TRD Aurion Indefinitely Withdrawn From Sale
September 19, 2007 by Alborz Fallah
Editor’s note and update:
Since many of you are still missing the update we ran on the story, I thought I’d clear the air on this issue.
One of our readers had informed CarAdvice last week of a crash involving a silver TRD Aurion in Melbourne, this was published alongside the report from Toyota that the TRD Aurion range had been withdrawn from sale.
Although we did not make a link between the two incidents in any way, many of you assumed the crash was the reason behind the withdrawal. This is not so. As previously mentioned, the withdrawal is due to a single engine failure, which did not result in an accident.
What is clear now though, is that the withdrawal from sale of the TRD Aurion is not related to the alleged crash.
The TRD Aurion should hopefully be back on sale before the end of the month.
Alborz.
Toyota has confirmed the initially reported accident involving the TRD Aurion was not related to the issues currently plaguing the model.Mike Breen from Toyota Public Relations has confirmed that a “sales stop has been placed on the TRD Aurion.”Mr Breen says that “This action has been taken as a result of an engine failure in a Toyota dealer vehicle. “The cause is currently under investigation and is not believed to be linked to the supercharging or power output of the TRD Aurion.
Sources inside Toyota have this morning suggested that Toyota have indefinitely stopped the sale of the new TRD Aurion due to “issues” – presumably issues stemming from under the bonnet.
CarAdvice is waiting for comment from Toyota to confirm the allegation. Although we didn’t have any issues with both TRD Aurion test vehicles we have driven, Toyota will presumably go to efforts to check dealer and marketing vehicles, along with customer vehicles if requested. In the mean time read our TRD Aurion Review.
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Lol I dont think the engine failure caused the crash, I really done. As for recalls, fair enough, but Im sure you can see where Im coming from in relation to a headlight issue compared to something like fuel leaking. Both are bad, but one has, or should I say had a higher probability of resulting in a nasty incident.
paul i see your angle and yes fuel leaks sound worse than light failure.
anyway a car manufacturer that had plenty of recalls VS none would not mean i would stray away. as long as manufacturers gladly fix what is to be done and you drive away again whats the difference.
its too easy….
just drop it in on its next service and while they change the oil and demand an arm and a leg for the service hey presto….recall no more.
recall history would be and is the last thing i would consider as a factor when i purchase.
i buy what i want/like/suits as a number one factor. if the manufacturer finds they want to replace something later on at their expence i say go for it
Just read this on wheels site
“Toyota has denied the car.. was involved in a major crash..
Mr Breen said he approached the website which had reported the crash, telling its editor the report was incorrect..
We said that we considered that unprofessional, and we wanted the words removed entirely..”
So was it involved in an accident? You guys want a credible blog with the good oil.
I think this is important because making a connection between a fault and an accident implies the car’s fault caused an accident which is much worse for PR.
Liam, our original story said the car was involved in an accident, that has now been removed at the request of Toyota – we had originally simply put a strike through it.
A reader reported a crashed TRD to us last week and we are still waiting to get in contact with him for some further details and photos.
In the mean Toyota has also confirmed to us, that the crash (whether it happened or not is still not confirmed, we will have to wait to confirm that with the source) was completely and utterly unrelated, and hence the story has been altered.
Continuing on with the recall/reliability theme –
Ford have two types of recalls – ‘Safety’ and ‘Program’.
Safety are obviously the ones that are made public and have to be fixed ASAP.
Program recalls are things fixed whenever the vehicle is in for its service i.e not an immediate concern. It is also not required for Ford to tell the owner that something has been changed/replaced/fixed in their vehicle.
Examples include brake hoses in all BA and on Falcons, electric window clips in Territorys, clutch clips in Fiestas, brake light assemblies etc etc.
So to say that Ford or Holden have had less recalls than Toyota is not being totally fair. No doubt other manufacturers have ‘Program’ type recalls as well, but you would expect there to far fewer of these with Toyota than Holden or Ford.
I am not against Holden or Ford and quite like the Territory and Falcon but I have an insider at a Ford service department who says the number of problems with both those models that is never made public is staggering and they would never buy one.
Back on topic – Toyota obviously feel this problem is a major concern and good on them for having the balls to take the Aurion off the market until it is sorted, knowing full well the crap they would cop for it. Hopefully they can get it fixed quick and it won’t have a detrimental effect on sales.
Grump and co,
Here again I can see Ford and Holden get vilified needlessly when the issue here is Toyota’s testing procedures and QA. Obviously there is a serious issue to stop production otherwise why not just have a recall like Ford and Holden ?
I find it amazing how liberally a brush is cast in respect to Recalls with Ford and Holden. I owned a 2004 BA Falcon SR and had 0 issues or recalls with it.
I now own a 2007 AWD Territory SR and to date it is great, no issues…love the 6 speed.
Let’s face it. Toyota stuffed up with the TRD Aurion. Not enough testing was done before release and here is the result. I can just hear what everyone “PRO” Toyota would be yelling if it had been an FPV or HSV.
Hopless Toyota, just hopeless.
Westy :)
Westy you are correct… TOYOTA who was responsible for TRD in this model just dam well amateurish and hopeless alright. Touch of arrogance perhaps and not match R&D downunder!
What klink… arrogance and cant match R+D downunder? The TRD was developed essentialy in Australia, the Japanese component, the standard Aurion, has no issues. And tbh I say this, but people are jumping to conclusions, it might just be a simple issue of a poor quality part coupled with the fact that the vehciles in question were thrashed around tracks. But I respect peoples right to ahve a go, because its true Westy, Id be ripping into FPV or HSV. But on the flip side, there is good reason to, as they have a poor history.
Paul, can you please elaborate on this so called “poor history”?
I don’t recall HSV or FPV ever removing a car from sale due to extremely volatile engine reliability issues.
Please don’t make things up just because they sound good…it makes you look like an amateur.
>>Paul said
September 21 2007 @ 9:50 am
What klink… arrogance and cant match R+D downunder? The TRD was developed essentialy in Australia, the Japanese component
Ha I’m laughing pretty hard now.
TRD + R&D in the same breath.
I hardly call 1 graduate Engineer at TRD bolting on supercharger onto a Engine he knows nothing about High Tech Engineering.
It was inevitable that these bunch of Sales & marketing cowboys at TuRD would get it wrong.
Yeah they dont remove their vehicles… they keep selling them with a smile on their face. Mate HSV V8s would have to be among the most unreliable in the world… generally things like oil consumption aernt a great thing? Please correct me on that one. They also had piston slap issues in early production of the LS’.
Bitter & Twisted you are retarded, thats the only way to describe it. A few Aussie companies were involved in the development of the TRD, including Prodrive, who are affiliated with FPV! Regardless, alot of work has gone into the Aurion, this isnt an XR6T which is identical to the XR6 in terms of braking, styling, suspension etc. THe TRD has far better brakes, suspension, minor structural work, a supercharger obviously, larger rims, interior improvements etc.
>>Paul said
September 21 2007 @ 10:36 am
Bitter & Twisted you are retarded, thats the only way to describe it. A few Aussie companies were involved in the development of the TRD, including Prodrive, who are affiliated with FPV!
The defense of the weak, make a personal attack.
Actually Prodrive build the TuRD. They did no Engineering.
I’m talking about the engine which has no development other than a Bolt on Supercharger, & ECU remap, & a fancy new cover.
What more is there to do on the engine may I ask? You are aware the Aurion engine is a variant of the 230kw 380Nm direction injection unit, in the top 10 of wards engine of the year, seen in the Lexus… I wouldnt think the power being developed is the issue here. Although I would say a supercharger places different stresses on the engine yes, but still.
>>Paul said
September 21 2007 @ 11:15 am
I wouldnt think the power being developed is the issue here.
I disagree, I think the TuRD’s crude modification of the base Engine has gone beyond one of the design limits. Engines don’t throw rods/piston unless something major is wrong.
What more is there to do on the engine may I ask?
Lots, different pistons, compression ratios, connecting rods are good starting points when modifying an engine.
I should add that the 230kW DI version might be the same family (Just like Prado/Hilux), but that doesnt’ mean they share pistons/connecting rods.
Paul,
Yeh those are amazing stats from that engine. The STANDARD inline 6 from Ford delivers more torque out of the box. Admittedly less power(ie no blower though). Strap a low psi Turbo to it and look at the result. 240kW+ and almost 500nm of torque. That engine is such an engineering marvel that Toyota and it can obviously take so much more power without re-engineering the engine……funny really. If it allegedly can’t handle that small increase in power it really does have issues.
But let’s wait and see what the issues really are until we cast final judgement.
Westy
Yes I agree, but if it does share the same internals as the direct injection, then honestly I see no reason for why they would do any additional work in that department, because it is capable of handling the power of the TRD.
Westy… I wasnt stating figure trying to make it look great. But the Inline 6 is also a 4L not 3.5L and inline… so it can handle abit more torque. Regardless, I would still back a Toyota engine to withstand something like an XR6T… we must remember these issue with TRD are linked to a ‘dealer vehicle’ which supposedly saw alot of the track and no doubt wasnt broken in properly. And at the end of the day, its 1 vehicle (although I heard it might have been 2) out of MANY around Toyota dealerships in Australia and a few in private buyers hands.
>>Paul said
September 21 2007 @ 11:38 am
Yes I agree,
Thank you.
its 1 vehicle (although I heard it might have been 2) out of MANY around Toyota dealerships in Australia and a few in private buyers hands.
Given that they were planning on about 500/year.
Its been on sale about 1 month.
That make it 2 Failures for 40 vehicles.
or 5% explosion rate. (Allegedly)
Yes….. but thats not considering variables such as the fact that out of those 40 vehicles, many of them have been thrashed around tracks during their break in period… not to mention it could just be something else! Very wishful your use of stats.
Bitter & Twisted, there’s 150 demo/promo cars out there, plus a “handful” in private sales, which probably indicates that there are about 160-170 TRD’s in total. But I think it’s probably something that they assumed would be OK and didn’t check, so have to now go back and reconsider.
Yes Paul, fuel leaks are bad news. CAMRY was subject to recall for fuel leak.
Paul,
The inline 6 can handle the torque by design not because of capacity. Remember the I6 variants range from stock standard 190kw 380+nm to Typhoon (of which the new one for 2008 is reckoned to have 300kW and 550+ nm) and I doubt the Toyo would handle those power numbers with exploding. That’s a side issue anyways.
The thing is these days generally you shouldn’t have to worry about engines being run in as they have tolerances built in and are thrashed under testing conditions so they can withstand what some numnut does when test driving.
Still I will wait until I hear what the dilemma is before casting my final comments.
Westy.
Im not sure about your ‘tolerances built in’, the whole point if break in, no matter what the design, is that they use a poor quality oil and it gives all the parts time to wear in. If your thrashing it during this stage, it isnt good.
As for I6, yes I know it has alot to do with design, balance, but dissplacement also helps. In fact on a disaplacement basis:
Falcon
95Nm per L
Aurion
94.29Nm per L
I think thats calculated right. So yeah not a huge difference. Eitherway I dont care about that… the issue at hands is the TRD recall.
Westy – what hard, undisputed evidance have you got to support your claim that the TRD Aurion can not support that much power ?? None at all so stop with the crap.
There has been literally hundreds of FPV/HSV that have broken down over the years for many differant and varing reasons.
Unlike Holden, Toyota wants to ensure a qualiy product to the customer and have taken it upon themselves to investigate the root cause of the indident. Unlike some other manufactuers i can name, Toyota takes a lot of pride in thier engineering and do not look upon failures light heartedly of which is why they have the earn’t themsleves the solid reputation they enjoy today.
Here is a great example of which defines a company of PRIDE and one that DOESN’T GIVE A SH*T.
When the GEN3 was released it became apparent the engine had many persistant flaws of which caused many owners alot of grieve. The GEN3 was/is notoriuos for hefty oil consumption, pistons slapping issues and even reported complete failings with very little KM’s on the ODO. Infact, there were even examples that were identified were some pistons were void of some rings.
But, despite the common isues that affected hundreds of examples – did Holden ever take it upon themselves to STOP SALE until the issues were correctly identified and fixed… NO – NO THEY DID NOT !!
Instead, Holden just done what they have done for generations – push ‘em out the door as quickly as possible.
Not Toyota – there maybe (or maybe not) be an issue but to be sure either way, they do what they do best and investigate before going any further.
That is the differance between a good company and a crummy one.
Bitter and Twisted – you are another clown that has absolutely no evidance what-so-ever to be passing unfounded crap that you are.
What sort of an idiot are you going to feel like if Toyota identifies a one of issue and the remainder serve fault free.
A fool, that is how you will be looked upon by people like myself.
A why do cars like FPV/HSV that have so much more grunt can barely beat the TRD Aurion by a few puffs of a second. Piss poor to me.
Here is a 400NM Front Wheeler giving so called Big Grunty Rear Wheelers are far crack of the whip. The Aurion was even able to maintain pace in the ladened uphill dash of which all the extra torque of the Falcon should have beaten it comfortably but it barely opened half a second on it.
Dingo,
Stop being a baby. Toyota have a problem and we are all waiting to hear what it is. Because you like Toyota and your precious brand has a problem don’t lash out at me. Stop your own nattering. Literally hundreds of FPV’s have broken down have they…and you have a source of this information from where ? You know all the owners personally ?? Come on give me a break.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and the TRD is a poor example of a sports car. Unfortunately if FWD was a performance way to go then I am sure F1 would be using FWD if it is sooooo good. The little torque steery buzz box is out of it’s league. Stop being defensive as it is well short of it’s intended mark and CAN’T match an FPV Typhoon. Not even close. So back to the drawing board bud.
400nm you say….geez so scary that is……I could walk faster.
Westy :)
Can someone confirm that if this cars engine seized in gear then you would have no power assisted brakes or any steering due to to the wheels being locked cause its FWD ? Wouldn’t this then cause a stack ?
Hey Missile, hope well today! You were correct about other thread last night; mate talk about cracking up with tears (laughter). Well it is the best medicine and I overdosed on it! HA HA
WESTY, do agree about Toyota with TRD……. Paul and his beloved Toyota will give you a spin on that! I say flunked with Honours and they look stupid as they went on about it before release! Mr Toyota and his bean counters in Japan would be livid! Sure Mr Bean must of been on R&D of the souped up FWD wolf in girls clothing
dingo and others like him
mate all this proves is toyota are only human too and not invincible as most of you toyota lovers like to think. thats all this argument is about at the end of the day.
the fact that they have removed them from sale pretty much says it is a design flaw or something needs to be strengthend up. if it were simple they would have been able to fix it on the run.
PS. paul stop breaking down motor stats into “per L” as you can not buy a motor by the litre. it proves nothing but the extremes you will go to to clutch at straws. whether you like it or not the falcon has 50NM more torque. dont try to manipulate it, it is what you get
>>Dingo said
September 21 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Bitter and Twisted – you are another clown that has absolutely no evidance what-so-ever to be passing unfounded crap that you are.
Once again, I point out that personal insults are the defence of the weak. Don’t bother posting if you just want to defend your beloved Corolla.
Evidence: Wheels Magazine & Toyota media Release both talk about what work was done to the engine.
As for the other info, When Companies have big problems like this is not hard to find out down at the local pubs in Port Melbourne (After a few Ales!!)
Andrew.M… it proves everything, you have someone saying the I6 has sooooo much torque yet its quote obvious that it doenst have heaps more torque then other engines.
As for Westy and Klink agreeing with him… well it shows how you people have no idea what you are talking about. For starters you say that it is a poor example of a performance vehicle, well I would suggest that a car which cant even withstand a handfull of laps around a track without fluids overheating and severe break fade, HSVs, is a POOR PERFORMANCE VEHICLE. The TRD Aurion might not be the fastest to 100 and it might not be the fastest around a track… but at the end of the day it offers a great compromise on all these things along with the quality, refinement and relaibility (1 car doesnt ruin many years of this) that only toyota can offer. And at the end of the day Westy you use the argument that RWD is best becaue F1 use them, FFS that is the dumbest argument ever… AWD is the best…. you are aware that racing cars have other issues to consider such as weight!?
Anyway for all those TRD haters, just look at these image of the TRD, sex on wheels… anyone who mentions this sh*t about it look worse then a regular Aurion sportivo has their head up their arse!
http://www.carsales.com.au/use.....Sort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|0&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1000&seot=0&__Qpb=true&Region=All%20Regions&Make=TRD&R=1708739&RegionID=&__sid=11533ADB3E5B&state_id=0&trecs=2
Paul,
Again remind me much torque the performance version of the I6 has please. Remind me how much torque the Typhoon has…..is it like 550nm ??? I can’t remember. The Aurion purports to be a performance version of it’s v6 and gets to 400nm. Let’s do those numbers again.
Typhoon 4L = 137.5 nm / L
TRD Aurion 3.5L = 114.3 nm / L
To match the Typhoon the TRD needs to have 481 nm.
Yes I think I know which one is waaaaaaaaay ahead in the torque/performance stakes and is that way by design. It can handle the torque. Plain and simple.
You do realise that the torque you have is what you use when getting a car off the line ????
You break it down to per litre but that makes no difference to a car. It doesn’t know that. It just uses what it has. The base Toyota has less. Simple really. I have researched some similar capacity V6’s to get the low down on torque figures. Here are a couple I have found.
Landrover Discovery 4L V6
160kW@4500rpm. Max Torque:, 360Nm@3000rpm
Ford Ranger 4L V6
154 kW 323 Nm of torque
Toyota Prado 4L V6
173kW 362Nm
These are just some I found quickly. As you can see, same displacement and less torque. So I guess I know which is the better engine for torque per litre by breaking it down to your numbers. The fact is the I6 does have more torque to use fullstop and that’s the point.
Paul you’re so funny about the F1 stuff. I am aware there are other issues….like power, weight, aerodynamics. What’s the premier motor racing category in the world today for normally aspirated cars…..let me think……aaaaaah yes last time I saw it was in fact Formula 1. Now, do they have AWD???
The definitely don’t have FWD as that would just be dumb.
Westy :)
WESTY… ever watched the movie ‘The Castle’. Remember one of the brothers in it, he was an ideas man. PAUL IS LIKE THAT MIXED WITH TRUCKLOADS OF THEORY AND YET TO STAND ON HIS FEET REALLY – HE PUTS UP A GREAT READ MOST TIMES AND PEOPLE GET RIGHT UP HIM REAL QUICK BUT HE IS GREAT AND AT TIMES IS FINE – MOST TIMES WELL…. YOU KNOW ?0*%#:”
Lol mentioing the Typhoon, I dont think Toyota have a competitor for the Typhoon, so thats not a fair comparison. Torque aside (because the fact that the TRD maintained its gap in acceleration fully loaded against the competition in drives test between them suggests it doenst have any problems), what about the attack you put on the Aurion about it not being a ’sports car’? Tbh I agree, but EITHER ARE HSVs or FPVs! When they cant even make a handfull of laps around a race track it really brings their crediblity into question. Im not sure if the TRD has been put under the same conditions yet, but it has seen some track work, to date no really issues of overheating fluids, in fact its brake have been commended along with its sharp turn in and other positive handling characteristics. I think some people just write this car off because it is FWD, but Ive shown in other areas with an article comparing them, FWD can hold their own around a track.
Paul,
You are good value. Like the banter.
Which of the following real “SPORTS CARS” are fwd.
BMW
MERCEDES
PORSCHE
LAMBO
AUDI
FERRARI
etc etc etc you pick the models as there are many.
I can’t list one in there. Of course there are many more sports cars but listing them all would be impossible.
For you crack about track work I certainly don’t agree. Do you watch any motorsport at all ?? Check out SBS on weekends and you will see FPVs/HSVs glady racing around against many other makes. Funnily enough they don’t seem to overheat or have brake problems as you report. Not sure where you get that information from and if it is even current. Certainly would like to know your source for that one.
In all honesty TRD have certainly got some power out of that V6 with a little help from the blower but I don’t think I would like to be tip toeing it around a wet track or road for that matter. Give me RWD with TC any day. I think you need to go for a test drive in a FPV Typhoon to get a true appreciation of what a 6 cylinder performance car should be like.
Cheers,
WESTY
Guys,
Trying to explain anything technical to Paul is like flogging a dead horse – it is simply not going to work. THE END.
No matter how HARD you try, the poor guy just doesn’t have the grey matter required to understand a lot of the things that are explained to him.
It’s not his fault though I guess. (unless he uses drugs and that’s what has made him like he is today)
Paul ive got you figured out… listen……..
so mum or dad either bought or told you which first car to buy (your camry) and because of that you think it or anything related to it is the be all and end all of cars.
am i right?
paul, even if you break down your per litre rubbish at least the falcon still holds an edge. i have never seen anybody view such stats in such a ridiculous manner before.
if you go by that then im assuming you would agree that the falcon is far more fuel efficient and much better for the environment.
bottom line the standard falcon HAS 50nm more torque than the base aurion and the F6 has 150nm more than TRD. dont try to twist it because YOU BUY A CAR AS A WHOLE PACKAGE GET IT YET?
if you go to look at an aurion and find that you want more torque then you look at a falcon the falcon simply has 50nm more. i know sales people are great at speaking rubbish but i bet they couldnt even tell my grandmother that the falcon doesnt have a bigger torque advantage
Andrew.M, no you dont have me figured out… yes the Camry is my first car, but it isnt the be all and end all. Ive drivne a few cars in my short time on this earth, so Im not just someone who has 0 experience. In fact my next car wont be a Camry or an Aurion, even doubtful it will be a Toyota… given their lack of performance options (TRD Corolla WOULD change things!).
As for the rest, yes at the end of the day they have more torque. My point is a simple one, it isnt all that huge in comparison between an Aurion and a Falcon. You can consider it on a L basis because torque has a relationship with dissplacement. Regardless yes its about packages, imo as an overall package the TRD is ahead of FPV and HSV. Thats just my opinion. I dont want muscle, I want something with alittle refinement and style, which the TRD offers.
Paul… if you believe it becomes true! Gee comparing a Aurion with Ford Falcon… well now I have had a HUUUUUGE laugh and dont know what you smoke but geepers must be some good solid shit!
Umm Im confused, its wrong to compare an Aurion with a Falcon? Maybe you should stop smoking Klink?
PAUL…reality look at how you are in others eyes as you are really funny. Mate I do not smoke, but gee mate you sure create massive laughter for many and they giving you a caning!
Yes a caning…. despite showing how the I6 simply doesnt have that much extra torque or because an F1 is RWD doesnt means its the best or FWD can still get around a track reasonably quick or TRD may not be a sports car but it certainly puts supposed performance vehicles to shame which suffer from brake fade and overheating fluids etc. Im the one doing all the laughing.
paul,
ok ill go with the way you think for a bit (which i think is absolutely ridiculous)
so do you agree that the falcon is far more fuel economical and much better for the environment than the aurion?
well because those things are related to displacement too
Paul, mate read the comments wherever you frequent as you have some out there views and its great reading threads as comments around you says you must be smoking some serious stuff like Cheech Chong. No point getting shitty; you create it and then fall back into it and do really stink even more and then you have the weirdo bizarre thinking by suggesting you comments carry real weight. Hmmmm, Yes, I see, Oh yeah, I have come across this phenomenon before……
OK… lets look at it from your viewpoint as silly as that somehow is! The Hyundai Getz doesnt really lack that much torque compared to a Mazda 3 and it offers bang for your bucks. Or brake fade and overheating fluids you allege, well that is amazing too so much so I wont even comment.
Andrew.M… I dont know the emissions of the two, so I cant comment. In terms of fuel efficiency, as for its size, yes it would be more fuel efficient as its 4L compared to 3.5L while having comparable fuel efficiency. As an engine however, then I wouldnt be sure, as you would consider its fuel efficiency compared to the power it can produce… in which case I dont know. Anyway the whole point I was making about torque, or at least I meant to orignally make, is that the Aurions engine in terms of its output is not that far behind the Falcon, the stats would indicate this. Obviously in reality the Falcon has more torque, but when it comes to efficiency, producing the most torque out of the size engine you have… the Aurion is not far behind the Falcon. When you get to the Typhoon as you all love to mention, well I dont know… what boost is that runnning? Im sure I could get 500Nm out of a TRD, wouldnt last very long though, its my understanding they are running relatively low boost on the TRD and have achieved 240kw and 400Nm… not all that bad.
Klink… no now your being stupid. All Im going to say is RWD is better because F1 uses them, that is what people have been saying here, the people that are getting support. Although Id go one step further into stupidity and say RWD is better because motorbikes are RWD. Forget any common sense, like the engine is actually situated closer to the rear wheels and weight is a huge issue in racing cars… they are RWD… it must be better! Oh but then I will quote all the manufacturers are RWD (Like Audi and Lambos… which actually have predominantly AWD performance cars), forgetting that they usually use mid-engine and rear engine, so its really stupid comparing these to a front engine RWD Ford and Holden, they handle completely different. But hey, Im crazy, these are ‘bizarre’ concepts to grasp. Maybe in your little Ford and Holden worlds… but not in reality.
Same stuff dished up different name, hmmmmm yes that is Paul morphing into Toyota Paul…Aah yes, I see, mmmm (pause) interesting, I see! Iam not a ONE SLAB SIDED SUPPORTER LIKE YOU AND YES I DO LIKE FORD, BUT NOT AT EXPENSE OF OTHERS EG: AURION. Yes, the sweet smell of truth without weird science thrown into the equations Paul!
What next name Paul… PAUL PUP
Mate there is a reason why my name has changed, I would have thought its obvious… someone else is using ‘Paul’ now. Funny you mention it though, ‘Roberto’.
Paul,
Your entire post which states that people were using “F1 is RWD so it is better” really shows just how much you missed the point that many were trying to explain to you.
They were using F1 is RWD as the EVIDENCE to backup their PHYSICS (yes, REAL WORLD NUMBERS). They were not using it as an ARGUMENT!!
This is where your lack of understanding lies! You read, and before you actually digest what is written, you simply shoot off the hip with your same old tired (and incorrect!) information.
Reading your last post mocking everything saying “F1 is RWD so it must be better, motorbikes are RWD so it must be better” really shows that you don’t have a solid argument so sarcasm now becomes your best friend. It’s not needed nor required here.
Unfortunately you are living in you lur little Toyota land of FWD and greatness… FWD is better you say! In reality??? NOPE!!
No it doesnt show that, it shows that Ive given up. How the f*ck does F1 being RWD when the engine ISNT up front like a Falcon or Commodore or has a massive wing to keep the rear down unlike a Falcon r Commodore shows the physics. Andrew.M in another article highlighted the best examples, at the drag strip, mentioing Formula 1 is just ridiculous, which was my point when mentioning how motorbikes are RWD. Its evidence of nothing.
PAUL…I would of thought it was obvious why my name change as someone else was using Roberto sometimes (this was they cant get my name)!