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Reports of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota Avalon without floor mats

By Tim Beissmann |

The owner of a US-specification 2007 Toyota Avalon has reportedly experienced sudden unintended acceleration (SUA) in his vehicle which was not fitted with a floor mat.

The Safety Report blog reported that on December 29, the New Jersey man’s Toyota accelerated along the highway without his input and could not be stopped by the brakes alone.

He could shift the vehicle between drive and neutral and did this as the engine revved at full throttle with his foot on the brake.

He called a local Toyota dealer who was only about four kilometres away and alerted them that he would be arriving with the uncontrollable vehicle soon.

When he got there he parked his Avalon with the engine still at full throttle and the dealer service inspected it. They unsuccessfully attempted to reduce the engine’s revs by forcing the accelerator pedal before shutting the car down.

The vehicle was later inspected by the Toyota regional representative who authorised and paid for a replacement of the throttle body and accelerator pedal assemblies and sensors.

No error codes had been stored on the vehicle’s computer, but the removed parts were taken to California for further analysis.

The dealer did not confirm that it had identified the cause of the problem but was willing to give the repaired car back to the owner.

Toyota has always denied that an electronically-induced case of SUA could occur without the in-vehicle computer recording a Diagnostic Trouble Code.

The Safety Report also reported on a suspicious one-car crash in Dallas on Boxing Day last year, where all four occupants of a 2008 Avalon died after their vehicle ran off the road and landed upside-down in a pond. The floor mats of this car were stored in the boot before the crash.

There is no evidence that SUA was to blame for this crash, but the rising number of instances and mounting public pressure has encouraged Toyota to open their investigations to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

Last year Toyota recalled 3.8 million vehicles in the US to replace their floor mats and accelerator pedals, the largest ever recall by the brand.

The recall and associated SUA issue does not affect Toyotas models purchased in Australia.


 
  • The Other Brad

    Thought they’d figured out already that the acceleration problem caused by either the floor mat problem or some electronic screw-up with the accelerator pedal?

    Bl to the four people that died =(

    And this is Toyota USA only cars right or is it that the only reports of this fault have happened in the USA and could potentially occur elsewhere?

    • David T

      A manufacturing fault would be likely to be confined to a single market, but a design fault (like this is likely to be) would be very widespread and could be an international dissaster for Toyota.

      • The Other Brad

        After looking about it looks as though it’s a US only problem since there’s a few press releases about it on the US Toyota pressroom website and nothing on the Australian pressroom website.

  • lazybones

    At least the driver had a brain and put the car in netural

    • OzeWander

      At least the manufacturer had a brain and didnt implement a neutral lockout when the car is moving!

    • Fenno

      turning the car off in extreme cases might just reduce the speed of impact…no good if on windy roads though.

  • Simo

    The recent floor mat recall might be just be a cover up to much larger problem with the onboard electronic maybe?

    • Andrew M

      Im taking it you are role playing with a bit of sarcasm intended???

  • Andrew M

    There always was the rumour that it was something more than the floor mats.

    I love the bit how they said SUA wasnt ocurring because the computer said no.
    Reminds me of the Little Brittan sketch where the “Computer says NO”

  • UMWAHT

    holy hell is that the ugliest car you’ve ever seen or what

    • Andrew M

      Take it you havent stumbled onto the latest “sporty prius” article yet then???

      • My Eyes!

        Or anything from Subaru in the last 2 years. My eyes! These endless design language changes do nothing!!

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Or I guess you haven’t seen a Ssangyong Stavic either UMWAHT! ;-)

      • Andrew M

        Yep, thats another one…..

        This is certainly one of the blandest cars, but dont confuse bland with ugly.

        This is put you to sleep styling, not WTF styling

        • Callous Aussie

          Agreed Andrew. Dead set boring. At least Toyota gave our local lads the go ahead to break away from that car and do the Aurion which I personally think is the best looking passnger car in Toyota’s range at the moment.

          • David T

            Remembering the Aurion is just a Camry with different bumpers/lights/grills etc, and that the body panels are unchanged, I think that they did a far bettert job than the original.

        • John

          I quite like the Avalon’s elegant styling. Why does everyone say its ugly? Toyota should build more well proportioned automobiles like Avalon.

  • Safety First

    Now before I say this, my thoughts do go out to the families of those hwo have died…
    However no one has mentioned that these sudden increases in speed were actuallyrelated to the vehicles going down hill…….. OMG the actually reached the National speed limit… Too fast for the average Toyota driver :-o …. (lol)

    • Andrew M

      Maybe in some cases, ill take your word for it.
      But this one was doing it whilst sitting idle out the front of the dealership.

      I do wonder how he got it back to the dealership though…
      Surely he wasnt just slamming it in and out of neutral all the way to the dealer????

  • Save it for the track

    Aside from putting the car in neutral, why not just switch it off and pull up slowly to the kerb?? Can even be done on a freeway. (been there done that)

  • Save it for the track

    Of course I forgot to add for any Yanks that might be reading, just turn the key back to the Acc position and not completely off, so you can still steer.

    • phase3

      in defense of toyota (and it pains me to do this…) the first lexus crash, and i’m assuming this avalon too, had a start button instead of a regular ignition.

      car & driver (or some other american magazine) found that the start button in any toyota needed a complete 3 second hold-down before the computer decided “yes, you really want to shut down the engine”, as opposed to the honda (i think) system that recognised 3 quick presses of the button as a sign that you wanted to shut the car down. the toyota system also didn’t have an override where if the brake was pressed with the throttle open, the computer ignored the contrary input like VW (amongst others) does – which is a good thing to have – stops all those left-foot brakers driving the whole way with their brake lights lit up. i think toyota are “rectifying” this quick smart.

      and the “design flaw” with the floor mats only affected left-hand drive vehicles because the accelerator is against the inside tunnel, giving less room there. or something like that.

      having said all that, surely putting the car in neutral the obvious thing to do, even under duress…

  • Pablo

    I’d expect a bit more than the “throttle body and accelerator pedal assemblies and sensors” to be replaced if the engine had been bouncing off it’s rev-limiter for 10 or 15 minutes.
    How about a new engine for starters.

  • dangerous toyota

    toyota/Lexus are dangerous…
    I don’t wanna die….

  • Control Blade

    OH !!! What a feeling !!!!!! Runaway Toyota !! How many more will there be? And this is a near new model, not an old Explorer.

    • Safety First

      Was waiting for that :-)
      The most dangerous thing in the Explorer history wasn’t even made by Ford…. Thank you MR Firestone………….
      Yet Ford got sued and payed the piper…

      • spellbound

        So true, but it was ford’s idea to save money by fitting the cheaper lower speed rated tyre when speed limits had been raised over 60mph, firestone would have been aware too.

        Both paties must share the guilt like in this case some supplier should be bought to justice.

  • t

    why is our aurion SOOOOOO much better looking, that thing is terrible!!!!!

    and one car in 10 million has an issue and it becomes international news.

    god it must be a slow news week!

  • HyundaiSmoke

    A lot of Toyota units are affected here in the States, and that makes it such a big deal. Its enough to put all Toyota models in Jeopardy of a Global recall.

    Forget Toyota, BUY A KIA!!!

    • The Other Brad

      If it’s a fault in Toyota’s only manufactured in the US then there’s little point recalling those manufactured in other countries..

      • Matt

        But what if its a software glitch and not a manufacturing fault? Been plenty of speculation that is the case…

        • The Other Brad

          Is the same software used across all cars regardless of the country they’re built in?

          Can speculate forever though without knowing all the facts.

  • ohreally

    So… they are trying to make avalons are more exciting drive?

  • John

    Such beautiful and elegant styling, far more attractive than our over-the-top, gaudy and pretentious Aurion. Why does the U.S. get all the good models like Avalon, Sienna and Tacoma, yet we don’t?

    • Camry lover

      Yes, the Avalon is a thoroughly attractive automobile.

  • HyundaiSmoke

    About a million Chinese Toyotas have been recalled as well.

  • HyundaiSmoke

    A few other governments including the UK have them under investigation, so dont be shocked if it happens to you as well.

  • HyundaiSmoke

    Its in Lexus models as well. Quite a few Lexus/Toyota models are affected, a lot of Camrys got recalled. Theres no reports of Scion, Subaru, or Daihatsu problems yet.

  • http://aca 10 Million Recalled Ford’s

    Ford is recalling 10 million vehicles worldwide because of faulty and dangerous cruise control units. The runaway Ford Explorer in Melbourne should serve as a reminder.

    • Never let the truth get in the way

      The Melbourne incident is totally unrelated to the recall (which was because of a faulty supplier product anyway).

      • Safety First

        Yes funny how a recall to prevent dash fires somehow translates into a folk law as being death traps….

  • Camry lover

    Fords are EXTREMELY unreliable and poor-quality automobiles. This only proves that

  • HyundaiSmoke

    Ford is getting better, its better than Toyota now in the States in the reliability dept, but not as good as Hyundai yet. Even VW and Chevy are on the verge of passing Toyota. US Focus is still their most unreliable prouct though.

    You guys are really losing it. Dont become GM #2.

  • MJ

    I think one of my friend’s car (Honda Jazz) cant be put into Neutral when its moving!

    The government should now mandate that any car being sold must be able to be put into Neutral gear, for situations like this!!!!

    No more clever tricks like “drive by wire transmission and not being able to shift into Neutral while the car is moving” for goodness sake!

    • Safety First

      On the other hand, what is wrong with pulling the car back to third or second or first even??? Can be done on all Trans and if the engine hits the limiter it will lose power….Thus losing drive. If you blew your gearbox up, at least you would live to complain about it..
      The thing with being a responsible driver, the way I was taught, was to have several palns of action in your mind incase the first plan fails..

  • HyundaiSmoke

    As a Hyundai guy I actually want Lexus and Toyota to have good products to duke it out with Hyundai and KIA. That only makes Hyundai/KIA better and stronger, but you guys are making our jobs easy, too easy.

    As if you guys have some plan up your sleeves.

    • Tinman

      You really need to get off the Hyundai Smoke, it’s affecting your spacial perception. I also sense some paranoia creeping in.

  • fyi

    ‘Toyota found to keep tight lid on potential safety problems’
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-secrecy23-2009dec23,0,557792,full.story

  • john

    Well looks like toyota will be slipping down the shute shortly then.