No Manual for Pontiac G8
19 Oct, 2007
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US customers buying the Australian Holden Commodore-based Pontiac G8 will have to wait until 2009 for a manual transmission - if at all.
As with its Australian counterpart, the Pontiac G8 will be available with either the 3.6-litre V6 or 6.0-litre LS2 V8 engine.
At launch, the only transmission available to the US market will be the six-speed automatic transmission with paddle shift functionality unique to the US.
“It is believed that there will be a manual option for 2009, although GM has yet to confirm if and when a manual will be available.”
US pricing for the G8 will begin at AU$30,962 for the entry level V6 model, and AU$33,655 for the V8 - a virtual slap in the face for Australian buyers.
The Pontiac G8, which relieves the aging Grand Prix, will begin deliveries in the US by 2008.
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Their 6-Speed Auto is not as good the ZF used in the Australian Fords.
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Bentley use the ZF6 for a $600,000 car.
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Ok…. whats with the pricing, we make them here! how come its cheaper to buy it in america after the cost of shipping it there. And they get an auto with a paddle shift… which isnt much ford had gear change buttons on the steering wheel on the T series AU falcons/fairlanes under the FTE options. But anyway are the cars fully assembled here or are exported as Completely Knocked Down kits with parts manufactured in america replacing aussie parts? Or are there taxes and duties that ad cost to purchase here in Oz. Or is holden ripping australians off? (most likely)
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Ok this annoys me. Why do we have to pay 50k for an SS assembled here in Aus, where as the States pay 33k for the same car, inclusive of shipping!
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I think this shows how loyal GMH is to Australia! NOT VERY! :@ Shame on you Holden! Shame on you!
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October 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Aren’t GM going to start building it there ,thats what I read a while ago!
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October 19th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
I think it has become fairly obvious that Holden are focused on making their money with exports.
Look at the new Sportwagon, a smaller cargo area but styling that will be agreeable to overseas markets.
The long wheelbase VE also took priority over the ute and wagon variants (in terms of production) so they could start exporting them as soon as possible.
You can’t fault Holden for going where the money is but it does seem like a slap in the face to Australians.
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October 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
To quote Derryn Hinch “SHAME, SHAME, SHAME” as cheaper then Aussie market and nicer then VE to boot. Any shots of rear as want to see what they did at back to get it much looking better (if thats possible).
“Holden Means a Great Deal To Itself”
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October 19th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
My Son says “Holden means nothing to Australia” I said my son not me…….
So funny yesterday…my sweet and gorgeous ,butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth,string bean blonde hair daughter down to her bum said after she heard some knob in a V…….something V8 Commodore “fully sick mate” top of her voice ,I live in a pretty good neighbor hood so all I could do was try not to crack up and look the other way….Kids are classics!
No idea where she picked it up from?????
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
I don’t see it as a bad thing that Holden is focussing more on exports. If Holden weren’t exporting cars to markets that are far greater than ours we wouldn’t be able to enjoy cars that would very unlikely make it into production if they were solely for the Australian market.
For example Holden sell 3-4 Statesmans in the Middle East for every 1 they sell locally. With more money coming from overseas Holden will not only be able to remain in Business in Australia but also develop their cars; adapt to new technology quicker; and expand their range to include AWD; Turbos; Hatchbacks X-Overs 4×4s and Coupe-Cabriolets all of which could possibly be built here [particularly if/when mitsubishi closes]
Because one of the main reasons Holden only build the Commodore/Statesman/Ute here and that Aussie built cars aren’t as advanced as the Europeans is when you’re in a relatively small market with limited resources you can’t afford to take risks.
So as far as I’m concerned Holdens Export Program can only mean good things for Australia. Afterall BMW MB Audi VW and Porsche Export thousands of cars yet they still look after the locals [with similar products].
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Yeah, I’m a little envious of Holden’s export program, and hope Orion can do a similar thing with LHD conversion designed into it.
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Hmmm… You’d think America would go to war with us for providing them with such crappy material… ie the G8. And what a rip! As much as I loathe Holden, why does the USA get the G8 cheaper over there, compared to the SV6 and the SS over here!? Thats bullcrap! Holden would want to have a good explanation, otherwise Ford will trample them with the arrival of the new Falcon… Which I hope Ford do.
BRING ON THE FALCON ORION!
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
The Orion Falcon will have a likley chance of export to USA, that’s why Ford took one over there. It’s on this site somewhere and it has a link to ‘left lane news’ that has a full screen pic of one that just has car bras, no cladding at the bottom of the doors, or a bord over the rear door 1/4 glass and looks good.
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October 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Yeah, I saw that one being unloaded at Detroit. Looked good.
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
You can’t blame Holden for a product that is manufactured in the US being cheaper than the equivalent product made here.
For start, every car made here has a vast amount of money built into the price to cover every imaginable government impost. To name a few, there is GST, multiply the final price by 9.09% to work it out, there is Corporate income tax of 30% to cover, there are massive amounts for workcare, ADR compliance, etc, etc. GST on a $40000 car is $3636
Then there are the Holden costs, such as the development,tooling, advertising & marketing, which has to be recovered over a FAR smaller model run than in the US, and this could easily be $5000 per car.
It’s not common practise for car companies to make excessive profits in their AU operations due to the very high Corporate tax rate levied here. Almost all car companies that have international parents (I actually think that is ALL of them anyway) will minimise the profits they declare in AU versus the profits they declare elsewhere because at the end of the year the company keeps more of its hard earned.
There are many cases of ATO investigations into such practises, for example a fully imported gearbox might cost the AU division $4000, when the cost to the Japanese head office is only $1000. This neatly transfers $3000 away from the ATO saving $900 tax, and they don’t like it, never have.
That’s a few reasons why the car is cheaper in the US than here.
And if you are wondering why housing affordability is so poor in AU, there are some similarities to the cost of cars, but it’s the wrong forum for that :)
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Well said reckless1, those Ford lovers have no idea. Also despite being less a advantage now but there is still 89 cents to the dollar difference in the U.S favour. Those Ford lovers are just jealous of Holden’s success, something Ford won’t get with the Orion which is still based on a 20th century platform as a result of the losses they made with the AU (awfully ugly),BA ( Bloody awful) and BF ( bloody F—ed).
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
That’s right Football, Hamburgers, Eagles and Holdenwoo cars - same old Holdenwoo fans, wish their dreams are real.
“Orion which is still based on a 20th century” Why, how do you know Ford will go back in time? The AU platform is alot more advanced then the Holdenwoo’s, even though it came from the late 1990s. How do you know the Orion’s using the same platform anyway? I heard it’s using a new one
Maybe you might need to get a mental health check :) LOL!!
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October 19th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Thanks for that “football meat pies kangeroos and Holden cars” (which are less Aussie than Falcon) helpful bit of info. You keep forgetting commodore in VE guise has only JUST NOW beaten the AU’s platform in driving dynamics. Took a lot of years there, congrats.
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
“FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS” Why won’t Ford get success with the Orion, it has not come out yet?
That idiot is just a dreamer, just like all Holdenwoo lovers. Taking their wildest dreams too seriously :D LOL!!
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Nice bit of sarcasm Watto, they also needed to copy someone else’s platform and ideas. Ah… BMW thats a good place to start!!!!!!! 50/50 weight distribution,copy their headlights for the Calais off the 5 series and the wheels for the Calis off the E46 M3 ,the vents in the guards,E46 M3 ,and headlights well either BA sor Audi’s pick a box for the rest of there so called ideas!
Buy the way I am STILL waiting to find out HOW many patents Holden did do with the VE?????????? Oh thats right they were everyone elses ideas!
VE = VERY EXAGGERATED
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
VY(Bloody ugly) VZ(Bloody awful) VE(WTF, F***ing looks like a kid made that in prepschool and also a drunken man that just drunk a whole brewery dry)
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
I try not to resort to sarcasm. That was a lapse. It just that, seriously, the VE isn’t a massive leap over BF that it should have been for a billion dollars.
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October 19th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
That’s right Watto, The VE was ment to be an ambush to Ford, but by the time it came out, it was just a new upgrade, except it was allways ment to be a spoof of other cars.
VE copyed off…
Headlights, spoof of - BMW
Vent behind front wheels, spoof of - Shelby Cobra 427
Wheels, spoof of - BMW (again)
Flared guards, spoof of - Shelby Cobra 427 (again)
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Dont forget that the next model Fiesta is going to be built in Thailand so much for european car.
The Orion is still based on the AU platform because as I said Ford had limited finances to do a completely from the ground up new car.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Going ford is going to the junkheap. you are jealous. Word is there wont be a orion wagon going by the letters section in Victoria’s Herald sun Carsguide magazine. Holdens Sportswagon will just increase Holdens Lead over Ford just like the 3 month waiting list for the VE ute which will put in the top 20 most sold cars if not the top 10
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
“FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS” It’s just Ford are still working on a wagon, just because the media said not doen’t mean any thing!
The FPV Cobra sold like hotcakes, so will the orion.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS, you are a dreamer - so jealous you need to take your dreams too seriously. You seem too be dreaming about the failure of the Orion and it has not even come out yet, it’ll be a new car. “Oh but Ford has limited finances, they can’t”… What? Whatever, if you say Ford are limited, Holdenwoo are just as bad any way. Ford Fiesta is nothing to do with Australia - not as bad as Holdenwoo, having to use Korean stuff.
People who judge cars that haven’t even come out yet e.g ‘FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS’ are a bit… you know :D off! LOL!
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
“FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS” is that the best you could come up with mate, festiva from tailand?
the rest of fords range is from germany or designed/engineered in germany. focus will be made in oz in a coupla years. better than a daewoo deathtrap like the barina or the rest of holdenwoos pox lineup. commoydore is the only good thing they have left.
you think orion won’t go one better yet again? haha we’ll see. ss and above ok but you can keep your garbage 4 speed and gutless v6.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
+ RUDD
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
You didnt respond to the exports from Thailand, why not?
Show me proof of the Cobra’s success. I very much doubt it, yet there is proof about the minimum 3 month waiting list for the ute and orders are already being taken for the sportswagon despite a on sale date not until the 2nd quarter of next year.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS, I bet you’ll be so jealous when the Orion FPV comes out, you’ll explode! LOL! :D
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
Maybe I got the small cars name wrong, thats how forgetable it is. But the Ford that has the xr4 model is going to be exported to Australia from Thailand
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Who cares, Holdenwoo gets away with not making any other car in australia, but Dunnydore, Ford can just use one car any way from some… Why do you hate Thailand? Racist hey?
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
Pure jealousy brings not pathetic comments like yours Going Ford, Going to pieces. Small mind you have proved yourself to have. I have better things to do than read the pathetic excuse of a mind all night.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Actually I dont hate Thailand, I actually speak Thai and have a home in Lop Buri. Those blasting Korean cars are th racist ones. Khobkhunkrab and sawadeekrab. Bet you wont know what those 2 thai words mean.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
“Show me proof of the Cobra’s success. I very much doubt it”
Go to Cobra Falcon Confirmed on this site. It says, “dealers are allready taking orders” and that was long before it came out.
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Thats funny considering the Cobra was no certainty. Orders were started at the time the Cobra made its appearance at Bathurst. You go to a Holden dealer and try and buy a Holden ute without a minimum 3 month wait. Why not check news.com. au carsguide site and read the review on the HSV Malloo
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
Ummm is that Mandarin as I think Rudd spoke those words too
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October 19th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Will you say that to my Thai family, oh my father in law was liutenant colonel of the Thai army. You wouldnt dare say that to him
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS said…
“Pure jealousy brings not pathetic comments like yours Going Ford, Going to pieces. Small mind you have proved yourself to have. I have better things to do than read the pathetic excuse of a mind all night.”
WTF? It seems you are a bit “jealous” because you go on about stuff that does’t mean any thing and taking dreams too seriously. You the one that chose to hate Fords then stuff you just hope would happen when you have no idea whatsoever, small minded dreamer.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Fairdinkum no Manuel (K) for this, like thats odd! Is a spare tyre included???? LOL
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
GO KEVINO7, get rid of that good for nothing liar called Little Johnny Coward oops I mean HoWARd. Little Johnny you are Australias weakest link…….Goodbye
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Wait wait ………..Ive got it but only in Russian.
Holden всасывает сухие Wobblers Golly!!!!!!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
No pun was intended, just want you to stop like getting upset at each other. I was trying to ask - what those two words mean?
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Going to pieces, your the one who is having ago at Holden. If you keep spinning s h i t sooner or later it will stick to your brain dead mind. I will respond to no hope, racist, loser, lover of Fixed Or Repaired Daily cars
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Isnt it funny how Holden Golly Wobblers is still the same in Russian? Amazing!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
What the, I feel like I have been clobbered on the cranium with the boomerang that was chucked, then she hitz me on the nogging (thud…ouch!) and I breakfall and land on me butt (aargh shivers)! What the hell does that mean BM!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
Khobkhunkrab is Thank you and sawadeekrab is Hello in thai for females its khobkhunka and sawadeeka while the ones I said are the masculine words. These are just 2 easy words to start with
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
This one is starting to fester, shitty crappy smell and pong (this is not a town near Hong Kong or King Kong or a vietkong or ping pong) guys…..lighten up!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Holden has acrostics too you know. e.g H-olden O-wners L-ick D-ick E-very N-ight.
FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS, you the one that just hates Ford for no reason. I think you might be about 15 years old or less.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Fairdinkum matey, could honestly not pass that spelling test once I would study for it as seems like a real humdinger to put that in the memory bank upstairs.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Rubber necks…..LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, etc
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Know there is a thought ex-union leaders in full bloom under Dudd, who is rubber necking, LOL
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Hey Football Meat Pies and Holden Cars….
Proof of the Cobra…… he says ” Thats funny considering the Cobra was no certainty. Orders were started at the time the Cobra made its appearance at Bathurst.”
Yes it was a certainty ,we were told at the beginning of the year that there was going to be a Cobra ,people started placing orders for them 3 months in advance thats why half were sold before Bathurst was announced ,oh and Ford announced it to the public on the 2nd of October days before Bathurst. Was it a hit,well I guess if they have only been released for a little over 2 weeks and sold out ,plus going for $23,000 over the recommended retail price like the one on EBAY last night that sold for $94.000 ,I would say thats a success! When was the last time Holden released a limited ED that sold out and increased in value by that amount? How is that lovely limited edition thing that Holden released at the show going,sold out yet??????
Look out hes bringing his father inlaw in to it! ,hes 12 !
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Going to pieces lovers of Ford, Try tripling the age you said and you would be closer to the mark. Going by your comments you seem to have not even reached 10. Maybe your mummy should take your PC away till you learn respect. Oh regarding your acronym for Holden my answer is it takes one to know one.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
Anyway I am going to transfer to my windows mobile 6 pocket pc so I can concentrate on my reading away from crap like you.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Pretty good return, better then banks or stockmarket for sure!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Final comment tonight. If going ford is the going thing why are they behind Holden in the sales race. At Least Holden are second behind Toyota and not like Ford who is a distant third.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
It means Holden Sucks Dry Golly Wobblers!!!!!!!
We use a translator site all the time with overseas customers.Comes in quiet handy,numerous times I told people in Spanish on this site when they annoy me they drive a brown prius!hahaha
Dictionary.com/translator I think it is!
Hey Me doesn’t matter how many languages you put Holdenwoo into its still stays the same! Damn!!!!!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
6 edition, wow not released here yet?
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Oh I have shares with transdev, CBA, Perpetual and own 2 houses 1 here and 1 Lopburi Thailand plus a couple of beach houses so by investments are varied. As they say in Indonesia Salamat malam. terima kasih
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Hey who cares as Ford is increasing its range with classy as cars, so before you squirt your genepool of Vauxhall, Opel that saved your sorry ass onto us - WE DON’T CARE. You do care as Bathurst was a disaster so good night mate?
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Hes a 12 year old girl cause we all know chicks like the last word ha!
So I replied to his question and I get another? Told you hes a kid……but why,????????
Why is Holden in front,cause there are more bogans that drive Holdens than Fords?
I know thats not the reason but we have all discussed that thing tooo many time before! Some one should cut and paste someones previous answer and save it for times like this when we cant be bothered!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Hey dumbo, we dont care what you have, but we can see up high upstairs at what ya aint got!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
do not sneeze as sawdust might appear on ya shoulders. lol
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Blast it one more comment, maybe this year was a disaster for Holden but they have still won 3 times as many as Ford and I live very close to the house of Australia’s best ever motor car racer the late Peter Brock whose houses are in Hurstbridge and Eltham and I knew him and was party of his funeral party.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
Klink your missing Chasers
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
as arnie says ASATA LA VISTA
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
3 times as many ,,,,,,,,,see he cant count either !
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Naughtyius Maximus, speak for yourself because I will know more now than you will in a lifetime. It takes brains to make money, something you most likely will never come close to me in your lifetime. Bugger you useless pieces of s h i t. Ive got better things to do than bother with scums of the planet
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
YEAH, this rabbit rabbitting randomly is rather running rampant really well. LOL
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Hey braincell, Iam a homebuilder and you just cant top me; so cut that thing hanging off your forehead please. There There, look I know it is late, but we like your skills at breaking out and trying to stay ok, ok so dont lose it as you are getting upset at times homey boy!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Bricks and Tiles here is made of mortar and straw and palm fronds I do not use and thus for clients Downunder I certainly never order.
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
Gee Klink ….what can we do with one? I thought he was going to bed!
It takes brains to make money….thats a smart comment! Have you written any books on the subject?
You know he will be back…..hes like bird flu!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Got it, aargh yes you mean foot and mouth
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Or maybe Mad Cow disease…. OK Iam now LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Me thinks he is the BRAINS puppet off the THUNDERBIRDS
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Thanks for the laughs I am off……. Dont forget to pack your wings tomorrow if that plane looks a bit suss!
Have fun
Cheers Lisa
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Order, Order, Order is know in the house!
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October 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Ciao R
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October 20th, 2007 at 12:01 am
“FOOTBALL, HAMBURGERS, EAGLES AND HOLDENWOO CARS” seems to be the Holdenwoo version on Toyota Paul because you can tell him a point, but ignore it because he has no answer to it and repeat something that is Bull**** that you just proven wrong. Anyone remember Mathew? If he had no answer to anything, he’d go into immature personal comments and repeat them again and again to fill in gaps. Oh well, we should feel sorry for them because of their mental condition, so sad…NOT :) LOL!
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October 20th, 2007 at 12:03 am
“Me thinks he is the BRAINS puppet off the THUNDERBIRDS” When did I say that KFC (AKA Klink)?
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October 20th, 2007 at 8:04 am
Not you, your fine - tis other pretzel dipstick dumb dumb referring too mate!
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October 20th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Ah so I see…. football meat pies kangeroos and Holden cars
didn’t come back after I left?
Ran out of why questions ?????
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October 20th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Gee these posts turn into crap. From both sieds.
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October 20th, 2007 at 9:51 am
Stop being so serious mate ,it was late no one else was on except us……we had fun thats what forums are about to you know! Let your hair down and relax a bit! We all know how to be serious when needed!
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October 20th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Its not Holdens fault, cars in the US are generally a lot cheaper then there Aussie equal. The UK have to pay roughly AUD$80,000 to get behind a Vauxhall VXR and they see it as a bargain.
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October 20th, 2007 at 10:54 am
B Missile, it’s name is “Football Hamburgers Eagles and Holdenwoo Crap”. Because it mean more to USA than Australia.
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October 20th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Do they see it as a bargain ???????? I could have bought a new E46 M3 for the same money in the UK too,thats a bargain!
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October 20th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Football meat pies Kangaroos and Holden cars, you must be piqued that not a single blogger picked up your delicious post of 10.58am, where you said, “You would not dare say that to him.”
Not even Naughtius Maximus responded. SHAME!
I’m afraid your humour was just FAR too sophisticated for here.
G8 looks cool. Don’t get upset about the USA pricing, kids. (This is me staying on topic, okay?) :)
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October 20th, 2007 at 11:49 am
If “Football Hamburgers Eagles and Holdenwoo Crap” comes back, I hope it sees this…
HA,HA! If you talk immature, so can I. The FPVs look better than any HSV, HSV are so dumb they can’t do anything to make them look better than their opposition and all they can do is to have a tiny bit more power from crate engines from overseas. WOW…NOT!
Who the Fuck is, “Going to pieces lovers of Ford” and “Going Ford, going to pieces”? They must be someone you dreaming of. :D LOL
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October 20th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
does this tool that calls himself football meat pies kangeroos and Holden cars realise that when the BA came out there were big waiting lists on the XR6T????
a waiting list doesnt always mean they are selling heaps more it just means they are not making enough.
take a look at buying a porsche and you will find a 2 year waiting list is common. does that mean that they must sell a hell of a lot more porsches than falcons?
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October 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
The last time Holden released a limited edition car which sold out as quickly as the Cobra was the HSV GTS-R
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October 20th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
We had so much fun with him last night there was no one else on except 3 of us! I was in fits of laughter! I like how many times he kept saying he was going and he would come back! I really don’t think he has any idea of anything!Very true Andrew thats exactly what a waiting list is! We waited 6 months for the BA 12 months for a Merc once!
Hey Wheelnut what do they go for now and what were they new? Is that that bright yellow one with the ricer looking wing on the back?
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October 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
i traded a GTSR in the other day and it was worth nothing, i sold it quickly though!!! i think it it was worth 18000 wholesale or something like that…
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October 20th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
So what year where they?
I guess they were more than that new then!
Tonyn,you don’t work for the dark side????????
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October 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
That thing last night, verry immature, but funny how a dip stick can’t think about reality and kept saying i’m jealous for no reason… :) What a tool! LOL!!!!
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October 20th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Supercheap are having TOOL sale !
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October 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Any Footballs, Hamburgers, Eagles and Crap from Holdenwoo there?
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October 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
If so, i’ll put Holes in them HOLdenwoos.
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October 20th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
no i work for a european brand…. id go on the dole before i worked for the dark side!!!
it was 1996 and they were abou the 80 to 90,000 mark!
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Gee that was a good little return for a limiter run Commodore ha.!
The dole hey…at lest the Commy driver saw the light and got out of it!
The V8s are about to start here I think!
Cant believe Winterbottoms penalty for his timing issue yesterday….it went out of the 6 degrees allowed, for around 1.6 sec and they put him to the back row!!!!!!!!
Go the Fords!!!!!!!
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
im hearing you, im at work at the dealership…. i cant exactly yell and scream at the television here…. but i will be glued to it wishing the fords along!!!!
Yeah the resale sucks on it hey!! im sure he will be happy with his new v8 purchase…..
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Nope not on… just trying to get me to stay watching……..Indys ok but I prefer the pinnacle of motor racing …F1 ! Maybe its the voices that go along with Indy that drives me!!!!!!
Dont you guys close at 12.00 like they do here? Sucks to be you ha!
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Yeah, 20% retained value after 11 years, BM. Ah well, it’s only a car. That’s depreciation for you.
Don’t expect anything grander out of the current batch of HSVs and FPVs 11 years down the track. They’ll just be used cars.
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Not all of the FPV range though,not sure how the other half will go trying to claim the Cobra against his tax ? I guess just the repayments will count no depreciation .That will have the accountant puzzled.for once!
I guess when he sells it he will have to pay capital gains on it!
Hey golfschwein ,I think the FPV badge holds its value better ! Yep they seem to devalue in the first 5 years but some like the TS50s and TE50s and more resent the 40th anniversary and Cobras for ford have done real well.
Even some of the early Tickford GTs went down and are now going up! Thats Ford ,I guess there still the Epitome of Australian muscle and Collectors cars in Australia and in the World if you look per capita!
Even most of the yank stuff cant hold a candle to our GTs in return for your money!
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October 20th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
To Football Meat Pies Kangeroos and Holden cars;
For all the intelligence and perception in investments you appear to have, you’re still a product of Holden Marketing wizardry.
If the best you can pull out of your hat is the Fiesta being built in Thailand…that says everything I need to know.
Mazda and Ford a pumping half a billion dollars just to bring the Manufacturing plant up to world standard. Oh and I forgot to mention that Honda make the V6 Accord in Thailand.
Holden are now in the business of manufacturing half-arsed products iced with some well thought up marketing (the only quality component of the product they are selling I might add) and because of this, Joe average IQ succumbs to the great lie that Holden have worked so hard to maintain; that they are indeed Australian where in reality the Lion and steering wheel are the only thing that remain of the once Australian Company that was bought up before they could even manufacture the FJ.
Compare a Daewoo built sub-standard gutless wonder known as the Epica (a half arsed name) to the European Car of the Year; a la’ Mondeo- oh wait, there is NO comparison.
The Falcon which will be based on a COTY platform that will be even more improved with Territory components(oh wait…another COTY) as well as heavily revised drivelines, all new body/sheet metal as well as the Ideals that Ford uphold of not skimping on quality for the sake of making more dollars unlike your beloved Holden which are now in reality “The commodore company” and everything else comes out second rate.
Perhaps if you did as much research in your shares and investments as you did your can-do-no-wrong-GMH, you would actually have made some sort of a valid argument.
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
no im here till 6!!! i wish i left at 12, but its all good
Taking an RS4 for the night i think…. that will be a good saturday night cruiser…. and will look good next to the XA in the shed!
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Very nicely said Chris.
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Hey Chris, I checked out the Mondeo TDci hatch this morning. Very impressed, even if the rear passenger door handle garnish came off in my hand.
Check the stats. This thing is 86mm shorter than a Falcon, but is wider, higher, wider-tracked and lighter than a Falcon by the weight of, just guessing, the tail shaft. Oh, it’s easier to get in and out of, too. The 9 year old AU-BF architecture’s hooped roof and door apertures were always too much for my 184cm frame, so that’ll hopefully be one great improvement with Orion.
Mondeo will slaughter Crapica.
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
So you work for Audi?????????
Make sure they don’t fight in the garage,cant trust those XAs with Euro stuff ! hehehehe .M3 is keeping the XA company tonight cause Henry’s a little lonely since the BA left!
Gee I hope they don’t start that I can rev harder than you game they like to play!!!!!!hahahaha The neighbors won’t be happy! XA will win ,depending on what MSD rev limiter chip hubby has installed . We have choices!!!
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
if you want to compare depreciation against each other have a look at the EL GT which is pretty much the same age as the GTS-R
last i knew the EL GT was going for around $90K and that was a while a go i last heard of prices on them.
Missile have you heard the recent value of them?
special models from ford seem to be much more appreciated than those from holden
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
How does the Brock EA fare? I can’t be ratted looking it up, but suspect it’s no different to any other $1500 EA.
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
How much would a EB GT? I guss a bit pricey now, only 265 cars were made(15 were sent to New Zealand).
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October 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
That was the model I was trying to think of Andrew ,thanks! A great comparo to the GTS-R ! OOPPPSS its back on, so will I next add!
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Forget it,just some chick who cant sing the national anthem !
Brock……EA thats a oxymoron isn’t it … I don’t think I have ever seen one!
Andrew you don’t see them come up for sale ……
Seen a few EBs but I love the look of the EL GTs nice looking car!
EB GTS are up to $50,000 I think ,another Andrew in our club also a mate!! bought a doggy one for about $25,000.
Got to go now!!!!!!!Back soon!
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
As long as it doesn’t have a “polariser” on it :-)
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
In relation to the GTS-R they made 75 of them which sold for $75000 - 10 of which had an HRT Option Pack
However; the value of a car can vary depending upon:
the number of cars made of that particular model;
the condition the car is in;
activity and trends in the market;
whether you sell it at auction trade in or private sale; what the car means to the buyer and how much they want it
I say this because Tonyn traded his GTS-R in and only got $18,000. However; at Auction a couple of years ago #05 [which was one of 10 with the GRT Option Pack] sold for $120;000 - it was in mint condition with low Kms and had a full history.
Andrew M says EL GTs are worth $90,000 whereas a couple of years ago my mate traded his in and only got $30,000
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
there is a website, whats it called? It’s… www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle/85003
There is a Brock EA Falcon, didn’t want much for it.
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Yep there is a Walking Stick Commodore in the latest Unique cars for $130,000 with almost no ks on it ,if that was a EL GT it would go for $150+k
It seems only the real low ks Commys go for big prices!
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October 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Thats number 1 car ME …..done a lot of ks!!!!!!!!Still think thats a good price for it!
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October 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
I thought I would be alot more than what they asking for, even it’s done more than 200,000kms. Should of been sold allready by now.
Looks like Ford’s 70s slogan has won against Holdenwoo’s one! If the false slogan comes back, it’ll have not much to say other than saying “jealous” and acrostics of the Ford name.
GOING FORD, IS THE GOING THING!
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October 21st, 2007 at 9:28 am
yeah bavarian i work for Audi… or a dealership at least!!
Yeah you cant trust those XA’s!!! my TS50 is feeling a bit lonely but i have had to store it somewhere else!!!
Its all good the RS4 and the XA got on… hehehe… i think it was a motoring enthuiasts delight in my shed last night…. sounds like a pretty potent XA you have! mine is very mild, 450hp flywheel but i never built it to race, i just wanted it to sound cranky at traffic lights!
El GT’s are slowly creeping up in value…. i have been hunting for a good one and they are getting back to the $50k mark… the GTSR i traded was reasonable, needed 4 tyres and maybe the front bumperbar painted… it had done 105000 klms and did have the HRT enhances decal on the guards…. sounds like it was a good buy, i should of kept it… i dont think i could handle having a dark side product in my garage… actually i couldnt…
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October 21st, 2007 at 10:12 am
I forgot you had the TS50 ,we almost bought one but decided to wait for the BA. Funny thing is the TE and TS are bringing more money????? They were last of the old winsor and went pretty good,the other half loved the paddle shift,thought it great. I like a good old manual though!
What colour is it?
Only 450 hp in the XA thats 150 more than they came with! You want it to sound cranky at the lights..hahaha ,pull out the manual choke!
Mr Bavarian is a mechanic by trade and built all of the cars he or I have owned ! As much as I understand people having cheque book cars its nice if you can do it yourself.
Apart from painting it and manufacturing exhaust he assembled everything,looking back I guess we now wish we hadn’t modified it so much with the price being where they are,but he has started buying original bits for it again with the though of restoring it to original one day! If you threw some globes on it and didn’t look under the car,in the boot or under the bonnet you would think stock! Interior is untouched !
We started rebuilding it in 1993 ,to its now modified state,previous to that it was just a tidy XA Coupe with big wheels on it!
I like the EL GTs you would be amazed at what some of these cars are changing hands for in the clubs! Most GTs these days are sold through a friend of a friend !
Would love to see your XA , my old one and yours could have been twins! Mine had a factory sun roof!
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October 21st, 2007 at 10:31 am
if you give me an email i can send some pics!
My Xa was repainted in 1973 and still has that paint on it, trim is untouched even the 8 track player still works! I have not modified it structually but my car has an interesting history, has been in the family since new… I will send you a email if you would like!
The TS50 is blueprint, i didnt want that colour but ended up with it, i have modified it a bit but not too far, has 20″ front wheels and 22″ rear wheels and lowered. Its a great car… i was going to buy a BA until i drove the TS and ended up with that! I am just about to put it on the market though… i am not usuing it and i need shed space for another project! and i usually have to leave one car outside!
EL Gt’s are hard to find if you want a good one, i have given up on that thought, i am chasing a DJR 320 i think i would like one of those….
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October 21st, 2007 at 11:10 am
I am going to ask David to allow you to email him so he can give you my email address,I don’t want to give it out on the site as its a business email and as Alborz seems to be too busy in Melbourne this weekend Ill try this method first!
So how good is the paint ? Mine had been on blocks for 10 years before I bought it in 1989 ,paid $13,000 ,that was a lot of money for a XA 4 door then ! Steve Choppings Dad use to own it ,I am from Tassie originaly so it was a one owner car when I bought it! Mine had had a hit on the back left hand door and didn’t line up properly and some one had polished the black out on the bonnet,a few little dents but nothing major but I got it repainted and had the engine re built cause it was blowing smoke from sitting around so long the bores had glazed up! Interior was imaco .
Steve Chopping I think is the Chief Steward of V8 Supercars now!
Blue Print……nice colour ! You have pimped it? Did you keep the original wheels?
Had a DJR over here for sale a while ago….how many did they make of them?
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October 21st, 2007 at 12:03 pm
paint is 99%, it is brillian, if i had to do anything i would repaint the black again, but other than that it is perfect. i couldnt help myself with the GT either, it had 18×7 and 18×9 simmons, but i have a set or genuine ford globes and the original 12 slots with aquajets…. other than a few internal engine mods it is standard… when i can email you i will tell you some history on my car it is pretty good! my family had my gt in a temp controlled shed, so it was preserved well…. but needed a mechanical rebuild after is sat unturned for 20 years! it took me two days to unpack the apple boxes around it to get it out!
TS50 i have pimped a bit, i love playing with cars, but i always keep all the stock gear for my cars… ill send you a pic of it too it looks the goods with the big wheels on it, just something different! One of my past loves now resides in perth and he works for a dealer over there, it was an XR8 sprint!
I have located a DJR, it is a little pricey but i think i will try to squeeze it in my collection, hence why i need to sell the TS if i do it…. but i have grown attached to the TS, it is a great car… wish it was manual but! although i have fallen in love with the RS4…
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October 21st, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Hey Tony go over to the Cobra GT 302 Engine page ! I have told you how to get Davids link!
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October 21st, 2007 at 12:32 pm
just did…. when i get the address ill send you the pics!! i am itching to get mt GT out for a cruise now and im stuck at work….. and then have to go to the motorshow… another late night and no fun weekend!! hehehe…
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October 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Hey Tony ,David has just emailed me and siad if your email comes back to you send again,his mail box was full!
Your at work again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gee I didn’t know dealers were open on Sundays in the East!!!!! Many lookers ?
Packup day at the show today? I hate packup at a trade event,when we do the Hong Kong trade fair we hire everything we can get our factory to deliver the stock to the fair,we assemble display and on the last day just leave the stand as is! Stock is worth very little and they donate unwanted stock to charity! I guess big cars are a little different ,hahahaha
So when do you get to drive it? You part of a club?
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October 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pm
i am there till seven to sell then im out of there!!! we work 7 days here, i havent had a day off in two weeks cause of the motorshow!
i havent driven the Gt for at least three months! i am a member of the GT club in NSW
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October 21st, 2007 at 2:47 pm
I have asked David if he has received your email?
So you didn’t get over to the West for the GT Nationals at Easter? Was a blast!
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October 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Hey Tonyn David hasn’t received anything yet,did you try sending it again?
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October 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pm
sorry been at the mnotorshow i will resend it now!!
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October 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pm
just resent the email to david, he should get it now, i sent you my personal and work emails!
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October 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Cheers…….
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October 21st, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Check your personal email address!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 8:24 am
sorry i did the typical male thing…. went to sleep on the lounge! just sent you the pics then, i will send more when im at home!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 8:25 am
and no i didnt get to west for the Gt nationals, i had my trip booked but i enede up changing jobs and it was hectic, so i didnt go, i will be at the next nationals though!!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 am
hahaha on the couch ha,I thought thats what women did,guys do it the chair!hehehe. Ah the joys of getting older!
Next Nationals is in Adelaide,not sure if we will take ours,will go though!
Off to do the school drop Gym and a solarium now.Back in a few hours,enjoy the pics!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 am
yeah some awesome cars you have! My girl was asleep right next to me so there you go…. everyone is happy! hehehe…
I will be taking mine to adelaide, i might be a wuss but and trailer it, i dont know if i want to drive all that way! i know i will prob end up driving it but….
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October 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Trailer it!!!!!!! We have a fully enclosed trailer for ours but no longer have a Landcruiser,,could hire one I guess!
Problem is with driving them you just about have to sleep in them with a shotty to ensure their not stolen!
Most of the guys with Phase 3s put them in containers !
Hell of a lot of money on the foreshore in Perth the Saturday the Nationals were on……had a free show and shine ,great day never seen so many GTs in one location!
Heres a tip if your going to show it,make sure everything is open if bonnets and boots are shut judges wont judge them, you will miss out on points! Have you got many trophies for it! DO YOU SHOW BOTH !
I better get to work ,phone calls are banking up ,may have to sack myself otherwise…..hahaha gee its good being a director!!!!!!!!!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
yeah i know what your saying with driving them, if i still have a Q7 i will trailer it, other than that i guess i will drive it…. i do love driving it but you cant keep them anywhere now!
I usually open it all up, or leave just the boot closed, im not a fan of how the boot looks inside.
XA i show all the time, the TS i havent even really driven, ive put 1500 klms on it since i bought it! i have a few trophies for the XA, but none for the TS i have only ever done the sydney all ford day in it! i went to the all ford day in bathurst when it was there was great to see all the Gt’s lined up!
Yes being a director is good fun, i miss running my own business!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Bavarian Missile: thoought you;d be interested in this -
General Motors vice-president Bob Lutz has given Holden a glowing wrap after his trip to Australia last week the focus of which was to get an update on the development of Holdens RWD projects in particular the line-up of left-hand-drive cars coming out of Holden’s design and development departments such as the Camaro and G6 [Torana]
“I have never experienced an automotive company [such as Holden], including my three years at BMW, that has so much passion for excellence and dedication to the product,” said Lutz.
Now you might think “Of course hes going to say that.” However; this is a man who is known in the industry for speaking his mind and is not afraid to criticise his own products.. for example he once said that “we aussies build better than the yanks. even though he knew it would upset
a number of fellow execs, jounralists and fans back home
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October 22nd, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Who really cares? The six speed auto is a slow piece of crap regardless of how many gears there are. From numerous reports I have heard that the six speed auto in the SS acheived higher fuel consumption than the previous povo 4 speeder in the VZ SS. So, it really doesn’t matter because the gearbox sucks balls anyway. If you want a decent autobox V8 just go ford, it is a much better overall package.
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October 22nd, 2007 at 8:41 pm
That’s right Damo, everyone here has gone off topic.
GM’s 6-Speed Auto is not as good the ZF, which used in the Australian Fords.
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 pm
ok drop everything….
whats the DJR320 worth????
now that is certainly one you dont see every day. sure you see the odd EL GT and T series every now and then but from memory i dont think i can say ive ever seen a DJR320 driving around.
i thought i nearly saw one one day but it was just a modded Ba GT with a shaker.
ive prob seen i think 2 GTS-R’s around before
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Nice to have you back Damo!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Sorry Wheelnut,you said
General Motors vice-president Bob Lutz has given Holden a glowing wrap after his trip to Australia last week the focus of which was to get an update on the development of Holdens RWD projects in particular the line-up of left-hand-drive cars coming out of Holden’s design and development departments such as the Camaro and G6 [Torana]
“I have never experienced an automotive company [such as Holden], including my three years at BMW, that has so much passion for excellence and dedication to the product,” said Lutz.
Now you might think “Of course hes going to say that.” However; this is a man who is known in the industry for speaking his mind and is not afraid to criticise his own products.. for example he once said that “we aussies build better than the yanks. even though he knew it would upset
a number of fellow execs, jounralists and fans back home
Right I will sell the M3 tomorrow you think and buy what Holden for it????????????? Andrew maybe you could give him some ideas!
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October 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 pm
That last comment helped Holden didn’t it!!!!!!!
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October 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pm
ok maybe ive misread wheelnuts comments.
at no time was i implying that VE is as good as BMW i obviously missed something.
hey isnt G6 a registered name in fords hands??
so how about a price on what DJR320’s are going for?
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October 24th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Forgiven!!!!
Yep trade marked to Ford,I thought.
Go on to Australian Muscle Car Sales……..they may have sold one? Tonyn would know being in the industry otherwise!
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October 24th, 2007 at 8:52 am
i am looking at buying a DJR320 at the min, aroubnd the $45 to 50k mark should see you into one at the min! i have only been able to find one at the min for sale.
they are rare as, one of the reasons i have ditched the BF cobra idea for one!!
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October 24th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
AndrewM ,Tonyn has answered your question!
A much better alternative for the Wife than a boring FAIRMONT YAWNNNNNNNNNN! Sorry I said I would stop stirring you didn’t I !!!!!
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October 24th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
ha ha ha ha
my ideal turbo fairmont????
maybe a low K’s XR turbo with some nice fairmont wheels? you can get the turbos for a bloody good price now and that means getting one a few years old leaves plenty of money to trick it up.
im prob not ready for a DJR 320 yet. it would have to be the 3rd car and i dont have room to accomodate it in the way it should be accomodated yet. and the key word is yet!!!
maybe a phase 5 might be a proposition? (or maybe just a dream he he he he)
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October 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Even though the G6 and G8 may be registered names of Ford. GM would still be allowed to use them because; except in the case of Major Trademarks the US doesn’t recognise product names and the like.
I mean Ford could register the name “Typhoon” for example in Australia - with international reference.. and for some reason under US Law GM could also use the name “Typhoon” on one of their cars.
They get away with it because if Ford wanted to sue GM it would have to be done under US law [because that’s where the breach was comitted] and US law allows it to happen.
Yet if a US company registered a particular product name and Ford tried to register the same name you would most likely be sued under international law for $000s if not $000,000’s
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October 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Ahhh so you stopped sweeping the garage? For the Phase 5 for the moment……as I said to Cobra 045……..when Ford finally announce them they will be all pre sold!!!!! You want a heads up prior so you can reserve one in 2 years!!!!
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October 24th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
I hear what your trying to say Wheelnut but from my experience in trade marking and design registering Ford would have a case in Australia if GMH tried too !
We have our products trade marked in Europe,Australia {has shit laws by the way……..and because we registered in Europe and Australia first we get first preference in the USA ……so wouldn’t Ford if they tried to fight GM?
Our products are both design and trade marked in all countries!
We have fought large companies and won before ………I think it comes down to Fords care factor on it!
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October 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
yeah the fact that GM would only use it in the US made me think that the laws might provide a sort of loop hole.
i suppose it depends exactlly how they registered it. dont forget that ford is also a US company too and if it (G6 and G8 etc) were also affiliated with that branch then im sure it would be oh oh!! because someone would be upset then.
hey wheelnut have you heard the new holden ute Radio ads? you know where they go through the history 1967, 1977, 1987,1997,2007 commenting on each year when each came out….. have you heard it?
well whats wrong with what i listed??
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October 24th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
That’s pretty much what it comes down to Missile.
whether you can be bothered to pursue legal action; whether or not you’re prepared to spend $000s on a court case - providing you have the $ [which in reality neither Ford or GM-H or any other car maker for that matter] have.
The only way around it is if GM “agrees” to pay Ford for the use of the name like car companies pay for using the acronyms like ABS; ESP; SRS; DOD; MRC; SMG etc
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October 24th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Andrew - I have heard it and I noticed that they say “1987″ when infact Holden didn’t have a ute in the VL series.. Although I have seen one custom built VL ute with stepsides etc
Holden; are just hoping that the majority of people wouldn’t pick-up on it [no pun intended]
However; the reason they say 1987 could be because most “Advertising Gurus” wouldn’t know either.
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October 25th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
thats right they skipped the ute for quite a while through those series.
yep they must be counting on most people not knowing. and like you said the people trying to sell the new utes prob dont realise either.
i just found it quite funny that they cound play on the revolution of the 1987 holden ute and the great things it brought yet there was no such thing. ha ha ha ha ha ha
although holden does a great job of marketing they really leave themselves open to be torn apart by other manufacturers. if holden were in the great debate they would look mighty silly.
oh its good to see holden tv ads now only say they are celebrating “this month” rather than celebrating “bathurst this month”.
a little bit of editing has finally removed mention of bathurst.
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October 25th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Yes, I noticed that they changed their ads. I suppose they don’t want Ford fans making fun of them any more.
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:22 am
Making fun of them? Are you serious. You should come to the drags one week and see who is laughing at who.
Also, who is winning in the sales race? Yeah, thats what I thought. Boo Hoo you 14 year old freak.
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October 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
ME STFU you stuipid bogan ocka. Nobody cares if you drag a vl ss and some ancient unbadged ford down near the trailorpark and then go and wank on about it down at your public library. The fact that you are questioning peoples age clearly shows you areprobably 14 years or less than. If you referring to real drag cars (which you never go to, which shows your lack of knowledge) you would have realised that the cars have extremely heavy mods, run different fuel ocatne ect, and are not ROAD LEGAL! And finally if you could actually read and were able to go to a legal drag session you would see that many of the cars are not bogan-doores and that they do not usually win. So go back to your flipping trailorpark as your beans are getting cold and stop using government funded internet access as I pay for it you bastard.
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October 27th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Whos ME? what an idiot!
HAHA at leats I’m alot older than 14, unlike you less than 10. Just because Holden out sells Ford doesn’t mean it’s a better car.
WHO THE FU*K USES DOORSLAMMER DRAGS FOR ANY REASON TO SAY “HOLDEN MAKE BETTER ROAD CARS”? …umm, dumbarses do!
Dragcars use modified Chev engines with superchargers.
Do Holden make cars with superchar