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Kia marks a shipment growth of 49.2 percent for first half of 2010

By Brett Davis |

Kia is reported to have shifted 990,000 cars during the first half of 2010, delivering almost 50 percent more units than the same time last year. No matter how objective you want to be, increasing production by that amount is a significant deal. This means sales which means more people are trusting and relying on the the brand.

Kia Motors Corporation say it’s not just export sales that have contributed to the numbers either, its own domestic market has also taken off. Kia says this has a lot to do with the continuous trickle of new models being presented to showrooms, such as the Kia Cadenza, the new Cerato, the Kia Koup and the all-new Sportage.

You only need to look at the latest range to see why its cars are selling so well. Look at the Kia Sportage pictured at the top. Kia has in-house designers whom have mostly been recruited from other manufacturers. It’s easy to see the years of experience through the quality design. Designers such as Peter Schreyer, who created things like the Audi TT and the new-generation Volkswagen Beetle, now work for Kia.

We can expect more great-looking cars in the future, too. The highly-anticipated Optima above is expected to be a sales hit when it’s released in Australia later this year. It’ll be badged as the new Magentis.


 
  • Jabba the Hut

    With the great style of the Optima and Sportage they can only go one way and that’s up.

    • Jonno Smith

      When an owner decides to sell their KIA, it’s then they realize that they can only go one way and that’s down.

      • Dear

        When you own a KIA there’s no reason to sell in the future ;)

        • Hung Low

          Will you blokes just get a room!!

  • Robert

    Lets hope the highly qulaified Aussie guy who is working for Kia (read this on other web site) to convert cars suspensions to be truly more Aussie compliant works 100% as Hyundai have not done this homework whatsoever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Qikturbo

    Yep,good looking cars!but with the driving dynamics of a horse and buggy.

  • David

    Well deserved i say…go Kia

  • Mythfrances

    I personally wont buy a KIA just yet. But I hope the recent KIA advancement in styling will push other car makers such as Honda, Subaru and Toyota to work harder!

    • notoc

      Yes.
      Fingers crossed, Honda,Subaru,and Toyota will improve not only their styling but also Quality and safety to Hyundai-Kia standard.

  • tim

    Lovely designs from KIA.

  • http://carAdvice The Salesman

    I should change my name to “the order taker”
    Very few people question Kia on reliability or quality anymore.
    Its just price, trade or repayments.

    • The Oracle

      Well I’m sure there are plenty of Carnival owners that will never consider KIA again and have told plenty of their friends about the experience they have had with the awful engines and Kia’s refusal to acknowledge the common problem after the warranty has expired (time not distance)or to compensate the owners.

      KIA have made plenty of advances in recent years. The styling (IMO) is much better than Hyundai and some reports say the ride handling and steering is better than then the equivalent Hyundai.

      However, the very poor manner in which they have supported the product when there are serious problems really makes them difficult to take seriously or consider in the future.

      (OK Fanboys, let the flames begin!)

      • Jabba the Hut

        No need for anyone to flame. Everyone knows already that you are troll. Your final line is proof enough and you spin the same anti-Korean yarn everytime you post so why would anyone take any notice of your predictable dribble?

        Kia’s problems stem from vehicles prior to its take over by Hyundai and are hardly a state secret. By all accounts the new Carnival has a very good engine it.

        Mazda had big issues with its engines needing ring replacement at 50,000 k’s back in the mid 90′s with their Astina in particular but pretty much any 323 was at risk and they came back with better product. Though I personally know one customer that will never buy another mazda due to engine failing under warranty and they turned their backs on him so it appears other manufacturers are guilty of it to.

        Indeed Nissan tried to claim no knowledge of an inherent injector problem in my Navara despite there being countless complaints in forums. Once I pointed that out they changed their tune.

        Now that KIA are owned by Hyundai I suspect their attitude will change to customer service as Hyundai continually place at or near the top of customer satisfaction surveys (there’s a thread regarding this on this site) and I doubt they will allow their sister company to undo their hard work.

        Other than the ugly smiley face grill on the 2 & 3 and the tyre scrubbing on the two they aren’t a bad product. Though some reports claim the 2 is still on the harsh side with its ride and most reporters prefer the Fiesta but not all.

        By all accounts most brands have had some hiccups in their lifetime and yet they still find customers. None moreso than toyota in recent times.

        Typically the more open minded people in this world live for now and not what happened yesterday. We bought a kia two and a half years ago and it has been faultless. If we had listened to garb regarding what happened 5 years ago rather than the happy owners at time of purchase we would have denied ourselves a great little car. Judging by their “shipment growth” it appears plenty of people have moved on. Not you though ;) .

        • The Oracle

          Well Blabber, that’s just a load of predictable dribble from you, isn’t it Fanboy.

          You are totally ignoring the ongoing problems and lack of service with the old Carnival engine, yet you try and deflect the comment to irrelevant and imaginary issues that are supposed to have happened with other makes. Why bring up Mazda and Nissan mate? I have a friend who have had an Astina for 15 years and their kids drive it and they have never had any problems in the whole time. That is as about as relevant as your claim about Astina. This discussion is about Kia. As usual, this is just another example of you making up criticism of other brands. You have no credibility on that score, mate. You’ve done it too amny times before to be taken seriously.

          Kia are still not looking after the poor customers who purchased Carnivals with dud engines that need total replacement from 30,000km to 80,000km. Try telling the poor sods who are left with bills greater than the value of the car that Kia have great service and look after the customer. Google “Kia Carnival Engine” and check the forums.

          If you try reading my post again, slowly, you may comprehend that I said they have improved greatly, but until they properly acknowledge the issue with the Carnival, their reputation will be tarnished.

          Have a pleasant evening Blabber.

          • Jabba the Hut

            Yawn.. Same old frustrated Oracle.
            Our service at Kia has been great.. Cheers.

          • The Oracle

            Well Blabber, As you have offered no counter argument to my comments, then you must accept them as correct and substantiated.

            I take it from you last remark that you think that as long as your car is OK, then bugger the poor sods that have been landed with a lemon with the Carnival.

            I’m just so thrilled that you’re happy with your little car. I read a comment in Drive in the SMH on Friday(that’s a newspaper we have down here) about small cars and they said that with all the models available in the market there are only two duds for sale. One was the Barina, which is known to everyone and the other was the Kia Rio. I didn’t release that experts thought they were so crook.

            I don’t know why you think I’m frustrated, that’s a very strange comment.

          • Jabba the Hut

            Hmmm Baddass I readily acknowledged that the Carnival’s problems “are hardly a state secret”. However I also pointed out that since the take over by Hyundai they have been rectified. A point he fails to acknowledge due to his biased view of the brand.

            As for the comments by the Sydney morning herald, their reviewer hates Korean cars just as much as the Oracle does so his view isn’t worth the ink on the paper.

          • okies

            Kia carnival engine failure (2000-2003) Report

            – Rover KV6 engine–

            The KV6 automotive engine is a techologically-advanced 24 valve, quad cam V6 engine, available in 2.5 litre or 2.0 litre, built by Powertrain Ltd which is a sister company to MG Rover. It is derived from their four-cylinder K-Series engine.

            In 1994 the engine was licenced to Kia Motors who invested in a new plant at the Asan Bay complex to build the engine. This engine was used in several Kia vehicles. Its introduction in Korea shortly followed its use by Rover in the Sterling.

            A number of early units were seen off by head gasket failure brought about by poorly maintained production tolerances. This caused the height of the cylinder liners to vary resulting in over compression or under compression of the head gaskets. However, the redesign of the engine and its production facility, prior to the introduction of the Rover 75, cured this problem and it became one of the company’s most reliable units. Problems remaining through until the end of production were largely confined to the inlet manifold mechanism (particularly the VIS valve motors) and leaking thermostat housings.

            A Kia manufactured variant of the engine was also fitted to the Kia Carnival (people mover) with some problems on early model engines. A large percentage of early model (2000 -> 2003) Kia Carnivals sold in Australia required a new engine— some multiple engines. In most cases KIA provided a reconditioned short (without transmission) engine free of charge and with no questions asked, providing the vehicle was under warranty. For those outside warranty, Kia “covered costs proportional to what should have been the full expected life of components” and charged for labour and consumables.

            –From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (google serch “Rover KV6 engine”)

            It is Rover basically who gave hard time to Kia and their customer.
            But Kia also resposible choosing wrong engine.

          • The Oracle

            Blabber, you’re right, the thread is about Kia, so don’t bring up all those other brands. Again you are trying to deflect blame to irrelevant examples.

            I don’t hate Korean cars, they’re just cars you know. But you seem to think that anyone who says they are less than perfect hates them. Maybe people are more objective than you. I have said many times that they have improved a lot over the last few years, but they’re not for me yet and that I think that Kia styling is better than Hyundai. That is a comment, not an expression of hatred, Blabber.

            Badass and Okies have confirmed what I said. The engines were badly made and the support by Kia on low milage examples that failed has been appalling. Engines that had been serviced according to the manufacturers recommendations failed early in their life and though the warranty time had expired, the distance was very low. Many think that as the fault was in the design and manufacturing and not due to the owners abuse or neglect, then Kia should have acknowledge this and in the interest of goodwill and service, should have replaced or repaired FOC. $8K to fix the engine the manufacture admits is a dud is not good service, however you try to spin it.

            Okies is correct, Kia chose and manufactured the engine and they should be responsible. I agree the new engine appears to be reliable, but the issue with the original is still current for many owners landed with the Rover/Kia V6 dog and no relief from the problems.

            You are just an apologist for Kia and Hyundai. An honest and intelligent person would be more objective and agree that Kia’s response and service with this issue has been very poor.

          • Jabba the Hut

            Still with the name calling? What are you 5?

            It is the constant attacks on Korean cars that demonstrates your hatred for them. I actually posted in the Cerato thread that it needs a 6 speed auto and a revision of the upper door trims. So to suggest I am critical of anyone that says they are less than perfect is ridiculous. I also suggested my ix35 could do with a slightly softer ride and that I don’t like the rear styling of the new sportage so again you are wide of the mark.

            You even trolled the CA testers with claims of biased because their road tests don’t suit you and were torn down in the i20 thread by CA staffers for trolling. So it is little surprise you are viewed by others as anti Korean. Infact other readers have commented on it in recent weeks in various threads. There is nothing positive in your posts about the cars whatsoever.

            I think you pretty well summed up your intentions here with your “counter arguement” comment above.

        • Adlove

          Our service?
          So you are working for KIA.
          You must be proud of your job….Or you have to do it, because of company?
          Anyhow you are a good salesperson.

          • Jabba the Hut

            The service on our car. Is it really that hard to understand?

          • Baddass

            I know that Oracle sounds like a Hyundai/Kia hater, (which he probably is) but the point he made about the Carnival engine is correct. Owners of the 2.7 V6 Carnival from 1998 to 2006 have had their engine need a complete rebuild shortly after the warranty expired. They are left with no support from Kia (after all, the warranty had expired) and a costly rebuild of usually $8000, a lot of money for the large families on a budget that bought the Carnival in the first place.
            There are already many forums on this website with people complaining about their faulty Carnivals. If you are going to crow about the reliability of Kia, check the company’s illustrious past before hand.

          • okies

            Kia carnival engine failure (2000-2003) Report

            – Rover KV6 engine–

            The KV6 automotive engine is a techologically-advanced 24 valve, quad cam V6 engine, available in 2.5 litre or 2.0 litre, built by Powertrain Ltd which is a sister company to MG Rover. It is derived from their four-cylinder K-Series engine.

            In 1994 the engine was licenced to Kia Motors who invested in a new plant at the Asan Bay complex to build the engine. This engine was used in several Kia vehicles. Its introduction in Korea shortly followed its use by Rover in the Sterling.

            A number of early units were seen off by head gasket failure brought about by poorly maintained production tolerances. This caused the height of the cylinder liners to vary resulting in over compression or under compression of the head gaskets. However, the redesign of the engine and its production facility, prior to the introduction of the Rover 75, cured this problem and it became one of the company’s most reliable units. Problems remaining through until the end of production were largely confined to the inlet manifold mechanism (particularly the VIS valve motors) and leaking thermostat housings.

            A Kia manufactured variant of the engine was also fitted to the Kia Carnival (people mover) with some problems on early model engines. A large percentage of early model (2000 -> 2003) Kia Carnivals sold in Australia required a new engine— some multiple engines. In most cases KIA provided a reconditioned short (without transmission) engine free of charge and with no questions asked, providing the vehicle was under warranty. For those outside warranty, Kia “covered costs proportional to what should have been the full expected life of components” and charged for labour and consumables.

            –From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (google serch “Rover KV6 engine”)

            It is Rover basically who gave hard time to Kia and their customer.
            But Kia also resposible choosing wrong engine.

            –End of story–

          • Jabba the Hut

            This bit’s interesting. Considering they inherited the problem…..

            In most cases KIA provided a reconditioned short (without transmission) engine free of charge and with no questions asked, providing the vehicle was under warranty. For those outside warranty, Kia “covered costs proportional to what should have been the full expected life of components” and charged for labour and consumables.

          • Jabba the Hut

            …and as KIA are now owned by Hyundai and have had no issues with the Carnival since that takeover occured so it is all kind of pointless under this thread heading. Many companies have been taken over and gone on to be great in the past so there’s no reason why KIA should be any different until proven otherwise.

            The fact is that the company that is KIA now is moving ahead in leaps and bounds just like its big brother Hyundai and some people actually resent the fact. That is why they continually drag up rubbish from the past. If I was to do that I could find problems with many brands that have since improved out of sight.

            A-class moose test fail anyone? BMW i-Drive anyone? Ford explorer? Suzuki sierra roll overs. All manufacturers go through it at some point yet they still sell cars. Hyundai has just had the biggest growth of any manufacturer in the auto industry and is now number 3 globally. Despite its much publicised strut tower failings in the excel. Clearly the world has moved on.

      • The Oracle

        Blabber,
        Rather than have another rant, why don’t you try and address the topic at hand. i.e. Kia’s lack of service and support to the unfortunate clients that have bought Carnivals with dud engines.

        I will say it again, I don’t hate Korean cars, I just don’t think they are as good as you and the other fanboys make them out to be. Styling is very subjective for everyone, I’m not fussed with Hyundai Fluidic styling and think that of the two, Kia is much more coherent and cohesive. I had a good look at an i45 on display at Rockhampton airport last week and IMO it is too busy and way too many curves and creases for a car of its size.

        And yes, I have commented critically to CA about the bias they do show, particularly when they show no objectivity and reprint articles that read like recycled press releases. I am not the only one to say that either.

        I find it strange that you seem to think that if Drive, Wheels, Go Auto, Motor, Top Gear and anyone else who says something negative about Hyundai/Kia hates Korean cars, but positive comments are accepted as universal and self evident truths. Be a little more objective and lighten up mate. Anyone might think you are a 5 year old.

      • notoc

        I hate flames.
        What for? Why bring all the things again which already sorted out.
        someone looks not ok.

        • notoc

          I wonder why above mentioned car magazines such as Drive, Wheels, Go Auto, Motor, Top Gear don’t deliver the news that Hyundai picked by Quality car by Autobild.
          Is is not that Hot news for them or just dont want to say about it.
          Maybe reader there has no freedom to get the latest TOP NEWS.
          Anybody checked it out?

          • The Oracle

            Notoc,
            I have no idea of what you are trying to say. Try to write a coherent sentence. A good place to start is correct spelling, grammar and punctuation.

          • notoc

            Sorry Master Oracle.
            Maybe I am not that educated well like you so please understand. I am not that professionalized like you.
            I am just a ordinary car lover not a journalist.
            Are you? Maybe one of the magazine you have mentioned?
            If not, still ok.
            But I am open wide to take your advice.
            Thank you. Bye Bye… NEXT !!!

          • notoc

            Besides, Did you get the point what I want to say?
            Don’t say no ? You are not that stupid ?

          • The Oracle

            Notec,
            No worries, I gather that English is not your first language. My apologies if I offended you. No I am not a journalist, I am an engineer originally and now a semi retired businessman who dabbles in a few things.
            Good luck and keep contributing to the forum. Everyone is welcome to post their opinion. Where are you located?
            Regards,The Oracle

          • notoc

            Please check my ID again.
            notoc NOT notec
            Why do you want to know where I live? I have a girl friend.
            Do you wnat to prove that I am not an Australian resident and that means my comments here is not worth?
            You are such a professional.
            I live on Blue moountain near Katoomba.
            Anyway…apology accepted.

          • notoc

            woops…Blue Mountain.
            Gee… its annoying !

          • The Oracle

            Sorry about the typo Notoc. Mate, I’m not asking you out on a date! I myself don’t have a girlfriend, as my wife won’t let me.

            Many posters are located overseas and I was just wondering if you were in Australia or overseas. Where you reside doesn’t bother me at all, just curious. I wasn’t implying anything about the worth of your comment on that fact either. As I said, everyone is welcome to post, don’t let anyone suggest otherwise to you.

            Cheers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sammo.8191 Sam Moss

    I am looking forward to seeing the new Optima and Sportage on Aussie roads soon. They’re both great looking cars.

    • David

      So Optima/K5 is going to be magentis now?

  • David

    i cant wait for Sportage…come on 1 week to go

    • The Oracle

      Oh, you bought a new car. How exciting, what is it?

      Trading in the Rio is probably a good idea, you should convince her to upgrade.

    • notoc

      Rio still look ok compared its age.

  • jojo

    I just picked up a 2010 Sorento Sli 6speed Auto Turbo diesel.

    We wanted 7 seater AWD and looked at Kluger ($63K) and CX7 $65K as well as a Territory $61K in th
    e intermediate level spec.

    While they all had their various features and benefits they all had rediculous real world fuel consumption.

    After pitching some dealers against one onother for the best price we picked one up for less than $45K driveaway which includes leather seates, reverse camer and sensors, 18″ wheels. The only thing missing is Bluetooth.

    We took our new Sorento out for a weekend run to Bowral and returned an average of 7.6 L/100km.

    Nice cars, well designed and styled, good price points…mo wonder their selling like hotcakes.

  • jimmy

    Don’t buy a kia my 98 sportage had an engine failure after 16 months of ownership with regular services etc

    we can only find 1 engine in a crashed sportage

    not even a reco with the engine failure problem

    not everyone can afford a brand new kia so this is a warning don’t buy a second hand one 97-2003

    piece of junk anyone got a match?