Holden Commodore VE Series 2 BUSTED!

By Paul Maric | July 04th, 2010

Several months ahead of its anticipated launch, CarAdvice can bring you exclusive scoop photos of the Holden VE Commodore Series 2. Initially dubbed the VF Commodore, the VE Commodore Series 2 will incorporate similar design characteristics with a modified interior and new engine options.

These computer generated images of the Commodore Omega Sportwagon and Commodore Berlina sedan depict exactly what the vehicles will look like when they hit the market soon after being announced to the public in August, 2010.

While exterior design changes are fairly minimal, they will see the VE Commodore receive its first visual refresh since launch in 2006.

Changes include a new headlight cluster across the Commodore sedan and Sportwagon range. The headlights now tilt in slightly close to the grille, opposed to their current sharp pointing end.

A new grille will also be adopted across the Commodore sedan and Sportwagon range. The new grille is shaped similar to the HSV E2 Senator and has been designed in such a way to adopt a sportier image. Luxury models such as Berlina, Calais and Calais V-Series also receive chrome treatment on the grille, allowing them to stand out from the crowd.

The final major changes to the front end include a new bonnet line that flows all the way down beyond the grille, in addition to new fog light clusters and lower bumper-bar lips.

Changes to the rear are even less substantial with all Commodore sedan models receiving a mild bootlid lip spoiler. This in turn reduces the size of the Holden badge on the rear to compensate for the room required for the bootlid lip spoiler.

Exterior styling changes to the Caprice are very minimal with new wheels and revised tail-lights the only changes worthy of mention.

The SS V-Series receives a remodelled halogen projector cluster, but HID lights and DRL (Daytime Running Lights) similar to those fitted to the Caprice and HSV range respectively won’t make the cut for VE2 Commodore sedan and Sportwagon.

A four-piston (front) and single-piston (rear) Brembo brake package will be available on the sports models, similar to that seen on the limited edition HSV GXP.

Holden’s E85 HFV6 will be available at launch, allowing drivers to operate the vehicle on an 85% blend of Ethanol. While E85 filling stations are essentially non-existent, Holden hopes that petrol companies will begin integrating E85 pumps into their fuel stations once the E85 demand increases.

LS1 Forums user Angelo_XLR8 spotted the following cars in convoy in Sydney’s CBD. The car Angelo_XLR8 spotted isn’t any ordinary SS V-Series though. The vehicle in this photograph is believed to be fitted with a pre-production version of GM’s new Gen V V8 engine. When the engine goes into production, it is expected to feature E85 capability and direct injection, in addition to a refined Active Fuel Management system and more power to combat Ford’s new supercharged V8 XR8.

This engine isn’t expected to be available at launch. Holden is likely to carry on with the current Gen IV V8 engine until the new variant becomes available in 2011.

Rumours also suggest that Holden will release a turbocharged version of the V6 Commodore. It is unclear whether it will be available at the launch of the VE2.

A raft of new wheels will be available at the launch of the VE2 Commodore, with the Pontiac G8 wheels making their way onto the SS Commodore. Holden is also expected to continue offering the G8 style bonnet arrangement as a cost option.

With Holden’s revised VE2 Commodore just around the corner, CarAdvice will keep you posted with any further developments. Stay tuned next week for more information on the interior that will launch with the VE2 Commodore.

Pritesh

So by ‘BUSTED’ you mean renders which show nothing of interest or value, and 2 spy pics lifted straight off ls1 forums? Talk about a very missleading title.

http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

Our renders are carbon copies of information we received that we couldn’t publish.

Once the car is released, you’ll see how subtle the changes actually are – and how accurate these images are.
Theo

agree with you there.
“The vehicle in this photograph is fitted with a pre-production version of GM’s new Gen V V8 engine.” where is the proof…no photo’s no story!!!

TomJ

I would just like to get this at the top.

Chevrolet have CONFIRMED the new small block will be out in the 2013 C7 Corvette, and will be a 5.5L engine pumping out roughly 440hp (or, a slight increase over the current 6.2).

But this will not be for a long period of time. And it certainly will not be in the VF SS, it will debut in the Corvette like every LS motor does.
Damian

It’s amazing how CarAdvice has speculated that the red SS-V in the spy photos has a Gen V, when there is NOTHING that indicates that this is the case. The exact same thing was done when CarAdvice released pictures of a Ford GT (without engine bay shots, of course), and claimed that it was powered by the Coyote V8.

Benjie

Surely you’re not that slow Damian?

CarAdvice has an idea what they’re talking about.

As we’ve all seen the pictures of the supercharged GT CarAdvice broke like a year ago were the real deal.

They have these things called sources. Without them, they wouldn’t bother running stories like this.

I look forward to laughing at you when this VE2 is released and it turns out that it looks identical to the cars pictured above. Fair dinkum, all some of you do is just bitch.

Damian

Benjie, your comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired. Perhaps another victim of our lax education system?

Never did I dispute that the red SS-V in the article is not a VE2; I merely stated that there’s nothing indicative of a Gen V powering said vehicle. You can laugh at me if the VE2 is launched with the Gen V.

These so-called “sources” you speak so highly of are mostly derived from car forums (yes, that is, your average layman with an internet connection). The credibility of these sources are dubious, at best.

If you had a reasonable degree of intellect, Benjie, you should be able to at least question these sources.

Tom44

As a holden employee, i can tell you those pictures are exactly what the car looks like.

A few of them went down the line recently and the changes are so small that you wouldn’t know it was a VE2 unless you knew what you were looking at.

great job

Mikey_94

I sure hope that you noticed a change in the interior, because there has been many complaints about the ageing interior. But overall, a nice and simple, yet significant makeover. Hopefully there is a Twin Turbo V6 in the mill
Mikey_94

Also, what’s going on at the back of that Red SS-V? Is that a new spoiler I see? Doesn’t look bad. And the new whells look great!
http://Pagini Luv Local

Are they the new Omeaga rims on the wagon?

TomJ

If you are a Holden employee what is your full name and what area of the company do you work in (just so we can contact your bosses about your leaked information, because im pretty sure Holden would tell the media if they wanted information about their car published).

Alfanumeric

No Holden employee who valued their job would confirm (or even deny) that these pics are real.

I’m sure your bosses are getting the witch hunt underway right now…

Tomas79

Please, the changes are so minute and minor, nobody apart from the holden fanoboys would give a flying f***…

Lol, It’s as if anybody else was interested in stealing these “radical” changes!!!

Smithy

Pretty much what I saw last week, cruising aroung a common factory test loop, except the camoflage was just some black tape around the headlights and grill.

Andrew M

I wonder why a Daewoo Lanos is put in the corner of the first 2 pics??

Benjie

Maybe it was a subtle jab?
andronicus

Because it is an existing photograph with photoshop changes only done to the Commodore. Looks bit silly, but yeah.
David

The Daewoo is obviously for “inspiration”.

XLR8ER

while the changes are minimal, I don’t mind the new design.

The bonnet flows nicely down the front and the new fog light cluster looks good.

I’d like to see what the SS looks like.
http://www.caradvice.com.au Jim Goose senior

Looks like the most underwhelming facelift since the VS. After 4 years,they should be doing more with it. If Holden keep this policy of minor change over long time lines,they’ll be kissing goodbye to No.1 sales place. It didn’t work in the 80′s,won’t work now.

Andrew M

The VS actually had more changes than this upgrade too.

I too will be interested to see how their sales plod along seeing as though frequent face lifts has been a method the Commodore has always relied upon.

Commodore buyers have typically bought on visual, is this enough of a new visual??

Zeek

Pffft!, now i think your just being to dramatic! The vs revised came out with chrome inserts on the grille, and revised tail lights, reflector bar, lion emblem and revised hub caps/mags….THATS IT! not new front ends and rear ends! get real mate, it more of a change from VK to VL subtle, yet significant! I hate minimalists like yourself constantly understating things. Tell it like it is or don’t tell it at all!

Great Job Holden! Fantastic! Were starting to look like a reminiscent VY Commodore!

warrant!

Agreed! Tell it like it is or dont tell it at all. this is a much bigger change than the VR/VS switch over. Stop understating.
Andrew M

Are you claiming this has new front and rear ends??

Its only got slight styling changes.

The most significant change is a couple of body lines thrown onto the front bar

VY-VZ was a bigger change, VT-VX was a bigger change, I am telling it like it is
Errol

The change between VR-VS was minimal in terms of body and styling, but that was due to the entire mechanical driveline and electrics being upgraded. It went from the Buick V6 to the Ecotec, with different gearboxes, driveline changes and electrical/ecu changes.

The Ecotec system was then used right up until VYII. There was also minimal changes between the VY and VZ, but again the engine/driveline was changed. The alloytec engine was introduced and replaced the then aging ecotec, as well as more electrical/driveline changes. The alloytec was then used for a period of time in the VZ-VE, until replaced with the SIDI injection and 6 speed gearboxes.

When the SIDI engines were introduced, the facelift should have taken place and become the VE2 or VF. I beleive there were delays in regards to the visual changes, which is why its occuring now.

The change to the gen5 V8 will be another large mechanical upgrade which will then provide (along with the SIDI v6) the running gear for the VF commodore.

So yeah, its taken them a while and there hasnt been an “upgrade” to model numbers in 4 years, but theres still been a lot of changes.

Oh an in case you forgot, there was a global financial crises a little while ago, which caused reduced number of cars being made/sold. Obviously you try to minimize development costs during a poor sales period, to keep the most number of staff employed.

Holden is also gearing up for the release of the locally made Cruize shortly, which has required extra attention.

stuzz

Vr to Vs also included the supercharged V6 into the line. How about a charged SV6 VF Mr GM, or better yet charge the v8

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1435885244 Yani Hendriawan

well it doesn’t look amazing but it’s not ugly
andronicus

Not bad, overall design is ok. I guess Holden are saving themselves some time and money with just changing a shape that is currently still alright.

birdie

what money , they havent made a profit in 5 years , you only have to look @ this thing to see that, and these minor changes would be compliments of us tax payers

andronicus

Exactly….they are SAVING themselves money by giving this overall shape another run round….

smokin’R32

Certainly not a overwhelming change but the bootlid lip is a nice touch. I wouldn’t call myself a Holden fan but I think the current design has stood the test of time quite well, ill be interested to see if the final result is an improvement or just change for the sake of change
Markymark

I would be interested in seeing what they do for a Turbo Commodore and how it compares to the XR6 Turbo. It would really need to be a twin turbo on a V6, should should be interesting!
MrQuick

Ugh, thank god the SS-V didn’t get the stupid DRLs, it would have single handedly wrecked the way that car looks.

Nice to see Holden taking an initiative on e85 too.

And I could have sworn that the next XR8 is going to be powered by the NA Coyote engine, and the FPV models will be supercharged. I really hope it isn’t supercharged because I’m up to buy a new car next year, and if the XR8 isn’t supercharged, I’m buying one without an afterthought.

Andrew M

New XR8 will be supercharged.

There wont be a N/A Coyote in any falcons

David

Having looked at both Commodore International and Falcon G6 Limited Edition earlier this year when after a new car, my view is that Holden needs to make a quantum leap in internal build and materials quality. The Commodore – also the Captiva we looked at – are just plain cheap and nasty inside. The G6 is a class act!
Kris

It will b interesting to see what the new interior looks like. That was the most dated part of the VE. Its probably a good thing that they have only done subtle changes to the exterior. If they did major changes to the VE2, it may have turned out as bad as the HSV E2 facelift.
Bob

I do love to see the boundaries of car design being pushed to the edge!

KinFungl

Like with Ford did with the AU?

Dennis

Couple of things to add.

Did anyone give info on the what the other commodore was behind the red SS?

Also it looks like they have improve the rear bumper fitment or is the pic deceiving?

Crouchy

The one behind the red looks to have the new grille so my guess is its the s2 omega…

TomJ

I was under the impression the new generation Chevrolet small block would debut with the C7 Corvette in roughly 2013? Ill tell you, it wont be released in a new model Holden thats for sure.
Crouchy

“The vehicle in this photograph is believed to be fitted with a pre-production version of GM’s new Gen V V8 engine”

Is that just a guess?
Aleks

I don’t think there is a problem with the change, the problem never was with the exterior but with the quickly aging interior, so lets hope they have made the right changes there.
Jabba the Hut

If that is really all they have done then it won’t be enough to keep the car fresh for another 3 or so years. They should have at least worked on a way to make the head and tail lights more distinctive from the current car.
spermGiver

ye im i little for that also, but its a change well needed to the car!
AndrewC

All they have to do now to get it to the same level of blandness as a Camry is to turn it into FWD.
Steve

Looks like I wont need to update my VE. I’ll just be buying a Car Bra, instant VE2. Aint bankruptcy a bitch!
Penny Tration

I like it.
KinFungl

While the body itself didn’t change much. I like the look of the new alloy wheels. They don’t have the cheap looking feel of the old one. The look of Berlina’s wheel can almost call it sporty.
Wankel

Cruze grill for commodore…. Zzzzzzz
Stoney!

Fantastic, exactly what this car needed, minimalistic change on an already good looking car just to make it a little more crisp.

The whole thing about this new car is the new interior to be honest. Not to mention the new engines it will drag along with it in the months to come. The 3.0TT engine will be a great edition as a sports model. As would the 2.8t to replace the 3.6 sidi with it replacing the 3.0 sidi.

Stoney!
Shak

CA can i ask how sure you guys are that you CGI’s will be the exact look of the VE II, because Wheels and Other Motoring sources have claimed that the headlight clusters wont change as it would require changing the stampings for the Front guards. Im not saying you are wrong, but if your informant is solid, then i guess Wheels is wrong, because looking at the spyshots, i dont see the headlight cluster changing.

Andrew M

The headlights look pretty accurate.
Have a look at the car following the red SS. if you zero in, the inside of the head light is definately turned up.

The out side of the head light hasnt changed, so no changes to the guards will be needed.

The weird thing is that the lights on the SS doesnt seem to have changed, unless its just a reflection that hides it.

The car behind it definately looks like the rendered shots

Shak

Oh yeah, sorry i was going off of the SS, but if it is flicked up then wont the front bumper have to change? just a thought, either way, with the new interior and improved exterior, i dont see why Commodore cant retain top spot on the sales charts.

Andrew M

Yeah bumper does change, but it doesnt affect stampings for front guards or bonnet

Paul Maric

According to our information, the headlight changes will be uniform across the range.

As Andrew M mentioned, the car trailing the SS in the picture has the upturned headlight. The SS has the same treatment, it’s just hard to see due to the car bra.

There won’t be any sheet-metal changes, just a new front bumper and boot to accommodate the minor revisions.

Shak

Ok thanks for that Paul. I was just a bit confused because of all the conflicting information from many reputable sources.

Byron

Yeh I used to go off what Wheels produced in there magazines. 99% of the time they are wrong. I’d rather go off these pictures that it will be the VE II than the ones in the current Wheels magazine. Wheels was good once then it went completely shit.

Bundy

I just want to no what’s with the black strip under the spoiler in the last photo of the red ss ?????

Paul Maric

That’s the new bootlid lip spoiler.

It will be fitted across the Commodore Sedan range.

They have just taped over it to conceal it.

The Realist

Surely the humble Aussie tax payer has the right to expect more than what is shown and described above?

Will Wheels review the Calais V against the new 550i and E500 and claim it to be better again?

Andrew M

Depends if value for money is taken into account.

Ive got bigger gripes about my tax money being used to discourage people from working. At least the “Commodore projects” encourage job growth

The Realist

I actually agree with you about the excessive welfare in Oz…

o

wheels will find any excuse to test a commodore
Shak

Why is it so hard for people to accpe that some local products are world class. The VE when it first came out was very competitive against imported opposition, even in the interior department. Holden deleted many items over the years and this made them less competitive.

Andrew

True,

Like the slidey centre console and the pop out door pockets and 10 way power adjustable seats …

davie

globe box light…

gosh, the savings!

Andrew

Hahaha yea,

My mum owns a VE SS my9.5 and there aint no glove box light WTF

Goodfa

Since they are changing the front lights anyway they should have made a bigger change so that it is instantly recognisable as a new model.Also if they did not want to change size or position of tail lights they should at least change the look of it as Australians love their cars and they get a kick out of driving the latest and greatest.How would they feel when they proudly drive home in their MY11 Commodore and then to be told by people “I see you drive a VE I bought one of those over 4 years ago”

I think they are going to have to keep discounting to keep sales going after the initial few months.

Holden will also lose some private sales as they are abolishing the Holden Mastercard rebate which I personally know has kept people loyal to Holden.Once the rebate is gone so will the loyalty.

Andrew M

I agree,
Repeat Commodore sales are bought on visual differences.

Holden has always been able to keep sales alive with distinct visual changes.

The likes of BMW etc can get away with slight visual changes, but not the Commodore or Falcon for that matter which was proved as the lifespan of the BA shape went on for longer than it should have.

The BA Falcon is a great example. Sure the VE doesnt look that bad, nor does the BA, but there comes a point where it becomes too familiar and people start to lose interest

Simon

“Luxury models such as Berlina, Calais and Calais V-Series also receive chrome treatment on the grille, allowing them to stand out from the crowd.”

Isn’t it a Commodore? Australia’s “best selling car”?
Perhaps Commondore is not likely to stand out at all.

rentakeyboard

stand out fm the rest of the C”dre range

Simon

Yeah I got that, not a big deal is my point.

Karl

Does anyone else think that a lot of the changes are very Torana TT36ish?
The front end design, high mounted interior screen etc.

Shak

I wouldnt go as far as to say that, because the TT36 Concept was meant to preview the VE design language at launch, and many say that the Coupe 60 is displaying the VF language,so i think the VE II is just a knee jerk reaction to a lot of criticism.

Stoney!

Looks to me by the colour temperature of the SS’s headlights compared to others there, that it does infact have Xenon/HID headlights.

Stoney!
Wayne Kerr

As a Ford fan, I am looking forward to Holden’s new turbo V6 and improved V8. It only means Ford will step up their game and cut prices.

Win-win.

Frenchie

I agree with you Wayne, bring it on!

rentakeyboard

That rear bumper looks to have a new crease in it.
I think if you see this car front on, and not at this angle, this will actually look more different to VE than it seems.
Tony M

Sorry to say but this is an anti-climax. It could be because there is little in the “kitty” with GM going belly up. It’s similar to the Ford BA model which hardly changed over the several years of its life.
Dave

still australia’s number 1 selling car. How is that the minority?
steven427

I was on the motor report website last week, and they had spy photos of the ve2, and now they r gone! If u type ‘ve commodore’ in google and go to the news section the article is there and the link doesnt work anymore, nor is it on their web. The pictures included confirmation of the gxp rims and brembo brake package it showed the front ss headlights with the bra and it looked curved as there was a close up shot.There was also a close up pic of a badge “serIIes” or “series2″ with black tape over it but u could see through it lol. Also the ss spoiler is different especially from a rear angle, and the chrome on the boot lid as shown on this ss-v was the same aswell as the black tape on the top. The pictures were taken in a car park with atleast two VE2 and statesman/caprice and he didnt take a picture of the interior!!!!!, yet he was able the come close up to the headlights, rims, brakes, headlights and badge. Anyone have any idea why the article aint there anymore????????

http://www.facebook.com/jono2 Jonathan Hoang

It was formally requested by holden PR to be removed.

steven427

Name of article “2011 Holden VE Commodore Series 2 spied ahead of Q4 launch”

Pablo

Try clinking the ‘cached’ link -still goes to the article.

steven427

yea cached link works lol, thanks mate.

Buck

A twin turbo V6, gosh my F6 and I are really shaking in our boots LOL.

Falcon BA Turbo came out in 2002, eight years later we are still waiting for Holden’s reply. If it comes i’m certain there will be nothing to interest or concern me.

Frosty

Come on, you really think we believe you own a F6? Anyone can say what type of car they have on here without even proving it. Also for your information Holden had Turbo motors in the Commodore 15 years before the Falcon did with both the VL and more recently the 3.8ltr Supercharged motors. So really didn’t that make the Falcon 15 years behind Holden on that front compared to your comment that they are 8 years ahead. Do some research wont you before making absurb comments about who was first. This will be enough to do the Commodore until the next series due sometime between 2012 to 2014.

Joker

Frosty,

The VL Turbo (Nissan) was hardly a high performance motor (until the P Platers got there mits on Nismo go fast bits) and the S/C Buick engine was an absolute joke. I remember driving one in VY Form and it was only 10kw up in power on my Dad’s standard AU. Awesome. The only nice thing about it was the mild whine i heard. Otherwise all the Supercharger did was hide how crap that 3.8L engine really was. Oh and the HSV Manta had as much power as a BA Falcon N/A 6. Big numbers those were.
The first locally developed Performance Turbo 6 would and should be the XR6 Turbo/F6 Typhoon.

Stoney!

I think you’ll find they are just concentrating on one thing at a time, you can keep your lag ridden turbo six, I’d prefer a V8 or twin turbo any day. The ford inline six is a brilliant engine, but needs to be twin turbo in my opinion as turbo lag, while to some is cool, (“yeah feel the boost bro even though it had stuff all off the mark”) I loath it!

Holden has a new V8 coming out which will be their performance engine as always, and the 3.0TT is for an economy performer, not a performance car as such.

Also performance isn’t simply about how much outright power you have, it’s about where the power starts coming into play and how linear the torque curve is also. The supercharged 3.8 Commodore had a wonderful whine your right, and went very hard, my Aunt had one and absolutely loved the car and the power it had.

And yes, I do have a Turbo car, and enjoy riding to the torque wave, but thats only because it has a supercharger to rocket me off the mark also.

Stoney!

Joker

The I6 Turbo is not lag ridden.
Big Block + Turbo = minimal lag, peak torque from 2300RPM?
It’ll be into it before you can blink.
I’ve driven an FG F6 and I can put my hand on my heart and tell you that it was the smoothest trip to 170Kmh i’ve ever had…on a private road. hardly any lag and a silky smooth fat torque curve.
Just because a car has a turbo doesn’t mean it necessarily has mass lag. Ok, so you probably drive a Golf GT or something. It’s a great car but it’s focus is on economy-split with performance. Not one or the other.
If VW bring TSI technology into the upper echelons of their performance car range…I’ll take it more seriously.

I drive an XR5 and when you combine the torque on hand from the 2.5 I5 in combination with a small, high boost turbo that spools from 1600RPM, Lag is hardly an issue. It actually compliments the performance of the car perfectly.
SC

Sorry Stoney if you have been in an FG XR6 Turbo you will appreciate how quick these things are, hell I’m a Holden man but appreciate a good thing when I see it. Peoples opinions mean bugger all ,the proof is in the drive.
Stopwatches and physics never lie, XR6T 5.1sec 0-100,
400m 13.3secs and 11.7L/100kms.
HOLDEN 6L SS 6.1secs 0-100, 400m 14.3secs and 14.3L/100.
Bang for your buck the Ford is awesome, not even going to bother bringin the F6 into the argument when nothing in the HSV stable can catch an XR6 Turbo.

Karl Krankschaft

Not exactly mindblowing changes but it definitely makes the VE more competitive again ( in the styling department atleast). Any word on power figures ? I doubt the SS will debut the Gen V V8 because new v8s are almost always launched in a new Corvette . Let’s just wish the VE2 will have the 3.6TT like from Jay Lenos camaro with 317kw . Would be a nice motor for HSV and would compete nicely with the 4.0 I6T . Unfortunately it might cannabilise V8 sales ..
Tomas79

Still looks boring and dated, hopefully the interior will be a little better?
COUGS

drive.com reckon they have interior pics ????

Shak

The age also has them. when i posted a link, CA saw fit to pull it down.

Will

Fleet fodder with definitive Korean cues. Another half done Oz knock up that can not keep pace with world markets.

Another opportunity for Bogons/Yobs to enhance their mortgages. LOL!!!!

Dave

You mean a great car for people who want a car, not just a badge. This update looks to bring some subtle changes (eg VT – Vx) to keep it modern and up to date. I am sure they will do a great job making sure all model get different looks.
Hung Low

Will, as long as it has no styling cues from Skoda, it looks fine! btw….Australia is a world market for Skoda and talk about not keeping pace here!!

delux

The heading got me excited but I was dissapointed with the article.

And whats up with Series 2? I remember reading they were getting away from the Series naming and going with MY updates. Confusing as the SIDI is now MY10, now we have a series 2…. wtf holden?
Dave Soda

WOW what a fantastic looking car, oh Holden I cant wait to go out and but a car that is so similar to the old one! Thanks so much Holden! (I’m being sarcastic in case no one notices) As some one who gets rental cars regularly I for one hate the driving position of the VE and the road noise and lack of simple things like Bluetooth and Ipod jacks as standard is just crazy! Holden need to lift their game. Hence why I only rent Falcons! Sorry Holden the only good looking cars in your Commodore line up is the upmarket version of your sport wagon! Now that’s a good looking car! Oh and if anyone want to personally attack me I drive a Nissan Navara 2009 model and I do like my Fords over Holdens but this is just some points from someone regularly drive many different cars!
ox

meh, prefer the original… facelifts are always after thoughts that mess up the purity of the original design
Bosconovic

Heh heh…all the haters make me laugh. You have all been saying the same thing for 20 years. Go check the sales figures over the past 2 decades. Makes Falcon look non-existent really.

Colin

Mate, why don’t you go check who’s making a profit.
And while you’re there check who often sells the most Australian made vehicles in Australia.
FORD of course!

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BTW Toyota Australia $180 MILLION LOSS after a $247 MILLION bill for UNPAID TAX. I guess thy’re not that good a corporate citizen then.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1285962287 Declan Collins

Actually Ford has only sold the most Australian made vehicles for like 2 months in 3 years o.o.

colin

NO, sorry you are thinking of Falcon SEDAN outselling Commodore SEDAN.

Ford regularly sell the most Aust. built cars.

Shak

The only reason they sell more Australian made cars in Australia is because holden still export a significant portion of their AUSTRALIAN production overseas, unlike Ford Oz who havent been able to secure an export program. Not having a quip at Ford as i support Aussie manufacturing first, but just saying unless you fully interpret the figures you get half a story.
Colin

Shak, nobody mentioned sales vs production volume percentages.
Are you seriously suggesting that Holden missed even a single Australian sale because of stock shortages due to exports??

Bottom line: Ford often sell the most locally made vehicles.

BTW, Falcon has “always” been exported. NZ does still count as a seperate country even though there’s so many here in Aus.

Bosconovic

so Holden are not making a profit on outselling the Falcon for the past 20 odd years?

Joel

at least toyota spent all that money they saved “not paying taxes” on ecxelent quality vehicles, better than any smelly old falcon.

who claims to build a “whole new car” when realy its based on the same underpinings as a 15 year old AU?
ford of coarse.
Bob

Ford or Holden who cares!!

Roger Ramjet

Very sad Bob! Aussie Jobs, Aussie Manufacturing, Aussie exports. Think of all those component manufacturers, dealership and parts networks, car transporters, contractors that detail the cars at the yards…need I go on? They all care and they are probably an affiliated member of your community in one way or the other.
Why don’t you do the Australian community a favour and hold your breath underwater till someone else cares!

Bob

A touch harsh me thinks Roger Ramjet!

Shak

I agree there was no need for the personal attack. if Bob doesnt like Ford or Holden thats his problem. Other people like them, he doesnt big woop.

wilson3339

well im gonna coment on what the article is actualy about,
i think it looks nice, ve has’nt dated as quick as previous model commodores & falcons infact it is still a great looking car, this just brings it up to date just that little thing it needs at the moment, i like what they have done with omega it was very boring and cheap looking before, now it looks like a proper car not just a fleet vehicle.

very nice.
Jack

Some exciting news here – imagine a twin turbo Calais V Sportwagon. Mmmmm, great looks, smooth with enough torque to conquer the 1800kg+ and not be too thirsty. Red with the Tan trim thanks, and this from a Ford fan who misses a G6E Turbo wagon.

Anyone out there who can quote a real life 3.0L or 3.6L fuel figure in a Sportwagon? Thanks.

JEKYL & HYDE

real life,with the air on,heads and luggage,there’s really not much difference between the 3 to the 3.6.pure hwy (direct injection motor) will be low 8′s,pure town use 13′s.i have seen lots to new sv6′s with 900+ kms out of a tank on pure hwy trips…

Jack

Hey thanks Jekyl & Hyde.

I reckon hearing economy figures from owners/drivers is more valuable than from journalists on test. Low 8′s are pretty good and on par with a 4 speed VY wagon of lesser weight. Cheers

JEKYL & HYDE

here’s amother bit of wisdom,

on alot of ve’s,the “low fuel” warning is just a pain,it still could have up to 12 ltrs of fuel left.however,when the “very low fuel “warning comes up,time to fill up,pretty quickly…

Jabba the Hut

Force fed 6′s is a logical way for Holden and Ford to go forward. Twin turbo engines are very efficient for their capacity and typically give the V8′s a run for their money.

They are also a useful marketing tool. They could well become common in years to come as fuel prices increase but people still demand a large family car. Interesting times ahead.
Byron

I like the VE II pictures. Even though they may not be the final look, they look heaps good & that Berlina photo looks awesome. I look foward to the changes inside & out. Even if it turned out uglier than it is now, it would still beat Falcon hands down . I just wish theyd hurry up & reveal the VE II. Just about 4 years of waiting. Go HOLDEN!
matt

“…to combat Ford’s new supercharged V8 XR8.” how can you trust this when they thing the xr8 is supercharged? ITS THE FPV GT’s!!!
Col

When is the commodore shape likely to be completely refreshed – any hints from overseas?