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Victorian State Government to crush ‘hoons’ cars at 3rd offence

By Matt Brogan |

A Herald-Sun report has told how the Victorian State Government will introduce tougher ‘anti-hoon’ laws in an effort it says will deter so-called ‘hoon’ drivers.

The Government scrambled to make the announcement just three hours after the Opposition pledged to step up anti-hoon laws and allow for car crushing if it won office.

Under the proposal repeat offenders will have their cars crushed if a driver owns the car and has two previous offences for crimes such as exceeding the speed limit by 45km/h or more, drag racing, burnouts or dangerous driving.

The announcement comes as a reaction to a recent accident in the Melbourne suburb of Mill Park that saw five youths killed, with the Government saying current anti-hoon laws – which have seen almost 10,000 cars impounded – are not a strong enough deterrent.

TAC Minister Tim Holding said unroadworthy or heavily modified cars would be likely to be crushed or sold under a policy being developed by the Government.

He also said the Government would also look at increasing the impoundment time for first offences from 48 hours to a week.

The Opposition wants to sell parts of hoons’ cars before crushing the shells, with money going back into the system to make the program cost neutral.

Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said he would introduce laws under which a first ‘hooning’ offence meant cars were confiscated for thirty days.

The laws would also force hoons to undertake a safe driving course after a first offence. He accused the Government of knee-jerk policy announcements.

Will crushing cars deter so-called ‘hoon’ behaviour? Leave a comment now.


 
  • Reckless1

    This won’t stop the deaths, it will just make those in office feel thay are earning their money.

    Why not just castrate all boys at birth, then they won’t have the agression bhind the wheel.

    • alfred allstein

      Your mother was an impolite petrol-pump attendant who made a home in a hollowed-out tree

  • Callous Aussie

    They have been doing this in the USA for a couple of years and it has been proven effective. It’s a step in the right direction. I hope the Queensland government are reading this too.

    • Gazza

      They already have similar laws in Qld.
      First offence you lose it for 48hrs, second 3 months & third your car is forfeited.
      It’s proving to be very effective.

  • Whitbomb07

    Mummy and/or Daddy will just buy them another car………

    I’d like to know why it’s over 45km/h to be considered under hoon laws, seems rather high.

    Regards

    Whitbomb07

  • Prince by another name

    Its all girls fault, if they would “put out” more then men would spend all the time indoors with them and have no time for this silly childish and dangerous behaviour

    • Callous Aussie

      Nice to know you have such a dim view of women you grub.

      • Baddass

        Says he who calls himself Prince…

        Anyway I think this is a brilliant idea, because there is no real case for a repeat offender to defend themselves, as they were given three chances. Bring it in I say.

      • Valet Dabess

        yeah my girl kept comming into the living room where i watch sport… so i shortened her leash

    • Aleks

      Guys take a joke when you see it, god, I LOLED Hard :P PP

      • Prince by another name

        AMEN!!

        To thick skined and little to no humour.

        EVERYBODY know a womens place is in the bedroom and the kitchen! :-)

        GET-A-LIFE!

        • KJ

          You made your point, joke or not (I’ve heard funnier jokes before)

          Sounds like you should be getting a life now.

        • Baddass

          Maybe you should keep your old-school views of women to yourself, because they sure ain’t funny, and pretty derogatory. I love a joke as much as the next guy, but I really can’t see the joke in your comment.

          • The Real Car Fanatic

            maybe his Missus has lengthened his leash so he feels a Joke is in order to bring up his low self esteem?

    • Cinderella

      Some people would be better off being castrated, I could think of someone right now who would make a perfect candidate for an eunuch. Too much testosterone getting loose on this site.

  • Tom

    its a good idea, but if i was a bogan who loved my piece of ^%”! car so much that i wouldn’t want to get it crushed. i sure as hell wouldn’t stop for the cops. Causing even more dangerous behavior and possibly more deaths.

    people do not seem to understand this logic, if they have been done twice under the hoon laws, and they are doing it for the 3rd time they dont give a rats ass about the cops and will just run from them

    • RK

      Yes, the cops aren’t allow to take note of the licence plate, or photograph them with a speed camera, and come by to take their car later.

      No-one said they had to be caught in a high-speed chase, mate.

  • OzProud

    Best news I’ve heard all day! – but why not on the second offence so there is even less chance of innocents being killed & maimed?? Many ‘hoons’ will just see this as permission to get caught twice as if this is still acceptable.

  • Valet Dabess

    all the drivers in my town must be sooks then cause i’ve never seen anyone drive 45 over the limint, maybe 20 but never 45. what’s wrong with burnouts? as long as you don’t block traffic and it’s in a quite place it should be good. tyres get bald they buy more, contribution to the economy

    • Cupid Stunt

      Hope your car gets crushed some day and you’re there to see it. No hoper

    • I’d really like to drive

      seriously? first off WHY? would you even THINK of doing burnouts in a quiet place? Secondly, unless you have the money to keep replacing tyres because they’d lose traction after the min numbing amount of burnouts someone like you would do and lastly, imagine the one unfortunate soul that MIGHT get caught in your path the day your car loses traction and skids off the road…i seriously hope you get caught AND you car gets impounded indefinitely if not for 3 months….it’s because of guys like you that younger drivers have to face more restricting laws….grow up….

      i guess it wouldn’t hurt to have a track for idiots who really like ruining their own cars…why not make them watch as their cars get crushed?

  • Brett

    You will never stamp out ‘hooning’. It is unfortunately part of being a (especially male) teenager. It’s like trying to say to woman, ‘ok you’re not allowed to look at more than one shop’. They enjoy doing it and it can be compulsive, full stop.

    Don’t get me wrong, I hate seing drags and burnouts in the street, but the government must accept it will always happen, due to human nature. Put in all the penalties you like, it will never stop it.

  • Elitist

    Why not save time waiting for them to offend and just crush any of these cars-
    VK-VT Commondores, Nissan Silvias, GTR’s and GTiR’s, Toyota Supras, XR Fords…

    • Underling

      Hi Elitist how your day,you forgot every Alfa Sudd ever built(there probably none left,there all rusted away)any Fiat over 10 years old and the current Punto for being an absolute ripp off of a ST170.

      • Me

        Any can can go fast. you could easily go 140km/h in a Corolla, so why not ban them too? Actually. Lets ban all cars seeing as they can all kill people.

      • Elitist

        Yes Underling the Ford always had its back lights on top, unlike the Punto which has had it all through late 90s. It also shares the front design from the maserati cause same guy designed it, but you wouldn’t know this cause your used to been told what to like. Try harder next time.

        BTW I have respect for Ford Europe, not Ford America.

  • Paul

    How clueless are these politicians? Like some ‘hoon’ law would’ve saved those kids in the Falcon. The laws in Victoria get more ridiculous by the day but is it actually fixing the problem? Obviously not, those kids were driving a car within the stupid laws.

    How about taking the problem seriously?

    1) Teach kids to driver PROPERLY (so they can have a chance to avoid wrapping themselves around poles)
    2) How about taking the TOUGH action and taking on the auto manufactures about making crash survivable cars that don’t fold up on impact, instead of picking on defenseless kids!
    3) Lets see the authorities in Victoria be the first in the world to RATE traction on tires. Currently there’s no way of telling the difference between the wet weather traction abilities of a cheap tire and tires with reasonable grip.

    Just being a bully authority who picks on kids is plainly moronic!

    • http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

      1) AGree with you there. Better driver training and make it a more comprehensive driving test just to get your license. Also, add in mandatory retesting every 5 years. Road rules change on a regular basis, I bet your grandparents wouldn’t know the road rules as well as a P plater.

      2) Cars these days are safer than any other time in driving history. Why would you attack the car makers for already doing their job? Carmakers like Ford and Subaru who have a good proportion of their line up that are already 5 star safety rated shouldn’t be punished for companies like Holden bringing in 4 star or less crap boxes.

      3) Good idea as well. Let’s set a minimum traction rating for all tyres as well.

    • Mikey

      I agree with your first point.
      But your second point would mean all cars would have a roll-cage, 5point harness for all occupants, & helmets. Even that might not be enough to make a car survivable at 140kmh heading towards a tree, sideways…

      • Callous Aussie

        Not to mention harder to cut the victims out. Rollcages were discussed for production cars many years ago, however there was belief they would make people feel more invulnerable.

        Then of course there is the weight issue, access to the vehicle and the big one of cost. They work great at absorbing impact aginst another vehicle as they shift energy. however a tree doesn’t offer that luxury.

        • Callous Aussie

          As for the comment elsewhere here about tyres, had they had better grip in that car that killed the 5 kids they may well have ended up shoved up the front of some other poor bugger’s car. The tyres weren’t the problem. The driver was. His attitude was.

          In this case the crush a car policy wouldn’t have worked, but police spend some weekends dealing with the same halfwits time and again for hooning. With the knowledge they will lose their car next time they soon pull their heads in. It has already been proven to work overseas, so any suggestion it won’t work here is ridiculous.

          • Callous Aussie

            …and simply confiscation is not the answer either. Some have suggested taking them and selling them at auction. It leaves it too open to corruption. They must be destroyed so no-one can profit from the end result.

    • RK

      The first one is the key. They keep saying “how do we get through to these kids?” Well, training them better when they first get their licences would be a better start than thinking these kids are carefully considering the risk/reward of the hoon laws before they do something dumb.

      The trouble is that apart from anti-drunk/drugged driving campaigns, they seem incapable of driver safety initiatives not tied to speed. THey give people the impression that they are safe drivers if they don’t speed and don’t take alcohol. That right there is the problem.

      • bob

        Agree totally. Why does the Government in Victoria (and NSW) not understand that punitivie measures are NOT useful unless combined with appropriate skilling of drivers to start with. i.e. Driver training.

        They seem to be afraid that they will be teaching kids to drive fast. That’s not my experience of advanced (which by the way i think should be called standard, not advanced) driver training. Its about understanding your vehicle, and understanding the risks and how to manage them.

  • George

    I’m kind of concern about shortage of used cars…..so what happened if the police happen to crush every good used cars? Do we get lighter import rules?

    • http://navelcontemplation.blogspot.com Supercujo

      No, we get more new cars purchased which helps the state government through stamp duty. Indirect revenue raising :)

  • Schmak

    I think these rules are good as it will enforce many to leave the road, especially once they get hit by the second and third offences.
    But it does raise many questions. Rumours are parts would be sold off and the shell only crushed – wouldnt these parts be part of the issue. Why should the car be crushed? What happens if it isnt your fault the car has been impounded – someone else was in control of the vehicle?
    I hope QLD is not taking much notice of this. The police already presume too much when enforcing their current hoon laws. I was nearly done for having lost control of my car when it was due to other conditions (fresh rain, very oily road, retarded auto gearbox) and because I am male it was seen as a deliberate act of hooning. Its far too presumptious. Prior history does not seem to be taken into account, let alone age or modifcations done for the better (bigger brakes etc).
    Its a very brash decision to be so harsh on the minority of ‘hoons’ which will affect the majority of road users. Sadly the nanny state idealogy seems to be taking a strangle hold on all forms of life now.
    Also, I want it known that I do not condone blatant stupidity. There is a time and place for playing with your vehicle: track days, drag strips etc. And these should be utilised. The accident in Vic should and could have been avoided. In QLD there was a very similar tradegy that occured a few years ago that could and should have been avoided and ended the same way. Education is the answer, but getting education out there is very hard as no-one seems to want to assist with setting advanced driver education schools up. Everyone wants it, but no-one is willing to assist.

    • Tom

      i wish every town had the access to track days ect, 6 hour trip if i wanted to go to a track event and if i break my car im stuck there. If there was more events in more towns there would be no need for these laws to get any tougher

      • Schmak

        Nearly in the same boat here. At least a 7 hour return journey to access a track for a track day. Thankfully though, there is a drag strip.

        I do believe that people would almost stop ‘hooning’ completely (there will always be some unfortunately) if proper driving education centres and track days were available in more places. It brings enthusiasts together and allows people to express their love of vehicles, as well as allowing access to better education and a wealth of knowledge from more experienced people.

    • Cupid Stunt

      Smack – you write too much I feel asleep at the second line.

  • http://ngamotorsports.com/ smithlara

    I ahve read this articale. This law makes some people aware what they are doing Specially drug driving.

    Cobalt Supercharged Parts

  • fab

    i dont know how the anti hoon laws work in it’s standard form currently but if you have been caught say twice in 2yrs but don’t get caught say 25 yrs later then will the 3rd strike still apply? yes i do agree that more driver training will help but i still don’t think that it will still stop the carnage (media terminology). the real issue is the mentality of our society that unfortunately also falls into the same problems the british and the americans and that is the cotton wool upbringing of our children. all the risks that are there in growing up are softened by our parents. other european countries ie; germany and france are no where near as conservative as ours. their road systems and way of life are completely different to ours and are able successfully implement a minimum of 130km/ph on french freeways with little or no police and over 180km/ph on autobahns in germany. and it works. it will only work here in a number of generations as the australian mentality on driving needs to change. it does change as i am living proof. no less than six times have i lost my license (none for drink driving)

  • chris

    its a load of crap, the fact that the driver of the car in millpark was 4 times over the legal limit had nothing to do with it. it was hooning that caused it not drink driving. like jimmy richards once said the govnment are a pack of ar#@holes. (slightly modded)

    • Tony

      How can you say drink had nothing to do with it? Drink and speed are the main cause of nearly all road fatalities. The Government should get tough on drink driving and jail people like they do in a lot of Euro countries.The whole thing come back to a cultural problem in our society that it is acceptable to drink and drive, most people dont care and snub their nose at the law because the law is weak.

      • chris

        its called sarcasm dude, read the comment carefully

  • The Real Car Fanatic

    I know they crushed cars in the UK that were unisured to keep dangerous unisured drivers off the road. In 2007 they took down 45,000 cars, don’t see why this wouldn’t stop young people and I don’t many parents would just buy them a new car.

  • Gary

    Wondering whether the Crushing will be the drivers actually owned car or that owned by a third person….Hire companies need to watch out.

  • “james”

    THAT IS ONE SICK BURNOUT!

  • Bad wolf

    As always government picks on the easy target aka “the Hoon”, instead of going after the the real culprit DUI, how about crushing the car of serial offenders.

    My self, I would rather share the road with a Hoon* in a high powered car than an up standing member of society that has had a few to many and decided to drive home.

    *am talking sprited driver not a completed D*ckhead like the one that was on ACA/TT the other night

  • Flow

    Firstly – 45km/h over? I should be 30km/h for P platers.
    Secondly – Compulsory jail for anyone driving whilst suspended. Ditto readings above 0.1 (Yep – build more jails – They’re dickheads)

    Crushing isn’t a deterent if the car is worth $1000…

    • Callous Aussie

      A person’s vehicle is relative to what they can afford. Someone with no money will hurt when their $1,000 car is crushed. Sorry but I can’t agree with your comment.

      • Andrew M

        Not always.

        The person with the $1000 car would usually not have finance on it.

        That crush wouldnt hurt as much as someone who has a 20K car with 15K owing on it

        • Callous Aussie

          It’s still based on afordability. If a person has a loan it is calculated on earnings. The fact remains, I once had a $1000.00 car many years back and if it is your only means of getting about and you are basically broke (hence why you have the bomb) like I was, i’d be shattered if they crushed it.

          I watched them crushing cars on 60 minutes in California (I think) and they made the owner watch. One guy had spebt 45k modding his car and after they crushed he replied “I’ll get another and do it all again”.

          It’s all relative.

  • UMWAHT

    imagine if this happened with expensive vehicles, like your Ferrari or Lambo got crushed

    I’d become a domestic terrorist

  • MJ

    why not sell the car and get money from the sale? Since these high powered cars are LEGALLY sold!

  • http://xx burney storms

    crushing works.. in north cal.usa. 5 years ago we had a problem with drag racing
    with 150/300 cars showing up for street drags on weekends
    nothing works better then watching your mate make car payments every month.
    on a turbo honda that is recycled into beer cans and he is still paying for it
    month after month ! it works

  • Al Juraj

    Crush the driver, not the car.

  • Mikey

    After crushing maybe they should leave the compressed cube of an ex-car on the offenders driveway as an embarrassment & reminder of what happens?

  • Peter

    The government thinks that by increasing the law’s that’s going to fix the problem? WRONG

    It all comes down to education. All teenagers should be required to take mandatory driver education and training.

  • Elitist

    If a hoon gets caught first time they need to change their P Plates to some tacky colour like Bright orange and by law the driver MUST WEAR a helmet when hes driving. This will embaress him and make him look like a retard but serve as a symbol of him having no brain thus needs a thick outter layer to protect whats left.
    Its mainly Holden drivers who tart up their v6′s to look like senators, then hoon around with “For Sale” signs on windows.

    • zahmad

      You have a good point there…I haven’t seen much older Fords being tarted up here in NSW, but a LOT of commodore’s and Hyundai Excels!

    • Schmak

      You must not get out…
      Equal spread of offenders.

      • zahmad

        True, true..

  • zahmad

    Some of you guys just dont get it…P-Platers should not be allowed to carry any passengers. That\’s how it is in NZ with the equivalent Restricted License where you aren\’t even allowed to drive at night…..

    Licenses here are given out way to easily!

  • Davo

    I guess the emotions are still raw over the recent incident.
    There is a minority out there that have made this an issue & it will be a minority that will be affected when these laws are passed, this minority never learn or they do so the hard way,not just this issue but life in general.Regardless of the car being $5000 or $50,000,hooning reflects the values of an individual.
    The night after the five were killed,burnouts could be heard in the distance in Melbourne’s inner west.S@#t for brains.
    There has been talk about MUMS & DADS financing these vehicles,they are morons if they do,at 18-19 I doubt many would be bought any other way.
    No chance of mine financing such a purchase,the response would have been public transport or pushbike & I would not have dreamt of asking or accepting the money.
    It is a bit sad that a 19 year old MEN put futures on hold for the sake of an XR6 or other.It is on finance even if M&D finance it.
    30-40k at 18 is a big debt that will take years to pay back.It is BAD DEBT.
    Find an interest you can finance yourself.
    A DSLR & a couple of fast,high grade lenses might be a start.

  • http://None Vince

    So I can drink and drive, get my car back for ever if caught but if I act like a “hoon”, get caught 3 times, I kiss my car goodbye? Ok.

    • Steve

      Personally, I’d like to see these laws brought across for repeat drink drivers as well.

  • ohreally

    Just so people dont forget.. the hoon laws did impounded M3s; Lambos, AMG mercedes, jag etc.

    Im sure these people WILL care about getting their high powered euro cars crushed into a brick.

    I have seen a car confiscation with my own eyes. Audi RS4 being loaded onto a tow truck… poor bastard!

  • Robert

    About time, crushing cars is working over seas, so bring it here to Australia!

  • JarJar

    To those of you who are getting all fired up about this law, read what it means before you get your knickers in a knot… Your car only gets crushed after the “3rd offence” – this means you would have to strike out 3 times before they turn your beloved vehicle into a giant Rubik’s cube.

    If that isn’t a deterrent for a repeat offender with that sort of record then I don’t know what is.

  • CrustyTheClown

    Its a VERY silly idea.

    Why blame the car, its the driver/operator whos the idiot [For getting caught]

    Repo the car and sell it at auction.

    The money can be put to use to educate these foolish drivers.

    Crushing the car costs money, takes time, transport etc and makes landfill, selling the car [owner can bid] at auction is the best way, win x win

    Maybe they should crush the driver?

  • Safety First

    The problems I see with the law is that it will become a game… The serial Hoons (the ones who drive disqualified and unregistered etc) will simply spend this weeks wages on a $1,000.00 clunker take it out and do their stuff.. get away with it for 3>4 months before it gets crushed and by that time they’ve lined up another clunker. Remember a Cheap VN / EA / or even something out of the 70′s will still do doughnuts and burnouts etc (sure only single line ones) but given where I live and the standard of Hoon cars around (where the Stereo from Super Cheap is worth more than the car) what real efect will this have??
    However, stop spending dollars on advetising (Govco wastes absolute Millions on Advertising rather than a real cure) Stop spending money on speed camera’s that only catch the speeders and start spending dollars on Police and Policing!!
    Also, when you have a person who opens up his own private land in an industrial estate to allow the kids to come and do it in safe enviroment, Applaud him and support him…. Don’t be d/heads and shut him down!! Give people who have a love of burning rubber and a sense of community support to get the hoons off the road…..

  • Chris

    I agree with building giant Rubicks Cubes out of these idiots cars, I also think that when you get your provisional license you should be made to watch a video of someone who has been killed in a car accident being cut out with the sound on! so they can hear any survivors screaming, no more “Gory” suitable for television adds show them what is really going to happen !!

  • Trump

    Make track days cheaper and encourage the hoons to use them!

  • Stevo the Devo

    Instead of crushing their cars, why not just park the cars on their front lawns with a bright pink wheelclamp fitted for periods up to 6 months. The money they save on fuel will pay for the fine. That way they lose the use of their car and as an added bonus they won’t go out and steal someone else’s car the next night. The last thing we want to do is to turn a hoon into a career criminal – it costs $100K + per year to keep someone locked up – money which would be better used for schools and hospitals.

    And if you think that your car is unstealable, think again as any car can be started with a crowbar in less than 20 seconds.