Diesel power the future for Evo and STi: report

By Tim Beissmann | June 11th, 2010

The next generations of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and the Subaru Impreza STi will reportedly be available with diesel powerplants, with the Evo set to combine the new tech with a hybrid system, according to UK publication Autocar.

The publication reported that after seriously considering dropping the Evo entirely, Mitsubishi has given the green light to the research and development team to create a diesel hybrid, aiming to avoid tightening emissions regulations in many of the car’s key markets.

The combination of an electric motor and a torquey diesel engine could still deliver 0-100km/h times while also cutting CO2 emissions below 200g/km.

Meanwhile, the next-generation STi is also expected to feature a diesel engine.

Set to be an enhanced version of the 110kW/350Nm EE engine currently offered in Impreza models in Europe, a turbo-diesel STi could debut as early as 2012.

And while a hybrid system is expected in the Impreza at some stage in the future, the Evo is likely to beat it to production.

In a similar attempt to reduce fuel consumption and emissions, Subaru is also believed to be looking at downsizing its petrol engines for the STi, with a 1.5-litre unit reportedly under consideration.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1435885244 Yani Hendriawan

is the engine even going to sound good?
Bob

Stuff stinks, I’m going for a walk!
Technofreak

The second hand price of existing models just went up!!
Jabba the Hut

You guys have no idea. Diesel is long overdue to become the performance car king. Low end grunt will always be superior to petrol.

I was back at the Hyundai dealer today and the rep was telling me that one buyer has chipped an i30 2.0 ltr diesel. The result is 0-100 km/h in 6.5 seconds. He has the performance of a golf GTi for an extra $1100.00 on his purchase price of 24 grand. If he choses not to use the power he has 7.0 per 100 km’s economy.

The future of diesel performance cars is only hindered by people’s ignorance. The days of performance petrol engines using 25 ltrs per 100k’s are fast running out. Diesel and diesel /electric hybrid are the way forward if we are to keep the enthusiast end of the auto market alive.

Hybrid ,where the wheels are fitted with electric motors completely eliminates the issue of turbo lag and then is replaced by the torque that only a diesel can deliver down low.

JP

Agreed that it is great progress. Only issues is alot of the diesel engines still sound like trucks
http://elfin Dave

I am sorry Jabba, you might know about Jedis and Star wars stuff but Diesels are not a performance car motors.

When we hear a tractor-like diesel sound coming from Ferrari, Lamborgini or even a proper porsche then I will happy admit defeat.

Diesel is great for reducing Co2 at the expense of producing other more harmful gases.

lastly The Golf GTi is not the performance car king.

Devil’s Advocate

Well then Dave I won’t mention what engine has won the Le Mans 24 hour, arguably the world’s most gruelling circuit race, for the last few years…

Then there was the diesel engines in the first Lamborghinis. In fact Lamborghini was the first manufacturer to use a full diesel engine in that type of vehicle. Porsche has also been making diesels for many years as well. (no, I am not including the VW diesel in the Cayenne). TIC

J

Yes, but that thing had some serious power, too – it wasn’t a 100kW 1000Nm engine!

Lambo only did that to reuse engines from their tractor range…

Power = torque * rotational velocity. A 200kW/400Nm petrol engine has the same capacity to do work as a 200kW/800Nm diesel engine becuae, by definition of power, in this example the diesel will only have half the rev range to work with thus doubling gear ratios and halving the torque to the road making it identical to the petrol engine.

Sparky

Rubbish. You speak of transmission issues. VW has demonstrated this isn’t a problem when you have lots of gears and can change them quickly. They do this with the DSG.
Power is the rate at which work is performed or energy is converted. It is the average amount of work done or energy converted per unit of time. The average power is often simply called “power” when it is the context that makes it clear.
In relation to vehicles, you would say that a truck would do more “work” than a car. The only petrol trucks are small ones. They use diesel for good reason, it has a better ability to do work due to its high torque production. This is due to its greater efficiency at converting fuel into motive force.
J, I suspect you are attempting to baffle people with bull.

mcl334

Great till he gets to a corner or try’s to stop in a hurry!
Philthy

Hyundai Oz does not sell a 2.0L diesel i30. The 1.6 CRDi i30 produces 85kw & 255Nm. A Chipped i30 produces ~ 100kw at the flywheel. A 125kw golf GTD does 0-100 in 8.1 secs, so I’m highly skeptical of the 6.5s claim. Especially considering its still a FWD diesel. One significant difference in 0-100 times when discussing petrol vs diesel is the extra gearchange you need in the diesel. No amount of mid range torque is going to avoid that.

Chairman

I know u may think I’m mad! But I actually my mate’s diesel 1.6l i30 on 2nd gear up to 65km/h…. It was smoking…..:D…. B4 flipping to 4th………3rd gear is the accelerating gear for this car….if u know what I meant…..throw all yr logic away….
Jabba the Hut

You are quite right , it is a 1.6. My mistake. It makes the acceleration all the more impressive. You got the Kw part wrong though. It produces 110kw and 320nm of torque. The time was recorded at the lcal drag strip and Mareeba. So I am guessing it’s accurate. The car weighs stuff all.

Jabba the Hut

Philthy what is a golf GTD? The power outputs you quote are too low for the GTi.

enter this “2010 Volkswagen Golf GTI Review” in the search box above and you’ll find this website’s review. Your figures are way off the mark.

philthy

If you go back to the front page of caradvice there’s an article on the GTD. It’s very similar to the GTI, but with a 2.0 litre diesel engine.

Cheers,

-Phil
Jabba the Hut

Yeah I checked it afterwards, but my original comment was regarding the GTi not the GDi.

I still have little reason to doubt the guy’s claims. He’s a good friend of the client that chipped the i30. Remembering also that pretty much every manufacturer winds their cars back for durability (warranty) reasons.

As a aside, I reckon that if the manufacturers venture into diesel performance seriously, they will also learn how to make them sound nice out of the pipes. At the end of the day if I had a choice between to cars the same price, same performance and one of them used half the fuel I’d be putting the exhaust note well down my list of priorities. Wind the windows up and turn up the stereo!

scottwheels

BMW are working on sound cancelling tech that will make a diesel sound like a sweet petrol engine from the pipes. It seems somewhat pointless, like making engine noises for an electric car. I used to do that as a 5 year old in my pedal car. I’ll reserve judgement until I actually hear it but the idea of a (insert your choice of diesel hybrid here) sounding like a rumbling V8 just seems wrong.

bangle

Get use to it audi has an R8 with diesel power , and its not a super car not!

Bit wasted on the ugly scoobie , VW/audi/bmw are cleaning up on performance diesel .
guts

i just put a diesel particulate filter ‘delete’ pipe and chip on my golf GTD and the result is 165kw and 420nm and 6.0 l/100

boo ya

sounds like a truck but hauls freakin ass

Petrol please..

I just put a set of injectors,intercooler, fuel pump, bigger cat and tune on my xr6T and the result is 345rwkw and 750Nm with a combined 10.1L/100km with enough room to travel 4 adults with masses of space.

And it sounds brilliant and revs to 7 grand…. you can keep your diesel…

guts

10.1 L/100 combined? my arse!

they quote 11 factory i highly doubt you would be getting 10 unless you drive like a granny which wld be impossible in such a beast
Whitbomb07

Audi Q7 6.0L V12 TDI

0-100 in 5.5secs
11.3l/100km
368KW
1000Nm @ 1750-3250rpm
ALOT more room than any Failcon would have.

I would really like to see proof of your 10.1l/100km claim.

Of course this Audi is considerably more expensive, but you get what you pay for (kit wise etc) and I’d like to know how much overall you have invested in your vehicle.

Audi, BMW and Hyundai are all paving the way for high performance and economical Diesels. It’s going to happen whether you like it or not.

But personally I would expect for the EVO’s and STis at least 400Nm ala the MZR-CD 2.2 and Hyundai R 2.2 engines.

Regards

Whitbomb07

matt

$5K tops to get that out of an XR6T, i get 12l/100km

Whitbomb07

Oh and those figures are straight from the showroom so one can only imagine what could be done with a aftermarket tune…………..

Regards

Whitbomb07

Jas

Better to let it die with dignity than to slug it with a diesel engine…

The times may be as quick, but the aural experience will be gone, the soul will be changed and therefore the car will fail to impress.
Guts

I find 10.1 l/100 extremely hard to beleive mate

I know cos I’ve owned and tuned an xr6t up before

Jabba the Hut

He meant 10.1l/10k’s. The guy is full of it.

Economy is the other area the diesel murders a petrol equivalent. The blocks are a lot stronger too.

Hung Low

Actually driven sedately it is completely possible, after all it is a turbo engine! But bury the boot constantly and 20l/100km would be the norm!

Shak

You dont buy an XR6T to drive it sedately. Much in the same way that buying a Q7 V12 TDI for the purposes of practicality and fuel efficiency is just plain dumb. Of course if you eek every last drop out of them, of course they could achieve much lower numbers, but that goes against the whole ethos of these cars.

Hung Low

Take one for a drive Shak, in normal everyday driving and with the available torque, the engine does not need to be taken over 2000rpm or hit boost to keep up with traffic. In my mind that is driving sedately and achievable!
Jabba the Hut

You’re dreaming Hung Low. Under “normal” driving conditions in urban areas the XR6T uses around 13-14 l/100ks.
Hung Low

Jabba, start stop, short trips, traffic yes 14l/100 is probably the case. Driven out on a trip around the greater west of Sydney for example 10-11/100 is possible.
Look at the test on this site with the G6ET average including performance testing, it was only 1/2L/100 extra to the atmo six competition!

bangle

Yep hes dreaming , more like 18l/100k .

Wait till the turbo smashes its way through the donk at 7000rpm .
matt

lol 1.5 litre STI… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whitbomb07

If that’s the case I think they’ll follow VW’s lead and throw in both turbo and supercharger, maybe even a second turbo.

Regards

Whitbomb07

Hung Low

FFS, this is not VW’s lead for econoboxes! The Japs (nissan) were using this arrangement in the 80′s!

Whitbomb07

Hung I at no point said VW was the first to ever do it. Merely they have done it recently. It seems to be something that will set a trend.

How many others have recently done so?

All well and good that Nissan did it 20-30 years ago, but did they continue it from there? Was it a trend setter? No

Take it easy.

Regards

Whitbomb07

philthy

Any idea why that evo has different tyres on the left and right? Dodgy mitsubishis
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I agree at it’s great progress. There is only one issues for lots of diesel engines.
Jonty

Fact is that as soon as any shifts in tech take place people(in general)are hesitant to embrace the change.

I wonder what peoples attitudes where to turbos when they first came on the scene…?

Jabba the Hut

…or Japanese cars for that matter.

ABMPSV

If you watched on ONE HD the Le Mans 24h race the winner was Audi with diesel engine. I watched the race and I was surprise by comments that compared to petrol engines diesel engines very quite.

Devil’s Advocate

The diesel powered cars were very QUIET when compared to the petrol powered cars.

svd

Yes a Diesel engine which has a cooler exhaust because more of the btu value in the fuel is converted to cylinder pressure on the power stroke. A hot exhaust temperature creates more noise when it exits to the atmosphere – a thermal shock thing. A Diesel is noisier at idle and just above but once it is working the noise level stays much the same wheras a Petrol engine has a climbing noise level as the revs rise and mostly due to the hoter exhaust temperature. The Diesels noise is mostly combustion/ignition clatter like pinging in a Petrol engine.

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Both Mitsubishi and Subaru are planning diesel variants of their respective EVO and STi models. Thanks you so much for sharing information.
nemo

Has anyone thought about weight? The EVO X is already a lard arse