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Toyota Australia has stopped sales of its newly released V6 RAV4. The company stated the RAV4′s V6 engine, which has already seen controversy after Toyota stopped sales of the TRD Aurion, was not performing as smoothly as expected.

Toyota has been hard at work applying the 3.5-litre Toyota Aurion powerplant (2GR-FE) across its entire range. Starting life in the Aurion, then the Tarago, Kluger, and now a brief stint in the RAV4.

Toyota has not given any specific reasons for the sale freeze, noting that it is not a recall, but more of a precaution. The company says the RAV4′s driveability may be compromised.

Prior to the incident, Toyota executive vice-president Mitsuo Kinoshita, told The Age newspaper that Toyota was under pressure due to growing demand. He also noted the use of in-car electronics and integrated circuit boards have been a weak point for the Japanese manufacturer.

This is the third sales freeze for Toyota this year, following the Corolla’s steering rack issue and the TRD Aurion’s engine failure. As we mentioned earlier, Toyota is also having quality issues in the U.S.

Is the king of reliability slipping in standards?


  • Jonathan

    oh dear!
    I bet Toyota fans will be hiding today.
    This is not something you’d want to know as an owner of that engine, I always thought it was a little hard tha the engine produced exactly 200kW and used exactly 9.9L/100kms…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Obviously people like TOYOTA PAUL know more then Mitsuo Kinoshita as he researches all these websites and figures he has the right answers and has an excuse for everything. Paul you deadset are a unit… but hey you sit in the cars and know it all in your youthful years – f*ck LOL you are too funny to take serious at times. You and your reliability crap and lack of memory when it comes to Andrew M. I still remember some of the shit you went on with about builders making 30K said a lot about your lack of life skills – just like with your Toyota. When it rains it pours and good to see reality settle in as Toyota has engineers poached by other up and comers and is not the be all and end all number 1 car maker always! Fact is they are on the nose like your comments Paul!

  • Tony

    I’ve driven the Tarago and the Kluger and both are very sweet.

  • 280zx

    HAAAAAAAA ……. Mass producing = massive f*** Ups! No point in making 1 million cars if you cant sell them ! lol
    Im waiting for the old Daewoo comments to come flooding in!

  • Adam (Mada)

    Oh boy…batten down the hatches!

  • Flying High

    I look forward to comment from Toyota Paul and we know they are coming.

    It is disappointing that the supposed long lived Reliability King Toyota is coming a little unstuck in several models. Whats going on Toyota? Hopefully just a hiccup and not an ominous sign of what happens when you aim to be the biggest manufacturer instead of the best.

    Just to stir the pot even more, what are the chances Lexus will fall prey to the same quality issues?

  • jbot

    Maybe Toyota realised how stupid it was to give the RAV4 the V6 from the Kluger, effectively taking sales it would already get with the Kluger haha. Toyota have had a few problems recently, and it doesn’t matter how minor they are, they are tarnishing their image as a builder of cars that are reliable (especially 3 sales freezes in a year!).

    maximus, planning any more trips away soon? or will you be driveling on here for a while now? that week without you around was great!!

  • 351XT

    most of you critics dont need to buy a car when you all travel on the band wagon!

  • Tonyn

    but toyota paul always goes quiet when its toyota that falls on the sword….

    Dissapointing to see this from toyota, hopefully it is resolved quickly….

    This is a silly move from toyota, as the kluger is there already catering for this customer.

  • Andrew M

    the thing i noticed from the article was the toyota exec states electronics is one of their weakness’s, but i thought the chineese/japaneese were right on top or pretty much the leaders in electronic gadgets.
    if you teavel over there you will find they have all the latest electronic gear a while before we do and it is so cheap over there.

    why would the exec say thats where they suffer yet they are in a country that is a leader for that stuff

  • Andrew M

    thats right Tonyn,
    toyota have a large range as is why put a V6 in it….

    it must just be them wanting to keep growing and growing and increasing the range is the easiest way to get more sales.
    unfortunately it seems they have mated a combination that is not so hansome together

  • Myke

    Like the Rav needed 200 killer wasps :D, that’s Kluger territory.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Jbot… gee you were pretty straight with your last comment about Toyota, rare for you to come out with comments without polarising people.

    Fact is you had trouble too getting your simple head around how much builders make and had poor recall of that post sometime back when I put you to the test and challenged you. Your responses back defy logic and you mirrored Toyota Paul as you both were green between the ears, stick to cars as it is dills like you who have limited logic in life. Keep studying hard. Remember those who boast need it most…………….

  • Edaw

    This one has got me stumped. They have been stuffing that engine into the Rav4 for 18 odd months in the US and as soon as the steering column changes sides the problems begin. I think all the doomsayes are a little wide of the mark predicting another Aurion type of issue.
    Anyhoo, still WAY overpriced compared to the 4cyl.

  • Tonyn

    yeah i dont know what they are thinking, i think there model range is just right at the minute, but i think a v6 rav is overkill….

    the thing i dont understand about toyota is they have a good model range, everything is right, and they do have a loyal following ( as i have found off this site) so why do they take silly risks at cannabalising there own sales (v6 rav from kluger)? i just dont understand.

    Why dont they bring out a semi exciting car like the camry coupe we see in the USA??? at least there is a segment they dont compete in already?

    And let it be known there was no ford v’s toyota comparsions in there…. lol

  • Kiasu

    Every car company has its ups and downs and Toyota is not immune to this, but I am confident they will sort this out soon.

    Besides it will take A LOT more of these recalls over a few years before it makes a dent in Toyota sales worldwide. Toyota consumers are like Ipod consumers, they don’t think of alternatives even though there are other products which are just as good or better sometimes. First thing that comes to their mind is Toyota is the best.

    This is so evident in the Asian region, where so many people I have spoke to rank Toyota above everything else, honestly, comments like “better than a Mazda 6″ “more comfortable than my BMW 5 series 4 years ago” “Good looking car” etc.

    So has the latest incident tarnish their reputation, probably. Enough for consumers to start defecting in flocks? In 5 years or so perhaps.

  • James from Melbourne

    I agree with Tonyn, why is Toyota attempting to cannabilise their own sales ?

    The RAV4 fills the small SUV/4WD segment nicely with its 4-cylinder, while the next step up is the Kluger, and the next the Prado (V6 & Diesel) and the final being the Landcruiser (V6, V8 and Diesel..I think ???).

    It sounds like the product groups within Toyota are playing “me too” with the new V6, and with this approach they risk falling into some dangerous traps.

    Another trap that Toyota seem to be falling into is their apparant focus on sales volumes instead of quality – VERY DANGEROUS, a mistake that GM and Ford made in the 80s and 90s and look what happened to them…

  • John

    oh what a sinking feeling…

  • baden

    bla bla bla, plenty of talk over not much at all. mark my words the fault will be a flat spot under acceleration and high fuel consumption. bets any one?
    not a real issue like holden constant 5.7 rebuilds.
    bring it on.

  • Toyota Paul

    I go quiet because I dont spend 24/7 on the PC… I never stray from an argument… so stop making stupid assumptions people like you do for most things. My points to make about this:

    1. Im the one who in fact noted the potential for this very problem in I believe the other Rav6 thread, having the same engine in so many models is dangerous.

    2. I think people are jumping to conclusions, something is obviously wrong… but the fact that the very same engine which was in the Aurion and Kluger HASNT had any issues, maybe we can assume its not the engine per say but its application in the TRD and now Rav6.

    3. Klink, you need help

    4. Toyota is still reliable, you note the difference between Toyota and for example Holden. They have major recalls such as fuel leaks, faulty seat belts and some other major problems… do they stop sales in the interest of their customers? No. Toyota is doing the right thing here. Their reliability is slipping you could say, but they are still far more reliabile then most brands… thats based on 20 years of reliable history, that just doesnt disappear overnight… contrary what Ford faries would believe.

  • Andrew M

    Paul,
    mate i love an excuse to put the boot into holden just like yourself but it would be silly to stop production on commys just to replace a quick and easy known fault item like a fuel seal or seat buckle.

    the toyota problems seem to have extended from a “design fault” or set up problem and they are obviously unsure of the fault. if it was a simple “change a dodgy fan belt” senario then they wouldnt have stopped production. it costs big money to stop production so to stop it suggests they dont yet know the problem or there is a problem with the way they are produced.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Paul you have to admit Toyota seems to becoming less reliable after the recalls so far this year.When was the last time it had so many?

    I guess were still asking ourselves why they made the smaller Klugger still?

  • Andrew M

    toyota arent only stopping production in the best interest of the customers…. it is also in their best interest to stop it because if they dont find the fault then they would be liable for a lot more vehicles.
    TRD example…..
    one engine stuffs up big time…..
    now you imagine if toyota let it go on and then it were 3 then 4 then 10 or so engines, then toyota would have to pay to replace all of them.
    they are best to stop and find it now cause if more stuff up within 3 yrs then they have to pay for it which could run into big bucks.
    but yes also im sure the last thing they want for their reputation is a heap of lemons running around. once again that hurts toyota not the consumer

  • trackdaze

    Oh what a feeling!

    Toyota motors have been running into trouble in the US for a while with sludge build up ruining motors despite them being serviced properly.

    Yes Johnathon rather coincidental that the thing makes the nice round numbers of 200kw and uses 9.9 litres per hundred.

    So people were willing to forgo any type of chassis or suspension sophistication to buy a Toyota on the count of reliability. Will they be now?

  • Tonyn

    i cant believe you would call people ford fairies, all you belt on about is toyota and its reliability….

    you are as bad a a holden supporter…. when holden loses the championship… all holden fans say is its bathurst that counts… when they lose bathurst they say the championship counts…. you change your story to suit yourself! own up to the fact toyota is not as perfect as you say!! how many times will they do this before you admit there quality is slipping!!!

    and for one thing, having the same engine is many models is a good thing, means manufacturing is more streamlined and the product should be better…. am i wrong in thinking this?….

  • Mike

    If you call people who are Ford supporters ford fairies, then it’s only fair that everyone else calls you a Toyota Tosser. or Toyota tugger, or Toyota Taint Taster, etc etc :D

    That’s fair and just.

  • Nick J

    I think the 200 Killer Wasps just bit them in the arse!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA “Dementure” PAUL…LOL you are funny. How your memory is fading and how you really are a wally of the highest calibre. Corolla is off to a great start too Dementure Paul, barely released and bingo – problems! Your backflip you cannot get your head around you clown, including, but not limited to:

    1. You stated before on another post that the reason a carmaker scored low was supply problem on camshaft outside Toyotas control and that that was acceptable ~ and you stated on this same post recently this ONE thing effected the overall score on reliability heaps

    2. You now state that Toyota is slipping a tad and that the problems with the TRD, Corolla and V6 RAV4, and you wont grasp or acknowledge that these THREE things effect overall score on reliability over then stating “…there reliability is slipping you could say”

    Paul, your attitude and mindset clearly is one sided and suggest you get real as your a dill of the highest calibre! LOL your a wally!

  • Myke

    Paul, your only criticising Holden to take the focus off Toyota, if Holden were to take their vehicles off the market due to a fault, you’d be the first to criticise them for doing so.

  • Tonyn

    where did he go??

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Toyota Tosser’s! LOL HA HA HA!

    TOYOTA “Dementure” PAUL is their clown ringleader; struts around like he is the Pope in his puncey Toyota Pope-Mobile. How can anybody take him serious as he goes on with stupid things like “I sat in this car” crap so it must be good spin doctor theories. He cannot apoligise to ANDREW M as he called him a lier and he cannot get his head around some things (BULLETPROOF RELIABILITY).

    Man you are a funny f*ck

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOYA PAUL just cruises around websites like some, he is easy to pick and he comments, stirs up comment and then goes. DEMENTURE PAUL & JBOT – YOU BRAINDEADS… remember you said builders get 30,000PA. Then the way you tossers tried to defend yourself. ANDREW M was onto you tossers stupidity as well. Iam making close to double that on a 1x 202m2 house and I get contractors to do it. I dont do the work either.

    Must be whooping it up standing at back exhaust pipe looking red faced plugging away on Toyota Tossing! Watch it Paul you will go blind!

  • Bavarian Missile

    I thought BMW was going after world domination by 2012 in the luxry car market…….seems like Toyota want the rest by making anything they can grab a market share of…..stay tuned for a Prius wagon………..cant wait!!!!

    Cobra045 and I may stop being HOs for a HO for one of those..mmm nice!

  • jbot

    “Naughtyius Maximus”, “Colonel Klink” “Roberto”, “guy that changes his name because he embarrases himself so often”, I seriously doubt anyone could take you seriously. You just have to look at your comments on any post to see that you are more than a bit odd.

  • http://www.importjap.com/blog ImportJap

    I am still at a loss as to why softroader 4WD’s like the RAV4 and CR-V have become so large. RAV4 should be a little 4cyl, 4WD jobbie. I thought that was why people liked it.

  • jbot

    For the record maximus, I never said builders earnt 30K p.a. I simply informed you that on average engineers do that little bit better than builders.

  • Tonyn

    oh yeah sign me up now for a prius wagon!!! hehehe…

    i can remember a report from a motoring magazine and it went sort of like this ” the prius was that bad i throw a match down its fuel tank….. only it wouldnt have enough fuel to blow the thing up” i rolled on the floor laughing!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    You do not need to convince me Jbot as you did state what I say. Like Andrew M suggested I think you have to work out what a licensed builder is versus a carpenter. You seem to be revisiting the stupidity of your last comment here stating on average engineers do a little bit better then builders. Ummmmm take the word builders out and in its place put carpenter! I seriously doubt anyone takes you serious as you and Toyota Paul only have a life around cars! LOL builders comment of yours. And you study????

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Even your defence when I queried you and Paul that time says something about what you are both lacking! Pair of wallies!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Will send you the link via email Tonyn…….nice little swap for an Audi..hahaha

    Not as funny as Billy Bob shooting it to death on Top Gear!!

  • jbot

    maximus find the quote.. i think you will find it was paul

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Jbot… refer second last comment of yours! You cannot answer that. Comment on cars only or try to find substance outside of cars!

    Getting back to topic why did Toyota make the smaller Klugger? Seems to be tad wrong and arrogant for volume! Shame there reliability is waning more then a tad!

  • wogboy

    quotes from wheels nov 07 edition

    toyota 22.4% total sales….only 62,563 sales ahead of holden lmao

    holden 14.4%

    rest my case

    toyota can stop selling a majority of their cars and you know what probably be ahead of ford and holden

    also….do you see on a current affair or today tonight ….toyota or any jap or euro manufacturer get hammered like ford or holden when it comes to lemon cars?

    rest my case

    you can take the mickey out of toyota but at the end of the day they are no 1 and probably will be for many yrs to come

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    WOGBOY…quote history itself, the number 1′s who have been at the top of the tree have fallen and Toyota are starting to show cracks. The reason they have success is range size…Holden has next best range size and then Ford. Live it up buddy boy as you would be foolish to think it won’t change! Dark horse is Hyundai! Toyota will find it hard to stay there!

  • Tonyn

    hehehe… ive just cancelled my audi…. just cant keep my eyes off a prius wagon!! hehehehe…. i had a civic hybrid and wanted to burn it!

    Wogboy, just cause they sell more doesnt mean there any better, and im sure all motor manufacturers have appeared on today tonight!!! there usually used cars that end up on today tonight and to be honest, you dont know there past history, or if the customer had done something to it… to be honest current affair and today tonight dont hear both sides to the story so take that with a grain of salt…

    Were not taking the mickey out of toyota, merely the people who cant see past the fact they are just slipping slightly…

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    LOL! HAHA! :D Suck sh*t Paul! Toyota so reliable?

    Toyota paul is such an arsehole! First he said toyota is more reliable than a Ford Falcon, then said Falcon are just as reliable. :| WHAT NEXT?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Wogboy sounds abit off there too!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Great call Tonyn, couldnt agree more. Your dealing with the issue is spot on.

    TOYOTA TOSSERS – you just won’t get through to them! If someone says something then we get told Ford Fairies! Like hello Iam not an out and out Ford supporter and also what happened to the patriotic “BUY AUSTRALIAN” support we should all go down as you really are UN-AUSTRALIAN on buying local!

    Well maybe listen to Mitsuo Kinoshita and get off the sinking ship as few cracks starting to show up just as he says!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    WOGBOY – be patriotic and “BUY AUSTRALIAN” cars…LOL, you AUSTRALIAN???? You have a citizenship, last night watched BORDER SECURITY, and every day another one tries to illegally stay here and well, you know… I gotta ask with your name are you an alien!!!!

  • Toyota Paul

    Maximus yeah its range size hahaha… the reason why they are in a position to offer that range size is because of their sucess in prior years, due in part to their famous reliability. Proven by surveys of customers and industry figures alike. Meanwhile your Ford and Holden have failures of 60% of vehicles sold within the first 5 months… the marks of a distinct lack of quality and above all, reliability.

    Andrew.M no I didnt mention Holden to deflect the issue, that was just provided as an example of how great the locals are. You mention engine design being the reason behind a stop of production unlike the local problems with fuel leaking (not that major I spose….. just something flammable leaking) well despite my disagreement with this I will fight fire with fire, what about the early LS engines? Piston slaping… oil consumption -> design problems. As far as I know they didnt stop production for it did they? And that wasnt a isolated incidnet like TRD, that was all engines.

    Bavarian umm I did admit already that they are slipping, I dont know why you are saying i must admit it given this. But the fact remains, even with this, they are still number 1, they still shyte all over the locals in reliability and they still have 20 years of reliability to fall back on.

    Trackdaze as I already said, how can you say its related to the engine and 200kw with 9.9L when the Aurion, Kluger and Tarago which all have the same engine havent had issues!!? That sounds so ilogical its not funny. Its clearly related to the application; supercharger being added to it for TRD and an all new platform for Rav6.

  • Tonyn

    toyota paul….

    enough with the 60% of fords back, that has to be utter bulls#$t…. and are you talking about majour problems or just rattles and squeaks? causeif your talking minor rattles an squeaks well trust me toyota are just as bad…. as i have mentioned i have been a manager at a toyota dealership and have had to listen to all the customers whinging…. which i will say is no different whichever the manufacturer…. i have worked with a few…

    I think at the end of the day it is showing toyota are rushing into things, and they dont have to, i cant figure out why… there market leaders!

    At the end of the day… if fords are so unreliable, why would over 80% of rental, taxi and limosine companies choose them. I can assure you ive seen camrys as taxis and at 800,000 klms both cars had been to hell and back… but the ford was more resiliant… dont get me wrong, the toyota held up, but i know which one drove better at the end of it…. and trust me it was not the camry… but again its my opinion…. but those industrys depend on reliability and they wouldnt buy a ford if it wasnt… would they?

  • Toyota Paul

    1. It isnt BS, its fact… this isnt me saying it, its an independent survey. Ford and Holden were equal last in reliability. It used all problems, however the most major were engine problems!

    2. Thats your opinion, Ive heard countles more stories of them running perfectly. I myself own one with many kms on it, no squeaks or rattles. Do you not think in your role of manager at dealership that you would experience all the negative cases where people raise hell compared to those where people are happy and dont have to come to your dealership? Come’on use abit of sense, just because you have people coming in doesnt mean that the percentage without problems wasnt higher! In the meantime, I will go off the official figures.

    3. I agree they are rushing things, TRD was a prime example… they should have took their time on that one.

    4. They choose them for various other factors, most obvious is that as a business etc they want to be seen as Australia, some people geuinately think rocking up to a client etc in a Japanese vehicle might provide the wrong impression. On top of this, often a choice will only be provided for Australian brands. Furhtermore, in the case of Taxis, which I would say are the predominant amount of those 80%, they need a large car which can easily take 5 passengers, Falcons are larger and they do have more torque which helps it alittle (Not that the Aurion is bad in this department, but obviously it has more which is an adv). Lastly and of most importance is the next factor which you fail to consider, price. For all we know Ford offer competitive prices and obviously that is going to capture a business who may well be unaware of their lack of reliability etc.

    5. Ive spoken about this before, Taxis aernt great examples of reliability. There are various factors which help Taxis to get many kms:

    * Most engine wear occurs at startup, Taxis for the most part have their engines running constantly
    * City driving is another issue which is worse for wear (having to acclerate from standstill puts lots of strain on the engine), given Taxis operate at night they would accumulate a fair few kms in clear traffic

    Now I know this from experience, a friend had a Commodore which got to 500,000kms because it had MANY trips from Sydney to Brisbane… less cold starts and highway driving puts a great deal less wear on an engine. So you will find that not many cars in general make 800,000kms when owned for prviate purposes for these very reasons. Regardless your reports seem to conflict what I hear, I frequent Toyota forums obviously and there are MANY stories of Camrys making 600,000kms and stil running new… from prviate use… without desirable conditions such as highway driving. It is fact Toyotas are more relaible, it is ridiculous disputing this; surveys, studies, figures etc etc etc reflect this. Am I to belive all these indepdent tools which reflect the same results…Toyota has the best relaibilty… are wrong? HARDLY

  • Mike

    Toyota Paul, you really must have a learning impediment.

    It has been stated time and time and TIME again to you that YES Toyoata does have higher reliability, but the gap is not as large as you make out…

    YET YOU CONTINUE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO SAY:
    “It is fact Toyotas are more relaible, it is ridiculous disputing this; surveys, studies, figures etc etc etc reflect this. Am I to belive all these indepdent tools which reflect the same results…”

    NOONE IS DISPUTING YOU, YET YOU CONTINUE TO COMMENT ON AN UNRELATED POINT TO THE ONE BEING DISCUSSED!!

    Have your parents kicked you out of home yet?? They must be sick to death of you!!

  • golfschwein

    For all those accusing others of dementure…it’s dementia.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Paul ,I didn’t read you admitting that on this post sorry ,I must have missed it…I have given up entering the normal Toyota bashing posts . Was just trying to ask you when have Toyota had so many recalls in a year……what is reason for the decline ? Do you like ALL Toyota’s cause you come across as you can see no bad in them,if you do then you must compare them to another manufacturer that you feel is inferior to Toyota for some reason or another! I am sure if you backed off a bit on your posts on Toyota’s people wouldn’t come down on you like a ton of bricks!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Mike keep preaching as your views are right…remember you are talking to the Pope as his views are above all.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, WTF is that survey? You made it up. Only Things that look like humans like Toyota and go on against both Ford & Holden.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    That Toyota rooter, paul is abit quiet latey because it has no agument.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    I think he is sleeping in his Toyota in his parents driveway as sore from getting up close on personal with his Toyota exhaust with all his Toyota Tossers. Maybe he should halt the queue and get it out of his system. LOL he is a funny f*ck!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    The Toyota tosser here said…
    “I go quiet because I dont spend 24/7 on the PC.”

    You did once, with the first time you went on about reliablity. You trying to make everyone here look bad. So whos the idiot now?

  • Chaser

    naughtyius maximus, okhay lets read that again and think exactly how old this ‘person’ is.

    read his last comment and again, how old is he? (it?)

    So what if Toyota had an issue, which motor brand hasn’t? you and all you others who are bagging out on this Toyota reliability bs.. even with these issues, they are still ahead of Holden and Ford.. one good example, the work/resources/research going into hybrid cars.. mock them all you want, but they do make a difference and they definately are picking up figures in terms of sales worldwide. Whats Holden or Ford done in terms of research for better, more efficent engines or hybrid technology?

    Bathurst, Championship etc who the fuck cares? talk F1 where there’s some serious engineering put in and some ‘real’ driving involved. What were all you Holden and Ford fanbois doing when Nissan Skylines were dominating ? what were the excuses then?

    You want to see the proper range of Toyotas? go visit Japan or Asia, where they have awd, rwd varients ..

    “WOGBOY – be patriotic and “BUY AUSTRALIAN” cars…LOL, you AUSTRALIAN???? You have a citizenship, last night watched BORDER SECURITY, and every day another one tries to illegally stay here and well, you know… I gotta ask with your name are you an alien!!!!”

    >> and wtf did your ancestors come here as eh? just think about that before you ever call someone an alien.

  • Toyota Paul

    Mike yes personal insults, I would put it to you that you are the ones with problems… I have to restate these things over and over again because there are people who are disputing what I say, that Toyota are reliable. Furthermore your comment that ‘Toyota isnt as far ahead’ is another example of your lack of grey matter, for the most part we are comparing Toyota v Ford:

    Toyota : 75% of cars dont have problems
    Ford : 40% of cars dont have problems

    This isnt a big gap? Indeed I have the learning impediment… looks like you need to learn the facts before attacking people.

    Bavarian unfortunately I have to come across as I do when you have people going into articles and attacking Toyota in ridiculous areas such as reliability, as seen here. Ive stated I dont like some Toyota’s; Prius, TRD, Rav6 etc. I dont think Ive seen many of the Ford camp EVER knock Fords. Im biased, but many people here who attack me for this very reason should look at themselves in the mirror… abit like Myke and his learning impediment, think before you comment.

    Going Ford, Is the Going thing another personal insulter and obvious Ford fairy, I dont have to make you people look bad… your comments do the job for me! As for the link, copy and paste this ebcuase if I link it the moderator crap will come up:

    drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=39115&IsPgd=0

    I dont talk shyte like you and your Ford fairies, you can quite clearly see your beloved Ford performs like a POS… quite funny seein the Territory, Focus and Falcon, all vehicles you Ford Faries rate so highly, as being some of Fords WORST performers…. so the WORST vehicles of the WORST manufacturer LOL! Meanwhile Kluger and Prado are top of the one class, Camry is top of its class and most other Toyotas aernt to far off the top! Fords highest? 57% LOL. Toyotas highest? 75%. This ones to you Mike, abit of a difference? Idiot. Mind you I can hear the defence now… its short term. Unfortunately if you have problems within 5months that doesnt pay a great picture for the longer term, not to mention other surveys highlight Toyota is still NUMBER 1 in reliability over longer periods, with another survey conducted over 10 years highlgihting this.

    I will repeat, Ford fairies, eat your humble pie…Toyota reigns supreme while Ford remains at the bottom of the pack.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    So now the Toyota tosser goes on saying Ford is the worst. WHAT NEXT?

    Toyota Paula, Ford is not at the back of the pack, you need to eat some humble pie. Toyota is not Australian as a Ford Falcon or Territory. What country are you from? Hate Australian products then shut-the-F***-up!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    If that “Toyota Paul” wanker does live in Australia, it should go and move to Japan where Toyota comes from, if it hates Australia so much. Trying to make us hate Australian products, no wonder we not as reliable.

  • Mike

    Tosser, Taint Taster Paul… this one’s for you ;)

    http://www.varoomvroom.com/toyota-fixing-600000-sienna-doors-but-its-not-a-recall-mind-you-13840

    Does this sound like an ethical thing to do?? Call a recall a “warranty enhancement”?!?!

    Enjoy :D

  • Andrew M

    well firstly toyota isnt number 1 in reliability.
    toyota has a better track history but they are not #1.
    try being politically correct for starters.

    oh any old excuse to play down the fact that taxis use fords.
    tonyn has said he has seen both toyotas and fords run under the same conditions and the ford still faired better.
    also whats with this running at night rubbish? mate taxis dont only run at night. most will run during peak hour!! yep the worst conditions as you put it.

    gee you are a shite stirrer. fords are not the worst manufacturer. how do you sum that up? because of some survey? well dont forget fords excell in other departments.
    have you taken a look at safety yet?
    mate ive pointed out to you before that the history of fords show they are a much safer car than toyotas.
    ford has 5 or so vehicles that top their class for safety yet toyota has a FAT *0*
    so to put it in your speak….
    would you rather visit the hospital more frequently or the service centre?

    i got $50 bucks that Paul has no comment on the fords safety history as he keeps skipping over it again and again

    mate you keep clinging to your “reliability toyotas perception” thing cause its all you got.

    you know how “Radar” out of M.A.S.H. goes to bed clinging to his teddy? well Paul goes to bed clinging to his survey. dont be hard on him its all he has

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Good link there, looks like Toyota is not that good after all…

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I don’t need that **** Paul, I need the facts, thanks!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Gee, ummm, ooooh yeah crikey ha ha Radar clone wally he is(now that is to funny as I wipe away the many tears in my eyes as laughing loudly)… he also has his Toyota Tosser exhaust pipe when his survey is stuck to his blanket to give that a good plug. Should be stiff competition from his other cohort dick Toyota Tossers – better be a local made exhaust pipe Paulie as you must support MADE IN AUSTRALIA – like dont they teach you that in uni!

    T=towed
    O=often
    Y=yet
    O=often
    T=traded
    A=again

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
    LOL! GOOD ONE KLINK!!!

  • swes

    wtf, naughtyius maximus, the whole exhaust pipe is getting a bit old don’t you think.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    ANDREW M… on behalf of the TPTC movement (Toyota Paul Tosser Club) may I say sorry for Toyota Paul calling you a lier and getting wires crossed about bulletproof reliability. He is good value and gets some good shit across, but after coming back from Cairns I was stunned to read the ass clown puppeteering he had become. When I read his posts I think of a 23yr old bald kid with black framed thick lensed glasses wearing clothes like Borat reading surveys after uni and knowing he has all the info at hand. The only trouble is his hand slips! LOL…………….

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    SVEN well maybe nudge Paul out as he is hogging it. Gee mate, just give him a nice smile and a tap on the shoulder and Iam sure you will get your slice of the action mate.

    Gee SVEN like we get sick of hearing the crap you guys go on with Toyota Tosser Talk so gee get over it!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Trouble is we admit Toyota is where Ford and Holden where, you tossers are so caught up in Toyota that you dont listen we admit Toyota is near top… FOR NOW!

  • swes

    calm down honey, i also think toyota is slipping a bit

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Honey…gee golly mate, ummm der Iam a guy and don’t believe in that.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    SVEN like introduce yourself to Toyota Paul if you are like that…LOL

  • Chaser

    you’re getting a little childish and dragging it out in an obnoxious way maximus.. I mean ok I’m sure the forum gets your view .. leave yourself atleast some dignity..

  • jbot

    I agree Chaser, but Maximus does it in every one of the articles he comments on, so unfortunately I don’t think it will be ending soon. Maybe time for another name change Maximus? haha

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    No not every one BOT boy. Maybe you like a guy saying honey to you and not me!

  • swes

    ;)

  • Chaser

    lol – this is funny :D

    you know what maximus (lights go dark) – keep up the humour you have going on – really makes it the whole more different reading the review lol

  • Andrew M

    hey i got a question from left field……

    how do lights go dark? i know they can go “out” but dark?
    do they emmitt some sort of black light?

    i know what you meant though it is a common phrase but if you stop and think…..well….. does it make sence

  • swes

    lol, i went straight to the comments section when i saw toyota! hell, they might be slipping in reliability but they aren’t slipping in the entertainment department.

    AM – i spose they could dim for effect?

  • swes

    “lights go dark” could also be a headlight issue on a certain car….

  • Chaser

    you’re right Andrew , woops

    “lights go out and stage goes dark” , I mean that name , “MAXIMUS” it just has like its own background music happening with it lol :D

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    CHASER…. yo so howz your postings different to mine von cobber. Does not make a great read!

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    Chas from The Chaser’s War On Everything?

  • Guy UK boy

    YOU’RE ALL COMPLETLY NUTS….GO BACK AND READ IT..

  • Steve

    Edaw Says:
    October 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    This one has got me stumped. They have been stuffing that engine into the Rav4 for 18 odd months in the US and as soon as the steering column changes sides the problems begin.

    You would be surprised at how many issues this brings when cars are designed a certain way for a particulay market and then the steering wheel has to change sides. It actually does pose a great deal of problems. Obvious here.

    But I don’t think that’s the cause of the issues. I think their quality is slipping.

    But it’s like Apple computers these days. They use to make great machines that would last and last and last. Then they grew and started to see that supply was less than demand. Increasing supply brought on lower quality. Now it’s to the point where some DOA, out of the box hardware failure is acceptable.

    In one way it appears this is happening to Toyota, with the exact opposite effect on Hyundai (Go the underdog!). And in the end it comes down to bad electronics. Which coincidentally has nothing to do with Toyota, of course.

    Steve

  • Corolla Driver

    Once again, i am fully with TOYOTA PAUL, my family have 3 corolla’s… all 3 parked in our garage right now… 2005 and 2006 models…. no problems.

    just cause 3 problems have come up this year, is only because they have introduced so many new models this year, and well didnt do well in making sure they go as well as before, but they are still number, the effect of this will be minimal on their sales… people will still buy their camrys and their v4 RAV4′s… Toyota… 4 life.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    It seems Toymotor Paul wants us to hate Australia. Paul, we get the point, now shut-up!

    …It hasn’t been here for a long time, hope that **** never comes back.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Look whos back on the ‘SEMA Pontiac G8′ Section, it’s the crap slogan wanker.

  • Tonyn

    Paul,
    I have just read that article, yeah agree with you on some part…. in NO PART OF THAT ARITCLE did it say anything about for or holden engines being un reliable… so enough with that… with TRD aurion and rav i think you should stay clear of the engine debate….

    Why wouldnt you use the taxis as an example…

    Yes as a manager at a dealership i do hear a lot of negative comments, but when i had 4 brands under one roof you get a good idea of products….

    In that survey, toyota were ranked about fourth i think over all, and there was only one class where they topped the class, so what are you trying to get at there….

    toyota paul, im not trying to bag toyota product, i have owned many toyota products, but you clearly have holes in your story…. You keep calling us ford faries for backing up ford product but at the end of the day your doing the same and getting upset about it. im sure your a nice bloke but you sure do have a one sided opinion! im just tryint to justify that the pedistal you put toyota on should be reserved for something a little more special, and lexus doesnt count! and im not saying ford and holden deserve it either.

    In the end that drive survey ranked mazda, suzuki, honda and nissan in front of toyota, so has it already lost its crown of reliability?

    the taxi thing is a perfect example, and you can get a taxi in the city peak hour these days…. and you can no longer buy a taxi pack falcon, but you can in fact buy a taxi pack aurion and camry…. so which would be cheaper for a cabbie to buy? your research is very poor before you comment.

    I dont want to put you down but you just need to open your eyes, i have never totally bagged a toyota product, just offered my critisicm… but you do need to own up to the fact they are not the mighty company you are making them out to be!

  • Steven A

    NOT SURPRISED AT ALL. TOYOTA IS A GREEDY COMPANY THAT WANTS TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD. THEIR STANDARDS ARE SLIPPING DUE TO THIS PERSUIT AND THAT THEY SIMPLY WANT TO BE THE WORLDS BIGGEST CAR MANUFACTURER INSTEAD OF BEING THE BEST IS EVIDENT IN THEIR INCREASING GROWING WORLD WIDE RECALLS. THEIR 3.5LTR V6 IS A ENGINEERING DISASTER JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN. LETS SEE IF THE WORLD WILL CONTINUE TO FORGIVE THEM OR PUNISH THEM WITH DECREASED SALES.

    OH WHAT A FEELING . . . yeah right!

  • Reckless1

    Toyota Paul, previously Paul, is a rare type of person.

    I’ll explain. Most of us get born knowing nothing, and we learn very fast when very young, and then our learning rate slows down as we get older. Eventually, at around 80 years, most of us cease to learn any longer, since there’s no real point – the debating group has shrunk to being solo or in a very small group in the home.

    That’s normal people – now Paul has repeatedly shown that he has swallowed some Corporate Toyota Pie, and since then he has stopped learning. It’s easy to tell really, since his comments are always exactly the same. New facts offered by others are ignored.

    So he’s either 80 years old, or retarded.

    I’m guseeing the latter :)

  • Reckless1

    That’s guessing :)

    Oh, and GM has regained the top crown in sales recently. So Toyota is not a clear leader at number 1 in sales, the mighty GM is always there. And GM has its worst cyclical woes behind it, Toyota is on the downslide, its worst woes are still ahead.

  • Andrew M

    1 thing i noticed from pauls piece of “evidence” is that these “industry experts” even question the accuracy of what the study represents.
    they say they fear that it puts across false perceptions and does not reflect the whole picture

  • Tonyn

    yeah i dont trust that article…. when no one is claming to support it…. if it was such a great tool all the top manufacturers would be using it….

    I have to say it rates Volkswagen highly and i worked with VW for five years and never heard so many complaints and warranty notices, so im taking it with a grain of salt!!!

  • Toyota Paul

    Going Ford, is Going Thing :

    What kind of credibility do you have child? Don’t you ever dare attack my patriotism again as well you little f*cker… this has nothing to do with being patriotic, Ford and Holden are AMERICAN COMPANIES. Toyota does more for this economy not only with Australian operations (which includes a lot of sponsorship of Austalian events… and of course employment for Aussies) but also 70% of vehicles exported which provides jobs both for Australians employed by Toyota and those in the export industry here. You don’t bring this ‘Japan vs Australia’ BS into this argument, because its pure drivel child.

    Andrew.M:

    1. No twister, your really starting to p*ss me off with this constant argument and lies when your totally wrong. Internationally Toyota are number 1 (this link below is the 10 year survey I have alluded to, another conclusive piece of evidence I have provided while you back your comments up with…. Other Ford fairy posters……):

    theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22614731-26017,00.html

    In Australia they aernt number 1, but then again the top pack is very close… Ford and Holden are nowhere near it.

    2. No Taxis are a piss poor example. Yes they run in some bad conditions, but they also run in the best. And as I said engine wear mostly occurs at start up, even under city traffic, with oil running through the engine its still causing less wear then the initial cold start up. Taxis per km would have less cold start ups. Im putting this in basic terms, Im sure you can get your head around this. Its ridiciulous as well, Ive already shown you evidence that Ford at the very best aernt as reliable as Toyota, yet you continue to fight it. DEAL WITH IT!!!!

    3. Lol yes because a Survey…. That’s kinda more relevant then your biased opinion saying Ford are reliable! On safety pfft none of them are that great in safety, its clutching at straws saying this. When I think I safe affordable cars the only brand is Subaru, 5 stars across the range… boxer engine which sits low and collapses down on impact, engine mounts which break off in impact and I believe a pillar made from a strong material which the jaws of life cant cut through! Ford meanwhile don’t use these kind of technologies, they don’t even have curtain airbags yet! Give me $50 now. And just to mention, stop trying to change what this is about, its about reliably not safety… . a sign that you know your losing the argument? Hell yes!

    4. I aint clinging to anything…. Ive mentioned the engine argument, Im not sure if you replied to my post showing how Toyotas have been decent in power for a while now, with the Aurion continuing this trend. The only area they have Toyota in is handling, but as Ive said, MOST people don’t buy a car because it handles like a race car on a street… they see quality and reliability as being far more important issues. What worth is handling when 60% of the Falcons sold are back at the dealership with 5 months? Ha!

    5. And your last comment… lets try to attack the results credibility again but say our own biased opinion is right… pleeeease Im getting tyred of it. There are literally 100s of studies conducted over many years which reflect Toyota as the most reliable. They are all wrong? Really its getting ridiculous now…. The indepdent surveys are wrong while the likes of yourself, NM, Ford etc are right… based on your biased opinion. Listen to yourself.

    NM:

    For the sake of society, get back onto your medication… you would have to be one of the most twisted individuals I have ever known judging by your incoherent posts. As jbot highlights this is what, your 5th name change? You just keep embaressing yourself no matter what name you use. Leave for good, do us all a favour, including your ford fairies who you bring down to your level.

    Tonyn:

    Some Fair comment… I know in that survey Toyota wasn’t number one, but there was daylight between them and Ford, which is the argument at hand. Maybe you haven’t read them, but this whole reliability arugment came about when you ford fairies claimed Ford were alright in relaibilty and Toyota wasn’t great… and only had a “perception” of reliability. I think Ive proven this to be a lie, Fords highest performer was at 57% of vehicles not havin problems, which is pitiful, while Toyotas was 74%. They did top 2 categories, Camry in the medium car and Kluger in SUV (Prado was second behind it!). Meanwhile the fords all you people rate so highly; focus, falcon and territory, were among their worst performers while the Toyota camps favourites; Camry, Kluger and Corolla, performed well! As for taxi example no, I mentiond in this post above why they are a bad example, Taxis might look great as an example of reliability ‘oh 600,000kms’… but most wear occurs at start up, I guarantee if their was a study which meansure cold starts up per km, they would be among the least, which is why they get so many kms. I even provided an example of a friend, go a Commodore to 500,000kms because they drove long distance per trip… mind you the car was faaarked at this point, meanwhile I know of Camrys which make this under normal conditions and run like new!

    Reckless1:

    That is very rich coming from you. The problem here with you idiots is your trying to say Im the one who needs to learn… when its you twats that Im trying to teach!!! Ive said Toyota are reliable, what is there for me to learn form this… that they are not? That isn’t learning, that’s getting dumber…. Ive provided evidence they are in fact very reliable while your Ford is very unreliable. Where is the credible evidence from the Ford camp? Nothing. Your trying to make it look like Im losing this argument, when clearly Im the only one providing support for my opinion while the Ford camp only state their own biased opinion. In court they call this heresay… it is useless for very good reasons!

  • Toyota Paul

    Tonyn are you kidding… these are INDUSTRY FIGURES, the whole point is that the car companies give this information to the survey company so they can use them!! The uproar has been that these previously confidential figures have now been made public. THERE IS NO REDUCING THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS. Deal with it.

  • Ross

    Exactly Andrew M.

    I actually did raise the point you just mentioned previously, but no-one really commented on it. Toyota Paul will refute what you just said vehemently! He may be at Uni, but he still has not been taught to critically analyse things (I.e. think for himself). Even though the “industry experts” who collate this information and question the REAL accuracy of it, Toyota Paul will inevitably harp on about Toyota is the most reliable etc etc even though that’s not what we are discussing here…

  • Tonyn

    mate… wouldnt car companys use this…. even if it is internal within dealers??? my point is i have never heard of this ac neilsen survey in the 7 years i have had in the motor industry.

    I even rang people i know within Ford, Volkswagen and mitsubishi and they have never heard of such a report, not at all.

    It all seems a bit suss when even highly rated companys in this so called survey wont admit to it…

    Some companys dont even use ac neilsen to conduct there surveys… so why would you use this as evedence…. im not dismissing it but it hardly seems credible…

    i will repeat this cause it seems it doesnt get through, and ive tried to reason with you…… i have no doubts toyotas reliability is brilliant, but it is not as good as it was…. can you deal with that?? im not saying ford is brilliant either, i can deal with that, im happy to admit that, and trust me i think they are working harder than ever to get back to the top spot they had for a long time… you write off all the points we bring up and cling to one report that suggests things…. and even the manufacturers are not admitting to giving info about this report… and i think … in my opinion its not worth the five minutes i spent reading it, to be honest, it rates suzuki as second, and if we go off what you are saying, i have seen very little suzukis that last to 500,000 and be like brand new, so does that make them rubbish? i will deal with any comment you have to throwat me, but at the end of the day, i think you have to deal with the fact that toyota is slipping in terms of reliability, and nomatter how you try to sugar coat it thats the facts.

    I dont think ford is getting any better, but it sure aint getting worse, and i am happy to admit that…. so i can deal with all the facts you present… but i still dont think that makes them credible….

    Have you ever bought a BRAND NEW car? i know from experience, when these surveys are done a lot of customers complain about things like the fuel tank can only hold 66.9 not 67 litres as stated… so most problems in ALL manufacturers are stupid issues that should never be brought up….

  • Toyota Paul

    Ive mentioned previously they are slipping Tonyn, if you had read all my posts you would see this… all Im saying is that they are still at the top and still waaay in front of Ford both in Australia and internationally. As for new car my parents have, I know some surveys are sus but this one conducted… I find it hard to beleive you can attack its credibility. Perhaps at the dealership you never heard of it because the higher up at Toyota deal with these issues… I dont know, but I think its clutching at straws saying this is essentially a conspiracy and isnt fact.

  • Tonyn

    Geez paul….
    Im not saying its a consperacy im just saying to me it doesnt sound right that all manufacturers are denying or not talking about the report…. it cant be that credible…

  • Ross

    Exactly Tonyn.

  • Andrew M

    Paul right noe i only ask for 1 thing because it seems to hard for you to juggle more than 1 concept.

    mate show me (using links/times/dates) where i have said fords have a better reliability record than toyotas.

    i have shown you again and again where you have overstated or exaggerated the facts yet you still call me the liar. mate i have proven i am not lying about what i quote you on yet you keep denying it

  • Andrew M

    Paul,
    mate if you say “heresay” wont stand up in court then you must realise that “INCONCLUSIVE” evidence wont either

  • Mike

    Hehe what else would he be getting a whiff of under mummy’s skirt? :D

  • 280zx

    Speaking of skirts Bavarian Sausage is very quite?? Maybe she is stuck in the new Aurion because the door handle broke or something….

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hate skirts 280zx……Trying to catch up on some work, you missing me 280zx???hahaha

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Smelling something with a cigar like object and survey notes in hand on what to do….LOL that guy is a loser. Just watch what he says like I have as he cannot remember (DEMENTIA KICKING IN SOLID) calling Andrew M a liar and I was on that post! He only knows cars based on his car and sitting in them or what he reads on god knows what website. Hope what websites he vists it is not R Rated as he will faint.

  • 280zx

    Yayyyy their she is! You dont like skirts hmmmmm you dont wear overalls do you?? and stand there with a can of coke and a sausage roll in your hand looking at someones Toyota saying ” Yeeeeeeup she’s knackered” LOL

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahahaha…I am trying to picture myself as you suggest and now cant stop cracking up!!!!!!!! Ahhhh that got rid of some Asian stress placed on me this morning!Feeling much better now!

    Naaaa I don’t wear overalls,drink leaded Coke and rarely eat a sausage roll { too many calories}!

    I am more of a jeans & t-shirt {bra required under}champagne and smoked salmon girl that loves a good 6 speed knob in my hand and plenty of torque under my right stiletto! hahahaha

  • jbot

    Lucky we have you around Maximus! I’m assuming you have test driven every car you have commented on then??

  • 280zx

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Ouch ! just fell off my chair and smashed my head on the filing cabinet..

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha ha ha 280zx,
    ah i just got the mental picture too. lucky im working in my bathroom at the moment cause i nearly pissed myself

  • Bavarian Missile

    Seems everyone is in good form today!

    I hope your not lying down on the job 280zx, hows the filing cabinet??No dents?

    You still working in the bathroom…..putting the sheeting up now are we? I bet Andrews wearing overalls…..hehehe ! Certainly hope hes not in stilettos again !

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha no i dont wear stilettos!!! (well not since i twisted my ankle in them anyway)

    im cooking up a couple of snags though he he he
    my car is in at ford getting a service at the moment and i am not to keen to walk down the road to get it. i might wait till the other half gets home he he he he

  • Bavarian Missile

    I guess you didn’t get a loaner car then!!!!!
    Good to see you have stopped calling her the “MISSES”

    Is she expecting her bathroom finished when she gets home from work??

    Hope you don’t dress up in her underwear when shes at work!!

    I had better behave my Dads watching Caradvice at the moment! Asked him to enter the R/R comp….

  • Andrew M

    nah didnt get a loaner. they opend a brand spanker dealership up only down the road from my place at the start of the year. not far to go and i didnt really need a car today anyhow.
    im even getting it detailed. it was a pretty good price so im sceptical of how good a job it will be.

    the service on the other hand is far from a good price. are they ever from dealerships? oh and then they ring me and reccommend other things. “would you like your power steering flushed for $88? and would you like you A/C deodorised/sanitised for X$ ???

  • 280zx

    Shit stings like a bitch, hi sorry back again couldnt find a bandage for my head had to use one of ToyotaPauls nappys Looks great! Yeah thats funny Andrew M and “would you like the forlift holes in the panel bogged up” What the!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thats nothing our local BMW dealership offers German Air for your tyres !!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahaha just kidding!

    How about degrease your engine for $120…..under the bonnet of my car is clean enough to eat off so not sure what they were going to degrease?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Not sure I want a mental picture of that on your head 280zx…hahaha

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    No Bot boy cause Iam not that much of a losser tosser to sit in cars and then comment on cars and then spend every spare second cruising around drive websites and all the other ones – I have proven before that I also did that silly research and that ignoramus named TOYOTA PAUL just dismisses – why cause he is a MR KNOW-IT-ALL BRAINCELL! At this time when I quoted info back to Paul ANDREW M read my comments and said “GEE WHIZ YOU CAN BE SERIOUS AND COME UP WITH SOME GREAT STUFF” – like I could not be bothered going on with challenging him as I proved anybody can do it who has SPARE TIME! I do not have much spare time.

    Like Iam not disputing Toyota is kingpin, that is changing and they are more then a tad slipping!

  • Andrew M

    What the forklift holes arent standard?
    gee im a sucker he he he he he

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    If Toyota is sooooo goof, how come they have no hero car to tackle the WRX or Lancer EVO like a Supra???????? The previous model Celica GT4 was wicked – and they stop selling it here and maybe they realise high performance is a difficult car to get right (refer TRD debacle). And as for TOYOTA PAUL he just dodges info when thrown back at him as he is tooooooo self centred (FACT – He can comment about reliability slipping some few points with supply of a camshaft to Camry in USA, as that is why it reflected a bad JD Power rating. Yet in Australia, we have the recent TRD Aurion, Corolla and RAV4 V6 debacle three times worse then compared to USA stats and the idiot rearranges his mindset and now says those 3 f*ckups only mean a SLIGHT slip in reliability. Honestly Paul you are a deadset imbecile.

  • Mike

    May have already been posted… but…

    Toyota’s quality reputation suffers a glitch
    Christopher Jensen, The Sydney Morning Herald, 29/10/07

    America’s influential Consumer Reports magazine says Toyotas will no longer be automatically recommended after a Camry V6 and Tundra 4WD recorded disappointing reliability results, writes CHRISTOPHER JENSEN.

    For all its juggernaut progress in sales, Toyota’s quality is “showing cracks in its armour” and two of its most important models cannot be recommended for reliability reasons, a survey conducted by a powerful American magazine, Consumer Reports, has found.

    Published by the non-profit Consumers Union, the survey – which evaluated 1.3 million vehicles owned by subscribers – found that Toyota’s V6 Camry and new V8 4WD Tundra had enough problems that, despite their other virtues, the magazine said it could not recommend them.

    Toyota officials responded that the maker still dominated the magazine’s recommended vehicles (with 17 of the 39 models) and “overall this survey reflects well on our products”. An official said that the maker was constantly taking steps “to continue to sharpen quality and enhance customer satisfaction”.

    The study put Honda first in reliability, followed by its luxury brand, Acura. Then came Scion, Toyota’s youth brand. In descending order the others in the top 10 were: Subaru, Toyota, Lexus, Infiniti, Mitsubishi, Porsche and Buick.

    Overall the Asian brands are still on top, the magazine says, with Hyundai and Kia taking spots in the middle of the pack.

    The traditional domestic American car makers are also doing better with Ford taking the lead, the magazine said.

    Ninety-three percent of the Ford models were rated average or better than average in reliability. That compared to 49 per cent of General Motors’ models and 67 per cent of the Chrysler models. Ford ranked 13th in the survey of 36 brands, while Chrysler was 20th and GM 28th.
    The new survey means Toyota will no longer get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safety, the magazine says.

    “Because of these findings, Consumer Reports will no longer recommend any new or redesigned Toyota-built models without reliability data on a specific design. Previously, new and redesigned Toyota models were recommended because of the automaker’s excellent track record, even if Consumer Reports didn’t have sufficient reliability data on the new model,” the magazine says in a statement.

    The magazine says the most serious complaints on the US-built V6 Camrys were problems with the automatic transmission, brakes and squeaks and rattles. (In the Australian market Camrys and the V6 Aurion are locally made.) However, the Camry Hybrid and the four-cylinder Camrys are still recommended, the magazine says.

    TOYOTA PAUL – PLEASE NOTE:
    “Ninety-three percent of the Ford models were rated average or better than average in reliability.”

  • woz

    Yeah Toy-mota find it difficult to build a decent Grand Prix F1 car to (CAN’T WIN RACE’S). I think Toyota and Honda try to hard with no real world results, these manufacturer’s enter something blindly without pure performance, just like their so called overrated prodution car’s…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    WOW 1.3million surveyed that is a big pool to do survey – will be a tad better then what you base you criteria on TOYOTA PAUL.

    Who does this sound like —-

    Gee LOL you gotta be kidding… these are INDUSTRY FIGURES, the whole point is that the car companies give this information to the survey company so they can use them!! (like hello Paul how biased is that and how small a pool of people is that). You Ford Fairies dont understand the previously confidential figures have now been made public. And as for your USA figures – who cares! Deal with it.

    This says to me Paul that you are a self centred closet Toyota Obsessed Tosser and a bitter warped dumbo of the highest calibre.

  • woz

    TOYMOTA’S NEW SLOGAN OH WHAT A FU@K UP !!!!!!!!!!

  • 280zx

    I just knew Bavarian couldnt go more than two posts without mentioning BMW Oh now i said it bugger… Hi dad

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha 280zx my anti spam word was BMWM5………

    Time to pick up the baby Bavarian Sausages!!!!That would make them Bavarian Cocktails!! That could be a new drink….now what would I put in it!

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    TO Toymotor Paul…
    YOU ARE #1 D-HEAD EVER BEEN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND A HOLLOW SKULL WHO KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPROOKING ON ABOUT TOYMOTOR …. BEEN RELIABLE! YOU HAVE THE BEHAVUOR OF A 10 YEAR OLD THATS JUST BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY DUMBARSE PARENTS. NO, MAYBEY FROM A MENTAL WARD, HEY?

    Notice you haven’t been back yet…

  • Tara N

    Hey BM…. Just drove a brand new 335i convertable. Dam that’s a nice car. Got a nice sound to it too.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Wasnt he in that movie 40yrs old Virgin?

  • Toyota Paul

    Mike that is U.S… of course their reliablility has slipped their (Ive mentioned this) due to problems such as those experienced with the V6 Camrys transmission… problems which we didnt experience here in Australia. Same applies to Ford, the models are completely different for the most part. REGARDLESS what are you trying to prove? I linked an article showing…. Toyota is still number 1 in reliability over a 10 year study, Toyota is the number 1 manufacturing brand in the world, Toyota is in the top 10 brands of th world and of course the original article I linked which use industry figures. Fact is Toyota is reliable, which was the basis for this argument… people trying to dispute this. If you continue to dispite this fact, like NM, then Id recommend you get some help because its quite obvious they dont lack reliability and in fact have it all over Ford.

  • Toyota Paul

    driving-Fords-is-like-XXX… another twit who attacks peopele when they should have a listen to themselves. Your Ford is a POS buddy, 60% have to go back to the dealership within 5 months… driving-fords-is-like-driving-to-the-dealership-every-weekend

  • Azza

    Paul, shutup.
    At least Ford have the stability of being able to create a 6cyl engine without stuffing it up 3 times in the one year.
    Ford is a very reliable brand, sure enough they’ve had some models that have been absolute garbage, but what car company hasn’t? Just look at Toyota with the Aurion… absolute crap that is. Somewhere along the line Toyota will realise that having a V6 engine that powerful in a FWD model, isn’t going to work. I can understand that they are trying it out in their bigger models like the Kluga… etc. But Ford have done that too, they have the Falcon engine in the Territory… Thing about that is, Ford actually succeeded in maintaining the engine in the Territory.

    Toyota need to pull their thumb out and realise that car companies all over the world are catching up with them in reliability. They aren’t the high and mighty company they once used to be. And the Aurion engine is proof of that.

  • Toyota Paul

    Hhahaha yeah Azza you have a great deal of credibility, they really stuffed that Aurion up :|

    Possibly the dumbest person to comment here yet, dumber then NM!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “DRIVING-FORDS…” is right Paul and my ford don’t go back to the dealership every weekend like you keep saying.

    If you hate Australia so much, that go home losser. :P

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    Hey, ‘TORNMOTOR’ Paul!
    …idiot! LOL! :D

    You don’t even know my name, so i’m right! you’re 10!

  • Mike

    Toyota paul gives “Rusty Trombones” hahahahahah

    We can now call you “Rusty Trombone Toyota Paul” haha

    For those who do not know what a rusty trombone is look it up at http://www.urbandictionary.com

  • Andrew M

    ah paul you are back……..

    but where is this black and white proof that i have been going round saying fords have a better reliability history than toyotas??
    does this mean im not a liar?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, whats your point? You keep repeting the same thing all the time.

  • Toyota Paul

    The point? Geeeeezus we have people saying Im slow at learning, the point is Toyota are more reliabvle. Im trying to school you Ford fairies but I think Id have an easier job teaching special ed kids!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “reliabvle” WTF?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, you sound like a Special Ed kid yourself.

    Why do you keep saying “TOYOTA reliable” all the time, whats the point you want to get through to us? Because you haven’t told us yet!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Oh Paul and you spelt jesus wrong, it’s J_E_S_U_S not “GGeeeeezus”!

  • Toyota Paul

    Mate your not serious are you with that last correction (the first one was a TYPO)………..

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    HAHA! Looks like the idiot here can’t do anything other than TYPOs :P

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toyota Paul. You spread out ‘Jesus’ so much that it’s correct what I said.

  • Andrew M

    still looking for that quote paul?
    or may i be pronounced a non liar?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL… we know dumbo, but geepers you are deadset a puppet you pull the string on the back as you go on and on and on….we hear you mate!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Dont worry ANDREW M…….I was on post when dementia Paul was there. Shame he is only centred on himself! Silence on that issue is DEAFENING and you can hear that ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO Echo echo…..

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Or maybe he is a TOYOTA BORN AGAIN… Amen to that crap!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO ECHO…. CQCQ Toyota Pauly do you 10-4 ANREW M’s response, over….crackle crackle

  • Andrew M

    copy that NM no sign here either………over

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toyota Paul – call me a “little f*cker” you little F***head! You just said you’re a Special Ed kid and you DO hate Australian cars. You just can’t take the real life.

    “What kind of credibility do you have child? Don’t you ever dare attack my patriotism again as well you little f*cker this has nothing to do with being patriotic, Ford and Holden are AMERICAN COMPANIES. Toyota does more for this economy not only with Australian operations”

    Toyota is no where near Australian than Ford AUSTRALIA… TWIT!
    ALL TOYOTA STUFF IS NOT FOUNDED HERE, f***HEAD KID!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Prove your fact that toyota is more Aussie than Ford Australia, Paul ‘Palmer’.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Still thinking about what to say next Paul?

  • Toyota Paul

    Mate are you seriously retarded? You tell me ‘Geezus’ is mispelt and should be ‘Jesus’ and now your saying Ford is more Australian because its Ford Australia… riiiiight…. what the hell do you think Toyotas operations in Australia are called? Toyota Australia. What your having trouble grasping is that Ford is a U.S company, just like Toyota is a Japanese company… they are not Australian. As Ive highlighted, these days Toyota does more for Australia through employment, sponsorship and exports then the locals. So cut this ‘Ford is Aus’ crap, your coming across as a complete bogan.

    Andrew.M I dont intend to go searching, I dont care but you Ford fairies think, everyone else can make their own judgements… believe the person who supports his opinions constantly (me) or the person who constantly lies about his Ford being reliable etc (you.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Going Ford, Is The Going Thing…mate do not get over the top as he is irritating and painful and pisses lots off. Paul pushed my buttons once and I wanted to truly meet this wally and see what 4.5yrs of Zen Do Kai karate could do in 0.1 of a second of my time and over that as he is not worth acknowledging as he is a wuss…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Truly it pays just to let all be and walk away. We all at times piss each other off and we all mean well – just calm it down cobber hey!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Ha Ha Ha…8.30pm LOL……………….!

  • Toyota Paul

    More like seeing what 4.5 years of playing with yourself could do… you talk it up NM… as for Going Ford I think attacking my patriotism is pushing buttons, this little kid needs his mummy and daddy to give him a good clip behind the ears.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Paul, ummm FACT is what I stated second last post of mine! I have the injuries and belts to prove it! Means nothing except ONLY ever use when Iam attacked (FOR THE RIGHT REASON)!

    Your OK! Come up with some unreal digging on various websites which is cool!

  • tonyn

    you know what… im seriously sick of hearing this crap…. it doesnt matter what we say paul is going to say the opposite…. its like the ” i know you are so what am i” thing, after hearing it so much it gets annoying.

    I am now of this opinion, for and toyota face the same problem, everyone is too blind to see all manufacturers need improvment… toyota paul, i really cant see how youcan be so resilliant about toyota reliability after all these setbacks, no matter what a stupid paper servey that means nothing says.

    And it does mean nothing as you are the only one who uses this servey, even the manufacturers dont use it.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “riiiiight” …Paul you think i’m reatarded, you can’t even spell right!

    You need to get the FACTS through your head, I don’t ‘push buttons’ because I don’t touch guys like you do. Ford maybey an American company, but the Falcon and Territory are the most Australian cars on the market.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Too right tonyn, I asked Paul what the point is and it didn’t give a reason so he went on about more crap.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Paul…Zen Do Kai means all of everything – probbaly never heard of it. Katas learnt are ironhorse, 3 battles, rotating palms, lull before storm, lightning stikes twice, eye of the tornado – great for discipline and fitness especially when doing 100pushups regularly in one go and 100situps regularly in one go on blackbelt, not to mention sparring blindfolded. Scary shit! I did it for self defence and exercise. Some of those katas you do blindfolded and you go left and go right moving about in room every angle – you must end up at same spot on where you started!

  • Toyota Paul

    Tonyn did you go see Justin Timberlake tonight… one song you could relate to after seeing your last comment… CRY ME A RIVER. Ive stated a billion times now (people wander why I repeat myself) that there are hundreds of surveys out their all reflecting the same thing… they are all wrong? GET REAL MATE. I even linked one over a 10 year period which as Ive said, showed Toyota are slipping, but are still the leaders in reliability.

    Going Ford really I hope your joking with your typing corrections… surely your not that dumb?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Hey anybody find out what TOYOTA PAUL does for work when not at uni? Andrew M said he is a nurse??????

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    LOL… Geepers crikey, did TOYOTA PAUL watch Justin Timberlake. Ummm no he wouldn’t of watched it as male singer! Gee just thought would point out reality Paul. Why you watching him ?*&^@$!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Naughtyius Maximus! That kid by the name of Paul must love him self, so we hope his mummy and daddy kick him up the arse for that! Yuk Paul loves playing with him self, because he brought it up, so he loves it!

    Go NM! punish the spoilt brat! :)

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    LOL…….How the words go Paul, seems like you now song well? Do you wear a Timberlake shirt with heart shape above his name!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    “Going Ford really I hope your joking with your typing corrections surely your not that dumb?”

    You can’t even spell ‘Jesus’ or ‘right’. So whats your point?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Like Flashdance…hope he never wear legwarmers! Or should that be hand warmer?

  • Toyota Hater

    figured out ages ago Toyota-tosser Paul ignores anything that don’t match his info, however dodgy it may be.

    don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Surely he never has been to the NEVER RANCH of that other weirdo MICHAEL JACKSON? Yuk… wont go there as fag bigtime!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    F*ck…thats funny and in stitches laughing

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    You’re back Toyota_Hater! Finish that tosser here!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Hmmm yes I see the problem. It is vivid now. Must ask, ummm why do you know Justin Timberlakes song and what it is called? Regression therapy, this Toyota nut is proving hard to break!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Hope he never got his Toyota Pope Mobile sprayed pink… sounds like he drives the streets on Friday night parking outside Video Ezy and turning up his beloved Justin Timberlake full blast through his Toyota Clarion 2000000watts setup! Gee yuk, yuk!

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    Naughtyius Maximus(NOT KFC), Going Ford, Is The Going Thing & Toyota Hater V.S. Toyota Paul.

    WOW, I bet the wanker can’t fight so many real people for ever!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    He means well…in his Toyota bubble world universe. He better not get anyone else in there as will be hand movements and well you know the pointy thing will burst the balloon and major ugly… YUK. Survey notes will be lost as stuck together………………..LOL

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    I will say it again…

    PAUL IS #1 D-HEAD EVER BEEN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND A HOLLOW SKULL WHO KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPROOKING ON ABOUT TOYMOTOR ****. BEEN RELIABLE! HE HAS THE BEHAVUOR OF A 10 YEAR OLD THATS JUST BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY DUMBARSE PARENTS. NO, MAYBEY FROM A MENTAL WARD, HEY?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Hmmm yes I see. Interesting observations, cant find fault in your findings!

  • driving-Fords-is-like-XXX

    Go Naughtyius Maximus and Going Ford is the going thing, kill that idiot!

    JESUS, (not ‘Geezus’) Paul is such an idiot!!! :-{

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    All you have to do is search other websites or google it in as Toyota Hater is correct at post at 10.03pm. I have proven that as he ignored my comments what I dug up. Just paste what you find and add to it. Thats what I found he does.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Yes, this phenomenon is rare, it is called virgin-itis and first signs usually are a common link or association with a song by a male singer. The giveaway was the reference to Justin Timberlake and the song he noted earlier in his comments. Listen and look between the lines and it is very very disturbing. Nothing a girl cant fix, but hey you can only lead a horse to water and you cannot, I repeat cannot make the stubborn cuss drink. Gee that annoys me as so obvious!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I hope Paul has gone to bed, (in a sh*t hole chicken pen) but he’ll be back tomorow making personal insults about me, (and you too Klink) any time i’m not on this site.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    I raised the words ‘Rage Against the Machine’ and he commented back Toyota and then blabbered back Justin. I could not believe it myself. Will have to regress him back to see whether he loved his Dad!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Aragh yes, dam curse of Paul. He digs up some good shit on internet like some superhighway anteater!

  • Toyota Paul

    Ok sooooo…

    Roberto -> Colonel Klink -> Naughtius Maximus -> Going Ford, Is the Going Thing -> Driving-Ford-is-Likg-Driving-XXX.

    I think that is a good summary of the split personalities of this one poster, quite clearly the same person, all incoherent

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hahahahaha.anti spam word SKYLINE!!!!!!!Sorry something between me and the kids!

    Just dropped Mum off at the airport! Coming home and a Camry Altise , thought he would try and have a run with me in the back streets in the Cobra>>>>>>>>>nailed!hahaha! What was he thinking???Blue and white stripes should have been enough,had fun though,Brembos a little smelly ..

  • Watto_Cobra

    Actually i think it went Roberto -> Colonel Klink -> KFC -> Naughtyius Maximus because someone else had used Roberto and he adds a bit a humor with a name change to suit a certain topic. eg. someone was asking how many buckets of KFC can fit in the back of some car.

    Going Ford, Is The Going thing’s name was Me. but someone else used it. I thought Me. was a boring name tho, glad he changed it.

    I don’t know who Driving-Ford-is-Like-XXX, maybe someone new but I suspect it may be Me.

    Correct me if I’m wrong NM and GFITGT.

  • Watto_Cobra

    A camry, lol. Why would you bother?

  • Watto_Cobra

    A TRD Aurion would put up a bit more of a fight as long as the engine held together and it didn’t torque steer into a parked car.

    Just joshing Paul, we know the engine was likely a one off.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA PAUL….your an idiot of the absolute very highest order Prince Mini Brain. Thanks WATTO COBRA for setting record straight.

  • Tonyn

    toyota paul… im sure you timberlake on repeat. Im just sick of hearing you belt on with the same crap.

    Now you have ad to resort to personal insult… nice work.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Tonyn…dont worry be happy!

    We all ripped into the dill as the Timberlake comment was low as. Dare say he has the album otherwise how the hell would he know the name of the song; but more importantly he must know the words.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Dare say he is listening to Justin on ipod on way to Uni. Unless he has the day off he will be at hospital as suspect he is a nurse (from what ANDREW M said).

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Watto …I was playing with him!

    Tonyn…you start work early ! Did you get your new toy????

  • Bavarian Missile

    Don’t both answering ,I have just read your email! Disappointing!

  • Watto_Cobra

    Has anyone else tried to have a go at the Cobra yet BM? That would’ve been a funny sight.

  • Andrew M

    winterbottom cant win!!!!
    his car fell off the truck when it crashed in bahrain!!
    richards, todd kelly and skaife’s cars were on the same truck and also damaged

  • Tonyn

    yeah… not happy!!!

    I have the keys to an M3 i am test driving but the boys here are giving it to me as its not an audi…. i think i will get pressured into an S4…

    Mind you im not a bimmer fan but this M3 goes and looks great… its individual colour brass metallic, looks stunning!…. needs beige leather but!

    Or do i wait for the orion GT falcon… decisions decisions… if i was smart i would not buty a car, i dont really drive it, i have a company car… but i need another toy to keep toe Xa company during the day in the shed!!

  • Watto_Cobra

    Is Winterbottom out of the race before it even starts? Or has to miss practise/qualifying?

  • Tonyn

    no winterbottoms car is repaired, as with skaife….

    So all cars will be lining up but i know there a lot of unhappy campers, 4 cars damaged before the event begins!!!

    This is a bit of a toucy subject… but should todd kelly be alout to race this weekend as he is driving a chevrolet lumina and not a holden commodore??? isnt that agains the rules…. id love to see someone bring that up there…. hehehehe…..

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    BM… Cairns hot as, getting repairs on yacht (rust cut out, radar fitted, wind generator fitted, LCD / DVD fitted, new shower fitted, pressure water fitted, hot water added, new cushions and curtains throughout, new timber flooring, air conditioning installed) – should be filth then and great set up. Other half wants to move there so tempting! Thats why air con getting installed as will rent out of houses where currently are!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Na no one else ! I live in an area thats full of oldies and people that wear sensible trousers!

    Did you see the pic of it Andrew…….cant believe the bad luck FPR are having!

    Brass metallic …..never seen it!

    Hold off you may find what your looking for!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    That Bahrain track is amazing hey!

  • Tonyn

    its a cool colour i will send you a pic!

    yeah ill hold off it think, im not 100% convinced!

  • Andrew M

    yeah ive seen the pics/video.
    they are pretty twisted witin the truck

    yeah funny point tonyn,
    is the pontiac lumina on the entry list?

  • Tonyn

    Id love to see that point brought up… i might ring my guy thats over there…. hehehehe…

  • Tonyn

    kellys got away on a technicality, it is still entered as a holden! hehehe…. i did check…. oh how i wish they would of copped a penalty for it!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Entered as a Holden but is wearing a bow tie?? How confusing!

  • Andrew M

    well i see a lot of ss commodores re-badged with chev badges getting around so do those cars count for holdens sales? ha ha ha

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha………shouldn’t.How bogan is that!

  • Tonyn

    yeah its the only way i would drive a holden but with chev badges!!!

    M3 has gone back bavarian, ive got an S4 for the weekend now…… but im wishing is was an RS4!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Did you have a drive first!!!!!!! That was a real nice looking car!!

    Ahhh the RS4….isn’t that the try hard M3 ..hehehe .I am looking foreward to the test between those too! I am hoping the M3 badge lives up to its name against it!!

  • Frugal One

    This will be the engine used in the new Bolwell Nagari…ouch

    Will be released at the best motorshow in Australia:

    Melbourne Motor Show

    Anyway, its a light weight hi tech donk, but the Nagari *should* be a V8 all the same [esp. since it will be Boxster money!]

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Tonyn

    i have a test drive booked in a new M3 next week, one of my mates owns a BMW dealer… and ill have an RS4 avant, ill let you know the difference…..

    well… the M3 is in my shed at work for the weekend, so i might swap…. yeah the m3 is a looker… how am i going to put big wheels on it but!!! lol…..

  • Bavarian Missile

    You cant pimp an M3……..YOU WILL LOOK LIKE A RICER BOY!hahaha

    New M3………gee you have some connections,Ive booked too ,but still waiting for mine! They didn’t do test drives on the night of the unveiling! I was told all cars pre sold till mid 2008!

    Carefull M3s get bullied by Fords in the Shed,that XA had better behave!hehehe

  • Tonyn

    i may of just had a quote for some 20″ bbs wheels……. and i am taking the m3 for the weekend, i can drive an s4 anyday!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    BBS’S……your forgiven! Ok shock me ,how much each!

    You know M3 suspension is already stiff,with 20s on low profile tyres your fillings will fall out of your teeth!

  • Tonyn

    i have never cared about stiffness!!

    $7000… i have fallen off my chair!! i have a set of billet wheels getting priced too, maybe a nice set of those might look alright…. at worst i will put a csl wheels on it….. this is all pending on me buying it of course!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tonyn ..You don’t?…..! I like to feel my age when I get out of a car after big ks in it! Not 20 years older….but I guess you have that advantage of being almost 20 years younger than me to start with ha!

    $7000 sounds about right……..they are real nice wheels though!

    I bet you won’t want to give it back on Monday!

    A great sound that little 3.2 litre makes ,they love to be revved ! Is it manual??? I am not fond of sequential’s…

  • Tonyn

    no its smg and i hate the box… its not nice at all…..

  • Bavarian Missile

    errrrrrrr,that will be your let down then!

  • Tonyn

    yeah im not liking it, ill see how i go over the weekend!

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Watto, That person by the name of “Driving-ford-is-like-xxx” I think used to be Harry. He sounds very imature, but that’s good because we can tell he’s a Ford fan and he chased that tosser, “Football, Hamburgers, Eagles and Holdenwoo cars” off last night by telling him his screen name “sucks”. Something that i’m too growin-up to say to him.

  • woz

    This is what frustrates me is Holdenwoo fans think their poo don’t smell, please read some of the comments this tosser has to say about the final race last year on youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hew6czz5BLA

  • Watto_Cobra

    Hee hee, yeah, his name was “Driving-Ford-Is-Like-Sex” for one post then became “XXX”.

    Thanks GFITGT for clearing that up. It was only a guess, I was off there ;-)

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Toyota has also recalled nearly 3.2 million cars since June 2006 due to failures across the board on Yaris, Corolla, Lexus RX330,Camry and Aurion. This is not including the recalls on cars that we DONT sell in Australia. The 3.5 Million cars that Ford recalled are American and Asian SUV’s. Ford stopped bringing them to Australia for the reason that they were unreliable. I think it is about time that the “Old Reliable” Toyota was scrutinised under the same tests and inspections as other manufacturers. THIS WAS FOUND ON RESEARCH

  • Watto_Cobra

    That sounds interesting NM. Can you put up some links so I can have a look?

  • Toyota Paul

    Hahhaah NM spinning his best. Please link first. Regardless, those figures man Toyota isnt reliable! NOT. Your manipulating stats, Toyota sells 10 million units per year, 3.5 million recalls is only 35… in line with those links Ive provided earlier. In addition to this, you mention ‘oh it doesnt include models not sold in Aus’, well at the same time NM many of the cars in that 3.5 million recall list dont effect Aystralia, for example the Camry/Aurion has huge transmission problems in U.S which would have contributed a reasonable amount to that figure given their international popularity. Now relating to Ford, they had more recalls (3.5 million) while selling LESS cars in the same period… and the fact that you say ‘American and Asian SUVs’ sounds like ALOT of spin, if thats 3.5mil for only SUVs whats the total amount then! Maybe you worded it wrong but it stinks of manipulation to me which when considering, still puts Ford worse in reliability.

    And again I will say, why the hell are we still arguing this. I posted a link to a survey conducted over 10 years, Toyota was number one. Going to have to get over this tall poppy syndrome and realise Toyota is best in reliability.

  • Toyota Paul

    Only 35%*

    Also as I touched on, the Camry had issues overseas which contributed greatly to that figure when you consider that at the peak of sales, half of Toyota sales are the Camry… internationally.

  • Toyota Paul

    Not completely writing it off yet but Ive done a search and I didnt find one site suggesting Toyota has made that many recalls over a one year period…

  • Andrew M

    thats right paul its 35% that have been recalled.
    your figures were on quality as a whole not just recalled models
    so thats 35% recalled and how many that had to be fixed on an unrelated re call matter?
    bugger all defects warrant a recall.
    and its also been shown that toyota are pretty reluctant to call a problem a recall.
    it suggest that the quality figure from the survey should be much greater than 35%

  • Toyota Paul

    I knew you would say that… well as I said I couldnt find theses figures quoted online, Im still awaiting a credible source from NM… and as I said lets say these figures are right, 1 bad year (because those issues in the states, not Aus) doesnt condemn Toyota for the 20 years of reliability they have provided.

  • Toyota Paul

    Ok Ive looked around abit more, still not 3.2mil figure but there are a number of large recalls…. so far I think Ive counted 1.5million….NONE SOLD IN AUSTRALIA AND OVER LONGER PERIOD THEN SINCE 2006

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha ha “you knew i would say that” ha ha ha yeah ill keep you honest in the same way that you would keep me honest ha ha ha ha
    ok another one…….
    how come you apply the 20yr good reliability image from the states to OZ but not the new founded poor reliability in the states to OZ?

    anyway
    can i just ask why would anyone care what the official recall figures are?

    sorry i buy cars on face value not surveys, not reports, not a third party set of figures but from MY own experiences/dealings.

  • Toyota Paul

    I dont, Aus toyota has had 20 years of reliability… look at the Camrys and Corollas for example, since the 80s they have been showing their reliability. As for official recall figures, well when your claiming 3.5 million have been recalled I kinda wanna know its that fact or fiction! I think its not 3.5million since 2006… more like since 2000 or around then. Still waiting for NM to prove me wrong though.

  • Reaper

    Tug off toyota tool tosser, just copy/paste non stop.

  • Reaper

    Tug off toyota tool tosser, just copy/paste non stop.

    copy/paste again

  • Reaper

    Tug off toyota tool tosser, just copy/paste non stop.

    copy/paste again and again

  • Reaper

    repetitive yet toilet paul?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toymotor Paul ‘wanker’, you still haven’t told us your point.

    I can copy and paste this comment untill you tell us your point.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    I will wait for Paul to find link? He is right that overall number whilst higher is spread over different overall sales figure number? But it is not a giant amount above Ford Paul. LOL Paul will keep you posted cobber

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Notice He han not come back. Ambition to win and wants us to just love toymotor. What a shame, the “want to be” loner Toyota herro was out numberd and lost.

  • tonyn

    i cant believe you guys still agrue with him….

    He is clearly pulling at straws, and when all else fails falls back on his precious drive.com report…. to be honest i have not gotten on here for two days out of total frustration with toyota paul, and when i do come on here every post is clogged with how good toyotas are…. who really cares anymore??

    He has done one thing, he has turned me off ever wanting to own a toyota, i will never own one again!! just from the painful reminders a toyota will give me of paul.

    There is not a huge amout of difference between ford and toyotas reliability and i think this year has proven that, there has been more toyota recalls and stop sales then any ford product.

    Truely toyota paul, give it up! go to a toyota forum where they will embrace you and love your every word!

  • Toyota Paul

    Oh no dont say that, your not going to buy Toyota… all your effecting is yourself, enjoy being part of the 60% of Falcons who have problems in the first 5 months while all the Toyota owners go along with 75% not having problems. You know what I dont care about, you Ford fairies going into each article attacking other brands. You see it with EVERY Toyota article… you see it with EVERY Holden article… look at your own POS Fords before you attack suprior brands like Toyota.

    NM WHERE IS THE LINK TO YOUR “3.5million recalls since 2006″!? You are a liar.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toyota paul, whats your point? You still haven’t told us! You can’t just expect us to just love toyota.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Paul, If Ford are “Pice Of Shit” how come they used in fleets?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toymotor Paul ‘wanker’, you still haven’t told us your point.

  • Toyota Paul

    STILL WAITING EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIMS NM… You make such a huge claim about recalls, you back it up. Im willing to say your right, as soon as you provide some evidence.

  • Toyota Paul

    Still waiting….

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Toymotor Paul ‘wanker’, you still haven’t told us your point.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Still waiting…

  • Toyota Paul

    Your posting elsewhere NM, but avoiding this…. where is the evidence for your claims?

  • Tonyn

    75% not have problems?? why dont we call all the TRD customers, the RAV V6 customer, the Camry headlight customers….. see how happy they are with the 75% reliability…..

    You are a complete tool….

    Most posts that i read on here, the ford comments and toyota comments are started on here by one person… you toyota paul….

    I reckon if you called BF falcon customers from this year you wouldnt here anywhere near the complaints you would out of a VE commodore ar toyota customer….

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TOYOTA RECALLS MAKE FOR GREAT READING = http://www.autorecalls.us/

  • Toyota Paul

    Hahahah Yeah started all by me… a great example is the SS thread. You really are a twat Tonyn. As for reliability, obviously given that the figures for the next 6 months wont be as great for Toyota, but I dont expect you to understand that this has a short term impact not long term, in fact they reason why they halt sales is to ensure this very fact idiot.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TP…irrespective of whatever the numbers of recalls in total they still sell more cars. But with volume comes problems and it is reflecting mate.

    Everyone (including me TP) just calm it down a tad and keeo it solely related to topic of what we post OK…

  • New Toyota Buyer

    After purchasing a RAV4 V6, and then being told there was a freeze 2 days later, I have seen an official dealership article that simply states they were not happy with the smoothness of the acceleration of the new V6 RAV4, and there was an occasional “hesitation” in the acceleration. Toyota were not happy with it, put a freeze, are reprogramming the engine control management, and have stated by late november they will be back on sale again. To me, having NEVER pruchased a Toyota before, and looking at what Toyota have done simply gives me confidence that they want the product to be perfect or as near perfect as they can… has nothing to do with safety OR reliability. This is comming from a commodore driver (VP, VR and VT) for the last 15 years – where I saw so many “known” issues that were not “known” by the person who bought the car! Well done Toyota.

  • Toyota Insider

    NEWS FLASH TO ALL!! Toyota are indeed slipping..as an Insider I know the facts.I see it every day on the production line.thats why I Would NEVER buy one even though I can get one with all the incentives dirt cheap!They are LOSING money in Australia..thats why they are speeding up the production line to make more cars..which leads to what??More problems.Same workers less time.85 seconds per car..make the line faster? You do the numbers.OH WHAT A FEELING.

  • Greg

    I was lucky enough to get an SX6 delivered. After 15 months and 60,000 km in a 2006 4 cyl Rav4 Cruiser, the new SX6 is a great improvement. 2000 km in two weeks. Fuel economy is better. Goes up hills without changing down to second gear. Tows a dual axle trailer with ease.There is an occasional hesitation in gear changes, especially 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 up and down mainly under light loads, but is probably only noticable because the rest of the drive is so good. I would not buy another 4 cyl ( unless its a deisel ). Could do with a bigger fuel tank like the Prado.

  • New Toyota Buyer

    Greg – have you been contacted to get your ABS Actuator and ECM unit replaced? I think they (Toyota) are getting replacement stocks sometime after 26th November… I am hoping to get my new SX6 sometime first week December…

  • US Wanna Be Rav6 Owner

    OK – I’m confused. So if Toyota Australia is putting a freeze on sales of V6 RAV4s then why isn’t something similar happening in the US?

    I’m fixing to buy a V6 shortly (in US) but I haven’t seen any articles similar to this “freeze” here in the states.

    In addition, from previous posts it sounded like Toyota Australia was going to “un-freeze” sales in the November time frame. It’s December now – and I haven’t seen a statement from Toyota Australia.

    Do I even have to worry about similar problems with RAV4′s here in the US?

  • dah???

    what a load of shit! ford/holden, etc. i have been a tech @ holden for 14yrs then ford for 2yrs…falcon is as backward as the cavemen discovering fire. commodore had to get its engine from europe cause of emission laws they couldn’t meet. the reason i worked at these dealerships is because it kept me busy with repairs and excitement. mind you falcon was too basic to keep excited about. other dealers were mainly just doing routine servicing, day in day out…boring! oh yeah, every month GMH and ford have reworks to thier vehicles a mile long..so, my fellow countrymen, please don’t be one eyed in your comments just because your one vehicle that you own does not give any probs!

  • TT

    I would not recommend buying a RAV4. I got a 2007 RAV4 V6. After 7,000 miles, the car creates a high pitch whinny noise during acceleration at 40-75 mph. Toyota admit to this noise but claim it is a normal noise. I hate the idea of spending $25,000 for a brand new car that have a high pitch whinny noise built in when I am driving. Not a good upgrade.

  • dah???

    according to Toyota Oz, the freeze was to get the vehicles to comply to Australia’s ADR. that was the first month or so on sales (oct)

    i’ve just bought a new CV6. must admit there is a noise, exterior while driving…doesn’t change with road or engine speed or engine load. i am assuming that it is wind noise passing the ariel or deflector on tail gate. but i’m not too fussed about it. i’ll wait til it gets up to the 10000kms and check if that noise is present as you described TT.

  • billy

    Laughing …..so hysterical this thread.
    No Toyota are not the most reliable. Honda and Mazda or Subaru would be better. But – they are better than the US brands Ford and GM (who are almost bankrupt btw…)
    Safetywise – hmmm – anyone remeber Ford’s Pinto? Ford worked out it would be cheaper to pay off claims for deaths caused by the fuel tank rupturing in rear enders than fit a $2 modification….Also – the EA Falcon – shell so weak the roof pillars couldn’t support the weight of the car in a roll over….
    Toyota safety isn’t like Saab or Volvo – but its at least as good as Ford / GM….compare their models…