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Commodore Australia’s top-selling car for 14 years

By Matt Brogan |

The Holden Commodore is Australia’s favourite car for the 14th consecutive year.

The Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries show Australian’s purchased a total of 44,387 vehicles from the VE Commodore range in 2009. These figures show the Commodore has been Australia’s best selling car every year since 1996.

“It’s been a tough year so we’re rapt Commodore has come out on top again,” Holden’s Executive Director of Sales and Marketing, John Elsworth said.

“Commodore is designed and engineered here in Australia, it’s built here and we’re very proud of the way we’ve been able to continually refine and improve it since it was first launched more than 30 years ago.”

Total sales for Holden in 2009 are 119,568, this is 12.8 per cent of the market and makes Holden the second top selling brand in Australia behind Toyota. Mr Elsworth believes the Federal Government’s investment allowance played an important part in these results.

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Other Holden models that were popular in 2009 include the Holden Cruze (12,590 sold since June release), Captiva (11,504 up 14 per cent from previous year) and Colorado 4×4 (11,002 sold).

“Cruze has done really well from the moment we put it into showrooms. Captiva has also been outstanding, comfortably outselling a bunch of rivals including Territory.”

Mr Elsworth said today’s results also showed strengthening sales momentum in December, when 11,773 new Holden cars were sold.

“We’re encouraged by what we think are the early signs of recovery in the market and we’ll go into 2010 feeling optimistic,” Mr Elsworth said.


 
  • bruzzer

    Why do motoring groups and Holden themselves consider Captiva to be a Territory rival. The Captiva is a competitor to outlander, Rav4, Santa Fe but not the territory.

    do you guys agree?

    • Stevo

      actually bruisser i consider it more of a sangyorng rivals

    • Bent 8 Brigade

      For the same reason motoring groups and Ford consider the Mondeo as a mid-size rival even though it’s Falcon size – because they can!

    • JEKYL & HYDE

      bruzzer,

      when territory gets its diesel version on the road,fixes the brakes,suspension,rust issues,then it might take a few captiva sales from holden.feel betta now…

      • Westy

        blah blah blah here is someone again with this silly rhetoric about issues….where are these issue published. I haven’t seen this rubbish you are on about. How about Holden make an Australian made vehicle to match Territory instead of importing Korean rubbish and costing Aussies jobs ! Because they can’t !!

        • mmmmmmm

          blah blah
          how about ford produce an Austrian small car and employ more australians.
          Because they can’t !!

          • mmmmmmm

            or even an Australian small car

            lol curse autospellchecker

          • Safety First

            Actually, Ford looked at it, looked at the numbers and decided that even if it got Govco Assist (which wasn’t forth comming when announced) that it just didn’t add up. On the other hand Holden was freely given govco funds to build the Cruze here, (after already being given a sly substantial handshake without notice).

            Then when you look at the whole picture, between the two who is right and who is wrong?? Globally Ford and Allan Mullaly has put the runs on the board. Whilst GM has recieved major funding from all Governments in Countries it builds in just to keep the doors open, Ford has done so off it’s own back. It has sorted out it’s own employment contracts, kept the UAW (and the corresponding Australian Unions) happy and their members informed and employed.
            So is it a matter of can’t build it, or is it can’t make the number stack up sensibly against the Asian Factories???
            Why build a vehicle here if it is going to cost more than the existing production line?

        • Alex

          Westy – Ford isn’t Holden’s only competitor…just because Ford built the Territory doesn’t mean Holden should build a direct competitor. Holden saw an opportunity in the market, and it certainly wasn’t going against a dated, heavy bland Territory! The decision to import “Korean rubbish” has paid off for them so they can’t be too wrong.

          • Westy

            That’s funny. The category didn’t exist until the Territory came along. Get with the program. Holden have tried to play catch up with an inferior product. Again why not spend some dosh on Aussie made, give some aussies a job instead of importing from overseas. How much did they spend on the Billion dollar baby again?? Spend half that on developing their own brand like Territory and everyone would be laughing. But no, of course not, let’s import stuff as that’s easier. I have seen the word protectionism used far too often in this country and on this site referring to any suggestion of Australian made. How about invest in manufacturing here instead of sending everything offshore.

          • Gazza

            Didn’t Holden bring out the Adventra to compete with the Territory?
            Then the Captiva came along…

    • Callous Aussie

      As it is Holden’s only contender in that segment it is logical given the Holden/ Ford rivallry that it is indeed a competitor to the Territory.

    • Honda fan

      Bruzzer, I disagree. Captiva and Territory are both in VFACTS’ Medium SUV segment. Outlander, RAV4, Forester, CR-V, etc are in the Compact SUV segment.

      • Andrew M

        But Vfacts aside,
        I agree that its not really comparible to the Territory.

        Kluger and Territory are similar size, But I also reckon the Captiva seems a size smaller

        • Shak

          the captiva may not look like a competitor, but in actual fact it is. It is just as roomy, and offers a diesel(Tezza and Kluger dont).

          • Tinman

            Shak mate, the captiva is nowhere near as roomy as the Territory.
            Not in leg room, not in width and not in cargo space.
            You can not put two baby seats in the second row and still fit an adult between them in the captiva as you can in the Territory.
            The Captiva is smaller than the Santa Fe which in turn is smaller than the Territory.
            Ford Territory-Built by Australians for Australians

    • Wheelnut

      It’s the same as Toyota claiming that the FWD Aurion with its supposedly F1 Inspired V6 is a rival to the RWD Falcon and Commodore.. Not to mention that the 225Kw TRD would out-perform “its rivals” from FPV and HSV – WTF

  • Stevo

    I saw a commodore the other day. it looked grouse

  • Tim

    There are a lot of idiots in the world.

  • Smooth Operator

    The market has spoken, its what joe-average wants to buy the most.

    How many units over the Corolla did the Commodore do, would not have been much between them in the end.

    A *soft* win, BIGT was overall market leader and by a HUGE margain.

    BIGT need a RWD 6 sedan, not a oversized FWD job

    • Dlr1

      Why do Toyota need a Large RWD car? the market for them is now maybe 80,000???? and when you consider that if they did build one it may take a few falcon or commo sales and probably more sales from their own range (camry/aurion) so why bother? for street cred? It wouldnt make them any more money than they do now and its not like the 2 local RWD products are highly profitable.

      • Tomas79

        Too right,

        Also if someone wants a RWD toyota, go the lexus!

        • Wheelnut

          Yes Lexus do make RWD models – However; compared to the sales of your regular Toyoyta Sedans [Camry/Auron] sales of RWD Lexus sedans are relativel small..

          Therefore; by not offering a offering a RWD Sedan [in the same price range as the Falcon and Commodore] not only are they increasing the number of years it will take Lexus to recover the costs in the R&D of the RWD platform but are also missing out on another group of potential life long Toyota customers.

          Because Not everyone wants a Large FWD Sedan Tomas – if they did then the TRD Aurion would still be available…. and Skoda would be #1 in Oz now wouldn’t it?

          • Tomas79

            Lol, the Skoda Superb also comes in AWD, and you are telling us that if it was simplified to RWD, it would be selling as #1?
            Unfortunately my retarded friend, there are other things going agiants the skoda then just it’s complex drive train!! One is Protectionism….

            Also there is no honor for this dunnydore coming in #1. What is it good for when it’s still bleeding money for holden?!! If it was coming first and making profit, that would be another story!!

        • Wheelnut

          Funny thing is over the last decade Toyota have had no apparent problem in entering various other market sectors with new cars in order to compete with the more established makes such as BMW Merc-Benz – in the luxury sedan and SUV markets

          Yet they are somewhat reluctant [some would even say scared] to enter the budget/entry level RWD Sedan Market and challenge Holden and Ford.

          Even though with their supposed superior build quality; reliability; technology; innovation etc – if what the handful of Lexota fans n this site have told us is true; they would have no problem in matching the Commodore Falcon let alone beating them [Not to mention similar RWD sedans in the USA/Europe]

          But no – as Tomas says if you want a RWD Toyota you have to pay twice as much as a Commodore.. for what – a different badge!

          ….and if Toyota are so superior why haven’t they come up with something similar to match the WRX or EVO [in terms of price and performance]?

          • Tomas79

            Lol, you really are as thick as they come wheelnut?!

            Wheelnut says:”Yet they are somewhat reluctant [some would even say scared] to enter the budget/entry level RWD Sedan Market and challenge Holden and Ford.”

            Obivously since ford and holden haven’t made profit in years in this sector, why would Toyota bother?? In Australia they produce and export an internationally more desirable vehicle albeit not RWD…

            Wheelnut says:”But no – as Tomas says if you want a RWD Toyota you have to pay twice as much as a Commodore.. for what – a different badge!”

            And a much better built vehicle!!

            Wheelnut says:”….and if Toyota are so superior why haven’t they come up with something similar to match the WRX or EVO [in terms of price and performance]?”

            LOL!!! Seek help wheelnut for your obsession with toyota!!

          • Wheelnut

            Regardless of the fact that Holden and Ford haven’t made a profit for sometime

            Toyota could/should introduce a a new $30-40k RWD car a realistic competitor against the Commodore and Falcon

            The fact that Holden and Ford haven’t made a profit for sometime would make Toyotas victory even sweeter as they have beaten Holden and Ford at their own game.. would it not?

            That is of course if it managed to outsell the Commodore.

            They have taken on the establishment in the luxury car market [BMW M-B].. so why not take on the establishment at the other end of the market [Holden Ford] ?

          • Wheelnut

            Toyota do export a considerable number of cars from Australia.
            close to 60-70% if not more.

            However; have you ever stopped to think that the main reason for that is to help the other factories where the Camrion is built help meet with demand?

            ..and if things suddenly got worse for Toyota.. particularly if the tarrifs are reduced – there is the possibility that Toyo-kyo could close Toyo-Oz because the Camrion is built elsewhere in the world

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut you really do love me having to repeat myself??!!

            Wheelnut says:”They have taken on the establishment in the luxury car market [BMW M-B].. so why not take on the establishment at the other end of the market [Holden Ford] ?”

            Like I said, It’s not profitable… Holden and ford can’t go bleeding money forever… Toyota just has to wait, for them to die a natural death, before it will takeover wast majority of Ford and Holden’s current portion of fleet market.

            Wheelnut says:”However; have you ever stopped to think that the main reason for that is to help the other factories where the Camrion is built help meet with demand?”

            Who cares what the reason is, sale is a sale, and profit is profit!!!!!!

            Wheelnut says:”..and if things suddenly got worse for Toyota.. particularly if the tarrifs are reduced – there is the possibility that Toyo-kyo could close Toyo-Oz because the Camrion is built elsewhere in the world”

            Yeah, but since toyota exports most of it’s local produce, reduction in tarrifs won’t effect them as much as the other two locals!!
            And quiet frankly when one or two of the other locals folds, Toyota will fully capable to pick up the left over market share!!

          • Wheelnut

            Toyota aren’t really making a “profit” in the Luxury Car market either Tomas – because they aren’t “smashing ” BMW Merc-Benz or Audi.

            They don’t sell as many IS’s LS’s GSs RXs as BMW sell 3 series; 5 Series X5s or X6s.. or as many S-Class E-Class C-Class or ML Merc-Benzs sell.. [or Audi] do they?

            Not to mention that Richard Hammond said in the review of the LF-A: Lexus are selling it for less than what it cost them to build.. so how is that Profitable?

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut says:
            “Toyota aren’t really making a “profit” in the Luxury Car market either Tomas – because they aren’t “smashing ” BMW Merc-Benz or Audi.”

            Have you got the profit figures of lexus Wheelnut? I guess you are talking out of your @rse as ussual!! Profit wise, Lexus is regarded as one of the most successful luxury marks around!! Lexus doesn’t need to smash BMW, MB or Audies… As long as they make Profit on the vehicles they sell!!

            The LFA might not produce any profit, but it is a highly sought after product, and a very limited series… I’m sure Lexus have cleare reasoning behind it!!

            By going off-topic, I take it you agree with all my previous points!!

          • Matthew

            Don’t get too excited by alleged Lexus build quality. A guy at work has an RX330 with only 70,000km on it, pampered like a baby, but now chewing through so much oil it blows a smokescreen and leaves a black patch on the ground every time it moves. A shocker!

          • Safety First

            Tomas79 says:
            January 7, 2010 at 12:34 pm
            Have you got the profit figures of lexus Wheelnut?

            Seems Toyota didn’t have reliable profit figures until recently either… So you cant blame wheelnut for that…
            Lets see, sudden reshuffle of the upper Hierarchy adn all of a sudden go from a “forecasted 25bil profit” (matching the previous year) to a 7bil loss… 32bil turnaround in a month….. again read the facts the only manufacturer to make a profit last year was VWAG…

          • Wheelnut

            Tomas there is a difference between impressive and desirable –

            Because whilst the IS-F is fairly impressive its not what you would call desirable – well nit in my pinion anyway

            Particularly at such an over inflated price when there are so many other options on the market with [smaller] engines that make as much power as the LF-A.. are as fast as the LF-A and are cheaper than the LF-A

            Just like HSV with the W-427.. the 427 is an impressive car but there were a number of better options available.. and Just like HSV intended to build 427 W-427s but only ended up building 137.. there’s no guarantee that Lexus will sell the 500 LF-As like they plan to

            I mean For the price of an LF-A in Australia [$800k] you could buy a number of its “rivals” including a Lamborghini; Audi R8 ; Aston Martin or Ferrari etc..

            Cars which most people would regard as being more desirable because they have more heritage. I mean you could almost afford to buy a Veyron

            The W-427 was HSV’s hero car; a way of showing what they are capable of.. just like the LF-A is to Lexus.

          • Wheelnut

            Tom-assumes says: By going off-topic, I take it you agree with all my previous points!

            Tomas – I have never agreed with you on any of your narrow-minded ignorant arrogant comments…. which you try to pass of as FACT so what makes you think that I would start now?

            As for my “obsession” with Toyota: It could be said that you are just as obsessed with Holden [if not more so].. because you make derogatory comments about Holden at every opportunity you get –

            As evidenced by the countless times you make off topic comments on articles which are about cars that you aren’t interested in.
            so that we end up “discussing” [and i use the term very loosely] about the cars that you do like – that being Toyota or Skoda

            I am merely doing the same in relation to your beloved Toyota in order to balance the ledger.

            If the topic is about Holden [or Ford] you say how you believe that they are inferior to Toyota or Skoda..
            If the topic is about Toyota or Skoda you say how much better you believe they are than Holden [or Ford]

            Either way on virtually every blog we end up arguing about Holden/Ford vs Toyota/Skoda
            All because you are unwilling or unable to accept the FACT that people may have a different opinion to yours.

            Which is why I made that comment on the article about expected strong sales of new cars in 2010

        • Underling

          In Aust,rwd is not a Luxury item.Its the base model.

          • Tinman

            YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • stuzz

      With all the “fleet sales” bashing and comparison to corolla sales, got any figures on fleet corolla sales? Bet there are a few considering every second hire car seems to be a small toyota. I pity the reps travelling the country in corolla autos!

  • Will

    Protectionism has spoken. Nothing more inspiring than a fleet car.

  • mh2408

    SO why just tell us about Holden? Give us the stats form the whole market.

  • MD-88

    Corolla was 5,000+ units behind Commodore. Interestingly the Corolla was ALMOST outsold by Hilux.

    • James

      If the Corolla actually received some proper model diversity in the Australian range via engine options, rather than tarted up ‘specs’ (i.e. DIESEL engine – European/Asia/Africa markets, but not Australia, and V6 engine for a sports model – Japan…) then the Corolla would have more hope of eclipsing current sales figures of the Commodore and move further ahead of the HiLux (oh wait, the HiLux has engine options doesn’t it…)

    • Matt

      I think the investment allowance scheme had a bit to do with that. My dad is a builder and he said LOTS of other builders who would otherwise have gone something cheaper have got one under the scheme

  • Technofreak

    No the bogandore is not the best selling car. It’s a fleet car. These figures are so screwed :(

    Protectionism.

    • Shak

      Well you lot cant blame protectionism any more. The tariffs have been significantly reduced, so importers SHOULD bring their prices down. Oh but wait they wont, because they are happy to keep ripping us off. it just goes to show even with reduced prices from the competition The Commodore and Falcon will still outsell every large car in Australia. And BTW i am a Holden fanboy, but i do admit that Falcon is the better large car for the moment.

    • MD-88

      Well then Technofreak, what IS the best selling car?! I have the VFACTS in front of me and statistics do infact suggest that Holden did sell 44,387 VE Passenger vehicles.

      Infact, by buyer type….. Retail sales of passenger vehicles exceeded Business/Fleet sales by over 40,000 units.

      I, and I suspect others too, am interested in the facts you can bring to the discussion. I’d love to hear your figures.

      • Trump

        Do the stats differentiate between private buyers and business? Cause last time i heard what people were actually spending their own hard earned coin on it was Mazda in the lead by brand. Surprising cause only really the 3 and 6 for them to sell in numbers, compared to Holden/Toyota which have established vehicles in all segments.

        • Safety First

          Unfortunately the stats aren’t able to give correct break ups, see people like Mazda and Subaru don’t “Sell to Fleet” however my fleet department sold 20 Subaru’s and 25 Mazdas last month… and the story is the same everywhere. So very hard to coralate when the Manufacturers / importers don’t record them seperatley..

    • Safety First

      So, by your rationale then Toyota is not the number one Selling brand in the country because over 60% of it’s numbers went to govco alone?? Let alone the mines and the other major fleets it sells to..
      Under your rationale, what brand does then qualify as the number one??

    • JEKYL & HYDE

      fleet sales end up (mostly) as second hand retail sales don’t they(and mums and dads drive them,don’t they).some fleets buy cars purely for resale value.some (smart ones)actually have them sold before they buy them…

    • Tinman

      To technofreak, You need to show a bit more respect for the people who design and build the Commodore. That’s if your Australian at all.

    • Andrew M

      The 2 runner ups are also big fleet sellers (especially Hilux), so whats your point

      • Wheelnut

        I don’t think that the Toyo-lovers shouldn’t go on about how the Commodore is mostly sold to fleets

        Because If you excluded fleet sales and only counted private sales of “passenger” vehicles – Holden would probably fall to 5th. However; Toyota would most likely fall much further

        Because a considerable number of Yaris; Corollas; Camrys/Aurions; Prius; Hiluxes Klugers Landcruisers and Hiaces are sold to fleets.. mainly car hire companies; government departments and mining companies.. in some cases at greater discounts than what Holden offer with the Commodore

    • Wheelnut

      That doesn’t really matter

      What matters [as far as V-FACTS are concerned] is how many Commodores are sold – they; just like Holden don’t particularly care how many of them are sold to fleets.

      I wonder if your comments would be any different if the 2nd Place Corolla won? – given that its also a fleet car as most of its sales are to car-hire companies

    • Wheelnut

      Fleet management companies [like most people] are after the best deal they can get and are often looking for a car which is the most suitable to their needs and is relatively cheap to repair and maintain – there is also the issue of resale value given that most fleets are replaced after 40,000kms

      So the fact that Fleet management companies “prefer” the Commodore more than the other locally made 6s [although the Falcon isn't far behind] indicates how good the Commodore is..

      I mean a Fleet Management company isn’t going to be interested in buying a car which spends most of the time in the workshop are they?

      Not only that but some fleet cars are abused. So the fact that there are still so many “rep-mobiles” still on our roads after 10-15 years is a testament to the Commodores reliability/longevity.

  • Brett

    Not so cheap garbage for an undiscerning market.

    As P.T. Barnum famously said; “There’s a sucker born every minute”.

    No one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the general public, and the fact that the Commodore continues to sell in numbers is yet another proof of Barnum’s law.

  • Andronicus

    Hey if that’s what people want then fair enough, no need to start bashing.
    Meanwhile Holden are continuing to push the cruze as a small car… drove one the other week, not bad, bit bland but did the job but sure don’t think it fits in small car catergory. Thoughts?

    • Golfschwein

      I agree: its footprint is bigger than the old Camira’s and almost up to VB Commodore size. I checked through my old WHEELS mags recently to find that out.

      Elsewhere here, things have developed fairly predictably into a sh!tfest concerning fleet sales versus private sales, Corolla sells to hire companies, government purchases blah blah rhubarb rhubarb.

      The market is the market, chaps. And Commodore is the favourite. Go to Bunnings, but some wood, build a bridge and get over it.

      • Safety First

        Yes the size lines have become very very blures these days, Small car Cruze is bigger than Medium Camira, Focus Sedan is bigger than the Original Mondeo and the Cortina.. New Mondeo / 6 / Accord & Euro / Liberty are challengers to BA/F Falcon Sizing… Camry is Medium and Aurion is Large…seems to a lot of poetic licence being used out there..

        • Captain Nemo

          Yeah Safety First i have always been facinated about this size thing the original Accord would have been about the size of a Jazz and now its Falcon size. Personally i blame America for car growth nearly all makers want sucess in the US market so each gen of car gets fatter to suit the Yanks and the rest of the world has to suffer.

          And my favorite is the Camry with a 4cyl its a mid size car with a V6 its a large car it will be interesting to see if a Falcon with a 4cyl turbo is classed as small car but i doubt it.

    • Matt

      I agree. When someone says “small car” you think more Jazz / Barina / Fiesta size, not something that only weighs 200 kgs less than a Commodore

  • Control Blade

    Just shows that car buyers here are prepared to settle for second best. Or worse. But in reality because GM sell Commodores mainly to fleets it doesnt matter of its a good car or not. This is why GM in australia keep making a loss because they have to sell to fleets so cheaply to boost their sales.

    Lets not forget that the NEW model Commodore recently came last in a 6 car comparison of large cars……that is how good it really is. And not to mention another VE recall recently. The few private buyers of the GM Commodore should go drive something else before paying through the nose for a second rate car. They obviously dont test other makes because if they did they wouldnt buy one of these.

    • Frenchie

      Actually that was the Calais that came last in “Car Advices” comparison of large cars.

    • Devil666

      It was a CA comparison, they are biased through the nose.

      • Shak

        CA are one of the least biased motoring forums . I agree the Calais did not deserve to come last, in my opinion it should have at least beat the Skoda.

        • Tomas79

          Calais did deserve to come last, it is a below par, bland looking vehicle, that is badly put together!!

          • Andrew M

            Calais didnt deserve to come last.

            For one the Aurion is no better quality wise than any other aussie vehicle (yes, including Commy), but the Calais looks and drives many times better

    • Wheelnut

      Not only that but the cars had different characteristics – the biggest one being that some were FWD some were RWD.. which would have had an effect on the overall outcome..

      I mean by comparing FWD v RWD you can’t make an accurate assessment as how the Skoda [for example] compared against the Calais around a test track etc.. one is being pushed around a corner the other is being pulled therefore the performance/handling is going to be different.

      Not only that but as we have seen on this site. Those who prefer either the RWD Commodore or Falcon are unlikely to consider/buy a FWD Skoda [and vice versa] regardless of how good they are – so why bother?

      • Tomas79

        The Skoda was AWD and totally smashed the competition for handling!!

        • Wheelnut

          You really are as Thick as they come aren’t you Tomas; you rock ape?

          If you read my comment properly you would see my point was that even though the cars in the Large Car Comparison were the same size

          The fact that there were RWD FWD and AWD cars means that in terms of performance and handling you couldn’t really compare them because they would have different “characteristics”.. RWD FWD and AWD cars all have certain advantages and disadvantages.

          You say that the AWD Skoda “smashed the competition” but how do you think it would go against a WRX and Evo Lancer a Nissan GT-R or Audi R8?

          That would be a more realistic comparison as they are all AWD just like the Skoda.

          • Tomas79

            No Wheelnut, you still are much, much thicker!!

            The cars in the Large Car Comparison were the same size, and had the same intended FUNCTION!

            Yes the RWD, FWD, AWD have different characteristics but they were still evaluated in terms of handling on their own merit!!!

            Yes the AWD Skoda totally smashed the falcon and holden in terms of handling, And so did some of the FWD cars so get over it!!!

            Wheelnut says:”but how do you think it would go against a WRX and Evo Lancer a Nissan GT-R or Audi R8?

            That would be a more realistic comparison as they are all AWD just like the Skoda.”

            LOL, seriously Wheelnut, are they Large family cars??
            It’s really the foolish statements such as these that make you sound like a village/forum idiot, you are!!

          • Underling

            Tomas – what Fwd large car out handled falcon and commodore?

          • Tomas79

            Underling read the large car comparison and then read the points table…
            I think it’s the Maxima and accord!!!

          • Wheelnut

            You say that They were assessed on their own merit..

            Which is correct but because there were FWD RWD and AWD cars you can’t realistically say that the AWD car smashed the FWD or RWD cars because they perform and handle differently with different drive-lines different suspension settings.. that is my point.

            The GT-R WRX EVO or Audi aren’t large family cars; but its the drive-line that is the biggest influence on a cars performance so its more logical to compare an AWD car like the Skoda up against other AWD cars.. that is my point

            BTW – ALL cars perform the sane intended function.. they are all a mode of transport.

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut, Yes the awd superb totally smashed the other RWD family cars in terms of handling!!

            You point is stupid, some one wanting a large family car won’t be buing a GT-R WRX EVO or Audi R8…

            You really sound stupid by grasping at straws like that!!

          • Matthew

            My small FWD car catches up to and outhandles every Commodore or Falcon I have experienced. Maybe the drivers are all idiots (can’t blame the cars for that) and the cars deserve better, and I know the Falcodores have more power and will whip me in a straight line . . . but throw in some corners and they struggle, have to cut over the centre line and can’t keep up. I have driven a few Falcodores too and understand, they are big, heavy cars. Weigh almost double my little car (1,020kg).

            Before the haters attack, I know the Falcodores are fun to drive in isolation, but get behind the wheel of a *well sorted*, even modestly powered FWD car on a twisty road and you will be blown away. And not have to stop for petrol so often.

          • Gazza

            Matthew, I’ll put my family of five and a 150kg of luggage in your small FWD car and we’ll see how well it handles then.
            Some people want/need larger cars.
            Space, towing, power, comfort…turning the highway into a race track is not the top of everyones list when they are selecting a car

  • adam (aka mada)

    A pity that sales do not always reflect the class leading vehicles.

    Toyota wouldn’t be the top selling brand if they actually outclassed the competition in every aspect.

    Marketing wins.

  • Underling

    For any car manufacturer to have the top selling car for 14 years in a row,in any country on earth,would have to be called a success.

    • Tomas79

      Nah, success is when the manufacturer actually makes profit!!

      Pushing cars to fleet below true cost is easy, but wont let them survive in the long term…

  • S

    Agreed, no-one parts with their money without strong consideration be it fleet or private.

    • Callous Aussie

      I agree with both these last two comments. The commodore represents good solid motoring in the price class. The Falcon has done its dash with many buyers due to ongoing quality issues. Yes even now. Paint cover is a bigger even today.

      Buyers don’t forget and so the ford has struggled in recent years.

      All those in here that hate the commodore have got to get past their own issues. The reality is that for 35k on road it is a good vehicle. There are many better vehicles available but once you start towing rwd is the way to go. So then two options. Falcon or Commodore. Unless of course you want to part with twice as much money or buy a 4wd. Many women won’t drive Hilux type vehicles. So holden wins. get over it.

      • Andrew M

        please name these ongoing quality issues with Falcon??

        ongoing Poor quality marketing is the only one that springs to mind

  • adam (aka mada)

    Brand loyalty perhaps? slashed prices perhaps?
    I work in the auto industry and see it every day…

    The best car does not always sell the best!!

    I bet Holden makes no more profit than Ford Oz, that tells you something…

    • Callous Aussie

      I bet you’re wrong. Holden are doing very nicely at the moment with the Cruze. Sourcing from Korea is starting to pay off. Ford Australia are less profitable. Holden’s engine plant can’t keep up with demand for export either.

      • Safety First

        Umm the largest number of Cruze’s were delivered straight into the open arms of Avis and Budget.. Check out your local airport rental car park.. This is done to get the cars out there being driven with the posibility of leading to further sales due to public familiarity with seeing the car. Plus the perception of the vehicle must be good because there are so many out there and there is a waiting list. This is good marketing, not profit making though… Although with the $200,000 hand shake they got over and above the money issued for Cruze production setup they should be making a profit.
        As per Ford, they have changed their market, instead of being major supplier to Police and Govco with Falcon they are concentrating on the private and private company sales (much like Mazda). Previuosly XT was the major volume car for Ford and the XR and Futura Fairmont range were just brochure fillers.. Now the XR is the major line and the G series make up the rest of the bulk with XT taking under 15% of Falcon production. Yes they are discounted but then so is Commodore with it’s International package. Internal info is Ford has increased it’s per car profit substantially when compared to the other two manufacturers.
        BTW, I know the Camry and Aurion sell for less than the Falcon at RRP, and don’t have as large advertised discounts to the public, but they actually cost roughly the same to build so they are already discounted.. Much the same way Ford has set it’s G6E in comparison to Calais.. G6e priced as Calais, equiped as Calais V..

        • Callous Aussie

          All the hire car places up in Cairns (a major hire area) are full of Corollas, Getz , Aurions Vw’s and to a lesser extent Falcons. Not a Cruze to be seen in either Thrifty or Eurocar’s yards and I’d know. I was a client recently.

          No manufacturer will direct its vehicles to Fleet when there is a 2-3 month waiting list for private buyers. I have looked at the backs of the Cruze’ up here to check for the labels and they are all dealership labels. Not a hire car label anywhere to be seen. There are heaps of them on the roads and Holden have sold 2000 + per month so to suggest they are all going to fleet smacks of an envious ford fanboy to me.

          Your comments just don’t add up. Cairns is a major fleet market for hire cars as it is Australia’s 3 rd biggest tourism destination behind Sydney and the Gold Coast. So why , given Thrifty and Europe car are nationals would they exclude Cairns when ordering Cruze? Something smells.

          • Safety First

            Well I did actually give you the brand names of the rental companies. To be upfront about it I don’t recall seeing either of those companies having to many Holdens ever.. Considering Thrifty is still partially owned by MMAL. And wether you can see any business sense in car companies doing it or not is immeterial, as they do it to get the cars on the road. If you are looking for a rental car from Hertz or Avis Or Budget, you will find a little bar code sticker located on the rear quarter windows and both screens. No Rental stickers anywhere. And maybe I might know more about what they buy due to the fact that I deliver Fords and Toyotas to them… have doen so since Daewoo did the exact same thing in the late nineties. Why do you think even Skoda sell to Europcar?? As has Mazda, Nissan, Honda, Subaru, VW and Mercedes Benz just so that they can ge the cars out there and being driven.

          • Andrew M

            ha ha ha ha Cairns is the be all and end all of hire cars?? ha ha ha

            Cairns would only be a dot on brisbane, sydney and melbournes airort for volume of hire cars.
            If you think the stash of hire cars at the air port up your way is huge, Check out the much bigger southern ones

        • Matt

          I read somewhere that the XT Falcon is a low enough percentage now that if you want one you have to order it specially.

          • Safety First

            Correct. Dealer stock is very low on XT, Most dealers carry the volume selling XR6 and G6 and up wards. We have 3 in stock, compared to 40 XR’s and G series… and i have not retailed an FG XT. Compare that to 18 months ago when all we sold was XT’s SR’s & Classics….

  • Gazza

    The Commodore is not a great car but it is a good car.
    Loads of power, safety, space, warranty and most importantly, dealers that will negotiate.
    They have virtually everything the average family needs and at a reasonable price compared to the rest of the market.
    Not my first choice of vehicle but I can understand whay they sell so many.

  • adam (aka mada)

    Take Holdens total investment in exports and local sales volume, then take Fords and see who is more profitable.

    I don’t care what car sells the best, profit is what keeps companies alive.

    You wouldn’t see Mazda, Honda, Subaru etc surviving if sales volume was the only defining factor.

    Ford sells an equal number of locally produced and sold vehicles as holden yet doesn’t export any LHD vehicles, yet Falcons development costs are less than half of Holdens which has seen Middle Eastern and US exports of Zeta/VE platforms drop to almost nothing.

    Falcon sold less than commodore, yet falcon ute beats commodore ute and sales of territory make up the remaining local Ford volumes, does Holden assemble a territory competitor locally??

    Again Holden will not make a significant profit over Ford Oz.

    • Joe5619

      You have forgotten the fact Holden have workers doing nothing every 2nd week at 50% pay to sit at home with a cup of tea!! That must be real profitable!! Ford mean while is working at 100% setup capacity

      • Wheelnut

        That’s true – However; its good to see that in these tough times Holden have made an arrangement with their workers to keep them on at 50% pay..

        They could have sacked them which would have cost them more in entitlements such as Annual/Long Service Leave etc.. Not to mention an increase in the number of those dependant on centrelink which would resulted in an increase in taxes etc.

        Not only that but by keeping the workers on; it saves Holden money in advertising recruitment ant training costs when things pick up again.. which they will with the deal to provide USA Highway Patrol Cars etc

        • Safety First

          Interesting that one isn’t it?? Commodore number one seller, Falcon down on that by a fair amount of bragging rights to team Red….. However Ford is running two shifts and is building to an order bank of already sold vehicles.. Holden still has staff off 50% of the time?
          Ford finished ’09 with very very few cars on grass, and the dealers haven’t really got to much left neither. From what I’ve seen Holden hasn’t faired as well and Toyota is looking like a world of hurt with it’s Australian product line.. particularly the dealers..
          Wonderful to be number 1 hey???

          • Wheelnut

            Particularly when Toyo-kyo are deciding whether or not to give Toyo-Oz the go ahead [and the funding] for a new engine assembly plant to build the engines for the next generation of Whitegoods which could be built at Altona.

          • Andrew M

            Toyota will be hurting heavily due to the increase in the aussie dollar value, and the reduction of import levies.

            Thats the sad story attached to exporting from a nation with a strong dollar, and it is also why Ford canned its export plans

  • adam (aka mada)

    anyone know what average transaction price Ford sold falcon for? same for Holden and the commodore?
    Say Holden sold every commodore for $1000 less than Ford sold every falcon, does the top selling mantel appear so important then?

    And we all know that falcon is rated a better overall package than the commodore, same goes for Mazda 3 corolla, yet corolla outsold the Mazda 3…

  • NYS

    Holden haven’t made a profit for how long?

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Holden spent how much money to develop the new Commodore? Was it a BILLION or so?
    And they are happy with 44,000 sales?
    Unless the Commodore’s numbers improve massively they will never see a return on investment.
    Holden need a BIG export deal to justify Commodore’s future.

    • Callous Aussie

      Don’t tell half a story. The money spent on Commodore was largely the development of the platform which will go under numerous GM models world wide. As you claim to be a vehicle salesman you should have known this. Holden’s parent company contributed are large amount of funding to help develop the platform. So did the government.

      • Safety First

        Hmm That platform WAS to be used under several vehicles but has been designated as too heavy.. Cadillac used the Sigma with Zeta Hybrid platform for it’s Flagship CTS-V. Rumour has it that the Comaro is the only other vehicle to use VE’s platform before it is mothballed as being to heavy..

        It is this reason why I have (if you haven’t already noticed on previous threads) such a dislike to Bob Lutz.. the driving force behind VE and the reason it became so heavy and underdone in the end..

        Also don’t forget that a large amount was spent on line upgrades etc. So that was needed anyways. But for for the rest, we should have ended up with a vehicle that truly rivaled the Europeans, not just in handling, but body structure, safety and weight reduction. I feel for the guys in the design teams out here because (so I have been told by their counterparts) they could have done more if Detroit had of kept it’s nose out of it..

        • Wheelnut

          When Holden were looking at a New Commodore GM wanted them to use the [Pontiac] Sigma Platform. Holden assessed its suitability etc but decided not to and put forward a plan to build a 100% all new Commodore.

          At the time [Former Holden CEO] Denny Mooney was the CEO at Pontiac; couldn’t understand why Holden said NO to the Sigma..
          However; when Mooney [unfortunately] became CEO at Holden he said that the Zeta platform is a much better platform with a lot of potential and that Holden made the right decision.

        • Wheelnut

          GM-Holden ave invested too mush in the R&D of the Zeta Platform for them to shelve it anytime soon.

          However; the Zeta platform is one of the best RWD platforms in the GM line up.. So whilst it might be a little bit heavier than what it could/should be [in order to make it safer etc] it’s a good place to start.

          Holden Designer; Peter Hughes has said they are planning to reduce the weight whilst maintaining the level of safety.. light weight materials such as aluminium is one option but that could have an impact on price

          • Safety First

            Couple of things missed in Zeta and VE that should have been there from day dot. Better Metals should have gone into the structure to add strenght and torsional rigidity. Thus allowing for a lighter cap to be used. This would have also allowed for the A pillars to have been made smaller, and a split fold rear seat. Whilst I understand that the faithful will claim that the rear seat is fine because the boot is big, the boot is actually small (compared to rivals and the larger Medium cars that also compete for market dollar) and the A pillars are a major sales concern to the private market.. (remember I do talk to the same retail customers and hear their concerns).
            Whilst I may sound like a Ford brochure here, I am mentioning this because it is direct opposition. Ford now uses Boron Steel (a very strong, if heavy, steel alloy) that allows for more strenght out of smaller structural area. This is how it gets the items missed by Commodore (and Aurion). THis has been passed on by Ford Eu, and should have been included in Zeta and VE. It was available.
            I believe that, for the investment, Commodore deserved a better front end set up than Mac struts. and it should have recieved a better rear end as well (the current one is good but not ground braking)
            See the problem being, in my perspective and from talking to people from the dark (red) side, is that every time the boffins tried to go with something new, the good ol boy’s canned in in favour for what they believed worked. Thus you ended up with an up to date vehicle that is now showing it’s age, being driven by an outdated driveline when Holden could have (and deserved) a vehicle far in advanced. If Holden had aligned it’s team with Opel rather than Detroit the result would have been way different.

        • Frenchie

          So if the commodore lost 200kg it make it a better car? I think Mark Reuss said that it has lost 100kg since it was introduced. If they start using light weight materials maybe Holdens could take a shortcut?

          • Shak

            Yes it would. Thats the main reason they drink so much. if they can even manage a 50 kg weight saving, that will be good. They cant go on increasing weight every model cycle. Maybe then the 3.0 litre will get even better results and really rub it in the Mondeo’s face.

          • Andrew M

            How will cars ever get lighter when the buying public and media expects so much more standard kit at each revision

      • http://skyline The Salesman

        And how many numerous GM products are their now that this platform would be used?

    • Shak

      That 44 000 sales is in its third year of sales and is well down on the previous years. And as the below comments stated they had to develop a whole platform, and GM and our Governments did contribute quiet a bit of money. Ford used a slightly revised platform for the Falcon and they haven’t sold as much. Theres a reason the Holden Commodore is the best selling car in Australia. Whether it be fleet or private, they are sales. Theres a reason all these groups buy the commodore. Because it satisfies so many criteria. It can please fleets and the private sector. And people should not go around saying its the cut pricing for fleets, because falcon would be a similar price to try and attract any sort of fleet attention. A Commodore is more costly to begin with so its the car that more people and fleets choose to buy with their money.

  • Golfschwein

    Holden’s retired Tony Hyde is on record as regretting not being able to do thinner windscreen pillars, for instance.

    On the plus side, the Statesman is sold as a Chev in the Middle East, as a Buick Park Avenue in China and a Daewoo L4X in Korea. Soon, it’ll be a Yankee cop car.

    The VE sedan itself is sold in the Middle East, South Africa and Brazil as a Lumina or Omega and, stripped and dieted, becomes a Camaro. It did good trade as a Pontiac for a while. And they all come from here.

    If Ford spent a billion bucks on the Falcon, they\’d want this sort of global coverage. They didn’t and haven’t.

    • Callous Aussie

      VE is also sold throughout Asia including the stretched version in Singapore, Malaysia and China.

      I’ll place a bet that given GM’s woes in the USA the zeta platform goes under numerous models.

      • Wheelnut

        Particularly as Former Holden Chief Designer and now GM Head Designer – Mike Simcoe said [on a recent visit to Oz] that the Aussie Designers and Engineers at the State of the Art Holden Design Studio are likely to have more of an influence than what they do ATM in the R&D of a number of upcoming GM Projects.

        There will always be those who prefer RWD – particularly those who love high performance/sports cars.. so there will always be a place for the Zeta Platform.. and [despite recent rumours] I don’t think GM will ever get rid of the Camaro or the Corvette

  • Tinman

    Dear Safety First, the Europeans have buckley’s chance of developing a clean slate RWD platform of the size and power of the Commodore and then getting to my local dealer where I can buy it for $35 000.

  • spellbound

    Boring , so many out there as repmobiles , god help any one who buys an ss or hsv , just looks like a reps box tarted up .

    Camry might have stiched up the gov , but every rep in oz drives a crummer , zzzzzz, and thats what keeps em selling , not private buyers , they are more discerning .

    • Shak

      so what would you prefer a 3 series, because in Europe its main market it is considered a rep mobile. ont judge a car by who drives them, because i know a lot of a@#$holes who drive exotic italians(i wont list them to destroy their image).

  • spellbound

    Bloody nice rep moblie the 3 series , well screwed together , no nasty plastics very eco friendly and its got style , alfa nice looker too , sorry crummer looks bland as .

    • Shak

      The interior is just as bland as the commodores and if you maintain the commodore properly it will live as long as ur 3 series. On the other hand the Commodore has much more room, power, and IMO almost as stylish. I gues we each prefer different things.

    • Wheelnut

      Yeah but how many 3 Series BMWs are there on the road [either here in Australia or in Germany] that are over 15-20 years old ?

      • Shak

        not as many compared to the Commodore due to their high service costs.

      • Tomas79

        I bet in terms of percentage per car sold there are, there are!!

        • Shak

          HUH?

        • Matthew

          @Tomas79 is suggesting you see more older Commodores than 3 series because a lot more Commodores were sold than 3 series. Probably 20 times more? I don’t know the stats and too lazy to look them up. But his point is correct.

          • jon

            Yeah and how many 15-20 yr old Commodores aren`t falling apart? Not many, only the ones driven by the Grandpa`s who only drive them once a week or young tools who have bought the Grandpa`s car.

          • Wheelnut

            Even if there were more Commodores sold than there were 3 series [which there most likely were]

            If Holden/Commodores build quality; reliability etc was/is as bad as Tom-assumes [and Co] would like us to think; then there would be more 3 series sedans around – but there aren’t

            There are even quite a considerable number of other Holdens which are more than 20-30 years old on our roads.

          • Tomas79

            Lol, Retard Level Mathematics Wheelnut!!
            I didn’t give you any figures!!

            And yes, Commodore build quality and reliability is terrible!!! Who are you kidding? Read many of the Australian industry reports, or just have a look at one your self?!!

            Funny how come the majority of broken down vehicles on the side of the road are Falcadores?

          • Safety First

            Double edged sword this one and very hard to prove either way. However lets look at a couple of points. The BMW had supposed better build quality, but cost substantially more than the Commodore for similar specifications (79 VB SL 2.8 man $7658.00 vs 80 BMW 318 4cyl man $16250.00), this then restricted it to a rather different demographic of driving styles and of different Service mindsets.. Aka the more discerning owner of the BMW is more likely to keep his car clean and take it to a “better” qualified specialist mechanic rather than a generic one. This in itself should mean that the BMW lasts longer.
            Then throw in other factors such as the BMW was bought by single / professional / retired people, the Commodore found homes more in the Family / Company /Government roles. The level of vehicle abuse offered by these groups again should mean that the BMW should survive better.
            Next Factor is that as age got into the vehicles the subsequent owners of the BMW were more the enthusiast and car type person where as the Commodore was still the family hack and learner / P plate / young hoon car. The hoon car came about due to it’s low entry level costing (at that stage) and the reign of Peter Brock and MHDT. See a pattern forming here? the BMW will have had a Relatively easy life and as such “should” be in better condition.
            Having said that, I’m with wheelnut here in saying that there are (respectively) less BMW’s of that age running around now than what were sold new, percentage wise.

          • Matthew

            I would genuinely be interested in all readers of this site conducting a survey . . . for the next week, take note of the brand and how many cars over 20 years old you see on the road.

            That means pre-1990 cars.

            I think you would be surprised at the actual results. You will be surprised how many Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Toyota you see. And how few of the other brands you see. Given the enormous volumes of certain brands which were sold, it will be an interesting result.

            But I’m happy to be proven wrong. Test the theory yourself and see what the outcome is. Anywhere in Australia.

  • Robin Graves

    Time will tell. GM has already been given a lifeline, and if they continue to pump out crap cars and rebadged Daewoos, its only a matter of time. All the Baby Boomers are ageing, and gen Y tend to like import cars more than blindly following a redneck icon badge. tick tick boom!

  • Andrew

    Off topic,

    But has anyone else noticed that Holden has snuck a redesigned spoiler on to the back of the MY10 Commodores ?

    • Shak

      yep saw that. The SS now gets standard fare SV6 spoiler where the SS-V is the only one to get the high rise spoiler.

      • Andrew

        No no, that happened before , now they all get the small one, but with two flares sitting underneath ???

        • Shak

          Which small one, the one on the SV6. If you have any pics i would like to see them.

  • john

    According to fords own figures from 3 years ago. They average 85% fleet sales for the falcon. Holden commodore averaged 80% fleet and toyota 60% for the corolla. These figures may have changed since. For the last 3 years the Mazda 3 has been Oz’s top selling private car. Does it matter where a sale comes from? IMO no, but it is interesting too see what people buy when they spend their own money rather than somebody elses!

    • Shak

      If were speaking small cars then a lot of people seem to be buying the Cruze. IMO that is actually a better car than the Commodore. It just goes to show, if you have a car that meets most criteria and have very good marketing both people and the fleets will buy it.

  • freddo

    Well done Holden.
    Reasonable power, economy, price, comfort & rwd. What more do you want?
    The majority speaks!

  • jon

    Anything with out a Holden or a Ford badge.

  • Shane

    mmm, despite the Captiva outselling the Territory, after driving both versions the Territory I think is still leps and bounds above the Captive. Its only issue is its “dated” in the looks dept.

    Back onto topic, the only credit here is to the marketing dept at Holden, it may be best selling but its NOT the best large car in Australia, I would go Falcon and Toyota before Holden. Alot of people get sucked up in Holden’s marketing and also theres badge honor. I know lots of Holden owners who feel and admit the Falcon range is just as good and better yet still buy Holden because of badge honor!

  • Holden Recalls GM Daewoo Craptiva

    13,000 Captivas go back to Holden dealers after steering fails in two vehicles
    7 January 2010
    HOLDEN has recalled 13,000 early-build Captiva SUVs after two of the Korean-made vehicles in Australia suffered loss of steering control, with one vehicle being involved in a low-speed accident.

    The fault appears to have resulted from incorrect fitment on the production line of the steering intermediate shaft, which connects the steering column with the steering rack, in some cars.

    The recall of the current-model CG Captiva covers all vehicles sold over the first 18th months of the model, from June 2006 to December 2007.

    A Holden spokesperson said no one had been injured in the two incidents reported to the company.

    She said Holden had decided to recall all Captivas sold over the first 18 months of sales as a precaution, to check that the intermediate shafts were correctly installed.

    In its national advertisement today, Holden says: “Holden has identified a condition where, in some instances, the intermediate shaft which connects the steering column with the steering rack may become disconnected, resulting in loss of steering control.”

    Korean Quality Pfffffffffffft…. yeah right..

    • Tinman

      Two ways to look at this.
      #1.What do you expect from a car company(Daewoo),that went bankrupt and was taken over by another car company(GM),that subsequently went bankrupt.
      #2.This is a (Check) recall.Many of these vehicles will be under subsequent ownership and this would be a great way to introduce those owners to their nearest Holden service department. Great marketing program.

      • Robin Graves

        I’m sure many Craptiva owners would be regular visitors to their local Holden service department for all the wrong reasons.

        • Shak

          What about the many more territories that have had break failure and steering loss and all those things happen. Holden have issued a recall as soon as the problem arose. Only two cars were affected and one had had an accident. Deal with it Holden have a good vehicle on their hands and you guys just dont seem to like it.

          • Robin Graves

            Good vehicle? Only if you are a one-eyed DSV (Daewoo Special Vehicles) fan. They are junk.

          • Andrew M

            Exactlly how many incidents of territory brake failures have there been recorded???
            Keep in mind that the brake issue isnt a total failure, and even if the issue arises it is still apparently with in the limits of allowed standards.

          • Safety First

            Amazing isn’t it? One juorno starts a campaign, and it becomes fact.. To this day Smithy still hasn’t released the thousands of complaints and all the info he has apparently got on the Catastrophic brake failure that (in his words) is just a plain miracle that no one has had an accident from let alone died because of! despite countless requests from the CEO of Ford motor comapny Australia. Now if he had the info, in the interest of his readers and the safety of the general public surely he would pass this on, you would, wouldn’t you?
            Of the 1288 lines that the dealership I’m at has replaced, 2 were split. 8 showed signs of stress. Recall was done for PR reasons because the public will believe a Journo with no engineering qualifications, before a manufacturer. This has all been coverd before but some tolls still only want to believe what they want.
            Same with the runaway Explorer last month, the police have released that they can find no fault with the vehicle but has the media run that story? Not nationally! Has the car been handed over to Ford to see if there is something that needs to be fixed to save a life?? NO! Why? Because it will be found that there is nothing wrong with that vehicle! The recall affected a different Explorer awith a different wiring route, that shorted out and caught fire. Not posessed the car with demons…
            Also some media outlets first reported the vehicle as a Territory, did they appologise for the angst that they caused the Territory owners and correct themselves? No they just changed to calling iut a FOrd 4wd..
            Same will hapen with things like the Craptiva recall and the Floor mat recall for Toyota if they ever fall out of favour of the media

          • Robin Graves

            Today Tonight just had a special on the Craptiva, and they actually mentioned the nickname ‘craptiva’ in the article. Big picture of a lemon behind it, and ‘lemon’ on the license plate. Classic

          • Tinman

            Hang on Shak, you would be amongst the first to bag Hyundai/Kia/Daewoo,like all the other Holden lovers.

  • Byron

    Great news for Holden! :D Commodore won again. I love how Holden Commodore can still win 14 years later. Captiva doing a great job & Cruze, well it has surprised me too. Barina hit the 1000+ mark on december probably with free sunroof offer. I never got to see the review about Captiva on Today tonight, but my friend has one & it’s fine, though it broke down, but instead they got given a Cruze while its getting fixed, but it’s a really good car once your in it. Prefer it over a Territory. Go Holden! :D

    Anyone got any news on VF Commodore?