2011 Ford Territory EcoBoost Spied

By Paul Maric | May 24th, 2010

After announcing plans to introduce a 2.0-litre four-cylinder variant of Ford’s global EcoBoost engine in the locally built Falcon, Ford has been busted testing the Ford Territory with the same 2.0-litre EcoBoost engine.

The 2.0-litre four-cylinder EcoBoost engine is expected to produce upwards of 185kW, in addition to 350Nm of torque. The engine features Twin-Independent Variable Cam Timing (Ti-VCT) and a turbocharger to extract the most from the engine, giving it V6 power credentials with four-cylinder fuel economy.

Placing the engine in the Territory is a logical move to further supplement the Territory range in the years to come. Once finalised, Ford will offer the Territory with a variant of Land Rover’s 2.7-litre twin-turbocharged diesel engine (as exclusively revealed by CarAdvice), in addition to a Euro IV compliant 4.0-litre I6 engine.

When asked about the plans to introduce an EcoBoost engine in the Ford Territory, Acting Ford Communications Manager, Todd Nissen told CarAdvice:

The 2.0-litre direct-injection turbocharged EcoBoost engine will be added to Falcon range in 2011, as the first global application of Ford’s advanced 2.0-litre EcoBoost engine in a rear-wheel drive vehicle.

There are no plans at this point to introduce the EcoBoost engine in Territory. Territory will receive a clean diesel version of Ford 2.7-litre turbocharged V6 engine in 2011.

Mr Nissen was further quizzed about whether Ford was testing the EcoBoost engine in the Territory for possible future use, he said:

I can’t go into what future engine/product combinations we’re testing.

Further to the news about the EcoBoost being tested in the 2011 Ford Territory, these spy photos also revealed a rehashed front end for the ageing Australian SUV. The photos reveal the use of halogen projector headlights, with upper models predictably picking up High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights.

As mentioned in our recent article about the 2011 Ford Territory, suppliers for components of the rear end have delayed the testing of full production vehicles. The issue is expected to be resolved in time for the vehicle’s release in early 2011. Ford are expected to show the vehicle at this year’s Sydney International Motor Show.

Tom22

That is seriously big numbers for a 2.0L engine, now lets see if it will actually deliver the desired economy. Small boosted engines often uses more petrol than larger motors.

If you want to use less fuel, make the car weigh less.

Reckless1

No it’s not, VW/Audi have been producing those numbers and more for years.

Being the owner of a GTI running around 190KW/380NM I can cheerfully suggest that putting the weight of a Territory, additionally with traditional torque converter auto and RWD drive train around the Ecoboost will result in an Ecoslug of a performer, and poor fuel economy. The Q5 is available with a 2.0 turbo, but it has a twin clutch transmission – and I wouldn’t want that either.

Anyone for a lightweight FWD manual 2.0 Territory to tow that caravan ………

Andrew M

The ecoboost engine gets paired with a DSG Auto in the upcoming Falcon, If Ecoboost is to make it into the Terry, I would suggest it would be the same engine/box combo.

RWD doesnt always mean worse fuel economy, just compare the Aurion with the Falcon and Commodore.

I think the ecoboost should be given a chance first before being critised. Reports from its use in the Explorer sound promising.

The key lies in the low down torque created by the Turbo, the DSG box, and the ecoboost motor being far lighter

Tom22

Andrew, RWD means heavier and more drivetrain loss, the differences between the cars you mentioned is based on other variables.

Also reckless1, obviously you can modify engines to make more power, but as far as i know the highest the GTi engine has ever output stock is 150kw~.

As i said, 185 is very high for an engine tuned for economy.

Andrew M

Yes, I know the theory behind that rule of thumb, but I want to see the real world improvement FWD gives.

The Aurion is much lighter than the Falcon, is FWD and the toyota carries a newer tech’d engine. I think the Aurion even runs on skinnier harder compound tyres.

The Falcon only has torque advantage on its side, yet it can still match Aurion economy, and better it in real world.

Commodore, once again it is heavier than Aurion, less torque than Aurion is RWD, yet commodore wins fuel economy race???

You can present all the text books in the world, but if they cant replicate it on the road, whats it count for.

So what other variable have I missed, and how shocking would Aurion economy be if it were RWD
Mitchell Oke

Tom, the new Golf R20 with it’s 2L DI Turbo puts out 199kw and 350Nm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Golf_Mk6#Engines
http://caradvice.com.au DUBBED

Tom22! I own a mark 6 GTI with a chip i run 220kw and 445nm and fuel economy has dropped from 7.3lt to 100k to 6.1lt .
Reckless1

Tom, the GTI is tuned ex factory for 150kw~, but the Pirelli, S3, and others that use essentially the same 2.0l turbo engine are tuned for much more than the modes Ecoboost figures.

What no-one yet knows about the Ecoboost is where the torque comes in, or put another way, how big is the turbo. If it’s big, the power/torque is average, and it might have serious lag.

I stick by what I said, though, no-one will want to tow with a perky 2.0 turbo engine in a Territory, let alone an Exploder or a Falcon.
Andrew M

Reckless,
what do you mean noone knows when the torque comes in??

Perhaps its just you who doesnt know.
The facts and figures are out there.

FYI the ecoboost has torque on board at 1500rpm though to 5000rpm and its said to have almost no lag. It also has a better spread of power than a diesel engine.

Its also not just a 4 banger with a hair dryer slapped on, its a combination of direct injection along with other bits of tuning that combine with the turbo to give it its performance credentials.

If you want to make a better judgement on the motor, just do a google search before writing it off and declaring “noone knows”

Reckless1

Now on the other hand, the 2.7 diesel is a totally different kettle of fish. Just needs some modern styling to go with that engine and it will be a winner if the price is reasonable. The inline 6 can then be retired, as no-one in their right mind would want it over the diesel.

jp

every 2 litre engine you are quoting has not had directinjection and the technology of the new eco boost engine family…. so essentially your comparison are alreay lacking. Just somthine to consider?

I would agree that i can’t see a 2.0l towing a caravan…. but then again by all reports these engines are pretty good too and it may just be possible. Besides, how many terry’s actually tow anything…. majority are mums doing the shcool run and shopping and the ones that want the performance option the bigger motors? hence why they give you an option box to tick!

Reckless1

Err, JP, all the afore-mentioned VW 2.0 turbo engines are direct injection, high compression engines, which have been named in Wards best engines for years.

The Ecoboost family offers nothing new at all, just a copy of existing VW technology. Imitation is the highest praise.

Andrew M

And that comes from a guy who doesnt even know that specs for the ecoboost engines are out there, let alone seen them.

Who are you to pass judgement as to whether its new or not??

So are you now trying to claim VW invented combustion engines with turbo chargers??
Qikturbo

I don’t see the VW 2.0L turbo having twin independent variable timing as the Ecoboost engine.
Don’t kid yourself that VW are somehow superior in their engine/turbo technology,infact they have probably got one of the worst reputation for reliability.

Andrew M

I gotta ask, how does CA even know the ecoboost in under the bonnet??

http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

We have eyes and ears everywhere.

Andrew M

Gee I hope that wasnt you at my window then….freaky

Seriously, If this info is credable, then good work.
Naughtyius Maximus

LMAO…..really!

Then maybe you guys will come up with stories quicker as mostly slow on uptake or cut & paste armchair reporting

Shak

Actually i find that CA is in the top three quickest when it comes to Aussie motoring news. Wheels and Motor and Other Aussie sites dont seem to have as many updates and as much depth, or as quickly.

Andrew M

quick on some things, slow on others.

They totally missed the Ford workers strike the other week, and also Toyota turning a profit.

Naughtyius Maximus

And you can’t base this story on the simple wild assumption based on pics as at best your just truly “guessing” they are testing the 2.0litre motor! When they actually may be testing the gearbox, diesel motor or suspension settings…all whilst hiding looking under camouflage.

Shak

im sort of with you. All i can see is the 2011 update being tested. There doesnt seem to be any outside indicators of a new engine.And even if ti does have it do you really belive it will be successful.

Andrew M

I suppose, if it didnt sound like a diesel clapping away, the only other reason for testing an engine would be ecoboost time.

If it chops fuel consumption, I believe it will be successfull. Its seems to have worked on the explorer contrary to previous thoughts

toxic_horse

Sounds like a awesome engine swap for classic Cortina.

Can ford get one into FWD configuration for a focus or even fiesta ? That would be fun. (PS I love torque steer)

Andrew M

Mondeo will get ecoboost

Andrew M

PS I hate understeer, much harder to control than oversteer.
The only thing you can do is sit there, jump off the gas and wait for it to turn

toxic_horse

Yea but sometimes stupidity is more fun than logic. As long as the price is right.

Jack

Those kind of figures, Toxic Horse, and you could also swap it into a classic Falcon surf wagon at 1400kg…

The Cortina would be a weapon!

Car Guy

EcoBoost in Territory will be great because Ford australia are great at engines and drivetrains. The current I6 is one of the best engines in the world and it oo will get better in the near future. we will have a choice of I6 petrol\liquid injection, 2.7L diesel and 2 liter EcoBoost petrol and who knows maybe liquid injection at some stage. Great engines in great cars……future looks good for Ford.Oh yeah…….next gen Falcon will be RWD and will share its Australian built platform with the Mustang.

Andy_b

It has already been confirmed we will be getting Liquid Injection LPG. And I doubt there will be an update to the I6 for some time yet as they have now been upgraded to Euro 4.

Technofreak

An amusing story..this will be fun to watch unfold.
Simon

I’ll bet the eco-boost will run premium fuel. This will be a hard sell to fleets.

As for the diesel 2.7L, any figures?
I would have hoped Ford would have created a 2.5L 4 Cylinder Turbo Diesel and a larger, high spec 3L V6 Turbo Diesel option. The smaller engine for frugal motoring and the bigger for more smiling when driving.
2 Diesel offerings, like Audi do with the Q5 diesel engines.
Imagine an AWD Terry with 550NM 0-100 in low 7s with great road dynamics and exceptional soft-road capability. Consumption around 9L/100ks.
I would buy one, and I’m sure many others would too.
Baji

I don’t really get the whole eco-boost and downsizing the engine with large heavy cars like the Territory. Have a look at the Mazda CX7. Its lighter than the Territory and has a small displacement turbo 4, yet its fuel consumption according to owners is quite terrible.

Like others have said, if its tuned for economy, then it will probably be a slug – if it’s tuned for more performance, then expect high fuel consumption.

Or could it be that the Mazda 2.3 DISI turbo is just not an efficient design?

HNC

I completely agree with you Baji having owned a CX-7 2.3lt, the best I could get out on the highway even was 14.1L/100k when I got rid of it. My friend has the MPS mazda 3 and was getting half what I was getting for the same engine, even when it is detuned for the CX-7 to help with fuel economy so the engine itself was good, just not the AWD and weight combination. Big heavy cars with small petrol turbo engines I dont believe are a great real world option in my experiences.

The diesel on the other hand would be great, especially if they give it the all terrain technology from the Land Rovers.

Andy_b

I have a Mazda6 MPS which is AWD, but is significantly better than what figures you quote for your CX7. My average is running under the ADR81/01 10.5L/100km average.

In any case, I don’t think efficiency is too bad for a mid-size AWD car with 190kW and 380Nm.

PoisonEagle

Paul Maric, the article says that Ford denies that its an Ecoboost, how do you know its not just a refined version of the 2.7 litre? I hope they have the EB 4 banger to compete with the growing segment of smaller models, but you don’t give us much to go off, except a flippant remark when asked “how do you know its Eco~?” . So I’ll put the question forth again: How do you know this is a four cylinder testing, to justify the title of the article?

http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

I’m not about to divulge our sources. Suffice to say, it wasn’t powered by the 2.7-litre diesel variant that will live in the Territory from next year, as exclusively revealed by CarAdvice ahead of Ford’s official announcement.

I’d suggest re-reading the quotes, Ford hasn’t denied that they are testing EcoBoost in the Territory. They simply refused to comment.

Andy_b

I believe they are testing the Ecoboost in the Territory, to quote from one of your previous articles:

“Questioned by CarAdvice about the EcoBoost progress at this morning’s briefing Mr Burela said the engines were now being tested.

“We use different types of vehicles, yes we have mules that have Falcon configurations,” he said”

To me, this indicates they are testing the engine in the Territory as a mule?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/41044/ford-falcon-ecoboost-on-schedule-burela/

Naughtyius Maximus

My point is you only “suspect” its the ECOBOOST and there is “no” gimmes to suggest anything here. They could be testing the diesel or newer gearbox and unless you or your hordes of people (eyes & ears) are Superman with XRAY vision then you only truly taking a severe guess here. Just because you have people everywhere counts for nothing here!

Joe5619

Mate, I’m sick of reading your 100 negative comments to one article.. If you don’t like it, “F” off!!

laurie

So is the ZF Auto almost DEAD!!

laurie

Andy_b

ZF continues in all petrol models, so no?

LPG continues with DSI 4 speed until the new LPI system arrives

Mick

The 2.7L diesel is quite an old motor, its the same one that was used in the discovery 3. The updated version of the engine is a 3.0L diesel, available in the Discovery 4. The power figures for the 2.7L is 140kw/440nm, and for the 3.0L is 180kw/600nm.

The important information though is the fuel economy and performance firgures. Despite the Discovery 4 being 80kg or so heavier than the Discovery 3, it has a 0-100km/hr time thats 3.2 seconds faster! Not only that, the fuel economy of the 3.0L is 11.2 L/100km around the city, 8.3 L/100km extra urban, compared with 13.1 L/100km and 8.5 L/100km for the 2.7L.

Combined is 9.3 for the 3.0L and 10.2L for the 2.7L. So the 2.7L Discovery 3, despite being 80kg lighter than the 3.0L Discovery 4, has considerably less acceleration (3.2s slower to 100km/hr), and uses 1.9L/100km more in urban driving (where the Territory will spend much of its time).

I really hope Ford Australia can use the 3.0L in the future, its a far superior engine and will be a considerably more attractive proposition for perspective buyers.

In terms of the 2.0L Ecotec petrol, its power figures look quite decent. The issue though is the power is available due to the turbo. Extended periods of load on the engine such as towing or even long steepish inclines will require the turbo to provide extended periods of high boost. I can see the potential for many overheated 2.0L ecotec engines come summer! :S

Simon

Agree Mick.
Give the punters a premium diesel engine option.
Andy_b

I agree with what you’re saying, however if Land Rover spent the same money in further development of the 2.7L they could have improved the efficiency. I honestly believe marketing was a main reason for going to the 3.0L V6TD – it gave them a big power increase and a differentiating factor (in other words, selling point) for the updated model.
Millatime

Remember the Territory weighs half a tonne LESS than Disco 3, so economy and acceleration will be much better.

tilly

i currently own 2009 Terry Turbo Ghia 245kw, 480nm apart from a bit of fuel saving why would i want to go a new Terry in 2011 with less power and torque. Thats the good thing about the Territory its got a lot of bang for the buck compared to some other 4WD’s. Wish Ford lots of luck with the Terry of which i have a soft spot for, now on my 2nd and love the car, but i like a bit of power and torque behind me for our Australian conditions.

JEKYL & HYDE

“but i like a bit of power and torque behind me for our aussie conditions”…perfect reason from a terry owner why ecoboost will not sell well in large cars(falcon,terry)ford do not understand their market.bring the 3ltr diesel…nobrainer…i’d buy an ecoboost(but in a focus)…

ScottT

3.0L diesel will be too expensive for mainstream Falcons and Tezza’s. However, this would be a better option for FPV. 2.7L will probably attract a $4K premium over standard Tezza’s. Ecoboost is the real deal, high power, low fuel consumption. I just hope the Ford prices it right, it will need to undercut 4.0L versions in price by a handy margin to sell well.

JEKYL & HYDE

the 3.0ltr diesel will only be too expensive until the person test drives the demo.then it would be “all over red rover”.where do i sign…

Simon

Exactly.
If there are people that will part with big cash for a turbo terry you can bet there will be lots that will also pay a premium for a hi-po diesel.
The Audi Q5 has brilliant dynamics and a great 3L V6 TDI that will do 0-100 in 6.5.
I want an aussie SUV that can provide similar performance for less $$$.

Andy_b

They’ve already said that the Ecoboost, in Falcon at least, will come at a premium! To quote CarAdvice:

“Mr Burela dismissed suggestions that the EcoBoost would be used in a low-cost, fleet style model of the Falcon saying it represented affordable technology that would give people a choice.”

Joe5619

That is not how I read that comment.. I read it as, they wont offer an XT model directly for fleets, but have them in XR & G series.. NOTHING in that say anything about a price premium!!
Andy_b

You’re right, I got the wording wrong! What I meant was as it will only be available in a higher grade, there will be a cheaper I6 Falcon available (XT).

nickdl

JEKYL & HYDE try finding a soccer mum who says lots of power and torque are important. Anyway, it’s not like the EcoBoost is lacking in either of those. Plus the fuel consumption is greatly reduced which would also appeal to a lot of Territory buyers.

Joe

The reason Ford are going to Eco-boost Technology is to reduce fuel consumption while still retaining good driveability ie: low down torque etc.

Ford are talking about using this 2.0 Ecoboost engine in a wide variety of cars including the Falcon, Mondeo, Taurus, Explorer, New Ranger and now maybe even the Territory.

Whilst the numbers that are being mentioned are very good(185kw/350nm)the real story for this engine is maximum torque at 1500-1750 rpm. This alone would seem to make this engine an ideal candidate for all of the above mentioned vehicles and fuel economy of around 8l/100km is the icing on the cake.

Obviously Ford have done a lot of work on Ecoboost technology and mated to the Power Shift (dual clutch)gearbox they must be convinced that it is the right way to go. We can expect, as Ford have already said,that in the near future 80% of all Ford engines will have Ecoboost technology.

Apparently the secret of Ecoboost is is the Computer Software that enables all of its systems to work so well together and from what I have heard this technology has been copyrighted by Ford and already has other manufacturers scratching their heads.

Bring on 2011.

Andrew M

Thumbs up x 10.

Sort of what I have been saying in bits and pieces to the doubters out there.

When you actually read into it rather than judge it by its cover people would see this idea is a little more credible than first thoughts
Simon

Sounds great in theory but given the figures are less, both KW and NM than the current NA I6, I’ll wait to see if the hype has any substance.
It seems people are more excited by the diesel prospects.

Andy_b

There will be a significant weight saving by replacing an iron-block 6 cylinder with an alloy block 4 cylinder though which will help offset the lower power and torque figures.

At the end of the day, if these figures are even close to what people are speculating, performance won’t be bad. Remember, AU Falcon had 157kW and 357Nm in a 1600kg+ car.
Andrew M

Ecoboost is much lighter, and power and torque arives earlier than I6.
This article also says upwards of 185kw and 350nm.
They have already tuned the ecoboost beyond that, the 185kw model is their low spec.
If this makes Terrys bonnet, I would assume it would be the higher output version so expect around same figures as current I6 200kw-ish and 400nm-ish

Simon

I hope you are right. To date, every similar engine (capacity with high output) has been very thirsty. Perhaps Ford will manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat! In which case, this technology ought to be in every petrol car.
Andy_b

Base spec is currently quoted at 149kW/300Nm, and when displayed in the Explorer concept it developed 205kW and 380Nm so it is entirely possible!

ScottT

This engine isnt supposed to compete with the 4.0L Six, but suppliment it, The Ecoboost will be aimed squarely at Holdens 3.0L SIDI V6

Andrew M

And at fleets with ever tightening L/100k and co2 emissions cut offs

birdie

quote ,”this technology has been copyrighted by Ford and already has other manufacturers scratching their heads”.good move by ford, why do all that r&d just so other manufacturers can use it and get all the credit

Shak

Whats there to copyright. Isnt it just turbocharging and DI, tuned into a light engine.

Joker the grammar nazi!

Obviously, with that sort of power there is more to this than just DI and Turbocharging.

Lewy

“It’s turbo, I’ll bet it’ll be thirsty”

No, Ecoboost is designed to be frugal. The turbo’s are low blows with variable vanes and intakes mated with a DI fuel system.

“I bet it will run on premium.”

No, its designed to be flexible for all markets so expect it to run on 91 and possibly even E85 in the future.
AAA

Let’s hope they don’t overclock it too much. I prefer engines with timing chains rather than timing belts though.
http://caradvice.com.au auto

If Ford think that a diesel territory will pull them out of a sales slump, think again.
Tinman

In this game, it’s not just what you know but who you know.
If Paul Maric suspects it’s an Ecoboost Territory, then there is a 99.9% chance it is.
Whatever Ford decide to do, I hope they don’t stuff up the original concept of the Territory.
My Territory is the TX RWD and there is nothing like it out there that comes close for NVH,ride and steering at its price point.
NO TORQUE STEER-FANTASTIC!
The room is unbelieveable, two child seats and still room for an adult across the back seat.
Large diameter tyres and long suspension travel provide superb comfort on our crappy roads, and it still handles brilliantly for a two tonne tank.
I would still take the I6, which is returning 12′s/100 in a semi rural area, for its smoothness and quiet nature.
I see the extra fuel consumption a small price to pay for the extra protection and comfort enjoyed by my family.
The great thing about having a greater choice of powerplants and transmissions is that the vehicle becomes adaptable to a greater number of uses, city-highway-towing etc.
There is a lot to be said about a vehicle that is designed in Australia for Australia.
birdie

they sold over 1000 last month, not bad for a 6 year old model suv. so with a total of over 4000 locally made Aussie made fords plus making 13 million profit in the first quarter of this year,no i think there doing OK.

Clueless

13 million was for 2009. The Q1 2010 profit has not been officially released yet. Not even internally.

jj

These disguised terrys are DIESELS

i leaned against one the other day at you yangs when there on a special invitation day. all i can say is that ITS QUIET!

dash is all new but covered up so it cant be seen,
Jonty

A lot of to and fro with speculation…maybe, just maybe, the techs at ford would have used these many months to figure it out so that it will work.