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Ford’s CEO has given the strongest indication yet that the all-Australian Falcon could be dead within five years.

Speaking at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Alan Mulally said his company was committed to its “ONE Ford” strategy, which allows for just one global large car platform.

“People who make one vehicle for one country – a different vehicle – those days are gone because you can’t compete with the global companies, and Ford’s going to be a powerhouse globally,” Mr Mulally said, confirming that a new Falcon exclusively for the Australian market was out of the question.

He reassured that Australia was not simply being left out in the cold, but insisted that developing a global platform was a far more viable option for the future of the company.

“Around the world now, the things that are driving every purchase decision are quality, fuel efficiency, safety, smart design and the best value.

“Australia is a very important market for us and we’ve worked hard to be competitive.

“No matter what, we’re going to serve the Australian market,” Mr Mulally said.

But he would not say for sure whether Ford planned to continue to build the Falcon in Australia beyond the current model life, which is expected to last another five years.

Ford Australia President, Marin Burela, told Fairfax he is hopeful the Australian-made Falcon – which sold just 31,032 units in 2009 – will have a future despite the ONE Ford strategy.

“The all-new Falcon doesn’t have to come into play until the end of 2014, early 2015, and we don’t have to make a decision until 2011 on what that vehicle will be, in terms of styling, technologies…”

The most likely replacement for the Falcon would be the American-made Ford Taurus, a front-wheel drive vehicle similar in size and performance.

Mr Mulally confirmed the Taurus was a likely candidate for Australia if local production ceased.

But he said another option could be that Ford Australia would help develop the rear-wheel drive platform for Mustang muscle car, which could form the base of a new Falcon, continuing an Australian manufacturing tradition of more than 55 years by that time.

“You can imagine another new platform, just like the Falcon, that’s going to be rear-wheel drive for Mustang, so you can imagine driving the ONE Ford we’re going to have every one of those, and so there’s no reason why we can’t have it in Australia,” he said.

The announcement follows yesterday’s unveiling of the Focus small car, which – under the same ONE Ford strategy – will be sold in 122 different markets around the world.

(with Fairfax, The Australian)


  • fxh555

    Disappointing news – if Ford decided to shut up shop, they’d lose me as a customer. It’d be no different to any other import on the market.

    • Rhys

      I second that, my current Falcon would be my last.

      • Rhys

        And what would happen to all the other variants like XR series the Ute series and FPV.

        • Golfschwein

          FPV could do a Taurus SHO to keep them in business.

      • mh2408

        same. I won’t buy anothe Ford if that happens

      • Minnow

        If ford drop the falcon id have no choice but to buy a commodore… :’(

        I call dibs on the last inline 6 aussie Falcon!!

    • David T

      I think that this story is a bit missleading.
      It you look at what the Ford bosses have said, I agree with the interpretation of other media, in that this is the end of the Uniquely Australian designed Falcon, NOT the end of Australian manufacturing by Ford.
      The days of unique cars designed and built in Australia are over (for both Ford and GM), what we will get in the future is global cars with minor (up to 25%) localisation.

      • Callous Aussie

        Where does it say “up to 25% localisation”?

        • David T

          Alan Mulally has said that Ford’s global cars under the “One Ford” program would only be allowed “up to 25% localisation” – doesn’t mean it will be 25%, or even 1%, it just means than it “can” be.

          GM WILL do similar things for smaller markets like Australia, with (for example) Commodore not to ever receive another all new model.

          • Andrew

            According to carsguide i read yesterday that holden have already started designing the all new commodore, the one that will replace the VF (if thats what it’s going be called)

      • fxh555

        Fair point David around any ambiguity in the article. I could stomach a locally-assembled Taurus/Falcon (AWD preferable), but if it simply rolls of the ship, then it’s no different to any other import. I just think that local-made is a big selling point for me.

        • David T

          Agreed, it can be the deciding factor, but it is not the only consideration. At the end of the day the product still has to be suitable (and Commodore & Falcon both are good cars for the money).

          In shopping a 4 cyl, I don’t think that Cruze (currently imported) or Camry stack up in a busy sector of the market.

  • JEKYL & HYDE

    didn’t we have this car before? how did it go?…

    • David T

      Only in name only – this is an all new design from the chasis up (prety sure anyway).

    • jon

      But it wasn`t the only choice last time was it? There was still the Falcon to compete but its goneeeeeeeeeeee.

      • David T

        Don’t bet on it!
        The next Falcon (and there WILL be one) will be based on something that no-one has seen yet.
        It will be the next generation model, will look different to it’s US Taurus cousin, will be built in Australia, and will be a “Falcon”.
        It will, however, be 75-90% common to the US version of Ford’s global large car.

        • jon

          Doubt it, all the Major companies have global cars and so will Ford, as I have been saying for awhile, its not economically viable to build cars in this country. I don`t doubt Australia will play a part in the car but considering we aren`t a very big market the Final say will rest with the US and so it should as it is an American Company.

          • Andrew M

            Importing a Falcon replacement isnt the only viable option.
            The biggest issue isnt so much the labour costs, but rather the development costs.
            The Falcon would be strengthened by platform sharing which was mentioned as a real possibility

          • jon

            Just accept it the Falcon days are numbered. The innovative will be offered jobs and unfortunately the rest will be looking for jobs elsewhere. Its just an unfortunate outcome of a what I believe to be the right direction for this company.

          • Joker

            My Bet is, the next Falcon will be developed on the new Mustang platform and that Like Holden, Ford AU will play a key part in developing it.
            Mulally can’t ignore the fact that we make a better RWD than America.

  • Genesis Coupe

    Never a big fan of Falcon but sad see one of great aussie base car to be ceased.

    But if they bring AWD Taurus into Australia with affordable price then I will be interested to buy one.

  • david

    If ford australia ditchs the falcon for a fwd taurus there sales will drop to nothing ! You may as well buy a toyota camery . Long live the falcon

    • Matt

      Read some reviews of the SHO Taurus, all pretty good

      • Myke

        Really? Because the reviews I’ve read say the Taurus is too heavy and it doesn’t handle well, it understeers, is nose-heavy and the brakes aren’t great. The Taurus is not, nor will it never be better than the Falcon.

  • The Oracle

    One Ford is fine, as long as it is the Falcon structure they use. It would be better than any fwd/awd chassis from the US. Ford Aus have demonstrated they can engineer an excellent awd/rwd chassis. It would improve the Mustang which still uses a live axle! But the yanks didn’t invent it so they won’t use it.

    • David T

      Yep, they even engineered the last ‘Stang to have the Falcon IRS rear end, but the US “traditionalists” canned it, and they had to re-engineer for the live axle.

      • Richo

        sorry but that’s crap mate, the mustang was always getting a live axle to SAVE MONEY! no other reason, everyone hates it, even the mustang traditionalists because the car handles like rubbish. It’s these kinds of Ford US management decisions that will soon start impacting on the next falcon… oh yay!

        • David T

          Sorry Richo, but you ARE WRONG.
          Go read one on the hundreds of stories and blogs on US sites that detail how the whole process unfolded.

          Mustang was engineered for Falcons IRS rear end, on to then have to be re-engineered for the live axle, predominantly for the “drag racing” croud. Cost saving was given as an excuse at the time, but the re-engineering costs won’t be recovered because per-unit cost saving is so small.

          Richo, at least do a little research befor shooting your mouth off and slandering others, please.

        • Matt

          The initial reason was to save money… was predicted to cost an extra $100 per car to use the IRS from the Falcon, but then the money Ford US spent on improving the live axle cost an estimated $97 anyway lol

  • Callous Aussie

    This has been on the cards for quite a while . Sales haven’t been good and the large car market is declining. I reckon there is a fair chance that this has a lot to do with why Ford Australia decided not to tool up for small car production. Because their future here is uncertain.

    First Nissan, then Mitsubishi. Ford next? Then Holden? Toyota would follow suit as the parts manufacturers would close too. Whilst not a huge fan of Ford vehicles I still wouldn’t want to see the end of an era here in Australia. But maybe it won’t come to that.

    However after the crash in the USA the big three are being forced by the USA government to become more efficient. In this day and age efficiency means 100,000 plus vehicles annually rolling of the line. Falcon and Commodore will never see those numbers again.

    RWD means added weight and in a world where we are heading towards major gains in efficiency RWD no longer makes sense in passenger sedans. How many are used for towing now? Everyone who owns a van or trailer buys hilux type vehicles or larger 4×4′s.

    • Matt

      Good point about the associated suppliers, they would be in trouble.

      And strong Aussie / weaker US dollar would have something to do decisions on where vehicles are manufactured too – Merc have added manufacturing of more cars (eg C class) in the US with the dollar looking to be weak for some time.

    • Andrew M

      I still dont get your RWD means less efficient angle.

      RWD Falcon beats FWD accord and Maxima for economy, and matches Aurion.
      Commodore thanks to improvements is up there too showing the FWD’s about the economy myth

      • Devil’s Advocate

        Maybe he means more efficient when it comes to space/packaging etc? Just a thought… :-)

        • Andrew M

          Doubt it,
          I know hs angles.

          He also mentions weight which means the fuel type of efficiency

      • Kenn

        Cost of manufacturing is lower in FWD. As well as significant weight reduction in FWD due to not having the drive shaft & rear wheel suspension configuration. A day to day driving & occasional long distance driving there is no practical difference between FWD & RWD, due to significant improvements in the chassis & suspension designs. Another factor is the active stability & traction control also have resulted in improvements in handling in FWD cars. I have driven the Aurion, Falcon & Commodore there are no practical differences in day to day driving either one of these cars. In US FWD Toyota Camary has been the best selling car till 2008( mire than 500k units sole per year. High fuel consumptions was one factor GM shelved the RWD platform for US models.

        • Andrew M

          I believe that would be of the passenger car range.

          The #1 seller is actually a RWD/4×4 vehicle

          Day to day motoring, yep, not really noticable, but from the same platform comes performance models, utilities, and an SUV not to mention the towing with the falcon which is a sweet spot.

          That is where RWD wins, and its a little heavier in OZ than you may think

      • Matt

        What they mean by FWD being more efficient than RWD is the weight & cost saving it would bring in the same car, not comparing it to other cars. A Falcon or Commodore that was FWD would be a decent amount lighter than the current RWD configurations, and I’m assuming there would be less power loss through the drivetrain before the power got to the wheels.

        • Jeremy

          FWD is better than RWD simply in costs production and it allows for better space efficiency in the rear seating (especially). FWD (and I am a fan of it by the way) will always come out second best in a high powered family car because of a simple concept called torque-steer. So while there may be less power loss through the driveline of a FWD falcon/commodore, it would actually be much slower in acceleration because it lacks the traction benefits of a rwd chassis.

  • Callous Aussie

    It has been the value for money equation in both Falcon and Commodore that has forced importers to keep their prices competitive too. If it went to no local industry we would all pay for it.

  • DGS

    If Ford go ahead and drop RWD sedans and wagons from their range it will be an act of great generosity to Holden. There is a strong market in Australia for RWD cars. Ford will be giving that market to Holden.

    Perhaps Ford will demand the government step in and see that Holden also convert the Commodore to FWD so they don’t have an unfair sales advantage. GM would have to be fools to follow Fords lead voluntarily.

    There are heaps of good FWD cars on the market under $40,000. If you want RWD you can choose a Falcon or Commodore, maybe the base model BMW too.

    • Callous Aussie

      Most people who buy cars don’t know the difference except us car enthusiasts. Most just get in and turn the key. The “strong market” you refer to has been in a major decline for a decade. Commodore and Falcon once sold 12,000 vehicles between them a month. In less than 8 years it is half that.

      Ford won’t hand anything to holden and vise-versa. Ford lovers will always be ford lovers and vice-versa. If Ford pull out of RWD vehicles their buyers will go after SUV / 4×4 vehicles instead. that is those that want to tow of coure. Everyone else will simple go to the Taurus or whatever model it is replaced with. It may even be badged a Falcon. Ford Australia have mentioned fwd on several occassions already. The writing is on the wall. I reckon Holden will follow suit.

    • jon

      Just cut the tax payers funding off that will fix both of them.

  • Pablo

    I can’t see Holden making the Cruze here.
    They have already delayed the start date by 12 months, but they will eventually pull the pin.
    Making small cars in Australia without an export plan doesn’t add up.

    • Callous Aussie

      They have an export plan.

      • Pablo

        Which country would be keen to get their hands on a mid-sized car made in Australia? South Korea maybe…

        • Muse

          Don’t the Sth Koreans make it themselves though?

    • filippo

      I agree. Why would Holden go ahead assembling the Cruze hatch in Australia if it will end up costing thousands more than the sedan due to Australia’s higher labour costs? Holden buyers have already come out in support of the Daewoo products so there seems nothing to be gained in having an expensive local production line.

  • Matt

    Big Al was saying no special RWD platform for AU only, just one global large car RWD platform, such as the C segment platform that is the base for the Focus, Kuga, C-Max, etc. Could be engineered here like Holden did the Zeta platform for GM, who knows?

    Anyways, read some reviews of the new Taurus from the US, specifically the SHO version, all pretty glowing – NOTHING like the thing they tried to sell here years ago, which people in the US say was about the worst Taurus ever.

  • spellbound

    Callous has hit the nail on its head , pure economics , the large car market has shrunk dramatically ,and whats left is 70% to 80% fleet sales .

    The fleet market wont give a toss if its fwd or rwd , pure economics .

    Sad to say but the next rwd will have to spin off some US model , and probably will end up being US built , and that applies to ford and GM .

  • Jerrett WRIDER

    The ford ute is a Falcon so does this mean it is to be discontinued, like the falcon sedans???

    • Falcon_Crazy

      Sure does – dont forget that Ford is heavily involved in the next generation Ranger, although as a 2 Falcon Ute owner…may have to make way for a third in a few years!!!

    • Matt

      And the Territory is based on the platform too…

      • David T

        Google “Ford Edge” for the ready made replacement. I think that this is based on the Taurus platform.

        • Safety First

          However Explorer is also RWD and the raight size for Tezza. It is also now a unibody construction…
          However tall all thawould think thast the edge would be a bad thing, I’d wager that they’d happily own a CX9 though ;-p (lol)

  • Falcon_Crazy

    Not unexpected, but as many have said, its not all over for Falcon. Like many cars, it will enjoy a global platform and benfit from global scale in engineering, including, importantly, engineering by Australia. There is still room for RWD within the Ford Family, just not an 80% plus engineered Falcon.

    My current FG Falcon is a great drive – 45,000km in 15 months – 8.4l/100km and driven with much enthusiam. Even my mates who drive Euro and are die hard Red Holden fans comented on just how good this current Falcon is.

    Interesting times ahead – in the meantime, i will enjoy my FG Ute and BA Utes for years to come. Looks like i beter start saving for a keeper when the last of True BLue Falcons rolls down the line at Broady

    • Andrew M

      Ive had 4 Falcon utes, and I too would be rushing for the last mod if it came to that.
      The FG is a great drive

      • jon

        I suggest ordering one now, it might be coming sooner than you think.

        • Falcodore

          jon’s right, get one now. It will mean less people buying Toyotas and that can only be a good thing : )

  • Andrew

    It’s a pity that the decision makers at Ford are one-eyed Americans, if they had any grasp of logic they would try and adopt the Falcon as the international large car platform for Ford. You would have a better chance of competing with the established european brands in europe with an improved Falcon than a Taurus and with a little convincing, you would probably have a better chance of marketing a RWD in America to those still requiring a large car.

    • Falcodore

      They’ve been trying to kill the Falcon for years and it looks like they finally got their wish.

      On a side note, if the Falcon goes FWD does that means that V8SC will have to change the criteria for entry or will it just be a one make series?

      • Andrew M

        Wake up Falcadore, as of next year it will be a one make series (or should I say one sided series.

        Holden will now fill 2/3rds of the field securing the top 2 teams, and the Holden boss has said he will settle for nothing less than total domination filling all the podium spots with no Falcon in sight.

        I think Mcnamara is a nob, and I hope Ford sneek the first win just so he looks silly.
        Im over their win at all cost attitude

        • Falcodore

          I dont know, i think JBR will still be competitive and Frosty has shown promise and speed. FPR just need to get their act together regarding reliability but ,yeah, it will be hard to beat 888 and HRT.

          • Andrew M

            FPR isnt consistant.
            And its DJR, not JBR.

            DJR will be competitive, but they cant hold up the fort on their own.
            They were pretty much the back up team to 888.
            if 888 were out, DJR were there putting their solid run to the top.

            DJR are also set to be back on Fords funding list too incase you hadnt heard that one yet. DJR is also listed as fielding 3 cars, so too FPR.
            DJR has Webb down as their 3rd entrant

            On the red side BJR will also be strong next year, and so too PMM with both signing some pretty good talent.
            GRM also picks up a few more dollars with Fujitsu paying them for new paint work.

          • Falcodore

            No, i hadn’t heard DJR (is that better?) secured Ford funding, thats good news. Also PMM have a technical alliance with 888, so with Murph having a competitive car he will be keen to get some podium finishes.

      • Devil’s Advocate

        It shouldn’t make any difference to what it is now as the V8SC is so far removed from the donor car it is not funny. Even now only a small handful of components that fit the road car will fit the race car. The “Holden” and “Ford” V8SCs have more in common with each other than they do with the road cars they represent.

        • Falcodore

          At least the Race cars look like the road cars and share parts and panels, unlike NASCAR. If V8SC goes the path of NASCAR i think i will stop watching, those things have absolutely no commonality with the cars they supposedly represent.

          • Devil’s Advocate

            Yes, at least they still look like the road car, however the race car only shares a small number of panels (IIRC front door skins, bootlid, bonnet and rear qtr panel) and the dash pad with the road car. The bodyshell is different with both race cars sporting a lower roofline and shorter rear door to the road car. Underneath that bodyshell there is hardly a single component that carries over from the road car. Both the “Holden” and “Ford” race cars have the same suspension and brake components with the engine the only component of the whole drive train that is different.

          • Falcodore

            Yes i know that DA, I’m just saying that V8SC have more in common with the road car than other touring car championships or NASCAR. I mean where in the world can you buy a V8 RWD Camry that runs a carburettor? Same goes for the Ford Fusion and Impala.

          • Devil’s Advocate

            I guess Falcodore you will be able to buy a V8 Carby RWD Camry, Fusion and Impala the same place you would be able to buy a short wheelbase VE Commodore and FG Falcon with a 5L V8, 6 speed manual sequential gearbox, a Watts link live rear axle and a VE with double wishbone front suspension… TIC ;-)

  • Falcodore

    Hopefully the next Falcon will be based on the next Mustang platform and Ford Oz will have a big hand in developing it. It doesn’t make sense to develop an all-new RWD platform for just one car, but it does make sense to develop multiple cars off the one platform.

    Lets just hope that MB can convince Mullally that basing the Falcon (and for that matter, the Territory) on a FWD platform would be the death of Ford Oz.

    • t

      falcon has been lightyears ahead of crapstang for a decade or 2!!

      mustang should be based ON FALCON, better steering, better suspension ( especially the irs in falcon )

      mustang = live rear axle…. see what top gear and fifth gear say about it…. ITS CRAP!!! ( oh… typical american car…. DONT YANKS HAVE CORNERS??? )

  • J

    I am not a big fan of anything american, but at least they are patriotic about everything including there automotive industry! We all say by australian for food, apparel etc… Its about time people acknowledge the value for money our local cars offer and buy australian. To Labor, liberal, federal and state, raise the tarrifs on these imported cars and save our industry and the thousands of jobs that will be affected.

  • Westy

    So how many glowing praises have we seen on USA made cars on Top Gear UK? I don’t think I have seen one and I doubt that will change. C’mon Al, don’t screw us over and kill off the Falcon. You guys need to adopt what we have over there rather than the other way around. Front wheel drive = yuk city, torque steer etc etc……

  • filippo

    Before resurrecting it’s global mantra and trying to push its inferior products onto the world (Explorer and Taurus come to mind), Ford US should be reminded that if it wasn’t for its operations outside of the US – most notably the extremely successful operations in Europe – that Ford would have been begging Mr Obama for money just like GM and Chrysler did.

    • Andrew M

      I partially agree, but dont forget that it was Mullaly that called the shots which lead to Ford coming out of the GFC on their own merit, and he is US based

      • jon

        Don`t forget its an American Company, not an Australian one.

        • Andrew M

          Whats your point??

          • jon

            My point is, the decision will be in the best interests of America. The profitable companies have a car that is sold world wide, not one that is sold to a country that sell about 31000 Falcons a year and with the majority going to Fleets. Lets not forget most people driving Falcons on the road wouldn`t care what they are driving.

          • Andrew M

            Not true,
            People who dont care what they are driving buy toyotas (the recognised default choice vehicle)

            Falcon can still be made viable, even on RWD, even though you like to believe not

  • Andrew M

    Sure the Taurus may be a good car nowdays, but Ford may as well forget it if they think it will succeed as an Australian substitute.

    Ford will easily lose 4000 odd sales/month if the Falcon platform folds.

    Lets hope the Global RWD platform that got put on ice prior to the GFC gets defrosted.
    The article actully suggests it as a suitable/viable option.

    At least their isnt a Yank at the helm of Ford Aus. In these times of sticking up for yourselves, rest assured MB will be putting his best in.
    Dont be surprised if MB pulls the pin if he doesnt get a comfortable decision.

    MB has previously shown he understands the Aussie market, now he has to convince the honchos.

    Falcon is the longest name plate in OZ.
    Falcon or forget it.
    Lets hope they are taking our words to the top

    • jon

      Considering the numbers of Falcons sold I doubt they will even care. Its a business decision, its nothing personal. The best the Aussies can hope for is being able to have a say in its styling.

      • Andrew M

        Damn right its a bussiness decision.
        If Ford can the Falcon in OZ, there wont be any business left here for them to decide upon.

        Emotions and the personl side will affect the business side.

        Fords assembly plants are back to capacity, and the profits are starting again.

        The fact is there will be a new RWD platform.
        Mullally even said the RWD platform will be like the Falcon platform.

        Is this a test of the waters??

        • jon

          But Ford Aus doesn`t make a profit, they haven`t for years They need to do this to compete, its the right move whether you like it or not.

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            You have no idea as you comments are only fuelled by your hate for Ford.
            Fact is they will lose many sales if this blown out of proportion news headline does go ahead.

            No Falcon = no Ford AUS, not even imports would be worth their time here.

            If they want to become a powerhouse, they need to realise they wont be a patch on the aussie market with out Falcon.
            Not even Taurus manufactured here will cut it.

            Best case is for Falcon and Mustang to jump onto their original plan and and share a new global RWD base. There is even talk of Ford Aus supplying the same platform for the Lincoln.

            To me its the only logical solution.

            People buy Falcon based products for a reason. Any substitute far from the original recipe will go nowhere

          • Tomas79

            Too Right Jon!!

            LOL @ Hysterical Andrew M,
            “No Falcon = no Ford AUS, not even imports would be worth their time here.”

            Hmmm, so how do all the other brands survive in Australia??

          • jon

            No they are not Andrew, it just makes economic sense. The next Falcon will be a Global car and will be FWD and AWD .

          • jon

            Hey Tomas79, they just couldn`t be told could they? I mean the man at the top is telling them and they still don`t get it.

          • Tomas79

            Too Right Jon, We told them so!!!

          • jon

            You can`t wipe the smile off my face. RIP Falcon.

          • Ben

            lmao they have so, they made a profit in the last quarter of 2009 n so did ford usa for the 1st time in 6 years

          • jon

            No Ben thats Tax payers money, that isn`t profit.

          • Callous Aussie

            Heaven forbid anyone should speak against your blatant love affair with Ford Andrew.

            It may not have occured to you but some of us so-called Ford haters would much rather they soldier on. This just might be the beginning of the end of the Australian vehicle manufacturing industry. You need to get over yourself.

            The Falcon really isn’t the great vehicle you think it is. That’s why it isn’t selling. 35k entry price for a car with as much power and more equipment than many Europeans and they can’t sell it. Perception is a big part of buyer’s choice. Most people just simply don’t see this car as value anymore. I was once a fan of the Falcon myself. That’s right Andrew .ME. The alledged Holden lover. I couldn’t give a rats for the Commodore either for the same reason.

            For too long Holden and Ford leeched off the Australian motorists with sub-standard vehicles. They both got their sh!t together too late and are now paying for it. It isn’t about hating Ford. it’s just reality. Toyota build some pretty bland cars, but have almost 25 percent of the vehicle market here in Australia. Reliability? Maybe. Saturation advertising? Definitely.

            Hyundai are following their lead. Heaps of advertising coincided with the biggest growth of any manufacturer last year. Ford have themselves to blame for the Falcon’s sales woes. How long can it possibly take to develop a frigging diesel engine? LPG dedicated is NOT the answer. many people still fear the stuff. many more believe it affects boot space regardless of whether it does or not.

            Almost every other manufacturer is bringing in increasing numbers of diesel cars. The Falcon and Commodore should have had diesel engines a couple of years back. They are extremely slow to react to consumer demands. just like their American parents. No wonder they are in trouble. Ford can thank their lucky stars they had so many external companies to sell off. Had they not ,I reckon the local branch would have been in serious poo already.

            I understand that you must be rather peeved by the news today Andrew but taking it out on anyone that speaks in a negative manner about Ford is ridiculous. I reckon I’ll get at least negative 20 votes (maybe 40) from the fanboys but that’s fine. I have only just finished laughing at last night’s effort so I need a recharge.

          • Callous Aussie

            Oh and they didn’t hit the mark with female drivers either. Every single ad on TV for Falcons shows a male driver with a woman looking out the window. Women drive cars too. Almost half of all the cars on the road infact.

            Not only do women drive cars, they often have the final say in purchase.

            Not very clever ford.

            Their advertising staff need sacking straight up.

    • Andrew

      Don’t they have to sell 4000 Falcons a month to loose the sales ?

      Unless your talking all Falcon derivative sales?

      • David T

        Clearly everyone knows that plant volume is the discussion, but you feel the need to post a silly snide remark anyway.

        BTW look at the volume of local builds that both Ford and Holden do and it’s pretty lineball, with less than 2000 units per annum, and closing fast.

        • Andrew

          Yes but Holden does it with one Model line up Ford with 2.

          • Safety First

            Hmmm Commodore, Ute and Statesman Vs Falcon, Ute and Territory???
            Pedantic I know but still the facts are the facts

          • David T

            Holden: SWB sedan, LWB sedan, Wagon, Ute.
            Ford SWB sedan, LWB Wagon, AWD Wagon, Ute.

            4 vs 4, check your maths (and your understanding of the local car industry).

  • Gazza

    Don’t worry, the Falcon will continue to be built in Australia.
    This is Alan Mulally’s way of getting some money out of the Krudd and his Kronies.
    When it comes to the time that the Falcon needs a major upgrade, Alan will need money and lots of it.
    Just watch, this is just the beginning of Ford cranking up the PR machine to force the Australian Government to throw them a few hundred million or they will close down manufacturing.
    It’s worked for Holden, Toyota and Mitsubishi.
    The next Falcon will have a lot of similarities to it’s US cousin and might share a lot of components(including engines) but it will be manufactured here.

    • mmmmmmmmmm

      are you forgetting rudd was going to chuck serious money for ford to build the focus here?
      ford au are just too dumb to build the size car people are going to buy in this century, ok thats not fair, ford US has f%^#ed ford AU. they are so desperate to stay a float in the US they don’t care about their AU arm.
      At least GM includes and values Holden are part of its core business.
      And Holden and toyota are smart enough to know there isn’t enough sales volume to build a car only for the aussie market. Export or die.
      Ford failed to do this

      • Gazza

        Different scenario.
        The Focus was going to be built along side the Falcon. What we are facing here is a total abandonment of manufacturing by Ford in Australia.
        There is no way known that the govt are going to sit back and let Broadmeadows become a carpark. In addition to the loss of direct jobs, the ramifications for the support industries is massive. If Ford pulled out, a lot of these businesses would close as well which would then force Holden to consider winding down manufacturing. Not to mention the massive loss of jobs.
        Ford have a lot leverage with this issue, this is just the start.

        • Callous Aussie

          Mmmmmmmmm Is right. People don’t want these types of vehicles anymore. The market is split between the medium / small segment of passenger cars and SUV sales.

          • Gazza

            The size of the vehicle will be dictated by the market. My comments relate to the fact that manufacturing will continue in this country.

  • mh2408

    and what does this mean for the V8 supercars!

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Nothing much really as I mentioned above, now-a-days it is essentially a silhouette series anyway! The race cars have more in common with each other than they do with the road cars they are supposed to represent! :-)

    • jon

      I wonder if they will let other manufacturers in now that the Falcon/Taurus is going FWD.

      • Falcodore

        Jon, they have already had talks with other manufacturers. Toyota said no because unlike NASCAR, V8SC wont bow to their demands for rule changes. Toyota tend to spit the dummy if they dont get everything their own way.

        • Tomas79

          Why stupid rules like that??
          What next, rule that the brand joining can only start with H or F??

          I guess you need rules to force, as they don’t want their asses kicked by AWD foreigners agian…

          Anyway, I doubt the any other manufactures have any interest in getting involved with the low tech v8 supercars… too boring, too much of a bogan image…. Most people see too many fleet hacks during the week, to watch them again on the weekend!!

          • jon

            Fleet racing how Bogan

          • Falcodore

            But they’re watching Fords and Holdens, not Toyotas. The fleet sl#ts of the australian market.

    • Front Slider

      It means Toyota will finaly enter the series.

    • Golfschwein

      Let it die, I say. Either that, or find it some urgent relevance.

  • fab

    one poorly built bogan taxi gone. in the words of kermit the frog…..yeaaaaahhhh

    • Ben

      first aussie car to get maximum saftey rating n its isnt built well…hmmm…….

      • Safety First

        yep and I sit and wonder how come these poorly built cars are the prefered vehicle of those people who need their car to start first time everytime, run for over half million kilometers on a service it when it breaks routine. Sure they go off and try other brands, but inevitably they come back. Even when the Falcon is (upto) 410,000 dearer than the oppositions 4cyl sedan. Also given that 3/4s of the Taxis are bought ex police or Govco deptartments.

  • fab

    how funny. bogans and v6 torque steer. hilarious

    • jon

      Haha you have to love that.

  • MK

    Good, time to get rid off all these cars stuck in the 80′s.

    • jon

      Here, here.

      • Callous Aussie

        +1. Couldn’t agree more.

  • I6orNothing

    A Taurus as the replacement…not for me. In AWD guise apparently it tips the scales at 2100kg. A little porky in anyones language…and makes the current RWD falcon look like a featherweight. I’m a falcon owner, have been for years, but if this comes along they’ve lost my vote. I prefer the RWD dynamics over FWD & a porky AWD (and yes I’ve sampled these too…had a camry for years..company one of course).

  • Ben

    Do i sence some fwd aussie car hating nuts? lol. The falcon is the longest running name in australia, and with all the development going on in australia with the falcon and the ranger you’d have to be stupid to think that this platform will be gone n destroyed over the mustang one

    • jon

      No it will more than likely become the Mustang one, just not the Falcons.

      • Ben

        LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Im in sticthes, so you reckon there gonna choose a leaf spring rear end over a multi link control blade irs rear end? N a better built/designed front end? Hmmm…get a grip

        • Tomas79

          They have allready done that with the falcon’s IRS!!

          Longest running name plant in australia doesn’t make it a good built, good looking vehicle others let alone private buyers would choose to own!!!

          As for FWD (Falcon in few years time) aussie car hating nuts?!
          Nah, just not blinded by nationalism…

          PS, no FWD/RWD rubbish here, just fulltime 4wd here..

          • jon

            True, I hear through the grape vine that the closure of Ford Aus might be as early as 2013.

    • Callous Aussie

      I agree Ben. Why would they use the ridiculous mustang frame. But then the Falcon is old too. Maybe a new frame is needed?

      • Andrew M

        A new frame is in the works, just on ice at the moment.

        They are sorting out what they will put on it first

        • jon

          Unfortunately for you, not the Falcon.

  • fab

    what most of you dont realise is that it’s not a platform that is on offer for the falcon, it’s a whole car. hence one model for the whole world just like the just released images of the GLOBAL focus. it will be the same car in the us as it will be everywhere including the uk. what you don’t appreciate is that they will engineer the next mustang in rhd and you will able to purchase it here, but there will be no way in hell that they will allow the australians to develop their american pony car and then build a unique falcon only for the australian market and allow it to compete with the taurus and lincon and mullally isn’t sold on the rwd concept in order to bring down emissions and consumption. the only manufacturers that make the rwd format work are the germans and japanese but they are generally quality products and you cannot tell me australia or america make any quality products.

  • Falcodore

    All these idiots wishing for Ford and Holden to stop local manufacturing are obviously to stupid to realize that if they close down so do local parts suppliers. Which means it will not be viable to produce their beloved cardigans…er, i mean Camry/Aurion in this country. so there ends toyota’s local operations as well.

    But i guess they wont be happy until they are paying 30 grand for a base model 4cyl Camry.

  • rolla

    The “One Ford” concept is a good concept in theory in terms of global sales but Ford US should probably consider ALL of its options before deciding the fait of the Falcon.The Loss of the falcon just will signal the loss of too many jobs in Australia in terms of design, engineering and manufacturing and thats not good for anybody. I am a Holden man, but I still don’t want to see the loss of a Falcon. but the Auto industry changes direction like the wind, the fate of the falcon isn’t sealed just yet…

    • mmmmmmmmmm

      Excellent point!
      its a sad day even for holden fans if ford US cans the true Australian falcon.

      • Shak

        Im also a Holden man, and even i would hate to see the demise of the Falcon. The continuous leapfrog of Falcon VS Commodore has characterised the Aussie car landscape for almost 30 years. And if Holden’s main competitor was to die then Holden would get lazy and start lagging worse than they already are. Please Ford even though i hate ford, i would hate to see the Falcon disappear( Long Live the Falcadore)

        • David T

          Actually it’s been 50 years of Falcon leapfroging whatever Chrysler and Holden could throw is it.
          I find it funny how the younger of those among us only compare back for Commodore’s 30 years.

          • Jack

            Yep, Falcon’s years competing against Kingswood and Valiant were more interesting! THREE competitors all with the same platform.

            A really good point is that what Mullaly at Ford is doing now, Holden did with the original VB Commodore – they panicked in 1975, ditched the Kingswood/Torana platforms for one weak German 4cyl platform, tried to beef it up, fit Aussie drivetrains to it, then bet the farm on it in 1980 when the HZ was discontinued. It nearly sent them bust, and handed the market to Ford’s Aussie product.

            Holden has always had a great media presence in Australia, but its worked on overdrive since the Commodore was released. I’ll have an HZ any day over Commodore…

          • The Oracle

            “I’ll have an HZ any day over Commodore…”

            Jack, Are you saying that you would rather drive a 30+year old Kingswood in preference to a Commodore? Why?

            I would struggle to think of one area where a HZ would be better than a VE, except for the thin A pillars and the forward vision. But then I would rather have a rollover or any prang in a VE than a HZ. And I’m not a great fan of the VE either.

            Please explain, or have I got your intention wrong?

  • Glen

    All this article has stated is that the next Falcon looks like it will be “based” on a global platform. Whether its the Taurus or a global RWD platform. This is not ground breaking news. You have to think though if they are going to have global platforms then the Mustang will be on one, more than likely shared with the Falcon.

    To jon and Thomas (if in fact they aren’t the same person) if you dont have anything constructive to say then please quietly nick off. Please remind me what was the most recalled make in LHD markets in 2009. Want a hint, starts with a T and ends with oyota. It wasn’t something little either, it was a major engineering flaw where the accelerator gets caught on the floor. You would of thought the 2nd to none quality control at Toyota would of picked something like that up.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      In all fairness Glen that was only if the car was fitted with floor mats which were prone to sliding forward and fouling with the throttle. No mats, no problem. It is not an engineering fault of the actual vehicle per se, more bad design from the supplier of the mats. Still not acceptable though.

      • Safety First

        Just playing your names sake :-p
        If it was “Only” the floor mats, why did they recall as many vehicles?? Is i because most vehicle owner do put floor mats in to protect their car? Considering it is Toyota specified mats….(blah blah blah) ;-)

        • Devil’s Advocate

          I didn’t say it was good and I wasn’t trying to defend them, far from it. Look at my last sentence! I was only just clarifying the point that it was NOT a major engineering fault of the car itself that Glen was so aggressively stipulating in his comment. Although I guess you can’t let the truth get in the way of a good story, especially when you are trying to ‘diss’ something! ;-)

          Toyota should have known better and done a proper job testing the car fully with the various factory accessories etc and they deserve to pay the costs of the recall. Especially considering that Floor Mats would have to be one of the most common form of accessories people tick during a sale etc. :-)

    • rolla

      I don’t think its a case of platform sharing as much of a case of having a sole model for a single market. Falcon is an Australia/New Zealand only model which cannot compete with volumes of the taurus (similar size vehicle)but if they can convince the wigs to use mustang archetecture then that may be an option but it will be a step backwards…

  • maximark

    Sad news for Aussies if this is true. If I have money I would buy the XR6T now, one of my most favourite car, too bad :(

    • Falcodore

      If i can scrape together the dosh, a G6ET for me : )

  • john

    Obviously the federal government is holding up ford and holden in Oz. Too keep the falcon alive all the government has too do is throw more taxpayer money fords way and bingo the falcon stays in Oz. There is no way in hell ford is employing 4700 people in Oz on sales of only 30 000 falcons. Likewise holden!
    Both are being propped up which is fine by me because we need Aussies too be employed even if that means spending our money to do so!

    • jon

      Considering that only 31000 Falcons were sold last year, I doubt the rest of the Country agrees with you on propping them up. Shut them down and lets have no tariffs, then I can have my euros cheaper. I just wonder with all you Ford supporters, when was the last time you purchased a new one. I mean you apparently love them so much but do you buy a new one every year or every couple of years. I saw 2 idiots on TV last night complaining about the termination of the Falcon and one had an AU and the other was an XA B or C. I guess though like every other Australian we are purchasing one every year with our taxes, we just don`t get a car for it though.

      • Shak

        Id rather see my tax money spent on keeping my fellow Aussies in a job, then allowing some politician to keep his Prius for the next ten years. And what makes you think your beloved euro’s will become cheaper. Mr and Mrs Adolf back in Munich are just as greedy as any other manufacturer, and will probably not pass on any tariff reductions.

        • Jack

          …and Mr and Mrs Adolf back in Munich are government-supported to the hilt by people who realise a nation must keep its productive manufacturing and agriculture to remain wealthy!

          Not have the most open markets in the world and hope to mine rocks to make up the difference!

          Spam work peugeot, lol, now the French support their manufacturers (and pay cows $2 a day just to be cows, for that matter!)

          • jon

            But their cars are sold world wide and actually return a profit

        • jon

          They have already passed on the 5%.

      • David T

        jon,
        Your arguments are flawed, you make ill-informed assumptions and wildly exagerated biased statements.
        Your assumptions on plant volume are at least 50% out, your assumptions on Govt funding are ridiculous.

        If you really think that no local manufacturing and tarrifs means cheaper imports, then more the fool you.

  • http://zuboora.com.au Mohamad is right when he

    why cant we see a compo between the best a taurus has to offer and the best the falcon has to offer… i want the yanks to see this also. let the market/ customers have a say in which platform they keep. since we are the ones which decide which manufacturer gets our money… and i dont think a front wheel drive mustang would appeal to the yanks either.. so like i said…. new falcon Vs new taurus let us decide ford.

    • jon

      Yeah but 31000 cars a year is hardly a market and with the majority sold as Fleet cars, What market is there?

  • Tony M

    The Ford car company is not stupid. They look at the long term picture and not some country like Australia that sells 30 odd thousand locally made rear wheel drive Falcons per year. Their yearly budgets would exceed the total Australian budget.

    What I do believe is that Ford Australia will have input into a global RWD platform which will be the bases for the new Falcon and Ford Mustang. What will drop off the production line is the straight six motor. That to me is a definite.

    • Callous Aussie

      That’s common knowledge. Infact I reckon Fordknow exactly what the future of Falcon is and that’s why they didn’t close the engine plant in December. They will run with this engine until the Falcon is killed off in a few years from now.

      • jon

        Your 100% correct.

  • Falcodore

    @ Brewed in Australia

    Q: How are they going to build cars in this country if there are no local suppliers? A: They cant. It doesn\’t make business sense to ship the parts from Japan or wherever to have it assembled here and then exported to the Middle East etc. They will just increase capacity at other factories (where they can source parts) to meet demand.

    And with less competition in the large car segment, they will charge what they want. Just look at Honda and the premium they charge for their Thai sourced cars.

    I dont consider myself to be a critic, just an observer stating the bleeding obvious. If one shuts down it will more than likely have a domino effect and so to the others will go. And thats not a good thing.

  • BIG JIM

    Ford US needs to wake up and make the one ford large car, the falcon. And make all their other RWD cars Falcon based. Hears to hoping !

  • Tony M

    I have just read that Ford in the US will be increasing its production of SUV’s. I believe the SUV’s from Ford in the States are REAR WHEEL DRIVE. If you have a global RWD platform surely it will not only be used for cars but also SUV’s. I believe the Falcon and the Territory are on the same platform.

    Ford Australia is profitable (NB they did make a profit this year). Why? because their product is designed for Mr and Mrs average not for fleet companies. It seems there is more money to be made for the mid to top end of the market than fleet buyers. Holden on the other hand are looking more at the fleet market and I believe are more susceptable to the reduction in car sales from this sector. Holden, even selling a lot more Commodores than Falcons were not as profitable as Ford.

    • Callous Aussie

      Holden have a very successful enigine plant. I very much doubt Ford Australia made more money than Holden last year. That’s a ford fan talking if ever there was.

      • Safety First

        Actually it is in the records. And that was without Government hand shakes. (Probably didn’t make it into the backpacker buletins in FNQ though :-))

  • KL

    About time.

    Our engineering and design capability is very good – but manufacturing here is expensive and inefficient.

  • james

    There is much piffle in this thread.

    Large Aussie sedans are not dying, they occupy 2 of the 5 top selling slots in Oz all the time.

    2. Noone will buy the Taurus, its 30cm wider and 15cm longer than a Falcon, thats too big.

    3. The Falcon will be here past 2015…

  • ohreally

    BFSTORM said

    +2 Vote -1 Vote +1BFSTORM says:
    January 13, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Cannot reveal my source but the Ford Falcon with its new LPG engine are expected to get up to 90% of goverment large car sedan sales in Aus, backroom deals with the push for green and economy. Should present a pretty good case for kepping the Falcon

    Oh come one now man, shoddy backroom deals!? this is Australia not the USA or South America.

    Im sure they will be fair to all the future green cars including the hybrid camry

    • BFSTORM

      All true, LPG is the future for Fleet in this country, not Hybrid, if you work purely on figures then the LPG Falcon will be the clear choice.

      Also the XT will no longer be called a Falcon fron about September. The G series up will be rebumpered lighted etc to look as different from the XT as possible. XT will be the Fleet special and not be called a Falcon

  • Safety First

    Did any else see on the telly this morning the “other” report form Detroit stating what I have been saying?? Something about the Mustang and Falcon (and other RWD’s) sharing the same ‘PLATFORM’!!

    • David T

      Yep I agree, and I said it from the outset.

  • BrisVegas

    Mulally has confirmed this morning Falcon & Mustang will share underpinnings in the next versions and that Falcon will remain Australian built. Excellent news!

    • Falcodore

      That is great news, especially if Ford Oz has significant input into the next gen RWD platform.

    • Tomas79

      Where does it say that? Sounds more like a fanboy fantasy!!

  • BFSTORM

    LPG Falcon can get under the CO2 mark and its economy $$$ wise is better than the Camry Hybrid by 15-20%. Pretty simple equation, just acceptance of LPG.

    LPG is the future of larger cars in this country

  • BFSTORM

    LPG Falcon can get under the CO2 mark and its economy $$$ wise is better than the Camry Hybrid by 15-20%. Pretty simple equation, just acceptance of LPG.

    LPG is the future of larger cars in this country

    • Safety First

      The current situation isn’t the CO2 it’s the L/100 that Anna has set down… Don’t worry I am as p’d about it as any sales person would be in Brissy

  • Control Blade

    You guys on here are all jumping to conclusions. Nothing is set in stone and nothing has been decided…….NOTHING !!!! It is part of running a big company to look at all business cases and nut ut which one may be the best for the whole company….not just one part of it. Ford Australia build the best car made here…..the FG Falcon. and the Territory is still a great car and will get better when the new model comes out. There is plenty of life lleft in the large car and with the new drivetrains and possible new sales opportunities I wouldnt be too quick to jump to any conclusions.

    GM Australia is a wholly owned company of Barack Obama…….that is why I will never buy a GM product. And remember …..things arent all well at GM …….they have billions to repay the GOV loans that they are running on right now.

    • Golfschwein

      Denial is a river somewhere.

      The boss, him over there in Detroit, says there will be one large rwd car platform and one only. For two and a half thousand sales a month, Ford Australia has almost certainly developed their last home grown Falcon, UNLESS………..they land the job of doing the one for the world.

      • BFSTORM

        From what my sources tell me that is the case, substantial development of RWD platform will be done by Ford Aus, and Falcon to still be made here, but with most probably imported engines, but still hope for I6, just not in Falcon form, more Larger truck.

        • jon

          Well my sources are painting a very different picture.

          • Andrew M

            Your source is your Hatrid, and you and your hatrid has just been put on its backside as “BF STORM” is right.

          • jon

            How has it been put on its backside Andrew?The only thing that has changed is that it will possibly be RWD. Its still not going to be built in Australia and they won`t get a say in what it looks like. So it will be a rebadged Taurus. All that is going to happen is they are taking the Falcons chassis and using it on a Global car and the Mustang.

          • The Oracle

            I’d love to know about these “sources” that people from every side of the argument are quoting.
            My “sources” tell me all sorts of things, but they could be wrong, or making it up, or lying or just listening to the voices in their head or maybe suffering from the FNQ heat. I reckon we will know when we hear an official announcement and that will probably change later anyway. (Imported V6s and local Focus’s anyone?)

  • Lynchy

    This is all very interesting, and still fairly speculative by most, the automotive landscape changes so much it would be hard to predict the outcome 3 – 5 years down the track. The “One Ford” program has been gaining momentum for some time now so there’s nothing particularly new here.

    Personally I believe the Falcon will live on beyond the 2015 mark, I don’t believe it will be a rebaged Taraus. More likely that GRWD program will come to fruition with Ford Aus having a major design roll, the platform could potentially sporn next gen Mustang, Falcon/Territory and Lincoln models that require rear wheel drive.

    I find it hard to believe that a lot people think there’s little difference in the way front and rear wheel drive cars drive, last time I drove an Aurion I couldn’t get out of it quick enough, they may take a while to get used to but there still miles behind the Falcon and Commodore for driveability.

    There’s no cars in the Australian market that can match the Falcon and Commodore for performance, features and value for money at the current time so let’s hope they stick around.

  • Can’t tow with a taurus!

    Have a look at the US Ford website regarding specs of the 2010 Taurus.

    2010 Taurus Max tow capacity = 1000 lbs (about 500 kgs?)- a moderately loaded box trailer. (or in my case, the boat trailer without the boat).

    Current Falcon max tow capacity = approx 5000lbs (2300kgs) (med-large caravan, med-large trailer boat.

    Are we really gonna have to go and buy a truck like pick to drive day in, day out, just to do periodic towing?

    I’d rather have good performance, handling and comfort everyday in the current falcon to do my periodic towing of a 2000kg boat, something the Taurus will not be able to replace.
    And if Falcon platform goes, so will ute ,wagon and Territory!

    • Tomas79

      Why drive a big, polluting pig like sedan everyday, just to occasionally tow a boat?!

      • SC

        So what should you tow your boat with ocassionally?
        Have a car sitting in the garage with full rego and insurance
        taking up space and an economical city car?

        • Tomas79

          Yes, I would, if i was too soft to whinge about driving a 4wd ute!!

          • Can’t tow with a taurus

            Tomas,
            1) I can’t afford to own 2 cars for myself to drive, and I tow other things beside the boat.
            2) I have a family and still require 5 seats
            3)5 star safety is nice
            4)Ever heard of LPG?
            5) Would you prefer it if I bought a Landcruiser for everyday use? (they are much bigger,heavier, more expensive to buy and run – 4wd tyres are bloody expensive too!). plus I don’t think I could afford one.

            6) In all my years of towing various things with sedans, I have never needed a 4wd (never lost traction, even on sand covered boat ramps while pulling out around 2000kg).
            7) The 2010 Taurus is a similar weight / slightly longer than Falcon, and in AWD form weighs 2000kg or so., vs 1700 odd kg Falcon.

            8) Small-medium SUV’s like VW Tiguan can only tow 2000kg max, and only has a 100kg towball down force max- my tandem trailer puts more down than that, and I don’t think it would be as stable as Falcon at those weights.

          • Tomas79

            Well if you can’t afford a new one, get your self a second hand 4wd tow rig!!

            I heard of LPG, I had it on my Jeep, and i din’t like it!!
            My brother has LPG on his falcons, and has many problems with it (the falcon, and the lpg system)…

          • SC

            Drive around in a 4WD ute, these things suck.
            Don’t go, don’t handle, not as safe, tray is not
            much bigger than a falcon boot,rego, fuel economy,
            etc. If you still want a sporty drive and something
            that tows ,a 4WD ute is not the go.

          • Tomas79

            “tray is not much bigger than a falcon boot”

            Lol, only a ford fariey would say that!!

            A 4wd ute will get you further, in and gives you a much better upright seating position!!!!

      • Can’t tow with a taurus!

        Tomas, you say not to drive a big,heavy “polluting pig ” like a Falcon, yet you say go out and buy a 4wd ute or similar????
        Do you even know what one of those weigh? (= or > than Falcon.

        And no, a 4cyl petrol ute will not legally tow 2300kg, nor will it do it with confidence.
        A 6cyl petrol ute uses more fuel than Falcon.
        Diesel is not as clean as you would think, unless it is the latest euro diesel (sedan).

        4wd’s are a pig to drive everyday,slower, and you can’t take corners like a sedan etc.
        They use more fuel and are heavy on brakes and tyres etc.

  • james

    I have examined the dimensions of the Taurus. Its 30cm wider and 15cm longer than a Falcon. it also weighs 1828kg. There’s no way a car even larger than the Falcon will sell here, esp if FWD. Of course a locally built Falcon will be here past 2015, it just may not have the local engine.

    The local inline 6 will probably die off and be replaced by Ford US’ 3.5L V6.

    And to the other twits who think a vehicle which regularly sells in the top 10 is dying…geezarse!

  • Andrew M

    Where have all these told you so Tomas and jon people gone???

    Mustang will now be built on the Falcon platform ensuring sustainability JUST LIKE I TRIED TO TELL YOU PAIR OF DOOMS-DAYERS.

    Better go grab yourself some kleenex’s and have a cry that your death wish based on nothing but fantasy isnt coming true.

    I love the way the media has gotten hammered over this…..
    One quote…..
    Some people have added 1 and 1 and got 113……..
    Another….
    Since when has the media ever let the truth get in the way of a good story….

    If you werent so vocal in your negative opinions you probably wouldnt look as silly as you do now.
    Thats why I find it funny when those that talk themselves up come undone

    Now, when is CA going to put the story straight….

    • Tomas79

      Still here, Fanboy Fantasies come and go, while Ford Falcon still in’t making any profit!! Ford Mustang, thats not too profitable either?!!

      Don’t worry Andrew M, I got bulk pack of kleenex ready for you here!!

      • Andrew M

        Make sure you dont use them all up whiping the dribble from your chin then, you will also need them for your tears.

        So, tell me, how does it feel telling everyone in an aggressive manner that you are so right, only to be put on your A*se with the real facts only a short time after???

        Falcon is making profit, wrong again. I can see those tissues being ripped out of the box very fast to catch tears and dribble in one swipe

        • Tomas79

          Please, don’t be so childish and gullible….
          Please present me with the “Real Facts”??

          And don’t bring in any BS spin,`that CEO spins so to prevent himself getting attacked by workers/creditors… And anyone talent doing a runner, prematurely!!

          • Andrew M

            It was announced at the Detroit motorshow by the man himself.
            The media hype was dismissed as people getting ahead of themselves.

            Give me a sec and Ill do a quick web search to see if I can find at least something for your doubtfull mind.

            Alternativly you can start looking yourself too

          • fxh555

            Andrew M, thanks for the link. It’s interesting how the story has changed from initial reports. It certainly represents more upbeat & positive news for future local manufacturing prospects!

  • GT

    A rebadged, awd, twin turbo taurus as a falcon replacement??
    HELL YEAH!!!!

  • Realcars

    Would be good if the Australian Falcon could live on by providing the basis for the Mustang as it did in the beginning.

    Falcon is a motoring icon in this country and besides what else could go the distance from tough but comfortable tradie ute to million klm taxi to great family road car?

    • Andrew M

      Its confirmed that the mustang and falcon will share

  • Adam

    How many more times are Ford US going to try to shove the Taurus down our throats. We just don’t want it. Don’t get me wrong, I like the new Taurus but would I buy one over a Falcon? No. You tried it in the 90′s and it failed badly. Let us have our Falcon.
    ONE Ford=American Ford, I want something distinctly Australian, I want a Falcon!

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au CarAdvice Moderator

    People, please keep this on topic. Some of the comments have become way too sidetracked. As a result, some comments have been removed.

    Jon has now been banned from commenting.

    Keep it civil, and you will be able to continue to comment.

    • Safety First

      Thank you

  • Tinman

    Amazing.Judging by the heated discussion here, the Falcon is not going without a fight.
    Anyone who would archive 50 years of R&D on a single platform is an Idiot!
    Business Degree or no business degree.

  • 01SRFALCON

    I believe that for build quallity, handling, interior design and comfort Ford Australia should have been exporting the Falcon possibly as far back as the AUII.
    and that the Falcon should be a considerable “ONE FORD” for the large car market.
    they have the Fiesta, Focus, and Mondeo (all front wheel drive) let there be at least one car for real enthusiests to drive. (next thing they’ll delete the manual gearbox from their model range and make their cars really boring)
    I’ve always been a Ford fan through and through but if the mighty Falcon becomes a tacked together front wheel drive Taurus in a dress, I’d have to say with a gulp.
    next time i buy a new car it won’t be a Ford.

  • http://holden paulb

    70% of Fords growth in the next 30 years will be in the Asia+Pacific region.That puts the OZ operation in a good position hopefully.If theres no Falcon,there is some light at the end of the tunnel hopefully

  • http://hmmm?? Nate

    i think it will be baced on the ford fusion and taurus put together if they make it in china asia or korea i wont buy it if its made in the us europe or here i will buy it

  • Blake

    Cutting the wagon, now this..

    We will miss you falcon <3

  • Rick

    Well i only have to say one thing… I have always owned and driven Falcons and currently own a ELGT !! If FORD decides to import the CRAP they build in the STATES to replace the FALCON i will NEVER EVER BUY A FORD AGAIN!! As Aussies we should tell the YANKS to “F##K Off !! As usual being American means you can DO WHAT YOU LIKE !! If your true blue about loving the FALCON, express your feelings by letting you local FORD dealer know that without a Falcon in the range of CARS you will not purchase ANYTHING FROM THEM. What a JOKE !!! This will spell the end of V8 super-cars. Imagine watching a race with Holden’s V Toyota’s… Toyota failed at Formula 1 and they will fail with V8 supercar racing !! America stay out of Australia, you have already destroyed the lives of millions and now you want to bring you crap to Australia…………

  • Callous Aussie

    I realise it is speculation, but where there’s smoke there’s fire. Especially in this industry. Unless Ford Australia have been working on some super vehicle behind the scenes their days are numbered. Same goes for GMh with the Commodore. Holden will be watching very closely.

  • Falcodore

    If Toyota dont invest the money to upgrade the Altona plant to produce the next gen engine for the Camry you can consider that the first nail in the coffin for local Camry/Aurion production

  • Benji

    Dont be a tool and jump to the same wrong conclusions about the future a Fords manufacturing in Australia.
    All Mullaly has commented on was individual national DESIGNS not manufacturing.
    As you gloated, Toyota build the global Camry in various plants around the world, why would you think that Ford won’t do the same – of cousre they will.
    Ill-informed Scaremongering about Ford closing manufacturing in Australia only shows you to be a tool.

  • Pablo

    Front wheel drive Mustang…when???

  • Golfschwein

    hee hee…Mustang NEVER went fwd. Smaller, yes, but never fwd.

  • Ben

    doesnt have to look the same, just the platform, name 1 better rwd platform thats better from ford the the australian one? They no it, thats why a ford ceo wanted one for himself, G6E Turbo to be exact.

  • jon

    Doubt that, they wouldn`t like the style for starters. Look how ugly they made the Commodore look and it still didn`t sell that well.

  • Ben

    look it up, its all there on this site, its called pure COLD HARD FACTS deal with it

  • Tomas79

    Cold hard facts tell me it’s a fleet car that even the few nationalists ford faries that look past it’s poor build quality can’t make profitable, yet alone the yanks!!

  • Falcodore

    Thats right Ben, it was Alan Mullally himself.

  • jon

    Yeah he wanted one as a collectors item. It will go in the Ford extinct museum.

  • Falcodore

    No local suppliers means no local manufacturing…period. It would be cheaper to make Toyotas in Thailand and ship them here. And i bet Toyota would still have the gall to charge $30,000 for a base model Camry even though a FTA exists between the two countries. They would use the lame excuse that they now have to import the cars.

  • Sumodog

    Toyota employes a lot of casual workforce and laid them off last year. Now they called them back for Camry Hybrid build. That is why there are no reported job losses there.

  • http://aca Brewed In Australia

    Falcodore – As it stands, a base model Camry is charged no were near 30k so apart from unsupported speculation what evidance do you have otherwise … exactly – none.

    Don’t get upset because Toyota Oz has a more sustainable operation in Australia then Ford or Holden – it is not their fault the other have been incompetant for too many years.

    For years many critics like yourself have stated Toyota will be the next to go but in reality it is not likely.

    As i have stated, Toyota Oz actually has a well managed and sustainable structure in Australia which is underpinned by a healthy export regime and the efficency achieved by manufacturing a global product aka Camry.

  • Safety First

    Umm CAmry 2.4 Altise 5 Man RRP +ORC $29,990.00. Source RJ POund Comparative new vehicle price guide. Oh and by asking the guys across the road..

    Now as to this whole Toyota sustainable business hooharr. If these rumour did come true and Falcon was to become the Taurus .. (read all the stories about this, nowhere does any Ford exec say close the line down and import, nor does anyone say that Taurus would be the vehicle given it is closer in size to Fairlane and almost exact same external as an A8) then Ford would be doing exactly the same as Toyota. Design one car, tweak it a little (very little in Camry’s case) and tell everyone that that is the best car for them. Part of the reason Toyota appears so cost effective here is because it spend (comparatively) nothing on R&D. It’s cars are designed crash tested and homolgated overseas.

    However I am of the understanding that Mullaly’s case is more closely aligned to VWAG business models. ie (and again I stress that you read the story not what you want to read) one platform to cover several different vehicles. How many vehicles in the VWAG does the Golf (A4 / PQ34) platform under pin? How many of those same vehicles share common parts? Yet how many of them look the same standing side by side?

    This is what is being said. One “PLATFORM” globally that Falcon will be built simply means that Ford Aust will have to spend less money in upgrading the vehicle it is producing. This will give access to higher safety levels, better handling, and newer technology. When you include the input from the Australian research and Design centre (widely recognised for it’s ability on shoestring budgets) then things can only look better.
    Oh that’s if you were to look at what is being said in positive light which is hard for a lot of Australians I know.

  • BFSTORM

    Cannot reveal my source but the Ford Falcon with its new LPG engine are expected to get up to 90% of goverment large car sedan sales in Aus, backroom deals with the push for green and economy. Should present a pretty good case for kepping the Falcon

  • Realcars

    Falcon is still a superior drive to a Prado box on wheels.LOL

    Oh what a clunky feeling.LOL

    Prado makes my lunchbox look stylish.LOL

  • Ben

    pull the other one, itll sing ur fav tune, probably something from the village ppl for you yeah? So what if its mainly a fleet car? I have told you already, both ford here and in the usa made a profit at the end of last year. The falcon will be keep on

  • Safety First

    Sorry but the Dubious Qld Captain, has written into her Vehicle policy a L/100 figure and CO2 figure that eliminates all but the Big T unless you can actually prove a special requirement…

  • http://holden paulb

    BFSTORM,was recently speaking to a Orbital Engine Employee,the developer of the new Direct Injection System,they also done LPI for HSV.Very exciting

  • Andrew

    Brewed In Australia:

    The only reason why Holden didn’t return a profit last year was becasue they had to spend money closing the 4 cyclinder plant, other wise they were on tract to make a 7 million profit.

  • Falcodore

    That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic, take it somewhere else.

  • Safety First

    Ask Roland Dane who was courting him during 2005/6 and why that promted the initial stages of his fallout with Ford Motor company…

  • Andrew M

    If thats true Safety,
    It shows people lack of undersatnding on the true green topic

  • The Oracle

    No, there is no smoke or fire. It is just speculation, assumption, personal bias and unfounded opinion. The story from Detroit has changed several times today already. We will know what is going to happen when an announcement is made and then it will probably change later on anyway.

  • Devil’s Advocate

    Holy mackerel, $77.2 million dollars (the $70m they lost in the 2008-2009 FY plus the $7m profit you mentioned they were going to make if it wasn’t for closing the plant) is a lot of money just to close a 4cyl engine plant. Maybe they would have been better off keeping it open…