Car Advice

Fast is Safe in Germany

By Anthony Crawford |

It seems that the Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) of New South Wales just doesn’t get it when it comes to the principal causes of driver related deaths on our less than perfect roads. At least, that’s according to an article in last Friday’s Sydney Morning Herald.

The blame game, played enthusiastically by the RTA, is summed up in the all too familiar words from one of their spokespersons.

“Speed remains a major factor in crashes throughout NSW, with 40 per cent of fatalities speed related”.

As we have come to expect from the rhetorical folks at the RTA, there is not a single mention of the fact that the poorly maintained roads in this state, may have been a contributing factor in many of these tragic deaths.

Moreover we have far too many people behind the wheel in this country, who seem utterly oblivious to their fellow drivers and as a result, are dangerously unpredictable and incredibly frustrating.

Let’s take the first issue, roads. I thought they had to be evenly surfaced structures rather than the all too familiar convex shaped roads that seem to form after the countless re-surfaces on the same stretch of road.

And if it should rain cats and dogs on this fresh piece of tarmac, then you might want to avoid driving on it, as the road is just as likely to crumble away under you. Worse still, it may also be littered with nasty little potholes, which would then require another Sunday night resurface job by the highly paid and ultra covert, RTA special ops road building unit.

Driving down the side of a hill while negotiating clusters of wheel warping craters, just doesn’t seem all that that safe to me.

So I’m guessing it’s the half-assed attempt at road building in this state, which why we are so often presented with lavish 8-lane roads, which are sign posted with a maximum speed of just 70km/h. That just wouldn’t work in Germany.

And what about the ever growing numbers of drivers who continue to join the high and mighty “60km/h in right hand lane club”, many of whom appear to be life members with absolute immunity from the rathe of the Highway Patrol. What happened to the “keep left unless overtaking” rule in the learner driver’s handbook?

But heaven help you, should you fail to take your eyes off the road and check the speedometer for the 99th time in a single hour, and you’re caught doing 8km/h over the RTA’s maximum speed limit.

The result is, you could lose your licence, your job, and a truckload of money, which certainly won’t go to the ‘better roads” budget, at least not in this cash haemorrhaging state of ours.

It’s a vastly different story in that Mecca of speed Germany, where fast is safe, and 110km/h in the slow lane will get you high beam flashes and some very angry stares from Ma and Pa Kettle, who are just as likely to be of your grandparents age.

I know this for a fact, as on our way to drive the world’s fastest car (Bugatti Veyron) in 2008, our Ford Mondeo had a puncture and the space saver tyre was only rated to 80km/h, which we tried to adhere to until the level of angst by other drivers became almost dangerous.

But drivers in Germany live under an entirely different set of rules that we Australia do, where “Speed alone is not the problem. It’s the wrong speed in a special situation”, says Ulrich Mellinghoff, Vice President of safety development for Mercedes-Benz.

He goes on to say, “With speed limits you will not stop those situations. If you have fog and drive at 100km/h, which is allowed, you are really high in danger of having an accident. On the other hand, if you drive at 250km/h on the German autobahn in clear weather conditions with no traffic, its not really a risk and no accidents happen those situations” he says.

He’s right, with over 4000 kilometres logged over the last two years, at speeds well over 250km/h on the German autobahn road system, we have never witnessed a single accident.

For a start, the left lane is the fast lane in Europe, which means, that if you have a clear stretch ahead of you and you happen to be behind the wheel of an Audi R8 tuned by ABT, you can quite safely wind it up to 321km/h or cruise at 270km/h without giving it a second thought.

You may even pass a slower moving car of the AutobahnPolizei, who won’t blink an eye as you blast on by them.

But should you pass another driver on the right hand lane at high speed, then look out, as you might end up behind bars. Overtaking on the right (that would be the opposite ‘left side’ in Australia) is treated as a criminal offence in Germany, given the potential catastrpohe it could cause on the autobahn.

It’s just not something that German drivers do (or drivers in Italy, France and Spain for that matter). In fact, nine times out of ten, you won’t  need to flash your lights at the car in front of you, as they will instinctively move to the right without any hesitation whatsoever.

Like I said, it’s a vastly different driving culture from what has been allowed to develop in Australia, where more often than not, anything over 80km/h is considered unsafe on multilane roads.

Mr Mellinghoff makes an important point, which is not being heard by Australian authorities, when he says, “motorists often fall into the trap of thinking they are driving safely because they are driving under the speed limit”

He says, “The German road toll has reduced significantly in the past 20 years, despite much higher road speeds” and the 20 million drivers on their roads.

He also stresses the importance of accident avoidance systems like Electronic Stability programs and ABS in reducing the number fatalities. Like he says, “It makes more sense to avoid an accident than reducing the severity of it”. But that’s common sense isn’t it?

But the real problem in Australia is that our cars are too old. The average Aussie car is no less than 10 years old, which is alarming when you consider that many of our youngest and most inexperienced drivers have no ABS or Electronic Stability fitted to their cars.

While I fully support traffic enforcement, can I suggest that the RTA’s singular obsession with speed needs to be tempered with significantly better road funding.

In addition, and perhaps even more important, is the requirement for the RTA to work with the NSW State Government on incentives to get our kids into newer (and preferably 5-star) cars as a matter of extreme urgency.

We have some fine roads in NSW, namely the freeway from Sydney to Newcastle and the M5 towards Bowral and beyond to Tumut. These roadways are examples of quality road building and are capable of accepting much higher speeds than the maximum speed limit of 110km/h.

I can only hope that RTA focus more on what the experts from Germany are saying, and less on revenue collecting. Only then might driving become as enjoyable as it is in many parts of Europe, where the responsibility for driving at the right speed, is put squarely on the shoulders of the driver.

Source: The Sydney Morning Herald


 
  • Nick

    Couldn’t agree more. Should a system like that of Europe’s be adopted here it will have to be done over some time. Driver training and education is a joke here.

    You spend more hours with a parent or guardian behind the wheel while on your L’s than you do with a qualified instructor. The amount of bad habits being picked up there would be astounding.

    Also true is that we need get the youth into newer cars. The govt. makes so much from taxes on cars they will never drop them them so buying a new/newish car will not be a viable option unles your parents are well off.

    I would love to see this happen but with a government that is more reactive than proactive I doubt anything will happen.

    • Tyson

      And isn’t it a shame that the time they spend with a qualified instuctor is purely on how to pass the test, not how to drive a car. The system is flored, but who is going to fix it?

  • Tom22

    Unfortunately the size of our country, the lack of population we have, the average age of rather low budget cars and the general unskilled attitude the australian population has towards practically everything (especially driving) will never allow this to happen

    • Tobes

      Couldn’t agree more Tom.

      I have just spent 3 years living around UK & Europe. Driving is a joy over there. People are courtious and well mannered AND skilled. So many drivers here are just ill mannered self centred idiots who are totally unaware that the road is a shared place. So its any wonder the authorities take the safe approach of slowing everyone down because so many of us are not skilled enough to drive even at stupidly slow speed limits.

  • Matty B

    Driver education is the number one issue. Number 2 is the age of cars on our roads. Number 3 is the quality of our roads. 2 and 3 are closely matched, but they need to greatly improve the driver training in this country. For both people getting their licenses and people with them. You talk about the quality of german roads, and the fact that majority of cars on their roads are both newer and designed for those roads. But the other major difference is their requirements in getting a drivers license. How many people driving on Australian roads would struggle to change a flat tyre, how can they truly understand their vehicle without having the slightest understanding how it works.

  • nick

    Fantastic article. Great to see some journalists in this country not adopting the ‘slower is safer’ attitude. This is exactly what needs to be in more mainstream media.

  • MAK

    Couldn’t agree more with this article.

    The RTA must be overthrown and a new body be put in authority with a fresh and more innovative approach to managing our roads.

    The sad part is that this is very unlikely because the RTA makes too much money off us implementing stupid schemes such as safety camera’s with a slogan ‘think twice at the lights’. As if that is safe – hesitating at a set of lights…

    • Adam

      Running red lights is one of the worst abuses of the road and I see people do it on an almost daily basis. In my opinion, that is one of the few campaigns the RTA has actually got right.

      • MAK

        Adam

        I agree – and that’s what red light camera’s are for.

        But to make a light it is sometimes ‘safer’ to accelerate up just a little instead of braking violently and causing an accident.

        Again – this countries preoccupation with ‘speed kills’ is not entirely correct…

        • PN

          Can’t wait until peole start panicking and slamming on their brakes causing several car pile ups – extremely safe move

        • KM

          Well said Mak.

  • Ray Stone

    There’s not a Government in Australia with the balls to do this, obviously votes are more important than lives, but everyone should be tested every 2 years. The incompetence on the road is not solely a young people problem. The majority of deaths are still people over 25, many of whom, self included, have not been tested for 40 odd years! You’ll notice many letter writers suggest stricter testing for new drivers, but heaven forbid that they be tested themselves! Many have no idea about the right hand lane laws or even how to merge into freeway traffic. I challenge any politician or so called safety expert to dispute that ongoing testing of all drivers will result in a guaranteed reduction to the road toll. Hello, anyone?

    • brett

      Could not agree more on the merge into freeway traffic front. When I use to live in the Hunter Valley and travelling to Sydney nothing would irritate more than people that cruise down the on ramps before hitting the freeway. They are long and generally downhill for a reason.

    • Bob

      I would be happy to be re-tested. I also ride a motorcycle where professional training is compulsory, and where regular upskilling and retraining is encouraged.

      I believe this attitude should be applied to the general motoring population.

    • J

      Agree 100% How hard can it be to set up process to retest people before issuing a license renewal? Most of the facilities exist, and it will create a few extra white-knuckle (as opposed to white-collar) jobs for the testers. Surely this is a win-win for safety & jobs. Bring it on, I say!

  • http://Audi Robj

    Dream on, will never happen here. All those Korean cars can only do $150km/h, tops….

    • KM

      Robj,

      What kind of car do you drive?

      • http://Audi Robj

        Liberty 3.0 R-B (245 km/h max). I know I do it regularly. Where it is safe…

        • KM

          So if a Japenese car can do 245kmh – what makes you think the Korean cars can’t?

        • Tomas79

          So i sopouse you are qualified road/civil engineer or a psychic to know when it is safe to do 245km/h?

          I hope tossers like you get to loose their licence!!

          • http://Audi Robj

            Actually, I didn’t say where I did it I just said it was safe. Lot of assumptions here. Any speeding is dangerous oh no….I think mobiles and other destractions are a worse problem.

          • Shak

            Were in our Speed limited country is it legal, or even safe to do 245Km/h. If you were trying to impree us you failed. I personally think you are a tool, as i cannot think of any road in Australia that is capable or even allowed to do 245km/h. Fail.

          • http://Audi Robj

            Dear oh dear, really is a nanna state community here isn’t it. Let me spell it for you all..there are these places around the country. They are called race tracks. Skilled and advanced drivers use them to drive at speed in a safe environment….many people dont care or think about advanced driving only that all speeding is bad but all other bad behaviour is ok (phones etc). That opinion seems to be refelected here. As I said there can never be any intelligent discussion on this issue.

            Good night.

    • Carl

      Robj…….dear oh dear you are soooo ignorant, My wife and i drive an i30 diesel and a couple of weeks ago i had to drive my wife to hospital with her contractions only 3 minutes apart and we are 140Ks from Dubbo base hospital, at 5am i put 48 minutes!!! now how was that possible if our Korean car was as slow as you ignorantly claimed???

      • http://Audi Robj

        Actually, I’m taking about the numerous old excels, accents, rio’s, etc etc etc in very poor condition by various pensioners and unemployed these people cannot begin to understand the concept of advanced driving. Congrats on the bub by the way.

        • KM

          I am pretty sure numerous old maza 121s & old Libertys & old toyota corollas cannot reach these speeds as well.

          So let’s stop picking on the Koreans & give them the credibility they deserve.

        • Carl

          Robj……Thanx for the sentiment i am totally wrapped with my first daughter, as far as the old Korean stuff, hopefully those cars will soon be off our streets!!!

    • Classic

      You, Robj, are what is referred to on this website as a ‘badge snob’. Don’t you know by now that you can’t have a personal, even slightly negative opinion about any Korean car maker/model? Now bow down and give me 3 x “I love all things Korean!!” right now, and don’t make me tell you again :-)

      • Classic

        ^ oh, and BTW, that goes for Skoda too. Nothing negative about those either, thanks very much.

  • toxic_horse

    Why is my previous comment awaiting moderation?

  • John Walker

    No mention of the crippling tariffs one has to pay in Australia in order to get hold of a decent car…..even the taxi’s in Germany are Mercs!

    • noj

      Yes, the Government knows our cars aren`t capable of high speed. That is why I purchase Euro cars, cars that are designed to be capable of high speeds.

      • Shak

        What do you mean. All our cars are capable of at least 150km/h, so why not impose a 100, 130, 150 limit on our three lane roads.

        • noj

          Yeah I suppose most of the modern cars can. I guess we just need to fine the idiots who continually sit in the middle and inside lane on the freeway doing 90kph. Maybe the Government should give out interest free loans or some sort of incentive for people to get into modern, safer cars. Because some of the crap you see people driving isn`t capable of doing 100kph let alone 150kph.

          • Shak

            Exactly what they should be doing. They should offer incentives for new drivers to buy fuel efficient and newer cars. That way our national emissions targets would go up, and so would the safety on our roads.

          • noj

            I will go one step further and tell FORD and GM to go jump and build a truly Australian car, built by the people for the people. There is no doubting we have the ability in this Country to do so. The Government is already subsidising the Car industry why not just start building a totally Australian owned car company with a line up to suit everyone and their affordability. I`m sure they could easily manage an export program to China and the Middle East. Then let the Americans import their equivalent cars I bet they won`t compare.

          • Andrew M

            Now you are dreaming noj,

            How can a country this little sustain a full line of independant vehicles.
            The mega giant Toyota couldnt even afford to do that.

            Shak, they have offered incentives to get people into newer cars.
            My take is why should the nation be encouraged to get into higher debt levels???
            I mean whats so bad about people driving older cars??
            Fuel savings and emissions worries are well and truely wiped out by driving a “recycled” (2nd hand/old) car

    • Adam

      5% is not really a ‘crippling’ tariff though.

  • Shane

    Well said

    • toxic_horse

      My previous comment has been moderated but i feel strongly about it.
      It is all very well to say how safe these high speed freeyways are . however last year there was a pileup on one of these roads in Germany involving 259 cars.
      80 injuries, 10 of those critical.

      When very high speeds are involved, it all works great most of the time. but what about that one time when a car traveling at over 200k/ph spins out and rear ends a inocent family traveling at a normal speed.

      • Shak

        Wouldnt you rather one collision per year, than 200 on every major road. I know it is a horrible thing to say, but as long as people drive there will always be collisions, the only thing Drivers and governments can do is try their best to avoid them. You can never fully stop accidents, that is why they are called accidents.

        • toxic_horse

          Yes but my point is if a car is traveling at 250km/ph and crashes. it is much more likely to cause major carnage to other cars on the road than one doing 110

  • ptwhite2003

    My contribution to this contentious debate is that ‘Meca’ has a double c in it, so it should be ‘Mecca’.

    I rest my case.

    • Shak

      Only when its in a religious context. Any other meaning has been deemed to have a single ‘C’.

      • ptwhite2003

        Enlighten us. Give us a usage of the word ‘meca’ with a single c. I can’t find a single example.

        Clearly the author agrees with me as he has edited the text.

        I rest my case. Again.

  • Valet Dabess

    i’d love to have better roads. cause the roads in my town MACKAY suck

  • Realcars

    Road situation will not improve in the foreseeable future so speed will be a major factor on shit roads regardless of the age of the vehicle.

    Fatigue is probably a bigger issue here than Europe as well given comparitive distances driven. Imagine the extra carnage if we didn’t have speed limits as many people are incapable of deciding on the correct speed for the conditions.

    245kph isn’t safe no matter what road except maybe a race track. If u need to avoid another vehicle/object at this speed nothing will save u includng ABS, ESP etc etc.

    Don’t they have multicar pile ups now and then in Europe with dozens of cars/ fatalities due to fog?

    • G

      I think you missed the point there with the fog comment – one of the main points in the editorial was choosing the correct speed for the conditions. What is to say the cause of the multicar pileups isn’t the wrong speed for fog conditions.

    • Nelson

      See You fail!
      Ignorance is what makes Australian drivers the worse I have ever seen…

  • Realcars

    People got to realise that they need to drive for the conditions rather than tailgating someone at 110kph. A tire blows or other distraction and multiple fatalities for no good reason other than dickhead driving technique.

    Many people don’t realise the horror of a serious car accident and take unnecessary and stupid risks. Unsafe overtaking,tailgating,excessive speed. Need to shock kids at school at learner stage.Horrible footage,mangled bodies and sound effects. sensitise people as we are all desensitised by Hollywood crap etc etc. Let p plate offenders tag along with Ambulance to ram it home etc etc.

    • Ray Stone

      I repeat, the majority of fatalities and accidents on the road are people who are over 25. Sure the under 25′s are disproportionally high but the sheer weight of drivers over 25 means they are the majority. So, how about we stop thinking that we can all drive and it’s just the young people who the authorities need to educate. It is so easy to deflect responsibility for the road toll by blaming others. I’m a really good driver, never had an accident (caused a few) but everyone else is an idiot.

      • pat205gti

        in germany tailgating is the norm if one’s driving slowly in the fast lane (which never happens)… on multilane roads i see nothing wrong with it, just merge to the left and your fine, no one’s going to push you there!

  • Shak

    The government is so good at lying they have conned themselves into believing this. It just doesnt make sense, they would probably end up spending the same amounts they do on their Speed Kills campaigns, as they would on proper education. You should start at the root of the problem and not try and solve it after they had let it happen.

  • Baddass

    It is said that in the near future, the number of hours a learner must drive will increase from 100 hours to 150-200 hours. I see this as a lazy attempt by the government to say they are preventing crashes by giving extra training. 100 hours is plenty of time to hone your driving skills, especially if you drive in a variety of conditions. And plus, if people skip hours when it is thge current amount, what about when it is double the time?

    • Nick

      Ok, I just wana come out and admit that I in no way am a seasoned driver. Im a 16 year old kid from the states. I just got my license and 100 hours is a lot more than i had to do (about twice as much). And I havnt been driving for long at all, but I’ve already noticed more people doing things that any person with a love of driving would know just dosnt go togther (eating, chating on the phone, even painting their nails). And I get the feeling it isnt too much diffrent in your country, but the jist of what im saying is that maybe we need to teach our new drivers around speed and saftey over just “Drive slow and do what you want with no consiqience”. And another thing think about what your saying on the note of all the car talk, Yes ABS and Traction control are good things and yes they do help saftey imensly but if new drivers were taught in Drivers Training to drive without that and learn to gain control of a vehicle that did, god forbide, loose control wouldnt road ways be much safer? And the fact of the matter with road quality it is definently over here in the U.S. an extremly half assed job and the roads are left “under construction” for eternity. And I know that not everyone will agree with what I have to say but if you do read this think about the capabilitie that drievrs have that is left burried by distractions and just plain stupidness.

  • Mk

    Can you use your Australian driver’s licence in Germany?

    • Nelson

      I think so, but you shouldn’t because any EU country classifies an Australian drivers license with low reputation!

  • Frenchie

    Crippling tariffs? 5% is hardly crippling! Try paying taxes in Germany, not to mention their CO2 tax that Rudd whats to bring in. If your car is older and complies with Euro2 or 3 you pay a yearly tax. If you move residence you have to get new number plates at your cost and pay a tax.

  • pat205gti

    last year i was driving a 1.4l corolla (astoundingly capable) on a freeway in poland, with a speed limit of 130, everyone was going around 150, which was still safe. The thing i noticed most, is that at a constant speed of 150 you do concentrate and are a lot more alert on the road than you are at 110 in australia.

    another thing is, that trucks are onlyu allowed to do 100km/h, which means they stay int he left lane and although there is a lot of overtaking all the time, it is safe, quick and again keeps you busy and concentrated whilw the kms pass…

    One of the most annoying things on freeways in australia are people overtaking while trying to keep under the speed limit (110). it takes ages to overtake a truck going 100km/h, its unsafe, and its blocking the right hand lane!

  • Frenchie

    Yes, along with your Australian issued International licence (different to state/territory licence). Also you have to apply for your state/territory licence with an official translation in German. If stay/drive longer than 6 months you must apply for a German driver licence.

  • demonaz

    No chance, we hardly have any motorway grade highways in this country. Autobahns are mostly inter-city and due to density of Germany they can afford quad-carriage highways. We can’t.

  • Rick Shaw

    i think the main issue is that people are to afraid to go over the speed limit, cause they’ll get busted.
    so they sit there at 95kmh and only looking at the speedo not the road. if people could travel at the speed they feel the most comfortable this would lead to a safer road.

  • Vlad The Impaler

    Lets face it. Accidents are caused by people who are thick. As a NSW P2 licence holder I don’t like it when us young drivers are discriminated against because of a small minority of genuinely stupid people who probably need to be told instead of doing burnouts and fitting stupid exhaust modifications on their cars to take a look down their trousers because their small packages (amongst other things) are ruining it for us more responsible road users. Our engine restriction, passenger restrictions and everything else is giving most p-platers the sh*ts

    The RTA can blame anybody the like for the speed issues, as a P2 licence holder they probably could not be more wrong. This article hits the nail on the head and belts the nail deep into the wood!! Driver education is essential, because the morons who have bought us into this predicament need to be told. However I do acknowledge telling a person who has a big exhaust, pretentious wheels and ridiculous engine modifications how to drive is a definite challenge because they are, as I mentioned, they are thick and they are stupid, and stupid people don’t take information in like a sponge, its very difficult.

    The roads in Australia are horrid, there is no other word for it. Roads in Germany are nothing short of perfect, and I believe that is the German way and I am big fan of the German eye for detail and German efficiency which not only Australians but the whole entire world should take a leaf out of their book. If they can have such a system, and maintain such a system, why can’t we??

    And I could not agree more on the safer cars for young people too. I am lucky in that respect because I got to drive my parents Holden Statesman which while a 2002 model still had enough safety trimmings such as airbags, traction control and a strong 4 star safety rating made me feel better. When ever I took it to school some of the cars my friends drove probably wouldn’t save the life of a gerbil in an accident let alone a 17 or 18 year old driver in an accident situation. To address this I think the government probably should subsidise drivers under a certain age to buy safer and newer cars to not only reduce fatalities but get rid of older and unsafer cars off the road but also from an economic perspective might help stimulate the new vehicle market.

    just a few suggestions which you may not all agree with but this is a vital issue.

  • Fenno

    “Speed remains a major factor in crashes throughout NSW, with 40 per cent of fatalities speed related”.

    The word “Factor” is the key to this comment. If you were driving at 60 in a 60 zone on a dual-lane carriageway and got sideswiped in a lane change by a slower moving vehicle who failed to make a safe lane change, The investigating officer could factor in speed as a contributor to the incident. (Notch one up for speed)
    Similar to if you had one beer in your system and was killed by somebody running a red while you driving through a green light the investigating officer can tick “alcohol related” as a contributing factor.

    I’ve said it before – Speed doesnt kill, Innapropriate speed does (you can still die doing 90 in a 100 zone – contrary to what the powers that be will tell you)

    • Millatime

      In addition to that so often after a tragic fatal crash you have a very solemn faced senior Police Officer in a press conference saying “speed may be a factor here, we will investigate…”

      No need to investigate officer, in the minds of the public you have already laid blame..

  • Whitbomb07

    All you have to do is look at the Northern Territory.

    Between Darwin and Katherine there was no speed limit, when they came in and slapped on a 130km/h limit the death toll INCREASED!

    Faster = More attention, more alert, better aware of your surroundings = less chance of crash.

    Slower = Mind wandering, not paying attention, fatigue due to longer travel time = greater chance of crash.

    Regards

    Whitbomb07

    • Vlad The Impaler

      Exactly. Stupidity reigns supreme in our governments. I ask myself why all the time!!

  • http://www.betweentwopoints.com Andy

    I can understand why people like to use Germany as an example, as their speed limits are loose and their fatality rate (per million, according to eyestat) is lower than here. I agree that Australia’s obsession with speed limits is idiocy, and that there has to be a better way to lower fatalities without penalising those who may drift a few kays over the limit.

    However, the Swiss roads have an even lower fatality rate when compared with Germany, and they have a speed limit of 120kph (Source: Wikipedia)

    Google: autobahn germany accident evaluation
    Google: transport in switzerland wiki

    I agree with the sentiment of this article, in that our cars are old, and our roads are in a terrible state. I’d like to see a scrappage scheme in order to get junkers off the road and newer cars out there, which i believe has been highly successful overseas.

    But I think that linking speed with fatalities (whether as an argument for lifting or lowering them) is a logical fallacy. There’s something different here in Australia, and personally… and as stated in the article, I’d look at roads, cars and attitudes of all drivers.

  • Frenchie

    The statistic of 25% of those drivers killed on Australian roads are not wearing a seat belt. Another 25% are said to be intoxicated (alchol or drugs).The remaining 50% probably fall foul to the first 50%(that being idiots).

  • Mark

    Great Article. To a certain extent speed does kill. I’m not going to argue that. It’s a whole lot easier correcting a car at lower speeds. However, i was brought up in the country and we bought endless amounts of paddock bashers and beat around the bush tracks testing our skills. This was after my father used to take me and my brothers out on a saturday afternoon and let us steer the car through the pine forrest. At first on his lap and then solo once we could reach the pedals. We learnt what the limits where in a car which is soo damn important. The vast majority of people who die on the roads, dont particularly want to die. They just want to test their car out and this nearly always happens when you have your mates egging you on. Had those kids already known what their car was capable of (through the government giving them some open space to do so and test their cars out), i’m sure the death toll on our roads would plummet.
    Now anyone reading this that knows how to drive can agree with me when you know for a fact that you can take a care sideways in the wet with as much control as you could taking it normally (absolutely no question). Because you’ve learn’t (through experience) what your limits are. Now this doesnt say that you should be going around doing this everywhere. But lets face it, if you have a “safe” place to test your car and know it’s limits, then you’re far less likely to go over those limits knowing that you could very well die.
    I didnt learn that a cooktop was hot by looking at it or reading about it!~.. I learnt it was hot by touching it! damn it… how friggin obvious do we have to make it before the government actually starts getting serious about saving kids lives instead of using the old… well lets just up the fines or confiscate their cars.

    Their not serious about saving lives. because they would have to forgo some serious revenue!

    For the record. I’ve never had an accident.

    • toxic_horse

      Mate, I couldn’t agree more.

  • RTA Hater

    I agree with this article. I also agree with the comments about driver training and the state of our roads. Why is the RTA and State Government allowed to so recklessly rule our driving lives. One thing that really peeves me also is the child restraint debacle where the RTA wont allow the use of the ISOFIX system for child restraint as used all over Europe. This is a fantastic system that is really easy to fit, is almost idiot proof and much safer than out crazy laps and straps and other garbage that lead to terrible injuries to our children. This issue was recently brought up I think in the Sydney Morning Herald and also on a recent current affairs programme. The Minister didn’t even know about them and declared that “people can use them if they want” only to be told by the RTA that they were illegal because (and get this…….) they might confuse drivers if we have two different systems in place. The only people who are confused is the RTA. All cars coming to Australia from Europe are fitted with the connectors and yet even though they are the safest system in the world they are not legal because of the idiots at the RTA. Why not introduce ISOFIX now and gradually phase out the old dangerous seats. Some one must do something about all this stupidity in our Road Transport Authority.

  • xr2

    stupid rules
    Hay plains 110KPH
    My EB V8(165 kw)cannot be driven by my daughter (Green P’s) but she can drive a FG xr6 (195kw)

  • Andrew M

    Anthony,
    could you please make reference to where it is proven that thr condition of roads are a contributer to accidents let alone a major player.

    I dont think Ive ever heard if an accident being caused by a pothole.

    The simple fact is most accidents (90-something%) are caused by human error.

    Im not usually one to go into bat for the government, and Im not entering in to whether or not roads are infact in good condition, Im just disputing the claims Ive heard around here quite a bit that the roads are a big contributer.

    And on revenue…..
    Well here in QLD it looks as though they are spending speeding ticket money and a heck of a lot more on our roads, so even if I was one who had contributed to that pot in the past I could rest assured my money went back into the roads.

    The bottom line is driver training and maturity, and thats the only thing the Gov can be held accountable for. But in saying that, they are at least trying stuff with the logbook system etc (IMO they need more than that).

    Oh and you want to do 250kmh on our roads??? NO THANKS, not with the nutters on our roads, be buggered if I’d want to mix it with them at 2.5 times the speed

  • Tim

    I do not understand why Australia has such a sh!tty driver training program after all these years! Completing 100 hours into a log book will not SAVE LIVES! What we need is proper education, like others said. This includes how to firstly AVOID crash situations, knowing limits of the car, how to correct a car in a slip etc. NONE of this is addressed in hourly driving sessions with an instructor. Speed kills people, but not because of speed alone, LACK of knowledge behind the wheel is whats doing it.

    While on topic, it is way too easy to get a licence. Idiots behind the wheel are everywhere. I mean, people don’t know how to change a flat tire! We should have both theory and practical testing on not only how to operate the car safely, but also know its limits, major components and basic mechanical knowledge.

    Speed does kill, but not to an extent the government makes it out to be. Put money into driver training, not bloody advertisements.

  • The Realist

    Nice read. But the lack of progress here in the past 20 years has been staggering. Unfortunately nothing of substance will ever happen in Oz from an infrastructure perspective. Not while we have cockroaches in the public sector who make decisions and try to justify their positions.

  • Al Juraj

    Stupidity kills more than any other. Hoons, abusive P-platers and mindless oldies account for the major accidents on the road. And the fact that you have to keep looking at your speedo to avoid paying a full day’s salary to stain your licence simply because of exceeding the limit even by 1 km/h makes it even worse.

    On the Autobahn, there are only prescribed speeds, and if you can control your car at something above those, even 300 km/h or so, it’s not a crime and neither will you kill yourself or someone else. It’s about being proactive, mindful of others, that keeps accidents from happening.

    Aussie motoring is like the Corvair, unsafe at any speed. Pretty much the only advanced technology we have here is the cameras and laser equipment to catch ‘dangerous’ drivers, while others are left without mobile phone coverage and a decent broadband service for their home computers. We are only around 22 million but we can’t get what we need yet we get what we don’t want. You need to keep proving to Centrelink with so many documentation why you require financial assistance but there are no buts once a speeding ticket lands on your mailbox. You get a few hundred dollars a month with so many conditions but paying for a fine could literally be a turning point in your life.

    The whole system needs to be changed, from driving lessons to a vast amendment in the road rules. The problem is the laws are enforced but there’s no standard by which these could be met. The what is there but the how isn’t. With the current system, we are meant to break rules. After all, there’s so much money involved. On a red light camera zone, you’d suddenly see the light turn yellow for no apparent reason metres before you cross the intersection, so it’s your choice to brake hard or pay hard.

    There’s a lot of money in photography, so why not use that to build decent, safer roads. Most of our highways are unbelievably dangerous especially during heavy rain, due to uneven surfacing. This is also a major cause of road fatalities. Conversely, Germans build theirs at least twice as durable as any other, making them safe no matter how fast you go.

    Driving lessons need to be drastically revamped. It’s always one’s goal to simply pass the tests and do whatever they want afterwards. Getting a licence should entail responsibility. It’s a privilege, not a right, and by privilege, the driver needs to ensure safety for oneself and others by proactive motoring and keeping their vehicle properly tuned with good tyres. We should all be on the same page here, or else it will cost even more lives.

  • Jason Cheung

    I was driving from albion park towards wollongong the other day, I was going around 100-105 in a so called 110 zone and my car hydroplaned (under speed limit!). Let me describe that strip of road: after many years of having huge semitrailers running on top of it, the road had two depressed/descended lines formed (where the tyres run on), so after raining, rainwater would be collected in them. My tyres were great wet tyres (kumho spt ku31) and the car still lost traction… RTA should fix their roads first!

    • Leigh

      That is one of the points this article was about, driving to the conditions which you obviously were not. I agree that the road should have been relayed 10 years ago, but the fact that it has not been meant that you needed to compensate for that and slow down further. That is the problem with Australian driving skills, everyone thinks if you follow the sign on the road there will be rainbows and fairy floss and clowns dancing around your car protecting you from the bad things in life! That is exactly what this article is about, that drivers need to use their brains!!!

  • ABMPSV

    First in Germany I could not teach my kids how to drive. They must go to proper school learn how to drive. It takes around 6 months and cost about 1 months wages. I learned in every condition how to drive. I think that should be changed here too. Second if I look statistics the number dead per 100,000 population in Germany is slightly less than here. There is no speed limit, more cars on less area. The average age of cars here is around 10 years over there is 5. Over there you must have min 4 or 6 airbags, ABS and ESC here NO!!

  • Millatime

    In response to increased driver training the Queensland government mandates that learner drivers need 100 hours in their log book before they can apply for a licence. In doing so the government acknowledge a need for greater training – then place that responsibility in the hands of people who are not trained or qualified in any way to deliver driver training.

    It is madness. It is the height of stupidity.

    We pay these people to do a job, and we trust them to get it right, yet time and time again they fail us, which begs the question, who exactly are they serving?

    As a population we are divided, kept powerless and thus ignored and easily governed, and yet we vastly outnumber them… Which begs another question – isn’t our democracy due for an overhaul so the will of the people is more easily recognisedand then acted on?

    • Shak

      That my friend is the foundation of democracy.

  • Mk

    I remember watching a (BBC/Channel 4?) documentary, which investigated the large number (proportionally) of rally and F1 drivers from Finland. Their conclusion was that it was all about the way and environment in which they have learned to drive, i.e. keeping vehicle control when you are constantly losing it (ice).
    The other funny one was BBC canceling a documentary over the way in which alcohol impairs your driving. They got hold of a few racing drivers, who unfortunately for the producers, started clocking quicker times on the racetrack after a few beers.

  • The Menz

    The short version is like everything else in NSW, the system is broken. To fix it would require money, planning and admission that they (the govt) were wrong or worse still lying.

    And lets be honest, the police are happy to book you for speeding and hype up the hoon factor, yet they do nothing about poor driving generally. Sitting on or below the limit in the fast lane, tailgating, not indicating etc etc.

    I personally wish the government would stop pretending that everything will be ok so long as they slow everything down to standstill.

  • TuffGuy

    No government is ever going to see sense on this issue as long as there are drivers on the roads with wallets they can empty. Even now we can see how far they are trying to go with this – point to point speed cameras are a case in point. No longer will you be able to just slow down for the speed camera, if you arrive at the next one too quickly you will be booked for speeding. Either that or drive fast then pull over for a smoke before the next camera. Here in Canberra we have two cameras on the Tuggeranong Parkway and another two on the Monaro Highway. Soon they will be changed to point to point cameras. None of the 4 can be even considered as blackspots and there is only one reason for their positioning – revenue raising.
    To make another point think about average speeds during peak hours in Sydney. On both these roads (in Canberra) peak hour traffic flows at 120kays and all the government want to do is slow it down, and make heaps of money in the process.

    • Leigh

      I thought these were only being used on trucks?

  • topdog

    Yes i agree with everyone we just need more driver traning.The goverments and rta all thay do every time is just make the writen tests harder and harder ,Instead of foucusing on driver traning.I mean think about it anyone with half a brain knows that you can study for a test and past with flying coulors and know all the rules ,But that dosent mean you can drive or know what the hell is going on when your car is in trouble.Its so ovious and thay do nothing then just blame us

  • Leigh

    The problem is this, everyone here is in agreeance that we would be able to go faster if we were provided with better roads. THese better roads could easily be funded by L plate driver training by professionals and revenue created by fining bad drivers, not just drivers 5kmh over the limit. BUT, here is the big but, anyone who has read this article is some what of a car enthusiast to be on a car website to start with. I think that is a fairly accurate assumption. THerefore your view will be that which I have just said as I am also a car enthusiast. But there are so many wowsers out there who think that if you stick to the sign on the sign of the road, dont change lanes and mind your own business there is no need for change. THere are mums and dads out there who say they cant afford to send their kids to driving school, therefore the risk of zero skill level and potential death is better than having the kid save up the money to attends the course.

    For the reasons that Australia is full of nanny policy, there is no way in the next generation our speed limit will even be increased to 111 anywhere!!! Politicians dont want to upset anyone, they would rather put the blame on you for speeding hence it is no longer their responsibility because they tried to book you but you didnt tale notice. THe only way to make this change is to get the media on side with more articles like this, to get it in TV and radio and then go out and lobby your local member of parliament to do something about this garbage and sub standard infrastructure we get fed in Australia. Unfortunately Australia is in the mid set that they need to support everyone out there, that welfare is an OK way to live. I say stop sponging on my taxes and get a job you bludger. See how much money is left over to change infrastructure once we get rid of the spongers.

  • G6E TURBO

    Here’s an idea for state gov to make our freeways safer and for them to increase revenue by hundreds of millions per year if not billions.
    Install an advanced monitoring system on all freeways that detects cars speed, distance between cars etc..and issue fines for:
    1.Failing to keep left
    2.Not indicating when merging.
    3.Indicating after merging.
    4.Failing to merge safely onto the freeway.
    5.failing to merge safely into the freeway from the emergency lane.
    6.tailgating.
    7.objects falling fromt trailers and trucks etc..
    8.driving without headlights at night or in heavy rain.
    9.Merging 3 or 4 lanes dangerously cause you do not want to miss your exit.
    10.Cars swerving into other lanes cause the driver is half asleep.
    11.Drivers who leave the indicator for few KM after they merged.

    • Shak

      Good point. This idea would pay for itself after a couple of months. Then, maybe they could try for better education? Just a hope.

    • jack

      You forgot 12. Failing to love Big Brother.

  • Kels

    I put this issue, at least for Australia, in the too hard basket.

    Let’s all move to Europe! :)

  • yowps3

    I agree 100% with this article, its so true.. Aussie roads are garbage, out entire public infrastructur is garbage..

    Worst then that, out driving education is an absolute joke.. And yes our cars are way old compared to countries like Germany were your encouraged to make purchase of new car..

    The taxis in Germany are all Mercedes E-classes and those are just the standard taxis, the prestige taxis are S-class Mercedes..

    This Australian system is a joke, their obsession with “speed-kills” is foolish and nothing more then hyperbole.. The real reason for problems in our roads are the design and quality of our horribly designed and built roads.. If you ever go to Germany’s Autobahn (Motorway) you will see that there is not even a single bump, crack or gravel bits on the road and the entire system is very consistent and is over-maintained to keep the quality.. Unlike the garbage in Australia they call roads..

    To RTA: TALK IS EASY and FOOLISH

  • Save it for the track

    So many misconceptions and assumptions by many, including the author of the article. Germany’s autobahns work well, not just because of the thickness of the road surface, which is far thicker than used here, but also due to the camber, which allows proper runoff and no pooling of water, but also due to strict design guidelines as regards gradients and curves. The sight lines on an autobahn are far superior to our roads. Not to mention the generally excellent european driving habits of merging amd staying out of the fast lane. For anyone to make blanket statements that the F3 or M5 should have higher speed limits, takes none of the many other factors into account. Other factors include no time restrictions on truck or heavy vehicle travel as some parts of the autobahn have, the fact that in our road rules overtaking to the left is allowed on multi-lane roads, and that the signs that say ‘keep left unless overtaking’, seem obvious, but the actual rules relating to them ONLY reqyire driver’s to stay out of the right lane, and not the centre lane as well on a three lane road with speed-limit above 80km/h. As I have said before the Australian mentality to driving is atrocious. That’s why the simple ‘speed kills’ message needs to be hammered to the simplistic audience it is aimed at. I know that it is inappropriate speed that kills, along with many other factors. I also know that Police do issue fines for other traffic offences as moaned about by posters on here, I personally dish out fines for not keeping left, not indicating, following too closely and many others. The key thing though is that many of those offences require a fair amount of time (aside from indicating) to monitor and observe to fulfill the burdens of proof of the offence, and of course soem offences such as tailgaiting are so prevalent in peak hour periods, just who should b pulled over? Aside from the very low 2-3km/h thresholds in Victoria, it is extremely unlikely that someone would be booked in person in NSW for 8km/h over let alone 1km/h.
    .
    Removal of freight from the roadways by constructing freight rail corridors and upgrading/re-openeing existing rail lines would greatly assist in getting more heavy vehicles off the roads, which would lessen some of the congestion on the roadways and allow for some easier obeyance of the road rules. Simplistic statements of many to simply raise speed-limits on some freeways and motorways does not take into account congestion, sight lines, and the road surface. If our freeways were reconstructed using ALL of the autobahn design aspects, such as camber, gradients etc. there MIGHT be a chance of raising the speed-limits, but as that will not happen, I suggest everyone stop bleating and drive to the prevailing conditions. The perceptiosn as regards red lights is also concerning. There is NO need to ‘slam on’ your brakes if a light goes to yellow as you are on or near an intersection, there is also no need to speed up to get through before the red light. On another point if a vehicle was to ‘slam on’ any vehicles travelling behind shoucl be travelling at a safe enough distanec to be able to stop. Red light cameras do not go off if you have already crossed the stopline, BEFORE the light changed to red.

    • http://bent Millatime

      “I suggest everyone stop bleating and drive to the prevailing conditions” 90% of the population does exactly that – and then they get fined for speeding…

      Smells like revenue raising to any fair minded person.

  • ohreally

    Nothing is more terrifying than watching some old VK commodore bumble down a major highway 30+ kmh beyond the speed limit. Old cars, crap brakes, bad suspension, bald tyres and inexperienced drivers.

    Fast is only safe with good roads, better drivers, and newer cars

  • jack

    I actually reckon all the safety signs are the no.1 danger that litter our roads. Try to read them all, and see if you can concentrate on the road!

    Take a powernap. Do not park in the emergency lane. 0.05 Do you know the limit? Love her? Divorce Speed. Police are targeting Speed/Seatbelts/Drink Driving/etc. Every police car is now an RBT. If you drink and drive you’re a bl**dy idi*t! Tired eyes? Take a powernap. Help catch hoons. No standing. Don’t swim alone. Speed cameras operated in Victoria/South Australia/Western Australia/New South Wales/Queensland. Don’t become a statistic. Aerial speed checks operate in this area. Watch out for flying wombats. Aaaaargh! (Made that last one up.)

    As an aside, I visited a hospital, and whilst in a waiting room, counted 56 different advisory signs in this room alone!

    What is it with Australia and ‘over-signage’? OH&S gone mad?

    Secondly, we have many, many different speed zones: 20, 40, 50, 50 unless signed as any other, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 130km’h. It can be extremely confusing at times. The best sequence is when an advisory, yellow sign advises 75km/h before a corner then the limit is posted shortly after at 90km/h!

    Aren’t Australians supposed to keep things simple?

    Other than that, loved this article. Agree with others that driver training is, seriously, #1.