Hyundai i30 CRDi beats four Mitsubishi EVO’s in Targa Tasmania

By Anthony Crawford | May 02nd, 2010

As the least powerful and most fuel efficient car in this year’s Targa Tasmania, finishing 11^th in class against Mitsubishi Evolutions and V8 powered Holden Commodores, is as good as a podium finish for the drivers and crew of Hyundai’s successful Targa team this year .

After almost 2000 kilometres, the diesel powered i30 finished ahead of nineteen other cars in the Showroom Class and finished ahead of four EVO’s, 2 Holden Commodore V8’s, and one Mazda MX5.

It’s a superb result when you consider the car’s power disadvantage when climbing up steep terrain, where every other car would have be faster than the i30 CRDi.

We congratulate Hyundai and their Targa team, especially driver, Razvan Vlad and co-driver Ioana Vlad, for their consistency throughout what is one of the most demanding tarmac rallies in the world.

Nige

Congrats.
Presume the other cars were DNF?
john

Thats a bloody good effort and runnig costs would have been fairly low compaired to some of the others. Congratulations.
Devil’s Advocate

I thought it was torque that helps you climb “steep terrain” and not power. Something the i30 CRDi doesn’t lack for it’s size (torque that is!). I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the i30 climbed the “steep terrain” easier than the “more powerful” Mazda MX-5 it beat.

Good effort by the way.

Oosh

Nope, it’s power. How many tractors do you see winning hillclimbs?

Devil’s Advocate

I won’t mention what has been winning what is regarded as one of the biggest motor races in the world, the Le Mans 24hr, for the last few years then.

MazMagic

That would be right. I once tried to catch up with a Mazda 6 Diesel from the traffic lights and just couldn’t catch up (mine is a SP23). Just shows the benfits of Diesel. A Diesel would give V8′s a run for their money.
grant

No DA it is NOT torque, it is still power. Think of torque as a measure of oomph (damn technical eh) at a given engine speed. ‘High torque’ engine produces lots of oomph down low, ‘low torque’ engine needs heaps of revs to get anything happening. On a long uphill, the CRDi would be churning away with less than 4000rpm, a screamer EVO would be going much faster while spinning at literally twice the rpm. So still the diesel would be slower. (The advantage of a diesel is that it will motor along happily in normal conditions with a minimum of revs and attention by the driver, while the EVO would be hard work with little or no acceleration at the same revs, and way too much acceleration on changing down a gear or two.)

The real story here is the wet weather bringing all cars back to the amount of power than can be delivered through a wet road. AND that Vlad is very skilled and a very brave boy while some of the EVOs etc have been exposed as poseurs.

Devil’s Advocate

Power gives you top speed, however it is torque that helps you with acceleration. I very much doubt the cars will be reaching the bottom of the hill already at top speed! Due to corners etc they will be constantly braking then accelerating. In this situation the i30 with the higher torque would make up a lot, if not all, of it’s power deficit to cars like the MX-5 that have less torque but more power. BTW, I wasn’t comparing it to an EVO, even then due to it’s turbo an EVO also has high low end torque which improves it’s ‘drive’ out of corners (where most of your speed comes from).
I will give another example. My parents have a Mazda3 diesel. It has around the same power as the 2L petrol version with a similar top speed but the diesel has almost twice the torque. From personal experience on the open road the diesel absolutely slaughters the petrol version in “real world” performance. Driving up a twisty mountain road the petrol version wouldn’t even see where the diesel went the difference is that substantial. And that is what the comment was all about. Torque will help you more climbing steep terrain than power, regardless of if it is diesel or not.

Al Juraj

Power makes cars look good on brochures, but it’s torque that’s important most of the time. Power helps pretty much on top speed, and in OZ, speed means cash. And you’ve hardly seen any Hondas in Targa, haven’t you?

A BMW 330d would likely post the fastest time for a diesel available locally, but yeah, fantastic effort from a car which was deemed lowly back then. It’s mostly down on the drivers to make such an impression, because no matter what, a diesel i30 would generally not beat a Commodore, let alone an Evo.

It’s probably a wake up call for Japs to bring in their oilers (along with autos) here. Diesel has gone a long way and if they can moot the engine volume further and increase its singing power, petrols would soon be meaningless.

http://Audi Robj

It’s the tortoise and the hare..
Andrew M

Um so what about the relevant part……who won, rather than who sponsors this site
http://ozmpsclub.com ozmpsclub

Well done to the team but the better diesel came home in front…..Go the Mazda 3 diesel sedan….

whitbomb07

Care to mention the power and torque difference?

Do you think it would have been the same result if they could fit a 2.0 ‘R’ into the i30?

Regards

Whitbomb07

svd

In response to Oosh. Tractors weigh several tonnes and are low geared as well. Usual top speeds are around 20-30kph. The diesel version of a tractor given the same capacity engine will not have as many kws as the petrol but will have a lot more torque. When you accellerate a vehicle (any vehicle) it is the twisting effort (torque) not the peak kw that is doing the work. KW are only a measurement of torque by revs to give an artificial advertising figure so you can boast to the neighbour that your car is more powerful than theirs. If your car has a peaky torque curve and you are driving in a rev range outside of this peak your neighbours car with a flat torque curve will see it off given similar power to weight ratios. It can get a bit more complicated than this but a vehicle having high torque over a broad rev range is better than a car that has a high torque at a specific narrow rev band, will be more pleasant to drive also.

Devil’s Advocate

Exactly svd!

The Oracle’s Master!

Nice article and well done Hyundai. Another feather in their marketing cap.

Andrew M

Yep, I hope they use the 11th place result to their full advantage.

I can see it now….
We are not quite as good as the Mazda….so we will drop our price accordingly
The Oracle

Spoken like a true fan boy! Never mind the facts

(FORD)Fending off Oracle’s Dribble

The fact is it finished ahead of 4 evos. Yep I am a fan of Hyundai. I’d take their 20 k i30 over the rip off and bland Focus any day of the week. Food anyone?

The Oracle

Yes, but it still came 11th. Hardly a victory. You fanboys are so blind. And why mention the Focus anyway? Where did that come from? It certainly wasn’t related to anything I said.

I must admit, your name made me chuckle. (Though I suspect you are really Clueless Aussie using another alias>)

JooberGTi

Hmm me thinks Hyundai fans are turning to the Toyota fans on this website of the past, their time to gloat.
(FORD)Failed On Road Device

Merely a rib at yout love affair with the blue oval Orifice. The identity thing has been done and dusted. Try and keep up.
(FORD)Failed On Road Device

Oh and Joober, plenty to gloat about for Hyundai fan boys at the moment. They have increased sales far and beyond any other manufacturer of late and are improving rapidly. As for me personally, I am a fan of any manufacturer that produces half decent cars. Hyundai still have some way to go but are showing the world what a company can do when it is passionate about what it does.

A 2.0ltr diesel Hyundai finishing 11th in the Tassie Targa really is a fine effort so do what you must to sell it down Orifice.

You can add VW, Mazda, Honda, Kia (lately) Audi and numerous highend luxo brands to my fanboy list please.

Glad you had a chuckle Orifice. Doesn’t that feel better?
whitbomb07

It’s actually a 1.6lt Diesel.

But for the rules and regs to even things out with NA petrol cars, because the i30 has a turbo it was actually classified as a 2.4lt engine. Which I think is a bit ridiculous, torque may = a 2.4 but the power sure doesn’t………

Regards

Whitbomb07
The Oracle

Clueless, I don’t know what makes you think I’m a Ford fanboy. That is just an ignorant assumption your part. I have often challenged your ridiculous and fabricated statements about Ford and other brands. You never provide any references to support your fantasies. I am very particular to keep my own preferences to myself. My appreciation is for quality design and engineering, regardless of the brand, even Hyundai and Ford on occasion, if it is appropriate.

Blind loyalty is apparently your thing fanboy.
(FORD)For Oracle”s Rage Display

Don’t get your knickers caught in your Orifice. I detect an above normal level of tear flow from you. Yes you are indeed a fanboy of Ford’s. It shows in your heightened rage level and your endless defence of the brand in these forums. You have made plenty of ill-guided assumptions yourself recently.
The Oracle

Indulge in your fantasies if that makes you happy, fanboy. But please remember to keep both hands on the keyboard when thinking about your little Rio.

Trouble

Great. Another reason for all the Korean car lovers to blow their wads all over this website. Get me outta here…

AccentPlanetDotOrg Reloaded

Whatever ToyJOKEA lover.

Trouble

Wow, did you come up with that all by yourself? That must have taken you all day to think of! Couldn’t expect any more from a Hyundai fanboy.

Mr Pee Pee

You guys need to exchange email addresses and take your spat off this website.

Muse

Why? Everyone else gets to troll this website so why shouldn’t I?

ABMPSV

Targa Tasmania Pure Tasmania Showroom Classifications Outright 1st is 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX, and in first 10 there is 5 Lancer. i30 is 10th yes it beat 5 Lancers and 2 HSV. Targa Tasmania Pure Tasmania Modern Classifications Outright is 2010 Lamborghini Gallardo Super Tro. 50 car started in that group and 2009 Skoda Octavia RS finished 21st.
Sumodog

is this site censored ?
Sumodog

Good on Hyundai to participate. While newer Hyundais are much improved cars i still think Caradvice is giving Hyundai and sister Co Kia best reviews possible and not much criticism.
Just read any other reviews of Sorrento or i30 for a proof. Wheels have their special relationship with Holden so i guess it is not uncommon to find such cooperation.
ChairmanMao

Forget this korean rubbish, who won, who came 2nd. etc?

Where did legend GentlemanJim finish?

Perhaps if hyundai didnt have you on the payroll you would be more liberal thinking and genuine free comments etc?
http://ozmpsclub.com ozmpsclub

Gee 1.6 compared to 2.0 but the i30 is lighter than the Mazda 3…….

whitbomb07

By how much?

i30 is 1404kg. Mazda 3 can’t be much more than that.

That extra 400cc gives 105nm and I can’t remember how many kW. Rather important and significant difference I’d say.

You didn’t say what you think would happen if a 2.0 ‘R’ was in it?

You also still haven’t answered my question about the performance difference and lack of economy difference between the new 2.2 3 and 2.2 6 Diesels.

Regards

Whitbomb07

whitbomb07

2008 i30 SX CRDi manual = 1399kg. (1404 is the 2010 model)

85kW, 255nm

2008 BK series 2 MY08 Mazda 3 sedan = 1406kg

105kW, 360nm

Do you think 7kg makes up for 20kW and 105nm?

Regards

Whitbomb07
Sumodog

And what would happen if L3-VDT was in 3 ? Where is Hyundai’s answer to that?

Autoboy

2010 Targa Showroom Finish Positions

1. Lancer EVO IX
2. Mazda3 MPS gen 2. + 1min. 45sec AND 9th outright!
3. Lancer EVO + 1min. 54sec

11. Hyundai i30 Crdi +38min. 31sec

Showromm class results. See: http://www.rallyresults.com.au/targa/TT2010/sr_Classification_Leg5.pdf
http://ozmpsclub.com ozmpsclub

Gee the fishing here is good….
Autoboy

Good to see the hyundai finish where it did. But – understandably – a long way off the pace/times set by the podium finishers in the showroom class:

1. EVO
2. 3MPS [9th outright]
3. EVO

Targa Website has the results for all classes.
Sumodog

EVO is the one to beat as value for $ TT vehicle. MPS did well for a powerfull FWD car.
Save It for the track

All the talk about “torque” is fairly meaningless. In any form of motorsport. it often comes down to the driver or drivers in a particular vehicle. Someone can have the most powerful and quickest car in the world but if they don.t know how to drive around corners then there you go. small capacity diesels are going to beat them. Any observers over the years of production car racing and the like in Aus would have seen more than one “rich boy” stumbling around a race track in their expensive and quick and powerful toys getting hosed by slower, smaller vehicles with better drivers. There really is not that much mystery involved.