Jimmy

        Translation – Australia and America choose Camry fleets because they’re cheap, boring, and have no soul.

        • nickdl

          You could say it in a nicer way. I’d say that the 6 and the Camry are quite different in this class. The Camry sells on being big, cheap, safe, basic transport (and utterly dull) whereas the Mazda is far nicer looking, though not quite as big. Fleets like the characteristics of the Camry and hence they sell better.

          The 6 is a far nicer car in all respects though not as big as the Camry and Mazda do not offer the same fleet discounts as Toyota do, hence better resale for the 6.

      • Hung Low

        Why does your writing style seem like you have a thesaurus beside the PC or one similar to one of those Kenyan emails!

        • Camry lover

          No personal attacks please.

          My style of writing (usually) embraces the principles of formality, sophistication, savoir faire and linguistic enlightenment.

          It is just my style, just like others embrace a genre of written communication sans correct spelling, grammar and refinement.

          • http://www.caradvice.com.au/78068/mazda6-review-road-test-2/ Skye

            You sound like you need to go to the footy with a bunch of blokes, have a few beers, a meat pie, a bet on the winner and live a little.
            Loosen up man……no wonder you drive a bloody Camry.

          • Hung Low

            Not a personal attack, just an observation. I enjoy it as it really seems like you are taking the piss.
            Tell me, shouldn’t a fine aristocrat like yourself see praise in a Rolls, Bentley or Jaguar instead of a mundane Camry?

          • Dman

            God, I hope you don’t talk like you write. Using correct spelling and grammar doesn’t mean you have to sound like a total wanker. “Linguistic enlightenment?” Cringe.

          • matt

            your personal style reflects your vehicle nicely. Other then being extremely recist as usual and covering it well with words, your opinion as always is invalid. Camry lover you are obviously over medicated, the mazda is simply better then anything toyota can throw at it, please stay with your locally made toyota and never walk into another manufaturers doors, they do not want you as a customer.

          • Camry lover

            Hung Low, my wife is possessor of an upscale Lexus ES 300, an $80,000 automobile. We are looking to replace it with the $120,000 Lexus GS 450h. I however, am extremely pleased with my Camry Hybrid, which marks the epitome of mainstream refinement, despite its more subdued grandeur.

            Dman and Matt, a cessation of your unmannerly personal attacks would be highly valued.

          • Camry lover

            Matt, I take particular offence to your assertion of my “recist [sic]” opinions. I strongly deny that exasperating allegation as I also thrive on the pillars of acceptance and societal liberalisation. I am especially supportive of causes that support equality based on race, religion and the progressivist movement by the elderly, who are discriminated against in the workforce.

            Additionally, please excuse the error in my above post. I wrote, “…my wife is possessor of…”, when “…my wife is the possessor of…” is the correct form.

    • gavjon

      Guys, you do realise that Camry lover is just taking the mikey out of you. Who in there right mind would drive a Camry Hybrid, and think about buying a Lexus Hybrid…no one is that pathetic…….

      • Camry lover

        No personal attacks please. Hurling such offensive remarks at a fellow Car Advice reader is uncalled for.

        • Tom R

          Camry Lover, i genuinely hope you just have a good sense of humour and are not actually the person who is coming across these comments…

          There is nothing wrong with driving a Camry, but being so arrogant is a bit rich…

          And the Lexus ES300 is now a $7000 automobile and was Lexus’s cashcow, with very little Lexus DNA and a whole lot of obvious badge engineering. I know this because I just bought one, I was shopping for a Camry and ended up with an ES300, it had one speaker more than the Vienta Grande I was looking at for the same price.

          Lovely car, but I thought the Camry was good too.

  • Marc

    Great review Karl!

    I reckon this is still the best mid size car on the market. Anyone who buys a Camry has got rocks in their head.

    The luxury sport model is a little pricey though.

    • tekkyy

      review summary is right on the money
      steering feel is really dynamic, at low speeds it is really easy park
      engine response is amazing, the rev jumps quicker than Accord Euro

      though there are bits I can’t agree with it,
      “smooth” and “quiet”? no I dont think so

  • Wayne Kerr

    A sweet looking car like that is just screaming for a better engine. Come on Mazda, in order to zoom zoom, you need powahhhh.

    • Stoney!

      I agree, the 2.5 is a great engine, but i think mazda needs to slip into the small capacity turbos with a 1.8t like most manufacturers are starting to do….

      Look at skoda’s 1.8t, 118kw (bit less) and 250nm, quite a bit more and over a bunch more revs, better economy too.

      Stoney!

      • Devil’s Advocate

        Mazda don’t wish to go down the small turbocharged route at this time. They are going down their “Sky” route instead with the option of turbo-charging further down the track. I guess we will have to reserve judgement until they have been release, however it looks promising going by a “pre-production” drive review of a development mule on another website.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      It already does have a better engine than the 2.5L Wayne. It is the 2.2L diesel with more power and almost twice the torque. It is one of the quickest in class when it comes to overtaking on the highway (in gear acceleration) etc.

      So going by this review there is a better car in this class than the 6 as the Kizashi got 1/2 a star higher rating 2 days ago… ;-)

      All that being said, as per the review, this is NOT a sports car and provides more than enough performance for the majority of everyday driving. Don’t forget that the cooking model V8 Commodores etc of the 80s were slower and less powerful….

      • Mad Max

        The problem with the 2.2 diesel is its manual only for now. This wipes out 90% of the potential sales. Once the auto is available late 2011 the sales will grow quickly.

        • Igomi Watabi

          it’s a pity that wipes off potential sales, as it really is a great car. Hopefully, when the auto becomes available, it doesn’t see the manual dropped from lack of sales. I lament that it is so difficult to find a manual car thes days.

  • Able

    Always loved them! Shame I found a better car for the price because a Lux Sports would look pretty good in my garage!

    The main problem for me was the Lux Sports not getting a better engine to match it’s sport(ier) credentials (unlike the XR5T and Octy RS for around the same price) but oh well.

    MUCH better than the Accord Euro! Awful bloody car…

    • Igomi Watabi

      okay, I’ll bite. What was the other car you found?

  • ABMPSV

    It is a nice car. What I do not like the engine. Noisy and should be more economical and better torque. On Drive websute on 19 June was a test between Hyundai i45 ELITE v Mazda6 Classic v Suzuki Kizashi XLS v Volkswagen Jetta 118 TSI (Skoda Octavia 1.8TSI) and Jetta come out on top but not by much. Main winner was for Jetta the engine yes cost more but if you do not mind Octavia go for it.

  • F1MotoGP

    Mazda much nicer cars than many years ago but engine and fuel economy for me an issue. 11.9 liter in city compared to Jetta 8.9 liter I know which one I choose. I like the VW engine it pulls like a diesel from 1500 rpm and you got max torque 240Nm at that low revs.

    • ABMPSV

      Other problem for Mazda will be CO2 tax. Mazda 206g/km and VW 153g/km

      • Mad Max

        C02 tax is no issue in Australia as we are not taxed on C02. Yet!

        • Hung Low

          Wait till the Greens see you post1

          • Shak

            I for one support a tax on manufacturers, similar to an ETS but for manufacturers of automobiles to force them to produce more efficient cars. It would work like the CAFE regulations but ensure the government could use the revenue to funs renewables projects. I know it sounds very optimistic, but look at what CAFE has done. So many manufacturers know have to meet those standards or pull out of the NA market all together.

    • Homer

      Owned both a 6 and a Jetta FSI turbo. Mazda brilliant steering and handling. Jetta kills it for just about everything else. Both did over 100,000km without a single warranty claim. Long distance the performance of the Jetta makes it a joy rather than an overtaking guessing game with the Mazda. Both are light years ahead of the Camry.

  • Todd

    I think it would even better without the rear wing

    • Igomi Watabi

      hear, hear. imagine being a car designer, proud of your profession, and the marketing blokes at your company continually saw fit to ruin your designs with pointless, weighty, plastic add-ons.

  • Jonty

    I had a 2004 luxury model (before moving to large sized vehicle to accommodate the growing family) and have to say I still remember it with fondness…was/is an excellent car. If I were to buy mid sized this would be my pick once again, althought perhaps in diesel this time around.

  • Nick K

    A bit overstyled, but attractive none the less. I also like the hatch body style. It needs a diesel and 6 speed auto NOw.

  • Jabba the Hutt

    This is the best looking car in the segment at the moment. I’d happily own one.

  • m2m

    Got two of these in our house – Auto Luxury Sports and manual classic, both hatches. Absolutely beautiful cars! They’re not the smoothest in class but they’re loads of fun to drive all the time. Could use a little more power but it’s enough for your everyday driver.

  • Jimmy

    Don’t get me wrong, I like this, but why wouldn’t you buy a mondeo xr5t for the same money, more kit, and better made on the inside?

    • filippo

      Sadly, the XR5 Mondeo no longer exists.

    • Shak

      Many people do not like the fact that the Modeo is a very heavy bugger, and the heavy handed application of the Kinetic design language on the Mondeo. I do, but i have many mates that hated it when it was released.

  • Tim

    Will look outdated quicky. Accord Euro for me.

  • Ezzagun

    I test drove the mazda6 (it was a Classic sedan) a few months back when I was looking to buy in this segment, based on what I’d read about it being best-in-class. I will say that it’s a fairly impressive package (design is attractive, interior not bad, if a little dark and plasticky, also suspension well-sorted, steering/handling very good)… but that 2.5L engine is a let down, there’s no two ways about it (the diesel was not an option as my wife won’t drive a manual and Mazda doesn’t offer an auto with the diesel). So yes, it was a big disappointment for me after reading so many wonderful reviews about the Mazda6, and as someone who enjoys a little ‘enthusiastic driving’ every so often, it paled into comparison with what I eventually purchased – a Skoda Octavia RS. For less money than the Mazda6 Sport hatch, the engine was in a different performance league, it has more power but uses less fuel (the extra $5 per tank for premium fuel is well worth it and I come out ahead on fuel economy in the end)… the Octavia’s interior is also a fair step up in quality and I just cannot recommend a Mazda6 to anyone who has even a remote interest in driving beyong tootling around town.

    • Eric

      Your purchase price and lower MPG gains will obliterated by the Skoda’s resale value.

      Eric

      • Captain Nemo

        Yep gotta agree with you there Eric

        Would love to trade my unreliable & rattle prone Octavia in on something like a 6 but the best offer i have had is $15K after paying $42K.

      • Tomas79

        Skoda’s resale is stupid speculation, given skoda has excellent resale in europe, with time there is no reason why Australia should be any different!!

      • Ezzagun

        Resale is of no consequence to me, it was not even a consideration in my purchase decision, my car is not an investment as I intend on keeping the car for around 8-10 years so resale is of no importance to me at all, no matter what make and model I went with Johnno… my money went on the car that I believed would give me the most driving satisfaction and reliability during my ownership period, and that was hands down the Skoda Octavia RS.

  • DeskDreaming

    Given the new 6 is so good it makes it all the more regretful that they could not get a MPS 6 out

  • http://baji192.wordpress.com Baji

    You can blame the americans for the lack of MPS6.

    The US decided it wanted a bigger car, so they stretched the 6 platform, and made a bigger vehicle out of it, dropped in the V6 and 6 speed auto from the CX9 and said that there was no longer a need for a smaller turbocharged awd 6 flagship.

    Such a shame.

    Pity mazda don’t have an auto for the diesel either.

    But all that will change soon when the Sky range of engines and transmission come out.

    You hear people saying that the “Sky” technology that mazda proclaim is behind the times or not technologically advanced compared to the germans with their low displacement turbocharged engines. But imo, mazda have taken the grassroots approach, and addressed the problems that plague the NA ICE’s and have actually improved them. If they can get that much of an improvement out of conventional engines, how is that NOT technically advanced? I certainly think it is.

    Another example – the 2.3 DISI turbo. It’s one of the most powerful 4cyl engines out there. Imagine if they turbocharged the Sky range of engines? I’m betting if they do it right, a turbocharged sky range would be right up there with the germans.

    • richard

      The 2.3L DISI Turbo is powerful in its class simply because its one of the biggest engines – lol. Most of its competitors have 2L turbo engines. The Mazda engine is also very thirsty. It uses way miore fuel than the equivalent Golf GTI.

      Sky engines main claim to fame is start/stop tech and direct injection. No big deal actually.

      • Shak

        Exactly what Baji was trying to get at. People have this preconceived notion that to be technically advanced you need to have turbos, DI, Superchargers etc etc. But Mazda have managed to do what all other manufacturers failed to do. They understood that ICE engines only needed more tuning and refining and did just that. And on the 2.3 DISI engine, when you consider that it has almost 40Kw more than its nearest rival in the 3 MPS from only 300 cc more capacity is very impressive. Mazda does a damned good job and make some of the finest cars in their respective classes, it just that over time the Germans got this reputation that never went away.

      • Devil’s Advocate

        What other cars are you comparing the 3MPS to Richard? (the only way to get the 2.3 DISI now)

        The GTi and it’s other VAG derivatives aside, it’s other mainstream competitors in the ‘turbo, small/medium hot hatch/sedan’ brigade would be the WRX, XR5 and Lancer Ralliart. Out of those, only the Ralliart has a smaller engine than the Mazda. The others are 2.5L. In standard tune the WRX has only last year had more power (approx 5 kw) but still trails the smaller Mazda engine for torque by around 40Nm (over 10% more torque from a smaller engine). The XR5 trails in both. You have to give Mazda credit for the 2.3DISI considering how much smaller the company is with a lot smaller R&D budget compared to VAG etc. I also think the majority of owners of “hot hatches” etc couldn’t give a damn about fuel economy! Even then it isn’t that bad. I drove from Canberra to Bairnsdale via Cann River up through the mountains “enthusiastically without breaking the speed limit” and I averaged 7.2L/100km in my MPS. Still not as good as a GTi granted, but as you said, the GTi has a smaller engine with a lot less power and we all know that the only way you can make more power is to burn more fuel!

        So in reality it is not one of the biggest engines in it’s class, it is actually in the middle somewhere.

        Also, the “Sky” engines have more technology than just direct injection and start/stop. The SKY-G will have a compression ratio of between 13-14:1. Compression this high is virtually unheard of in the automotive world and more the realms of high performance motorcycles. This is used in conjunction with the use of newer “low friction” materials in the block and weight reductions.

        Don’t get me wrong, the 2L VAG turbo engine in the GTi is one of the world’s greatest smaller capacity engines made by one of the biggest/richest automotive giants in the world, but the Mazda 2.3DISI is still quite a potent engine for it’s size and is up near the top of it’s class.

  • Radster

    Owning a MY2010 Mazda6 Luxury Sedan I can certainly vouch for the fact that this is an exceptionally fine car. It has a plethora of strengths and one is capable of having a long-term relationship with this car. My only gripe is the lack of proper iPod integration. A shame given the very fine acoustics of the Bose audio system. Having to fork out roughly $3,000 for SatNav and iPod integration is highway robbery! Sure there’s the $150 option of playing iPod via Bluebooth, but one can only flick through tracks and the sound can falter owing to interference. Otherwise, this is one mighty fine car.

  • Ricky

    I’ll stick with my i45 thanks. It has a 6-speed auto and direct injection – far more advanced than the Mazda. C’mon Mazda… stop talking about “SKY-G” and deliver. Hyundai (and Holden) have had this technology since last year. I’m driving it right now, and it’s great. 148 kW and 250 Nm – best in class power and torque. Oh, and it’s more fuel efficient than the Mazda6, has a bigger fuel tank, is less expensive, and has a better warranty. I’m also very surprised that the Mazda6 Luxury doesn’t have integrated indicators on the mirrors.

    • MazMagic

      1) i45 has wooden steering – you failed to mentioned that.

      2) i45 is no where near as fun to drive.

      3) They can give SKY-G now but then I bet some will be complaining how unreliable it is – Mazda definitely don’t want that

      4) Mazda6 Luxury DOES have indicators on light – except not in Australia!

      I have a Mazda6 any day. Even better, an SP25 (smaller car/large engine)!!!

      • Radster

        Spot on MazMagic. You’re right about the mazda3 SP25. Mate’s girlfriend has one and it really ups the ante. Golf is more refined though, but really they’re both great small cars.

      • Ricky

        Mazda won’t have SKY-G in the Mazda6 until 2013! Haha… 3 years off! Steering in i45 may not be as good as Mazda6 but it is certainly no worse than Camry or Accord (full-size) and these are good cars. Read US reviews of the new Sonata – very few mention any issues with steering.

    • Tim

      While the i45 does have the best figures, from what I’ve seen, there isn’t much power and torque at the lower end where you’ll spend most of your driving and isn’t as responsive.

      • Radster

        Agreed Tim. I actually think the Hyundai i45 is excellent in terms of features and value for money, but the lack of torque at the lower end is disappointing. Nevertheless, it has to be remembered this is the first release of a brand new model and it certainly shows great potential which I hope is realised in future releases. Good car, but not quite there yet even though it has the latest technology under the hood.

        • Ricky

          Hate to break the news to you but few modern 4 cylinder engines are tuned for low end torque. Most are tuned for fuel economy and to make flashy peak output figures (AHEM Accord Euro AHEM). Test drive the i45 for yourself – the performance is great, effortless, and much better than Accord Euro or any other Honda using the 2.4L VTEC engine (I can say this personally because I owned a previous car that had this same engine). Most 4 cylinders I have driven you are very aware of the engine size, in the i45 you almost forget that it’s only a 4 banger.

          • Radster

            Like I said, I’ve tested them all including the i45. Love the interior room and I’m impressed with all the gadgets, but what’s on paper doesn’t translate to dynamic engine performance. Go and test a VW Jetta or Skoda Octavia with technology that betters the Hyundai i45 and you’ll see how great performance and fuel economy are combined. Besides talking engine performance in isolation from the rest of the driving experience is non-sensical. Accord Euro and Mazda6 don’t have all the technological bells and whistles (they’re older too remember), but still are impressive all round vehicles to drive. The i45 delights in as many ways as it disappoints. Like I said before, do the research and go drive ALL the cars I’ve driven.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Um, you might want to get your facts straight Ricky. Mazda have had a DI engine available in Australia since 2005 and it is even more advanced than the DI engine in the i45. Even now there aren’t many engines of it’s capacity that have the power or the torque that this engine produces. It also made it to Ward’s top 10 engines 3 years in a row from when it was released. I am not saying the engine in the i45 is bad, but it is not the be-all and end all you make it out to be. Funnily enough I have heard quite a few reviews say that it is not the smoothest engine in it’s class nor the most economical. One even quoted NVH at idle was almost as bad as some diesels.

      Get yourself the latest wheels magazine with the road test of the Euro, Kizashi, 6 and i45. The i45 under the same test conditions as the other 3 ie REAL WORLD burnt the most fuel. It was 1.2L/100km worse than the next highest which was the Euro. On test the Mazda6 averaged 9.4L/100km whilst the i45 averaged 11.2L/100km. Now I am not the best at maths, but that to me goes against what you said about the i45 being more fuel efficient than the Mazda6, by quite a bit considering the Mazda has a larger engine that is supposedly so far behind the times and has 1 less gear ratio. Real world is a bit different to the ADR figure. They even stipulate that the ADR figure is only a guide. Needless to say the i45 came last…

      • Radster

        Got the review right in front of me Devil’s Advocate

        First Place: Honda Accord Euro
        Seconda Place: Mazda6
        Third Place: Suzuki Kizashi
        Fourth Place: Hyundai i45

        • Gan Tan

          Wheels had to place to place the Euro above the 6 to save face after crowning it ‘Car of The Year’ despite-

          i) Having the most pathetic rear leg room in its class
          ii) An engine that has to be revved hard to produce anything
          iii) No wagon or hatch options (far less useful sedan shape)
          iv) Nowhere near as fun as the 6 in handling stakes

          • Shak

            In all honesty i think if you read the whole review you will see that they had some sound reasons to corwn the Euro over the 6 again. C’mon the Mazda may be really good, but the Euro has a better quality interior, drives better, a better ride and MUCH less road noise. While i have not driven the new gen 6, i owned the last gen and on highways and coarse chip roads it was unbearable.

  • Radster

    Having the latest technology under the bonnet is one thing, but road tests indicate the Mazda6 is the superior of the two when it comes to onroad dynamics. Where the Mazda has solid mid-range torque and comparative flexibility the i45 produces next to nothing below 4000rpm. To be sure, the Hyundai i45 makes for great competition in the value stakes, but imprecise steering, rack rattle, a foot operated parking brake and goose neck boot hinges are far from modern technology.

    • Ricky

      The foot operated park brake is great, it frees up space in the middle and it’s far less effort pushing a pedal with your foot than awkwardly lifting and releasing a lever. As for the goose neck boot hinges – most cars have them. Go pick on the Kizashi or Accord for having them too. And the Mazda6 doesn’t even have push button start!! Talk about a lack of modern technology :D

      • Radster

        Convenient how you sidestep the all-important issue of onroad dynamics. It’s not just the Mazda6 that outdoes the Hyundai i45 – the Honda Accord Euro, Suzuki Kizashi, Ford Mondeo, Subaru Liberty, Skoda Octavia. All these rivals offer better onroad dynamics than the poor steering, undisciplined ride and wobbly body control present in the Hyundai i45. Go do some research and read the road tests; better still, go and drive all these cars like I did before you present a flawed argument.

        • Ricky

          I’ve driven the Euro – it’s underpowered. Very noticable difference in performance compared with i45. And from what I’ve read of Kizashi, it suffers from the same problem. I would much rather have a car that has good performance and handles average (certainly no worse than Camry or full-size Accord which you neglect to mention). Here in Melbourne, almost all roads are straight, so who cares anyway…

          • Radster

            “Here in Melbourne, almost all roads are straight, so who cares anyway …” A lot of people care because they don’t just drive along Melbourne streets. Ricky, all cars have their strengths and weaknesses and not everyone drives the same or under the same road conditions as you. Therefore, what you deem as positives in the i45 may very well be negatives to others. And I didn’t mention the full-size Accord beçause it’s not classed as a medium-sized car – it’s a large car. Are you saying a Hyundai i45 is no worse than a Camry in terms of handling and performance? So much for all the new technology you attribute to the i45 – it should be much better than a Camry given the fact it’s so new and the current Camry is based on 4 year old underpinnings.

          • The Oracle

            Ricky, the i45 is good value and well equipped and certainly better than the Sonata, but overall it is not the vehicle you try to make it out to be. I was going to list all of the flaws and ommissions from your comments on the i45 compared to the 6, but MazMagic, Radster and Devils Advocate and others have done such a comprehensive job. The only thing they have not mentioned is that the i45 is as ugly as a hat full. The Mazda 6 is a stylish and beautiful car with a cohesive and integrated design, whereas the i45 is a mish-mash of curves and creases that end up being overdone and messy.

            You fanboyz should take off the blinkers and be a little more objective.

      • Igomi Watabi

        PUSH BUTTON START – you’re joking, aren’t you? This pointless piece of frippery. It’s a big black-mark on any car.

  • http://ozmazda.com ozmazda

    Great job Mazda the 6 is a great car…and who wants an auto…..aussies are turning into lazy fat wannabee yanks…

    • Ricky

      Most people who buy manual in Australia do so only to save money. On inexpensive cars, a $2,000 price gap is quite large and people will “put up” with manual to save themselves 2 grand.

      • Hung Low

        Let you in on a secret Ricky, some people actually enjoy driving and having proper control of a car!

  • Arky

    The Mazda6 does beat the Camry in private sales, does it not? The Camry is just a fleet car these days, really.

    It is a shame the 6MPS is no longer with us from new, and low km examples are harder to find. An excellent mid-size sports sedan (and a real one, not just a “sporty” version of the regular model)- are there any others even on the market in this size range below the vastly more expensive German models?

    • Ricky

      Even counting just private sales, I believe the Camry would be ahead. Total sales YTD:

      Camry 15450
      Mazda6 5360

      So Camry private sales would need to be below about 33% (taking into consideration the small number of Mazda6 fleet sales), in order to beat Mazda6.

      • PaulV

        I seem to remember reading that the figure was somewhere in the 25% or less range. So basically once you take out the rental companies, the govt departments, the elderly, and the asian community with their gold badge ultima Grande amazinga versions, then no-one else buys a Camry.

    • ABMPSV

      Yes German cars are more expensive because we drive on the other side and Europe is a long way. Look in Germany the Japanese cars are expensive for the same reason. Mazda 6 manual in Germany is 30,490 Euro Audi A4 1.8 TFSI 29,900 Euro. Audi beats Mazda6 in nearly every test. Mazda6 is better only on 7kW more, 0.2 sec faster to 100 and 52mm longer. Everything else from top speed fuel economy Audi wins. I know this is Australia but I never say that EU cars expensive here it must be a reason just like Japanese cars in Europe.

  • eddie

    …125 kw from a 2.5l motor is very poor by todays standards..also, 5 stars out of 5 for looks..thats a perfect score..come on Car Advice, fast losing respect for this site..

  • john

    Hey have any of the experts thought that may be the real reason why the camry outsells the mazda is that there are australians out there who want to preserve an automotive manufacturing base in australia and will compromise in having a car with the best dynamics in order to drive an ‘australian’ made car.

    • Radster

      Interesting point Stig. I owned a VT Commodore for 8 years and a Holden UC Torana for 21 years. Always supported Aussie made until 2008. Why? Holden dealer service butchered my beloved VT. Less than two weeks after service it left me stranded in peak hour traffic with burst radiator hose and coolant flying everywhere. Then they had the cheek to try and charge me for repairs when it was towed to them. A week later no horn – hadn’t been reconnected during dealer service. Time to get a new car anyway, didn’t need a car the size of VE Commodore and certainly wasn’t going to risk Holden dealer service again. Would love to support the local industry, but it just doesn’t offer the product and after sales support suited to my current needs.

      • Radster

        Sorry Mate, meant to call you John. Apologies.

    • F1MotoGP

      I find Falcon and Commodore expensive. My nephew was here from Germany and he told me (I know this) he will pay for Audi A4, BMW 3 series, VW Passat..etc same price as I will for Falcon and Commodore. Australian car prices increased in the last 30 years 5.3% p.a.

      • ABMPSV

        Yes you are right. Checked Corolla up by 4.7% p.a. Golf 3.7% pa BMW320 4.1% pa..etc and in 30 years that 0.5 to 1% pa make a big difference.

      • Shak

        So that means he will pay around 20, 000 euro for an Audi A4, because an Omega and an XT will cost us 40K, which is about 20K Euro. That just cant be true.

  • satisfied driver

    “But if you’ve got a pulse, if you don’t wear gloves or a cardigan, and you actually enjoy your driving”

    Driver enjoyment is all in the mind and entirely subjective. Every car has its own set of characteristics and feedback to the driver. Satisfaction comes from understanding those characteristics unique to each car so the car does your bidding, and therefore performs to your expectations at all times.

    You might get a momentary increase in enjoyment when you drive a car with better dynamics than you are used to, because suddenly the parameters available to you have widened. All of a sudden you realize you are able to do a little bit more or feel better feedback. But the rules of the game doesn’t have to be this way.

    Every drive is about managing a complex set of forces, if you make this the focus then you will find driving enjoyment no matter the car you are in. A Camry might not be the best handler, but what if you are able to drive it really well within its more modest limitations? Is that not mastery? Are you not allow to be satisfied if that were the case? Do you have to be in a ‘zoom zoom’ car?

    If that was not the case, then perhaps back in the days of cross-ply tyres no one could claim to be a driving enthusiast. Do bear in mind even the modern day Camry has vastly superior dynamics to any mainstream car of 20 years ago.

    Be content with what you have, and you shall find driving enjoyment.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      I have another way of looking at it satisfied driver. What about “active” safety? Wouldn’t it be much better to avoid an accident in the first place and not have to rely on all those airbags and crumple zones etc? Having good dynamics can mean the difference between hitting that object/obstruction or not hitting it.

      I remember back in the mid 2000s when a car magazine first held their active safety test on the top 20 selling cars on the market. It involved things like emergency lane changes, slalom, emergency braking, “overtaking acceleration” as well as skid pan work with tests that highlight how much grip the car has as well as how stable it is with abrupt direction changes. All this was done both wet and dry. As a benchmark they also had an E46 BMW 330Ci coupe (a car renowned for great handling etc) to see how more mainstream cars compare. Interestingly the previous model Mazda6 Classic won convincingly and even out-performed the BMW in all tests that involved handling ie. higher G on the skid pan, higher speeds through the slalom/lane change etc etc. IIRC it even stopped from 100km/hr in a shorter distance.

      Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying the Mazda6 is better than a BMW (I used to have a BMW 3 series coupe and it was the best car I have every owned), I am just highlighting that good dynamics provide more than just a ‘good feeling’ and also that when it comes to dynamics, the Mazda6 is up there with the best. Whilst people may not drive a car anywhere near it’s handling limits in every day driving, I know I would prefer to have a car with the ability to perform well at the handling limit if my life depended on it…

      • Homer

        Hi Devil. Remember that article well, had a 6 at that time and “justified” my sage purchase! However, the whole test was flawed as the vehicles had vastly different quality tyres with unspecified levels of wear. Asked Wheels what would have been the changes had the Forester, which performed poorly, had the Mazda 6 tyres fitted. No reply….
        They go to so much trouble to produce all this information but the result is BS because the most important aspect (get it!) is the tyres, which can easily be changed by the owners. Use a control tyre and then the whole thing has credibility.

        • Devil’s Advocate

          Fair and valid point there Homer as tyres can make a huge difference, however with such a variety of cars in that line up the chance of getting the same tyre for all the cars would be impossible. IMHO the test was as fair as you could get given the goals/intention of the test.
          Why do I say this? The cars all had the tyres specified and fitted by the manufacturer ie, this is how they came out of the factory and are how the majority of buyers would have them configured tyre-wise for the first few years until it comes time for a new set. Specifying a specific type/brand of tyre fitment to a new car is the exception rather than the rule. I would also hazard a guess that quite a few people who buy these cars would just buy the same tyre when it comes time to replace them, either that or the cheapest rubbish they could find! Also don’t forget that the suspension/ABS/ESC etc is tuned to suit the OEM rubber.

          Don’t get me wrong, I fully understand what you are getting at and agree it is the only way to get a true and honest comparison between the cars from a technical/engineering standpoint. However not everyone are enthusiasts or look into things as technically as we do so they have to demonstrate these things to the lowest common denominator/worst case scenario. Basically they were testing the cars how it would normally be presented to the general public by the manufacturer warts and all and to me that sounds fair, not technically correct, but fair, reasonable and understandable. Just ask Mazda how you can get it wrong by supplying ordinary tyres from the factory as it basically cost them a WCOTY award with the Mazda2!

        • Devil’s Advocate

          Sorry, forgot to mention, the Mazda6 may have beaten the BMW even more with equal tyres considering the 6 had narrower, run of the mill Dunlops compared the the wider, stickier Continental Sport Contacts on the Bimmer! ;-)

  • Tomas79

    What an ugly looking car!!
    Looks like camry with stretched lights!!
    I bet majority of the people on here praising it’s looks are ford fanboys!!

    • The Oracle

      Tomas mate, it’s a Mazda, not a Ford.

      • Tomas79

        Wow, aren’t you the bright one…
        But Ford partialy owns Mazda, and has been in long term partnership with it!!

        • The Oracle

          Tomas, Ford’s equity in Mazda is minimal nowadays. They used to own a controlling interest but sold most of it due to the GFC and now are a minor shareholder.

          Your comment regarding the Mazda 6 and Ford are still irrelevant. There are minimal commonality between the 6 and any Ford, including the engine. It’s not like the 626 and Telstar models, they’ve moved on since then.

          Since you’ve mentioned, I have to agree. Yes, I am obviously the bright one

    • Hung Low

      Typing in your sleep again Tomas?

  • sandy stone

    When i still played bowls , the mazda was the favorite of the members .

    Sadly now at the nursing home here with my friend camry lover we spend our days scooting about in our camry’s .

    But wait a new new boy has arrived the I45 , with built in wooden steering , squishy suspension and handling just like the caddy’s in the condo’s in miami .

    There is movement camry’s days are over .

    • sandy stone

      The ES 300 was another favourite at the local bowls club, driven by the more wealthy and sheepish clientele.

      Sadly, ES 300 owners have realised that the ES is a rebadged Camry and have been flocking to the Hyundai i45, which retains the ES’s prized characteristics of wooden steering and back-pain alleviating suspension.

  • Anthony

    My favorite 2 cars in this segment are the Volkswagen Jetta and Honda Accord Euro.
    I have owned them both,and both have been brilliant cars.

  • Falcodore

    I would now like to see a review of the diesel version of this car and how it compares as it is the one i would consider buying.

    Don’t care that its manual only as i like to DRIVE my car rather than mindlessly commute everywhere.

  • gavjon

    I had the last of the V6 hatch’s back in about 95 or so. That was the best of the Mazda’s….back then it was a 626. My god, it had zoom zoom…..None since have had the same guts. BRING IT BACK MAZDA

    • Falcodore

      My sister had one of those gavjon. It was a fantastic car! So quiet.

      I remember my BIL (brother in law) driving into town (gosford) along the old pacific hwy at Peats Ridge when he asked me how fast i thought we were going. Naturally i guessed higher than what i was thinking so said 160, he said “have a look”. We were doing 200! He then mentioned he had more pedal left and asked if i wanted to go faster. The car was 3 days old at the time. It copped a lot of abuse and never missed a beat.

      NVH was almost non-existent (spelling?) in that car. To this day one of the best cars i have ever driven.

      • nickdl

        Well Mazda have obviously taken a step back with NVH in the 6 if what you say is true.

  • Matthew

    I have to say those alloys look just awful! Other than that its a great looking car.

  • Sumodog

    You might as well read manufacturers brochures …

  • Save it for the track

    Not to pick nits, but to the person who mentioned Jetta and Octavia, the VW Jetta has the 1.4L 118kW supercharged & turbocharged motor. The Skoda has the 1.8L 118kW turbocharged motor. The skoda has 250Nm and the Jetta 240Nm, both with similar torque spreads.
    .
    If I was in the market I would probably go Skoda Octavia RS as well, as I also tend not to worry about resale and hang onto cars for a long time. What I’ll probably do though is buy a secondhand octavia in a couple of years, so by then I will know if there are any lingering issues, and the first owner will have taken the depreciation bath.

  • http://www.autotraderuae.com Dubai Used Cars

    The Mazda 6 is powered by one of two engines — a 2.5-liter four-cylinder generating 170 horsepower and 167 pound-feet of torque or a 3.7-liter V6 that cranks out 272 hp and 269 lb-ft. The four is paired with either a six-speed manual transmission or a five-speed automatic, while the V6 is only available with a six-speed automatic.

  • Save it for the track

    In Australia (which is where this website is based, and the cars reviewed are for the Aus market), the Mazda6 has two engines. The 2.5 litre four cylinder petrol making 125kW, 226Nm. and the 2.2 litre four cylinder diesel making 136kW(136 in this car advice review and 132 on mazda website), 400Nm. NO v6 in mazda6 in Australia.
    .
    Five speed auto available in the petrol, and six speed manual in the petrol, and the only transmission for the diesel. (which seems to be a Japanese weakness at the moment. Subaru/mazda no autos in their diesel’s)

  • CJ

    Just done 3775kms in two weeks in my 6 Classic Wagon, 3 up with luggage. What a car. Travelled from Brisvegas to Dubbo, then Blue Mtns, Sydney, Canberra, then back up the coast. Average fuel, 750kms per tank, fully loaded. Got out at each stop fresh as a daisy. Best car I have ever owned (Accord Euro and Outback included).

  • Blokie

    love these Mazdas.