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  • Reverse Cam

    Funny comment about the handling……..the Territory is widely known as the best handling med SUV bar none. Fuel consumption is heavy but no more so than a pushrod GM V8. I ahd the pleasure of driving a Territory around New Zealand for 2 weeks and believe me they have some extremely twisty roads over there……and the handling\steering was fantastic. It was a non turbo and the overtaking performance was phenominal ! Put the ZF 6 speed into performance mode and the acceleration was simply stunning. Fuel economy worked out at 10.7l\100 over 2450k…….not bad considering the amount of hilly drives and 3 people and luggage\camping gear.

    • Shak

      Good point about the GM pushrods,but they don’t see duty in family haulers, they see duty in sporting V8 sedans, and don’t claim to be fuel efficient. The consumption of the Territory seems very high for a family hauler.

      • Andrew M

        Shak,
        An SS comodore is a family hauler.
        A Territory Turbo Ghia is a family hauler

        Both of those vehicles offer a lower spec engine for those worried about consumption.
        When you get a performance engine, it will drink more fuel.

        Both Ford and Holden fit performance engines to “Family Haulers” and I think its a bit harsh to say one is more excusable than the other.

        Bottom line is if you purchase this (or an SS Commodore) fuel consumption wasnt your priority to start with

        • Shak

          When i think family hauler, i think a car used by soccer mums everyday to cart around the shopping and kids, and then drive the other kids home after school, and then take them to soccer training. The SS is a sports sedan which can carry around the family and do these duties. The Territory is always bought by Families looking for practicality. Whereas the SS will be bought by the family man who knows his car will drink fuel because it is meant to be a sports car.

          • Zandit

            Care to explain the SS Commodore sport wagon then??

          • Andrew M

            Shak,
            An SS is a sporty version of a commodore which is commonly a shopping hauler
            A Terry Turbo ghia is a sporty version of a Terry which is commonly a shopping hauler.

            Are you trying to say high fuel consumption isnt acceptable unless the vehicle isnt practical

          • nickdl

            How about the Calais V8 Sportwagon then? That isn’t really in the same league as the SS.

        • Ryan Devillers

          well its all up to preference between your for or your holdens. however, the new fords do seem better built and better looking. they have some good designers.

    • Ryan Bane

      I had a 6spd n/a Territory for a week around the north island of NZ. Id agree that for its height and heft, the Territory is a brilliant handler, the steering especially confidence inspiring.

      However, consumption averaged 13.5L/100km, and 75% of the drive was open road – (we saw ~18 in town). Performance was sufficient, but id hardly use a phrase like “phenominal”, a good prod of the throttle often required, hence the fuel consumption.

      People in the front were really confortable, however people who used the back seat complained long and hard about the lack of seat comfort – to the point there was a scramble for the front seat everytime we stopped.

      Build quality was patchy, the Sante Fe we had soon after was much better put together – come to think of it, so was the FG Falcon we rented…

      Just needs an update with a good diesel, and a better quality interior (about 3 years ago ;0)

    • Simon

      For a performance SUV, you really need to post performance figures.
      0-100 ect. please.

      • Nick

        Haha. Sorry, but I dont see the relevance of performance figures here. You say ‘Performance SUV’ as if that is some kind of category of car. It’s not. What this is, is not sporty, nor does it have ‘performance’, because a vehicle like this, (that was originally conceived as, essentially, a family-hauler with slightly increased ground clearance and the option of all-wheel-drive) with a mass of more than 2.1 tonnes and a raised centre of gravity, is never going to have interestingly rapid acceleration, nor will it be interestingly stable and dynamic around corners at speed. Here, physics dictates. Also, what is this obsession with 0-100km/h times? Are you one who enjoys open throttle from 0-100 regularly? Is it important in your life? If you could afford this mediocre people mover for your family, would you ever find yourself thinking how you’d really like some more performance? If I know you as well as I think I do, the answer is probably yes. That is why a sensible person would go and buy a base model Territory, before then buying themselves, for instance, an MX-5; a 911, or a veyron. Yes, what I am suggesting is that while the Territory is meritorious of its apparent popularity; true ‘performance’ is simply not within the realm of its potential.

    • geoff

      why not put ford ranger v6 turbo diesel in the new 2010 FG version territory that replace xr6 turbo engine
      then you should not worry about fuel thirsty !

    • Ryan Devillers

      i agree. The new territorry is a great car. Top gear uk even tested it. And they loved it. The territorry does not even sell in the uk. And as he says, consider the sorento, santa fe, kluger (highlander) and prado. All of these have worse fuel consumption, and the sorento and santa fe will definetly not last you more than 5 years withought falling apart

  • Tony

    I had a 06 Turbo Ghia and it certainly had plenty of go but I could not stand the thumping and creaking in the suspension.Also the interior trim just fell off every time some one touched something. I also think this car is at least $5K over priced and I can tell you from experience there is no way you will get anywhere near 10L/100 out of a turbo,15 is about the best you could hope for.

  • Bob

    I agree with the above post. I have a non turbo Ghia SYII and the handling is stunning for a 2 tonne SUV. VERY fun to drive.

    Not sure about your comments on the third row or cargo blind however. The cargo blind is not only sturdy enough to take a load of considerable weight on top of it, but does a great job of almost eliminating noise from loose luggage in the boot. I love it and it’s the strongest cargo blind I’ve ever used.

    The third row takes adults more comfortably than any other SUV I have tested and is a big reason I got the Territory. It isn’t weight limited and seats adults if needed for short trips. If you’re taking 7 people everyday, clearly a Territory is the wrong car but as an every now and then option, I have found it excellent. it could do with some air vent and speakers for third row occupants but I guess since it really isn’t an everyday 7 seater then it wasn’t a deal breaker.

    Mine is a rear wheel drive with the 4 speed which is surprisingly smooth, although the 6 speed is nicer, I can’t really complain about it to be honest. It doesn’t do anything badly.

  • Why?

    What is the reviewer and a lot of the general public for that matter on about with the fuel consumption. Compare it to Mazda CX7 with a 2.3 litre (read nearly half the capacity) turbo’s real world consumption. I’d like to see a CX7 turbo better 14.6 litres! I’d like to also see a naturally aspirated Mazda CX9 or Toyota Kluger match or better the Territory Turbo is real world fuel consumption.
    The reviewer touched on the BMW X5 and Porsche Cayenne. Again, I’d like to see them better 14.6 litres in their Territory Turbo comparable 245kw models.

    • Dennis

      Great Post.

      Problem is that people tend to turn a blind eye to the Japs and Euros when it comes to fuel consumption…

      A friend had a 3.0 X5, avg fuel consumption? 18.7 per 100km and his wife drives it.

      • Martin

        I know! The fuel consumption on the X5′s is just woeful! Even on the 3.0L Diesel.

        • Fritz von Miller

          My mother’s Mercedes-Benz ML 320 CDI (diesel) gets about 16 L /100 km in 95% city driving. Most of the trips are under 15 minutes though in the North Shore of Sydney.

    • Paul Maric

      Funny you should mention that. I’m currently driving a MY10 petrol CX-7 and I’m averaging 10.4L/100km.

      This is over the identical test loop to the Territory written about above.

      While it doesn’t out accelerate the Territory, it certainly handles better and is better built.

      • Benjamin

        You must have the only CX7 that came off properly built

        Everyone I know that has one complains bitterly of fuel usage, 15-20L+, and all have had some sort of problem

      • safety first

        But real life comparatives would be the (and are in the true market place) the CX9, the Prado, Pajero, Pathfinder and the Grand Cherokee. Subaru would also like the Tribecca to be thrown into that mix as well.. Compare those vehicles fuel figures, drivability, towing capacity etc the Tezza isn’t that bad on Fuel.

      • GFC

        Paul is that the turbo 2.3l CX7… or the NA 2.5l one?

        • No way

          Not even Mother Teresa could get a turbo CX7 to average 10.4 litres

          • Benjamin

            Let alone sit 7 people

            Apples v Apples people

        • Paul Maric

          It was the turbocharged petrol CX-7.

          I did a little over 1000km, with around 75% of that spent on the highway over the same test loop as the Territory Turbo.

          If it’s driven sensibly, it will return realistic fuel economy figures.

          • Benjamin

            You should head straight to a CX7 forum and tell every other CX-7 driver they are all driving wrong and you have found the Holy Grail with the CX-7 and got “realistic” fuel economy out of it

            Yours must be one of those journo editions

          • No way

            Driven sensibly a Bugatti Veyron can achieve 10.4 litres as well. But isn’t the allure of the car to not drive it sensibly?

            In your case if you drive like such a grandma that you get that fuel figure in a turbo CX7, why didn’t you just bother with the N/A model as you would never need to use the turbo anyway?

            Are you related to James May?

    • mmmmmmmm

      if fuel is the issue buy the diesel CX7 or X5.
      or wait even longer for ford to maybe one day bring out a diesel terry 6 years later than they needed one.
      FYI the CX9 has the Lincoln 3.7 version of the 3.5 ford motor that will wind up in the next (fwd) falcon and the territory (if it’s still around in a couple years)
      and from personal experience you can hammer a diesel X5 as much as you like, it will still average under 10l/100kms.

    • Jack

      Completely agree.

      Our NA AWD 6 speed averages 11.2L/100km. It seems the glove only comes off for local product….

      It is a fantastic product. Its ride/handling balance is superb, the motor very torquey, reliable, and begins to howl north of 3000 revs. It loves to cruise in the 1000-1500 revs mark, and the key to getting decent fuel economy out of them is to reach your cruising speed and be gentle on the throttle. If you grew up with torqueless cars that you had to thrash to get up to any decent road limit, you will have to modify your style. It’s worth it. Score +1 interest for the next Territory.

  • Martyn

    I am a relatively recent arrival to this country and was stunned that you have such a competent home grown SUV. Yes the fuel consumption is bad but otherwise it is good to drive, comfortable and one of few cars that can fit three baby seats across the second seat.
    I still find it mystifying that the Captiva is so popular, it is less comfortable, the diesel is almost as thirsty as the Terry and it sounds like a tractor. Why would anybody buy an inferior product made in South Korea over an Aussie made Territory?

    • Bent 8 Brigade

      Ford’s PR department chimes in with an anonymous posting…ROFL
      very subtle

      • Martyn

        haha, thankfully these days companies don’t tend to get away with that sort of stuff, just look at all the Wikipedia scandals. Nevertheless I genuinely believe what I said, what don’t you agree with? And don’t suggest I’m an Aussie Ford fanatic, I’ve had golfs before coming to Oz but you can’t fit 3 kids in a golf ;)

        Perhaps I should balance what I said by saying I think the interior needs an update and the interior quality is not what it should be, hopefully we’ll see a new Terry in the next year or so which will fix these issues….

        • Shak

          Can you point out to me what you find makes the Captive inferior. Because the way it looks to me, majority of Australian buyers prefer it to its competitors.

          • Andrew M

            Price and advertising, Captiva does that better

          • cfc

            Checking out the Holdens yesterday. Being in Melbourne all of the demos had hail damage but it was amazing to note the difference between the VE’s and the rest of Holden’s Korean lineup. It was barely visible on any VE but the Cruzes and Captivas had huge amounts of damage due to lower strength steel.

            The Daewoo Holdens are just terrible, the Cruze isn’t bad but definitely not a class leader. They all have bad interiors, none are good looking and the quality of them is shocking. To anyone that thinks that a Captiva is better than a Territory, I pity you. As Andrew said the only thing better about it is price. But why not just buy a year-old Territory if that’s what you’re worried about? It’ll be a much better investment because you won’t want to get rid it a year after you buy it.

      • Facts are….

        @ Bentboy: So the resident rabid Holden fanboy can’t help himself when Ford gets a good wrap, and has to chime in with his usual anti-Ford tripe.
        Mate your credability is already zero, why bother?

        • Bent 8 Brigade

          Facts are…I didn’t say anything negative about Ford, unlike Martyn who took the golden opportunity to take a potshot at the Captiva, which is not the subject of the article.
          Got anymore wisdom before you go to bed? School day on Monday, don’t forget the apple for the teacher

          • Facts are …

            … but you always do! You are a Holden fanboy who, through juvenile jeaolosy, hates Ford. You obviously find it very difficult to deal with the simple fact the Ford product is superior, both the current quality ridden Craptiva and the half-baked local attempt AWD wagon (so forgettable I can’t even remember what they called it).

          • Sick of Muscle Cars

            Why do many Aussies fight over Ford vs Holden, after-all both the companies are based in US with branches all over the world!!!

            Both the companies make billions of dollars while the chairman’s watch and laugh at the Aussies fight among themselves for the brand domination.

          • Mythfrances

            I agree with Sick of Muscle Cars.

            Wake up Aussies, none of the major car makers are owned by Aussies anyway. Who cares if Ford is better than Holden or the other way around. The American still wins!

          • My Cars Called T-Rex

            Too the two posts above – These would have too be two of the most idiotic comments i have ever read.

        • Bent 8 Brigade

          ‘credability’
          ROFL you could at least spell it right, genius.
          Credibility with who? A bunch of internet armchair experts who routinely comment on cars they haven’t driven?
          Too funny, and BTW care factor = 0%

        • mmmmmmmm

          you call this a good wrap?

          ‘ludicrous fuel consumption, bad cornering, spongy brakes, flimsy glass, tight 3rd row’

          the only part referred to as excellent is the ZF gearbox which ford don’t make.
          I know holden fans are biased but ford fans take the cake, anything with a blue oval is the best regardless of how outdated it is.
          I can’t wait to see how they praise their icon when its a front wheel drive american car.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jim Goose senior

    I still love the Terry. Its still fresh outside,but inside it really needs an FG style makeover. Why has there never been a V8,manual or diesel up to now? Extra choice will help sell extra cars. I can see the Terry easily filling the gap left by BF wagon,but more choice between options is needed. I actually feel a Territory ute would do wonders in the bush…..just a thought!

    • Fritz von Miller

      “Why has there never been a V8,manual or diesel up to now?”: probably wouldn’t make back the money it would take to invest. Even just using a powertrain already available is expensive to implement (a la: the diesel Territory, 2.0 L Turbo Falcon).

      Some car makers don’t sell curtains models here because of the money required for ADR compliance. Nothing is cheap.

    • Shak

      A Territory ute is a Falcon ute.

      • Andrew M

        Since when was the Falcon ute available in AWD with 4 doors???

        And then there is the ground clearance thing

        • Devil’s Advocate

          The Falcon ute did have the ground clearance with the RTV…

          Whilst it wasn’t AWD it was more capable “in the paddock” than the standard ute with the extra ground clearance and diff lock etc.

          • Andrew M

            Yeah mate,
            I know the RTV had a lift and difflock along with extra under body protection, but its no longer available, and never had 4 doors nor AWD

    • Andrew M

      Terry stole BF Wagons market to start with, and what was/is left is only fleet.
      Im sure fleet will jump on a base model Terry now, nothing else really makes up the lost space.

      Terry ute……
      I’d be in on that
      It would be about time a good looking, powerfull, great handling and safe dual cab ute came to market to shake up the japs

  • The Realist

    Cheap and nasty. This thing costs more than $60K yet a $45K Hyundai 4WD subject to all import duties is better built.

    Please explain Ford.

    • Myke

      Why does every 4WD/Crossover review become a Hyundai/Kia Appreciation Group?? Enough already, we get it, the Koreans are doing well.
      I would hardly say a $45k 2.2 Diesel is a rival for a $60k 4.0 Turbo. Regardless of HOW GOOD the Hyundai is…

      • Shak

        Its because people have realised that all this tarrif nonsense that Holden and Ford used to throw around no longer exists. They have to become more competitive. They used to live off of the Governments generosity, now, they have to grow up and realise they have much more and stronger competition. I’m not saying the Locals dont make competitive cars, its just that even us local fans are a bit fed up, and we want innovation and class leading products.

        • Rowman

          Class leading? Like Craptvas I guess.

          • Frenchie

            People are buying them though!

    • Michael

      I think that is a ridiculous statement Ford makes a great range of vehicles – the territory needs to be updated that is obvious but australians need to be educated about the products ford has currently that are superior to those that top sales charts it is just a shame

      • The Realist

        Not really bud.

        They’re cheap and nasty.

        As a tax payer I want my investments to at least have matching trim lines.

    • Andrew M

      The price of not using slave labour I suppose….

      And also as shak says, the import taxes arent what they used to be, so get with the times.

      Oh and Hyundai doesnt have a Terry competitor. The Models I assume you are talking about are smaller

      • Bent 8 Brigade

        Santa Fe is a direct competitor to Territory

        • Jack

          Not at all to my way of thinking. The size alone is enough to dismiss it.

      • HNC

        Yeah your right, a 7 seat 2 tonne AWD SUV Santa Fe is not a direct competitor to the Territory, what would you prefer to compare it to, a Landcruiser?

        I would not buy the current model Terry, hopefully next one will have the Land Rover AWD running gear and with the T/Diesel should be a great car, Ford would have trouble keeping up with demand I think, as long as quality issues dont get in the way.

  • Reverse Cam

    Jim Goose….i agree…..the chance is now there for Ford to make more versions of the Territory. I would like to see a high ride version with the diesel engine to give it more off-road capability. This would take sales away from Toyota. I think a ute version would be great but i think it would be too costly to develop. I also think a low ride version would be good for people who want the interior flexibility and load space without the higher ride.

  • Heater

    oh…….theres the Realist being un-real again!! You stick with your crappy Subaru and I will enjoy my new Territory……a great vehicle designed and built in Australia……….well done Ford. Oh.and well done to Ford with their Bosch contract…….may there be more to come.

    • The Realist

      I’ll stick with my M5 thanks.

      Enjoy your Territory. Remember, we all paid for it. ;-)

      • Jack

        @Realist

        …and German taxpayers assist you to pay for your M5! Nearly all automotive manufacturers are protected by their respective governments via policy, direct payments, trade sanctions, tarriff walls, currency manipulation – why do you just not seem to get this point?

        If Australia gives the IMF money, and the IMF gives it to Europe to save German and French banks who unwisely invested in PIIGS welfare states’ bonds, then *indirectly* some of that might assist your next BMW purchase!

      • XR8 Boy

        Realist, the entire X5 series is thrown together (and I use that term realistically) in South Carolina, in the deep south of the USA. Do you honestly believe it is built with any form of Germanic care and precision? It isn’t. And if you think things are rosier from behind the propellor badge, then good luck with that….

  • Heater

    Sorry (un) Realist …i meant Hyundai not Subaru…..

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jim Goose

    Reverse Cam,I certainly hope the Territory can return to its No.1 spot on the sales charts. Fingers crossed eh?

    • Andrew M

      Not before a diesel donk lands and they do away with crayon drawings for adverts

  • NotTheStig

    I couldn’t buy one – needs updating, significantly…

    And those dashboard graphics – they looked crap when they were new, but in 2010 – major URGH…

    Resale value of a Turbo ? – don’t look into it as you will run a mile…

  • Wayne Kerr

    This just goes to show that Australian engineers can design great cars. It’s just too bad the Falcon/Territory platform might be dumped in 2015.

  • Jerry

    As good as this car was when it first came out, and even now somewhat competitive in certain areas, as if you would part with 60-70000 for it!!! I couldn’t pay that much money for something that looks so tired inside and out. Come on Ford, a model cycle should never stretch past 6 years, even though its had a facelift, its still the same territory from 2004. When push comes to shove and Aussies have to part with their real hard earned money, they may baulk when they think about what they are buying.

    • jp

      Thing you forget that regardless of how long the cars been around for it is still competitiv if not class leading?

      Many people buyin this car realise that and even with a mild facelift I reckon majority would be repeat customers….. for a reason. The kluger has however provided the biggest competition to this car and would have taken majority of the sales it has lost….. captiva isn’t a competitor in my eyes, more comparable to smaller suvs like crv??

    • Andrew M

      Jerry,
      Dont pay attention to RRP’s, everyone is playing the driveaway pricing game now, and they advertise their discounts unlike before.

      Model cycle not past 6 years??
      Someone better tell Toyota or even Hyundai. Both of those have vehicles 6 or more years old, and if I think about it Im sure there would be others.

      I do agree the makeover needs to come, but I dont think it looks that bad to start with. Its just become very “Familiar” which makes it seem boring, not so much that is is really that outdated

  • blitzkrieg

    Have Ford fixed the rust,brake hoses,and ball joint failures yet?

    • Jack

      In our case, the balljoints were replaced under warranty at 100,000km (so are brand new now). Were checked every service. In the SYII Territory there is a different balljoint design to our SY, and the balljoint issue does not occur – have a look underneath the two models side by side to see this.
      Rust in the tailgate (5c piece size, surface) has occurred after 3 years living in coastal areas and surfing a lot, and is to be fixed.
      Brake hoses were done as per recall.

      Overall, none of this detracted from our ownership experience of what is a great value for money, enjoyable, comfortable car to own.

      If you are stressed by an 11.2L/100km fuel consumption, you more than make it up on the cheap servicing, parts and insurance, IMO.

  • Benjamin

    The turbo Territory never had the brake hose problems as it brakes are different to a normal Territory

    It honestly pays to read, but if you cant or just enjoy bashing Australia built cars, I hope you don\’t have kids or plan on living here long

    • blitzkrieg

      You only answerd a third of my questions.You must have heard that the territory has had these problems before.I read about these problems frequently in fridays daily mirror.

      • Benjamin

        And the brand of car you drive has never had a recall or a problem?
        Its almost funny to read your message

        Its good to point out problems and criticize isn’t it ??!?!?!

      • dlunn64

        Ball Joint design on new model (SY2) is different to SY on all models and build quality on all local made fords has improved considerably in last six or so months under new MD and the new policy of not producing too many cars and forcing sales as was the previous policy. Paint quality seems considerably better than on older cars (2 to 4 year old cars) and this will fix the rust problem as they didn’t paint them properly previously.

        • blitzkrieg

          I simply asked a legitement question in regards to quite frankly serious safety issues about the vehicle. I doubt anyone would want put themselves or their family in a car that had these problems.dlunn 64 has been good enough to answer the question,cheers.

  • John of Perth

    My brother in law just traded in his 2003 Territory Ghia for a Volvo XC90.

    I could list a litany of issues with it starting from repeated breaking electric windows (all four), four replacement front brake hoses – vehicle was never in for any recall – they just failed, and rust that has consumed the seam which the tailgate rubber conceals.

    It was a no brainer getting out of this vehicle – sorry Ford, your Aussie build construction does not match current world best practice.

    • Benjamin

      Your either trolling or never done any research

      The XC 90 has been subject to major recalls as well many owners having very expensive gearbox problems that should have been covered under warranty

      The grass is always greener on the other side

      • John of Perth

        why would I waste time trolling? I have had an XC and XE’s which were far better built than the current models.

        I hope for my brother-in-law the XC90 works well – I certainly don’t think it will have the same quality issues the Ford has had.

        I would love an XR8 :)

    • daan

      Just wait until something fails on the volvo once its out of warranty. You WILL be sorry.

      • John of Perth

        You don’t always have to go to the dealer once out of warranty – there are some good ‘european’ garages that can offer a more cost effective alternative. I know – also ran a Volvo 244 manual with overdrive which never went to the dealer. The only issue is diagnostics – by the same token my 18mth Nissan Xtrail had a complete ECU failure which would have cost a lot to do out of warranty.

        The point I make and repeat is that the quality issues on the Territory are not good – dreadful is the word I would use. I think what really irks is the repeated failure of items such as brake hoses, window winders etc. And the rust – we should not even see it here in the West.

        • matt

          window winders….. they dont break, they need to be loooked at every service, same as the falcons… if you truely know and like fords, you would know the window tracks need to be greased regulary to work properly. i bet you people are just talking about slow windows.. not that actual unit breaking. (yes ive owned a couple of fords and am laughing at the garbage some of you write)

          • John of Perth

            try broken winders that leave the glass down particularly when its raining.

            Its pretty obvious from the responses I have had to the quality issues I have raised that many of you refuse it could be that bad – believe me it is.

            Note I did not comment about the handling or the packaging concept which is excellent. Its just a damn shame it rusts and falls apart.

            I would not waste my money even on a second hand one.

  • Clueless

    The Turbo Territory dies after July. The exisiting Turbo engine is NOT Euro IV complient. It uses a different motor from Falcon, which will be uograded. Such is the power difference 245kW vs 270 kW.
    The new Territory due Q1 2011 looks fantastic and will have Diesel power. And the new Interior looks great.
    Just looks at X5 fuel consumption figures before slamming Territory. There are a 2 tonne plus, AWD SUV not Fiesta’s.

    And for the morons out there, the Territory is a SUV, not 4WD. It has fully independent suspension and does not have a ladder frame chassis as 4WD’s do.
    Not designed to be an off road vehicle.

    • Philthy

      SUV is an acronym for sports utility vehicle, an annoying american term the australian car industry has adopted. 4WD is an acronym for four wheel drive, which has nothing to do with ladder a frame chassis or independent or live axle suspension. Feel free to climb off your patronising high horse.

      • The Oracle

        I think most people nowadays consider a 4WD to be vehicles like a Land Cruiser Land Rover, Patrol or similar heavy duty vehicles. They also think of AWD as SUVs such as the Territory, Subaru Outback, Craptiva etc. SUV is a commonly accepted term now and the motoring bodies and the governmebt use it to classify vehicles.

        That is all road capable but not off road. Using your logic a Lamborghini is a 4WD vehicle because they drive all wheels. I know which I would prefer on the racetrack or out in the Simpson Desert.

      • Frenchie

        Yeah! Real 4WD have bullbars. How many Territory’s have them compare to those that haven’t?

        • Jack

          They do not need Bullbars, except in near total outback use. I should know, I have used them for hundreds of thousands of km all over the country.

          The real tragedy occurs when the 4wd ute reaches the city, and a school kid falls in front of it on a busy highway near one’s home. It’s tragic. I removed the bull bar from my Cruiser and was much happier, and the time it collected a roo it made no difference.

          ‘Real 4wd’s have bullbars’. What rubbish. They have ladder frame chassis, live axles, articulation, low down torque, controlled chassis twist, and are simple, easy to fix in remote areas. What a poor comment.

      • Tomas79

        Exactly what i was going to say!!

  • Marc

    Love this car but it’s getting a little long in the tooth. When will ford update this so the car is at the front of the pack instead of running at the back like a over weight ginger step kid

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jim Goose

    Its not so bad Marc-Falcon ute buyers had to wait 20 years for the AU!

  • Mike

    I have owned X5 Diesels for 240,000 km, and don’t know where those who quote mileage get their figures from.! The single Turbo averaged 8.9L per 100 over several years running. My current twin turbo uses a little more, can get into the 11′s around town but goes like a V8.
    Have had a bit to do with the Terry and feel they are far ahead of their price opposition in handling and design, all they need is that diesel.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    buy the diesel when it comes out.it least it will have some resale value.$67k buys a v8 holden caprice,it you want a limo hard on fuel…

  • Reality Check

    I like the Terry and gave a turbo one serious consideration last time I updated three years ago, that said, its very long in the tooth now and badly in need of a complete makeover.

    What something of a mystery is that Ford seem to be talking about the forthcoming 2.7 litre diesel, a somewhat anemic unit by latest 3.0 twin turbo european standards, so by the time it eventually arrives in 2011 it’ll be comprehensivly outdated allready ? Why not update to the latest 3.0 litre Range Rover twin turbo engine and give us the 180 KW and 600nm unit ?

    • Bezza

      Would that be the Peugeot engine then? ;-)

  • Jose

    My dad currently has a Territory Ghia Turbo – it\’s the main family hauler. Having driven it, I must say the handling is very good for a tall car but for a car that rides so stiffly, I reckon there\’s a bit too much body roll.

    The Turbo\’s power is excpetional – a bit of turbo lag under 2500rpm but past that, you\’re off into the horizon pretty quickly! Fuel consumption is unimpressive but not unexpected either… it\’s a 2+ tonne SUV with a 4L turbo petrol engine – it\’s hardly going to turn in Prius levels of consumption. For the record, the avg consumption displays 18.4L/100km, that\’s mostly around town. That figure is no worse than my mom\’s Lexus GS V8, which is much lighter and more aerodynamic.

    We really appreciate the spaciousness of the Territory in general. The third row seats aren\’t commodious but a lot better than pretty much everything else on the market bar the Land Rover Discovery (and that\’s way more expensive). Build quality on the other hand like others have noted – I would personally say it\’s pretty shocking. Rough plastic edges, seats tracks that don\’t glide smoothly, poor panel gaps – just something unbecoming of a car that asks over $60K.

    The Territory\’s a keeper! (Until dad\’s work stops paying for petrol, then he\’ll have to consider something more economical!)

  • Simon

    So, what is the latest on diesel terry??

    • Clueless

      Lauched March 2011. WIth 2.7 litre Single turbo Diesel Engine

      • Shak

        So they are using the engine that J/LR ditched? It may perform just fine, but don’t they have newer and more advanced engines in the global Ford catalogue.

  • Joe

    As far as the new Turbo Diesel engine goes, Jaguar charge $7000 more for the 3.0 T/Diesel motor than the standard V6 Petrol motor. Do you think that the average Territory buyer would pay $7000 more for the T/Diesel than for the petrol?

    The 2.7 T/D V6 has got heaps more grunt than the Captiva T/Diesel(approx 445nm vs 320nm) and the other so called Korean competitors and if it’s only a couple of thousand dollars more than the petrol well maybe then it might make good marketing sense. The 2.7 would have to be thousands less for Ford to buy as it is the outgoing, non current motor.

    By the way where is the Kluger in this discussion? Nowhere to be heard of I see. Is it even available in a Diesel? I don’t think so.

  • Joe

    Bye the way, I noticed that there are no performance figures mentioned. The whole reason that someone would pay an extra $9000 for the Turbo over the regular Ghia Awd, when essentially they are the same car apart from the motor, is for the extra grunt. I recall figures like 0-100kmh in the low 6′s and 400m in the mid 14 sec bracket being quite commonplace. This is in the Porsche Cayenne Turbo-BMW X5 4.8 league at less than half the price and with similar if not better fuel economy.

    Why then are cars like the Captiva and Santa Fe etc. even in the same blog? Its like people talking about their Camry’s,Epica’s and Sonata’s on a HSV/FPV article.

    • Tomas79

      “Why then are cars like the Captiva and Santa Fe etc. even in the same blog?”
      For the same reason you bring up Porsche Cayenne Turbo-BMW X5 in the same blog…

    • Simon

      Low 6s? Stock? you may be right but I find it hard to believe. The only info I have found, albeit after a quick online search indicates low 7s. I’m dissappointed CA didn’t time it and 80-120.

  • Gerg

    Release the 2.7 and have the 3.0l TTD ready in the wings with 255/55/18 tyres, 8.5″ wheels and 20mm suspension lift. A 1/2 price RR Sport with 500 kg less mass – I’ll have one and so will thousands of others unless Ford are presently aiming a rifle at theit left foot – think bum-dragging Falcon to book end the Absolutely Ugly of 98. We live in hope.

  • Gerg

    It might even make a big dent in the Prado sales as well – every second driveway in WA seems to have one – and industry has replaced most Landcruiser wagons with diesel Prados.

    • Tomas79

      Failed to make any dents in Prado sail when it was new, let alone when dated!!
      this is a completly different class of vehicle anyway!!

      • Jack

        When new in 2004 it actually did knock the Prado off top selling 4wd position.

        I think since then the market segments have changed, but I remember reading this. Don’t get me wrong Tomas, I love the Toyota 4wds, but when combining a more civilised and exciting drive with (a little) AWD wagon capability and people mover attributes at a good price, it was a breath of fresh air in 2004.

  • Joe

    Thomas79 your pro German bias is coming to the fore. Imagine even mentioning the Territory Turbo in the same blog as BMW & Porsche. I reiterate that the Turbo is Ford’s performance model of the Territory and as such it deserves to at least be mentioned in the same blog as the abovementioned German performance SUV’s.

    Don’t forget that the Territory set the benchmark for SUV’s when first released in 2004 and still drives better than most similar SUV’s 6 years later.

    Bye the way check out you tube and see the 11 second Territory Ghia Turbo. The owner uses it as his every day driver and sure it’s not standard under the bonnet but it only cost a few thousand more than stock and I am sure that it has embarassed more than a few unsuspecting drivers. I wonder which Captiva or Santa Fe would compare to this Territory Turbo?

    • Tomas79

      Joe It might have the perofrmance, but nothing else…
      The build quality among other things is far from par!!

      Joe says: “Don’t forget that the Territory set the benchmark for SUV’s when first released in 2004 and still drives better than most similar SUV’s 6 years later.”

      Bench mark for what? It’s hardly a benchmark if it’s only sold in australia…
      And given it has no offroad capability and only has a thirsity petrol motor, not too practical either…

  • Gerg

    Territory Outsold Prado for a while and whilst the Territiory has as much chance keeping up off-road as a Prado has of keeping with the Ford on-road, they ARE direct competitors as most of them do the school run + light 4WDing.

    The company I work for has a stack of well liked Prados that only have to travel the odd dirt road. A TTD Territory on decent tyres could easily do the same job for cheaper. Ford just has to do the job properly which is the worry – even for the true believers.

    • Tomas79

      It’s not a true Competitor to Prado, as it is not a true offroader..
      I never seen any of the 4wd mags do a comparo on the Prado and a territory!!

      • Gerg

        You dont seem to grasp that ‘SUV’ is a broad church and manufacturers just want a big slice. Customers dont necessarily read 4×4 mags but do want diesel these days and will compromise on many other aspects

  • Joe

    As far as the 0-100 sprint goes, Wheels magazine tested the F6X(270KW vs 245KW) at 5.9 secs in April ’08 and the 400m sprint in 13.9 secs, so I don’t think that low 6′s and mid 14′s are too hard to achieve especially when both the Territory Turbo and the F6X share the same engine,transmission, gear ratio’s,weight etc. The only real difference is the less restrictive exhaust and the slightly different computer mapping of the F6X.

    I know of plenty of owners who have had the $125 exhaust modification(remove exhaust bung) and bang they’re up to almost 270kw with slightly better fuel consumption than before and a nicer exhaust note.

    A SZ Territory Ghia Turbo(petrol)with Liquid Gas Injection(if you could find somewhere to put the rear seat?) would be a hell of an SUV and Tow Wagon wouldn’t it?

  • Joe

    Thomas79, just a few things please.

    Build quality.I have had 3 Territory’s as company cars, an 04 Ghia AWD, an 06 Ghia Turbo and an 08 SYII Ghia AWD. All of these cars were wonderfull family wagons and I had so few problems with any of them that it’s not worth mentioning. The build quality whilst not in the same league as the German SUV’S, was definitely better than the average local or Korean car.

    SUV Benchmark. Whilst you are right about being local built, don’t forget that it was not only compared to other local SUV’s, as there aren’t any, but it was also compared to all other SUV’s that were sold in Australia of which they’re plenty of.

    No off road ability. Well I wouldn’t drive one to Cape York or use one to cross creeks but they perform admirably on sand, snow and mud, not to mention they are great for pulling your big boat out of the water or towing your caravan around the country.

  • The Oracle

    I’m glad CA managed to get the seats folded up and down without any problems! Unlike the last time when they tested a Territory. They must have RTFM!

Ford Territory Specs

GHIA : 4.0L MULTI POINT F/INJ - 6 SP AUTO SEQ SPORTSHIFT - UNLEADED PETROL - 4D WAGON
Car Details
Make
FORD
Model
TERRITORY
Variant
GHIA
Series
SY MKII
Year
2010
Body Type
4D WAGON
Seats
7
Engine Specifications
Engine Type
MULTI POINT F/INJ
Engine Size
4.0L
Cylinders
INLINE 6
Max. Torque
383Nm @  2500rpm
Max. Power
190kW @  5250rpm
Pwr:Wgt Ratio
90.5W/kg
Bore & Stroke
92.26x99.31mm
Compression Ratio
10.3
Valve Gear
VARIABLE DOUBLE OVERHEAD CAM
Drivetrain Specifications
Transmission
6 SP AUTO SEQ SPORTSHIFT
Drive Type
ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Final Drive Ratio
3.46
Fuel Specifications
Fuel Type
UNLEADED PETROL
Fuel Tank Capacity
75
Fuel Consumption (Combined)
12.2L / 100km
Weight & Measurement
Kerb Weight
2100
Gross Vehicle Weight
Not Provided
Height
1676mm
Length
4856mm
Width
1898mm
Ground Clearance
178mm
Towing Capacity
Brake:2300  Unbrake:750
Steering & Suspension
Steering Type
RACK & PINION - POWER ASSISTED
Turning Circle
11.4
Front Rim Size
7.5x18
Rear Rim Size
7.5x18
Front Tyres
235/55 R18
Rear Tyres
235/55 R18
Wheel Base
2842
Front Track
1626
Rear Track
1597
Front Brakes
DISC - VENTILATED
Rear Brakes
DISC - VENTILATED
Standard Features
Comfort
Auto Climate Control with Dual Temp Zones, Power front seat Driver/memory, Rear seat enhancement pack
Control & Handling
18 Inch Alloy Wheels, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Traction Control System
Driver
Adjustable Pedals, Cruise Control, Leather Steering Wheel, Parking Distance Control, Power Steering, Reversing Camera, Trip Computer
Entertainment
CD with 6 CD Stacker, Sound System with 7 Speakers
Exterior
Fog Lights - Front, Power Mirrors, Side Steps
Interior
Leather Upholstery, Power Windows
Safety
Dual Airbag Package, Anti-lock Braking, Head Airbags
Security
Central Locking Remote Control
Optional Features
Driver
Satellite Navigation
Exterior
Body Kit, Tow Pack
Other
Service Interval
12 months /  15,000 kms
Warranty
36 months /  100,000 kms
VIN Plate Location
8-J-23
Country of Origin
AUSTRALIA