• http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

    Was that a paid article?

    I’m not trying to be nasty but that came across as a seriously nice puff piece for the H3. I had a look at the yellow example at the Perth Auto Show and it was, in my opinion, really terrible. The interior plastics were woeful, the seats were really uncomfortable, the rear door could double as a timpani drum, fit and finish of panels was terrible and a whole host of other things that stood out as being bad.

    I know the motor show circuit isn’t terribly nice on cars but a lot of the stuff I noticed goes back to manufacturing and in the case of the remaining problems, how would these pieces hold up over a few years of ownership?

    400 pre-orders? Are they wanting a good 4WD or an imposing bling-mobile?

  • Glander

    SuperMojo, thats a little over the top dont u think? It is a first steer, u cant expect all the faults to come out in a few hours of driving, I think the important thing to realize is that this is more than just a “look at me I am a big Hummer”,

    unfortunately though most buyers want just that,

    good review.

  • Anthony Crawford

    My drive partner previously ran a serious 4X4 driving school and he rated the H3′s off road ability as on par with the best!

    Nothing paid about this article – I’m not a fan of the powertrain – suggest you re read mate

  • http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

    Slander, I had a look at an H3 for less than 10 minutes and found a whole host of problems, it seems like Anthony was in the vehicle for quite a long time driving out of Melbourne, along some freeways and then to the bush tracks. I’m sure there was enough time to evaluate the seats, interior fitment, etc. before the rough stuff started.

  • Benjie

    Great article.

    I thought the H3 was a bit tame off road but this thing is insane! I’ve got some new respect for this car.

  • http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

    Anthony, I’m sure the off-road ability of the H3 is outstanding with the GMT345 platform being based on a Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon truck platform.

    I wasn’t complaining about the 4WD ability. I was just wondering what your impressions of the quality of the vehicle was. In my short time with the H3 I found a whole raft of issues that would definitely drive me away from buying one.

  • woz

    This Hummer = Dum and Dummer, this is way to big for the bush the 4wd tracks they are using look very forgiving wide and childish, QUOTE: Metre by metre, the Hummer climbed this impossible incline with traction control assisting when the road tyres struggled to find grip over what were essentially, small boulders. WHAT are you kidding me this is nearly flat ground come on, do some real 4wd steep undulation, tight bush tracks, sand driving I bet the thing would get beached instantly, so this leaves me thinking keep this bulky piece of beeeeeep!!! GM away too many big crap clogging up the roads..

  • Me.

    I wish people will stop getting comfuesd with the H3 And H2.

  • Tom

    It is a bit nitpitcky, but it is actually HMMWV. There is no “U” in the original military designation.

    I am surprised this car seems to be very capable off-road. I kind of expected the H3 to be ordinary. All show and no go.

    I think Supercujo’s question is fair enough. I don’t believe this article feels neutral enough, it comes across a bit biased.

    I don’t believe the article was a paid review, but it comes across that way.

    I’ve been reading this site for only a couple of weeks now and some of the other reviews seem much better than this.

    I think more negative aspects of this car could have been brought out. It just seems like a rushed review. Not terrible, but not great.

  • Me.

    Looks like it’s Fuel gauge full and empty simbles are the same as a Ford F-250 fuel gauge simbles. Can’t GM think of anything themselvess?

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/ alborz

    Woz, the photos are of the press shot, and not from the actual terrain covered.

  • Reckless1

    ME, are you a total tool? “Can’t GM think of anything themselvess (sic)? ”

    Please advise us in your infinite wisdom, which Ford model the Hummer resembles.

    Oh, it seems GM CAN think of something themselves, like the whole design of this car. And while you’re at it, which Ford car has the rock crawler transfer case available – ooo stuffit, GM thinking of something themselves again.

    But oh, dear – the fuel guage is similar to an F-250 – damn, GM copycats – not only did they copy that, but the speedo has numbers on it representing speed, they’ve copied that from everyone else too. And it has 4 road wheels, a steering wheel, a windscreen – will GM’s shame never end?

    I’m sad that the engine/auto is so crap in this vehicle, because my 9 year old Jackaroo is due for replacement, and I was going to buy one of these with the rock crawler transfer case – in the US, this package comes with 33″ tyres as well, but seemingly not here. (but a speedo drive gear shouldn’t be too hard to get over from the US)

    Anyway, it’s just a real pity they didn’t release it with the VM Motori V6 diesel and at least a 5 speed auto. Then fuel economy would have been in the 10l/100 range instead of the 17l/100 of the low torque engine it comes with.

    And I’m so heartily fed up with all the morons who constantly harp about the size of the H3 while jumping into their Territory, which is bigger.

  • JW

    I sat in the example in the motor show last year. It has some pretty tacky interior materials in my opinion, and was pretty poorly designed too, nothing luxurious or anything. Call it ‘utilitarian’ if you like, I call it tacky and cheap.

    Furthermore, I don’t think 180kW is just cutting it for a vehicle of this bulk. The only reason why it’s fuel economy isn’t off the scale in my opinion is because of the weak engine that, like 4 cylinder cars compared to V6 cars, will use less fuel than a more powerful (and appropriate) engine.

    From that interior pic, everything is grey. It’s even more grey than my base model Corolla, so clearly something is wrong, when you’re paying ‘only’ $51,990.

  • Reckless1

    JW, 180kw is hardly “weak”, my Jackaroo has 158kw and has NEVER given me the impression it hasn’t got enough power. When the 3.5 litre Isuzu engine was released in 1998, 158kw was the most powerful engine available in any mid sized 4wd.

    Nissan made a big deal when its 4.8 litre petrol engine reached 185kw a few years later.

    The problem for this vehicle is the lack of torque at low engine revs, meaning you have to give it a heap of throttle to keep up with traffic, hence abominable thirst.

    Dull monotone interiors seem to be all the rage at the moment, try looking inside a current Pajero, and many other vehicles. Seems like to pass design school these days unimagination is required :)

  • Anthony Crawford

    I thought I said not enough Torque?

  • jbot

    Have to agree Reckless1. We have a Jackaroo as well, and the engine always pulls strongly, and never feels underpowered, even when towing large loads. It has been a great car for us, had a problem with the auto box recently, but otherwise it has been great.

  • Me.

    Reckless 1, I just said the fuel gauge simbles are the same as a Ford’s, nothing ells.

  • jbot

    At 328Nm, the torque is less than 10Nm less than the Jackaroo. I guess the problem is in the spread of that peak torque.

  • jbot

    So its the full and hollow circle, and the fuel pump GM has copied? 99% of cars that does not have some sort of digital fuel gauge has one that looks the same as this!

  • Me.

    I did not say fuel pump!!
    Just the full and hollow circle.

  • jbot

    by fuel pump, i meant the small picture on the fuel gauge. Still, the full and hollow circle is a very trivial similarity.

  • Lachlan

    if the h3 had a decent engine & transmition this would be a mush better 4×4. but it doesnt therefore it isnt such a great 4×4. i think anthony crawford is one of those people that asses a car for their overall stance on the road, not their mechanics or engneering. Poorly built car, not worth paying over $50,000. i would rather pay that much for a patrol/landcruiser/prado/pajero.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au tony

    Go for it lachlan – you sound like the ttype of guy utterly devoid of automotive passion and will be right at home with a noisey Pajero DID.

    The H3 is a damn good off roader, and at the same time, a great looking vehicle. A pajero Exceed is just over $70K the last time I looked and it has less interior kit.

    Your comments prove you have skimmed over my review with little or no comprehension of the content. First up – its a first steer mate NOT a road test. We drove the cars for half a day!!! The off road sections were tough by a professional 4 X 4 teacher’s perspective, but you were there too right?

    Give me a break!!

  • Toyota Paul

    Yeah Ive read a few reviews, most seem to complement the H3. Would have liked to see a comment on the interior though, its the typical yank interior, not great on the eyes and no doubt ordinary plastics used.

  • JW

    Yeah, but you guys with the Jackaroos, I have little doubt that the Hummer is by far heavier than the Jackaroo.

    Plus, that sort of power and torque was acceptable back then, not so much today if you ask me.

  • Reckless1

    Hummer 2198kg, Jackaroo 1950kg

    Jackaroo is as tough as nails, extra weight of the Hummer must be somewhere, be interesting to know where. Should mean Hummer is tougher still?

  • trackdaze

    Funny you should mention the Izuzu Trooper.

    The H3 is a photocopy of a photocopy of the chassis of ……..A holden Rodeo.

    The H3′s chassis is that of the (correct me if i’m wrong) a chevy yukon a decidedly very average SUV which in turn is based on a Holden Rodeo.

    Me, I’d steer clear of anything with torsion beam front end with leaf springs in the rear. There is much better machinery out today.

    For those people that have laid down money waiting for the hopelessly underdone engined H3…… In the words of Mr T “I pity the fool”

  • Big Pete

    For goodness sake people – Why is everyone harping on about the size of the H3. Its smaller than a Ford Territory, a Range Rover and the biggest Landcruiser and is more fuel efficient than all three.

    I drove one in the States for a month and found it perfectly adequate for normal driving. I dont suggest it will win any quarter mile drags anytime soon but as far as road presence and comfort, you will struggle to find a comprable vehicle for the money.

    I suggest some of you do your research before sprouting so called facts. The H3 shares little in common with the Yukon and while it is true it has modified Yukon Chassis rails, thats about where the similarity ends. The H3 Chassis is shorter and has more reinforcements to allow for the extreme 4WDing it was designed for.

    I pick mine up next week and cant wait. I sold a VZ SS ute ready for the Hummer so will save money on petrol and the insurance was cheaper too.

  • Me.

    Thats right Big Pete this is an H3 and not an H2. When People think Hummer they think H2.

  • Big Pete

    Opps Sorry – got my facts wrong – just checked the definitive guide to the H3s developement, Larry Edsalls book, and the H3 shares chassis rails with the Colorado/Canyon, not the Yukon, and it is still shorter and has been beefed up with extra cross members, jounce bumpers and the spring hangers moved, as well as the bumpers being mounted directly to the rails. Those chunky looking U bolts on the front and back can support the vehicles entire weight on each one.

  • Lachlan

    Ive got a question for Tony. i noticed you picked the pajero out of the 4 vehicles i listed. why the pajero not anything else? in all rerspects the pajero is a dam good 4×4. how many years has mitsubishi won the dakar rtally with its pajero???

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au tony

    lachlan – the Paj is a good 4X4 but you’d hardly call it attractive – at least not these days. The Diesel is frightfully noisey under acceleration and not what you’d expect in a $70K (Exceed) 4×4 these days. Take a drive of the Touareg V6 TDI – over 1000rpm you can’t pick it as a diesel.

  • gm_r_tools

    “hummer- like nothing else” I suggest hummer should change it to something more like “hummer- delays like no one else”
    Ive been waiting 8 months for my h3 and still no satisfaction from either hummer or the dealer who are both telling me conflicting stories.
    gm are a bunch of incompetent assholes, as a result they can forget about me upgrading to a newer model in 3 year time-ill even stay away from every gm brand as this is the second time gm have stuffed up one of my orders,
    anyone else having the same problem please contact me

  • Big Pete

    Re GM_R_Tools comments – yes its very frustrating. I paid my deposit in June and am still waiting. To make it worse I was told my vehilce would be ready for delivery 14th July so I sold my other car and struggled for weeks to get to work (emergency services shift worker!!). Fortunately my dealer in Brisbane has been awesome and came to the party with a loan car when Hummer decided not to help me. I agree, Hummer has been terrible with customer service and support and its like getting information out of a stone. I complained to that Praveen Batish bloke (GM Prestige Manager) directly months ago and as a result get my car very soon – maybe even Monday!! I must say if there was no light at the end of the tunnel I would look at other cars like the Dodge Nitro or the Landrover Freelander. I think Hummers attitude is that the vehicle is going to sell itself so forget the poor saps who forked out early – talk about the basics of looking after your loyal customers – NOT. And whats with their pathetic web site. Half the stuff never works and the news is old and useless, and dont even get me started on that useless desk top widget they crapped on about being the saviour for us waiting. On the plus side, I had a hour long test drive 2 weeks ago and was very impressed. The build quality is excellent and the ride and drive was as expected. If you can hang on then do so as I think you’ll be satisfied. Just remember, you are not alone!!!

  • Big Pete

    Just went to the Hummer site and saw lots of happy people getting free stuff at the Hummer launch. T-shirts, toy cars etc. As one of the 400 long suffering faithful who placed a pre order – where was my invite and my free stuff!! Id settle for a definitive delivery date – gee surprise surpise – it didnt turn up Monday as promised – maybe the end of the week. Hummer a real Bummer

  • Anthony Crawford

    Have forwarded your comment to Hummer Big Pete. Hopefully you’ll get some attention at least. Keep your order alive though mate – I’d love to own a H3!

  • Tomas79

    “Legend has it that all four tyres were shot to pieces but the HMMWV still managed to escape the firefight at 100kmh.”

    What Legend? Sounds like the author is unaware that HMMWV and most military vehicle, and even some civilian trucks have a self-inflating tire systems, which a low the vehicle to drive on, even with punctured tires…

    But this is not an option on the H3…
    Just like Supercujo, I have been in a H3 at the Perth motor show, and i was really not impressed with the quality with a lot of the parts… And the H3 cockpit seems too tiny…
    This truly is a poser vehicle, there is a lot of faking going on… Such as that “quick release” leaver on the wheels…

    Also the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon beats it off road hands down…

  • Anthony Crawford

    what a load of rubbish Tomas – go drive the vehicle before you sound off opinions. That legend was in fact what made the HMMWV famous – at least through the media! I ought to know, my roomate at scholl in the US eneded up a captain incharge of vehicle deployment in Iraq!

    I would put my house on it that the H3 would outgun ANYTHING with the word Jeep on it – except of course the Willy’s or Ford built vehicles.

  • Tomas79

    Anthony,
    Whats a load of rubish??
    The original humvee’s and the H1 and H2 come with an optional tire inflation system… The H3 has a pretend fake one…
    Which is the rectangular bar, across the wheel, which can be seen even in the above pics!!
    When my old man was in the Czech army in the 50′s, Most of the Tatra,Praga Truck’s and APC’s allready back then had similar systems fitted… This allowed the trucks, Apc to continue riding even with with the tires severely shot up….
    Obviously the amount of bullet holes a tire could tolerate depended on the capacity of the pump within the system!!

    As for your Jeep comment?!… Please?!
    Obviously your not very technically minded….

  • Anthony Crawford

    Tomas, please do yourself a favour and get hold of a H3 and take it off road as I have done so. I fail to see how you can comment without ever have been off road road in one. Not disputing the self infaltion systems – just that this is how the HMMWV got its fame.

  • Big Pete

    Here Here Anthony, Tomas you really do seem to be a bit of a tool dont you. Another ill informed pleb with no real idea about the H3, its capabilities, or its origins. You seen obsessed with the tyre(spelt correctly by the way) inflation sysytem – oh dear the H3 hasnt got one, that must make it a poser vehicle – I see your logic there – NOT. As far as Im aware none of the currently available competitiors from Toyota, Mitsubishi or even Merc and Landrover have this option and neither do the jeep. I suggest you concentrate on the value for money and uniqueness of the vehicle as well as the designed in ruggedness which ensures this vehicle will out perform almost all its competitors in the off road setting. You can harp on about the jeep and various others, and even link to youtube showing Hummers stuck in various places but I suggest you can get almost any off road vehicle stuck in almost any setting when driven like a idiot, and it is only negative baggers like you who would draw any solace from such images. Do as Anthony suggests and go drive one before you make comments designed only to inflame an already unrealistic and over heated debate, the like of which I have never experienced for the release of a new model into this country. Hummer must be laughing all the way to the bank with the free advertising and hysteria about its car. I cant wait for mine – and yes… It is actually ready and I take delivery Monday. YEE HA!

  • Shaw

    Just stumbled accross this site, and thought I would have to add my two cents worth. I too am an eagerly waiting H3 customer, and yes, unfortunately there has been delays. I also am from the car game many years ago, so have been on both sides of the fence. It is hard for the dealer to continue trying to offer fake smiles and reassurances, when in fact it is the GM US that have left them high and dry with no further info. To keep me tucked in, Hummer tookearly customers (Order in JUNE) to the Basketball the other night. We had a great night and were even lucky enough to take a couple of the early delivery vehicles to the match in convoy. Having driven the car in US, now here in Australia. I can say, that I think it is a very surprising drive. Very comfortable, quiet and easy to manouvre. Sure it is undepowered, but buyers were not expecting a rocket ship, it has never been advertised as a sports car. It is a serious bit if fun to drive, and it does not cost the Earth. I can buy a Prado Grande for more money, and to be honest – why would you? Well done Hummer Brisbane, but please can you get me my car???

  • Big Pete

    Shaw – Hang in there mate. Keep hassling Hummer Australia. They should assign you a personal customer service representative who you can pester for information. I was able to get VIN and engine numbers as well as shipping and arrival details. It takes about a week from the time the car arrives at Port of Brisbane to be cleared through the Patricks holding yard and then onto the dealers. Ive had my car for a week now and its fantastic. Its great to drive, comfortable and has drawn heaps of attention. It is easy to park and surpisingly nimble in traffic. We took it to the Sunny Coast on the weekend and it cruises effortlessly at 110-120. This weekend we are off to do some offroading. Will be getting in touch with the sales team from Brisbane Hummer about forming a H3 club so we can all get out and have some fun.

  • gareth

    be carefull where you leave your new h3, I only had mine for 3 days and spme prick put a key down the side, thank god there was a cctv camera watching his every move.

  • Anthony Crawford

    Probably an ill informed Greeny without a job and supported by the public purse. Let’s hope our woeful legal system get’s hit with the logic hammer and puts that criminal away for a spell, rather than allowing him to repeat offend, on a good behaviour bond!

  • Big Pete

    Gareth, Sorry to hear about your car – hope you see it through and press as many charges as possible. Scum like that realy get up my nose – why ruin someone elses pride and joy just for the sake of it. I agree with Anthony – probably some one with no real idea, a rampant tree hugger or bludging lefty or perhaps just a huge case of the green eyed monster. I am very cautious where I park however and also have the benefit of being pretty well known around town and I didnt get the nick name bigpete because of a past career in porn (pity really!!) Rest assured if there was such an incident and I happen to get my hands on the prick he will rue the day he first drew breath.

  • Tomas79

    Big Pete You Tool Box, obviously you are incapable of comprehending of what i have said!! So here I go again, The H3′s FAKE tire inflation system adds to making it a wanky pretentious 4wd!! And the only reason i brought it up, is because some one was referring to the Hummers ridding with bullet ridden tires….

    Seriously H3 is genuinely for the image oriented driver… If you wanted something capable out of the box, you’d go for the Wrangler rubicon, you would not give a H3 a second look!! But then again,you saying that the H3 is the most capable 4wd available, means you probably never looked up the specs of the Rubicon, probably not even the H3….
    Which means you’d only love it for the Posse value!!

    This Month’s Australian 4wd action takes a wrangler rubicon and a hummer H3, out into a Victorian highlands…
    It even comes with a DVD of the trip!!

  • Big Pete

    Tomas – You still havent learnt to spell I see. Tyre. We spell it with a Y here in Australia ok – perhaps you skipped school that day. You seem pretty obsessed with the Wrangler Rubicon – good for you. You probably own one and bought it because the Jeep Salesmen were pithching that “Its the closest thing you’ll ever get to a Hummer in Australia” line they have been pedalling for the past two years. I test drove a couple of Jeep models and thats the line they tried on me, a Landcruiser, Patrol and even the Range Rover and new Disco before settling on the H3, it was unmatched in features and capabilities for the price, Also the Jeep salesmen were jerks and the Disco was too expensive once optioned up. Top Gear rated the new Discovery as the most capable 4WD of the era and Australian 4WD buyers guide stated the H3 had “Exceptional off-road ability” and went further by saying “Wondering whether a Land Rover or a Jeep could keep up” so Im sure we can keep finding quotes and comments to couter every arguement. Integral in the design of the H3 was the need for it to be a truely capable off roader and it was tested over the Rubicon trail in both concept and production stages and completed the trail every time – that in itself should give some idea of its capabilities. Yes my H3 makes a statement – it says I can afford this and I have the ability to think outside the square and not buy a boring run of the mill Landcuiser, Jeep or Patrol. Lucky me.

    In closing I would just like to add there is no “fake tyre inflation system” on the vehicle. Hummer have trademarked the design of the wheel centre caps and use it as a marketing tool, along with the 7 slash grille (that Jeep took them to court over and lost)They make no claims of inflation systems and full marks to the design team for capturing the escence and military heritage of the brand. Its quite a nice look with the Hummer name emblassoned on the wheels. I suggest you seek coucelling for your hubcap fettish.

  • Tomas79

    Big Pete-
    You’re not very bright, are you?!! You Keep on making assumptions, and all of them are are incorrect!! I know you assume that everybody was born and raised in Australia, just like you…. But I wasn’t!! So who cares how I spell Tyre, you know what I mean?!!

    Also you are assuming everybody is a badge fanatic just like you, and since I have mentioned a Jeep Rubicon in a good light, you instantly assume I have or inspire to own one!! Hehehe….What a Muppet…
    Actually I have A Toyota Prado on order, due in feb….(decided to go towards the tourer path..)
    Although for the last 2 years I been following the development of the rubicon, and been planning on getting one, way before it even went on the market in the US….
    Hell I have even looked into the Hummer H3…. But it just didn’t stack up ….
    I even spent a couple of days reading hummer forums…. But unlike the JeepJK forums, Aussie Jeep, or General Australian 4wd forums Forums, 90% of the discussions within hummer forums were about lowering them, fitting 20” to 22”, and chroming them up….
    Seriously as I have mentioned before, and even your own comments confirm it, it’s a pure Flash w*nk vehicle, driven by the toorak tractor/ posser crew!!

    “Its the closest thing you’ll ever get to a Hummer in Australia” Big Pete, please tell me what did you put in your crack pipe before, you spitted out a stupid line like this?
    I have never heard as stupid line as this (And as a matter of fact when the H1(The only hummer with true HMMWV heritage) was first released, they used to convert them here in WA to RHD…. But after a year or so the company went bust ), and to contradict your argument again actually had a huge argument with one of the dealer muppets, at the local jeep dealer ship…. Even though it’s been clearly confirmed by most media sources that Jeep rubicon was coming to oz, he was arguing with me that he is 100% certain that the rubicon will never come to aus, as it’s impossible to make them road legal…. Ofcourse he was completely incorrect on the US rubicon specs also…. But you get that, with most the salesman, even in other industries….

    As for the LC3…. Nice car, probably the most capable one overall on paper….
    But the quality/reliability is terrible. In Australian 4wd Monthly, “Best 4wd of the year 2006” The LC3 failed to even complete the test track, it just died on them, midway, and had to be towed back, thefore it came last….
    Also in many US studies last 2 years, it came out as the worst in terms of reliability…
    (Post youre email here, and I can send you the links…)

    As for the H3 having military heritage!!!
    You’re really kidding yourself mate!! You realize that GM Just bought the Hummer label, and slapped it on a completely unrelated vehicle?!! You know the original design team absolutely has nothing to do with the h2, and h3?!! I guess a posser like you a would be satisfied with a captiva with a hummer badge…
    If you are talking military heritage, unlike the H3 the jeep JK has a military version the J8 with a slightly stronger axles then the standard wrangler, but weaker ones then the 44’s on the rubicon, and also a de-tuned diesel engine… also my current car, a Jeep Xj Cherokee has been used as a genuine scout vehicle by the army of my country, and many other ones… (once again if you want prove leave your email)…

    As for being trail rated… haahahaha!! ALL JEEP PRODUCTS ARE RUBICON TRAIL RATED!! With the exception of a JEEP compass, and certain jeep patriots!!

    As for your comment “Yes, My Hummer H3 makes a statement”….
    Please, if you tug on your knob any more, you’ll definitely rip it off!!

    And as I said the H3 does have a pretend tire inflation system… Which is worse then not having one at all….. Why not just add massive spoilers and pretend jet engine too?!!

    As for your H3 vs Rubicon comparison… The following is taken text was written by wooders from the overlander forum…

    Originally Posted by Wooders
    Can’t wait to see a comparison between H3 & the JK Rubicon Unlimited:
    Price – H3 $52-60k, Rubi $44-52k… Winner = Rubi
    Engine – H3 3.7V6, Rubi 3.8V6…… Winner = Rubi
    Man Trans – H3 5spd, Rub 6Spd…. Winner = Rubi
    Auto Trans – H3 4spd, Rub 4Spd…. Winner = Tie
    Rear Diff -H3 Sold, Rubi Solid…..Winner = Tie
    Front Diff – H3 IFS, Rubi Sold…. Winner = Rubi
    Traction Conrol – H3 Either brake controlled or rear locker only, Rubi dual diff locks….Winner = Rubi
    Front Suspension – H3 Torsion bars, Rubi Coils….. Winner = Rubi
    Rear Suspension – H3 Leafs, Rubi Coils…. Winner Rubi
    Transfer case ratio – H3 4:1, Rubi 4:1…. Winner tie
    Swaybar – H3 Swaybar (fixed), Rub Eectronic swaybar Diconnect…… Winner Rubi
    Ground clearance – H3 216mm, Rubi 256mm….. Winner = Rubi
    Towing Capacity – H3 1360kg (manual) or 2040kg (Auto) , Rubi 2300kg…. Winner = Rubi
    Roof – H3 Fixed tin, Rubi dual tops with hard removable panels or softop …..Winner = Rubi

    Like shooting ducks in a barrel huh :twisted:

  • Big Pete

    Well Thomas – you’ve finally shown your true colours and resorted to vitriolic personal attacks. Im perfectly happy where my knob is at present thankyou. Obviously you were abscent from school the day they did literary interpretation and comprehension as well as basic spelling, or are you just a product of the typically inadequate American schooling system?. The sales line I mentioned was not mine at all but, as I quite clearly stated, used on me by not one, but two different Jeep salesmen, from two different dealers.

    Good for you, you found a test that showed the Rubicon was better than the Hummer. Well done your mother must be proud. Hope it had pretty pictures to make it easier for you. As I have mentioned before we can go round and round with claim and counter claim but its begining to bore me. I think it might be sour grapes on your behalf becuase you went the conservative line and bought run of the mill Prado – poor you. Bet your wife made you.

    If your so keen to get hold of a Rubicon do the rest of us a favour and go back where every you came from (by the terrible spelling, corruption of the English language and inabililty to structure sentences correctly lets guess North America somewhere)and leave the rest of us to a happy and fullfilling life getting paid $500 per day to transport Japanese tourists about in personalised Hummer shopping tours – you see I bought mine to stand out from the crowd and make exactly the statement it does. It also allows me some quality 4WD options for the weekend. Right Got to go get ready to take some young girls to their school formal – another $400 in the pocket. Try doing that in your prado – bet its beige.

  • Chris Leo

    I had the opportunity of spending 3 days at fraser Island (funded by GM) test driving the H3. Personally, being a mechanic & a 4WD driver, I thought the H3 was a superb vehicle, good looks, performed great, priced great what else..I don’t see the reason to bag this vehicle at all. I drive a Pajero & Landrover myself, and cant wait to get one of these. Only critisism I have is the wait period is rediculous, and the marketing strategy on the wait for diesel. Iam not going to be forced into a petrol, I’d rather wait for the diesel.
    End of the day it boils down to a matter of choice.

  • Big Pete

    Chris – glad to see someone who has a sensible outlook about the H3 has entered the discussion, welcome aboard.

    I have had mine for about 4 weeks now and love it. It is very comfortable and easy to drive around town, while equally competent on both the highway and in the dirt. I took mine off road last weekend and it handled the rough stuff with no dramas. It was ver remeniscent of my old two door Range Rover in its handling off road. It actually left many of the young turks in their hi-lift Hiluxs and Landcruiers stranded, much to their amazement Im sure.

    I was hesitant about the petrol engine to at first, but was previously driving a 6 litre VZ SS ute whos fuel economy was terribe. The H3 is a revelation for me in that department. Although the company claim 14.5l/100 I have worked my last two tanks out at more like 12.5 with about a 50/50 highway/town mix and 5 hours 4WD last Sunday thrown in so Im actualy better off. Insurance was cheaper too!

    I do however agree it is a long and drawn out wait for delivery. I placed my order way back in April, having driven one whilst on extended holiday in the US, and was expecting to get mine in July, but had to wait till late last month. GM dont seem to concerned however as they are getting so many orders that when customers pull out of the deal, they just on sell that vehicle to the next bloke. I believe they are looking at the diesel option for late 2008, along with the 5.3l V8 but I honestly dont think you need the V8 option.

    You are right of course, it is all a matter of personal choice, but supporters of the Hummer do seem to have to spend an enormous ammount of time defending the brand, the vehicle and the fact they either like or own one from a myriad of naysayers, greenies and one eyed biased stirrers like old mate tomas.

  • Ken

    Hi I’m Ken,

    I just came across this site as i have been shopping for a work/fun car and i’m choosing between the H3 and the Jeep Rubicon. I agree with both Big Pete and Tomas about their opinions, and yes it’s a pesonal opinion. We shouldn’t take any offence. If you don’t like the Hummer H3 don’t buy it and like wise with the Jeep. They are really depends on your personal choice. Yes the Hummer H3 has better looks than the Jeep and will give you all the bling that you can get and it will also probably do very good off road but i have to agree with Thomas (Sorry Big Pete)that the Jeep will do better hands down off road than the H3. As he said and i just read the article in Overlander Magazine, the result off the test between the three (off Road)was down between the Land Cruiser and the Jeep. And the Jeep was awarded the ultimate off roader. And this test was done buy people who test different 4wds all the time. They are not bias to the test. So we leave the results and decision to the professionals and just accept the facts. I still think that the Hummer will be more comfortable beacuse of the IFS front (which is not good for off road) and Leaf in the back for load.

    I also went to the Sydney Motor Show and had look at the Hummer display and the Jeep. They even have a 4wd mini course so you can see how all most of the 4wds perform off road. They didn’t have the Hummer though, that would’ve been a nice thing to see (on the track). So i went in and had a look the jeep on the show and i was very impress overall specially with the offraod performance but the only thing that got me is that, i’ts still look like the old model jeeps. I know it’s biggger and wider but you want it to stand out from the rest of the old models. The Hummer, Yeah i like the look of it very much. very beatiful car but i have to agree with the others that commented here, it is very plasticky and very small inside. I was even talking to a guy who has a Hummer H1 and H2 and said to me, what an sad excuse for a Hummer. I guess it’s like buying a Porche Carrera S, you buy it to carry the badge.

    Ok maybe i should end this now before you guys fall asleep. I’m sorry if i went on and on. Big Pete, sorry if you find most off my spelling incorrect, you can let me know and i wouldn’t be offended. So i’m still deciding what car should i buy for work but i will let you guys know for sure if i ended up with either the H3 or the Jeep.
    Thanks

    Ken

  • Chris Leo

    Hi Ken,
    First of all you don’t buy a Porsche to carry the badge, you buy one if you can afford it. Same goes with the Hummer or any other. Speaking of plastic, a Hummer is anything but mate, The jeep has the same plastic mudguard extensions etc. Also when it comes to offroad performance, I don’t go by those magazines at all. I know for sure & have experienced how the H3 performs. The jeep is a shorter wheel base, so obviously it will perform better in given circumstances.
    As big pete says, I really can’t understand this Hummer bashing thing. I think it all boils down to envy. It’s like comparing a porsche to other toy cars. I have one myself which is an old 91 C4, but beats the living daylights out of those toy cars that make a lot of noise & do nothing.
    No offence, & none taken ;)

  • Chris Leo

    Big Pete, All I can say is, you lucky bastard! I can’t afford one right now, have to wait & see who gets to run this country first….hahahahaha

  • Tomas79

    Ken : Spot On!!
    Big Pete said :“Well Thomas – you’ve finally shown your true colours and resorted to vitriolic personal attacks.”
    Mate, you started with the personal attacks, by calling me a tool, so I don’t know why you got your knickers in a knot all of a sudden?!
    Big Pete said:“Obviously you were abscent from school the day they did literary interpretation and comprehension as well as basic spelling, or are you just a product of the typically inadequate American schooling system?”
    Obviously you lack the mental capacity to come up with a proper technical counter-argument, (not that you could) so there you go attacking my English!! Once again you display your false “know it all attitude”, assuming I’m American!! Anyone with a half-brain could determine my origin just by reading the above posts!! But I guess Reading makes your head hurt!!
    Big Pete said:“Good for you, you found a test that showed the Rubicon was better than the Hummer. Well done your mother must be proud. Hope it had pretty pictures to make it easier for you. As I have mentioned before we can go round and round with claim and counter claim but its begining to bore me.”
    There you go showing your lack of comprehension skills!! It’s not a review It’s a quote from a forum, based on the technical facts!! If you had half the intelligence of a normal person, you would have picked up the mistake of the V6 instead of the 5I! But obviously you don’t!!
    Big Pete said:“I think it might be sour grapes on your behalf becuase you went the conservative line and bought run of the mill Prado – poor you. Bet your wife made you. “
    There you go once again with your know it all attitude!! Maybe you wear the panties in your household, but getting the prado is purely my decision!!I’m getting the prado since the Rubicon doesn’t come with a diesel option, and I’m not impressed with the V6 engine… I have information from a reliable source that Mercedes benz is developing 6 new engines model for the Jeep line up, one of them being a 4.0L petrol!! But that will be out around late 2009… Till then I’m getting a kick arse tourer with a 180L fuel capacity and 9.3L/100 fuel consumption!! Not to mention brilliant value retention!! I already have the 3K put aside purely for adding the dual ARB air lockers…. Within a month I’ll also add the ARB deluxe bulbar, 2” suspension lift, and better rubber….
    Man, your HOLDEN RODEO(GTM355) based H3(GTM345 (Shortend GTM355)) (with it’s laughable It’s torsion bar front and leaf spring back) Can’t even compare!!

    Big Pete said :“If your so keen to get hold of a Rubicon do the rest of us a favour and go back where every you came from (by the terrible spelling, corruption of the English language and inabililty to structure sentences correctly lets guess North America somewhere)and leave the rest of us to a happy and fullfilling life getting paid $500 per day to transport Japanese tourists about in personalised Hummer shopping tours – you see I bought mine to stand out from the crowd and make exactly the statement it does.”
    No1)Mate, Did you just try to flash how much money you supposedly earn a Day?? Your attitude doesn’t surprise me, given you drive a flash w*nk H3!! The only statement you make with the H3, is that you like to pose, and don’t need a genuinely capable off-road car, nor would you be capable to identify one!!
    No2) is $500 pre tax a lot in your state? Maybe for low tech profession like that…
    Big Pete said :“ Right Got to go get ready to take some young girls to their school formal – another $400 in the pocket. Try doing that in your prado – bet its beige.”
    Mate, here you go once again!! No the Prado will be canopy green, just like my metallic green XJ… And why couldn’t I do it? The Prado will transport more people, in more comfort then your H3 ever could!! The H3 inside is significantly smaller then my XJ Cherokee!!
    Chris Leo Says: “Speaking of plastic, a Hummer is anything but mate, The jeep has the same plastic mudguard extensions etc.”

    Mate, the hummer has too much plastic painted over with cheap arse chrome!!
    And of fairly bad quality!!

    AS for the plastic mud guards (un painted), that’s what you want if your serious about taking your 4wd off-road!! Less noticeable damage!! But who would want to take a H3 off-road anyway?!

    Chris Leo Says: “I don’t go by those magazines at all. I know for sure & have experienced how the H3 performs. The jeep is a shorter wheel base, so obviously it will perform better in given circumstances.”

    Chriss you too don’t know too much about 4wds either, do you? The 4 door rubicon has a wheelbase of 2947mm while the hummer h3 has a wheelbase of 2841mm… so I don’t know what your going on about?

    The fact is H3 is just a shortend Holden rodeo platform, with a classic ute type suspension and front IFS, so apart from the badge on the hood (which seems to have fooled a lot of you guy) and its shape, its fairly average offroad!!

    Chris Leo Says: “As big pete says, I really can’t understand this Hummer bashing thing. I think it all boils down to envy. “

    Why envy??? The H3 is not that expensive at all?!
    I think the bashing comes from the fact that most of the H3 fanatics tend to claim like it’s the best off-roader available…. But If you have a look at the technical specs, there is more capable off-roaders around!!

  • Tomas79

    SORRY GUYS here is a better edited version of the previous post…..

    Ken : Spot On!!

    Big Pete said :“Well Thomas – you’ve finally shown your true colours and resorted to vitriolic personal attacks.”

    Mate, you started with the personal attacks, by calling me a tool, so I don’t know why you got your knickers in a knot all of a sudden?!

    Big Pete said:“Obviously you were abscent from school the day they did literary interpretation and comprehension as well as basic spelling, or are you just a product of the typically inadequate American schooling system?”

    Obviously you lack the mental capacity to come up with a proper technical counter-argument, (not that you could) so there you go attacking my English!! Once again you display your false “know it all attitude”, assuming I’m American!! Anyone with a half-brain could determine my origin just by reading the above posts!! But I guess Reading makes your head hurt!!

    Big Pete said:“Good for you, you found a test that showed the Rubicon was better than the Hummer. Well done your mother must be proud. Hope it had pretty pictures to make it easier for you. As I have mentioned before we can go round and round with claim and counter claim but its begining to bore me.”

    There you go showing your lack of comprehension skills!! It’s not a review It’s a quote from a forum, based on the technical facts!! If you had half the intelligence of a normal person, you would have picked up the mistake of the V6 instead of the 5I! But obviously you don’t!!

    Big Pete said:“I think it might be sour grapes on your behalf becuase you went the conservative line and bought run of the mill Prado – poor you. Bet your wife made you. “

    There you go once again with your know it all attitude!! Maybe you wear the panties in your household, but getting the prado is purely my decision!!I’m getting the prado since the Rubicon doesn’t come with a diesel option, and I’m not impressed with the V6 engine… I have information from a reliable source that Mercedes benz is developing 6 new engines model for the Jeep line up, one of them being a 4.0L petrol!! But that will be out around late 2009… Till then I’m getting a kick arse tourer with a 180L fuel capacity and 9.3L/100 fuel consumption!! Not to mention brilliant value retention!! I already have the 3K put aside purely for adding the dual ARB air lockers…. Within a month I’ll also add the ARB deluxe bulbar, 2” suspension lift, and better rubber….
    Man, your HOLDEN RODEO(GTM355) based H3(GTM345 (Shortend GTM355)) (with it’s laughable It’s torsion bar front and leaf spring back) Can’t even compare!!

    Big Pete said :“If your so keen to get hold of a Rubicon do the rest of us a favour and go back where every you came from (by the terrible spelling, corruption of the English language and inabililty to structure sentences correctly lets guess North America somewhere)and leave the rest of us to a happy and fullfilling life getting paid $500 per day to transport Japanese tourists about in personalised Hummer shopping tours – you see I bought mine to stand out from the crowd and make exactly the statement it does.”

    No1)Mate, Did you just try to flash how much money you supposedly earn a Day?? Your attitude doesn’t surprise me, given you drive a flash w*nk H3!! The only statement you make with the H3, is that you like to pose, and don’t need a genuinely capable off-road car, nor would you be capable to identify one!!
    No2) is $500 pre tax a lot in your state? Maybe for low tech profession like that…

    Big Pete said :“ Right Got to go get ready to take some young girls to their school formal – another $400 in the pocket. Try doing that in your prado – bet its beige.”

    Mate, here you go once again!! No the Prado will be canopy green, just like my metallic green XJ… And why couldn’t I do it? The Prado will transport more people, in more comfort then your H3 ever could!! The H3 inside is significantly smaller then my XJ Cherokee!!
    Chris Leo Says: “Speaking of plastic, a Hummer is anything but mate, The jeep has the same plastic mudguard extensions etc.”

    Mate, the hummer has too much plastic painted over with cheap arse chrome!!And of fairly bad paint quality!!

    AS for the plastic mud guards (un painted), that’s what you want if your serious about taking your 4wd off-road!! Less noticeable damage!! But who would want to take a H3 off-road anyway?!

    Chris Leo Says: “I don’t go by those magazines at all. I know for sure & have experienced how the H3 performs. The jeep is a shorter wheel base, so obviously it will perform better in given circumstances.”

    Chriss you too don’t know too much about 4wds either, do you? The 4 door rubicon has a wheelbase of 2947mm while the hummer h3 has a wheelbase of 2841mm… so I don’t know what your going on about?

    The fact is H3 is just a shortend Holden rodeo platform, with a classic ute type suspension and front IFS, so apart from the badge on the hood (which seems to have fooled a lot of you guy) and its shape, its fairly average offroad!!

    Chris Leo Says: “As big pete says, I really can’t understand this Hummer bashing thing. I think it all boils down to envy. “

    Why envy??? The H3 is not that expensive at all?!
    I think the bashing comes from the fact that most of the H3 fanatics tend to claim like it’s the best off-roader available…. But If you have a look at the technical specs, there is more capable off-roaders around!!

  • Big Pete

    Oh Thomas – I thought you might have gone away so the rest of us could get on with a sensible discussion. You still seem unable to comprehend dont you. “Tool” a term of fond enderament and mild taunt implying not the sharpest bloke in the pack – hardly vitriolic and hardly in the same realm of the gutter language you used.

    We all get it – you dont have a decent thing to say about the Hummer – good for you. You dont do your agrument any favours though by actually confessing you own a Jaguar. HAW HAW HAW big belly laughs – what heaps of crap they are – on every level of every model since the MkII in the 60′s.

    Who seems to be making assumption now yeah? I never suggested anything about my income capacity – I made the point I have the option of doing a few things a little diverse from the main stream, thats all. Shopping tours and school formals are a side bar to my full time job and its all cash in hand – very nice it is too, especially now the pinkos have taken over and will soon be ruining the country.

    Anyway – its boring having to defend the H3 from your constant attacks – I just re-read the whole site and you have done nothing but be hyper critical and inflamatory. Obviously its some sort of low brow attempt to make up for your other inadequacies, but for the rest of us its just tedious. Go ruin another site somewhere else – perhaps there is a Jag blog you can join – that ought to be fun.

  • Marty

    Tomas – I couldnt agree more with the last post. I stumbled across this site and have to say you certainly give the impression of only being interested in picking fights and havent been very complimentary to the vehicle or the other participants. If you dont like the car, youve said so, now move on and find something better to do, and the rest of us might try to get back on track.

    Personally, I like the Hummer – I want one but cant really afford or justify having one. They certainly make a bold statement, and from all the reports Ive read, are both very comfortable and competent in city and off road environs. Certainly not as suggested a “w@#nker” vehicle by any means. It shows a lack of respect and probably envy to be so hostile.

  • Tomas79

    Big Pete,
    There you go again,you Nothing technical to say, only personal insults!! If you think XJ is a jaguar, you once again show you’re lack of knowledge of 4wd!!

    Marty,
    Making a bold statement by driving a particular car and W@nking goes hand in hand!! Obviously Since None of you can technically dispute my previous points points, just goes to show, that the H3 is only an off road legend, If you have absolutely no idea about 4wds What so ever….

  • nush

    - the Rubicon and the H3 are BOTH good off road

    - is the offroad capability really the end-all of a purchasing decision for many people? Having said that, – on-paper specifications are not the final word on performance either, so until one has personally pushed the two to their limits under identical situations, one may not vehemently argue that one is definitely better than the other.

    - the bling factor of the H3 is not a weakness, and doesn’t make it bad offroad. That would be akin to saying sharapova is a bad player cos she’s good looking.

    - at the end of the day, people buy (or at least lust after) what appeals to them for whatever reason. Going after someone saying “you’re crap and what you like is crap ” is highly juvenile. Offroad capability seems to be important for you guys, but appearance of course plays a part. some ppl may even say the rubicon looks better than the H3, and hey, that’s fine, cos different people react to different things differently.

    - the H3 is not as bad as tomas would suggest, neither is the prado a bad vehicle, pete.

    - no, i’m not buddhist

    - for the record, i don’t drive a 4wd, but i don’t think that affects the essence of my post

  • Big Pete

    Nush,

    Welcome abouard – nice to see some rationality return – I never said the prado was a bad 4WD, I know a couple of blokes who drive them and they seem pretty capable. When making the beige comment I was just making the point that they are a bit boring looking thats all. Thanks for your input.

    Marty – the Hummer is great, Im very happy with it. It performs well on the highway, is civil and managable around town and Ive had some great fun with it off road too. We have taken it places my Range Rover used to struggle and it surprises people with its capabilities.

    In future I suggest we just ignore Thomas and his attempts to argue. He is obvioulsy spoiling for a fight and will turn on anyone, about anything to get one. Eventually he might just go away. I wonder if he is short!! HE HE

  • Dougal

    Cant contain myself any longer – I have been reading the banter on this site for weeks now and do get a kick out of the way big pete counters and taunts Tomas. Its great – you sure push all the buttons mate – top marks.

    Come on tomas – lighten up. So you dont share the same opinion of the Hummer – good for you. I think people get that now.

    I must confess I was initially thinking of the XJ series Jaguar as well as you claim to be a 4WD expert I thought you couldnt possibly be refering to the Jeep Cherokee of the same monica. Dude, thats laughable – they were worse than the Jag.

    Youve shown your true colours there buddy – you are a one eyed jeep lover, nearly as bad as an ex-smoker. Do yourself a favour and bow out while you still have some shred of credibility left. Big Pete will have a field day with this one. As he said BIG BELLY LAUGHS.

    A Cherokee. good lord!!

  • Chris Leo

    Good to see some guys with a bit of manners. I won’t even reply Tomas79, because it only gives him an opportunity to go on. The way I see it, he propably is some 14 year old behind a computer getting nos & figures from Google.

    Bigpete, have you heard of the 5.3 V8 in the H3?? I saw a test on utube, & it seems to perform quite well where fuel eco is concerned. I know they have brought out a diesel in the H2, wonder when they plan on bringing one out in the H3?!?
    One last thing, is it true that they have stopped making them in yellow??? apparently they now have only an orange!!!

  • Big Pete

    Chris,

    Yes I have heard about the V8 version. Its being released in the US as the H3 Alpha and will be an option on all models next year I think. I have also had a look at the reviews on YouTube and it looks to significantly increase the horsepower which will please the American buyers. Not sure about the fuel economy and to be honest, having just got rid of a V8, I wouldnt be rushing to have another.

    There is talk about a possible deisel option for the UK and Australia but I wouldnt hold your breath – more likely to be 2009 before we see anything.

    You are right about the Yellow, it is no longer available and there will only be about 50 in Australia in total and my understanding from the dealer is they are pretty much all pre-sold, unless you can negotiate for a demonstrator as I know there are two Yellows in my area used as dealer cars now. Glad I managed to gt mine early! The orange is pretty cool actually. If you go to Hummer Australias website you can build a car and get a look at it.

    Thomas – let me get this straight – you are claiming to be a 4WD expert with all this wonderful knowledge, and you have been bagging the Hummer from pillar to post, but now confess to owning an XJ jeep!! I was giving you too much credit in suggesting it was a Jag. Like Dougal said, you just lost all cedibility and should really do youslf a favour and crawl away with your tail between your legs.

    A Cherokee!!! Does it have the faux wood panelling? All I can say is HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HE HE HE HE HA HA HA HA HA HE HE HE HE HE HE HAW HAW HAW HE HE HA HA HA, stop it please, stop it.

  • Davo63

    Lads,

    Good so far. Big Pete, mate can you tell me what colour you opted for? I am currently deployed oversea with the Defence Force and have been researching the H3 for some time. Have read more good reports than bad. I must confess, I drive a XJ Cherokee and have never had a problem it. But would like to move on and the H3 has got me interested. Im also from Brisbane. Which dealer did you use?

    Any way hope you are enjoying you H3. Keep us up to date on how she is going.

    Dave

  • Big Pete

    Davo – Hi mate, welcome. Hope you keep your head down and stay out of trouble overseas. Im ex military myself so you have my 100% support and best wishes.

    I got my H3 from Brisbane Hummer – the guys there were great and they were the only dealer in the S.E Corner who were prepared to bargain on the price. When you get back go see them and ask for Bernie, he will look after you – I have sent a couple of blokes his way and he has done the right thing. Tell him I sent you.

    I got the yellow – it is sort of the Hummer signature colour isnt it and anyway its been my favourite colour since I was a kid. I had a ’34 Ford rod that was bright Yellow and I used to have a Triumph Daytona motorbike in the same colour so it was an easy choice for me. Pity its not available anymore, but have a look at the orange – its a metallic bright orange and would have been my next pick. I test drove a white one and had a silver in the US when I was over there, and they were both nice too. I dont like the sofer colours like the blue or green much, but its pretty much a personal thing.

  • Davo63

    Pete, thanks mate. On our way home so that is a good feeling. Yellow. Yes I agree its a great colour. Thanks on the goss on who to see at Brisbane Hummer. Will drop in there before xmas, thats for sure. Hey keep your eye on this site. Would love to catch up and see the yellow beast. You never know I may have one soon.

    Thanks again Pete.

  • Tomas79

    There you Muppets go again, Incapable of technically disputing any of my previous posts, just going on with more personal attacks!! Given it is mostly just H3 fan boys coming to this page now, I’m not surprised!!

    Anyone else (apart from Ken) Read the latest Overlander Magazine?
    H3 vs Jeep Rubicon vs Landcruiser 76?
    H3 was far outclassed by the Jeep Rubicon and Toyota Landcruiser 76 Offroad…
    Jeep Rubicon became the ultimate winner off-road, off course!!
    But unexpectedly, Jeep Rubicon even won the on-road contest (The H3s true domain!)!!!!

    Big Pete: I really don’t know why your laughing at a XJ Cherokee, considering just a couple of days ago, you had absolutely no idea what one was??!!
    Mate, read a long term review and you’ll see why this 25 year old design is still made to this day(albeit in since 2001 in china as the jeep 2000)!! Although given your technical knowledge, it would all go over the top off your head!!

    As for you getting bored with constantly having to defend H3 from my attacks???!!!
    You have not defended the H3 once??!! You just go on with your personal attacks on me!! Originally, I was interested in your side of the story, I’d like to know why you believe the H3 is the ultimate off-roader? What make it better then the Rubicon, which was available in Australia, way before the h3?!! But more and more with your inability to give me a direct answer, I’m lead to believe that what I have teased you guys with is genuinely true!! You guys just bunch of posers, who bought it for the badge and the pose value!!

    Chris Leo Says: “I won’t even reply Tomas79, because it only gives him an opportunity to go on. “
    Chris Leo: You f*cktard, the only reason you can’t argue is because you pulled you f**** stupid argument right out of your @ss….The 4door rubicon has significantly longer wheelbase then the H3 and the LC76!!

    Dougal Says: “Cant contain myself any longer – I have been reading the banter on this site for weeks now and do get a kick out of the way big pete counters and taunts Tomas. Its great – you sure push all the buttons mate – top marks.”

    Yeah, um…. Still waiting for the first H3 related counter…
    The only way big pete pushes my buttons, is actually by me beating them over his head…

    Dougal Says:” I must confess I was initially thinking of the XJ series Jaguar as well as you claim to be a 4WD expert I thought you couldnt possibly be refering to the Jeep Cherokee of the same monica. Dude, thats laughable – they were worse than the Jag.”
    Obviously you don’t know much about 4wds do you?!!

    Dougal Says:” You’ve shown your true colors there buddy – you are a one eyed jeep lover, nearly as bad as an ex-smoker. Do yourself a favor and bow out while you still have some shred of credibility left.”

    Umm…. One eyed Jeep lover… ???…. Hmmm after having orderd a Toyota Prado that is significantly more expensive then the jeep rubicon I have been promoting…. Your sure your not a bit Schizo? It’s you guys are the one eyed badge followers, going on about H3 when there is clearly better more capable offroaders around!!

    As for the credibility, I’m not the one ignoring the facts!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    But will it last like a cruiser or landrover can?

  • Big Pete

    Got him yeeess!!

    Took a couple of days but here he is, all puffed up and angry. Works every time. Must be short !!

    Honestly mate, you really should do yourself a favour and find something better to do. Ive tried to be nice to you – suggested you were entitled to your opinion and all and even had a bit of sport egging you on, but what you dont seem to understand is we arent interested in your purile crap – we cant, I think I can confidently speak for the rest of the other participants, be bothered trolling the net like some sad faced w*nker pulling not only his pud but specs from here and there to make ourselves sound important.

    We are trying to have a reasonably civil discussion about a vehicle that for whatever reason, we are interested in, as owners or prospective buyers – all you do is slag people off and hang shite on everyone else and everything.

    We dont care about you, not one bit. We dont care about your sodding XJ cherokee (you f*cking idiot, of course I knew what it was – I just didnt think too many people thought they were any chop) or your beige prado. You think the sun shines out of your own date and good for you now will you p@ss off and let us get on with the business of having a normal conversation.

  • Tomas79

    There you go, again!! And you sure sound angry!!
    Ummm…. yeah, sure you knew… ur a pathetic liar!!
    By normal conversation, you mean patting each other on the back on how amazing the H3 offroad is and sharing colour, chrome and bling up tips!!
    There is a hummerr forum for things like that…

    Mate, this is a Car advice (car review) site, where you discuss the merits and therefore the pros and cons of a particular car!!
    Just because you already bought the H3, doesn’t mean everyone’s opinions got to be sugarcoated!!

  • Big Pete

    For F*ck sake idiot – Im not angry – teasing you is easier than shooting ducks on a pond – your just too stupid to realise it – just like you cant interpret sarcasm or irony. You must be a Seppo!!

    Strange for us to be talking about the H3 – its a hummer article you pea brain turd. By definition I think that makes it a Hummer forum. If we all wanted to jerk off about the Rubicon or your sodding prado we would have found blogs for those.

    Your opinions have never been sugarcoated, they have been one eyed and hostile – you have trolled through every web site and mag like the sad faced internet mastubator you must surely be to find every minor spec and point to openly bag the Hummer.

    Like I have said before – good for you – now give it a rest, let the skin grow back on your palms and go away.

    Do you still live at home with Mummy?

  • Peter

    While Tomas is certainly a little overzealous, I must say that not one person here has been able to dispute any of his facts of technical data.

    I personally am a fan of the H3, but for me it’s all about the image.

    If you seriously want to disect the merits of each vehicle, the Prado and Jeep have it well over the H3 for any real offroading – any review read anywhere will confirm that.Where the H3 shines however is in it’s appearance.

  • Chris Leo

    ONE WORD – “UNCIVILIZED” That’s if he knows what it means! Shows his upbringing. Piss off Tomas

  • Big Pete

    Ok – While I cant really be bothered scouring the net for technical data – a few people seem to want some details, so heres what I came up with in about 10 minutes.

    The Hummer has the best approach and departure angles of any 4WD currently available in its class. To get better you have to look at the pinzgauer, the Haflinger or the OKA, all heavy duty military/mining vehicles.

    Ground clearance – Hummer 215mm. Jeep 210, Prado 210
    Turning circle- Hummer 9.94 mtrs, jeep 10.64, Prado 11.4
    Torque – Hummer 325Nm@2800 rpm, Jeep 325@4000rpm
    Water fording – Hummer 610mm, Prado 500, Jeep 400mm
    Max climbable slope 60 degrees, max traverse 40 degrees – couldnt find info for the others.
    Hummer can climb an obstacle 410mm high
    I couldnt find anywhere to support whether the Rubicon has ABS??, standard on the Hummer and Prado

    Tomas – I dont know where you got your data from but my owners manual, and the Hummer site has towing capacity at 2.05 tonnes.

    So the Rubicon has a larger capacity engine – big deal, the Hummer delivers better torque throughout the power band and same max at significantly lower rpm – working the engine less.

    You also claim the Jeep is better because it comes in a soft top? good arguement there champ – NOT. If I wanted a flapping rattling canvas conopy Id have bought a mini moke! Ever heard of an electronic sunroof?

    Also having a 6 speed box doesnt mean the vehicle is better, just different. Both have 4.1 final gear ratio but Hummer has 69.1 super low crawl/decent capability, does the Jeep?

    You also made inference that the plastic guards were cheap, well sorry to disappoint you, the Jeeps are bigger, and the Jeep I looked at in the yard today has more chrome. The only chrome on my H3 is the solid metal grille, no plastic in sight.

    To correct you on one final point, the H3 shares the chassis rails with the Canyon, and thats about all. Big deal – two rails, modified, shortened, and significantly re-inforced, with suspension points moved, different springs, shocks and travel. To take your point further, the Chrysler Crossfire shares its entire chassis, engine and trans with the Mercedes, the Audi TT with the Golf, and all a Lexus is is a Camry. In the 4WD world, the new Discovery is basically the old Range Rover chassis and running gear and the new Rangie has a BMW engine – does that make it a beemer?? I dont think so. In these days of global corporatisation, modifying existing rolling stock makes good sense.

    As I stated before – we can troll the net and mags for specs and argue black and blue, finding things to say what is better. Really it comes down to personal choice, and most blokes on this site seem to be interested in discussing the merits of the vehicle, not just bagging it.

    Let me assure you, the Hummer is very capapble off road, certainly looks better than the 40 year old styling of the Rubicon, or the boring Prado and is as well behaved on the road as any of the currently available 4WDs in its class.

    Enough said I think. Lets move on now shall we.

  • Chris Leo

    Big Pete,

    I don’t know how far this is true, but GM plan on bringing a diesel out towards mid to end 08?? A friend of mine working there said they have a test vehicle as we speak & he actually has driven it. It’s supposed to be absolutely awesome…intersting!!

  • Big Pete

    Chris – I have heard they are investigating it but you seem to have the inside word here – very interesting.

    I think there are plenty of blokes out there who would be interested. I probably would have gone with a V6TDi if it had been available, thats what I was looking at with the Discovery, but fuel costs etc arent really a consideration for me as I lease my through the Emergency Services.

    Certainly would make an interesting platform, and I feel a far better alternative to the V8.

    If the Americans werent so anti diesel Im sure we would have seen one right out of the blocks but they have opted for the good old V8 intstead. Thats ok when petrol is $1.45 a gallon!!

    Keep us posted on developements on this as would be interested to know which engine and some of the specs.

  • Troppo

    Umm, I think I agree with that thomas guy. It looks like a bit of a city w@#nkmobile. But then I prefer my 4×4 to be old and rugged. Then I dont mind so much driving on the beach and through tight bush.

  • quince

    Well as with most things it all comes down to what the individual likes doesn’t it ?
    I have owned landcruisers, jeeps, patrols and bronco’s and all have good and bad points but at the time they were the ones I liked and wanted.
    I hate the bling image that the Hummer’s have got if you want a gangster rapper car go buy a chrysler, and the idea people have that they are expensive, I have just gone through the whole pricing thing and the H3 worked out best FOR ME maybe not for others.
    I think it is great that everyone likes different models it would be boring if we didn’t.
    With the magazine test don’t put much into them they can be vary missleading at times so can spec’s on line these are usually just guide line specs and can vary quite allot
    I have yet to have something on the dyno and it have the h/p and torque in the specs { yes I have a dyno being a performance workshop}

    So basically if you like it cool if you don’t and something else grabs you that’s cool just aslong as it suits your needs.

  • Big Pete

    Hear, Hear, well spoken Quince – I have been trying to put this message across to people for ages but have been fending off the rampant Hummer bashers for awhile now.

    I pretty much think live and let live on most things and it really is all, as you say, about personal choice. I dont go much for all that added bling but if thats what floats your boat then so be it. Again, I fail to see why Hummers get such a bad rap for it. There are plenty of Territories and Cruisers out there with 22in chromies and low profile tyres, not to mention all those wanna be ute drivers with the arse dropped so low all they can carry is a six pack!

    I love my Hummer and when I considered value for money, features, comfort factor and capabilities, it was a clear and easy winner. Throw in the killer looks and image value and the choice was easy.

    Hope you get as much enjoyment out of yours as I am.

  • Bavarian Missile

    BIG PETE……Glad you like what you have but I don’t think many will follow in your foot steps. Its great if your looking for that “LOOK AT ME” advantage….I personally want something that is reliable,great off road,fantastic to tow with …..and doesn’t look like your a egomaniac! Sorry! But you enjoy!

  • Big Pete

    Bavarian – You dont think many will follw in my footsteps eh – perhaps you need to go try order an H3 – they are pre-sold till at least April next year. My dealer told me they cant hope to keep supply and they are selling 3 & 4 per day, totally outstripping the expected demand.

    I think many, many people will follw my footsteps, and why not, its a fantastic vehicle, heaps of features, looks great, has good towing capacity and is very capable and competent both in the city and off road.

    I suggest you will struggle to find a better value for money 4WD with the same features and capabilities.

  • Amanda

    Hi,

    I have ordered a Metallic Blue Adventurer Model with ebony leather that is due to arrive to our dealer in two weeks i am considering selling my spot and if anyone is interested and would like to have one in a fortnight instead of a possible April next year (believe me it will be later they are always late) please post a note in this forum.

  • Cruiser_dude

    Well I’m sick of problems with my 100 series Cruiser and I’m looking at the Hummer as a nice mix between good 4×4 ability and comfort. I have considered a Rubicon but after being in my mates one regularly they are just a bit cheap looking inside. I like the leather seats in the Hummer and curtain airbags. I really am not a fan of soft top motoring and my mate has had quite a few issues with his Jeep when trying to change between the soft and hard top as the plastic windows scratch easily and he has some water leaks in both tops. I’m sure they will get fixed over time. He has a 6 speed manual and averages 14.5l/100klms and has done around 15,000ks now.
    If I was only buying a vehicle to go into 4×4 parks then I’d get a Rubicon but as they don’t ride very well (seats aren’t very comfortable, especially on long drives) and don’t have a solid roof (I need roof racks) I think I’ll be getting a Hummer in the New Year.

  • greg

    ^^ Sounds like someone is tryin to create advertising exposure for Hummer dealers, everything typed in the last post just dosen’t make any sense at all by (cruiser dude)..

  • Bavarian Missile

    Yep…Greg,the Mining companies don’t have that many problems with them.Or I guess there would be a lot more Hummers on Mine Sites!And they already gave that a go with out success!

    So what is he basing the reliability on if he buys a Hummer??? He seems to be talking about airbags and seats not how many times t will go back to the dealers!

    Big Pete……hope you enjoy it as I previously mentioned,you believe every thing your dealer tells you?? My apprehension comes with reliability,Cruisers dont have a problem either with the other requirements you think the Hummer will give you! As I have said before time will tell !!!!!!!!Give me a Cruiser any day!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Im with you Greg…….Alborz is no idiot though but he did say,reliability is something they can not determine in a test drive!We how ever can base our opinions on the Japanese’s previous reliability statistics!!!

  • Cruiser_dude

    I never said I thought a Hummer would be better than a LandCruiser in the reliability stakes nor did I mention the problems I have had with my Cruiser as I wasn’t going to go into it. What I was saying was I am in the market for a new vehicle as I’m sick of spending money on my current Cruiser.
    How dare you bag me and my comments when you don’t know me or my vehicle issues. It’s a real shame people like you “Greg” and “Bavarian Missile” ruin these feedback sections with your biased attacks on other people. I don’t care what you say, I own a 100 series and it has had problems that completely astound me on a vehicle that has just clocked over 110,000ks.
    Like the electric aerial just stopped working, constant electrical issues with tail lights and fog lights, driveline shunt (unless you change gears like an absolute granny) and an average fuel use of 18-20L/100ks (last of the petrol 4.5ltr 6cyl)and an average service through Toyota dealers of $800 every 10,000ks. The vehicle has done it’s job and it’s time for me to move on, I’ve looked at the new Landcruiser but I’ve decided to try another brand and save some money as I don’t want something bigger than a 100 series with less offroad ability than my current vehicle.

  • tony

    more detail in drive.com.au you’ve got to be kidding haven’t you. I think car advice has road tested the H3 three times.

    The reason people come to this site is “independence”. Drive is owned by fairfax and fairfax make money from advertisers so I’ll believe this site along way ahead of some giant commercial operation!!

  • Oz.

    Yeah this is a good site to find out about the Hummer H3, it’s full of tests. The biggest thing it’s not owned by a big company.EG…Fairfax.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Well Greg one would take you have reliability issues with your Cruiser if your complaining …..

    Bag your comments……mate its an opinion….if you choose to take it personally then I can’t be responsible for that!Can I ask is this your first Cruiser…..why didn’t you buy a diesel if economy was a problem? Fog lights….what fog lights????Drive train backlash………how bad was it?????A lot of cars these day have some sort of back lash!Sorry but to me thats not a lot of problems…you cant complain about the cost of service……go to someone else!!Hardly the cars fault!$800.00 on average per 10,000 ks????????…….So I take it you have had it since new and haven’t modified anything?? Good luck with Hummer……..Im sure you have goggled them also from problems??

  • Bavarian Missile

    Lets hope your wheels don’t fall off!

  • greg

    B M, I think you mean Cruiser-Dude, you used my Greg name in your second last post, I don’t own or drive a cruiser and never a Hummer, easy mistake I have done the same awhile ago.
    Cheers

  • Bavarian Missile

    Sorry.my mistake!

  • Senseible

    Here you are judging an almost purpose built off road 4×4 by its interior..wat the hell are you? the typical city fag?
    im pretty sure a 4×4 doesnt get its respect from the interior, but since we are lets give the cayenne an off road trophy….

    the H3 performs well off road judging from reviews, and this is wat it should be judged upon.

  • Cruiser_dude

    Well Bavarian Missile you should be happy about the release of the Hummer here especially if you are looking for a second hand LandCruiser as there should be a fair few at the Hummer dealers around the country. If everything goes as planned mine will be too. With companies/Government departments etc. not allowing leases on V8s anymore it will be interesting to see how it affects the 200 series Cruiser sales.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Mate its Christmas……people don’t fight on Christmas day….Ill come back to you tomorrow!!!!HOHOHO!!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    First of all Cruiser -dude{shouldn\’t that be Hummer -dude now??}Hope you had a Merry Christmas and Santa was good to you.

    Regarding the release of the Hummer and a large number of Cruisers being dumped on to the second hand market……..I doubt that will happen to the extend you think! Sure there maybe a few people out there interested in the Hummer,I mean its a great posers car and may have finally been able to make it off road like the The Earth’s Greatest 4WD’, has been for decades,but it still has a lot to prove !That takes years of trials not 1 test drive!

    As far as the NSW Government scaling down V8s from their lineup…..I guess thats a lot of cheap Holdens and Fords too on the market…….I don\’t think long term that will have a big influence on the overall car market! What are the police going to be driving now?? Not to mention the SOG….cant see them rocking up in Hummers to a major drug bust……..Hummers are hardly incognito….more look at me!

    As I have said before, Mining companies in Australia would digest more Cruisers than any Government department…..and they still wait for delivery on their stock sometimes having to resort to Nissan Patrols……..that also fail….so I guess you impress the Mining Companies in Australia with your new Hummer for a few years of use and more of us may start taking the H3 more seriously!!Who buys a car if your not interested in the reliability issues??

    Interested to know how much your new Hummer is going to cost to service long term too.Seeing that Toyota are now offering a service cost of where you pay just $180 per service for up to the first six standard scheduled services over 3 years, 60,000km ,what ever comes first! Oh and Sensible…………well your not!Go away! Oh course it has to have a descent interior…….the outside may look like a 9 year old designed it but it is still a $50,000 vehicle

  • Phil

    I just got my H3 just before Xmas and it’s great.
    Nice to drive on road and with all the bling it looks great.
    I don’t care what all the Toyota Tossers say. I will probably never go off road, the cruiser looks the same it did 15 years ago $5000 or $100,000 they look the same to me.
    The Hummer looks different and people take notice.
    Now get lost.

  • Big Pete

    Phil –

    Great to hear your happy with your car. I got mine mid October and Love it too. I’ve stated before on this site – its fantastic – easy to drive, ecomomical compared to the VZ SS I used to have, comfortable and very capable off road. Its also a real head turner.

    As far as Im concerned all the naysayers and whiners can go take a flying leap. It all comes down to personal choice and I couldnt be happier with my purchase. At least, as you say, it isnt some tired old Nissan patrol or Cruiser – talk about boring!

  • Cobra045

    all this bitterness.. horses for courses.. lets just face it. It will never seel in volume in australia in numbers like the cruiser. It is more of a niche car, like a designer label shirt. I work for one of the biggest mining companies in australia and they will never buy hummers, as reliability over the last 20 years sees toyota number 1 by a country mile. It is only the 6 month waiting lists that force the odd nissan purchase. For my own reasons I would never buy a H3. I have had 3 100 series cruisers. They were all great cars and all had their own little problems from time to time. But I dont drive one now. Do you know why?? Because 99% of my driving is around the city, with the odd weekend away camping, hence I have bough th the wife a Prado Grande. The 100 series it a pain in the butt to park in the city carparks i can assure you, so anyone thinking the H3 will be easier is an idiot.

  • Big Pete

    Cobra – your wrong about the parking champ – I have the standard roof racks fitted and total height is 1.98 mttrs so I can go into any of the carparks at the major centres in my city no dramas – I know, Ive checked it out. Almost all the carparks, both basement and multi level are 2 mtrs and manouvrability is no drama either and it fits easily into a standard car space.

    Whos the idiot now!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Go Cobra045…………Pete lets see how your reliability goes then we will discuss idiots!

    Thats not a lot of clearance still though Pete! You would want to ensure the suspension is settles at all times or you you could be roofless! No lift kit for you I guess!

  • Big Pete

    I dont know why you blokes keep harping on about reliability – the H3 has been running in the USA and Canada since 2005 and there are no reports of any trouble. You are right and we will just have to wait and see.

    Clearance is clearence – as I said, have been frequenting these places since october with no dramas.

    Regarding the lift kit – I bought a vehicle that is capable enough in standard form thanks – no need for a poxy lift kit – should have expected as much from a cruiser supported!

  • Matt

    “if the h3 had a decent engine & transmition this would be a mush better 4×4. but it doesnt therefore it isnt such a great 4×4. i think anthony crawford is one of those people that asses a car for their overall stance on the road, not their mechanics or engneering. Poorly built car, not worth paying over $50,000. i would rather pay that much for a patrol/landcruiser/prado/pajero.”

    Dude you’r an IDIOT, A landcruiser costs 69k new, Pajero is 50+, Patrol is 50k+, and prado is 45k or something, making a hummer more than worth the money DICK

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Anthony

    Hey Matt, read the third comment by me – I am presuming you CAN read mate.

    Fools like yourself who must have read one line of the review shouldn’t be allowed to post comments.

    Do us all a favour and go bother 4 X 4 magazine with this inane dribble

  • DeepBlue

    Very interesting read.

    I’ve placed a deposit on my H3 and should things go as plan, I should be getting it some time in May. Big Pete, I do hope I will not be encountering such delays like yourself. However, having said that, I am very certain that it would be worth the wait.

    Re: critics with negative remarks
    It boils down to personal preference at the end of the day. You say “tom-ato”; I say “to-ma-to”.

    A Hummer is “like nothing else”…. “now get lost”. =)

  • Chris Leo

    Big Pete, I checked out the new burnt orange colour at the Melbourne motor show, awesome. The jeeps & other make believe tough dogs looked crap in comparison.

  • Big Pete

    Chris – sorry for the delayed response mate – Ive been O/s on holidays – Ive seen the burnt orange too – its pretty cool but glad I got a Yellow one. There are a few more popping up in my corner of the world and its nice to see people waving etc as we go by. The dealer I bought mine off reckons there will be a Hummer day about June so that will be great.

    Still no dramas with mine and overall very happy.

    DeepBlue – I would wish no-one the dramas I had but it was more a supply thing and hassles with Hummer Australia than the dealer who was awesome. Pity but they dont seem to worried about actually helping the customers as the cars are still walking out of the show rooms. As a result Hummer dont need to provide any customer service.

    As you said though – it was worth the wait so hang in there.

  • http://tambolisachin sachin

    I would wish no-one the dramas I had but it was more a supply thing and hassles with Hummer in India. I like to surf and get to be interest while surfimg.

  • http://gmail.com sachin

    I would wish no-one the dramas I had but it was more a supply thing and hassles with Hummer in India. I like to surf more time at least 2 hours per day.

  • Chris Leo

    Sachin, sorry didn’t follow what you said. Have you got a H3 in India? How’s it selling there? I also happened to see a few H2′s on youtube in India! Your surname isn’t Tendulkar by anychance is it ?? LOL

  • Amadash

    Guys,
    Get over it, half of you who say crap things about the hummer is b/c you cant afford it but want one.
    My husband and i are going to buy one and reasons b/c we like it and want a good four wheel drive so do us all a favour piss off and take your nasty pathetic comments some where else even better get a life.

  • Tomas79

    Amadash, you got a typical mentality of a Hummer driver…
    “who say crap things about the hummer is b/c you cant afford it but want one.”
    Obviously, you don’t have mental capacity to comprehend what has been said, so you assume people are just jealous…
    Newsflash, Hummer is fairly cheap as Medium to full size 4wd go!! It’s just that Wrangler Rubicon and 70 series Landcruiser Blow all over it!! But I’m sure you probably don’t even know what a diff lock is, let alone how important it is offroad?!

  • Big Pete

    Look every one – Thomas is back!!!

    Thought he might have crawled away for good by now but alas! Still preaching the same old crap about how good the Wrangler and the Cruider are. Yawn.

    Diff lock? Gee big deal the Hummer has one – whats your point – Oh I forgot, you dont have one, you just want us to think the Jeep is the best vehicle in the world and anyone who thinks different is wrong – news flash you over inflated little germ – The Hummer is still walking out the doors with supply out stripping demand by 6 months. Even the experts are impressed with its value for money, durability and performance, both on and off road so do us all a favour and disappear again will you.

  • VET GP704

    Yes the Hummer H3 is a little over the top. Still Nobody can touch the awesome capability and value of the true JEEP WRANGLER!

    Since 1941. Going strong leading the pack.

  • bazza

    it may be a bit late to ask on this forum but all i would like to know is the H3 a capable 4WD in the beach sand? iam a sandgroper and feel 4WD reputation is best gained in soft coastal sand dunes…

    anyone with any similar experience out there???

  • Raven

    I would be interested to hear from Big Pete as to how the H3 is going. any problems issues and any problems getting them ironed out. I am looking at getting into one, took time for it to grow on me. Any issues from anyone on the H3 thus far would be appreciated.

  • Tomas79

    Big Pete,
    Only one difflock? A serious offroader requires atleast two!! Wrangler Rubicon has 2 from factory!!!
    So hows your Rodeo based Humer going?

  • AMRIT

    THIS IS A REAL MAN DRIVE I LOVE IT AND IN FUTURE I AM PLANNING TO HAVE ONE OF IT BUT IF WE FIND IN CHOICES OF COLOUR SPECIALLY IN BLACK THAT WILL BE GREAT..

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