1720 kgs……….! Wow

The first paragraph of this blog says quote”The highly anticipated, BMW M3 killing Lexus IS-F is looking better and better every day.”

How can you say this when neither car has been put up against each other yet ?

BMW has been the best engine manufacturer for 30 years now and this year alone has taken out 4 awards including the top award for best engine for the third year running with the first I6 twin turbo. So yes I guess Lexus has made great head way in 20 years against Merc and BMW but they do have these companies as the bench mark to meet and in my opinion haven’t surpassed either of them yet!

the 3 series has had nearly half a century of development to get it where it is today, and by right is a sensational car. The IS on the other hand is in its 2nd generation and is one of the closest to come to the BMW in terms of driving dynamics, which i think we can all agree is what the 3 series is best at. not only that, but lexus has pushed the envelope on build quality and reliability.

if they were to bring back a replacement for the supra, the AE86 and start offering some well thought out performance variants of its range (imho i don’t consider the aurion TRD a well thought car) they would probably inspire more of the car buffs and “drivers” out there.

Their cars appeal to the greater market who use the car as a day-to-day, no fuss mode of transportation.

i own an xr6turbo and have driven numerous different cars and i have to hand it to toyota for their brilliant quality control GIVEN how much you pay for them.

Other than that, i don’t believe there are any manufacturer confirmed data released on the IS-F V8 motor at this stage. all just speculation. power has been reported anywhere between 295kw and 309kw?
If the IS250 vs. 325i weight comparison is anything to go by, i would guess that the IS-F would weight a good 150 – 250kg more than the M3 due to lexus not being so anal about “ëfficient dynamics”

Gary Baird I dont know is Lexus better than Toyota,you asking or telling me?Why also cant a Ford Fan be a BMW fan mate too ? I do own both! Where did I bring up Holden and Ford to Lexus anyway ? I am still waiting for someone to answer my questions on the Lexus against the M3.

Who is Toyota Paul, I thought he was Paul! So what are you smoking mate?

And guess what you two ,your both outclassed by me,hehehe

Lexus has also grown to be one the worlds greatest and most respected car companies… hasn’t it.

Like Alborz said, Lexus hasn’t been able to put a foot wrong in recent years either… has it.

Lexus Fan – don’t bother with Ford/Holden twits like Bavarian… they are still in a jam trying to work out how Toyota out-classed, out-manouvered, out-sold and out-wealthed (if that is a word who cares) the poor old lost buggers at GM and Ford.

And doesn’t that IS-F look like a goer.

LOOKS BLOODY GREAT MATE.

As for the IS-F, its got the credenitials, I think attacking its ‘dynamics’ as someone did is ridiculous considering it isnt even out yet let alone driven it…. but personally the looks aernt great for me. If your paying a fair bit more then the IS250 or in the states 350 youd want it to be more differentiated, not to mention the rear to me at least looks abit outdated, the front is good though

There is nothing wrong with a Toyota. Toyota is the largest auto manufacturer in the world (just overtook GM). Toyota sells most cars in Australia (by a big margin). Toyota reads the market correctly (Scion and Lexus in the US) and builds the car people want to buy (Best selling Camry, Corolla, Prius, and Rav4). I think there is nothing wrong with a Toyota and perhaps there is something wrong with you.

toyota has an established race heritage in the F1 scene, but how they go in the domestic arena will be interesting with the IS-F being their opener.

Can you tell me Paul do you know what this weighs or at what revs its pulling 475 nm of torque ?

Pfft,build quality,safety crap and nanny controls ! I guess if Lexus didn’t have Merc and BMW to aspire to they still would be as good as a Camry………..cast………waiting!

Those damn warranty problems that plague the Holdens and Fords, they wouldn’t occur if they stopped making those unsafe cars with RWD. Toyota FWD rules! Build more Camrys.

Not to mention all those damn Mercs and BMs that run around all over the world with safety features that leave those Holdens for dead.

Did someone blaspheme? Who said those Mercs and BMs have more safety features than Corolla, the best car in the world (no ESP, but it’s FWD, that’s all that matters).

Not to mention those VWs, which were the first to get 5 star safety in a small/medium car with the Golf V, who gave them permission to build safer cars than Toyota??? I’ll have you know that the laest 70 series can be had with NO safety features at all, not even ABS or air bags – take that you Germans and Holdens.

So, is the Lexus better – it has to be, it’s really a Toyota…

Stats of the Lexus I can find are.

5.0 litre v8,298 kws,475 NM of torque at ?, weight ? ,0-100 at 4.9 sec and a 8 speed auto paddle shift gear box {that I imagine you would have to be a F1 driver to get the full potential out of anyway}.

M3s new V8 are 4.0 litre V8 ,313 kws,400 NM of torque at 3900 rpm weight 1655 kilos ,0-100 in 4.8 sec,and a 6 speed SG {Give me a manual please!}.

For me that looks like the M3 is still doing a pretty good job at holding its own. I guess all will be reveled when thay do a test, one on one hey! Also the way see it with more torque in the Lexus but a smidgen slower then the M3 doesn’t that tell you its heavier or has a traction problem ! That then would be a bigger car around a track against the M3 true ! And what does that mean? Not as good I would think,I mean seriously as I said yesterday,they have currently EVOS,STIS,MONAROS,GTS,PHOONS ,and M3s in the Performance Car Series here in Australia ,I just cant see one of these things doing it as well as the M3 sorry,my opinion though.

Oh and its still a glorified Toyota anyway……..cast….waiting for Paul’s reply ?lol

Adam, give it time to prove it self, I think the IS-F will be a major surprise, Lexus hasn’t put a foot wrong recently.

so far all they have left against Lexus is their damn performance cars, and this and the LF-A will once and for all establish the Japs as the best manufacturers of all cars