The July, Euro IV emissions cut-over is looming for Ford’s performance stable. With FPV’s current 5.4-litre BOSS V8 getting the axe, details of the infamous 5.0-litre Coyote V8 have been released in the USA.

Producing 307kW and 529Nm of torque, the 5.0-litre V8 engine uses Twin Independent Variable Camshaft Timing (Vi-VCT) to facilitate variable cam timing for its DOHC heads.

One of the main advantages of the smaller capacity V8 is fuel efficiency. The American specification of the 5.0-litre V8 sees highway fuel consumption of 9.8L/100km, while city fuel consumption increases to 14.7L/100km. The combined fuel efficiency figure is 12.25-L/100km.

While the Australian specification of the engine is likely to change from the US specification, the drop in fuel is a saving of 1.75L/100km or around 12.5% over the current 5.4-litre BOSS engine.

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In addition to the new engine, FPV will facelift the FPV range in July, adding further differentiation between the FPV range and the FG Falcon range, as pictured with the front car-bra.

Spy photographers from Pavle.com.au spotted the white mule testing with a loaded trailer. The vehicle was spotted conducting acceleration runs under full load.

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Insiders have suggested an increase in rear tyre width, an issue that has dogged the FG FPV range, which trails its HSV competition by 30mm.

The new quad-exhaust Coyote mule was also spotted by Pavle.com.au in traffic and can distinctly be heard as it drives past in the following video.

The GT-H moniker registered as a trademark by Ford Australia is likely to be reserved for a high output version of the Coyote. The supercharged GT-H was first captured by CarAdvice in June, 2009.




  • RD

    The rear taillights appear to have new lenses as well. A preview of the FH?

    • Andrew M

      Not so sure on that…..

    • Minnow

      Nope same taillights as existing, i think the G6′s tail lights look the best with the darkened surrounds. The visible chrome imo makes it look like dodgy altezzas.

  • Andrew M

    The photos arent showing up for me.

    Is it an error in the posting of them, or perhaps my virus thingy blanking them out????

    • Benjie

      I had the same issue. Appears to be fixed now, just refresh it.

      • Andrew M

        Sorted.

  • Andrew M

    Perjaps Lincoln knows a little more about this project.
    Judging by the last pic he has certainly had something to do with this….

  • Robin Graves

    Why is it infamous? A V8 from this century unlike Holden’s museum piece.

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

      Because of all the speculation prior to its release.

    • Callous Aussie

      All the more reason why Ford must be peeved. That “museum piece” has slaughtered Ford and for a pushrod engine is actually a remarkable bit of kit. That comment exposes your blue oval Robin.

      Personally I don’t give a rat’s about the whole ford /holden war and if they want to survive in this country as manufacturers they will both need to rethink their game. However beating up on the Gen4 shows a fair bit of biased and a complete lack of understanding about just how good the engine is for a pushrod donk.

      The fact that they still have the ability (if wanted) to take it a lot further up the power stakes shows just how capable and strong it is.

      • Robin Graves

        If the GM Pushrod V8 is such a ‘remarkable piece of kit’ – imagine how much better it could be if it was dragged kicking and screaming from the 19th century. Why make concessions on it being a pushrod engine? A pushrod engine in a car should not have existed for the last 20 years, unless its a truck. All these tune-ups and camshaft changes people make dont comply with emissions regulations etc, so your ‘power up if wanted’ remark is pointless in a new car discussion anyway. Do you see any Merc, BMW, Audi, Lexus or infiniti engines with pushrods? Not in the last 50 years

        • Callous Aussie

          No I don’t .But I did see them applauding it in one of its variations when it beat pretty much all of them on “Stock” tyres around the Nurburgring”. Not bad for a “truck engine”. Even some of the most die hard Ford fans have had the sense to acknowledge this is a very good engine. Just not the really thick ones.

          The Germans said it had no right to be able to rev as high as it does with pushrods and commended GM for it. BMW in particular were so impressed they pulled one apart. But of course you know more than all of them. The fact that it has totally dominated V8 sales in this country for so long means you must be right.

          • Robin Graves

            Yeah its not too bad ‘for a pushrod engine’ – but imagine how much better it would be if it was OHC? Thats twice now. It can rev high because of stiff valve springs and appropriate camshaft profiles – both of which are compromising performance and longevity to deal with valve train inertia. If the Chev engineers weren’t constrained by this the engine would be better, no doubt. So the question is why do they keep sticking with pushrods? Because its cheap and dumb.

            And just because something is popular or sells well doesnt make it good, look at Britney Spears.

          • Callous Aussie

            Ahh the desperation needing to bring some bimbo pop singer into your arguement. Any credibility you had (which wasn’t much) has just been destroyed.

            A cheap ,powerful and by all accounts very reliable V8 is dumb. OK then. So dumb it beat the GTR and various Koenig vehicles around Nurburgring. Go wrap yourself up in your Ford Doona with a hot toddy and get that temperature down. You’re embarrassing the more respected fans of the blue oval.

          • Robin Graves

            Actually Callous I’m not a Ford Fan at all, I just like cars with good tech that translate it into performance. I dont like people who blindly follow old tech just to fit in with the rest of the sheep. I see some drag racers are getting 10HP per cubic inch out of Toyota 2JZ sixes, thats the sort of thing that I like to see.

          • Callous Aussie

            Then I am surprised you like the Falcon at all. After all that sub-frame it sits on is hardly modern. If that reference to sheep has me included then you really do miss the point. The existing falcon V8 is a poor performer compared to the Holden V8 despite similar consumption and a supposedly “higher level” of sophistication.

            I don’t mind modern tech if it actually delivers something tangible but following it when it doesn’t really is running with the flock. But then I am personally well past the Holden/Ford rivallry. If i want to listen to a great V power car I’ll go straight to Aston Martin for the thrill.

            Neither of these home grown V8′s impress me much anymore. Considering drag racing at traffic lights incurs a 72 hour vehicle confiscation in most states these two are kind of pointless now and the Falcon Turbo even moreso. I can tow just as well and indeed much more weight with my 2.5 ltr Turbo Diesel. Not to mention go a damned sight further between fuel stops . Cap that off with better resale and they seem even more pointless.

            I might get aroused (slightly) if either of them wake up and get diesels in their cars. The majority of this country will be driving diesels within 5-7 years. Yes, the majority. We are just slow learners.

          • Robin Graves

            The Falcon turbo is definitely the pick of the local cars I reckon, followed by the Falcon V8, then the Holden V8. I havent had the opportunity to drive all 3 back to back but the reviews say the Falcon V8 is just as quick if not quicker than the Holden V8. The best seat-of-the-pants i feel is the Falcon Turbo.

            I agree with the diesels, I’m forced to drive one ATM because I travel 200km+ a day for work. The other option was LPG but I chose the diesel due to range and hill climbing torque.

          • Bent 8 Brigade

            The pick of the large cars is without question the HSV GTS.
            Runners up would be F6 or Clubsport (buyer chooses), followed in the distance, over the horizon and past the South Pole by the GT

      • Matt

        I’ll agree its good at what it does and sounds great, but if there is that much room to “up the ante” on the GM V8 then why have they had to go out to 6.2L when Ford does similar figures from a smaller engine (soon to be an even smaller engine)?

  • Old CarAdvice Reader

    The new V8 must come with a louder exhaust system because I can actually hear the V8 note of the bra’d up Falcon in the video. The current V8 models sound too tame for me because they’re too quiet, but this sounds promising that there might be an improvement in that. And I must say this brings back memories from 2007 when the FG was under development. Gee, how times have changed.

    • crouchy

      There are laws…

  • Luke Plaizier

    Wow. There’s speculation that an announcement is imminent regarding a Falcon based Lincoln in the US. This just adds to that fire doesn’t it. Someone at the Ford proving ground wanted us to see that I reckon. It’s likely to be made in the US though (perhaps in Ohio?) – which means, could there still be time for it to become the Ford offering for the US Police Interceptor?

    http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37272

    Luke

    • Andrew M

      Thats very interesting, and also very cheeky by who ever wrote that on the side then.

      Made in the US would also make it a viable option.
      Would be good to make them all down here, but the reality is we wouldnt like it if they stole our jobs.

  • jon

    The Productivity Commission findings that the current car industry protection costs consumers and taxpayers $2 billion a year, or $300,000 a year for every car industry job. It is an absolute disgrace that this car exists and we are paying dearly for it. It is time for the Rudd government to go, I can`t tolerate their stupidity any longer.

    • Benjie

      What complete and utter rubbish.

      Do you understand that part of the money given to Ford has helped it secure its position as global engineer on the T6 Ranger project?

      Look beyond this car and stop being so narrow minded.

    • Wheelnut

      Jon: 2,000,000,000 divided by 300,000 = 6,666 jobs and there are more people than that directly employed in the Australian Automotive industry – in both in the factory and office.. Holden alone employs over 6,000 people

    • Vine

      jon, what the heck get over yourself. You’ll always be paying tax whether this car exists or not. At least taxpayers are helping Australian jobs. What do you want, nothing but foreign on the streets and the Australian car industry completely killed off? That’s pretty ignorant of you to come up with a comment like that.

    • Tomas79

      Too Right Jon,
      And to add insult to injury, Holden used to rebadge the local commodore as the G8, ship them to U.S and sell them significantly cheaper there then here, even though we as taxpayers involuntarily paid for them!!
      And yet they still flunked there…..

    • fxh555

      Methinks it was well before the Rudd government that the auto industry received subsidies/support. I’m sure an Abbott government would act no differently on this issue if elected in.

    • jon

      Hey they aren`t my findings look it up. If it wasn`t for Krudd and his ship of fools this would end sooner. He is on record as saying that he didn`t want to run a country that doesn`t manufacture anything. Then again if it was up to the Victorian and South Australian Governments we wouldn`t have even got Tariffs to 5% and now thanks to Bracks we are throwing even more money at these American companies. I mean I have no trouble supporting Aussie manufacturing, but not the crap GM and Ford produce.

      • Safety First

        Okay Jon so tell me? Which Neo Utopian country that manufactures something (anything not just cars) does so with assistance from it’s government and money from it’s government??? I am so glad tools like you aren’t given the reigns.. heck I’d even go as far as to ask wether you actually cast a vote at elections???
        As for the Tarrifs, we are leading the way……… to becoming the laughing stock of the industrial world with the way we treat our own industries..

        • Bent 8 Brigade

          Oh dear…John and Thomas79, queens of cultural cringe, at it again

          • Safety First

            Ha Ha I didn’t even worry about what Tomas had written… I no longer bother wasting my time on his drible….

        • jon

          Now now, there is no need to start with the name calling. Look don`t going get all personal, no need to get yourself all flustered and in a tizzy. Now do yourself a favour and take a couple of deep breaths, gee no wonder people have heart attacks. LOL

        • jon

          I just think we should stick to exporting our resources, something that creates a surplus not put money into something that creates a deficit. Debt is for useful things, like Hospitals, cancer research and not an industry that would be cheaper to pension off the workers on a taxable income for life. Oh yeah roads too, so I can drive my Euro on something decent for a change.LOL.

          • Minnow

            Jon, we cant dig holes forever. Australia needs a manufacturing industry in order to support the services that big consulting companies need to survive. Look at countries like the Philippines who completely ignored manufacturing. Manufacturing adds value and is the driver behind research and development. Services provide minimal growth if anything to the economy. Learn some basic economics before throwing your pre-school ideas around.

          • Andrew M

            Ill second that.

            Some people just dont understand the scale of it

          • jon

            I have no problem with Manufacturing I understand its long term benefits but when it comes to Commodores and Falcons I don`t support blatant money wasting. Considering we basically only sell them in Australia to Australians bar a very small export program, I can`t see the long term positive effect. As I said it would be cheaper to pay the employees a taxable income for life than it would to keep persisting with wasting tax payers money.

    • Tomas79

      Comment moderated – Wheelnut posing as Tomas79. We will not tolerate this conduct and thus you have been banned from commenting Wheelnut.

      • Tomas79

        Another Tomas79 Wannabe!!

        Difference is, Toyota Australia doesn’t need the hybrid Camry to survive, it makes profit just fine without it!!

        Personally I don’t approve the grant either…

        Besides I bet you elected the muppet who decided to give them a grant, he is your labour party mate!!!!

    • Jon

      Comment moderated – Wheelnut posing as Jon. We will not tolerate this conduct and thus you have been banned from commenting Wheelnut.

      • Callous Aussie

        Seems you are just wanting to put your political opinion forward without any control over your mouth. Every government at federal level and both the Victorian and Sth Australian state governments have supported the industry for decades. This industry is a massive employer and is with that support given the opportunity to showcase Australia’s best engineers and designers.

        It is too important to lose. Given our position globally there exists an opportunity for Australia to be a centre for manufacturing large numbers of vehicles for the Asia / Pacific region. Holden and Ford have lifted their quality to a level where that is now a distinct possibility. I am just a little puzzled as to why Ford cancelled its plans to build the Focus here as it was part of that export plan.

        The Holden Cruze will now be stuck with Camry’s and Corolla’s on the boats.

        • Andrew M

          exporters in OZ are hurting right now due to the dollar.

          Thats part of the reason Ford pulled its export plans.

          • Tomas79

            But didn’t Ford pull the plants while the dollar was low??

          • jon

            As I have been saying its not economically viable to build cars in this country without Government assistance and even that wasn`t enough for Ford to turn profit on the Focus.

          • Andrew M

            Tomas,
            No the Focus was pulled once the dollar had climbed, and a while after toyota started complaining

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            Small cars are even less viable in OZ.

            I think Ford also kicked up a stnk because the already planned Focus was denied green funding, whilst any new comers Cruze and camry were granted.

            On introduction of “green funding”, and once Cruze took up the offer, Ford re-evaluated its plan to see if they could adjust things to qualify.
            Shortly after that they canned it.

            So I personally think there is a bit of spite crossed with the reality of small cars not being viable crossed with the rising aussie dollar crossed with the lowering of import tariffs that all played a hand

        • jon

          That is not me and considering I`m typing it should be control over my fingers, not my mouth.

          • Callous Aussie

            I wonder how long the dollar will stay high though Andrew. They should be looking longer term. Soaring fuel prices will destabilise our dollar again later this year and people will start running to smaller cars in larger numbers.

            Anyway, I ain’t ford and they have made their decision. I must say I was a little disappointed when it was announced.

          • Andrew M

            Yes Im sure the dollar wont stay this high forever, but Toyota was kicking and screaming before the dollar got this high.

            Makes me wonder how long small cars will stay viable in OZ when initial grants slip away…..

            Anyway,
            Ford is working on making the Falcon much more efficient.
            I think the ecoboost engine is expected to get consumption to around 8L/100K which is on par with much smaller cars, and better than a diesel would achieve.
            Im also keen to see how much of a good crack they have put into LPG this time around when the new E-Gas is released mid this year???

            For me, small car economy is a myth, but you are right that the buying public wont see it that way.
            Thats probably why I am for the thinking outside the box and providing a large car that makes small cars truly look silly.
            Ford has a bad fuel economy image when in fact what they have is quite impresive.
            Now they have their “Green Halo” car (fiesta), people might not be so ignorant especially if they produce these big expected economy gains

          • Tomas79

            Andrew M says:
            “Makes me wonder how long small cars will stay viable in OZ when initial grants slip away”

            But Andrew M,
            Isn’t the ford fiesta made in Germany, and doesn’t it still remain excellent bang for your buck?

          • Safety First

            Andrew M says:
            January 9, 2010 at 10:26 am
            Makes me wonder how long small cars will stay viable in OZ when initial grants slip away…..

            For me, small car economy is a myth, but you are right that the buying public wont see it that way.
            Thats probably why I am for the thinking outside the box and providing a large car that makes small cars truly look silly.
            Ford has a bad fuel economy image when in fact what they have is quite impresive.
            Now they have their “Green Halo” car (fiesta), people might not be so ignorant especially if they produce these big expected economy gains

            I question the same thing, if small cars were viable through Aus instead of Thailand, Korea, Japan or Taiwan then both Toyota and FOrd would be doing them. Both have ad to move their production around. However, only GM-H with Government support has decided to proceed. My feelings with that was that (unfortunately) GM-H had nothing else it could bring to the table to get a slice of the green car funding programme. Toyota went Hybrid Camry assembly, Ford has a development programme for the EBi4 RWD global programme (for those that haven’t realised it, this is actually an important part of Ford Global because it is the firs time an EcoBoost Motor is to be done RWD / Longitudenal layout as required for Falcon, Mustang and F series so a big thing for the engineering centre. Territory and Falcon designs on the budget they had have secured ourt peoples future).
            Back on topic though, Sinead recently refrained from admitting that Coyote “IS” the motor (safe bet though) however there are several motors to choose from. Now, despite the ney sayers rubbish, what the engine room boys did with the Boss motor for the budget they had I personally think was great. If they are allowed a little freedom with Coyote or whatever we get then we are in for a thrilling ride.

          • Andrew M

            But Tomas,
            According to you and other Ford haters the Fiesta isnt good bang for buck….

          • Andrew M

            Safety,
            Small cars have been made in OZ before.

            Only Large cars have been sustainable over the years.

            Proof is in the pudding I reckon

          • Callous Aussie

            I wouldn’t go so far as to say I am a Ford hater. I just resent them for not improving the Falcon much from XD to XF because fleets were snapping them up .Imagine where the’yd be today with development? Having said that the fiesta econetic is ridiculously overpriced.

            Unless Australia learns to embrace diesel large cars (and with current diesels there’s no excuse not to) the small class will continue to grow and dominate. There is a real risk that fuel will skyrocket in the next few years and we all know that despite ford’s economic drive for the falcon ,a small motor in a large car has to work harder under load.

            I think Ford have a giant pair of balls putting a 4 in a falcon. Time will tell if those balls fogged their brain.

          • Callous Aussie

            I would not be at all surprised to see both Commodore and Falcon get downsized in coming years through a joint handshake to keep them viable. They will either down size or go FWD to make efficiency ground. Before the fanboys suggest they will never agree on that sort of stuff I can tell you they already have.

            Go back to vn and ea and they were so identical it was incredible. As much as they are rivals they need eachother to stay afloat for either to be viable here in Australia. There is a high chance that if one goes they both will. This new V8 of Ford’s is good for that rivalry because despite sounding better than the gen4 it could never match it for performance without forced induction.

  • Devil666

    Is it just me or does that mule have a very large front and rear overhang? Seems like the front wheels are too far back…

    • DD

      Nope, that’s standard FG proportions.

      Interesting to look closely and see the Raccoon eye are staying.

      • Andrew M

        Yep raccoon eyes are there,
        but this is likely just a drive line mule.

        Styling changes are due mid this year, and this seems to have none.
        Just a drive line tester….wouldnt take styling as any indicators

  • Westy

    I am gonna throw a bone out there (I know the Euro lovers and in fact the import lovers won’t care). Could this in fact be a great engine to breathe some life back into V8 supercars? Being a 5 litre it fits perfectly into the category requirement. It is also currently technology which I think it should be as that is what we are driving. Anyway, food for thought!

    • Andrew M

      V8SC’s dont currently use production engines anyway

      • Andrew M

        This was in reply to another comment which for some reason was just deleted

        • Callous Aussie

          He just got banned Andrew.

      • jon

        They don`t use production anything do they? They as close to a production Falcon as Ferrari is.

        • Andrew M

          Not too much is production jon, but you are being a little over the top suggesting a Ferrari has just as much in common.

          Was that an attempt to stick the boot in?? Me thinks so….

          • jon

            Oops i just accidently posted this in the wrong spot.It was just abit of a stir Andrew, but as you said they really aren`t anything like the production car which I think is a shame. I actually enjoyed the V8 utes, except for some of the poor driving when I followed Aussie racing. So I think more production based cars would be a better thing.

          • Andrew M

            People want drama in their races.
            If every one was more courteous it would be boring.

            Also Production categories have come and gone.
            One racing category that has continued to grow and grow is the V8SC format.
            No denying the formula is a success whether or not you agree with it.

            Yep, production racing would be good, but reality is the formula in place ensure competitive racing, and above that it prevents huge cost issues that have been the down fall of major categories including F1.

            V8SC have their finger on the pulse to ensure cost containments to ensure future survival. Credit to them that they havent got caught up too much in their massive growth because that is commonly the undoing of rapidly growing companies in general

          • Robin Graves

            The only way to keep it competitive is to keep it firmly rooted in the last century, with pushrod NA engines. If they opened it up to production vehicles, Holden wouldnt have a hope as they only have pushrod boat anchors to use. At least Ford have some modern engines they could utilise. Imagine the rednecks booing if a Hyundai V8 won at Bathurst? Hahahaha. Dont see the Holden boat anchor in any top 10 engine lists (maybe Uncle Daddy Cletus’ list) but the Hyundai V8 was recently ranked in the top 10 engines list. That would be hilarious a Hyundai winning at Bathurst.

          • Rick Shaw

            all this talk about production racing not being viable
            what about v8 utes? they’re pretty much the same as the one on the road,
            why cant we have hsv vs fpv racing series?

          • jon

            My thoughts exactly,at least then you could brag about your brand of car being better than the other. Otherwise this racing is kind of irrelevant really. You might as well just have a common chassis motor etc and let any manufacturer put their body on it. I mean nothing on the race car is like the road car, other than the way it looks. So what would it matter if a manufacturer didn`t make a RWD car?

          • Andrew M

            Nascar and F1 are even further miles apart from being road cars, yet they too are considered very highly in the motorsport world.

            Just face it, as proven, true production racing doesnt get as many bums on seats.

            People like the even and competitive nature of the racing, hence why V8SC is a success

      • Westy

        Andrew,

        My point was only that the tech of the current V8SC is old. Why not when given the opportunity update the tech to current spec. I am well aware they don’t use production engines, as are most people that follow V8SC, and I am not suggesting they use the production engine just how about developing the new engine from this point. Otherwise it seems odd that 50 years into the future they will still be using pushrod engines which probably won’t exist anywhere. At some point they will need to realign to what the general public see as general spec. In my opinion anyway. And of course being the right displacement and more fuel efficient has to be an advantage as well.

    • Falcodore

      Ford’s OHC V8 vs Holden’s pushrod V8. That would be interesting to see the strenghts and weaknesses of the different congfigurations, for example, would one perform better on a fast, flowing track and the other perform better on a tight, slow track?

      Food for thought indeed Westy.

      Not sure about V8 Supercars needing life breathed back into it though, it wont be long before it overtakes the NRL to be the 2nd biggest sport in the country.

      • Matt

        Overtaking NRL to be the 2nd biggest sport? Not if the general population is anything like most people I know where interest is waning (I live in Newcastle which has some of the biggest rednecks around)

        • Falcodore

          Well, anyone who follows NRL knows the love of league and the Knights is legendary in Newcaslte so the V8s might not be so popular in that area. But current stats show by 2012 or 2013 (from memory) V8s will be as big or bigger than NRL and i guess i’m proof of that as someone who watched the footy every w’end to now only watching the State of Origin and the occassional regular game. And now i refuse to miss a round of the V8s.

          Also, not everyone who follows V8s is a “redneck”. Many women, professionals and wealthy, well to do people are converts to the sport

          • Matt

            I wasn’t referring to all V8 followers as rednecks, just many of the populations of Newcastle lol :P Bogans might have been a better word.

            Those stats are news to me *shrug*. I guess motorsport interest is up allround with Webber & Stoner doing well on the international stage too :)

    • Phill

      Westy – I think V8SC have to be a pushrod engine.I also think there looking at a new V8 category,one to include ohc v8 engines.

      • Robin Graves

        Oh No! Touring cars with engines the same as the road cars? All the redneck retards will boo and hiss, because the last time this happened Holden and Ford were absolutely annihilated by the Skyline GT-R, which was subsequently banned to stop them from crying. The V8 touring cars is a pathetic formula, no correlation to what the rednecks buy at all but they dont care, as long as it has there beloved badge on the front. Just like the idiots who buy Craptivas and the other Daewoos because of its badge.

        • Phill

          Robin – Actually the v8 supercars have more in common with there road going counterparts than Ferrari road going cars has in commomn with F1.

          • Robin Graves

            F1 is far detached from a road car – open wheels, central driving position. Its meant to showcase cutting edge tech. Touring cars are meant to show what manufacturers are doing with production cars – hence the bodyshell, lights etc. Two toally different issues. If Touring cars are not trying to be like the road cars why do they use the bodyshell but throw the driveline in the bin? F1 is a totally bespoke vehicle. If touring cars where open to road going cars Holden wouldnt have a competitive car and would upset all the rednecks ie Bathurst 1992

          • Phill

            I disagree,V8 SC is the middle ground,something between Prodution car racing and F1 there not trying to be road cars.What your saying is somthing like,Superbikes are pathetic because there just trying to be Moto GP bikes,ther two totally different formulas.

          • Phill

            Haave you ever seen Japanese GT 500 Touring car race I can tell you now that those cars are much more modifed than a V8 supercar yet there still classed as a touring car,so are these just pathetic aswell.

          • Robin Graves

            But do superbikes say “Honda cant compete any more because they are too fast and Kawasaki cant be bothered to improve their engine tech – and all the yobbo supporters follow Kawasaki so we have to ban Honda” or the same apply to Japanese GT500? Also they both use the same engine casting and head casting as the road going version – ATCC do not.

          • Phill

            Oh yea F1 must be pathetic because they banned turbos and now they run v8′s are they trying to be V8 supercars aswell.LOL

          • Robin Graves

            F1 banned turbos because of the insane HP they were making for such little weight. ATCC banned turbos because some yobbos didnt like it and booed. Dont see many road going V8′s revving to 20kRPM

            Why wont ATCC allow any other manufacturers to enter a vehicle ie Toyota? Even if it fits the current rules? Because precious little Holden would get obliterated and have a hissy fit.

          • Phill

            JTC 500 can change engine to a completely different configuration,pull out a V8 and drop in a turbo 4 or vice versa and check the width of the tyres,massive.What about the Tyrrell p34 with the 6 wheel F1 car that got banned and the Chaparral 2J Can–Am fan car in 1970 that got banned like the Brabham BT46B that got banned in F1.Its called Evolution of the series.

        • Phill

          Remember the TRULY pathetic 2.0litre fwd bathusrt race that went down like a lead ballon,we want V8 touring cars thats the culture of the car in oz.All the FWD lovers would be sitting in cafes or getting thet nails done,not out at the track and watching.

          • Robin Graves

            Just like Jim Richards winning in the GTR went down like a lead balloon? ‘culture’ and ‘oz V8 touring cars’ are mutually exclusive. While all the FWD lovers are at the hairdressers, all the Pushrod loving bogans would be at the doctors getting their knuckles reskinned due to them dragging on the ground all the time. The old days of the Aussie touring cars were the best, XE Falcon, Commodore, Bluebird, Sierra, Camaro, Jag, all different types of cars, all fairly competitive, and all fairly similar to what you could buy in the showroom. Problem is when the little guys grew up and challenged the big boys, the big boys were sore losers.

          • Phill

            Why wouldn’t people be upset at change especially since all those people are the same one’s that just went though that golden era your talking about,its got nothing to do with Jim Richards,4wd was seen as cheating thats it.Do you understand the word “Culture”.One more thing what do you reckon would happen if Mazda built a 2.0 rotory engined hatchback and put it in British 2.0 touring car Championship?It would wipe the floor with its opponents and then get banned.

          • Robin Graves

            Whatever floats your boat. I liked the old ATCC format much more than pure Holden and Ford chest thumping match, and lots of other people think the same. Unfortunately the squeaky wheel gets all the oil – and the rednecks make all the noise.

          • Phill

            I dont disagree about that era was better.Hopefully a new v8 formula,not a pushrod v8 formula could entice other manufactures in.

          • Robin Graves

            That would make me want to follow it. Problem is I’m in WA and the retarded government are not coughing up to upgrade Barbagello, so unless it becomes a street race I think we are going to lose it.

    • Safety First

      Doesn’t fit opperation blue print so unfortunately no…V8SC needs to go back to road cars rather than the nascar style silouhettes they run now….

  • jon

    It was just abit of a stir Andrew, but as you said they really aren`t anything like the production car which I think is a shame. I actually enjoyed the V8 utes, except for some of the poor driving when I followed Aussie racing. So I think more production based cars would be a better thing.

  • Baddass

    I think it is vital for FPV to further differentiate their cars from the Falcon. Raccoon masks don’t do enough. Not employing the XR-range more aggressive headlights was a mistake. Now some models (especially the F6-E and GT-E) look just like Falcon XTs. Not something I’d wan’t if I was paying 60 grand for one.

  • Damian

    There is no conclusive evidence that the Falcons featured in the pictures and the video have the new Coyote V8 in them.

  • Luke Plaizier

    Good grief.

    Holden vs Ford. Euro vs Aussie. Rednecks vs Latte Sippers. It’s fun to watch, but somewhat tiring.

    I agree that there doesn’t appear to be anything in the images to suggest that it’s a Coyote being tested. I guess we’re just taking the word of those who took the images.

    I don’t understand this elitist attitude of many Euro-buying Australians that car manufacturing should be stopped in Australia. I guess when you have a well paying safe job it doesn’t matter if anyone else has one does it. If these people have no care for their fellow Australians, and insist on buying European product, why aren’t they just cutting out the middle man and moving to Europe to live? So these people are both defamatory AND stupid? Curious hypocracy there.

    And the ‘V8Supercars have no common parts with road cars’ debate always comes up in these kinds of discussions predictably. WTF? I do wonder why they spend half a million dollars building custom race cars that have to conform to parity rules and complain about how much it costs, when they could just as easily pick up a $50k car off a prodution line and do the same thing. The V8 Utes do it to good effect. It’s entertainment now, not a sport, so why all this extra cost?

    I think most people have just completely missed the significance of the ‘Lincoln’ written on the rear guard. The rumour mill is moving again on the revival of Fords GRWD, putting Australia firmly in the mix.

    Lukeyson

    • G

      A lot of people go for the Euro imports because the build quality and engineering is generally better in comparison. Government incentives for Aussie manufacturers and import taxes just reinforce the mediocrity. If Aussie built cars had to compete with Euro imports at the same price no one would buy them. Look at the VW golf, the price premium is fairly small and they’re selling like hotcakes. Sure, fuel consumption and build quality is improving but the technology lags by about 5 years IMO. That being said there are exceptions to the rule, the new Mercedes C class has cheap interior plastics reminiscent of a Daewoo.

  • RoFlmaTiC

    LOL

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  • Control Blade

    Ford Coyote 5 litre V8 307kw GM 6.2 0r whatever V8 307kw says it all really……smae power and torque (close enough) 1.2 litres smaller capacity……shows how good the old pushrod V8 is…….NOT. GM is a joke.

  • Rick Shaw

    all this talk about production racing not being viable
    what about v8 utes? they’re pretty much the same as the one on the road,
    why cant we have hsv vs fpv racing series?

  • Allan D

    What wheels are one the rear? I love them. They should look like that from the factory, rather than the current FPV wheels

  • Ben

    hope it sounds like that standard, would love to hear it under full load, sounded awesome in that vid there, personally thought it sounded better then the boss, n the boss is a great sounding engine, just hope this one goes. it looks promising from what ive read on it, will rev hard. Good to hear fpv ar gonna finally put wider rear tires on it to, bout bloody time