2007 TRD Aurion 3500SL Review
26 Oct, 2007
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I do have an issue with the steering set up though. It’s a power assisted rack and pinion unit, but it seems overly weighted at crawl speeds and over assisted at high speeds.
Brakes are as good as any of the TRD’s competitors and inspire thorough confidence at any speed. Brake pedal pressure is near perfect and brake fade under heavy loads is less than minimal.
The go fast Aurion certainly looks the part, sitting on a set of rather large 19-inch alloys, wearing low profile 245/35 Dunlop Sports Maxx, which offer superb grip in most situations.
The car sits low and the body kit is aggressive with a deep front bumper and side skirts. The rear bumper with low profile spoiler also incorporates the integrated exhaust outlets, one of the TRD’s best design features.
Naturally the car comes with all the right safety gear, both active and passive. ABS with EBD and Brake Assist, work with Traction Control and Vehicle Stability Control to keep it all in check.
“Would I prefer the TRD Aurion to have been All Wheel Drive or even Rear Wheel Drive, definitely. Should that stop you buying what will surely be an utterly reliable and exclusive high performance sedan. Not at all”
By: Anthony Crawford
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
was this an “oh no we upset the site sponsor better make mends” article????
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
That’s an insult - if you feel that way then don’t come back to the site. That’s being nice!
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
So did you sell the kids for it Tony?hahaha
Seats are similar to the ones in my M3! More bolster on the sides in mine though!
Nice review …….wheres Paul,thought he would have been the first on this one!
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
He was joking Tony!
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Cheers Bavarian - he can come back then!
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
It is not a 4 star car. 4 star cars have NO question marks, such as, to quote you
The numbers are not class leading,
a degree of torque steer is evident,
I do have an issue with the steering set up though. It’s a power assisted rack and pinion unit, but it seems overly weighted at crawl speeds and over assisted at speed
“Would I prefer the TRD Aurion to have been All Wheel Drive or even Rear Wheel Drive, definitely. Should that stop you buying what will surely be an utterly reliable and exclusive high performance sedan. Not at all”
The answer to the question should be yes.
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
I really like the overall look of the car,I think its a real head turner!
Its the torque steer that would not necessarily both me but would annoy me in the fact if it was AWD it would be sooooooo much better! I think this car will just keep getting better Toyota aren’t fools! The start of an era !
So has it got re-badged Brembos on it?
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
sorry if you took offence of course i would not really think you would do it for that. you obviously felt something that the other guys didnt.
maybe you approached the car with a different expectation to the others.
well did you?
what impressions/expectations did all of you have before you approached it?
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
You quote the Mazda as 380nm at 3000rpm, but, the real story is the Mazda3 diesel, making 360nm at 2000 rpm. FWD and a joy to drive. It can be done.
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
The brakes were developed by an Australian company PBR who specialise in performace brake systems.
You’d know wouldn’t you reckless!
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
the main thing that made the TRD look better in this article was the fact it was in black. it hides all the tacked on grey bits at the front
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
just curious…. why did toyota give the car to you guys 3 times? is that normal?
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Most motoring journos can’t wait to get their hands on performance variants - we’re no different. Paul and Alborz are a little younger than I, and I guess were expecting something more along the lines of the F6 or R8.
The next gen TRD may get some IS-F type treatment which I have already heard from friends in the US is a machine that the Germans should take very seriously.
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
We are all in different states and this was a car we all wanted to review.
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Good old PBR ,yep know them well!
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Nice car for its price point.
People need to understand yeah sure the XR6 Turbo is cheaper, but lets face it, Fords and Holdens loosen up 2 years after purchase and start to fall apart.
While the TRD is a nicely aspired 6, I do feel the front wheel drive is a cheap disappointment of a spec.
I expected better from Toyota if they wanted to face of these two redneck companies.
Toyota could easily match Clubsport and FPV with a V8 from their lexus range, actually they could easily be 8 years ahead and release a consumer version of that hybrid lexus v8 for this car and win green points.
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October 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
The indirect cause of torque steer isn’t because of all that power going through the front wheels. It’s because of a badly engineered front suspension/steering setup. The French have been making little tiny cars with whopping power levels and had no issues with torque steer. At worst minimising it to negligable levels.
The fact that the steering is wieghty at idle and light at speed is odd. Though it appears most modern production cars are all over assisted with their steering these days.
At the end of the day one comment made by a car manufacturer in an article I read a few months ago summed up why car manufacturers don’t seem to do exactly what everyone wants. “The others (car manufacturers) aren’t doing it, there is no monetary reason we should.”
That’s the way to forge ahead! And I don’t think Toyota is any different.
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
I’m just working on the Peugeot 207 GTi review and which as you might know has a superb 1.6 Turbo from the Mini Cooper S but it doesn’t have 241kW and 400Nm going through the front wheels. Niether does the Volvo C30 T5 - also a great drive with neglible torque steer. There is a threshold for how much power can be applied to front wheel drive cars and the TRD is very close to it. As I said, its not that bad in the TRD and owners would get used to it very quickly. Not so with the Mazda 3, that’s an altogether different proposition.
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Good to see a positive review! Everyone I have heard from who has bought one of thes TRDs is happy. Offers enough peformance to keep up with the pack while giving loads more luxury. Still though I wouldnt buy one…they are to expensive, should have been $55k for SL ESPECIALLY when considering its like $60k without features such as sat nav! Abit of a rip.
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Seems to me this car demands a test drive. It won’t be everyones cup of tea but a niche will enjoy it. Its not doing so bad to be mentioned amongst its peers given its the first TRD in Australia.
I wish it was AWD to see what people would choose to rip it about then, because there seems to be a bit of anti Toyota sentiment around here.
I’m just curious how the lexus engine stack up against this engine, now that every Toyota car will get this engine (not SC obviously)…
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October 27th, 2007 at 8:57 am
Anthony said
“’m just working on the Peugeot 207 GTi review and which as you might know has a superb 1.6 Turbo from the Mini Cooper S but it doesn’t have 241kW and 400Nm going through the front wheels. Niether does the Volvo C30 T5 - also a great drive with neglible torque steer. There is a threshold for how much power can be applied to front wheel drive cars and the TRD is very close to it. As I said, its not that bad in the TRD and owners would get used to it very quickly. Not so with the Mazda 3, that’s an altogether different proposition.
Well said , my Dads a Pug lover he will look foreward to your write up!I just learn’t that Peugeot worked with BMW for the Mini engine,haven’t told Dad yet though cause I wont hear the end of it.hehehe
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October 27th, 2007 at 9:11 am
In terms of Toyotas, this is pretty good looking. Especially in black and especially with decent sized alloys.
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October 27th, 2007 at 9:54 am
What does this car offer over and beyond say a VE Commodore SSV(I am actually a Ford man)? A much higher price,less performance,Front Wheel Drive,try hard styling,torque steer,very questionable street cred and a few extra features/options.Not a bad first up effort but still a long way to go in my opinion.
And what’s with the last paragraph about being utterly reliable and exclusive? Exclusive maybe,who would prefer one over a similar Holden,HSV,FPV? Not many I am betting, and utterly reliable? So far I don’t think so and let’s not forget the difference with performance cars over run of the mill cars is that they get driven harder!!Sometimes much harder!! Toyota’s have a reputation for being reliable, but when was the last time an enthusiast actually bought a Toyota and did all of the things that performance car owners actually do!!
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October 27th, 2007 at 10:09 am
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a. It offers way more comfort and luxury then a SSV, Ive sat in both and its a completely different feeling. Although yes the price tag is way to much for me.
b. It would be exclusive, especially compared to an SS like your previous example, this kind of vehicle turns heads. An SS which is soooo common, does not. Not to mention the TRD looks way better, even if it was more common it would still get more looks then a SSV… maybe not so much HSV or FPV.
c. Well Im sure we are aware of the problems they have already had, but Im sure it will be a reliable car. Your last sentence is about of fluff tbh, steretyping. Apart from the fact that more performance orientated vehicles in the past have shown decent reliability (MR2, Celica, Supra) your avg joe still thrashes their Toyota. I would know, I own one… it aint no performance car or anything near it but I still give it a beating… and it still runs perfectly after many many kms. Not to mentiom having less mechanically inclined people buying Toyotas is not always going to help reliability, these are the same sort of people who dont keep up regular maintenance, yet their Toyotas still keep going. And thats a fact which was highlighted recently in the Camrys where people thought due to their relaibility, they didnt have to keep up maintenenace.
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October 27th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Paul, appearance of a vehicle is based upon personal opinion, what may look good in your eyes, may not suite others. The TRD is one good looking Toyota but I’d still prefer the look of the SS, I no you think the SS is too ‘common’ but IMO is makes a much bolder statement than the Aurion. Any car company can achieve the look the TRD, on a FWD vehicle.
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October 27th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Lol looks are subjective… but when I went to the motorshow with a group of mates who follow various brands (none of which are Toyota), they rated the TRD very highly while I cant say the same for the SS. The quad exhausts are nice on it but the arse looks huge and the front is identical to every other CommoNdore… which in themselves aernt really lookers. HSVs are nice… samae with FPVs… but I think most people who think the TRD is better then a regular looking CommoNdore
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October 27th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Paul,
a. the TRD evokes no emetion from the interior and it has been critisized for just that in all 3 reviews. the steering wheel is the same as what the last gen camry had. how about a Momo wheel like you would get in your sports commy or falcon? the thing that you look at and hold on to all the time while you are in it isnt even sporty so how is one meant to get excited? coloured interiors date too quickly aswell. it would have been better having red as only highlights. it looked shite when holden put red leather in and it still does when TRD has done it.
c. less machanically inclined people buying a car means nothing and in fact it could mean the exact opposite. i have a sound machanical knowledge (but not claiming to be a whiz either) but no way would a touch a modern day falcon. mate i havent even figured out how to change leads on them now (cant get to them). if its under warranty it doesnt matter how mechanically minded you are you cant touch it anyway (not even drop the oil)
also a lot of the time people who play with them are the ones that stuff them up.
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October 27th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
The SS looks like a Commodore, because it sits in the VE Commodore range, similar to the Aurion SX6 or ZR6 being in the Aurion lineup. The SS’ looks aren’t meant to stand-out, otherwise HSVs can only rely on performance to product their vehicles and wouldn’t differ enough from ‘regular’ Commodores.
So Paul comparing a TRD and a SS (in terms of appearance only) isn’t a fair statement to make.
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October 27th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Andrew M LOL:
1. The steering wheels isnt great according to you (I didnt find any issues with it)… ummm Id prefer great seats, which the TRD has and something like a Falcon DOESNT, over a good steering wheels.
2. Ok Andrew M Toyota are unreliable, we going to open this can of worms again… excuses excuses excuses for why Toyota has more reliability. Maybe they build better engines then yanks… this is really from left field but Japs are better at engineering than yanks. SHOCK HORROR!
Myke:
You mentioned Commodore, although TRD is pricey if I was hypotehtically in the market for a SS or TRD… Id go the TRD EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, even if I had to take a loan out for the difference in price. The SSs interior ‘has no emotion’ and its engine has ‘no reliability’ what-so-ever.
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October 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Oh and Andrew.M I have sat in the FPVs and TRD… if the TRD has no emotion then the FPV is DEAD. The TRD is a good interior, its one of its strong points. Where you get your reviews from….Ford.com.au? LOL
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October 27th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
where do you get your opinions? @Toybota’s hip pocket? you should be able to afford a TuRD by now. just remember, you can’t polish a TuRD.
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October 27th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
what ever… Typhoon is dead….. what the f*ck are you on…. come back when your Toyota Aurion or the TRD win a award….the only thing the aurion may have over a Typhoon is the interior only because the Typhoon is 4-5 years old…but the new 300Kw typhoon i only around the corner my friend…then we will see who has the best all round high performance 6 in australia….. the TRD may be getting cause to the typhoon but the typhoon will go out in front of TRD and HSV by miles nextmarch/april…..LOL!!!!
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October 27th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Personally, in my opinion, the TRD looks more subtle than HSVs and FPVs and more classy. I don’t know what HSV were smoking when they were trying to gun for the Germans. Their vehicles are the complete opposite to the Germans, no subtlety at all, flamboyant, MASSIVE plastic bits, etc. etc. Even AMG and ///M don’t look as over the top as them.
This TRD, along with HSV and FPV in my opinion has a problem in terms of the interior being too similar to their lesser counterparts.
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October 27th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Oh Toyota_Hater the guy who said Toyotas werent reliable and Ford + Holdens are… Im surpised youd show your face around here again.
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October 27th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
hmmm pretty sure i nevr said ford/holden better in reliability. youll have to check on that. Never said i like ford/holden, just hate toyotas haha.
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October 27th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Paul, you never responded to the problem about Toyota I know of, just can’t take the truth can you!
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October 28th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Paul you are a dead set nob!!!
if you feel more inspired sitting in a TRD than a Typhoon for eg then you have no idea.
and please tell me where i have said toyotas are unreliable. are you spinning more lies?
thats right going ford…….
paul only responds to what he likes. his defence to everything is his reliability phone poll results
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October 28th, 2007 at 11:49 am
1. Mate listen to yourself, ‘inspired’ if that isnt the fluffiest thing Ive heard I dont know what is. I feel considerably more comfortable in a TRD. I dont feel ‘inspired’ in any of them, go sit in an STi for example… thats ‘inspired’. You feel locked in. A family car does not make me feel ‘inspired’. Does this ‘inspire’ you to reply?
2. You went in the thread with Toyota_Retard and said ‘oh I agree with you (he was talking about Toyota not being reliable) and then you said its only a perception’. So cut the crap and eat your humble pie, Ford are LAST while Toyota is at the top.
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October 28th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
You guys have gotta learn to relax, jesus.
Holden, ford, HSV, FPV, toyota, TRD, get over it, as long as you enjoy the ride and can pay the monthly who cares.
TRD has just commenced, they are years behind Holden and Ford in this regard, give em a break. Likewise Hold and Ford do a good job in this segment, and so they should after all this time. Well done.
If some of you feel threatened by the TRD, well you probably should, they will get it right and Toyota plan at the grand strategic level, 10 years from now.
But then thats good for us all, more competition means better product, keeps us all smiling :)
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October 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Paul the rubbish you are dribbling was when i was agreeing that toyotas werent bullet proof like you crapped on about.
i agreed that the difference isnt as big as you crap on and on and on about
Go down to your nearest car lot and buy yourself a spanker BF falcon and then come back and tell us how shite it is. It would be hard to.
Mate how about you buy a ford before you offer your adive not to buy one
oh thats right all you have is a phone poll that says not to buy one??????
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October 28th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Guys i don’t think we should be playing the old first try card here, sure its the first TRD here, but how long have toyota been making cars? how successful were they with the MR2, Supra and older Celica’s (TRD 2000GT & TA22)??? I think it is decent effort for a company that hasn’t sold cars in Australia before, but for someone who has been exposed to Australian car culture for so long, they should’ve done more - especially the price! i’ve driven the car and its pretty quick, not bad, but its not in the same market as HSV and FPV, the only ppl that will buy this car already like Toyotas, and want to be the cool Toyota kid
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October 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Yes Andrew.M Falcons Falcons Falcons…
Percentage of vehicles which dont have problems in the first 5 months:
Falcon : 40%
Camry : 70%
Stats speak for themselves.
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October 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Toyota Paul, as a serious note, where is Aurion in that comparison?
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October 28th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
paul it sounds to me as if u r watching to much current affairs programs…..you know wherethey take the absolute worst case scenario and quote unsubstantiated facts and figures to make the point they are trying to make feasible….. my point being, there is no way that only 40% of falcons coud be returned without problems in the first 5 months. Not even toyota who are one of the most profitable car companies could crry uh unreliable sales, let alone a struglling australian manufacturer like ford. Secondly am i not correct in sayin the TRD has already had a stop of production as a result of its bullet proof reliability. thirdly Pat E is right,where are the aurion figures, the camry is a mid size vehicle which if we want to be correct does not even completely compete against the falcon, and finally if you read a story tht was published earlier in the year by this website even toyota are strugglin with reliability these days and it is there previous reputation that a lot of people are refering to…..
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October 28th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
PatE, first card try is a little harsh, the vehicles you refer to are smaller cars,The Aurion is a large car with a large engine, also is pushing some newish technology in the engine department. They have problems, and have admitted enough, but they will fix it.
You guys fixate on next week or next release to much, always look long term 5 - 10 years, Toyota already own the small/Mid
car sales (granted, strong comp from Mazda in partic), this is there push for the large car segment.
Started with the avalon(lest we forget, ouch!) and we now have the aurion and its doing okay sales wise.
Maybe if Holden or Ford could look at the long term with regard to sales and production they wouldnt be so fked.
Toyota build cars that people buy, its that simple, they dont worry too much about what is the number 1 selling vehicle, its total sales and profit baby, thats all that matters.
What does Holden do, imports Korean cars, with safety issues. Give Ford some credit tho, the Mondeo should do alright.
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October 28th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
also I dont think they are probably as reliable as they used to be. Thats a fair comment.
But the perception is that they are, thats what matters.
Certainly their production levels are increasing, this in itself can cause problems. Not that GM and ford would know about that :)
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October 28th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Hater, throw a billion dollars at a Donut, its still just a donut, maybe with a little choccie on top.
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October 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
You people cant get much mroe wrong …. these aernt a current affairs figures, these are industry figures guys. Only 40% of Falcons have no problems in the first 5 months, this is FACT, while 70% of the Camry have no problems, FACT. There aernt Aurion figures as these are the most up to date, they dont release this kinda of study every year, but given Toyota had 70% for many of its car you can assume the Aurion is also up their with the best.
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October 28th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I’d rather push my Ford than drive your toy-ota Paul. Luckily, i don’t have to, because in 30 years, and 5 cars, I have never been let down by them. This tends to fly in the face of your so-called “industry figures”. (FACT???)
But thats only my experience, most people i know with falcons, (and I know a lot) have similar exp. to mine. so you say 60% of falcons need work after 5 months??? I KNOW 40 different people who have bought new falcons and 2 had a prob in their first 12 months.
2 out of 40!!!! that is 10% of people I personally know. i have to come to the conclusion your figures (mine based on personal experiance not some internet survey) are bullshit.
In one post you say toy-ota are bulletproof and ford/holden are at the very bottom. Then later you say 60% falcon issues vs. 30% camry. make up your mind which bit of disinformation you wish to back mate.
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October 28th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
I tend to trust personal experience more than ambiguous surveys too.
I can’t remember which blog I posted it on, but I mentioned that my sisters late 90’s Camry blew it’s 5th gear twice, costing her a LOT of money. My brother 2000 Hilux had it’s cambelt snap long before it was due for replacement.
I only know three people with Toyotas, one has a Prado which has a few niggling problems but nothing major like my siblings.
If I based my opinion totally on first hand experience, I would say don’t buy a Toyota. don’t even accept one as a gift. Of course I know Toyota’s reliability is quite good, but NOWHERE NEAR BULLETPROOF.
My Falcon on the other hand had a minor leak in the water pump (quickly replaced under warranty) in the seven years I’ve owned it. It has been a great car.
I’m tired of hearing Toyota Paul bagging Ford for reliability and spruiking Toyota’s, when my experiences have been the exact opposite. I agree Toyota’s reliability is better than Ford’s, but not the vast gulf you keep banging on about Toyota Paul.
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
i’m not overly fond of ford or holden, but toybota just plain sux. 2 landcruisers i had cost me a small fortune in repairs. i nearly went bankrupt thanks to their “bull(shit)etproof” relibiltiy.
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD.
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
This is the first time I hear someone complain about the reliability of a cruiser. these things are all over the outback most with over half a million kays on them and still counting.
With regards to pricing Toyota seems to overprice their sports cars. Mr2 spyder and Celica spring to mind. It may hurt this car in resale value if they decide to price it more competitively in the future.
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
first time? i know 2 other people with cruisers, 1 hasn’t had a prob (but he don’t go bushbashing or do farmwork) the other has had minor probs. i refuse to belive i got the only 2 utter duds. i’ll never trust toybota again.
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Toyota Paul…fact is you are a dill through and through. Fact is you said in another thread I was on some 1.5 weeks ago on this website that you are over TRD Aurion and now read your comments on this thread and change of mind. Mate, time to keep it real and get your facts right on where you stand as I cannot help but see you always standing at start of queue ready for a serious go on the exhaust pipe of Toyota. You deadset are tooooooo funny to take serious as you are an idiot!
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
…that needs to get a real life!
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
You people realll lack any grey matter. For starters, these are industry figures Ive been quoting…NOT surveys, INDUSTRY FIGURES, Ive posted the link to these in another area (I dont intend to do it again because it says ‘awaiting moderation’ to let the link pass for a week!). What you people fail to understand is your little experiences are a tiny sample of the wider thing. Hypothetically even if all these friends who bought Falcons were used, even then its a minority because only 20% of Falcons are sold to prviate customers! That aside this hypothetical is pointless, as combined it seems like we are talking from your experiences about 60 people who have had good experiences (now actually reading over them one of you’s said 2 people didnt ha!)… compared to 10s of thousands of Falcons sold.
Somehow I will go off the study using industry figures compared to the Ford fairies who say their Fords have reliablility… shock horror people who support a particular brand saying they are reliable despite evidence indicating otherwise! Toyota… proven by hundreds of customer surveys to be more reliable and more importantly, this recent study I speak of. Eat your humble pie fellas, your Falcons are glorified pieces of scrap metal LOL!
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
NM continue twisting what I say… Im defending Toyota in general here you twat… not liking the TRD. In fact I mentioned its price is a rip off. The only thing Ive said remotely close to what your suggesting is that in a world of only Ford and TRD, Id go TRD. But this merely an example, I do not overly rate the TRD. SO GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT….FOR ONCE!
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Welcome back NM,how was Cairns???
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Thanks for that diatribe Toyota Paul. If several cars from the same brand break down in front of my own eyes, and another doesn’t I’ll trust that. And that isn’t a flat-earther theory. We gain life experience for a reason.
We missed ya Klink.
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October 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
I had 2 Toyotas and they both were rubbish. funny how in one paragraph you say “INDUSTRY FIGURES” and the next it’s back to surveys. i’d trust a cheap used car salesperson before you mate.
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October 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Hear hear Hater. you said you don’t care for Ford, fair enugh. But wanker Paul says my “little” experiences??? I’ve been in the car game a long time. Oh but my experiences mean nothing because he read somewhere that someone from some “industry figures” said some bullshit. Some Toyotas are sometimes crap Paul and you turn a blind eye. every thing you say is dodgy.
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October 28th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
lol, dodgy paul is his new name.
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
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October 28th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
Ford fairies? Bash it up you know where you toy-ota tosser.
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October 28th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Toyota Paul, I don’t remember having personally insulted you. If I have, sorry. But “Ford Fairies”??? You obviously don’t place stock in anyone’s personal car experience, and discount it arbitrarily.
From your Toyota zeal I think that’s exactly what you do. You prefer Toyota, that is blindingly obvious. Then you dig up whatever suits your argument. All of your so called “industry figures” (who exactly collated these figures btw?) don’t match what I’ve experienced.
You haven’t convinced me of Toyota’s all conquering “reliability”. I plan to buy an Orion F6 Typhoon. If I have problems with it, I will vent. Who wouldn’t after spending over 60g’s but I seriously doubt I’ll have any problems. I can’t afford a new car every 4 years. This one will be a keeper.
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October 28th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Almost doubling up with laughter at you guys.
Bash it up where??Been told to shove it but bash it? Ouch!!
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
ha ha ha ^^^^^ i agree i left it for a few hours and well this has gotten pretty exciting ha ha ha ha
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
hay Andrew.M good to see ya back. where’s Klink gone to now.
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
what i have read about the survey was that it actually was a survey.
i wasnt asked!!!! and i dont know anybody that was
also paul you say the reason the aurion isnt reflected is because it is too new…..
well if the survey is that out of date then it wont reflect that toyotas quality has gone down hill (fact) and fords quality has actually improved a hell of a lot (fact)
mate you must realise that most of the problems with fords would have been related to trimming issues not mechanical issues that would render them “unreliable”
Paul you are getting yourself into trouble when you say stupid stuff like…..
“toyotas are bullet proof” and
“TRD is only toyota to have a problem”
oh and then you put toyota infront of your name …..well then that just tops off the traits of a biased person.
so why the great haterid for fords? you have said you have never owned one, but your parents have and they didnt have any problems??? so why are you anti ford?
oh thats right a phone poll says not to buy one
you better send that survey into “burts family fued” because it sounds like they only surveyed 100 peopleyou would go on there for car advice………
Question….
what car should i buy?
and the survey says!!!!!
Toyota????
or maybe you are the contestant that sits in the booth with the head phones on (and wont take them off) and doesnt listen to what other people are saying
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Toyota Hater,
true, true you cant polish a TuRD but hell id love to spit on one and rub it with my boot (just to be sure)
just incase its a survey that says you cant polish one ha ha ha ha
hang on i got a phone call…………..
ah you will never guess who that was. it was someone from the ABS (not the brake company but the statistics mob) and they were ringing around to see if you can polish a TuRD
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
hahahaha…….you idiot!!!
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
apparently the best way to polish a TuRD going from the results of the survey is “im not interested thanks” followed closely by “we are just renting”
it sounds weird but they say thats what most people said??
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
I don’t like either Toyota, Ford or Holden. But what I wouldn’t buy first is the exact reverse order of above named cars.
Admitedly, as others have said. it is over priced for a car that still has options and at the end of the day is still just a Camry with a few go-fast bolt-ons.
If you want to talk “Industry Figures” about reliability. Didn’t the latest J.D Power figures show that Hyundai were above Toyota? Or if you like, Toyota’s reliability was below that of Hyundai…. depends how you look at it.
Steve
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
paul will always see the glass as half full when its toyota and half empty when it is ford. thats how he looks at it
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October 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
mr 100% bulletproof reliable has gone quiet.
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
or maybe it should read “you cant supercharge a FWD TuRD, slap on some bodykit, and expect it to beat HSV/FPV”
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October 28th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
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October 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Looks like the first pic at the top of page one was taken out the front of a public toilet block. Does that mean the car is shithouse? :)
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October 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Well it ain’t built tough like a brick s&$^house.
don’t forget, you can’t polish a TuRD
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October 29th, 2007 at 7:37 am
Hey Nige, unless you’re going to post some intelligent comment about the car - don’t bother coming back mate.
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:30 am
You cant win when your talking to Ford Fairies. Andrew.M you talk about glass is half empty mate your truly are missing some brain cells, Im sorry, your the person who ALWAYS praises your crappy Fords and then attacks Toyotas. Ive said many positive things about Fords and also said negative things about Toyotas… Im biased no doubt, but YOU are completely biased along with your other Ford Fairies.
On the rest, again people spin and twist, paritcularly Andrew.M… with this bulletproof BS, TRD only one that had problem (WTF I dont know when I said that…another twist) and trying to reduce the credibility of a survey/study whatever you wanna call it using INDUSTRY FIGURES (f*ck what they called it, again twisting, its about the DATA that matters). Mind you this very site has another survey about incident rates, again reflecting the exact same results as the other one… only 15% of Toyotas having problems while Ford isnt even in the top 10… Kia is HAHAH!
Again I repeat to try and drill into the Ford Fairies brains and open your eyes up past this bias (an impossible task), FORD EQUAL LAST WITH HOLDEN - TOYOTOA TOP 4 IN RELIABILITY. Even internationally a survey just released conducted over 10years showed Toyota is still NUMBER 1. Eat your humble pies fairies.
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Oh and just read in that survey I mentioned… again the Ford fairies in another thread said ‘oh bet Fords problems are all minor but make it look bad’…
“According to the survey, the Falcon’s main problem are as were the engine and general squeaks and rattles”
Oh just the engine…hahaha. If anything Toyotas are minor, if they were major they wouldnt get positive quality surveys with customers would they!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:13 am
where do you read this survey paul, can you at least tell us that….. you talk about “industry figures” but for all we know you could be talking tractors or forklifts or something…. can you inform me of where you are reading this so i can at least make a judgment of it in my own mind.
According to JD power, toyota is in formt but not miles in fromt, actually ford america’s luxury brand mercury rates higher to toyota… i know that means nothing in australia, but is proof ford is capable of building a brilliant car…. even mazda is as equal in JD Powers survey with toyota…..
And at the end of the day that is what the “industry” goes off……
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October 29th, 2007 at 10:01 am
I love that car - looks nothing short of tremendous in black.
This car has taken my liking right from the start simply because it offers something different.
The report was good and touched on some avenues i have been waiting to read such as the velvet smoothness aka refinement etc.
This car should not have been denied a report from someone who obviuosly enjoys the car. Alborz stated from the beginning that this particular vehicle stirred differances amoung the staff at ACA and while we have heard the reports from others, it was also pleasing to read a report from a staff member employed to do the same job that has a differing opinion.
A message for the Holden and Ford club, if you don’t like the Aurion then fine - don’t buy it but you people must really start learning to accept that a growing population don’t like, want or desire a Holden and Ford product either.
To prove the relative success of the Aurion for a vehicle that has been on sale for no more then 12 months, it alone has sparked more heated debates then any other vehicle. That alone proves the integrity of the fanatastic FWD Toyota.
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October 29th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Cheers Gesto.
I’m with you dude. This cars looks bloody awesome and i reckon it will sell in resonable numbers just like the regular Aurions have.
The Aurions and the TRD version will only get better with time and i believe these cars will establish themselves a fond following.
I’m behind Toyota 110%.
GREAT CARS !!
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:05 am
Yeah TOYOTA PAUL. Suggest you get your story straight once you get freetime out of uni you twat. Go back in and see thread where you stated you are over Toyota TRD… bit more then price was discussed you Hipster Dufus Goose.
It was great driving a 2.4Litre hire van Toyota in Cairns for many many kms, drove some 1500kms up to Cape Tribulation, Innisfail, Etty Beach, Atherton Tablelands and it was great to swap van as sick of rattles and gearbox. Got a Ford Transit campervan and markedly better, but hey we wont read about shit results as some biase towards Toyota. Why is this = Toyota spend a motza on advertising and of course it will be not overly negative about reliability as we can see clearly that Hyundai is above all else bar Lexus and Porsche and the same media contingent is virtually quiet on that. Iam not questioning for one second that the Toyotas are at the top of the tree not by sheer luck, but the wheel turns in life and Toyota will not be there and TOYOTA TWAT PAUL if you think they will always well I suggest you look back at history as everything is cyclic. The fact you question that it cannot happen says your a loser who really needs to get a life! I would easily say that the TOYOTA I drove was a heap of absolute shit. Rattled everywhere, wipers could not straighten out as wind made whole assembly lift and bend off windscreen on passenger side and gearbox was poxy shit of the highest dam calibre - all this from just 68000kms. Iam sure you will give me a thesis of your “A Current Affair” intellect. If you want to base reliability then it should be taken on every single car sold and not just a small portion.
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:07 am
Quite right, Gesto. If the Ford guys can’t have anything nice to say about the Aurion (or the Commodore wagon or anything else, for that matter), then stop contributing to the 86 posts or thereabouts on the subject.
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:17 am
What the…sell in numbers like regular Aurion. Are you standing behind Toyota Paul and taking turns to plug hard up the Toyota exhaust pipe as seems like you are keen as! So much for very exciting cars like once were sold being Celica 4WD and MR2; but hey top end cars are a reliability issue as more things go wrong. Stick to your lower end cars and same same look. The TRD Aurion has a bland interior, FWD that you need arms the size of a weightlifter to barely control and poxy looking overdone front end that looks like front bumper bar was purchased from Taiwan. Lets not mention squared up butt, but hey maybe one day they will get there motor right as f*cken funny how this car was released.
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:19 am
All this hoopla from the largest car maker aqnd what happens = F*UCKED IT UP! LOL
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:33 am
guys….
cant you see none of us bagged this car…. i infact like this car, but it is always someone who throws in the bagging ford comment and then when people defend its like poor toyota. Toyota make a great product…. but i think everyone has to agree it is highly over rated in some products…. and i think some people on here have formed judgment of the ford and holden product most likely with out driving them… or driving a well worn one at least.
I think it is unfair to peg the aurion against the FPV OR HSV offerings… its not competing with that, to be honest i struggle to find where this car competes.
About half an hour ago, i strolled down to the TRd dealer and drove one of these. i had to to see why everyone was so divided… Simply a great car, looks awesome. But i do have to agree it lacked soul, to me it iwas like it struggles with its identity… was it a sports car or a luxury sedan? And i think it did both things ok, but not brilliantly. i would buy it for my missus to drive to the shops, but wouldnt buy it as a toy. You could buy far better drivers cars for your money. but as an all rounder i think it is a great car… maybe a little overpriced!
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:50 am
Soul.
What is this soul thing. Everybody appreciates different cars/brands for different reasons.
Personally, i find no admiration or i guess that should be soul about the typical Holden or Ford. Simply put, they do nothing for me.
I had a look at one of these TRD Aurions about 3 - 4 weeks ago when it’s sales were halted and loved everything about the car. I loved the style, i enjoyed the interior and appreciated it’s ambiance.
If you don’t like it then buy it - who really gives a shit eiterway.
Me, i’m all for it and would drive away in one in a jiffy if i had the finances.
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October 29th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
thats correct…. my only argument to that car is for the money they are asking you could buy a fantastic european car that would give you a lot more driving pleasure that the aurion.
Soul is getting into it and knowing this thing has balls, knowing everytime you step into it you will get a smile on your face. I think you would get that feeling for prob the first three months… then you would be sick of it… but hey, thats my opinion…. it just didnt feel like a premium sports sedan… and again im not comparing it to FPV OR HSV.
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October 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
paul, mate you must have dementia if you cant remember what you have said and even after i post links with black and white proof of what you said.
ah but if you want to keep denying it then you are only fooling yourself
Tonyn is right. thats the way i see/feel it is. you toyota guys cling soo tightly to your reliability track record and because its all you have you use that and only that to make it sound a lot worse than it is. Why? well its all you have so you try to hard sell it.
you guys want to start saying “oh fords are shite” then of course i and many others arent going to sit here and let you put out a false/underrated image about them.
ive experienced them first hand have you Paul? well youve already told me you havent owned one, so i cant see how you can pass such harsh judgement
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October 29th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
“Hey Nige, unless you’re going to post some intelligent comment about the car - don’t bother coming back mate.”
Geez Anthony, there’s about 50 posts of utter bollocks before that one and yet you get upset because he’s critical of the article photo? Yes, it’s not the most eloquent of posts but neither are most here on this topic. At least try for consistency and warn others as well, eh?
As for the car, looks OK but I don’t think I’d part with $60k for it. FWD also puts me off. As for reliability, I come from a Toyota family and can say that we’ve not experienced any problems with the cars owned (this is over probably 20 years with Landcruisers, Camry’s etc).
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October 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
TOYOTA PAUL… mate you on the turps or got early big case of dementure. Gee it is amusing reading over different posts about bulletproof reliability and still cannot find where you apoligised to Andrew M. We agree that Toyota is more reliable, but point is it is not a huge clear cut win and the data collected is not broad based over every single car buyer. Like Iam not biased as Iam not an out amd out Ford supporter and do not go on with absolute crap that you go on with (LOL… you are a funny f*ck as you go on about sitting in cars and crap and what not = who cares where you sit as we all do not dam well care) and call it for what it is. I like the Aurion in Sportivo guise, and for me in Aurion range from bottom of grille up (including lights) it looks tad too boring and predictable and it offers no in your face style there as bland as peas, sausages and mash potato. The trouble with the TRD Aurion is it is between a rock and a hard place, FWD but has too much power, luxury inside but no satnav for the high price and not enough differentiation away from Sportivo means it misses out in real soul for what it was intended. If it does not tackle FPR or HRT; well my simple comment is why the hell did Toyota bother to let a performance outlet called TRD do it? So I say to you that your comeback there is serious wank, wank, wank!
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October 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Toyota + tall poppy syndrome = this thread
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
wow.
I have a crazy idea. If you like what it offers buy it, if you don’t ermmm don’t?
No need to start calling people names over manufacture perceptions.
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
hahaha……..nice one Tony!!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
hey bavarian, how was the all ford day? saw some pics it look ed good
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Crap sorry forgot to send you one !
Show was good he picked up his first trophy for it! Most original BF COBRA !hahaha no longest distance traveled has tinted windows now not original! Whens your new Audi turn up??? I want pics!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Cool I was 100 post!!
Forgot to ask Tony……do you know if spares are available through FPV in Sydney for TS50 stuff or you never had to replace anything on yours? Some guys in the FPV Club over here had their car broken into 2 years ago and still cant find some of the Tickford gear that was nicked off it ? Any ideas?? Ford are telling them they no longer make spares for them! Sucks ha!
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October 29th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
yeah i have bought a bit of stuff for mine, what does he need? i know there is a few body kit parts and stuff they have!
New audi is now january…not happy, but to get the trim and colour i wanted i had too…. i think i may get shot for this audi… i usually get something different but i have gone mad with this one i think! i just need to pray i can sell it! hehehehe…. thats what you get for making me pick what i want… I have some wheels picked out for it and i can get some springs that are low enough so that should be good…. it will be weird not having a Q7 now!
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October 29th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
if there having trouble getting TS50 parts let me know ill put you in contact with the ford dealer i have…. i can even get XA parts from them!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Jan……so what do you drive till then?
Thanks for the heads up on the Ford stuff will let them know …..new old stock still for XAs…..Gee I thought Hobart had a slow selling parts dealer!
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October 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Other half wants to know what XA bits would they have?????
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October 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Tonyn… its at Drive… look at the other TRD test thread for the link.
Naughtius Maximus… you speak of turps, your replies would suggest your on the stuff, 3 replies ranting on, your certainly on something!
Andrew… No reliability is one area Toyota excells… and is related to the broader concept of them producing better engines (Mrre reliable AND more powerful). Other areas are quality, features and in general, value for money. The only area I can think of Ford having over Toyota is handling… and even then as per Drive.com.au the Falcon didnt perform very well over uneven surfaces (ie streets) while the Aurion did… so the one area it has over it, it doesnt excel in. I agree with one thing, tall poppy syndrome, you Ford fairies have to come to grips with Toyota producing far superior vehicles… which are now tackling, successfully, the performance market.
For additional reading go look at the WRX thread I just replied to.
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October 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Toyota paul…
There not industry facts…. i have read those before and its all based of a phone poll…. i could ring 20 times and bag toyota and it would bring them down… www.jdpower.com is where you should look if you want to see real industry stuff…
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October 29th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
i have bought mouldings, some trim stuff and a air cleaner off them, they have a huge warehouse which has plenty of stuff…. its starting to dry up but they still have some stuff.
Was driving an RS4, but have just been given a A4 1.8 turbo multitronic till mine gets here…. my Q7 has been sold or i would still have that.
I ordered a sort of individual car, so i have to wait….. i have got a set of 20″ wheels for it already and some springs…. thinking they might make it to the white one if they will let me!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Toyota Paul…yeah mate not on here for around 1week. Low and behold I get on here thinking what people have said. I then come across you and you are a funny f*ck…but then again you truly don’t suprise me one little bit! We see you for what you are Toyo Boy!
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
That is a beautiful looking piece of machinery.
No soul - yeah right wankers. Just have a look at how elegant it is. I hate Holdens and Fords because of thier extensive history of producing awful vehicles of unacceptable relibility and below common quality.
The brother of a work collegue of mine just about lost his soul approx 15 months ago when the brakes on his Clubsport decided to pack it is when trying to enjoying a Saturday afternoon street meet at Mallawa Speedway S.A.
I just got back from a weekend camping trip up in the mountains with two of my neighbours and on the way home decided to stop into Macca’s for a nice feed of grot.
While we were there chomping down our chowmin a black Presara and a gold Sportivo passed by during the 20 mins or so while we were there and i noticed the other two had taken notice of the the two Aurions as much as i had.
Just goes to show how these new Toyota’s are catching the eye of the public as i have been noticing similar glances of passing Aurions over the past several months.
I’ve checked out the TRD but unfortunately didn’t have time to drive it as i was passing by from job to job and i reckon the Red example that was on display was bloody awsome.
That black one in the picture looks grouse to the max… that means fan-bloody-tastic.
Stuff Holdens and Ford, give us more exotic materials like more TRD’s, Nissan GTR’s while hurring up with things like the IS-F.3
I love it how diehard Holden and Ford idiots chatter amoung themselves while the rest of the world couldn’t careless about thier cars.
I will always remember the tropical rainfall of tears when Nissan squashed the aspirations of the local boys. How great those days were. i can only wait for the years ahead when other manufactuers can once again race in Australia against those trashy Commodores and Falcons.
No soul - yeah right. Get a friggen life.
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Cool can you email me their contact details????Cant believe they still have stock!!
Re the new Audi…….so there after market wheels??? I would imagine Audi wheels could be expensive? I once priced a set of M wheels for 535 sport $20,000 for the 4 ..no wonder Alborz calls them the option kings!Gee and your dumping it..theres a surprise ..not!!hahaha Individual what does that option cost in Audi’s ? Depends on the options? What does individual paint cost ?
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Paul,
toyota dont have a history of producing more powerfull cars so how is power a feather in their cap. who thinks toyota when they think power?
ah dont forget about safety in fords lap. you dont want to talk about that do you.
mate up until the VE came out the BF was the car to beat with handling. so now we get the VE that marginally gets the falcon on handling and suddlenly the BF is hopeless?? mate i dont get it
exactlly what i have been telling you paul. you go on about a phone poll. JD powers no longer recommends toyotas as their quality has slipped
have you come to terms with what you are saying about toyotas being bullet proof or no problems bar 1 with the TRD? if so apologise for being so abusive toward me. (come on be a man and admit your mistakes)
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Johno,
the biggest thing i love is the way you guys stick your chest out at the way the nissan performed many years ago.
how about you open your eyes and realise that you can actually see stock nissans race against stock falcons and commys. you guys think the only category in OZ is V8 supercars. if you want to see stock racing and more than 2 manufacturers well you still can. you are obviously not a motorsport fan (or you would know that) so why did you bring it up.
you are so bitter that ford and holden have created one of the most competitive and popular categories you can watch.
what next you want to see ferraris in the carrera cup?
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Nice point……..Are there any Nissans or Toyotas in the Performance car series your speaking about Andrew?????? Not at the front of the pac cause I would be seeing them I guess!
Australia loves the Holden Ford rivalry….its a way of life!
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
no there are no toyotas or nissans at the front.
they do have a pink BMW for you though!!!!
they have stock HSV’s and stock FPV’s so why dont you tough speaking toyo ans nismo lovers enter a car in that?
well you say you want to see nismo’s etc against fords and holdens……
my point is dont whinge because there is still such a category
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
i wont post the link (cause it takes forever to be moderated)
so put
“Australian Performance Car Championship .au” into your search engine and see for yourself so you guys stop whinging about that.
the most competitive outside of the HSV’s/FPV’s are the EVO’s.
actually the EVO’s give the big V8’s the best run for their money. needless to say its the corners where the EVO’s shine
so are we all done with this wah wah wah i want to see more than holdens and fords racing wah wah wah
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Cause their current models cant keep up with the Evos and Rexes…let alone HSV and FPV stuff or I guess they would be doing it already!
How long has the performance car series been going??????? A while now I thought, so Toyota and and Nissan have had plenty of chances to prove themselves in that racing class!
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
^^^^
exactlly
sorry but im so over the whinging
i love me V8’s but i still take interest in many other categories.
rex’s actually cant keep up as well as the EVO’s though. maybe its the drivers but the EVO’s are the only ones that provide competition to the big boys
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
Andrew.M no Toyotas have been just as powerful as their Ford rivals mate… in the past the V6 Camry (Gen3) for example had 140kw and 260Nm while at the same time the Falcon only had 145kw with A WHOLE LITRES more displacement and the Commodore only had a pitiful 130kw with nearly a litres more dispalcement! Granted both had more torque (They have larger engines… although the Commodore only had 30Nm more). The next generation V6 Camry was more even with the others… then the one after this slipped abit in performance as they used the same engine from 1996… but now history repeats itself with the Aurion, again the most powerful engine in its class.
QUOTE = have you come to terms with what you are saying about toyotas being bullet proof or no problems bar 1 with the TRD? if so apologise for being so abusive toward me. (come on be a man and admit your mistakes)
Hahahaha you can twist and turn cant you. You wanna keep taling sh*t be my guest, Im the one who mentioned faults such as the sludge issue with Toyotas… at no point had I said the TRD is the only problem they have. What I have said, backed up from various sources, is that Toyota is far more reliable then many brands, including Ford. What have you said? Something along the lines of.. Ford Ford Ford Ford Ford Toyota is crap Ford Ford Ford Ford… backed up by what? NOTHING. Your own biased views. Im awaiting and apology for the other thread where you provided support to an idiot who claimed Toyotos werent reliable, then when you had pie on your face from that article I linked, you still couldnt hack defeat… to this very point in time this remains!
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October 29th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
ha ha ha ha ha
mate you are like shooting fish in a barrel due to the silly things you say and then deny.
i havent got time right now im off till tomorrow ill seeya then
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October 29th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
I am shooting fish in a barrel… and your the fish Andrew.M. You can continue on with this ‘bulletproof’ crap, you’ve interpreted wrong obviously… as Ive been well aware of their sludge and transmission problems in Camrys. This has always been about reliability, only 15% of cars needing to get unscheduled maintenace within the first 5 months is bulletproof reliaiblity in my books. But do continue on twisting what I say.
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October 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Hey Toyota Paul, In relation to your comments on quality..
“According to the survey, the Falcon’s main problem are as were the engine and general squeaks and rattles”
Dont talk to us about engines, because the recently released V6 RAV4 has just been put on hold because of engine management problems.
An article from another website:
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“Toyota Australia spokesperson Mike Breen says the RAV4’s 3.5-litre V6, which is shared with the Aurion, Kluger, and Tarago, is not operating “as smoothly as would be expected”, and there appears to be an issue with the engine’s electronic managment control system.
The problem was detected in a couple of company demonstration models and the decision was made to stop customer deliveries as a “precautionary measure”.
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First the Aurion TRD, now the RAV4 V6, so whats left ??..maybe a Kluger cease sale next month???
Well, at least Toyota’s aren’t “boring” anymore, I guess when volumes become the focus of a company then something’s got to give …
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October 30th, 2007 at 3:19 am
The JDpower listing is commercial surveys and warranty claims oriented. You see when a buyer returns or claims his/her warranty that counts againts the manufacture.
I agree that the figures of Toyota recalls have increased dramatically over the last 5 years… My opinion on it is that plenty of experienced engineers are lured away for more money to join other companies, experienced Toyota engineers are well regarded by the way, they take in new blood and the results show it. But the Toyota way of engineering is very much still copied and emulated by almost all other manufacturers believe me on that one… I expect Toyota to pick up their slump however.
By the way Honda, Subaru and Scion are ahead of Toyota in the latest ranking… mind you Honda and Toyota are the 2 biggest Japanese manufacturers profit wise anyways, Toyota being number 1 overall. Subaru is partly owned by Toyota, rumours are they will take over Subaru in the near future.. Scion is a “young-audience” oriented car brand… guess what.. owned by Toyota.
Still.. I can assure you, In-House Toyota is still high quality… the amount of reviews when it comes to quality of products is top notch… its the suppliers… they usually work with most manufacturers and the quality of the common parts are the same, but sometimes the exclusive parts for toyota gets the same treatment as the other ones.. take that for what its worth. But still in-house manufactured components go through the twice as much reviews as other companies… Toyota breaks their employees balls when it comes to this sort of things!
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October 30th, 2007 at 6:43 am
Hmmmm JD Powers must be right about Toyota, James from Melbourne raises a great point too and like I said being at the top is real hard (and staying there) and getting there is easier. History has proven that in all industries - it is people like TOYOTA PAUL who are in denial. Phonepolls from a tiny count of people is not a true result either as not broad based either. Then again it is like the polls with the Election coming up…in one day the Coalition make half the 16% deficit back which says to me anyone who takes these seriously are tad silly.
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October 30th, 2007 at 9:06 am
I will email you the contact details for the ford dealer….
yeah i wanted genuine wheels but i fell over at the price,and audi had a fit when i told them 20″ wheels fit on a A4!! Work isnt too happy either but they give me a car to do what i want with!!!
Indidval depends how far you want to go, anywhere from $4000 to $25000…
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Paul, what am i twisting?
you have either said it or not.
the fact is you HAVE actually said the very words i have quoted you on.
i have provided quotes/links 3 times now to what you have said
so before you keep swimming round and round in that barrel thinking you are getting somewhere please quote one from myself that has me saying that “Fords have better reliability than Toyotas”.
where have i said it?
provide me with a time and date and the actual text that says i have said those words.
mate thats all you keep having a go at me about so how about you prove i said it.
i have proven where you have said stuff but if you want to keep denying it then what am i to do?
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November 6th, 2007 at 10:51 am
[…] record comes amid some troubled times at Toyota with the company temporarily pulling the TRD Aurion and most recently the all-new V6 RAV4 due to issues with the 2GR-FE 3.5-litre engine . Location: […]
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November 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
A Large camry with a spoiler kit (sigh!)
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November 16th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Toyota usually make low powered cars, apart from the Toyota Supra. Thats probably why there so reliable. The previous Camry looked about as exciting as my old fridge.
Good to see that this TRD is trying to spice things up, but seems rather expensive.
For that price I would much rather a VE Calais with a 6L V8.
As for reliability, I doubt the supercharged V6 would outlast the Gen IV. Time will tell.
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December 5th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Jamison said “the Toyota way of engineering is very much still copied and emulated by almost all other manufacturers believe me on that one…”
I can back that up, I know an Australian Machinery Manufacturer that has employed Toyota Executives from Japan to emulate their production method.
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December 12th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Hmm… 241kW + FrontWheelDrive = This TuRD is a Coffin on wheels.
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December 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Ive said this before and i will say it again, but toyota have made a big mistake with all the TRD Aurions. How stupid are they putting alot of power through the front wheels not the rear, they should have made it AWD or RWD! Toyota Paul, Toyota made a………………..BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!! Mistake!
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February 25th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Nice review.
I’m an Engineer, I’ve had Falcons and Commadores forced on me for over 15years as company work cars. When you spend all week in them you learn to hate them.(thats when there not back getting fixed under warranty)
The problem with Falcadore Taxi owners is they have never driven let alone owned a Toyota so they don’t understand what there missing and they never will.
As for FWD, take it out to a track day, open it up, find its limits, end of problem.
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February 25th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Damo your an engineer……..in what?
Well that’s a pretty bold statement.
I have driven and owned them,along with other front wheel drive cars.Toyota is becoming one of the most blandest manufactures out there.
Finding its limits would be its problem, I guess if your happy with its limits then good on you but it aint going to excite me. Some drivers limits different like cars I guess. I like to test mine by upping the anti not going backwards in performance.
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February 25th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Hi