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VACC says insurers treatment of motorists ‘unethical & unfair’

By Matt Brogan |

Victorian peak automotive industry body, the VACC, has called for an end to motor vehicle insurance policies it claims are unethical and unfair.

Siding with Channel Seven’s ‘Today Tonight’ program (which aired last night), the VACC says that some insurance companies were increasingly diverting motorists away from the repairer they choose to the insurance company’s preferred repairer and were quoting from photographs instead of personally inspecting damaged vehicles.

The VACC also found that some insurers pressured their preferred repairers to cut corners and skimp on the use of genuine parts meaning, in some instances, that substandard repairs were made to fully insured vehicles.

It was also alleged that some insurance companies offered cash settlements to motorists that do not cover the full cost of repairs or write-off value.

“We have had a gutful of the treatment dished out to repairers and motorists by the insurers,” VACC Executive Director, Mr David Purchase, said.

“Increasingly, insurance companies are directing motorists towards their preferred repairer network. Their actions deny motorists’ control and freedom of choice.

“Insurers are unfairly, unreasonably, and increasingly arbitrarily, reducing quotes so low that the repairer cannot repair the vehicle properly. As a consequence, we have poorly repaired, devalued and, potentially, unsafe vehicles out on the roads.

“It is not as if insurance companies need to screw us to the floor boards in order to survive. They are making enormous profits. They are supposed to be providing a service, but once a customer signs the policy papers, the insurance company controls the process. We want Government to bring the insurance companies back into line.

“Insurers are good at asking consumers’ questions and insisting on truthful answers. We should expect honesty from them in return. It is not good enough to have a clause buried in the small print of the ‘product disclosure statement’ about choice of repairer. It needs to be clearly identified and open for discussion from the outset.

“VACC calls on the State Government to pass legislation that requires a consumer is told about the choice of repairer provisions being offered in a comprehensive car insurance policy.

“And VACC recommends all motorists ask their insurance company the following question, ‘can I choose the repairer I want?’.”


 
  • ChopstaR87

    here we go… another beat up of the insurance company because people dont read the policies that are sent out to them…

    generally the cheaper insurers are going to be the one that will not allow you to use your own repairer because they can not control the costs as repairs as much thru your repairs then theirs. and really its the repairs fault because what the first thing that they ask you when you take your car for repairs – this going thru insurance??? if your answer is YES then the Quote will be generally will be larger then what it will be if you were going to do the job privately… and generally the companies that pad their jobs are the ones that are whinging because they are not getting the worj from the insurance company – where the ones who are linked with the insurance companies will not pad th claim as much as they know they will be getting a good flow of work on a regular basis from the insurance so there is no need.

    Really it comes down to what you want and what you are willing to pay for.

    AAMI – Cheap / budget Insurer – they choose your repairer
    Suncorp/GIO – More of a Premium insurer an can be $$$ but you get the choice of the repairer!

    SO if it really matters to you that you use a particular repairer be prepared to pay the extra for the benifit! Just like Adding a Hire Car option on a policy or whatever!

    • Andrew M

      I cant believe you got thumbs down for spreading the reality

      • ChopstaR87

        I know… but people dont like to blame themselves for these type of things… its a lot easier to blame the big mean insurance company… its about you get what you pay for! and its not the insurance company fault that you dont read your policies, they tell you to read it before paying for the policy to make sure you are happy with what u are paying for! if you dont read it… its ur fault! sorry!

    • jojo

      Yep…The first question I normally ask when shopping around is “Do I have achoice of my preffered repairer” and if they dont then the call stops their.

      I’ve seen workmates of mine get caught out with shonky repairers after an accident because ‘Habib Bros” won the tender and are solely price driven.

      Unfortunately most people wouldnt know any better until after an accident.

  • john keer

    I just had a look at my motor policy PDS…I couldn’t find any ‘fine print’…everything was printed in the same size.
    With every insurance policy you buy, you have a ‘cooling off’ period…up to one month, during which you are expected to actually READ the PDS and make sure the product is right for you.

    To the whining woman on TV last night who said she wouldn’t have bought the AAMI policy if she’d known she couldn’t choose her repairer:
    …if you’d read your PDS, as you are supposed to, during your cooling off period, you WOULD have known…so, you have no-one to blame but yourself.

  • http://aim.vehicle.solutions@hotmail.com AIM VEHICLE SOLUTIONS

    Depends which side of the fence, one is commenting from. People’s safety is being compromised by insurance companies not allowing repairers to rectify smash repair work with a quote fulfilling every aspect of repair. That is not acceptable, and it does not matter whether a policy is cheap or expensive. Every person that drives a vehicle and chooses to insure their cars has a right to have smash repair work done, to a high safety standard. Ignorant people do not understand that smash repair shops must give a warranty to car owners when vehicles leave their premises, it is in everyone’s interests that these vehicles are being repaired with quotes not being “cut” to the bottom dollar. When this occurs, panel shops cut corners, to make ends meet financially and the safety of vehicles is being compromised. Panel Shops that do not compromise on their quality are, I can assure you, very quickly starved of work from insurance companies to keep them in line. AAMI & IAG have 75% of the market. Its not just about money, people’s lives are at risk, its about time the Smash Repair Industry collectively stood up and blew the whistle on AAMI and their bully-boy antics, they need to behave, stop breaking the law and stop being greedy. Most car owners have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. It was not that long ago that AAMI was importing cheap and nasty spare parts from China, and panel shops affiliated with AAMI were forced to use these cheap spare parts on vehicles. REMEMBER THE STICKERS?DO NOT INSURE WITH AAMI.. These car owners were not aware that their vehicles did not have genuine parts and ignorantly were driving around in ticking timb bombs. It is an abomination that AAMI, has been allowed to monopolise the smash repair industry and also the unsuspecting people who make claims. I will reiterate again, that most people have no idea,(irrespective of whether policies are expensive or cheap) AAMI breaks the Law every day, this is not an exagerration, and anyone who is affiliated with AAMI is aware of this. The only reason the Smash Repair industry is not talking is because they depend on their portion of AAMI market to continue to run their businesses. If you dare to speak out, you are shut down immediately. This has been witnessed first-hand by many panel shop owners. Kudos to David Purchase, Executive Director Chamber of Commerce, and Brad Promborg from Lustre Panels for speaking out. These “steering” issues must be addressed by the State Government and changes must be overseen so that legislation is implemented to bring change to the Industry, and make these bullies stick to the Law for everyone’s benefit. Anyone who supports the abovementioned insurance companies is affiliated in some way, and is not looking at the issues that are at hand. AAMI net profit last financial year was $217million dollars, hello???? CHANGES ARE GOING TO HAPPEN to benefit all unsuspecting policy holders and to the Smash Repair Industry.

    • dan

      AAMI and IAG have 75% of the insurace market…This proves you have no idea what you are talking about….what a ramble!

      • ChopstaR87

        its actually suncorp and IAG – Suncorp owns AAMI, as well as Shannons,just car, Gio, APIA.. and other brands as well but they are the major ones!

  • tekkyy

    I’ve always wondered what happens to warranty

    wonder when would be see headlines like “NRMA voids Toyota warranty”, “AAMI declares war on Holden”…

    • http://aim.vehicle.solutions@hotmail.com AIM VEHICLE SOLUTIONS

      Ofcourse the insurance companies think that the repairers must give lifetime warranty on their work, but is that viable? AAMI gets their way by bullying, coercion, lawyers and one sided contracts…sign or we will black ban you)..Insurance companies like AAMI are more focused on control of costs, driven by a need to improve shareholder returns and contain premium levels to attract and retain customers, Many repairers feel exposed to the major insurers’ Market Power. This in turn affects customer satisfaction in every facet. When the industry-wide code comes into effect, the benefits will be for the whole community and it will definitely outweigh the costs. If a code cannot be agreed upon with insurers and repairers then a code will be mandated. There has never been fair trading and transparency, but this will be changed.

      • dan

        You have been listening to way too much talk back radio

        • ChopstaR87

          oh and its the insurance company that backs the life time warranties, not the repairers and again this is why insurance companies like to use their own repairers as they are happy with the quality their work… and if they are not happy to trust your repairer u have choosen this is why they Cash settle, because if a claim is cash settled but law they do not been to provide warrenty and its between u and ur repairer! but if they authorize the repairs with your chosen repairer and the insurer pays the repairer directly the insurance company has to provide the Life time warranty!

  • http://aim.vehicle.solutions@hotmail.com AIM VEHICLE SOLUTIONS

    PS Everyone has a right to choose a repairer of their choice, when their vehicle is damaged. Just because “joe blow” is a recommended repairer does not mean that your vehicle is repaired to a safe and acceptable standard. Most of the repairers that work for these insurance companies don’t even have relevant qualifications. But ofcourse AAMI couldn’t care less. The only thing that AAMI and IAG are concerned with, is the bottom dollar. Low Quotes, more Profit! Lets not forget the desk-top assessing, site unseen! Unreal! Since when was this acceptable business practice? There will be more “whistle blowers” as this gathers momentum, watch this space…

    • ChopstaR87

      Not if you take out a policy that states that you dont have a choice under your policy – when you pay your policy its means that you fully agreed and are aware of the poilicy conditions – which is a legal binding contract that you have agreed to… read the PDS, Make sure you are happy with what u are paying for, then pay ur insurance premium!

  • Bezza

    I know that it is common practice amongst SOME repairers to quote the repair with official parts and then to fit parts from a wrecker instead. The official parts are ordered, delivered and then returned the next day for a credit.

    This is a blight on the parts industry as well as for consumers who assume they have genunine new parts because that was what was on the quote.

    The “Preferred Repairer” approach seems to lead to these kinds of tactics.

  • Aleks

    Name and shame these pieces of crap, so we can avoid them. I have generally found AAMI to be excellent. Very little questions and full payouts. I’ve heard bad things about ALLIANZ.

    • dan

      Cant go past Allianz. Mate got his house and car damaged in hte recent hail storms in Melbourne and he reckons he will never insure again with any one else.

  • Insider John

    Please be aware that Suncorp own and operate the following insurance companies, and have done so for the past three years:
    AAMI, GIO, Shannons, Just Car Insurance, Vero, Bingle, Australian Pensioners Insurance Agency and Suncorp’s own personal insurance.

    As others have said, you simply need to know what you are getting yourself into.

    If you call AAMI and ask for a quote on car insurance, they TELL you that you do not get choice of repairer. If you don’t listen and don’t read your paperwork, who is to blame except yourself?

    It is required that motor insurance companies use brand new OEM parts in all vehicles under manufacturers warranty. Thus no warranty can be voided.

    Furthermore, all major insurance companies (including AAMI) now offer a lifetime guarantee on all repairs they carry out. If you have problems down the track with repairs that are unsafe or have not been carried out correctly, they must be fixed at no cost by the company.

    I have personal experience on many occasions of insurance companies having sent cars to a different panel shop because repairs were not carried out correctly the first time. And covering the cost of this rectification entirely.

    And an insurer will only cash settle with a customer when parts are not available for a particular car AND the customer requests a cash settlment.

  • Karl

    This is why I only have third party!
    All I can recommend is that people check out product review websites before they sign up to a contract. This will give you a better idea of who delivers decent service. Mind you, they’re all pretty bad.

  • Will

    I have insured with RACV for the last 25 years. Over the last five years it has become increasingly obvious with the cost is that liability is spread rather than viewing an individual driving record. Caveat emptor.

    • Andrew M

      Of course Liablity is spread, thats the point of insurance companies. Everyone shares the risk.
      How can an individual be assesed properly???
      Just because you may not have had a claim in the last 25 yrs, doesnt mean you wont tomorrow, it also doesnt mean you should get free insurance.

      Its all about risk taking, and if you are prepared to bare the full risk yourself, then you wont be needing insurance.

      Individual driving record is assesed to a point where the rating system is used.
      That puts you in the high risk, or low risk category. To define beyond that is near impossible.

      Its all based on statistics much like putting your money on the horses.

      My public liability insurance went up 15% on last years premium, and it is just accepted that every other silly bugger has caused this.
      If they have a spike in numbers of claims, they need to increase premiums….simple.
      They cant just wack joe blows premium up 1mill because he made a claim, its always been about sharing the risk

      • Nightshifter

        Andrew M. May be not 1 mill but NRMA at least certainly does increase your premium based on the number and type of claims you have made in the past 5 years. I’d expect most other insurers to do the same.

        Looking at the online calc. It seems that AAMI actually isn’t any cheaper compared with NRMA. NRMA also lets you choose your own repairer.

        • Talk then think

          Be a younger driver and stay with NRMA it will cost you 2 months work (F-T uni student btw). I have recently gone with AAMI as the quote from NRMA was a bit more than $2000 and excess was around $700.

      • Nightshifter

        “Just because you may not have had a claim in the last 25 yrs, doesnt mean you wont tomorrow”

        True but surely the chances of having a claim the coming year will be much lower than someone who has had a claim every other year.

        • Reckless1

          Wrong. You are just as likely to have a claim as anyone else.

          I know. No car insurance claim for 40 years, as of Friday 5th March.

          On Saturday 6th March, hail damaged both my vehicles, and now I have 2 total losses.

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  • http://aim.vehicle.solutions@hotmail.com AIM VEHICLE SOLUTIONS

    Divergent opinions are great! So long as they are unbiased.. I suspect that there are a large proportion of insurance employees and affiliates contributing to these chats…., “insider John” and “chopstar87″ thank you for your enlightening information..

    • ChopstaR87

      Ahh… i am a regular on this website and comment all different types of posts… it just annoys me that everyone likes to blame everyone else when they dont understand something and are to lazy to research what they are buying..

  • notnow

    Aim vehicle you are spot on. I don’t think anyone has any idea how dictated & biased the smash repair industry is. It is probably the only trade that is treated so badly & I just laugh at the opinions stated by these people who have no idea. Why do you think the insurers have there own repairers, because they are under the thumb of the insurance company & pitted against every other repairer preferred or not, to meet cost criteria. It has nothing to do with the quality of repair it is the size & capacity & in some cases who’s back pocket you are in. The insurance company has the right to have a preferred repairer but they do not have the right to enforce on customers where they can & can’t go. There is also a big difference between a backyard shop & a properly fitted out repair shop whether it is preferred or not. To those idiots out there do the math insurance companies pay out $25 to $30 an hour out of that a repairer has to cover there overheads, rent, staff, materials etc. Those prices go up but the rate they get paid from insurance companies don’t, meanwhile the majority of them suffer in silence & try to do quality repairs for peanuts & that is across the board whether they are preferred or not and all the while the consumer has no idea. Why don’t they stand up? because they would get shut down Would most people be able to pick up a bad repair? I think not. There is no doubt that the industry needs reform and allow all the repairers the ability to do there jobs properly, that would benefit the community as a whole and release the noose that the insurance companies have around the repairers & consumers necks.

  • ChopstaR87

    “The insurance company has the right to have a preferred repairer but they do not have the right to enforce on customers where they can & can’t go.” Quoted from Notnow

    Well yes they can if it is stated in the PDS that the Costumer has agreed to when they have paid the Policy even thou the costumer was to lazy to read it.. the PDS is a Legal binding contract!! and they tell you this when u purchase the policy – Read the PDS so you are aware of the Terms and conditions of the Policy!

    • notnow

      At the end of the day most informed & educated people in anything you do in life cheapest is not always the best & I can tell you now AAMI is cheap & nasty & NRMA especially in QLD is cheap & nasty.

      My advice is don’t insure with either of them & generally you should have nothing to worry about. Most quality repairers won’t touch either of them ( I am certainly not saying that all AAMI & NRMA repairers are bad) You will find that those of them who are quality repairers & have danced with these devils wish they hadn’t and are now stuck.

      Everyone in the industry knows the truth, it is the disillusioned & misinformed who work at insurance companies(remember you are a number) & clutch onto PDS’s,wave them in peoples faces. I know if I read every single PDS that I needed to in life, I would never get to work.

      Don’t be naive & believe that the insurance companies have your best interests at heart. They are purely out to make a profit like any business out there but use unscrupulous methods. In the defense of the insurance companies out there who are fair my picks would be Allianz, Comminsure, QBE, Swann, & RACQ.

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    It is unethical BUT it is fair because some motorists are idots!

  • AIM VEHICLE SOLUTIONS

    SMASH REPAIR INDUSTRY, STAND UP AND BE HEARD