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		<title>By: jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets face it , its a 3.5L supercharged , stock for stock N/A Falcon FG makes 420Nm of torque on RON98 while this thing makes only 400Nm on RON98.

Supercharging the 4.0L N/A FG on the same boost level as Aurion TRD would yield just over 300kW , similar to what F6 makes, and would boast over 550Nm of torque as i could estimate accordion to my calculations.

So there you go, those extra 528cc do pay off in N/A form in I6 configuration = a great TORQUE meat grinder! 

Seriously i see a lot of misinformed illiterate people comparing a stock standard de-tuned conservative FG 195kW/391Nm &quot;RON91&quot; Falcon to a force induced failure!

How does over 205kW sound like with 420Nm of torque for a N/A FG on RON98? and its not even induced.

And who said that Aurion makes 400Nm at just 1200rpm, its a load of crap, Falcon BA-BF-FG make over 360Nm from just 1500rpm! and they are N/A!

My current 4 year old BF XR6 Turbo with 65000k on clock is a car i would not change for another 3 years! And what does it make ? 480Nm from just 2000rpm or how does 430ish Nm at 1200rpm sound like? 245kW , 5kW more than TRD, yet still DE-TUNED from 280-300kW from what it was initially suppose to make?


How about a current G6E Turbo? , cars $500000 the value are no match! wake up people!

Wait you all till the FG II comes out! then we will be talking about some serious N/A power!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets face it , its a 3.5L supercharged , stock for stock N/A Falcon FG makes 420Nm of torque on RON98 while this thing makes only 400Nm on RON98.</p>
<p>Supercharging the 4.0L N/A FG on the same boost level as Aurion TRD would yield just over 300kW , similar to what F6 makes, and would boast over 550Nm of torque as i could estimate accordion to my calculations.</p>
<p>So there you go, those extra 528cc do pay off in N/A form in I6 configuration = a great TORQUE meat grinder! </p>
<p>Seriously i see a lot of misinformed illiterate people comparing a stock standard de-tuned conservative FG 195kW/391Nm &#8220;RON91&#8243; Falcon to a force induced failure!</p>
<p>How does over 205kW sound like with 420Nm of torque for a N/A FG on RON98? and its not even induced.</p>
<p>And who said that Aurion makes 400Nm at just 1200rpm, its a load of crap, Falcon BA-BF-FG make over 360Nm from just 1500rpm! and they are N/A!</p>
<p>My current 4 year old BF XR6 Turbo with 65000k on clock is a car i would not change for another 3 years! And what does it make ? 480Nm from just 2000rpm or how does 430ish Nm at 1200rpm sound like? 245kW , 5kW more than TRD, yet still DE-TUNED from 280-300kW from what it was initially suppose to make?</p>
<p>How about a current G6E Turbo? , cars $500000 the value are no match! wake up people!</p>
<p>Wait you all till the FG II comes out! then we will be talking about some serious N/A power!</p>
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		<title>By: Me.</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/6376/trd-aurion-indefinitely-withdrawn-from-sale/#comment-40632</link>
		<dc:creator>Me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This car is POS!! 

...Take that Toymotor Paulie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This car is POS!! </p>
<p>&#8230;Take that Toymotor Paulie!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/6376/trd-aurion-indefinitely-withdrawn-from-sale/#comment-30369</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>missile i would have to agree.
the interior of the TRD looks (and seems to be set up) the same as last gen camry&#039;s i have driven.
they are totally uninspiring and yes first thing i noticed was how high you do sit. the second was the ridiculous placing of the handbrake.
im sure the TRD seats are a bit better but apparently they still sit quite high. i think the way the dash rolls to just looks awkward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>missile i would have to agree.<br />
the interior of the TRD looks (and seems to be set up) the same as last gen camry&#8217;s i have driven.<br />
they are totally uninspiring and yes first thing i noticed was how high you do sit. the second was the ridiculous placing of the handbrake.<br />
im sure the TRD seats are a bit better but apparently they still sit quite high. i think the way the dash rolls to just looks awkward</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul I wouldn&#039;t read the latest Motor . The PCOTY 07.

The TRD Aurion made the grade but didn&#039;t impress. Hey at lest it got in the class!

Here is what WAZZA said &quot; Really uninspiring.The highlight is definitely the engine,but the rest of the car just doesn&#039;t inspire performance driving.You sit to high with not enough support...it just does an average job of being something its not.....a performance car is more than just extra power.A lovely family car though!&quot; end of quote.

That was a bit mean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul I wouldn&#8217;t read the latest Motor . The PCOTY 07.</p>
<p>The TRD Aurion made the grade but didn&#8217;t impress. Hey at lest it got in the class!</p>
<p>Here is what WAZZA said &#8221; Really uninspiring.The highlight is definitely the engine,but the rest of the car just doesn&#8217;t inspire performance driving.You sit to high with not enough support&#8230;it just does an average job of being something its not&#8230;..a performance car is more than just extra power.A lovely family car though!&#8221; end of quote.</p>
<p>That was a bit mean!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/6376/trd-aurion-indefinitely-withdrawn-from-sale/#comment-29986</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its back on sale now

http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2829928.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its back on sale now</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2829928.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2829928.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep Paul you would think they would ask the obvious question on the fuel but quiet often we tend to always search for the most complicated reason for a problem.

 I cant think of any other reason but that it didn&#039;t have a knock sensor ,which would be madness on a supercharged application ,or that if low octane fuel has caused it to run lean the knock sensor it did have was faulty.

Either way I think Toyota know more than their letting on and they are going to have fess up if they have to make changes to the models that are already sold. Guess all will be revealed soon enough ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep Paul you would think they would ask the obvious question on the fuel but quiet often we tend to always search for the most complicated reason for a problem.</p>
<p> I cant think of any other reason but that it didn&#8217;t have a knock sensor ,which would be madness on a supercharged application ,or that if low octane fuel has caused it to run lean the knock sensor it did have was faulty.</p>
<p>Either way I think Toyota know more than their letting on and they are going to have fess up if they have to make changes to the models that are already sold. Guess all will be revealed soon enough ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Toyota Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toyota Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm interesting, yeah maybe they used normal unleaded that sounds like a logical explanation... but youd think the would have enquired the dealer about it, although maybe they lied to save their arse, who knows. Lots of speculation. Hopefully Toyota finds out or fesses up, eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm interesting, yeah maybe they used normal unleaded that sounds like a logical explanation&#8230; but youd think the would have enquired the dealer about it, although maybe they lied to save their arse, who knows. Lots of speculation. Hopefully Toyota finds out or fesses up, eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul ,did you read this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul ,did you read this ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul you read this ? I have just found it ,released today from GO Auto.

TOYOTA Australia has yet to reveal the exact cause of a mysterious and embarrassing engine failure that led the company to withdraw its high-performance Aurion TRD from sale just weeks after it was released.

However, suppliers Prodrive, which modifies the basic Aurion for Toyota, and Eaton supercharger agent Harrop Engineering have both been cleared of responsibility.

Toyota maintains that the failure of the 3.5-litre supercharged V6 is an isolated case and has resumed production of the car, but stocks are being held back from dealers.

The company suspended sales of the TRD Aurion last week after an engine failed while being driven by a Melbourne dealer salesman.

“(TRD) are still doing their testing so they are not up to a point where they want to say anything yet,” said company spokesman Mike Breen on Monday. 

“Once they got the engine back it was already detonated so it was hard to see what was cause and what was effect, so that’s been a challenge for them.

“They’ve been trying to replicate the situation the dealer had the car in to see if they could make it happen again and they’ve been checking the engines internals with an endoscope to see if there was any foreign matter inside the engines. But so far they haven’t found anything untoward.

“They still maintain it’s an isolated case, but until we are 110 per cent sure we’re just not willing to send them out. It might seem an over-reaction, but that’s the Toyota way.”

Mr Breen said that Prodrive was “totally in the clear” after checking the 150 cars built to date at its new facility near the Toyota factory in Altona.

“It’s not a Prodrive concern. One of the reasons (the engineers) wanted to look inside the engines was to make sure that during the changing of components some foreign matter didn’t fall inside inadvertently,” he said. 

“They haven’t found anything to suggest that, and they didn’t think they would because the way things are done by Prodrive there’s no reason to think that anything could find it’s way inside the engine.

“Harrop dissected the supercharger that was on the car and checked it to make sure there were no problems with the castings or anything like that and they’re 100 per cent in the clear as well.”

Toyota had delivered only five cars to customers when the problem arose and has another 30 customer orders awaiting delivery.

Owners of the five TRD Aurions were not formally advised of the problem because Toyota is confident it is an isolated incident.

TRD launched the supercharged Aurion only last month after four years of planning and development. End of Story

Maybe some one ran normal unleaded in it and it ran lean and detonated,what you think Paul. I do find it hard to believe they cant find anything that caused it? Or does it have a knock sensor ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul you read this ? I have just found it ,released today from GO Auto.</p>
<p>TOYOTA Australia has yet to reveal the exact cause of a mysterious and embarrassing engine failure that led the company to withdraw its high-performance Aurion TRD from sale just weeks after it was released.</p>
<p>However, suppliers Prodrive, which modifies the basic Aurion for Toyota, and Eaton supercharger agent Harrop Engineering have both been cleared of responsibility.</p>
<p>Toyota maintains that the failure of the 3.5-litre supercharged V6 is an isolated case and has resumed production of the car, but stocks are being held back from dealers.</p>
<p>The company suspended sales of the TRD Aurion last week after an engine failed while being driven by a Melbourne dealer salesman.</p>
<p>“(TRD) are still doing their testing so they are not up to a point where they want to say anything yet,” said company spokesman Mike Breen on Monday. </p>
<p>“Once they got the engine back it was already detonated so it was hard to see what was cause and what was effect, so that’s been a challenge for them.</p>
<p>“They’ve been trying to replicate the situation the dealer had the car in to see if they could make it happen again and they’ve been checking the engines internals with an endoscope to see if there was any foreign matter inside the engines. But so far they haven’t found anything untoward.</p>
<p>“They still maintain it’s an isolated case, but until we are 110 per cent sure we’re just not willing to send them out. It might seem an over-reaction, but that’s the Toyota way.”</p>
<p>Mr Breen said that Prodrive was “totally in the clear” after checking the 150 cars built to date at its new facility near the Toyota factory in Altona.</p>
<p>“It’s not a Prodrive concern. One of the reasons (the engineers) wanted to look inside the engines was to make sure that during the changing of components some foreign matter didn’t fall inside inadvertently,” he said. </p>
<p>“They haven’t found anything to suggest that, and they didn’t think they would because the way things are done by Prodrive there’s no reason to think that anything could find it’s way inside the engine.</p>
<p>“Harrop dissected the supercharger that was on the car and checked it to make sure there were no problems with the castings or anything like that and they’re 100 per cent in the clear as well.”</p>
<p>Toyota had delivered only five cars to customers when the problem arose and has another 30 customer orders awaiting delivery.</p>
<p>Owners of the five TRD Aurions were not formally advised of the problem because Toyota is confident it is an isolated incident.</p>
<p>TRD launched the supercharged Aurion only last month after four years of planning and development. End of Story</p>
<p>Maybe some one ran normal unleaded in it and it ran lean and detonated,what you think Paul. I do find it hard to believe they cant find anything that caused it? Or does it have a knock sensor ?</p>
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		<title>By: Toyota Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toyota Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I would NEVER buy a dealer demonstrater... you can guarrantee they have been trashed during the breakin period where they shouldnt see anywhere near redline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I would NEVER buy a dealer demonstrater&#8230; you can guarrantee they have been trashed during the breakin period where they shouldnt see anywhere near redline.</p>
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