Toyota Halts Sales of the V6 RAV4
30 Oct, 2007
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Toyota Australia has stopped sales of its newly released V6 RAV4. The company stated the RAV4’s V6 engine, which has already seen controversy after Toyota stopped sales of the TRD Aurion, was not performing as smoothly as expected.
Toyota has been hard at work applying the 3.5-litre Toyota Aurion powerplant (2GR-FE) across its entire range. Starting life in the Aurion, then the Tarago, Kluger, and now a brief stint in the RAV4.
Toyota has not given any specific reasons for the sale freeze, noting that it is not a recall, but more of a precaution. The company says the RAV4’s driveability may be compromised.
Prior to the incident, Toyota executive vice-president Mitsuo Kinoshita, told The Age newspaper that Toyota was under pressure due to growing demand. He also noted the use of in-car electronics and integrated circuit boards have been a weak point for the Japanese manufacturer.
This is the third sales freeze for Toyota this year, following the Corolla’s steering rack issue and the TRD Aurion’s engine failure. As we mentioned earlier, Toyota is also having quality issues in the U.S.
Is the king of reliability slipping in standards?
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:59 am
oh dear!
I bet Toyota fans will be hiding today.
This is not something you’d want to know as an owner of that engine, I always thought it was a little hard tha the engine produced exactly 200kW and used exactly 9.9L/100kms…
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:12 am
Obviously people like TOYOTA PAUL know more then Mitsuo Kinoshita as he researches all these websites and figures he has the right answers and has an excuse for everything. Paul you deadset are a unit… but hey you sit in the cars and know it all in your youthful years - f*ck LOL you are too funny to take serious at times. You and your reliability crap and lack of memory when it comes to Andrew M. I still remember some of the shit you went on with about builders making 30K said a lot about your lack of life skills - just like with your Toyota. When it rains it pours and good to see reality settle in as Toyota has engineers poached by other up and comers and is not the be all and end all number 1 car maker always! Fact is they are on the nose like your comments Paul!
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:26 am
I’ve driven the Tarago and the Kluger and both are very sweet.
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:39 am
HAAAAAAAA ……. Mass producing = massive f*** Ups! No point in making 1 million cars if you cant sell them ! lol
Im waiting for the old Daewoo comments to come flooding in!
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:56 am
Oh boy…batten down the hatches!
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:58 am
I look forward to comment from Toyota Paul and we know they are coming.
It is disappointing that the supposed long lived Reliability King Toyota is coming a little unstuck in several models. Whats going on Toyota? Hopefully just a hiccup and not an ominous sign of what happens when you aim to be the biggest manufacturer instead of the best.
Just to stir the pot even more, what are the chances Lexus will fall prey to the same quality issues?
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Maybe Toyota realised how stupid it was to give the RAV4 the V6 from the Kluger, effectively taking sales it would already get with the Kluger haha. Toyota have had a few problems recently, and it doesn’t matter how minor they are, they are tarnishing their image as a builder of cars that are reliable (especially 3 sales freezes in a year!).
maximus, planning any more trips away soon? or will you be driveling on here for a while now? that week without you around was great!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
most of you critics dont need to buy a car when you all travel on the band wagon!
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
but toyota paul always goes quiet when its toyota that falls on the sword….
Dissapointing to see this from toyota, hopefully it is resolved quickly….
This is a silly move from toyota, as the kluger is there already catering for this customer.
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
the thing i noticed from the article was the toyota exec states electronics is one of their weakness’s, but i thought the chineese/japaneese were right on top or pretty much the leaders in electronic gadgets.
if you teavel over there you will find they have all the latest electronic gear a while before we do and it is so cheap over there.
why would the exec say thats where they suffer yet they are in a country that is a leader for that stuff
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
thats right Tonyn,
toyota have a large range as is why put a V6 in it….
it must just be them wanting to keep growing and growing and increasing the range is the easiest way to get more sales.
unfortunately it seems they have mated a combination that is not so hansome together
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Like the Rav needed 200 killer wasps :D, that’s Kluger territory.
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Jbot… gee you were pretty straight with your last comment about Toyota, rare for you to come out with comments without polarising people.
Fact is you had trouble too getting your simple head around how much builders make and had poor recall of that post sometime back when I put you to the test and challenged you. Your responses back defy logic and you mirrored Toyota Paul as you both were green between the ears, stick to cars as it is dills like you who have limited logic in life. Keep studying hard. Remember those who boast need it most…………….
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
This one has got me stumped. They have been stuffing that engine into the Rav4 for 18 odd months in the US and as soon as the steering column changes sides the problems begin. I think all the doomsayes are a little wide of the mark predicting another Aurion type of issue.
Anyhoo, still WAY overpriced compared to the 4cyl.
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
yeah i dont know what they are thinking, i think there model range is just right at the minute, but i think a v6 rav is overkill….
the thing i dont understand about toyota is they have a good model range, everything is right, and they do have a loyal following ( as i have found off this site) so why do they take silly risks at cannabalising there own sales (v6 rav from kluger)? i just dont understand.
Why dont they bring out a semi exciting car like the camry coupe we see in the USA??? at least there is a segment they dont compete in already?
And let it be known there was no ford v’s toyota comparsions in there…. lol
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Every car company has its ups and downs and Toyota is not immune to this, but I am confident they will sort this out soon.
Besides it will take A LOT more of these recalls over a few years before it makes a dent in Toyota sales worldwide. Toyota consumers are like Ipod consumers, they don’t think of alternatives even though there are other products which are just as good or better sometimes. First thing that comes to their mind is Toyota is the best.
This is so evident in the Asian region, where so many people I have spoke to rank Toyota above everything else, honestly, comments like “better than a Mazda 6″ “more comfortable than my BMW 5 series 4 years ago” “Good looking car” etc.
So has the latest incident tarnish their reputation, probably. Enough for consumers to start defecting in flocks? In 5 years or so perhaps.
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
I agree with Tonyn, why is Toyota attempting to cannabilise their own sales ?
The RAV4 fills the small SUV/4WD segment nicely with its 4-cylinder, while the next step up is the Kluger, and the next the Prado (V6 & Diesel) and the final being the Landcruiser (V6, V8 and Diesel..I think ???).
It sounds like the product groups within Toyota are playing “me too” with the new V6, and with this approach they risk falling into some dangerous traps.
Another trap that Toyota seem to be falling into is their apparant focus on sales volumes instead of quality - VERY DANGEROUS, a mistake that GM and Ford made in the 80s and 90s and look what happened to them…
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
oh what a sinking feeling…
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
bla bla bla, plenty of talk over not much at all. mark my words the fault will be a flat spot under acceleration and high fuel consumption. bets any one?
not a real issue like holden constant 5.7 rebuilds.
bring it on.
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October 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
I go quiet because I dont spend 24/7 on the PC… I never stray from an argument… so stop making stupid assumptions people like you do for most things. My points to make about this:
1. Im the one who in fact noted the potential for this very problem in I believe the other Rav6 thread, having the same engine in so many models is dangerous.
2. I think people are jumping to conclusions, something is obviously wrong… but the fact that the very same engine which was in the Aurion and Kluger HASNT had any issues, maybe we can assume its not the engine per say but its application in the TRD and now Rav6.
3. Klink, you need help
4. Toyota is still reliable, you note the difference between Toyota and for example Holden. They have major recalls such as fuel leaks, faulty seat belts and some other major problems… do they stop sales in the interest of their customers? No. Toyota is doing the right thing here. Their reliability is slipping you could say, but they are still far more reliabile then most brands… thats based on 20 years of reliable history, that just doesnt disappear overnight… contrary what Ford faries would believe.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Paul,
mate i love an excuse to put the boot into holden just like yourself but it would be silly to stop production on commys just to replace a quick and easy known fault item like a fuel seal or seat buckle.
the toyota problems seem to have extended from a “design fault” or set up problem and they are obviously unsure of the fault. if it was a simple “change a dodgy fan belt” senario then they wouldnt have stopped production. it costs big money to stop production so to stop it suggests they dont yet know the problem or there is a problem with the way they are produced.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Paul you have to admit Toyota seems to becoming less reliable after the recalls so far this year.When was the last time it had so many?
I guess were still asking ourselves why they made the smaller Klugger still?
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
toyota arent only stopping production in the best interest of the customers…. it is also in their best interest to stop it because if they dont find the fault then they would be liable for a lot more vehicles.
TRD example…..
one engine stuffs up big time…..
now you imagine if toyota let it go on and then it were 3 then 4 then 10 or so engines, then toyota would have to pay to replace all of them.
they are best to stop and find it now cause if more stuff up within 3 yrs then they have to pay for it which could run into big bucks.
but yes also im sure the last thing they want for their reputation is a heap of lemons running around. once again that hurts toyota not the consumer
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Oh what a feeling!
Toyota motors have been running into trouble in the US for a while with sludge build up ruining motors despite them being serviced properly.
Yes Johnathon rather coincidental that the thing makes the nice round numbers of 200kw and uses 9.9 litres per hundred.
So people were willing to forgo any type of chassis or suspension sophistication to buy a Toyota on the count of reliability. Will they be now?
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
i cant believe you would call people ford fairies, all you belt on about is toyota and its reliability….
you are as bad a a holden supporter…. when holden loses the championship… all holden fans say is its bathurst that counts… when they lose bathurst they say the championship counts…. you change your story to suit yourself! own up to the fact toyota is not as perfect as you say!! how many times will they do this before you admit there quality is slipping!!!
and for one thing, having the same engine is many models is a good thing, means manufacturing is more streamlined and the product should be better…. am i wrong in thinking this?….
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
If you call people who are Ford supporters ford fairies, then it’s only fair that everyone else calls you a Toyota Tosser. or Toyota tugger, or Toyota Taint Taster, etc etc :D
That’s fair and just.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
I think the 200 Killer Wasps just bit them in the arse!
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
TOYOTA “Dementure” PAUL…LOL you are funny. How your memory is fading and how you really are a wally of the highest calibre. Corolla is off to a great start too Dementure Paul, barely released and bingo - problems! Your backflip you cannot get your head around you clown, including, but not limited to:
1. You stated before on another post that the reason a carmaker scored low was supply problem on camshaft outside Toyotas control and that that was acceptable ~ and you stated on this same post recently this ONE thing effected the overall score on reliability heaps
2. You now state that Toyota is slipping a tad and that the problems with the TRD, Corolla and V6 RAV4, and you wont grasp or acknowledge that these THREE things effect overall score on reliability over then stating “…there reliability is slipping you could say”
Paul, your attitude and mindset clearly is one sided and suggest you get real as your a dill of the highest calibre! LOL your a wally!
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Paul, your only criticising Holden to take the focus off Toyota, if Holden were to take their vehicles off the market due to a fault, you’d be the first to criticise them for doing so.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
where did he go??
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Toyota Tosser’s! LOL HA HA HA!
TOYOTA “Dementure” PAUL is their clown ringleader; struts around like he is the Pope in his puncey Toyota Pope-Mobile. How can anybody take him serious as he goes on with stupid things like “I sat in this car” crap so it must be good spin doctor theories. He cannot apoligise to ANDREW M as he called him a lier and he cannot get his head around some things (BULLETPROOF RELIABILITY).
Man you are a funny f*ck
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
TOYOYA PAUL just cruises around websites like some, he is easy to pick and he comments, stirs up comment and then goes. DEMENTURE PAUL & JBOT - YOU BRAINDEADS… remember you said builders get 30,000PA. Then the way you tossers tried to defend yourself. ANDREW M was onto you tossers stupidity as well. Iam making close to double that on a 1x 202m2 house and I get contractors to do it. I dont do the work either.
Must be whooping it up standing at back exhaust pipe looking red faced plugging away on Toyota Tossing! Watch it Paul you will go blind!
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
I thought BMW was going after world domination by 2012 in the luxry car market…….seems like Toyota want the rest by making anything they can grab a market share of…..stay tuned for a Prius wagon………..cant wait!!!!
Cobra045 and I may stop being HOs for a HO for one of those..mmm nice!
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
“Naughtyius Maximus”, “Colonel Klink” “Roberto”, “guy that changes his name because he embarrases himself so often”, I seriously doubt anyone could take you seriously. You just have to look at your comments on any post to see that you are more than a bit odd.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I am still at a loss as to why softroader 4WD’s like the RAV4 and CR-V have become so large. RAV4 should be a little 4cyl, 4WD jobbie. I thought that was why people liked it.
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
For the record maximus, I never said builders earnt 30K p.a. I simply informed you that on average engineers do that little bit better than builders.
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
oh yeah sign me up now for a prius wagon!!! hehehe…
i can remember a report from a motoring magazine and it went sort of like this ” the prius was that bad i throw a match down its fuel tank….. only it wouldnt have enough fuel to blow the thing up” i rolled on the floor laughing!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
You do not need to convince me Jbot as you did state what I say. Like Andrew M suggested I think you have to work out what a licensed builder is versus a carpenter. You seem to be revisiting the stupidity of your last comment here stating on average engineers do a little bit better then builders. Ummmmm take the word builders out and in its place put carpenter! I seriously doubt anyone takes you serious as you and Toyota Paul only have a life around cars! LOL builders comment of yours. And you study????
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Even your defence when I queried you and Paul that time says something about what you are both lacking! Pair of wallies!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Will send you the link via email Tonyn…….nice little swap for an Audi..hahaha
Not as funny as Billy Bob shooting it to death on Top Gear!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
maximus find the quote.. i think you will find it was paul
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Jbot… refer second last comment of yours! You cannot answer that. Comment on cars only or try to find substance outside of cars!
Getting back to topic why did Toyota make the smaller Klugger? Seems to be tad wrong and arrogant for volume! Shame there reliability is waning more then a tad!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
quotes from wheels nov 07 edition
toyota 22.4% total sales….only 62,563 sales ahead of holden lmao
holden 14.4%
rest my case
toyota can stop selling a majority of their cars and you know what probably be ahead of ford and holden
also….do you see on a current affair or today tonight ….toyota or any jap or euro manufacturer get hammered like ford or holden when it comes to lemon cars?
rest my case
you can take the mickey out of toyota but at the end of the day they are no 1 and probably will be for many yrs to come
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
WOGBOY…quote history itself, the number 1’s who have been at the top of the tree have fallen and Toyota are starting to show cracks. The reason they have success is range size…Holden has next best range size and then Ford. Live it up buddy boy as you would be foolish to think it won’t change! Dark horse is Hyundai! Toyota will find it hard to stay there!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
hehehe… ive just cancelled my audi…. just cant keep my eyes off a prius wagon!! hehehehe…. i had a civic hybrid and wanted to burn it!
Wogboy, just cause they sell more doesnt mean there any better, and im sure all motor manufacturers have appeared on today tonight!!! there usually used cars that end up on today tonight and to be honest, you dont know there past history, or if the customer had done something to it… to be honest current affair and today tonight dont hear both sides to the story so take that with a grain of salt…
Were not taking the mickey out of toyota, merely the people who cant see past the fact they are just slipping slightly…
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
LOL! HAHA! :D Suck sh*t Paul! Toyota so reliable?
Toyota paul is such an arsehole! First he said toyota is more reliable than a Ford Falcon, then said Falcon are just as reliable. :| WHAT NEXT?
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Wogboy sounds abit off there too!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Great call Tonyn, couldnt agree more. Your dealing with the issue is spot on.
TOYOTA TOSSERS - you just won’t get through to them! If someone says something then we get told Ford Fairies! Like hello Iam not an out and out Ford supporter and also what happened to the patriotic “BUY AUSTRALIAN” support we should all go down as you really are UN-AUSTRALIAN on buying local!
Well maybe listen to Mitsuo Kinoshita and get off the sinking ship as few cracks starting to show up just as he says!
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
WOGBOY - be patriotic and “BUY AUSTRALIAN” cars…LOL, you AUSTRALIAN???? You have a citizenship, last night watched BORDER SECURITY, and every day another one tries to illegally stay here and well, you know… I gotta ask with your name are you an alien!!!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Maximus yeah its range size hahaha… the reason why they are in a position to offer that range size is because of their sucess in prior years, due in part to their famous reliability. Proven by surveys of customers and industry figures alike. Meanwhile your Ford and Holden have failures of 60% of vehicles sold within the first 5 months… the marks of a distinct lack of quality and above all, reliability.
Andrew.M no I didnt mention Holden to deflect the issue, that was just provided as an example of how great the locals are. You mention engine design being the reason behind a stop of production unlike the local problems with fuel leaking (not that major I spose….. just something flammable leaking) well despite my disagreement with this I will fight fire with fire, what about the early LS engines? Piston slaping… oil consumption -> design problems. As far as I know they didnt stop production for it did they? And that wasnt a isolated incidnet like TRD, that was all engines.
Bavarian umm I did admit already that they are slipping, I dont know why you are saying i must admit it given this. But the fact remains, even with this, they are still number 1, they still shyte all over the locals in reliability and they still have 20 years of reliability to fall back on.
Trackdaze as I already said, how can you say its related to the engine and 200kw with 9.9L when the Aurion, Kluger and Tarago which all have the same engine havent had issues!!? That sounds so ilogical its not funny. Its clearly related to the application; supercharger being added to it for TRD and an all new platform for Rav6.
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October 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
toyota paul….
enough with the 60% of fords back, that has to be utter bulls#$t…. and are you talking about majour problems or just rattles and squeaks? causeif your talking minor rattles an squeaks well trust me toyota are just as bad…. as i have mentioned i have been a manager at a toyota dealership and have had to listen to all the customers whinging…. which i will say is no different whichever the manufacturer…. i have worked with a few…
I think at the end of the day it is showing toyota are rushing into things, and they dont have to, i cant figure out why… there market leaders!
At the end of the day… if fords are so unreliable, why would over 80% of rental, taxi and limosine companies choose them. I can assure you ive seen camrys as taxis and at 800,000 klms both cars had been to hell and back… but the ford was more resiliant… dont get me wrong, the toyota held up, but i know which one drove better at the end of it…. and trust me it was not the camry… but again its my opinion…. but those industrys depend on reliability and they wouldnt buy a ford if it wasnt… would they?
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October 30th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
1. It isnt BS, its fact… this isnt me saying it, its an independent survey. Ford and Holden were equal last in reliability. It used all problems, however the most major were engine problems!
2. Thats your opinion, Ive heard countles more stories of them running perfectly. I myself own one with many kms on it, no squeaks or rattles. Do you not think in your role of manager at dealership that you would experience all the negative cases where people raise hell compared to those where people are happy and dont have to come to your dealership? Come’on use abit of sense, just because you have people coming in doesnt mean that the percentage without problems wasnt higher! In the meantime, I will go off the official figures.
3. I agree they are rushing things, TRD was a prime example… they should have took their time on that one.
4. They choose them for various other factors, most obvious is that as a business etc they want to be seen as Australia, some people geuinately think rocking up to a client etc in a Japanese vehicle might provide the wrong impression. On top of this, often a choice will only be provided for Australian brands. Furhtermore, in the case of Taxis, which I would say are the predominant amount of those 80%, they need a large car which can easily take 5 passengers, Falcons are larger and they do have more torque which helps it alittle (Not that the Aurion is bad in this department, but obviously it has more which is an adv). Lastly and of most importance is the next factor which you fail to consider, price. For all we know Ford offer competitive prices and obviously that is going to capture a business who may well be unaware of their lack of reliability etc.
5. Ive spoken about this before, Taxis aernt great examples of reliability. There are various factors which help Taxis to get many kms:
* Most engine wear occurs at startup, Taxis for the most part have their engines running constantly
* City driving is another issue which is worse for wear (having to acclerate from standstill puts lots of strain on the engine), given Taxis operate at night they would accumulate a fair few kms in clear traffic
Now I know this from experience, a friend had a Commodore which got to 500,000kms because it had MANY trips from Sydney to Brisbane… less cold starts and highway driving puts a great deal less wear on an engine. So you will find that not many cars in general make 800,000kms when owned for prviate purposes for these very reasons. Regardless your reports seem to conflict what I hear, I frequent Toyota forums obviously and there are MANY stories of Camrys making 600,000kms and stil running new… from prviate use… without desirable conditions such as highway driving. It is fact Toyotas are more relaible, it is ridiculous disputing this; surveys, studies, figures etc etc etc reflect this. Am I to belive all these indepdent tools which reflect the same results…Toyota has the best relaibilty… are wrong? HARDLY
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Toyota Paul, you really must have a learning impediment.
It has been stated time and time and TIME again to you that YES Toyoata does have higher reliability, but the gap is not as large as you make out…
YET YOU CONTINUE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO SAY:
“It is fact Toyotas are more relaible, it is ridiculous disputing this; surveys, studies, figures etc etc etc reflect this. Am I to belive all these indepdent tools which reflect the same results…”
NOONE IS DISPUTING YOU, YET YOU CONTINUE TO COMMENT ON AN UNRELATED POINT TO THE ONE BEING DISCUSSED!!
Have your parents kicked you out of home yet?? They must be sick to death of you!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
For all those accusing others of dementure…it’s dementia.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Paul ,I didn’t read you admitting that on this post sorry ,I must have missed it…I have given up entering the normal Toyota bashing posts . Was just trying to ask you when have Toyota had so many recalls in a year……what is reason for the decline ? Do you like ALL Toyota’s cause you come across as you can see no bad in them,if you do then you must compare them to another manufacturer that you feel is inferior to Toyota for some reason or another! I am sure if you backed off a bit on your posts on Toyota’s people wouldn’t come down on you like a ton of bricks!
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Mike keep preaching as your views are right…remember you are talking to the Pope as his views are above all.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Paul, WTF is that survey? You made it up. Only Things that look like humans like Toyota and go on against both Ford & Holden.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
That Toyota rooter, paul is abit quiet latey because it has no agument.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
I think he is sleeping in his Toyota in his parents driveway as sore from getting up close on personal with his Toyota exhaust with all his Toyota Tossers. Maybe he should halt the queue and get it out of his system. LOL he is a funny f*ck!
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October 30th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
The Toyota tosser here said…
“I go quiet because I dont spend 24/7 on the PC.”
You did once, with the first time you went on about reliablity. You trying to make everyone here look bad. So whos the idiot now?
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October 30th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
naughtyius maximus, okhay lets read that again and think exactly how old this ‘person’ is.
read his last comment and again, how old is he? (it?)
So what if Toyota had an issue, which motor brand hasn’t? you and all you others who are bagging out on this Toyota reliability bs.. even with these issues, they are still ahead of Holden and Ford.. one good example, the work/resources/research going into hybrid cars.. mock them all you want, but they do make a difference and they definately are picking up figures in terms of sales worldwide. Whats Holden or Ford done in terms of research for better, more efficent engines or hybrid technology?
Bathurst, Championship etc who the fuck cares? talk F1 where there’s some serious engineering put in and some ‘real’ driving involved. What were all you Holden and Ford fanbois doing when Nissan Skylines were dominating ? what were the excuses then?
You want to see the proper range of Toyotas? go visit Japan or Asia, where they have awd, rwd varients ..
“WOGBOY - be patriotic and “BUY AUSTRALIAN” cars…LOL, you AUSTRALIAN???? You have a citizenship, last night watched BORDER SECURITY, and every day another one tries to illegally stay here and well, you know… I gotta ask with your name are you an alien!!!!”
>> and wtf did your ancestors come here as eh? just think about that before you ever call someone an alien.
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October 30th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Mike yes personal insults, I would put it to you that you are the ones with problems… I have to restate these things over and over again because there are people who are disputing what I say, that Toyota are reliable. Furthermore your comment that ‘Toyota isnt as far ahead’ is another example of your lack of grey matter, for the most part we are comparing Toyota v Ford:
Toyota : 75% of cars dont have problems
Ford : 40% of cars dont have problems
This isnt a big gap? Indeed I have the learning impediment… looks like you need to learn the facts before attacking people.
Bavarian unfortunately I have to come across as I do when you have people going into articles and attacking Toyota in ridiculous areas such as reliability, as seen here. Ive stated I dont like some Toyota’s; Prius, TRD, Rav6 etc. I dont think Ive seen many of the Ford camp EVER knock Fords. Im biased, but many people here who attack me for this very reason should look at themselves in the mirror… abit like Myke and his learning impediment, think before you comment.
Going Ford, Is the Going thing another personal insulter and obvious Ford fairy, I dont have to make you people look bad… your comments do the job for me! As for the link, copy and paste this ebcuase if I link it the moderator crap will come up:
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=39115&IsPgd=0
I dont talk shyte like you and your Ford fairies, you can quite clearly see your beloved Ford performs like a POS… quite funny seein the Territory, Focus and Falcon, all vehicles you Ford Faries rate so highly, as being some of Fords WORST performers…. so the WORST vehicles of the WORST manufacturer LOL! Meanwhile Kluger and Prado are top of the one class, Camry is top of its class and most other Toyotas aernt to far off the top! Fords highest? 57% LOL. Toyotas highest? 75%. This ones to you Mike, abit of a difference? Idiot. Mind you I can hear the defence now… its short term. Unfortunately if you have problems within 5months that doesnt pay a great picture for the longer term, not to mention other surveys highlight Toyota is still NUMBER 1 in reliability over longer periods, with another survey conducted over 10 years highlgihting this.
I will repeat, Ford fairies, eat your humble pie…Toyota reigns supreme while Ford remains at the bottom of the pack.
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October 30th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
So now the Toyota tosser goes on saying Ford is the worst. WHAT NEXT?
Toyota Paula, Ford is not at the back of the pack, you need to eat some humble pie. Toyota is not Australian as a Ford Falcon or Territory. What country are you from? Hate Australian products then shut-the-F***-up!
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October 30th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
If that “Toyota Paul” wanker does live in Australia, it should go and move to Japan where Toyota comes from, if it hates Australia so much. Trying to make us hate Australian products, no wonder we not as reliable.
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October 30th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Tosser, Taint Taster Paul… this one’s for you ;)
www.varoomvroom.com/toyota-fix.....-you-13840
Does this sound like an ethical thing to do?? Call a recall a “warranty enhancement”?!?!
Enjoy :D
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
well firstly toyota isnt number 1 in reliability.
toyota has a better track history but they are not #1.
try being politically correct for starters.
oh any old excuse to play down the fact that taxis use fords.
tonyn has said he has seen both toyotas and fords run under the same conditions and the ford still faired better.
also whats with this running at night rubbish? mate taxis dont only run at night. most will run during peak hour!! yep the worst conditions as you put it.
gee you are a shite stirrer. fords are not the worst manufacturer. how do you sum that up? because of some survey? well dont forget fords excell in other departments.
have you taken a look at safety yet?
mate ive pointed out to you before that the history of fords show they are a much safer car than toyotas.
ford has 5 or so vehicles that top their class for safety yet toyota has a FAT *0*
so to put it in your speak….
would you rather visit the hospital more frequently or the service centre?
i got $50 bucks that Paul has no comment on the fords safety history as he keeps skipping over it again and again
mate you keep clinging to your “reliability toyotas perception” thing cause its all you got.
you know how “Radar” out of M.A.S.H. goes to bed clinging to his teddy? well Paul goes to bed clinging to his survey. dont be hard on him its all he has
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Good link there, looks like Toyota is not that good after all…
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
I don’t need that **** Paul, I need the facts, thanks!
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Gee, ummm, ooooh yeah crikey ha ha Radar clone wally he is(now that is to funny as I wipe away the many tears in my eyes as laughing loudly)… he also has his Toyota Tosser exhaust pipe when his survey is stuck to his blanket to give that a good plug. Should be stiff competition from his other cohort dick Toyota Tossers - better be a local made exhaust pipe Paulie as you must support MADE IN AUSTRALIA - like dont they teach you that in uni!
T=towed
O=often
Y=yet
O=often
T=traded
A=again
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LOL! GOOD ONE KLINK!!!
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
wtf, naughtyius maximus, the whole exhaust pipe is getting a bit old don’t you think.
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
ANDREW M… on behalf of the TPTC movement (Toyota Paul Tosser Club) may I say sorry for Toyota Paul calling you a lier and getting wires crossed about bulletproof reliability. He is good value and gets some good shit across, but after coming back from Cairns I was stunned to read the ass clown puppeteering he had become. When I read his posts I think of a 23yr old bald kid with black framed thick lensed glasses wearing clothes like Borat reading surveys after uni and knowing he has all the info at hand. The only trouble is his hand slips! LOL…………….
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
SVEN well maybe nudge Paul out as he is hogging it. Gee mate, just give him a nice smile and a tap on the shoulder and Iam sure you will get your slice of the action mate.
Gee SVEN like we get sick of hearing the crap you guys go on with Toyota Tosser Talk so gee get over it!
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Trouble is we admit Toyota is where Ford and Holden where, you tossers are so caught up in Toyota that you dont listen we admit Toyota is near top… FOR NOW!
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
calm down honey, i also think toyota is slipping a bit
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Honey…gee golly mate, ummm der Iam a guy and don’t believe in that.
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
SVEN like introduce yourself to Toyota Paul if you are like that…LOL
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October 30th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
you’re getting a little childish and dragging it out in an obnoxious way maximus.. I mean ok I’m sure the forum gets your view .. leave yourself atleast some dignity..
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
I agree Chaser, but Maximus does it in every one of the articles he comments on, so unfortunately I don’t think it will be ending soon. Maybe time for another name change Maximus? haha
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
No not every one BOT boy. Maybe you like a guy saying honey to you and not me!
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
;)
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
lol - this is funny :D
you know what maximus (lights go dark) - keep up the humour you have going on - really makes it the whole more different reading the review lol
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
hey i got a question from left field……
how do lights go dark? i know they can go “out” but dark?
do they emmitt some sort of black light?
i know what you meant though it is a common phrase but if you stop and think…..well….. does it make sence
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
lol, i went straight to the comments section when i saw toyota! hell, they might be slipping in reliability but they aren’t slipping in the entertainment department.
AM - i spose they could dim for effect?
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
“lights go dark” could also be a headlight issue on a certain car….
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
you’re right Andrew , woops
“lights go out and stage goes dark” , I mean that name , “MAXIMUS” it just has like its own background music happening with it lol :D
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
CHASER…. yo so howz your postings different to mine von cobber. Does not make a great read!
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Chas from The Chaser’s War On Everything?
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
YOU’RE ALL COMPLETLY NUTS….GO BACK AND READ IT..
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October 30th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Edaw Says:
October 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
This one has got me stumped. They have been stuffing that engine into the Rav4 for 18 odd months in the US and as soon as the steering column changes sides the problems begin.
You would be surprised at how many issues this brings when cars are designed a certain way for a particulay market and then the steering wheel has to change sides. It actually does pose a great deal of problems. Obvious here.
But I don’t think that’s the cause of the issues. I think their quality is slipping.
But it’s like Apple computers these days. They use to make great machines that would last and last and last. Then they grew and started to see that supply was less than demand. Increasing supply brought on lower quality. Now it’s to the point where some DOA, out of the box hardware failure is acceptable.
In one way it appears this is happening to Toyota, with the exact opposite effect on Hyundai (Go the underdog!). And in the end it comes down to bad electronics. Which coincidentally has nothing to do with Toyota, of course.
Steve
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:43 am
Once again, i am fully with TOYOTA PAUL, my family have 3 corolla’s… all 3 parked in our garage right now… 2005 and 2006 models…. no problems.
just cause 3 problems have come up this year, is only because they have introduced so many new models this year, and well didnt do well in making sure they go as well as before, but they are still number, the effect of this will be minimal on their sales… people will still buy their camrys and their v4 RAV4’s… Toyota… 4 life.
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October 31st, 2007 at 7:45 am
It seems Toymotor Paul wants us to hate Australia. Paul, we get the point, now shut-up!
…It hasn’t been here for a long time, hope that **** never comes back.
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October 31st, 2007 at 7:50 am
Look whos back on the ‘SEMA Pontiac G8′ Section, it’s the crap slogan wanker.
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October 31st, 2007 at 7:51 am
Paul,
I have just read that article, yeah agree with you on some part…. in NO PART OF THAT ARITCLE did it say anything about for or holden engines being un reliable… so enough with that… with TRD aurion and rav i think you should stay clear of the engine debate….
Why wouldnt you use the taxis as an example…
Yes as a manager at a dealership i do hear a lot of negative comments, but when i had 4 brands under one roof you get a good idea of products….
In that survey, toyota were ranked about fourth i think over all, and there was only one class where they topped the class, so what are you trying to get at there….
toyota paul, im not trying to bag toyota product, i have owned many toyota products, but you clearly have holes in your story…. You keep calling us ford faries for backing up ford product but at the end of the day your doing the same and getting upset about it. im sure your a nice bloke but you sure do have a one sided opinion! im just tryint to justify that the pedistal you put toyota on should be reserved for something a little more special, and lexus doesnt count! and im not saying ford and holden deserve it either.
In the end that drive survey ranked mazda, suzuki, honda and nissan in front of toyota, so has it already lost its crown of reliability?
the taxi thing is a perfect example, and you can get a taxi in the city peak hour these days…. and you can no longer buy a taxi pack falcon, but you can in fact buy a taxi pack aurion and camry…. so which would be cheaper for a cabbie to buy? your research is very poor before you comment.
I dont want to put you down but you just need to open your eyes, i have never totally bagged a toyota product, just offered my critisicm… but you do need to own up to the fact they are not the mighty company you are making them out to be!
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October 31st, 2007 at 8:41 am
NOT SURPRISED AT ALL. TOYOTA IS A GREEDY COMPANY THAT WANTS TO BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD. THEIR STANDARDS ARE SLIPPING DUE TO THIS PERSUIT AND THAT THEY SIMPLY WANT TO BE THE WORLDS BIGGEST CAR MANUFACTURER INSTEAD OF BEING THE BEST IS EVIDENT IN THEIR INCREASING GROWING WORLD WIDE RECALLS. THEIR 3.5LTR V6 IS A ENGINEERING DISASTER JUST WAITING TO HAPPEN. LETS SEE IF THE WORLD WILL CONTINUE TO FORGIVE THEM OR PUNISH THEM WITH DECREASED SALES.
OH WHAT A FEELING . . . yeah right!
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October 31st, 2007 at 9:18 am
Toyota Paul, previously Paul, is a rare type of person.
I’ll explain. Most of us get born knowing nothing, and we learn very fast when very young, and then our learning rate slows down as we get older. Eventually, at around 80 years, most of us cease to learn any longer, since there’s no real point - the debating group has shrunk to being solo or in a very small group in the home.
That’s normal people - now Paul has repeatedly shown that he has swallowed some Corporate Toyota Pie, and since then he has stopped learning. It’s easy to tell really, since his comments are always exactly the same. New facts offered by others are ignored.
So he’s either 80 years old, or retarded.
I’m guseeing the latter :)
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October 31st, 2007 at 9:21 am
That’s guessing :)
Oh, and GM has regained the top crown in sales recently. So Toyota is not a clear leader at number 1 in sales, the mighty GM is always there. And GM has its worst cyclical woes behind it, Toyota is on the downslide, its worst woes are still ahead.
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October 31st, 2007 at 10:20 am
1 thing i noticed from pauls piece of “evidence” is that these “industry experts” even question the accuracy of what the study represents.
they say they fear that it puts across false perceptions and does not reflect the whole picture
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October 31st, 2007 at 11:05 am
yeah i dont trust that article…. when no one is claming to support it…. if it was such a great tool all the top manufacturers would be using it….
I have to say it rates Volkswagen highly and i worked with VW for five years and never heard so many complaints and warranty notices, so im taking it with a grain of salt!!!
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October 31st, 2007 at 11:32 am
Going Ford, is Going Thing :
What kind of credibility do you have child? Don’t you ever dare attack my patriotism again as well you little f*cker… this has nothing to do with being patriotic, Ford and Holden are AMERICAN COMPANIES. Toyota does more for this economy not only with Australian operations (which includes a lot of sponsorship of Austalian events… and of course employment for Aussies) but also 70% of vehicles exported which provides jobs both for Australians employed by Toyota and those in the export industry here. You don’t bring this ‘Japan vs Australia’ BS into this argument, because its pure drivel child.
Andrew.M:
1. No twister, your really starting to p*ss me off with this constant argument and lies when your totally wrong. Internationally Toyota are number 1 (this link below is the 10 year survey I have alluded to, another conclusive piece of evidence I have provided while you back your comments up with…. Other Ford fairy posters……):
theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22614731-26017,00.html
In Australia they aernt number 1, but then again the top pack is very close… Ford and Holden are nowhere near it.
2. No Taxis are a piss poor example. Yes they run in some bad conditions, but they also run in the best. And as I said engine wear mostly occurs at start up, even under city traffic, with oil running through the engine its still causing less wear then the initial cold start up. Taxis per km would have less cold start ups. Im putting this in basic terms, Im sure you can get your head around this. Its ridiciulous as well, Ive already shown you evidence that Ford at the very best aernt as reliable as Toyota, yet you continue to fight it. DEAL WITH IT!!!!
3. Lol yes because a Survey…. That’s kinda more relevant then your biased opinion saying Ford are reliable! On safety pfft none of them are that great in safety, its clutching at straws saying this. When I think I safe affordable cars the only brand is Subaru, 5 stars across the range… boxer engine which sits low and collapses down on impact, engine mounts which break off in impact and I believe a pillar made from a strong material which the jaws of life cant cut through! Ford meanwhile don’t use these kind of technologies, they don’t even have curtain airbags yet! Give me $50 now. And just to mention, stop trying to change what this is about, its about reliably not safety… . a sign that you know your losing the argument? Hell yes!
4. I aint clinging to anything…. Ive mentioned the engine argument, Im not sure if you replied to my post showing how Toyotas have been decent in power for a while now, with the Aurion continuing this trend. The only area they have Toyota in is handling, but as Ive said, MOST people don’t buy a car because it handles like a race car on a street… they see quality and reliability as being far more important issues. What worth is handling when 60% of the Falcons sold are back at the dealership with 5 months? Ha!
5. And your last comment… lets try to attack the results credibility again but say our own biased opinion is right… pleeeease Im getting tyred of it. There are literally 100s of studies conducted over many years which reflect Toyota as the most reliable. They are all wrong? Really its getting ridiculous now…. The indepdent surveys are wrong while the likes of yourself, NM, Ford etc are right… based on your biased opinion. Listen to yourself.
NM:
For the sake of society, get back onto your medication… you would have to be one of the most twisted individuals I have ever known judging by your incoherent posts. As jbot highlights this is what, your 5th name change? You just keep embaressing yourself no matter what name you use. Leave for good, do us all a favour, including your ford fairies who you bring down to your level.
Tonyn:
Some Fair comment… I know in that survey Toyota wasn’t number one, but there was daylight between them and Ford, which is the argument at hand. Maybe you haven’t read them, but this whole reliability arugment came about when you ford fairies claimed Ford were alright in relaibilty and Toyota wasn’t great… and only had a “perception” of reliability. I think Ive proven this to be a lie, Fords highest performer was at 57% of vehicles not havin problems, which is pitiful, while Toyotas was 74%. They did top 2 categories, Camry in the medium car and Kluger in SUV (Prado was second behind it!). Meanwhile the fords all you people rate so highly; focus, falcon and territory, were among their worst performers while the Toyota camps favourites; Camry, Kluger and Corolla, performed well! As for taxi example no, I mentiond in this post above why they are a bad example, Taxis might look great as an example of reliability ‘oh 600,000kms’… but most wear occurs at start up, I guarantee if their was a study which meansure cold starts up per km, they would be among the least, which is why they get so many kms. I even provided an example of a friend, go a Commodore to 500,000kms because they drove long distance per trip… mind you the car was faaarked at this point, meanwhile I know of Camrys which make this under normal conditions and run like new!
Reckless1:
That is very rich coming from you. The problem here with you idiots is your trying to say Im the one who needs to learn… when its you twats that Im trying to teach!!! Ive said Toyota are reliable, what is there for me to learn form this… that they are not? That isn’t learning, that’s getting dumber…. Ive provided evidence they are in fact very reliable while your Ford is very unreliable. Where is the credible evidence from the Ford camp? Nothing. Your trying to make it look like Im losing this argument, when clearly Im the only one providing support for my opinion while the Ford camp only state their own biased opinion. In court they call this heresay… it is useless for very good reasons!
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October 31st, 2007 at 11:35 am
Tonyn are you kidding… these are INDUSTRY FIGURES, the whole point is that the car companies give this information to the survey company so they can use them!! The uproar has been that these previously confidential figures have now been made public. THERE IS NO REDUCING THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS. Deal with it.
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October 31st, 2007 at 11:36 am
Exactly Andrew M.
I actually did raise the point you just mentioned previously, but no-one really commented on it. Toyota Paul will refute what you just said vehemently! He may be at Uni, but he still has not been taught to critically analyse things (I.e. think for himself). Even though the “industry experts” who collate this information and question the REAL accuracy of it, Toyota Paul will inevitably harp on about Toyota is the most reliable etc etc even though that’s not what we are discussing here…
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October 31st, 2007 at 11:55 am
mate… wouldnt car companys use this…. even if it is internal within dealers??? my point is i have never heard of this ac neilsen survey in the 7 years i have had in the motor industry.
I even rang people i know within Ford, Volkswagen and mitsubishi and they have never heard of such a report, not at all.
It all seems a bit suss when even highly rated companys in this so called survey wont admit to it…
Some companys dont even use ac neilsen to conduct there surveys… so why would you use this as evedence…. im not dismissing it but it hardly seems credible…
i will repeat this cause it seems it doesnt get through, and ive tried to reason with you…… i have no doubts toyotas reliability is brilliant, but it is not as good as it was…. can you deal with that?? im not saying ford is brilliant either, i can deal with that, im happy to admit that, and trust me i think they are working harder than ever to get back to the top spot they had for a long time… you write off all the points we bring up and cling to one report that suggests things…. and even the manufacturers are not admitting to giving info about this report… and i think … in my opinion its not worth the five minutes i spent reading it, to be honest, it rates suzuki as second, and if we go off what you are saying, i have seen very little suzukis that last to 500,000 and be like brand new, so does that make them rubbish? i will deal with any comment you have to throwat me, but at the end of the day, i think you have to deal with the fact that toyota is slipping in terms of reliability, and nomatter how you try to sugar coat it thats the facts.
I dont think ford is getting any better, but it sure aint getting worse, and i am happy to admit that…. so i can deal with all the facts you present… but i still dont think that makes them credible….
Have you ever bought a BRAND NEW car? i know from experience, when these surveys are done a lot of customers complain about things like the fuel tank can only hold 66.9 not 67 litres as stated… so most problems in ALL manufacturers are stupid issues that should never be brought up….
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Ive mentioned previously they are slipping Tonyn, if you had read all my posts you would see this… all Im saying is that they are still at the top and still waaay in front of Ford both in Australia and internationally. As for new car my parents have, I know some surveys are sus but this one conducted… I find it hard to beleive you can attack its credibility. Perhaps at the dealership you never heard of it because the higher up at Toyota deal with these issues… I dont know, but I think its clutching at straws saying this is essentially a conspiracy and isnt fact.
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Geez paul….
Im not saying its a consperacy im just saying to me it doesnt sound right that all manufacturers are denying or not talking about the report…. it cant be that credible…
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Exactly Tonyn.
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Paul right noe i only ask for 1 thing because it seems to hard for you to juggle more than 1 concept.
mate show me (using links/times/dates) where i have said fords have a better reliability record than toyotas.
i have shown you again and again where you have overstated or exaggerated the facts yet you still call me the liar. mate i have proven i am not lying about what i quote you on yet you keep denying it
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October 31st, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Paul,
mate if you say “heresay” wont stand up in court then you must realise that “INCONCLUSIVE” evidence wont either
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Hehe what else would he be getting a whiff of under mummy’s skirt? :D
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Speaking of skirts Bavarian Sausage is very quite?? Maybe she is stuck in the new Aurion because the door handle broke or something….
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Hate skirts 280zx……Trying to catch up on some work, you missing me 280zx???hahaha
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Smelling something with a cigar like object and survey notes in hand on what to do….LOL that guy is a loser. Just watch what he says like I have as he cannot remember (DEMENTIA KICKING IN SOLID) calling Andrew M a liar and I was on that post! He only knows cars based on his car and sitting in them or what he reads on god knows what website. Hope what websites he vists it is not R Rated as he will faint.
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Yayyyy their she is! You dont like skirts hmmmmm you dont wear overalls do you?? and stand there with a can of coke and a sausage roll in your hand looking at someones Toyota saying ” Yeeeeeeup she’s knackered” LOL
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:44 pm
hahahaha…I am trying to picture myself as you suggest and now cant stop cracking up!!!!!!!! Ahhhh that got rid of some Asian stress placed on me this morning!Feeling much better now!
Naaaa I don’t wear overalls,drink leaded Coke and rarely eat a sausage roll { too many calories}!
I am more of a jeans & t-shirt {bra required under}champagne and smoked salmon girl that loves a good 6 speed knob in my hand and plenty of torque under my right stiletto! hahahaha
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Lucky we have you around Maximus! I’m assuming you have test driven every car you have commented on then??
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:53 pm
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Ouch ! just fell off my chair and smashed my head on the filing cabinet..
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October 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pm
ha ha ha ha ha 280zx,
ah i just got the mental picture too. lucky im working in my bathroom at the moment cause i nearly pissed myself
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Seems everyone is in good form today!
I hope your not lying down on the job 280zx, hows the filing cabinet??No dents?
You still working in the bathroom…..putting the sheeting up now are we? I bet Andrews wearing overalls…..hehehe ! Certainly hope hes not in stilettos again !
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:10 pm
ha ha ha no i dont wear stilettos!!! (well not since i twisted my ankle in them anyway)
im cooking up a couple of snags though he he he
my car is in at ford getting a service at the moment and i am not to keen to walk down the road to get it. i might wait till the other half gets home he he he he
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:21 pm
I guess you didn’t get a loaner car then!!!!!
Good to see you have stopped calling her the “MISSES”
Is she expecting her bathroom finished when she gets home from work??
Hope you don’t dress up in her underwear when shes at work!!
I had better behave my Dads watching Caradvice at the moment! Asked him to enter the R/R comp….
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
nah didnt get a loaner. they opend a brand spanker dealership up only down the road from my place at the start of the year. not far to go and i didnt really need a car today anyhow.
im even getting it detailed. it was a pretty good price so im sceptical of how good a job it will be.
the service on the other hand is far from a good price. are they ever from dealerships? oh and then they ring me and reccommend other things. “would you like your power steering flushed for $88? and would you like you A/C deodorised/sanitised for X$ ???
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Shit stings like a bitch, hi sorry back again couldnt find a bandage for my head had to use one of ToyotaPauls nappys Looks great! Yeah thats funny Andrew M and “would you like the forlift holes in the panel bogged up” What the!
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Thats nothing our local BMW dealership offers German Air for your tyres !!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahaha just kidding!
How about degrease your engine for $120…..under the bonnet of my car is clean enough to eat off so not sure what they were going to degrease?
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Not sure I want a mental picture of that on your head 280zx…hahaha
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October 31st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
No Bot boy cause Iam not that much of a losser tosser to sit in cars and then comment on cars and then spend every spare second cruising around drive websites and all the other ones - I have proven before that I also did that silly research and that ignoramus named TOYOTA PAUL just dismisses - why cause he is a MR KNOW-IT-ALL BRAINCELL! At this time when I quoted info back to Paul ANDREW M read my comments and said “GEE WHIZ YOU CAN BE SERIOUS AND COME UP WITH SOME GREAT STUFF” - like I could not be bothered going on with challenging him as I proved anybody can do it who has SPARE TIME! I do not have much spare time.
Like Iam not disputing Toyota is kingpin, that is changing and they are more then a tad slipping!
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:01 pm
What the forklift holes arent standard?
gee im a sucker he he he he he
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:03 pm
If Toyota is sooooo goof, how come they have no hero car to tackle the WRX or Lancer EVO like a Supra???????? The previous model Celica GT4 was wicked - and they stop selling it here and maybe they realise high performance is a difficult car to get right (refer TRD debacle). And as for TOYOTA PAUL he just dodges info when thrown back at him as he is tooooooo self centred (FACT - He can comment about reliability slipping some few points with supply of a camshaft to Camry in USA, as that is why it reflected a bad JD Power rating. Yet in Australia, we have the recent TRD Aurion, Corolla and RAV4 V6 debacle three times worse then compared to USA stats and the idiot rearranges his mindset and now says those 3 f*ckups only mean a SLIGHT slip in reliability. Honestly Paul you are a deadset imbecile.
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
May have already been posted… but…
Toyota’s quality reputation suffers a glitch
Christopher Jensen, The Sydney Morning Herald, 29/10/07
America’s influential Consumer Reports magazine says Toyotas will no longer be automatically recommended after a Camry V6 and Tundra 4WD recorded disappointing reliability results, writes CHRISTOPHER JENSEN.
For all its juggernaut progress in sales, Toyota’s quality is “showing cracks in its armour” and two of its most important models cannot be recommended for reliability reasons, a survey conducted by a powerful American magazine, Consumer Reports, has found.
Published by the non-profit Consumers Union, the survey - which evaluated 1.3 million vehicles owned by subscribers - found that Toyota’s V6 Camry and new V8 4WD Tundra had enough problems that, despite their other virtues, the magazine said it could not recommend them.
Toyota officials responded that the maker still dominated the magazine’s recommended vehicles (with 17 of the 39 models) and “overall this survey reflects well on our products”. An official said that the maker was constantly taking steps “to continue to sharpen quality and enhance customer satisfaction”.
The study put Honda first in reliability, followed by its luxury brand, Acura. Then came Scion, Toyota’s youth brand. In descending order the others in the top 10 were: Subaru, Toyota, Lexus, Infiniti, Mitsubishi, Porsche and Buick.
Overall the Asian brands are still on top, the magazine says, with Hyundai and Kia taking spots in the middle of the pack.
The traditional domestic American car makers are also doing better with Ford taking the lead, the magazine said.
Ninety-three percent of the Ford models were rated average or better than average in reliability. That compared to 49 per cent of General Motors’ models and 67 per cent of the Chrysler models. Ford ranked 13th in the survey of 36 brands, while Chrysler was 20th and GM 28th.
The new survey means Toyota will no longer get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safety, the magazine says.
“Because of these findings, Consumer Reports will no longer recommend any new or redesigned Toyota-built models without reliability data on a specific design. Previously, new and redesigned Toyota models were recommended because of the automaker’s excellent track record, even if Consumer Reports didn’t have sufficient reliability data on the new model,” the magazine says in a statement.
The magazine says the most serious complaints on the US-built V6 Camrys were problems with the automatic transmission, brakes and squeaks and rattles. (In the Australian market Camrys and the V6 Aurion are locally made.) However, the Camry Hybrid and the four-cylinder Camrys are still recommended, the magazine says.
TOYOTA PAUL - PLEASE NOTE:
“Ninety-three percent of the Ford models were rated average or better than average in reliability.”
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Yeah Toy-mota find it difficult to build a decent Grand Prix F1 car to (CAN’T WIN RACE’S). I think Toyota and Honda try to hard with no real world results, these manufacturer’s enter something blindly without pure performance, just like their so called overrated prodution car’s…
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm
WOW 1.3million surveyed that is a big pool to do survey - will be a tad better then what you base you criteria on TOYOTA PAUL.
Who does this sound like —-
Gee LOL you gotta be kidding… these are INDUSTRY FIGURES, the whole point is that the car companies give this information to the survey company so they can use them!! (like hello Paul how biased is that and how small a pool of people is that). You Ford Fairies dont understand the previously confidential figures have now been made public. And as for your USA figures - who cares! Deal with it.
This says to me Paul that you are a self centred closet Toyota Obsessed Tosser and a bitter warped dumbo of the highest calibre.
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pm
TOYMOTA’S NEW SLOGAN OH WHAT A FU@K UP !!!!!!!!!!
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm
I just knew Bavarian couldnt go more than two posts without mentioning BMW Oh now i said it bugger… Hi dad
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:53 pm
hahaha 280zx my anti spam word was BMWM5………
Time to pick up the baby Bavarian Sausages!!!!That would make them Bavarian Cocktails!! That could be a new drink….now what would I put in it!
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:58 pm
TO Toymotor Paul…
YOU ARE #1 D-HEAD EVER BEEN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND A HOLLOW SKULL WHO KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPROOKING ON ABOUT TOYMOTOR …. BEEN RELIABLE! YOU HAVE THE BEHAVUOR OF A 10 YEAR OLD THATS JUST BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY DUMBARSE PARENTS. NO, MAYBEY FROM A MENTAL WARD, HEY?
Notice you haven’t been back yet…
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