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V8 Supercars Australia and Queensland Raceway’s War of Words

By Karl Peskett |

A stoush of epic proportions has apparently kicked off between V8 Supercars Australia management and the operators of Queensland Raceway. For V8 Supercar fans in Queensland, the end result is there will be no V8 Supercar round held at Queensland Raceway in 2010.

How it escalated is anyone’s guess. However a press release from Queensland Raceway’s John Tetley along with his response to V8 Supercars Australia’s announcement shows the frustration from QR’s side. It’s a lengthy read, but we thought you might enjoy it.

V8SA’s text is in italics, with Tetley’s response in bold.

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Queensland Raceway V8 Supercars Australia has been unable to reach satisfactory hire and commercial terms with the operator of Queensland Raceway for a proposed 2010 May date.


What this really means is that QR refused to cave in to the V8SA “my way or the Highway” negotiating style. It is just as fair to say QR has been unable to reach satisfactory hire and commercial terms with V8SA; one thing that the paper trail demonstrates is that QR has been far more responsive in the negotiating period and has far more experience in reaching win-win contracts for the use of a motorsport venue than V8SA has.

This date on the 2010 Championship Series calendar had been listed until now as provisional, pending the outcome of talks between the two parties.

V8SA was totally prepared to become the promoter of the Ipswich event in May to keep the event alive, but unfortunately this is not possible due to a long list of unrealistic demands set by the Queensland Raceway operator.

These unrealistic demands came down to recognising the contribution of the QR passholders by allowing them free access to the event. Under V8SA’s contract QR was forced to recognise V8SA’s passholders, of which there are some thousands, versus a few hundred QR’s passholders it is difficult to agree that this condition was either unfair or unrealistic. Without these passholders QR could not have been built in the first place.


The second major requirement was that they would undertake the repair of any damage suffered by the track whilst they had the keys. Would you hand over the keys to your property to someone and not expect them to fix the damage they did? Shane Howard said on national Television “We won’t repairs could cost a lot of money.

What is particularly galling is that V8Supercars are criticising QR for wanting to protect public property.

QR also tabled a requirement for a five year deal to try and avoid the annual haggling that is so irksome for everyone. If V8SA is not willing to enter into a five year agreement it casts doubt about V8SA’s commitment to the event. Casting doubts on the Ipswich event is something Mr Cochrane has done many times since 2002 so maybe this time he has chosen to make it come true.

QR demanded a near record hire fee for the hire of the venue despite its ageing facilities, and also insisted the venue would not be responsible for obtaining the very necessary CAMS licence that is required under the FIA’s sanctioning of V8 Supercars as an International Series, amongst many other things.

Firstly, QR is the newest track in Australia and secondly QR agreed to accept the hire fee offered by V8SA so the first part of this paragraph doesn’t make sense. We have had very very few complaints from the fans about the facilities we provide. Lack of shade is the major complaint.

The CAMS licence is a Furphy. QR agreed to take responsibility for maintaining the track to the standard currently approved by CAMS for the days the V8s would be there. It is standard practice for an event promoter to provide all of the insurances required by a venue to deliver an event.

As the V8s would have been the only CAMS sanctioned activity in 2010 it makes even more sense that the licence should be held by V8Supercars. It does not make business sense – there is no point buying a track licence for a whole year when it is needed for three days.

This, coupled with the fact that fans and corporates have dropped off from attending QR because of the lack of decent facilities, means that QR at Ipswich is no longer a viable venue for Australia’s premier motorsport Championship.

This is absolute nonsense. Firstly, QR cannot compete head on with publicly funded events like the Gold Coast and Townsville. Both of these events had a significant impact on our sales last year resulting in a huge loss of money for QR; money that now has to be made up with revenues from grass roots motorsport. The 2009 event was sandwiched between both of these events and placed on top of the Ekka.

QR has strong feelings about the morality of grass roots motorsport subsidising professional motorsport.

QR raised the concern with V8SA in September 2008 that QR would be adversely affected. This concern was ignored and QR suffered the loss that any reasonable businessman would have predicted was going to happen. Queensland is the only state with two street races, unless you count Bathurst, so it was obvious that the future for the QR V8 Supercar event had been severely compromised.

Shane Howard, acting CEO for V8SA, said: “This is extremely disappointing for all our fans but we had given QR a very reasonable offer and we have to be responsible to our teams when we hire venues and conduct events.

“The unrealistic hire fees and un-commercial terms demanded by QR, when compared with other permanent venues, are absurd given the standard of the QR infrastructure for fans and teams alike.

“QR’s reluctance to be a CAMS sanctioned venue further compounds a very difficult position for us as we are a fully fledged FIA Championship. Almost no money has been spent on fan facilities at QR in the last eight years despite our ongoing requests and it is now looking very tired from a fan and corporate point of view.”

The CAMS issue is getting repetitive and already dealt with. What QR fails to understand is how facilities it doesn’t have could be looking run down.

The requests from V8SA have never been written down, defined or quantified so it is difficult to refute this point except to say that any special facilities for this event would only be used for two days a year.

The positive news is that V8SA will still be conducting 15 events in season 2010 including offering two events to fans in Queensland with the Dunlop Townsville 400 in July and the Gold Coast event in October. The 2010 season opener kicks off in Abu Dhabi at the world class Yas Marina Circuit from February 18-20th.

“We do question how a venue which was built with significant State Government funds and is leased on Ipswich Council land can manipulate groups such as ours with ridiculous hire figures and non compliance with the Government recognised sanctioning body is surely got to be questioned?” V8 Supercars Australia Chairman Tony Cochrane said.

ABSOLUTELY WRONG AGAIN. The truth is Queensland Raceway was built with a $ for $ grant to a club from the Department of Sport just like many other amateur sporting facilities in this state. Approximately $1,500,000 was raised by selling life memberships and further funds were raised from a variety of commercial sources and private investors. They also had a loan, on commercial terms, from Queensland Treasury. It is the original Life Members, who are now QR Passholders that V8 Supercars have refused to recognise.

What happened next was a disaster for motorsport. The Qld 500 V8 Supercar event in 1999 wrecked the track. The club led by Dennis Brown that built QR had no choice but to make the heart breaking decision to place Queensland Raceway into receivership. At that stage everybody – including the Life Members had lost everything.

John Tetley, one of those original investors & Life Members formed a consortium with five other people and purchased the lease for the property from the receivers in April 2000. Since then QR has grown enormously in popularity and can boast that it was the busiest track in Australia in 2008 with an amazing 349 days of activity. QR has done a great job of returning value to all amateur motorsport enthusiasts of South East Queensland – not just Tony Cochrane’s organisation.

“Every year dealing with John Tetley turns into a greater nightmare for all of us in the Championship and I totally understand V8SA getting to this very frustrating point. With so many V8 Supercar teams headquartered in SE Queensland we now need to focus on what we can do for the future.

I can assure everyone present that dealing with the management this organisation is never a pleasure. Negotiations usually have to be carried out through their lawyers. As they constantly escalate their requirements, access to QRs assets and Sanction Fees every year becomes more unpleasant and difficult to justify. Perhaps the word “NO” is a nightmare for some of the people in V8 Supercars.

Fortunately working with the V8 Supercar staff on the ground is almost always a pleasure and they have managed to make the event something the QR staff has looked forward to.

“Maybe the time has come for us to work with the Queensland Government and jointly build our own permanent facility to ensure the nearly 1000 jobs in our great industry are keep here in SE Queensland.”

Is this the real agenda Mr Cochrane?

Are you aware that Queensland already has more full time race tracks than any other state in Australia? For the real grassroots motorsport enthusiast there are more race meetings, sprint meetings, drift events, show’n'shines, etc. etc. in South East Queensland than in any other state of Australia.

There are many dozens of businesses that make their living servicing some 30,000 active members of clubs and associations. QR communicates directly with 197 clubs and has over 6,000 names on its Email distribution lists.

Can Mr Cochrane show the everyday enthusiast how V8Supercars contributed to that growth in any measurable way?

Further, QR has not closed its doors to the V8 teams for practice or future events, so what is the justification for yet more taxpayer millions to paid to your company?

Stop trying to shift the blame for the decision you wanted to make – and now have!

Click here to view the original text on QR’s website, or scroll down and have a look.


 
  • Falcodore

    Lets just hope that the teams that test there aren’t too badly affected by this decision, regardless of who’s to blame.

    Having said that, i think its widely regarded to be the least exciting round to watch of the championship.

    • Andrew M

      Yeah, you are probably right that it is not the most exciting track, but having been every year since it opened, the thing I like is that you can see the whole track, and follow the race a bit better.

      On the contrast I cant say the same for the street races.
      For eg, if you want to see the action at Albert part, may as well stay home….

      • Falcodore

        I went to the Sydney event and it was great. Just picked spots on the track where there was a big screen so i didn’t miss much of the action.

        If Tony Cochrane wants to build a new permanant track he should look at NE NSW, say near grafton. There’s plenty of locations where there’s no endangered flora or fauna, so nothing for the greenies to whinge about (but you know they will) and no houses around ,so no noise complaints. Also its only about 2.5 hrs from the Gold Coast and 3.5 from Brisbane or a short flight if you wish.

        • Andrew M

          Grafton is the middle of nowhere compared to Willowbank.
          Willowbank is about 1.5hrs to the Goldie and about 1 hour to brissy

          QR is part of a big motorsport complex and its location is ideal.
          If V8SC are prepared to spend money to build their own track, why dont they then take a share hold in QR and spend their own money on the upgrades they complain about??

          They could even redesign the track to incorporate the elevations of the old mine sites just over the fence of QR

          • Falcodore

            Yeah, i said Grafton for my own selfish desires (wont have to travel) : ) But when you think about it, compared to Bathurst grafton is pretty close and has a major hwy running through it which is an advantage.

            Another location could be somewhere around Lismore or Ballina which is similar travelling distance to what you quoted for Willowbank. But the drawbacks would be; not much space and too many greenies.

            All in all, your suggestion would probably be the best option but a major track redesign would be needed i reckon.

          • Andrew M

            Im actually surprised the Ipswich Mayor hasnt come to the table on this topic.
            He is very active in getting people to his town and usually gets right behind the motorsport precint.

          • Safety First

            Agree that any of the northern rivers, north coast NSW towns are to isolated to cater for 100,000 fans over 3 days (by that I mean the ones that can come on Saturday but work on Sunday etc) and their infrastructure would struggle without a large investment.
            The one thing I’d be watching is the quiet movements that have benn going on a Lakeside over the last twelve months..
            More small time racing has been happening there as well as club days, and the Cycle racing club has been kicked out. Lakeside has been used by Pushbikes basically since it lost the car races. It made a good place to have races keeping th epushbikes off the street to keep the car drivers happy.

          • Andrew M

            Safety,
            Ive also heard a rumour they are gonna really fire lakeside up again too

  • Andrew M

    I actually know a guy who is good friends with John Tetley.

    I saw this coming 12 months ago.
    I can safely tell you V8SC is the unreasonable party amongst this.

    QR actually makes more money out of track hiring for other events than it does V8SC. V8SC demands are very high when ever they visit, and this year they were demanding multi million dollar upgrades amongst other increasing demands.

    QR isnt just a V8 track, every time you go past it it is buzzing with some sort of action.
    Tetley will actually be glad to see the back of V8SC, but in saying that dont think for one minute that he is the one that wanted them gone.

    Cochrane has been looking for an excuse to pull from the track, and as John suggest they have done a great job of fabricating one.

    I mean you only have to read the V8SC statement using a bit of common sense to be able to smell the rat

  • Newbie

    good riddance, don’t see the point of these cars anyway. You have enough hoons out n about with their v8s as is…

    • Andrew M

      Thats a pretty weird statement.

      So do we now get rid of Football to lessen the impact of street fights and general public nuisence behavior??

      The V8 participants and their fans in general are much better behaved than other sports participants and fans.

      • Falcodore

        Spot on Andrew M, thats basically what i said but my comment was moderated

      • jon

        Not sure about that, what about the behaviour of fans at Bathurst?

        • Andrew M

          It still doesnt compare jon.

          You also dont see Russell Ingall out in the clubs stabbing his wife in the eye with a glass either.

          Just face it, V8SC has a much cleaner image when it comes to violence

          • jon

            I don`t agree the behaviour of a few players in Football can`t compete with the Neanderthal behaviour at Bathurst.

          • Andrew M

            Perhaps you need to reference some facts jon.

            Tell me,
            How many charges against racing car drivers have there been filed versus Australian football players?

            How many arrests amongst fans at V8Races has there been versus arrests at football grounds???

            How many brawls at pubs were a result of over flowing from a football ground to continue celebrations??

            You have to be dead set not with it if you think V8 racing is linked to more illegal activity/violence than Football.

            And before you try and tell me Im not a football fan, think again. Im just dealing with the reality. Ive been to enough football games and V8 races, and watched enough news stories to realise you are living in La la land to think otherwise.

            Both of the main football organisation admitt they have a big problem on their hand regarding violence and many other illegal activities.

            I havent heard of rape and drug allegatons being continuously laid on V8SC drivers, have you???

          • jon

            Andrew

            I dont think its as perfect as you make it out to be. I have witnessed plenty of bad behaviour at and leaving Eastern Creek and Oran park over the years and there is also Mr B Stevens and his arrest for drug making. Didn`t he own a V8 Supercar Team?

            And this at the Gold Coast in September

            “The farcical withdrawal of the A1GP open wheelers a week before they were to headline the event may have robbed it of some international glamour, but Superintendent Jim Keogh said the V8 crowd more than made up for it with alcohol consumption, with drunken arrests jumping 20 per cent at the weekend.About 200,000 people attended the SuperGP,of those 280 were arrested for public drunkenness.

            I can go on if you like?

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            and its not as bad as you make out.

            Please do go on, next time show the figures for the football side of the arrests……..
            280 arrests out of 200,000 is pretty good on the scale of things.
            That = .14% of people played up.
            And further to that, how much was violence related???

            a football crowd can get those sort of numbers at the actual ground, and they hold a lot less than 200,000

          • Andrew M

            Im not even going to bother start listing football players that have played up……
            Ill be here all night, and still not get tham all

          • jon

            HAHA maybe it just a QUEENSLANDER thing!

            Queenslanders parted with a record $2.35 billion for alcohol in the year to the end of September. LOL

            I never said football was perfect Andrew, just proving either is V8 supercars. But seeings that your the expert on violence at the Football, you come up with the stats.

          • Andrew M

            No you werent jon, you were trying to say V8 fans and drivers cause more trouble that football involvement.

            Of course nothing is perfect

      • jon

        Oh your not from Queensland are you? I`m sorry if i offended. LOL

        • Andrew M

          Yes I am from QLD, you only just picked that up???

          Oh yeah, and whats your point???

          Drinking alcohol doesnt make people “bad people” even though I barely contributed to that total.

          Perhaps QLD’rs have more money at their disposal for entertainment because they dont get bent over as much for house prices and associated lifestyle?????
          I`m sorry if i offended. LOL
          The Origin loss is still hurting isnt it???

  • Shak

    bathurst is like sacred ground and is just bogans being bogans. It’s sort of the one time of year they can legally be bogans. It’s tradition for them. Let them have their four days or they’ll do it everyday of the bloody year.

  • Falcodore

    Jon, i went to V8s in Sydney and the behaviour of the crowds over the 3 days was excellent, friendly people all there for a good time. At the Cold Chisel concert there was about 28 people ejected. I think you would have to agree thats a great result considering there was a crowd in the vicinity of 50,000 and a lot of them (me included) would’ve been drinking for the best part of the day while watching the races.

    I agree with Andrew M, V8SC has a better image, compared to NRL and AFL, when it comes to the behaviour of the athletes and their fans, and deservedly so.

  • Newbie

    lol – I knew there’d be debate but wow –

    I just don’t see the point to V8 races, sorry flame me all you want – that money could be put to better use. I honestly just do not get what the hype is, just ford vs holden – ok maybe if there were some other players too, or say if by these races there were improvements realized towards adapting in a model sold to the public.

    I can understand alot of people absolutely going off their trumpets about how the hell can I not like v8 races etc etc – sorry but just *yawn* .. 24 endurance races, F1 races or Drags = anytime for me.

    • http://mymaties.com VDub Fan

      You have V10′s and V12′s but there is something completely enticing about the gurgle of a fat V8. Yawn for V8 races but lets have drags??? Yeah its fast and almost hell raising but less skill involved. F1 yes, 24 endurances yes. But how can you say no to the blaawb blaaaawb dowahm of that V8 as it gears down for each corner.
      Hands up for V8′s?

      • Devil’s Advocate

        Don’t forget VDub Fan, the F1s are V8 powered as well. Have been for a couple of years now. :-)

  • Gazza

    There’s a fair bit of debate here over which sports fans are the worst behaved, who drinks the most, etc. However I don’t see that as relevent to the article above.
    One of the points V8SC have raised is the condition of facilities for fans. This is a real issue as far as QR is concerned and probably a few other permanant tracks around the country.
    The V8′s are now one of the most watched sports in Australia, up there with Cricket, NRL & AFL on a per event basis but the facilities for fans in comparison is disgraceful.
    QR is government owned and from what I’ve read the track is quite profitable. If they just got a small percentage of what was handed out for NRL to upgrade facilities it would improve things out of sight and probably get me back as a patron.
    Until then, I’ll watch it on TV.

    • Falcodore

      If V8SC is to go back there, i think they also need to spend money on extending or redesigning the track because, lets face it, Symmonds Plains is better viewing than QR with more overtaking opportunities and, correct me if i’m wrong, i think its a shorter track.

      I think that’s the real issue for V8SC, it’s just not an exciting track when it comes to tv viewing. And with tv ratings only getting higher, they probably feel they need a curciut capable of more action than QR provides.

      • Gazza

        You’ve got a point there.
        Perhaps QR should use some of their profits to buy some of the old Oran park stuff which is for sale on their website.
        I notice the bridge is still up for grabs and it wouldn’t be hard to incorporate it into the existing track.

        • Andrew M

          I can safely tell you what ever money QR makes doesnt come from the V8′s.

          They actually make squat out of the V8′s.
          You are just assuming they do….

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Since when has QR been Government owned? The Govt provided funding for the building of it, however I didn’t think they actually own it as such. :-)

      • Andrew M

        Correct,
        QR isnt government owned.
        If people cared to read, it is even stated in the article.

        V8SC is trying to imply it is, but it certainly isnt.
        And they aint rolling in the dough like people think.

  • Jebiga

    QR looks like a backyard facility. Although it may be good for amateur and club events (which seem to be profitable for them anyway), it just looks out of place as a V8SC event. It would still be a good testing and training facility for V8SC teams but I think its better for both parties to part.

  • Falcodore

    I see now on the official V8SC website that the Ipswich Mayor has finally gotten involved but it looks like it’s to little, to late unfortunately.

    • Andrew M

      I was wandering how long it was gonna take Paul to speak out.

      I thought he would have been in much earlier when something could have been salvaged

  • F1 Addict

    The circuit was barely fit for truck racing. Who cares… Yawn..