Car Advice

Suzuki questions Victorian Government’s The First Car List

By Tim Beissmann |

Suzuki Australia general manager Tony Devers admits he is bemused by The First Car List released by the Victorian Government yesterday.

The list was based on data compiled by the Monash University Accident Research Centre and listed 50 “safe and affordable” used cars for young people looking to buy their first car.

Included on the list were vehicles up to 28 years old, including the Peugeot 505 and the Mercedes-Benz S-Class W126.

The list rated used cars priced between $1800 and $14,000 on crashworthiness and their likelihood to harm other road users, and included vehicles that scored four or five stars for the crashworthiness component.

Victorian Roads Minister, Tim Pallas, said The First Car List provided information for new drivers and parents to make an informed decision when purchasing their first vehicle, but Mr Devers said it was illogical not to include new cars that also satisfied the list’s criteria.

“While Suzuki applauds any effort to help lower the road toll, I’m amazed the list was restricted only to used cars,” Mr Devers said.

“Parents wanting a safe car for their children can purchase a new Suzuki Alto – with six airbags and electronic stability program as standard – for only $12,990 driveaway. That also gives them the peace of mind of a new car warranty covering three years and/or 100,000km.”

Mr Devers said the contradiction between the Victorian Government’s Traffic Accident Commission’s (TAC) How safe is your car campaign and The First Car List was most confusing to himself and to consumers.

“On one hand the government is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars urging consumers to buy a car with six airbags and ESP. On the other hand it now promotes a register where only a handful of the 50 cars listed even has six airbags.

“Is this the same government that is the first in Australia to make ESP mandatory on all cars?” he asked.

The How safe is your car website addresses the issue of purchasing a new car versus a used car.

“Purchasing a new car gives you access to the latest safety technologies available. Analysis of crashworthiness by year of car manufacture carried out under the Used Car Safety Ratings (UCSR) program shows newer cars are on average safer than older ones. Furthermore, if safety features are optional, purchasing a car new allows these optional features to be fitted to the car. Most critical safety features such as airbags and ESC can only be fitted to the car at time of manufacture,” it says.

Mr Devers also questioned why so many large cars were on the list when the government is trying to lower emissions levels, but How safe is your car defends their inclusion.

“Purchasing a used car often saves many thousands of dollars over purchasing the same car new. This allows you to buy a larger car or a car with better safety features than you may have been able to afford otherwise. The UCSR has identified that larger cars and cars with more safety features generally provide better real world occupant protection in a crash than smaller cars with less safety features. It is often the case that an older second hand large or luxury car will provide better crash protection than a new small car with few safety features, for around the same money.”

But the most poignant point in the entire How safe is your car campaign – and the most contradictory with The First Car List – is its catchcry:

“If it doesn’t have electronic stability control (ESC) and curtain airbags, cross it off your list.”


 
  • f1worldchamp

    Victorian Government + Motoring = Fail.

    • Jester

      This is just a HUGE knee jerk reaction, following Mr Skaife proposals week ago. The same story is Ken Lays attack on motorcyclists today in The Age – just pathetic behaviour from the government and their clowns.

      I can’t wait for the election to get these idiots out of the office – Brumby and co don’t deserve to “lead” this state, its not like they led jack, idiots.

  • Hung Low

    Yep, I can see some of those old euro cars being really safe with worn shocks, dodgy brakes, history of accident repairs that effect structural integrity, no airbags or esp, no auto fuel cut off etc etc!
    Suzuki has a very valid point. I would rather my kids in a brand new small car any day.

    I bet half of those Monash scholars have no life education to base their studies on. They may not even have licences or own a car, probably doing masters after masters, claiming aus-study and other benefits only to have a massive taxpayers Hecs bill that they will never end up paying back and probably end up getting an exemption from.

    Looks like these blokes have more in common with the Pollies than we think!

    • Jester

      This government pays their salaries – they dance when Brumby and Ken Lay sing…

    • Philthy

      “They may not even have licences or own a car, probably doing masters after masters, claiming aus-study and other benefits only to have a massive taxpayers Hecs bill that they will never end up paying back”

      Yep sure, have a go at academics. The world would obviously be a much better place if we all spent our days hunting buffalo with a spear.

      • PN

        I’d rather learn from some who has hunted buffalo, rather than from someone coming up with new way to do it within first hand experience

      • Hung Low

        You definitely are not an academic! Look up the definition of “half” as I had posted! I am not stating every single one of them out there!

        • Philthy

          Guilty as charged… but if it wasn’t for academics I wouldn’t have been able to get my degree. I apologise for not recognising that your sweeping generalisation only applied to half of academia.

          • Hung Low

            When your degree qualification changes the world we know, make sure to fill us in champ!

  • Ray Stone

    Head on between the 25 year old Benz, Peugeot and the new Suzuki at say 30kph, combined 60kph collision. I know which cars I like to be in. It’s a simple case of physics. If the Suzuki where to hit a similar weighted car of even 10 years ago no question the Suzuki is the way to go. On this subject why do so many parents insist on buying their, predominantly, female children extra small first cars? Even with a million airbags they are still dangerous when they hit a Commodore or Falcon.

    • Hung Low

      On the subject of physics, the older cars you mention have the advantage of mass and size. The newer smaller cars have the advantage of impact absorbtion, safety cell integrity and reduced injuries from air-bags. I think in the scenario you have described, the injury rate would still be lower with a newer smaller car!

      • Ray Stone

        Both the Benz and the Peugeot 505 of that vintage have progressive impact absorption, safety cell integrity and airbags. Providing they have good tyres and brakes these are very safe cars. However, if you are talking about a Falcadore or similar of that vintage maybe the Suzuki would be a better option.

        • Micky

          25 year old Benz does NOT have airbags. The first car with airbags on the AU market was the LS400 in 1990. The S-Class gained airbags in the new model from 1992.

          • Nath746

            WRONG!! There were some late 80′s mercedes cars with airbags released in australia

    • Crouchy

      Top gear crashed a Smart Car into an old Volvo at 60km/h and the results revealed that the driver of the Volvo would have been crushed and the Smart Car driver would have probably walked away…..

      Im sorry but technology has come a long way and physics dont mean much in this day and age…

      • Aim

        It wasn’t a smart, it was a Renault Modus (smaller than a Barina) and it wasn’t Top Gear it was Fifth gear….

        Never the less, new cars are much safer campared to old ones…

      • Radbloke

        ‘…and physics dont mean much in this day and age.’

        That is possibly the dumbest comment I’ve read on this site for quite some time.

    • Bob

      You should go to youtube and look up a video by 5th Gear.

      They did exactly that, albeit with a Landrover Discovery and a modern (smaller, lighter, “flimsier”) people mover.

      The Discovery didn’t appear too damaged compared to the other car… the same couldn’t be said of its occupants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sammo.8191 Sam Moss

    I’m a P-Plater myself, and I have to say that the guy has a point about the list, some of the cars listed are a bit iffy in my opinion. And the Alto is probably a car worthy of consideration amongst first-car buyers given its low entry level price and strong specification list.

    Compare the Alto with the Barina and Kia Rio, and it’s really quite a desirable proposition. Not sure about that Indian build-quality however…

    • rocket_v6

      better than chinese,thai built..if these cars can survive in india they can survive anywhere

      • Yonny

        Please don’t compare Thai-built cars with Chinese-built ones and imply they are all dodgy. Thai-built cars are actually pretty well made, streets ahead of Chinese build quality and miles ahead of South African build quality (queue indignant comments from Japies like my old mate Stephen who apparently bought one of the handful of cars they actually managed to build properly in South Africa).

  • Brendan

    Some cars on the list being older luxury cars, still carry their original sticker price repair bills. I owned a 95 BMW 740iL, thinking it was a really nice car, until the time came for standard repairs…everything still seemed to be priced as though the car was still worth the $190K+ new car price.

    Hope they amend the list to include standard servicing costs and consumable costs such brakes, fluids etc etc.

    • Andrew M

      Agree,
      the only really affordable used cars are Commodores and Falcons.

      Parts for either are a dime a dozen and readily available off the shelf at your local supercheap

  • nickdl

    Oh I’m sure the Peugeot would be very safe. It can’t kill anyone parked at the garage!!!

    • toxic_horse

      lol so true!

    • Ray Stone

      Park it next to the Jag so it’s got company, though it probably gets out more often.

  • Simonsez

    In fairness, you can see his point, even though it’s a point he’s paid to push.An even better list would have been those older cars which are “death traps”. Maybe that would have taken too much courage.

    • Jester

      Lets see a list of all cars involved in fatal accidents from 2000 till today – c’mon TAC and Brumby, let us see that list, or are you scared to show us which cars kill most of the people in your state/Oz.

      Do it scientifically – take into account the number of registered cars of same make/model – then lets see which ones are the biggest death traps.

  • Crouchy

    A very good point.

    A friend of mine has just purchased an alto. Ridiculously good value for money and I was surprised to see that the build quality was quite good. Great list of features and safety essentials to boot!

    As long as youre not planning on keeping it for 200,000kms, it really is a great value proposition!

  • Shak

    Gotta love that brmuby Fella. he gets told to do his job and then whinges about it, and then fudges what he thinks is the right route. Superb. Just thank God he isnt Pm or we would all be driving 27 yr old Camry’s limited to 67Km/h.

  • Anthraxx66

    Why is there cars on the list with 150+ kw?

  • Micky

    I can’t believe they are recommending cars that have NO airbags. Any car on that list from the 1980s does not have airbags. The first car in our market that had them was the 1990 LS400. Of course, being a V8, it’s not on that list, but it should be (most modern V6s produce more power than the original LS). Doesn’t explain why the Lexus ES isn’t on the list, either.

    • Nath746

      They only put cars on the list that people would consider buying. old lexus’ are the most boring cars in the world and p-platers would crash them because they were cored with the car and driving it

      • Philthy

        You must be driving with your eyes closed if you haven’t seen all the old Ls400′s blinged up with huge chromies being driven by p-platers.

  • Micky

    It appears you would be correct – the late 80s S-Class did have airbags, but the early 80s model did not.

  • RK

    The reality is that the people doing the study wouldn’t be paid a ton and wouldn’t care a heck of a lot, someone involved probably suggested that it would be nice to promote “local cars” like old Falcodores, someone will have insisted that their old Peugeot 505 which they’ve been driving for 10 years would be the perfect first car so add that to the list, someone will insist that new cars shouldn’t be in the list because buying used is better for the environment or better value or whatever and will make life miserable for everyone else until they agree…

    That’s how these committees work, folks. I doubt anyone in authority even bothered taking a look at it before it was released.

  • Stoney!

    Probably because they found the cars APPALLING power enough of a safety risk alone to not put it on the list. I mean if you needed to get out of the way of a sticky situation in one of these then good luck. The only car I have found so far in recent years with less power was the 3 cylinder daihatsu Sirion.

    I hired one of these from a car share company for a few hous one day and wondered what its real world fuel economy is really like, you even have to floor it going up hills and sometimes still lose momentum. Don’t think engine longevity would be too good.

    Stoney!