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Oh what a feeling – rear-drive performance Camry

By George Skentzos |

It seems Toyota has acknowledged consumer demands and produced a rear-wheel drive high performance version of the Camry – with a twist.

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Alas this  Camry-sourced drag car, which can reach speeds of up to 354km/h and covers the 0-100km/h sprint in under a second has little in common with the  roadgoing car of the same name.

The Camry drag car is the quickest in its class in Australia and will tackle the quarter-mile in less than 6.5 seconds thanks to its 3.2-litre 1342kW inline six-cylinder Toyota 2JZ turbocharged engine.

Queensland-based driver Tony Wedlock admits he is overawed by the performance of the Camry.

He describes it as an “absolute animal of a car” – not a phrase one often hears from Camry drivers.

Now if they could only make it street legal…


 

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  • http://www.importjap.com/blo ImportJap

    Now there’s a TRD.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    This is just a race-bred drag car. It doesn’t reflect on any road Camrys that you buy at the Toyota dealer.

  • Toyota Paul

    Should have made it FWD haha. 3.2L getting 1300kw… what those HSV and FPVs get again? LOL

    • Frostie

      You cant compare a tuned engine to a stock engine.

      FPV F6 has an Inline-6, the same as a 2JZ. A stock 2JZ has a regulated 280 HP.

      You can upgrade your Barra with a Nizpro stage 5 + kit and get 1200 + HP.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    I think you’re missing the humour of the article there Going Ford.

  • Toyota Paul

    Hahah Going Ford straight onto the defence. Although this vehicle obviously has alot of work done to it. guess what, the 2JZ is the engine you see in street legal Toyotas! Do you see the V8 supcar engines in your HSV or FPV? NO! From this perspective I find your comment funny.

  • Toyota Paul

    Oh and mind you have a look around YouTtube, you will find many Supras with this 2JZ, street legal… that do the quarter mile in 8s!! This article might be a joke at Toyotas expense, but I think to the contrary when you put it in perspective it shows how great their engines actually are, they dont need to change engines in racing applications.

  • arsenalroc

    haha would be brilliant.. but just try and imagin trying to reverse park in this….:P:P

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Supras are nothing to do with Toyota in Australia Paul, because they not on the market anymore.

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    Oh Paul idiot/loner. You say Going Ford is in defence, you the only one who trys to defend Toyota and makes a fool of your self.

  • http://grandjdm.com van

    Question: Could this drag car be perceived as a bit of an insult to longtime Toyota fans? Hungering for a genuine performance car from Toyota like the days of old (some of you might argue that the TRD Aurion fills that category suitably, I don’t know), they’re forced to watch Toyota pulling out things like this, as if somehow someone’s gonna say “Wow, Toyotas are awesome, I’m totally gonna get a Camry now!”.

    Alternatively, could this be Toyota Australia’s way of demonstrating/pleading to Japan HQ the need/desire for a RWD Toyota of some descrupshun here in the west?

    Sure, it’s probably just a bit of fun and a means to get a bit more exposure for the TRD brand, but really, as I said above, what good exposure is a RWD drag car—with little from an actual Camry—going to give them? One might say it’s a sign of their engineering ability, but fuck, if it’s just going into a big FWD saloon, how much use is it?

  • Toyota Paul

    Ive highlighted previously but you obviously have a thick skull, I am reactionary while you Ford faries are proactive in your attacks. Here, Going Ford has come in and essentialyl had a go at Toyota as usual… now Im highlighting the irony, vehicles such as the Supra (You say its older… so an older engine performs well, your point!? LOL) are just as fast and these are production vehicles… with the same engine this race car has. Meanwhile HSV and PFV need new engines from their 6L and 5.4L production vairatns to race in V8 supercars which had in comparison to this vehicle and even modded Supras on the streets a pitiful amount of power and acceleration.

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    Paul you are #1 D-HEAD EVER BEEN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND A HOLLOW SKULL WHO KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPROOKING ON ABOUT TOYMOTOR **** BEEN RELIABLE! YOU HAVE THE BEHAVUOR OF A 10 YEAR OLD THATS JUST BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY DUMBARSE PARENTS. NO, MAYBEY FROM A MENTAL WARD, HEY?

    P.S. Had to say it again because you still don’t get the message.

  • Ross.

    Once again Paul, you are misguided. The V8 Supercar series still uses the old LOWER TECH 5L V8s for parity purposes as all the groundwork is already done, and it keeps the costs down for the teams! It would all get too hard to keep a competitive series with the 5.4L & 6.0L engines from Ford and Holden respectively.

    LOL, and Paul, I can guarantee that the only thing this drag camry shares with a normal 2JZ is the block!! You must be really silly if you think otherwise!! ha ha

    And if I recall correctly there

  • Toyota Paul

    Yes Im the child… sometimes the truth hurts mate, but it looks like not only is Toyota more reliable but they design better engines. Power per L:

    Ford : 55.5kw per L
    Toyota : 406kw per L

    Hahahahaha

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    Finaly admited that Toyotas not that good after all!

  • Toyota Paul

    Ross…

    1. You got any sources for those V8 supercar claims? (Im nitpicking now)
    2. It is a joke in relation to this drag car… but as I said modded Supras are nearly as quick, are street legal and have the same engine.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Gee. Seems like a white pointer shark attack on him. Either that or paranha fish – any carcass left……….LOL

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, you said the V8 supercars are 5.4L & 6.0L, they not related to those engines, they around 5.0L. The engines used in V8s are developed by there teams e.g. Stone Brothers e.t.c.

  • Toyota Paul

    Where did I say that Going Ford? Ross you going to pick him up on that misquoting? I said that the FPV and HSVs use those engines, but V8 supercars dont. Meanwhile the 2JZ, an engine used in production Toyotas in the past, is used in this case for racing.

  • Ross

    Umm Paul, you obviously do not ever watch the V8 Supercar series on Tv do you?

    It is mentioned time and time again by the commentators…

    In fact the whole reason for the 5L engine with regards to cost containment and parity was even the subject of an entire 1 hour show on V8 Superstars!

    (Btw Paul, I think you missed my post to you in the Corolla Supercharged thread.. it was awaiting moderation :) )

  • http://www.importjap.com/blo ImportJap

    I believe Ford and Holden both use cast-iron 5L blocks (part of the rules). I’ll need to double check that.

    They put out anywhere in the region of 620HP I think it was.

    Clearly that Camry’s a drag car though, you wouldn’t build a V8 supercar with that much power, as it would be impossible to get round the track.

  • Toyota Paul

    Geez the commentators, who’s jobs rely on V8 supercars, spin up something about fairness. I think its because they know their production engines are shyte, look at the LS’ for example; piston slapping, oil guzzling engine mount ripping engine with 300kw, how you think it will go when you whack another 150kw onto it and thrash the crap out of it!

  • Ross

    Are you joking Paul????

    I sincerely hope so!! It has nothing to do with the reliability of the LS1! It’s the LS1 CRATE motors that are at fault woth piston slap etc etc! Not the LS1 design itself!

    The ONLY reasons for using the 5L are for cost containment and parity!!

    You cannot argue on this point! It has been known for years and years the reason they stick to the old 5L engine!!

  • Ross

    In case you don’t understand what I mean about saying “it’s the LS1 crate motors that are at fault”, I am saying that the crate motors are built using average quality bits and pieces. If an LS1 was blueprinted and built from the word go, it would NOT have piston slap and oil consumption as the clearances would all be perfect. pisons would be coated, correct type of compression / oil control rings, etc etc.

  • Toyota Paul

    Excuses Excuses Excuses… in terms of the LS’

  • Ross

    Paul, see this is a classic exampe of you going off on a tangent discussing something totally unrelated to the topic at hand as I’ve commented on many times before!

    We were discussing the reasons for why the V8 supercar series uses the old 5L engine, and you have turned it into a LS1 bashing exercise. I dislike the LS1 as much as you do, but for god’s sake, you have to at least look at things rationally and not just through your Toyota coloured glasses!

    The TOPIC AT HAND is… REASONS FOR 5L ENGINE IN V8 SUPERCAR SERIES.

    And the answer IRREFUTABLY is for cost containment so that the smaller teams do not get financially disadvantaged, and also for parity reason! It’s a lot easier to match a 5L to a 5L in terms of output and power delivery characteristics!

  • Andrew

    Paul, you’re embarrasing other toyota inclined people such as myself.

    This is a drag car. This car runs off nitrous, it can barely turn, it probably can’t reverse, and it has a turbo (actualy 2 probably).

    Comparing this car to v8 supercars is for the above reasons pointless.

  • Toyota Paul

    Ross you talk about tangets my original comments were about the Toyota engines with a passing reference to the V8 supercars, dont be a hypocrite, arguments to progress.

    Dont patronise me Andrew, if your had bothered to read more of what Ive said I acknowledge this vehicle is highly strung (no shyte it runs on nitrous) but the point was they use the 2JZ as a basis, an example along with the many modified Supras going about showing that Toyota can do performance… the thing that the creator of this article is essentially having a go at Toyota for.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul you said…
    “Meanwhile HSV and PFV need new engines from their 6L and 5.4L production vairatns to race in V8 supercars”

  • Toyota Paul

    Ross Im not going to argue with you… you provide no evidence backing up what you say, just heresay… ‘they say its for costs etc’. If it was what I saw, a crappy engine… just hypotehtically here for a second, do you think theyd advertise it? No. Relating to the original topic and not going on a tangent like yourself, this drag car is an example of a production engine used in SOME capacity in a race car, something that FPV and HSV dont do no doubt because their engines are POS

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul comparing V8 Supercars to drag? Can’t compare them.

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford yes “from their”… meaning they use the 5L rather then their respective 5.4L and 6L engines… not that they use these engines in V8 supercars, even I know this much.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul listen mate, Your P.O.S!

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford the power comparison is called a JOKE… its beyond you.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, the way you go on is a joke.

  • Ross

    Paul how about you stop being a liar hey?

    When you compared the 2JZ motor to a V8 Supercar/HSV/FPV motor and commented on the latter three’s (and I quote “pitiful amount of power and acceleration.”), you were not just making a ‘passing reference’ as you put it!

    You were making a DIRECT COMPARISON!! Geez! At least own up to what you have written just 5 post earlier!

  • Toyota Paul

    Im going now, I will be back to reply… I thought Id tell everyone going to prevent this BS ‘Oh he has left the argument’. I will be back, dont worry about that.

  • Toyota Paul

    Your misquoting Ross, please stop misquoting… thats not the context I put it in. Will reply to rest later.

  • Ross

    Paul, that’s right, you aren’t going to argue with me becuase you obviously dont watch teh V8 Supercar series, and you obviously don’t know the sport at any technical level at all.

    It is NOT HERESAY, it has been said by many commentators in passing discussions.

    As I said, they even dedicated an entire show of V8 Superstars (it’s a show run by the V8 Supercar body in case you don’t know!) dedicating an entire 1 hour show to this exact issue of the 5L and when/how to switch over!

    You really are an embarrassment LOL! Heresay!! The actual governing body of the sport discusses it on national TV, but Toyota Paul knows better and says it’s heresay!! hahaha

    At least argue with some dignity Paul. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper into this one!! LOL

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    This car is TURBOCHARGED! V8 Supercars are NOT TURBOCHARGED. And this is a DRAG car, V8 Supercars are TOURERING cars, NOT DRAG CARS. Two different classes that don’t compare each other.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “Im going now, I will be back to reply… I thought Id tell everyone going to prevent this BS ‘Oh he has left the argument’. I will be back, dont worry about that.”

    Who the **** are you talking to Paul? Your self, retard! :P

  • Bret

    Paul
    The 5L rule dates back to the very inception of “V8 Supercars” , when Falcons & Commodores were sold with 5L V8 engines. The race engines were developments of the production engines. To contain potentially spiralling engine development costs, for the race teams, the organisers have maintained the formula. This has resulted in a stability for the series. This has absolutely no implications of the suitability of the current production engines for racing development.

    BTW the original formula was basically:
    Australian produced, 4 door sedan, 5L V8, min 25000 sold.

  • Ross

    No Paul, it was a direct quote.. not a misquote if you bother to open your eyes.

    I purposely wrote “and I quote” and you STILL whinge!! LOL! I CUT AND PASTED YOUR TEXT!! haha

    Why do you argue for the sake of arguing?? Just admit you are wrong, and move on. It’s not so hard you know!

    You are clearly wrong, have clearly written rubbish (I.e. “Your misquoting Ross”, when all I did was a COPY AND PASTE of YOUR text!)

    Come on Paul – give it up mate… really… you are just embarrassing yourself more and more…

  • Andrew M

    paul does a current camry use the 2JZ engine in question? so whats the difference to V* supercars not using 6.0l and 5.4L?

    Ross is dead right on everything he has said about them using the 5.0L and why they do!!!!!
    dont forget holdens and fords use to use 5.0L V8′s in their production vehicles however the road going versions moved on (as most manufacturers do) but V8 super cars kept the 5.0L for the ease of parity and costs just as Ross said.
    Its not just engines that are restricted for cost reasons it goes right through to the rattle guns that they use to change the wheels.

    i wouldnt be surprised if its actually a Lexus chassis too

  • Andrew M

    one piston in this motor would be worth more than an entire camry more than likely.
    this would be far from what you would pull out of a supra

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    F*** you TOYOTA PAUL, you diss’n the most popular motor sport in Australia. You have a gay screen name, idiot!

  • Andrew

    I think everyone can agree that this is an impressive drag car.

    But at the same time I don’t see how it bears any weight in any debate between GM/Ford/Toyota. You can make a insanely powerful car using pretty much anything. I’ve read of LS1 engines producing 2000hp but I bet you very little of the engine has any common components to a stock one.

    And another thing, please noone use HEARSAY in the debate cause this is not a court and if you applied the legal doctrine strictly every comment on website is hearsay.

  • Andrew M

    ^^^^^^^
    thats right an LS1 with the same treatment would tear shreads out of this thing.

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha
    its Left hand drive too!!!
    yep it has to be a lexus chassis for sure.

    i actually doubt it is a camry

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    It’s top speed is only 354km/h, not much for a drag car. Andrew, great point! Do the same thing to a V8 and this would be a gutless wonder.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I bet when Paul comes back, he’ll talk BS again.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ross the techno guru is here,cool!!! I have a feeling Ross knows what he is talking about!

    I would think the block alone after it has been sleeved and deburred would cost more than a bloody Camry hahaha,what do you think Ross! This is a drag engine Ross is right has nothing to do with V8 Supercars! This has been built to run twice down the quarter then to have a rebuild! I doubt you would do a lap of Bathurst in it before it gave way! Hubby is the expert on drag and is on a plane to kick some Asian arse so I cant ask him what he thinks of this combo!
    What I do know is there is a crowd that I have mentioned before on Caradvice that are modifying the Fords current I6 to 370 + kilowatts and shipping them in modified Typhoons to the UK! .The same crowd though it would be fun to make INXS of 1000 kws in a STREET CAR with the same engine! I doubt if that has to be rebuilt in 1/2 a mile!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Yes, even the Ford Barra I6 tuned up enough whould still be as fast as this TuRD drag car.

  • woz

    Geeeez Paul, your coping it today, tonight, yesterday the day before that, etc etc..you may need to find a like minded Toyota lover to sprinkle the salt on some of those open wounds, I recommend nature’s own sea salt….
    “OH WHAT A **** UP”

  • Andrew

    Now now, the article does state that this dragster is the fastest in its class so I think bagging Toyota is going a bit far.

    Hopefully the same executives who gave this project the go ahead continue the trend and make the Toyota FT-HS concept a reality cause that thing would throw Toyota right back in the performance market.

  • Ross

    Hehe hey BM!

    I am here… but I’m off from work now! (So I’m not here anymore!)

    Have a good weekend everyone!!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, as Andrew said “this is not the fastest dragster in it’s class” I don’t know what your on about Paul.

  • Andrew

    nah it is though going ford :P

  • bob

    I have never seen so many post.. over a camry… That said and done…. TRD RWD Camry? Unlikely I say, I’d rather have the TRD Corolla.

  • golfschwein

    SENSATIONAL!!!

    The arguing, I mean, not the car. I’m trotting off to see how amusing the HSV to Middle East blog is.

  • golfschwein

    Damned funny, as predicted. My eyes stream with laughter every time I see that Extremely Sophisticated Holdenwoo joke!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Frosty Qulified 1st in Bahrain, but it’s yet to change.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    golfschwein, it maybey funny for you, but that tosser Paul is trying to be a hero single keybord warrior, but he won’t win.

  • Flying High

    Now we are talking!!!!! :-) Thats the go Toyota. Bring it on

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL…comparing V8 Supercars to Drag Racers. Gee you are coping it on this one like the comments before. Gee all that success and hoopla you go on with about Toyota and where are they on racing car circuit. What will you say next Daihatsu (Toyota owned) will enter V8 Supercars due to skills they discover on making Sirion GTVi….LOL

  • Andrew M

    paul is sleeping right now so he can be wide awake to watch the V8′s tonight ha ha ha ha ha
    yeah right…..he might learn something about the category…………. no wait he already knows all about??

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    LOL Naughtyius Maximus! As someone pointed out, this drag car is not the fastest in it’s class and I pointed out the V8supercars are not turbocharged. Andrew M, When PAUL sees the V8s, he might think different! hey?

  • Benjie

    At least it won’t torque steer hideously like the TRD Aurion does!!

  • Azza

    Paul… Lets make it completely fair.

    Supra’s can’t put out that much power when they’re stock can they? When they’re done up, maybe they can. But if the Supra’s can be done up, lets say the F6 Typhoon can be done up too. We’ll start the Typhoon off like a stock Supra… by putting Twin Turbo’s in it. Hey! Look at that! You wouldn’t need any more then that and the Typhoon has already beaten the done up Supra. You manage to say that this article is just a joke on Toyota’s behalf, yet your getting just as, if not, more defencive then what you do normally. Just give up, power wise, anything Toyota can do, Ford can do and better it.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hahahahaha ………Could you you imagine that if it did! Oww
    ,you seen the size of those steering wheels,it would take your arm off I reckon if it did!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Too right Azza, F6 has a bigger motor, so if you do the same thing to it as the Supra, the F6 will be faster.

    Toyota Paul punk wanker wants us just to like toyota, why? Ford can be fast too and that little prick just went againts V8 Supercars, what an arsehole, V8s are the most popular motor sport series in Australia, so he might as well say both NRL and AFL suck then.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Holden V Ford in touring cars – go against that grain and it is un-Australian.

    Dont raise NRL and AFL as he will comment about Superbowl or Hurling………………LOL

  • Alien

    Azza mate, have you ‘exeperienced’ 2jz goodness? Like actually driven one?

    I mean you have ‘got’ to be joking me with the whole Ford can do it better. 2jz = 3L , so that typhoon is 1L more already. Does the typhoon engine come with forged internals? last I checked the 2jz can go a good 5-600hp on stock internals before it even needs to be opened. The typhoon isn’t stock either, the number of times that engine has been done up (cobra edition, blah edition etc) just more tweaks, so don’t even try calling it a stock motor.

  • Alien

    and you fellas that keep bringing up this oh not Australian, not Australian, mate go discuss that in politics keep it to cars here.

  • Andrew M

    alien, the typhoon motor and cobra motor arent the same.

    now i ask you….
    have you ever experienced an f6 or driven an f6 cause you dont even know what it is on paper

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    We are as fact is cars that race in Australian Touring Car series is HOLDEN and FORD. Is there any other cars that actually race???? ALIEN YOUR OUT THERE if you think we have left any car out of these races!

  • Ross

    Alien, just for your reference there are many Typhoons putting out 350rwkw without the engine being touched at ALL. That equates to 500rwhp! (I.e. Much more than 500HP @ the flywheel).

    If you need to confirm what I am saying you can call C&V Performance, Xtreme Ford Tuning, or KPM Motorsport (or many others). If you would like more references you wish to contact, please let me know.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Alien, the Cobra was tuned up in the FPV plant so it is stock. If it’s not stock, it’s been tuned-up after market.

  • Ross

    Oops – 350rwkws equates to 470rwhp – thats still well over 500HP @ the flywheel.

  • Ross

    And mind you, there are some who are game who are putting out 400rwks on stock Typhoon internals (536rwhp).

    Again, you can check with any of the above tuners I listed for what I just said.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Guys come on poor Alien, lets no alienate alien even if his comments are out there….it is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge cosmos

  • Alien

    Ross for your reference my cousin drives an 800hp 2jz (but that was rebuilt), however a few of the friends drive ones with basic bolt ons and are getting similar if not much more than what you’ve quoted.

    Millennium Motorsports, Boostedextremes, 101Auto, Option1 or a fair few others if you wish to contact as well (Y)

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    What about NIZPRO, they tuned a Ford I6 to 1000hp.

  • Andrew M

    also alien are you saying this motor wouldnt have been opened?
    the other guys are saying it would be easier to get a typhoon to this level hence the typhoon would need to be opened and so would this toyota motor.

    thats right Ross,
    ive heard 300kw out of a XR turbo with 240kw standard is a piece of piss so 350 out of the phoon….. yep id say no worries too.
    there are plenty of shops around that do upgrades on the turbo 6′s from ford and it is so easy to extract more out of them.

    just out of interest Alien what boost does the 2jz run stock?

  • Ross

    Well Alien, if you want to get techincal I know a guy who has Nizpros 1000HP XR6T done by Nizpro (he is in Sydney).

    Initially was at 1200HP, but detuned to 1000HP :P

  • Alien

    If we’re going to bring in all these figures – how about the 650hp awd Corolla that Fensports put together (Uk however :P )
    or Kean Wang’s Version 2 Supra of Boost logic Motorsports. It runs 7.77@ 183.

    Needless to say both are fairly ‘up’ there , but I wouldn’t be boldly just saying that Ford does it better, thats just ignorance right there.

  • Alien

    its runs 8psi stock… nothing fancy.

  • Ross

    I agree.. looking at modded cars is just a matter of who has deeper pockets!

    Not too much point really! (Only useful for sub 10k mods I think)

  • Bavarian Missile

    Gee its like tea time at my house before my son left home?

    Ricers vs V8s…….

    The Phoon is real cheap horsepower for the few mods you have to make those exra few kws…..unlike any of the ricers that have a lot more than just engine mods to get them moving .

    The drive train on the Phoons now is real good !!

  • Alien

    ricer = someone doing up aesthetics or full sick subwoofahs …

    doesn’t involve mechanical related mods BM ..

    I wonder who’d win the debate if your son had a Jap sports car that would give yours a decent run. Unless you’re saying all he does is really rice them up aswell?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thats the guys I couldn’t recall there names…..NIZPRO…

    Yep and its street registered ,the guy that owns it is no spring chicken so it must be half decent to drive still..hahaha

    Hey Ross most of the time its who has the most money wins!

    Unless your a motor mechanic by trade own your own workshop and get everything at trade price,oh that sounds familiar!!hehehe

  • Bavarian Missile

    He does do mech mods Alien ,but the point is he would never beat his Dad with any of his cars even if he bought something to try nailing what we currently have,Dad would always build something faster! Hes never going to win! Hes given up even trying to impress us with ricer stories…….we always have a better one ! Door slammers…..do they do those in 4 cylinders? Could you imagine Victor Bray in a Camry???hahaha

  • Shane

    Paul…Never in my browsing on this site have I seen such a narrow sighted idiot. Firstly, I will agree with you in that Toyota are known for their reliability and credit to them. Secondly, Ford and GM (Ford Aus and Holden) have both world class engines that are admired globally on the road, race track and drag strips. Toyota Aus have only just started doing what Ford and Holden have been doing for decades in making performance driven vehicles and good on them. But…they are no where near the level of FPV or HSV and won’t be for a long time if ever. Toyota Aus have stated they are not competing with HSV or FPV. It appears when ever there is a story on Toyota you narrow your vision to “Toyota rules and all other cars are S**T”. Very childish. I am a Ford man but as a car lover I respect all kinds and makes as they come. Oh and maybe you should start reading the “Toyota sliding in reliability” stories…which is what my in laws have found with their 2006 Prado…

  • Shane

    Oh…and while I am at it and its Friday night, a couple of beers down…That camry drag car looks like every other Toyota…SOFT…It still does NOT look aggressive along with the Aurion and Aurion TRD. The TRD Hilux at the Sydney motor show…MAJOR dissapointment. On a technical note that drag car is not running a stock production motor 2JZ motor like this Paul is trying to make out…HEAVILY WORKED…Believe me as my uncke has just finished a 7 second HQ…NATURALLY ASPIRATED…I will say no more

  • Alien

    Personally I think everyone needs to calm down here –
    (yes note to self too)

    I guess we’re all going to have our own views and ofcourse you can’t just expect each to believe in exactly what you do. I think it should be given a rest in terms of saying one is shit or crap etc to the other. More so a better and logical debate would be healthier as to exactly what makes one different to the other (specs etc, real life drive and cars that we’ve actually driven or experienced ourselves).

    Enjoy the weekend, safe driving :P !

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Winterbottom just won race one. Paul ‘wanker’ has realy shut-up now!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Not your area is it Paul, no comment back! :P How dare you diss the V8 Supercars, arsehole!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    LOL Toyota Paul, F***ing Looser! :P

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Channel Seven, SHAME ON YOU FOR DELAYING THE V8 SUPERCAR TELICAST BY AROUND AN HOUR AFTER IT FINISHED!

    There is a replay been showin on channel now, lucky I checked Bigpond’s “live-and-on-demand”. The good news is, Frosty won. Bad news that Tander has overtaken Whincup in the Championship points.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Top Gear on tonight 7.30 SBS!

    V8s on at 10.30 tonight!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    BM…Top Gear is a top show – could you imagine Americans making that show. Bloody poms great especially at comedies. Gee I still remember one line of Blackadder that is funny as. Only comedy show I love from USA is Seinfeld. Sometimes I think there are many Kramers and Newmans on here but CARADVICE is a bloody top website nevertheless!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Yep Trick my Truck is along way from Top Gear….I think after the boys visiting the US they have been banned from returning.Not that I think Jeremy wants too! When we were there recently I couldn’t find any of Jeremy’s books at the Airport newsagent’s to read on the way home! I think hes been totally alienated from the states . They don’t get British humor I think! Us as colonials do cause we can laugh at ourselves!

  • Andrew M

    going ford,
    if you ever tell the results on here before the telecast again i will head but my screen aimed at you.
    you are lucky i logged off here before you gave the result.

    nothing worse than staying up till 1am watching something that you know the result of.

  • Pat E

    Yawn! mega power 2JZ’s have been running around for ever, 300rwkw street driven XR6 Turbo’s are common place now, and you can buy off the shelf twin turbo kits for the LS1 & LS2 to make well over 350rwkw. The article was funny, but it didn’t deserve this much crap! How did V8 supercars get thrown into the mix, might as well say a Top Fuel drag car has something to do with a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air!

  • Bavarian Missile

    When??????

    You want to meet at the Seinfeld coffee shop? hahaha

  • Ross

    Speaking of Seinfeld, I saw him in Las Vegas last year! He was great!!

    I also saw David Copperfield.. he too was waaaay better than I expected!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Gee Ross, my loss. How long did he go for and how much to go see the legend? Now was he just great or real great? Cant blame me for asking!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Pat E, that was because of that arsehole Toyota Paul was diss’n the most popular form of motor sport in Australia.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I hope We shut Toyota Paul up for good now. Thanks to him, I hate Toyota now more than ever. TOYOTA SUX – because Toyota Paul made me think they suck now! …Thank you Paul!

    Andrew M, I’ll try not spoil it for you. That was lucky you got off, so I won’t do that again.

  • Andrew M

    you better not spoil it again or the next headbut is coming aussie post style in an express post satchel.

    I agree,
    i hate toyotas more now because of the way toyota paul portrays them to be invincible.

  • Toyota Paul

    Hahahah you cant win when you are surrounded my Ford fairies. Andrew.M continue talking sh*t ‘oh I hate Toyota more now’… mate you post negatively in EVERY Toyota thread like your fairy friends, I think you cant hate it much more… what Ive caused is for you fairies to be bitter at Toyota, rubbing salt into the wounds so to speak when I highlight how piss poor your Fords are (60% have problems in the first 5 months… I think Daewoos have a better record) compared to Toyotas rock solid reliability which means only 15% have problems in the same period. Its called tall poppy syndrome, lets attack Toyota because we deep down know they are the best.

    As for this article, as usualy people twist and turn… my main point (with the jokes I made at some individuals aside) is that this provides an example of Toyota having the confidence of using a production engine in a racing application (however heavily modified) compared to the Ford and Holden camp who use racing engines because they have absolutely no confidence in their own engines…. cant blame them!

  • Bavarian Missile

    But I doubt any of the parts apart from the block that would still be modified would be ex toyota factory Paul,seriously.

    I think even Tony Wedlock the owner would tell you that,he doesn’t even want to tell anyone what the car cost him in the States where he bought it!

    Seems like Toyota trying to enter yet another field in what Hemis,Chevs and Fords have always dominated. I doubt this will change much in the drag racing circles ! He still cant run with the big boys…. big block door slammers! Doubt it sounds any where as impressive either! Sorry but Toyota cant be good at everything and will have to go along way to convince true V8 petrol heads other wise . No insults back please!

  • Toyota Paul

    I understand you ford fairies feel threatened by Toyota expanding… they already compete in the most competitions throughout the world and now they are moving into drag racing… using an engine that is based on a production engine (I have never said its extremely similar, but it is the 2JZ…3.2L displacement producing 1300kw… meanwhile Andrew.M says a GM can get 2000hp….100kw more with double the displacement!!). And insults, dont patronise me, I am reactionary… you will have to consult your fairies about attacking people (And no fairies isnt an insult in my eyes)

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Yes Paul, it’s correct that you can get more power out of a bigger motor.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    If Paul wants me to think Fords are “P.O.S” and just love Toyotas, they need to have a RWD V8, I don’t like Toyota because of that! Paul listen mate, you still have not told us your point.

  • Toyota Paul

    You have quite the imagination their NM… and you expect us to believe you own a number of propeties etc! And its obvious Going Ford is your alternative persona, this is the 10th post Ive seen where you reply within 2mins, coincidence? No.

  • Bavarian Missile

    They are different people Paul…….sorry Me lives in QLD I think and NM lives in NSW from memory? Plus NM has just returned this week after being in Cairns after putting his boat on a slip for $24000 in repairs . I would guess NM is older than Me too so more likely than not does own properties ,baby boomer like myself I would think! Me was till posting when NM was away.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Yes I was here when NM was away. Paul, it looks like you’ve run out of ideas, so it’s insult time is it?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL: paranoid again I see. Paul mate, you’ll go blind as you worry about this 2mins gap you ALWAYS go on about so remove thy hands of it as you are wildly wrong. GAME OVER ON THAT ONE SO DROP IT!

    BM: Yes NSW as daylight savings here. Miss Smarty! Spot on

  • Toyota Paul

    Dear Good!!! Someone this incoherent, because they were lucky enough to be a baby boomer, is well off! And no Going Ford he has used various other names in the past, its reasonable to be suspiscious given this fact and the similarties between your posts.

  • Toyota Paul

    Dear god*

    Yes as I just stated there is reason to be paranoid… and I still would be in relation to these fortunes you have unless BM has actually seen them… people have a tendency to talk themselves up over the internet.

  • Andrew M

    firstly,
    paul at it again misquoting me!!!!
    look back and tell me again that i said you can get 2000hp out of a chev!!!!!!

    ill be back to finish in a sec

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul I have only used one name in the past and that was ‘Me.’

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    PAUL….gee you are a deadset paranoid jughead of the highest calibre time and time and time again. You say fortunes and all I said was properties. Get over it, we went down road of builders margins. Iam not a carpenter; has that sunk in to your granite like head. If not let me know as I will get my Hitachi big jackhammer that plugs into a 10amp single power point and get it through to you mate!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Not baby boomer. F***k ya playing in sandpit all over the place PAUL… drop it!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL… please I beg you stop it as just read another one of your comments and Iam crying from laughing… SERIOUS YA FUNNY STOOGE AND PARANOID AS EVER.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul is a paranoid retard, I tell ya!
    Something that pissed me of before is that Channel Seven didn’t even show race 2 live. (ANDREW.M, I WON’T DARE SAY THE SLIGHTEST THING WHAT HAPPEND, SO YOU CAN STILL WATCH IT ON TV AND NO SPOILERS!)

  • Toyota Paul

    Another “Andrew” said it then… Im misquoting on purpose………………………….

    NM congrats on your fortunes, you’ve done well on $30k p.a… baby boomers did have better housing affordability I spose.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Tears gone!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    If Paul insults anyone, I can insult him back too…

  • Toyota Paul

    You been crying NM? No need to get emotionally attached to this.

  • Toyota Paul

    Yeah Going Ford you twat, I throw an insult in every 2nd word because I havent got the brains to formulate a reasonably argument. I dont think you’ve contributed one decent thing apart from ‘Ford Ford…Deeeeeeerr Ford’

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Too right you haven’t got the brains to formulate a reasonably argument, dumbarse!

  • Toyota Paul

    NM just in case youve lost it, Im still awaiting for a reply to this accusation you made against Toyotas relaibility, here:

    caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968

    Just link a web page, there are million of sites on the net surely one supports what youve said.

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford that is called satire, its over someones head when they are still in primary school.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Now generation X is picking on baby boomers…….not our problem our houses are now worth a Million!!

    Paul you have no idea what us baby boomers have been through!

    Who cares how much you earn its what you spend it on! This is just getting too low now,nothing to do with cars!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    PAUL YOU BRAINCELL…refer to 7.59pm third line. PAUL I have a company and if a house costs me 192K I charge the client 239K as I have. I do multiple homes. All I do is get smarter people then you to do work under my scope of works to there trade. Mate Iam suprised you breathe air as your wasting it and this most basic answer.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Mock of the first verse of Fruit’s Candy…

    Did you know that Paul-l-l is an-n arsehole?
    Not only that, he is a, a f***hole.
    Hard to think a little kid thinks he can get me…
    To just love Toyot-t-a-a-a, ahhhh!

  • Toyota Paul

    What you’ve been through lol… paying off house loans in 5 years! Now you have to take 20 year loans out… some people take loans out for their life! Dont lecture me about difficulties of the baby boomers pleeease!

    Ok NM you work so much yet your essentially on the computer 24/7, Im sure you can appreciate how difficult this is to believe.

    —————————————————

    Waiting for NM to support his claims that 3.5 million Toyotas have been recalled since 2006… his credibility is at stake:

    caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul I don’t know what you went on about, it might be because you’re still in primary school. :P

  • Toyota Paul

    Yet another post by Going Ford, bringing nothing to the argument… just insults

    ——————————————————–

    Waiting for NM to support his claims that 3.5 million Toyotas have been recalled since 2006… his credibility is at stake:

    caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968

  • Andrew M

    ok paul you expect a response from every one on your questions yet you still have not pointed out the things you critisize me on. ive asked you several times!!!!
    how many times have you lied and how many times have you misquoted me now?
    um about 3 a piece i think it is so a total of 6 times you have fabricated lies

  • Toyota Paul

    Yes I fabricate lies yet Im the ONLY one to provide evidence for many of my opinions. Honestly Andrew.M your a joke, of course I make mistakes… I have to respond to 10+ Ford fairies. But attacking on the basis of lies, Id say ALL you say is a lie and your fairy friends, because you never back it up, so its unsubstantiated.

    —————————————————

    Waiting for NM to support his claims that 3.5 million Toyotas have been recalled since 2006… his credibility is at stake:

    caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968

  • Andrew M

    still waiting for paul to support his claims i am a liar……….and waiting and waiting and waiting.
    mate ive been waiting for what feels like 6 months so how about you prove yourself first before demanding others to

  • Andrew M

    mate ive shown you plenty of times the stupid stuff you have said with NO COMMENT!!
    yet you still go on about it!!!!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toyota Paul Says:
    September 28th, 2007 @ 12:34 pm on F6 Typhoon road test…

    “And as for hating Fords so much, I think if you look hard enough you will find positive comments made by me about Fords.”

    WHERE? SOUNDS LIKE A BULLSHIT ARTIST WROTE THAT ABOVE!

  • Toyota Paul

    Hahah Ford faries ganging up. Maybe your alittle thick Andrew.M, Im mentioned the difficulties associated with finding quotes from you.. I dont intend to spend hours. NM on the other hand would have find his little figures just yesterday, hell if he found it off the net the site should still be in his history. Note the difference, one takes 5seconds to retrieve the other will take many hours.

    —————————————————

    Waiting for NM to support his claims that 3.5 million Toyotas have been recalled since 2006… his credibility is at stake:

    caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968

  • Andrew M

    oh i also provided you with an official crash test ratings graph 3 times yet you still went on that toyotas were safer than fords!!!
    yet the graph proved fords typically are far better in safety
    yet you still argue!!!!!!

    oh if ford drivers are fairies then what are those that drive wussy camrys?

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford… you sound like a retard to me! How old are you, for real? 6? 7? Your not even old enough to drive a car yet, dont try to lecture me on anything child.

  • Andrew M

    ok if you arent going to prove what i have said then shut your pie hole on the subject then!!!!!!

    if you are so confident on what i have said and recollect it so well im sure it wouldnt be that hard to find

  • Toyota Paul

    Yes Andrew.M you always provide evidence… dont know what world you live in what it aint reality, even your fairy budy NM highlights my linking in the SS thread… I think youve provided support twice out of 10000 claims. And wussy camry oh man thats deep!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Self employed dipstick is moi. I Supervise and organise the separate stages of work and day is over real quick even when doing multiple homes. No baby boomer as Iam responsible as most cannot look after themselves and have 3kids. I buy land, subdivide it and make heaps on that. You can too once ya get a life. Paul that exact sentence is off the internet and I suggest you look as it black and white is there. GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW PATHETICALLY INCOHERENT AND ALL OVER THE PLACE YA ARE.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Goes to show that it’s really you Paul whos the retard here because im not 6 or 7 or even too young to drive.

  • Bavarian Missile

    I am not lecturing you, some baby boomers have been through a lot to pay off their home cause banks times for a loan was 12 years not 5 . I was born in 1965 so I am not a baby boomer really!

    Yet by the time I was I was married ,business turning over $400,000. a new BMW in the drive and a year later a new 911 ! Some of us weren’t infernal students cause you don’t have to be to earn big money. Sorry…….but true! Stop putting those down that weren’t University educated !

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    …Reliability sentence ya refer to Paul is off the…

  • Andrew M

    oh and you are a housing expert to are you paul?
    mate dont forget that when the baby boomers were “in” interest rates were triple what they are now meaning housing affordability would have been similar.

    you can pay a house off in 5yrs now days too if you want. just put your head down and get stuck into it.

    do you own a house paul?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    …Sentence is off the internet…..

  • Toyota Paul

    Andrew.M Ive mentioned you saying Ford is better then Toyota in reliability like twice, I havent even mentioned it here.. quit looking like an idiot saying ‘shut your pie hole about it’ when you mentioned it.

    Hahaha yes Im over the place, your the guy who posts and appears to be high on something. I very much doubt you are in such a position of authority, you are literally on this site all day and all night. Once I start work I will have no time for this. There is no way even self employed you could do all this, sorry, but its fluff.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul!!! this is what you said… “And as for hating Fords so much, I think if you look hard enough you will find positive comments made by me about Fords.”

    I tell you that and you talk shit with childish comments.

  • Toyota Paul

    No Andrew.M you can talk as much sh*t as you want… my parents bought a house for $100k and sold it for $500k, in the same period their income didnt increase 5x and even with interest it was still far quicker to pay off when its such a small amount. I have other examples which are even bigger, I know someone who bought land for $20k in the 60s and its now worth $1mil! Incomes havent increased by that much. I think your just looking for an argument like you say I do, right now… its common sense housing affordability has decreased.

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford Im not going to respond to you child, you have not once, literally once, provided something useful here. I dont answer to people who constantly insult others but provide NOTHING to any discussion

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Thats because you too Chicken to respond to people older than you.

  • Andrew M

    paul you are lucky DJR had a good run in bahrain otherwise i would jump through your screen and rip your head off (that means im in a good mood)

    so where is the link where i have said fords have a better track reliability that toyotas.
    mate that is the basis for every second word that comes out of your trap!!!!
    that is your trade mark argument so why no desire to prove you are right?
    you know you wont find it. yep it would take more than hours to find something i never typed

  • Ross

    OK guys, time to only do what is fair.. I suggest everyone make a signature just like Toyota Paul.

    ——————————–

    Waiting for Toyota Paul to prove that Andrew M. said “fords have a better track record for reliability than toyota”

    TOYOTA PAULS CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE!!

  • Andrew M

    Paul i bought a house 2yrs ago (very much post boom) and it is on track to be paid clear in a total or 4-5yrs!!!!!

    i am also looking at other investment land opportunities where i could see myself net$30k in 3 months.

    so you are not working at the moment?
    well get the hell off the centre link computer as it is reserved for those that are interested in contributing to the australian economic cycle

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul I did prove something there. You just too chicken shit to respond.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Taking a long time to comment back Paul

  • Bavarian Missile

    No way at that age I could do this……….I was 19 .!

    Every heard of ABALONE DIVERS! A license now is worth now ???

    When I divorced at 28 it was worth 3.5 million I think a kilo of abbs is about $60.00 if not more a kilo and a divers quota is 28 units ! One unit is worth around a thousand kilos…you work it out! You have NO IDEA!!!!!!!!! Trying to watch Top Gear!

  • Andrew M

    thats right it is your credibility at stake paul.

    while you are at it have a look at where you HAVE said “toyotas have bullet proof reliability” and also where you have said the TRD is the only toyota to have a problem.

    you critisize of of barging in on toyota posts and bringing negativity with us yet you fail to se that you are either the “pot” or the “kettle”. so which one are you.

    remember you barged in on the mondeo post as a classic and said the car that offered far better value than a camry (the mondeo) was a rip off ha ha ha ha ha

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    LOL Andrew M! Paul get of centre link computers!

  • Toyota Paul

    Andrew.M:

    For starters, it hasnt been my bias, my basis is that Ford are piss poor…. not that you said Ford are better then Toyota

    Regardless after a quick search of a thread I suspected had you mentioning Ford is better and its come up trumps. Please to all you idiots who have been asking, here is your evidence (cop is sweet idiots):

    Andrew.M =

    “mate im gonna let you have your reliability thing cause its going nowhere. i dont care as all my fords (and everyone i know who has or has had them have had no problems…..

    as i and some others (including yourself paul) have said before there are many other factors on which you must consider.
    safety………..ford wins
    comfort……….ford wins
    reliability……toyota wins (I GIVE IN LETS COUNT ALL MEDIA)
    handling………ford wins
    styling……….ford wins
    value…………ford wins”

    caradvice.com.au/6306/2007-trd-aurion-3500s-road-test/

    Let me guess…. you will twist some BS that you werent saying that. EAT YOUR HUMBLE PIE IDIOTS!

  • Andrew M

    paul unless you can find where i have said \”fords have a better track record than toyotas\” then you argument on me not believing your survey is DEAD.
    its a mythical thought paul and i think the reason you want to believe i said it is so you can argue about something.

    do you also beat yourself up and tell the authorities your parents did it?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Hi everybody!

    ——————————–

    ^crap person’s sign!

  • Toyota Paul

    Ross cop that your f*ckwit… I bet you make some excuse, well I dont bet, I guarrante you Ford fairy!!!

    Andrew.M as for paying your house off, Im sure you could when your older and have a decent income. But that isnt a great example. Young vs Young, my parents paid off a house in 5 years which now takes 20 years in similar cirucmstnaces (ie income etc)

  • Andrew M

    mate your evidence proves me right!

    it proves that i have said toyotas win in reliability!!!

  • Andrew M

    Paul for all you know i could be younger than you so why assume i am older than you so thats why i could pay off quicker

  • Toyota Paul

    No it doesnt you twister, particularly:

    “reliability……toyota wins (I GIVE IN LETS COUNT ALL MEDIA)”

    I GIVE IN… there was an argument prior to this that Ford was better, but because you gave in, you said Toyota. Your twisting as usual!!!!!!

    Now, Ive provided evidence (or in your ford fairy biased eyes tried to), where is NMs evidence for that 3.5million. Credibility is at stake!!!!!!!???????

  • Andrew M

    Paul its good to see you quickly change your claims too before you deliver the “proof”

    Quote…….
    Andrew.M:

    “For starters, it hasnt been my bias, my basis is that Ford are piss poor…. not that you said Ford are better then Toyota”

    so you just twisted your comments quickly there too didnt you??????

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    You still can’t explain this Paul

    “And as for hating Fords so much, I think if you look hard enough you will find positive comments made by me about Fords.”

    Cop that your f*ckwit! :P

  • Toyota Paul

    Andrew.M no your older then me…. no person has a house paid off by their early 20s… stop arguing for arugments sake, housing affordability is worse.

  • Toyota Paul

    The old twist again, stop changing the topic (why aernt you bringing this up now Ross you c*ck)… Ive provided evidence, eat your humble pie!!

    Going Ford I will find a comment just to spite you child, but not now.

    Im going (so as usual, Im not leaving this argumetn… I have things to do)….I expect NM to have provided evidence by tomoroz and I will repost my evidnece regarding Andrew.M because I know it will be buried by Ford fairy comments tonight spinning that he didnt say Ford are better than toyota, despite it being quote obvious.

  • Andrew M

    thats right the previous argument was over you saying fords are pieces of shite.

    even the credibility of your source for the survey is attacked when the industry experts within it even discredit it. the same mob that conducted that is the same mob that runs the election polls.
    last time little Jonnie H was running they had him losing in the polls yet he still won

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    God, WTF is the idiot paul wanker on now! House affordability, whats that got to do with any thing?

  • Andrew M

    Paul even you said i never said fords have better reliability than toyotas.
    now your last post accuses me of it again…
    Quote…….
    spinning that he didnt say Ford are better than toyota, despite it being quote obvious

  • Andrew M

    paul where is your proof that i am older than you???
    how old are you??????
    im prob not as old as you think

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “Going Ford I will find a comment just to spite you child, but not now.”

    What pansy comment by a F*** head, go piss off! Can’t think about now so you need to run to your parents to ask them something.

  • Andrew M

    No he has to go cause he is in trouble for being up so late

    oh i think centre link shuts at 9pm too so they will have to start logging off their computers now too

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    LOL Andrew M! his mummy had to smack him up the arse for staying on a centre link too long and got a big bill!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    He hasn’t responded to centre link, so it might be right, he can only use their computers!

  • Ross

    Wow, I must really be getting under Toyota Paul’s skin! He keeps calling me names even in posts where he is responding to OTHER people!! :D

    ——————————–

    Waiting for Toyota Paul to prove that Andrew M. said “fords have a better track record for reliability than toyota”

    TOYOTA PAUL’S CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL…he is the Pope, he can comment on everything.

    Tis OK the history on that one Paul is as disturbing as you!

    LOL you are deadset the funniest f***head god created. I have seen more intelligent creatures swimming 38metres down in the ocean. There Paul = TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO SCUBA DIVING.

  • Bavarian Missile

    I have seen that episode of top gear was a good one though!

    Hey Ross I think he has sunk himself. Sometimes in life you have to admit when your wrong or you know nothing on the subject! I am old enough to do that!

  • Andrew M

    Paul (and everyone) check this out
    its about the way toyota is “percieved as being quality and how industry people are reluctant to say bad things about toyota

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070311143311AAN09vc

    the first Quote from it…….

    “If you’ve merely done a moderate amount of Internet surfing or cracked open
    a newspaper lately – just about any newspaper – you’ve undoubtedly seen the
    news that Toyota has once again passed Ford in worldwide auto sales and may
    pass GM sometime this year.

    But what you may not have seen is that Toyota has already passed both Ford
    and GM in a different category – automotive recalls.”

  • Ross

    Hello BM. I actually wrote a nice long reply to Paul (non-abusive of course) in the Supercharged Corolla thread… unfortunately it is awaiting moderation. It seems any post that is quite long now needs to be moderated before being published.

    Paul’s age shows… but that’s ok.. life will sort him out – it’s called karma I believe.

  • Ross

    Oh dear.. I forgot my signature! here it is:

    —————-
    Waiting for Toyota Paul to prove that Andrew M. said “fords have a better track record for reliability than toyota”

    TOYOTA PAUL’S CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE!!

  • Andrew M

    the above link places many fords above toyotas in reliability and encourages people away from the toyota means better quality image

  • Andrew M

    also the link states that in 2005 toyota recalled more vehicles than it made!!!!

    and this year it says they are set to eclipse that!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    he has left now I think?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Please, yes?

  • Andrew M

    so who’s read my link?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    That tosser might be back the next day. He said he’ll find a comment that will make him spit shit out of his face!

  • Andrew M

    NM,
    that link proves you recall figure claims too but ill let you fish it out.
    it also says
    “9.3 million toyotas recalled in 3 yrs”

  • Bavarian Missile

    I found the link too .

    “But what you may not have seen is that Toyota has already passed both Ford
    and GM in a different category – automotive recalls.

    Although we’ve barely passed mid-February, Toyota has already recalled
    533,417 vehicles this year in a mix that, according to http://www.AutoRecalls.us,
    includes Tundras Sequoias and Camrys. That puts Toyota on track to recall
    more than the over 1.76 million autos they recalled in the U.S. and Japan
    in 2006, and the 2.2 million they recalled in 2005 when they recalled more
    cars than they built.

    What’s more, the current recall related to the Turdra trucks and Sequioa
    SUVs is similar to the same defect in 800,000 of the same vehicles in 2005.

    Maybe somebody at Toyota isn’t paying attention?

    Hopefully the American consumers are. Recall numbers by domestic companies
    (GM and Ford) so far this year are as follows: Ford, 128,163; Chevrolet,
    4,829; and Pontiac, 1,602. Chrysler – a German company masquerading as an
    American company with plans to start importing cars from China in 2008 -
    has recalled 77,432 vehicles so far in 2007.

    To be sure, high recall numbers are not good. Auto companies would much
    rather prefer high sales numbers instead. As I’ve already mentioned, the
    media is abuzz that GM may lose its crown this year to Toyota in worldwide
    auto sales. But for that to ever happen in the U.S. sales category, it’s
    going to take several more years since GM has a U.S. market share of 24.3%
    compared to 15.4% for Toyota. Even Ford, despite their recent troubles, has
    a higher domestic market share than Toyota at 17.5%.

    But if GM loses their worldwide crown this year, it may actually turn out
    to be a blessing in disguise. Here’s why:

    First, GM spent 17% less per vehicle this January compared to last January,
    which means they are more profitable on a per-unit basis. In fact, GM
    expects to report a profit for the most recent quarter.

    Second, it may be good for GM to step aside temporarily, for now, and let
    Toyota take all the ammunition that is always aimed at the top dog of the
    industry so there is less pressure and fewer distractions. And when GM
    combines their more-solid profitability and their improved quality
    together, their public perception will also improve.

    Then they can use these admirable qualities to prepare to surge back on top
    at the precise time Toyota is in the top slot with their recall surge in
    the news. Toyota’s timing at being number one worldwide would create
    further skepticism about whether they really deserve their reputation for
    untarnished quality.

    According to Business Week’s January 22, 2007 issue, Toyota has recalled
    9.3 million vehicles in the last three years, which is nearly four times
    the number of recalls in the three year period prior to 2004.

    Other recent news that won’t sit well with a Camry-conscious public is the
    class-action lawsuit recently settled by Toyota regarding ruinous oil
    sludge buildup
    covering 3.5 million Toyota and Lexus (yes, Lexus) vehicles.

    Optimistic statements by Toyota executives aren’t going to cut it for long
    - particularly when they don’t match well with reality. Denial in the
    Camry-company camp seems to be setting in. Toyota’s North American
    president Jim Press recently disputed the suggestion that his company no
    longer enjoys a large lead in reliability over the American competition.
    Speculating on the thoughts of American car company well-wishers while
    speaking at the recent Chicago Auto Show,
    Press said “I think there’s some hope that the gap in quality is closing,
    but it really isn’t.”
    Oh, really? That’s a pretty strong comment considering Toyota recalled 1.27
    million vehicles in one swoop in 2005, recording the biggest-ever recall in
    history for a Japanese car company.

    But, recalls notwithstanding, the evidence that the quality gap is closing
    is pretty indisputable, and the evidence has been piling up for more than
    just the last couple of years. With the following facts, you can make your
    argument for American car quality fully bulletproof – even among your most
    ardent foreign car-defending friends.

  • ILYSKYRINE

    LOL CHOCKA BLOCKA LOSER’S YOUR ALL LOSERS LOL ADHESIVE BANDAGES ARE THE GO FOR WHEN YOUR CAR NEEDS NEW CAR PARTS ENJOY GUYSH!

  • Tonyn

    are you a tool paul, ford use a production block in V8 supercars…. and most of those parts you can buy through selected ford dealers too…. so off the shelf parts have nothing to do with it…. its the same 5l block used in all v8 fords from 1991 to 2002.

    And i dont think you should bring up how well toyota do in motorsport…. there pretty average in F1 and none fo the camrys made it into the finals of the nascar…

    Any you can pay off a home in your early 20′s, its all about knowing how to invest your money…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA….http://www.autorecalls.us. BM, babe ya hit the jackpot on that one!

    TONYN…mate you are pointing the obvious there every sentence. COOL COMMENTS!

  • Toyota Paul

    Thankyou for finding the link BM, good to see your Ford fairies stick up for eachother, I wander if it was me being attacked for a link whether youd spend time for that lol!

    Back to the claims against me, I show again the quote by Andrew.M in relation to suggesting Fords have better reliability than Toyota:

    Andrew.M =

    “mate im gonna let you have your reliability thing cause its going nowhere. i dont care as all my fords (and everyone i know who has or has had them have had no problems…..

    as i and some others (including yourself paul) have said before there are many other factors on which you must consider.
    safety………..ford wins
    comfort……….ford wins
    reliability……toyota wins (I GIVE IN LETS COUNT ALL MEDIA)
    handling………ford wins
    styling……….ford wins
    value…………ford wins”

    caradvice.com.au/6306/2007-trd-aurion-3500s-road-test/

    Now I knew you would spin it around and not accept it, thats why I was reluctant to search, but anyone who has half a brain can clearly see what youve claimed, its obvious when you say:

    “reliability……toyota wins (I GIVE IN LETS count all media)”

    Now if that isnt saying Ford in your mind has better reliability I dont know what does! Just accept this Andrew.M… and also STOP with the insults, you asked for me to find this, dont be bitter that I did, if anything an APOLOGY is in order considering youve asked me to apologise for suggesting you said Fords are better and then chased and attacked me about it with your Ford mate Ross… when in fact I was right. When it comes to opinions fair enough attack me, but when I say I do have support 100% of the time I have it… I dont lie like some about this.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Paul you do know Andrew and I use to fight like cats and dogs back in May this year, we have since learn’t to respect each others thoughts and feelings on this site and admit when when we are wrong! Its not a case of sticking together as you think we “Ford Faries ” do ,we simply all disagree with you running Ford and Holden down against Toyota . It is a easier to get on and agree to disagree than constantly bicker over the same old points! Thats what I have learn”t anyway !

    I have nothing against Toyota ,I believe they make a great product but like GMH and Ford sometimes they too make mistakes! Does it really matter how much better one is over another just pick your favorite and try to get on .

  • Toyota Paul

    BM Ive said many times Im not the one who usually starts these arguments, I am reactionary… someone for example comes into the TRD thread and says Toyota aernt reliable… I will defend it not becasue Im a Ford supporter, but because its a fact they are reliable. In relation to my last post here, I dont intend to have a go at Andrew.M in relation to his credibility but he kept on pushing and I have produced evidence to support my opinion.

  • Toyota Paul

    Toyota Supporter*

  • Tonyn

    i agree with you there Bavarian,

    i think we all need to agree to disagree.

  • Tom

    and across the land peace reigned…

    This is good. The sniping has gotten out of hand over the last couple of weeks. As a whole lot of people have said, its great to be passionate and support a brand, but we all need to respect everyone elses opinions. People hate it when someone tries to force their religion on them, and its similar with cars (amongst us anyway, cars are a religion). There’s no need for a car brand crusades on this site.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Agree Tonyn… dam hard to do!!!!!!! Maybe most on here need to understand that world does NOT revolve around one car maker (i.e. I like Hyundai and where it is going heaps – i30 is testament to that, I like Aurion Sportivo ahead of VE and BF, I like Holden ute, VW makes great cars FINALLY, Mazda 6 is one hot car, Mazda 2 is hot but yet I like Yaris more as just simply gels better, I like RAV4 and Kluger is cool, Territory is old crap – look at ford website in America to work out why they gone backwards as easy to see I would not accept one of there cars unless they paid me to take it; but then they are coming up with the Verve, Iosis, Kluga, Mondeo are all HOT as and it pisses me off that Tom Gorman is not pushing full on with Chairman Mays as hassles Ford have had are since 1998 with AU abortion it has been followed and run not properly. Then I like Kia C’eed, Kia Sorento). Variety is the spice of life and being self centred around one brand is not right!!!!

  • Tonyn

    look, although it may be hard to do we ALL need to do it, toyota paul included.

    I think the toyota reliability thing got way out of hand, at the end of the day, ford, toyota, holden and mitsubishi all are as bad as eachother. Case closed.

    All manufacturers deserve some sort of praise. If they didnt make something half decent that wouldnt be in the marketplace still.

    Still i hate to say it i dont think we have heard the end of it.

    Does anyone own a SMG M3 and like it? im ready to take this thing i am driving back!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Pitty,cause it a real nice looking M3 too. I guess thats why it took me a good 6 months to find mine , alot are SMG nothing beats a manual in a sports car !

    Back to the drawing board . Did you see Ford Forums last week when someone said Craig Lowndes TS50 was for sale? I meant to read the post but forgot to go back to it! Gee those guys mention caradvice alot,always using it as reference to new stories released.Pat on the back for the CA team…..

    Off to wash the car….oh forgot to mention ,yesterday went to Auto 1 to get my Auto Glym wheel cleaner and they had run out! When I asked what was almost as good he pointed towards Mothers,when I asked was it acidic he said no,”your not cleaning a BMW or a Merc are you? Ah M3 I said, he put it back on the shelf! Apparently Auto Glym made their wheel cleaner especially for BMW and Merc cause it doesnt take the clear off the paint finish! When I think about it hubby use to use some cheap wheel cleaner on the BAGT and the clear started to peel off,so becareful what you use. Its expensive stuff but so is repainting your wheels! Hubby also uses the same stuff now on the white wheels on the Cobra……bloody annoying things to keep clean!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Also my point is you can have the biggest budget and largest most giant company and all the success; but if the look of new car that companies release come out bit weird looking, then the pendulum will swing at the beancounters! Look at Ford AU in 1998 even though nice sort of grille and headlights ????, the new current Supra (or prototype), Magna before with weird bug eye front headlights, current 380 not much better, etc, etc)

  • Tonyn

    oh yeah i wont use anything else but auto glym… been using it for donkeys years!!! i love auto glym!!

    I have a guy faltering on my TS50 at the minute… he said he would buy it, i have his deposit but havent heard from him in 3 weeks!!

    Yeah back to the drawing board…. the m3 looks the part but drives so so bad with the SMG…. i dont know what to do now…. im thinking SRT8 300c as well now…. drove my mates and im in love with that hemi grumble!! and i know i can get some huge wheels for them…..

  • Andrew M

    Paul,
    the thing i gave up on in relation to toyotas reliability was me trying to tell you the gap isnt as big as you make out!!!!!
    you will never find the words from myself that directly suggest fords have a better reliability track record.
    prior to that you were trying to ram into us that toyotas were bullet proof and fords fell apart when you looked at them.
    thats what i gave up on, trying to tell you the gap isnt as big as you make out.

    did you read the link i posted that says toyota is giving ford and GM a hiding in recalls?
    9.3 mill in 3 yrs.
    now you did say you would apologise to NM if such evidence was presented didnt you

  • Toyota Paul

    Whatever makes you sleep at night Andrew.M in relation to Toyota reliability, you still havent learnt… and I doubt you will given 3 days of arguing about it has done nothing. Lets move on.

  • Alien

    so when are we having an actual meet and greet CarAdvice.com gathering :D lol

  • Bavarian Missile

    Where are you located Alien……not Mars I hope. A XMAS party at Alborz’s place sounds good!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Too bad, I’m going on holidays over X-Mas! :)

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tonyn……..you been drinking? You like the armored vehicle?? You looking at doing some moon lighting for Chubb perhaps…hehehe

    Go buy the latest Top Gear Mag….they have an article in there comparing the Commodore R8 an Audi and one of those designed with ruler cars??? They sound tough but thats where it ends?

    Ill look out for a DJR car for you ,the latest unique cars is out you got it?

  • Andrew M

    what do you mean “what ever makes you sleep” Paul??

    mate ive provided some evidence and you obviously cant handle it.

  • Toyota Paul

    I mean I provided that quote about you, it clearly shows what you meant… yet you still cant accept it. Im willing to move on from these arguments, but I wont concede defeat that you never said Ford > Toyota because that would be accepting a lie.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tonyn make that Sept issue I have just bought Octs issue!

  • Cobra045

    BM.. where you been hiding??

  • Cobra045

    TonyN.. you still got the TS50 for sale?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Sorry didn’t get to the meeting ,had to take a sick magpie to a vet! Then washed my car and watched the v8s again! Talk tomorrow . Cheers

  • Tonyn

    yeah i still do have the TS for sale!

  • Tonyn

    BM,
    you dont like the 300c? im a bit of a fan, i like chunky looking cars.

    Reason behing the 300c is it has a lot of AMG benz stuff underneath, they drive pretty good! I am starting to think orion GT but…. but i did get the TS out last night, polished it up, took it for its little weekly drive, its still a nice car!

  • Bavarian Missile

    I know that AMG supplied Chrysler with their expertise,{now there ties have been severed it will be interesting to what they will do}I thing there too Chunky.I like the RT Chargers they do in the States sadly they don’t come here!

    Each to their own I guess,can I send Cobra045 pics of your TS50 and your details if hes interested further in contacting you?

  • Tonyn

    yeah for sure! not a problem at all!!

    Yeah i like the Rt charger too, if i could buy a RHD one of those, or a new mustang from the ford factory i would get one i think! im going mad trying to buy something and i never drive it anyway, if i was smart id pocket the money and do something sensable with it!!

    My new audi now turns up mid december, not the right colour or trim, but it now has a roof, nav and bluetooth…. white with black trim now!

  • Cobra045

    photos would be great!! BM it is for the guy who was witth me at the All Ford Day. He is a big TS50 fan and is looking for one to buy..

    Tonyn.. what do you want for it? How many kms?

  • Tonyn

    it has done 51000 klms or there abouts…. i will include everything with the car, std wheels, std springs, i want 36000 but am open to offers, it is immaculate, i have babied it up from when i have had it.

  • Cobra045

    how can i get photos??

  • Bavarian Missile

    I will send them too you now,and give you Tonyn details.

    Off to GYM back later.

  • Cobra045

    Tonyn..

    Do you have any more photos (interior)?? My mate is very interested but needs more info. Are you on the email address that BM forwared to me??

  • Andrew M

    Paul,
    you have claimed i said “fords have a better track record in terms of reliability”
    Have you found these words? NO
    what ever you want to illude to that i said just keep it to yourself.
    this comes from the same person who said “toyotas have bullet proof reliability” and then denys it.
    i found those exact words from you didnt I?

    so whats your thoughts on the link i posted for you??

  • Bavarian Missile

    I thought you were back at work this week?

  • Stfu

    look,all i say is that ford/holden build big CC cars which produce lesser kw/hp than the smaller CC cars and they drink petrol like a pig.what’s the use?sound?*oh yea mofo,look at me, i drive a bladdy v8-eat a dick

  • Me.

    ^Is that Toyota Paul?

  • Me.

    Stfu, what smaller cars have more power than Ford/Holden? Your TuRDs have superchargers that give them power&toque when Ford and Holden don’t and also supercharges makes them drink the fuel just as much as any V8 can.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Na hes smarter than that!

  • Me.

    When it comes to these Tornmotors(TuRDs), they just little Front wheel drive and small wimpy V6 small d!ck….”but then we hide it by supercharging it!!!!! to hide whats happerning, so then we say we better than normal V8s” – that all about Paul(now STFU).

    For god sake!!! what happerns to V8 if same hapens????????????

  • Me.

    I just thought it the chasers were watching this site, they’d make fun of “STFU” for having the word “D!CK” involving him hating V8s.

  • http://msn.com Toyota & supra lover

    haahha fords are so retarded =D…only good for breaking down!! hahahhaha

  • http://msn.com Toyota & supra lover

    ford’s comfort nd style nd safety all those is b.s. my ass..lawl cracker styles =_=! toyotas own every ford model..don’t forget how fords rev w/ pollution going like 5mph haha..supra pwns that …twin turbo save gas then boom gone baby drift son…hahaha =)

  • Me.

    ^^^^
    Looks like paul’s brother.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Mate, that was utter gibberish. I’m not sure it’s english, but I did get that it was an uninformed person who thinks “Fast and Furious” is real life.