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The next Volvo you buy may just come with a Made in China stamp if reports from Ford prove correct.

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It seems that the US car giant and China run Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Limited have settled all major commercial terms related to the sale of Volvo Car Corporation and the deal should be finalised, including total transfer of Volvo’s valuable intellectual property by the second quarter 2010.

The final sales price is said to be around USD$2 billion, which is substantially less than the USD$6.45 billion Ford payed for the Swedish car company back in 1999.

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Ford said that although it will continue to cooperate with Volvo Cars after the sale has gone through, it does not intend to retain any shareholding in the company.

Clearly, this a big deal for Geely, as they are looking for assistance from the Chinese government in addition to three major Chinese banks who have agreed to loans for the Volvo sale.

Despite what some of you may be thinking, the impending sale will most likely be a good thing for Volvo. The brand will remain alive and allowed to grow through stronger investment in new models, while Geely will undoubtedly take full advantage of Volvo’s worldwide dealer network, which may even be strengthened in due course.

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Ford is keen to remain focused on its domestic brands with US sales remaining relatively flat compared with that of 2008.

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CarAdvice has just returned from the US and can report many businesses are up to 50 percent down on the previous year’s sales, which has been a strong incentive for Ford to exit from its non-core automotive brands.

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  • Jazrod

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  • D

    Volvo is as good as gone if they are made in China.

  • The Real Car Fanatic

    They’ll survive, trust me on this!

  • DGS

    SAAB tooling is being sent to China, Now Volvo too? So much for the Swedish car industry. This is not the end of this trend, only the begining.

  • ohreally

    The beginning of the end of an international car industry.

    Soon everything you need to exist will have been made in china.

    Should we expect to see Volvo S80 for 45000?
    This is the beginning of another race to the bottom, except this time its not clothes, toys or trinkets, its cars.

  • Anthony

    Under Tata’s reign Land Rover and Jaguar are produced seriously good cars, so I suspect Volvo will prosper in the same way.

    • The Real Car Fanatic

      Exactly

      • jetlag

        though u’d have to say the current designs are carried over from previous ventures under old ownership…lets not forget TATA lost a huge sum on Jag and Aston – fine cars as they are, how long will the losses cause TATA to think of a new strategy? There are only so many ways about it, cut costs or cut costs?

    • Andrew M

      The efforts of Tata are yet to be seen.
      The new direction (if chosen) will take 5 years to filter through to our roads

      • smokin’r32

        Exactly, they are just selling the fruit of fords efforts at the moment.

        • peter

          true to a point. Yes the XK was pre Tata. The XF was designed pre Tata, I think it may have commenced selling post (approx Feb 08 overseas), though I cant remember exactly. They are talking about an XE, and an XF coupe. Neither were planned as far as I know until post Tata, because they are based upon the relatively significant critical/public success of the XF. Ultimately though, my take on it is that the planning etc is still largely UK based, but the final say will rest with the shareholder. With a huge loyalty in the UK, I suspect Tata would be loath to force too many issues, for fear that UK sales will drop, and it might also impact on US sales which are really a major driver for Jag at the moment. This is similar to volvo, which is actually a well regarded marque in the US, quite popular and to some extent trendy. I’d guess (hope) that Geely wont shift production to China because it would most likely impact on US sales, especially where there cars are so much cheaper there, the difference between a volvo and similar BMW is only a couple of grand (eg s60R and BMW M3 were more than $40K apart here, less than $10K apart in US) so you really wouldnt want to be damaging the brand by raising a question over manufacture.

  • peter

    I hope it’s isnt a bad thing. I’ve had several volvos, and they really do get into your blood. A cashed up buyer will be able to do good things with the brand. There is virtually no advertising in Oz, most people still think “boxy but good (heh heh heh)” and dont know wtf the s60R or the s40 was, and both are great cars, and pretty good looking too. At the moment it is all SUV for them, and the c30, so here’s hoping the buyer will do good things with the new s60. Anyway, Jag is owned by Indians, and they are going far better even in crap times. And by the way, I think the “made in China” is a pun. My understanding was that there is some focus on keeping the manufacture in Sweden (and probably Belgium for some models).

  • Alex

    Anthony, you are right but you have to remember one important difference: Tata didn’t move production. Geely may well move from Sweden to China. Jaguar and Land Rover stayed in Britain.

    • Myke

      If Volvos are made in China, it probably will be in addition to Sweden. I doubt they will move the whole production line from Sweden to China.

    • mh2408

      look what happened to Rover…

      • jetlag

        Rover went bust and was bought only in chunks…Volvo’s case is different

  • http://volvoadventures.com volvoadventures

    There are already “european” cars built in China, even a long version Volvo S80. Why would they want to move production to China at a high cost, while they have excellent European factories? More likely new Volvo models will be built in China for the local market, they want to increase overal production. It could be possible that (more) Chinese (electronic and mechanical) components will find their way in European built Volvos in the future.

    • jetlag

      exactly

  • http://volvoadventures.com volvoadventures
  • realcars

    Volvo will no longer be a prestige brand then?

    Don’t we get enough Chinese crap?

    We sell them good resources and they ship absolute crap back!!!

    • Damian

      “Volvo will no longer be a prestige brand then?”

      Your line of reasoning is flawed.

      Volvo was never a prestige brand to begin with, so you’re already behind the eight ball.

      Furthermore, REAL prestige vehicle manufacturers such as BMW, Audi and Mercedes Benz, are manufacturing cars in China already. Using your line of reasoning, the aforementioned German manufacturers are not “prestige brands”. If this is the case, please advise us as to what you perceive to be a “prestige brand”.

      • Shak

        A brand that charges you 30 grand extra because they make their cars in a country outside of Asia. This perception of cheap Chinese quality is false. The computer that Realcars wrote their post on was probably manufactured in a Chinese factory.

        • toxic_horse

          Exactly, people in australia think that anything with a euro badge is better. Go to europe and have a look around.

    • jetlag

      you get crap back because you or the middleman whos importing is only willing to pay for crap. stop shopping at JB for $500 42″ TVs and then complain as it falls apart in front of you. you get what you pay for. Im sure China can make quality goods, and they probably already do.

  • ThePatriot

    Moderated – Contravened comment code of conduct

  • Damian

    Some people are just bitter about China and India’s rise to power. I guess the concept of Western supremacy is still an entrenched “value” within the majority of our nation’s Anglo-Saxon population.

    Karma can be a bit of a bastard at times, and the British know this all too well. They’ve managed to lose Jaguar and Land Rover to the Indians, and MG Rover to the Chinese. One wonders what they will have to sell next.

    As for Volvo, people should be happy that the Chinese are liberating it from Ford. A few more years of mismanagement by a “superior” Western manufacturer and Volvo will most probably end up like Saab.

  • Chucky

    Even if some of the Volvo models sold here start to be manufactured in China, you will not see a price reduction. This is because we are already being majorly ripped off with car prices in the first place, so other manufacturers just price their models in line with their competitors.

  • Anthony

    Well put Peter.

  • Elitist

    This time round I am blaming the Americans for being the money whores they are, they breed and deal with anything and create rubbish… They have no respect and sold out the Sweeds.

  • john

    Maybe this has something to with the the absolute trillions of dollars that china has been lending the usa. They had a doco on sbs and the yanks have been using money from china to keep afloat, and there is no way that they can afford to pay it back.

  • TonyB

    Look, as a possible near-future buyer of a Volvo, I’m not altogether pleased with the pending sale of Volvo to a Chinese company. But what probably disappoints me as much as this is poorly researched stories on the issue – such as this one. Through-out all of the negotiations, Geely have made it clear that at least for the immediate future, the two main Volvo manufacturing plants in Europe would remain in operation supplying their existing markets (which includes Australia). We will not be getting Chinese made Volvo in the near future. Yes, Geely have also said they intend building a Volvo plant in China. But that would only be for local demand. Keep in mind that Volvos are already built in China. S40s and S80Ls are already made in a Ford-owned plant. At the very least, any new Chinese plant would simply take over production of these models. Will we ever get Chinese-made Volvos here in Oz? In the short-to-medium term no. But I would say in 2-3 years possibly yes as falling demand in Europe and especially the US (as a result of the Chinese ownership of Volvo) will make the existing Volvo plants unviable and they will eventually be shut. For me, the Q5 is looking more attractive – even with its current 9-10 month wait.

    • DGS

      The chinese can make something very good of this situation if they resist turning Volvo into a “made in China” product.

      If they keep Volvo going much as it is in Europe, but get Volvo to design and engeneer all of there own brand cars (Gleely?) built in China and sold in China and internationally at the entery level of the market, they will have a safe, well engineered and relitivly well built car at a very attractive price. Think Proton and its design by Lotus, but the chinese will be getting a mass producing manufacturer who have good quaity control instead of a specialty sports car company building a relitivly small quantity of cars with a traditional british quality finish.

  • jon

    This is just the first steps in Fords streamlining, the Falcon will be next with the Taurus its replacement. The small market for the Falcon won`t sustain its future.

    • Andrew M

      Incorrect
      Volvo doesnt wear a Ford badge

      This is a step for Ford to concentrate on their core brand …..”Ford”.

      This also isnt the first step, they made other similar moves years ago

      • jon

        It might not wear a Ford badge but it was owned by them and badly let down by them and they have now sold it for a loss.

        • Andrew M

          Still waiting to hear how that translates to a Taurus replacing the Falcon.

          Taurus looks great anyway. In a weird way its a win win situation as long as they keep the option of a RWD platform.
          And if its a new RWD platform it will be the aussie platform anyhow.

          Fords answer to sustaining Falcon here is a global RWD platform

          • Bent 8 Brigade

            Would a Falcon badge on a Taurus be a Falcon?
            Just wondering

          • jon

            In my opinion I can`t see how they can justify building the Falcon considering the low volume numbers they sell. With Tariffs reducing to 5% I personally think that the market will be even more competitive and difficult for the manufacturing of the Falcon to survive. I honestly believe its days are numbered and for the workers that is unfortunate. Now when they import the Taurus I think this will be a good thing, especially with the availability of AWD. Now if they can lift the build quality to that of their European divisions and more styling inputs from Australia, well they will be on a winner.

          • Andrew M

            Dunno Bent man,
            Many seem to think that a Daewoo with a Holden badge is a Holden….

            What Im saying is the Taurus styling isnt anything to be ashamed of, only if it stays on FWD platform then it would be.
            They still need a RWD platform, so I doubt it will happen.

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            production here can be sustained.

            The main thing they need to do is cut/share their development costs.

            The Falcon decision isnt going to be seen till around 2013.
            What they need to do is share development with somewhere.
            Ideally one of the yank platforms could be shelved. They dont need to export the Falcon to make more money, perhaps making the Falcon in the US is also a realistic option.

            The current Falcon could take AWD, but why would you???

          • jon

            Why wouldn`t you want AWD is more the question. It is far superior to FWD or RWD in most conditions, well to be honest any surface other than near perfect it out performs the others. But hey I`m only talking out of experience as I do own an AWD car and let me say that a Falcon with AWD would be a good thing on our pathetic roads.

          • Tomas79

            Jon you are denting bogan pride asking questions like that!!
            The Falcadore fan boys really love to harp on about the uniqueness of Australian RWD car, and Aussie RWD expertise, yet they seem to forget RWD is just a simplified sub component of AWD. And that RWDs existed before FWDs, and most manufacturers, including the 3rd world ones have RWD on their wans and utes…. Hardly leading edge technology..

          • Tomas79

            Also since during the recent large car comparo on this very site, the FWD Honda Accord, and FWD Nissan Maxima, not to mention the AWD Skoda Superb scored significantly better for handling then RWD FG E Turbo…
            This suggest the RWD Falcon has room for improvement handling wise, and maybe even the FWD taurus might handle better!! Not to mention the AWD!!

          • Wheelnut

            Once again Tomas referring to an article and picking parts out ofof it which help support your argument even though you disagreed with the overall outcome/result.

            Even though they said that “handling is the Falcons downfall” they didn’t specifically state that the Maxima Accord or Skoda are/were better did they?

            I mean they didn’t give a rating out of 10 for each of the cars handling did they?

            For all you know the Commodores handling may be better than all of them – but they didn’t say that either.. did they?

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            Well I should have said why would “Ford”, not so much “You”.

            For starters Ford is trying to limit weight.
            AWD adds weight, and worsens fuel economy.
            Also there is a higher cost element.

            AWD in base models doesnt make sense to me and Im surprised Subaru persists with it.

            Sure AWD offers more grip, but we are talking about road going vehicles

          • Andrew M

            Tomas,
            The article you refer to used a vehicle tuned for the comfort side of driving.
            Even your quoted article recognised this.

            Wheelie is right in you only pick and choose what you want to put forward.
            Nowhere does it rate handling.
            Accord and Maxima are usually given good marks as far as FWD goes, but they still dont out steer a RWD

          • jon

            Andrew if you were seriously worried about fuel consumption you wouldn`t buy a Falcon or a Commodore and I wasn`t suggesting they have AWD across the range, that would be stupid. FWD for the base model AWD for the sports and luxury. I mean what NODDY wouldn`t recognize the advantages of AWD, especially in the FPV range.

          • Tomas79

            Andrew M, Wheelnut, you should really check your facts before you guys start typing away!! Other wise you guys end up looking really stupid, such as in this particular case!!!

            Please look at this table from the 2009 Large Car Comparisons,

            http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/specs_rating.JPG

            Look at the left column, and then go down to Ride & Handling and then handling…
            The handling scores were ;

            Ford G6E Turbo 3
            Holden Calais V 3.5
            Honda Accord 4.25
            Nissan Maxima 3.75
            Skoda Superb 4.5
            Toyota Aurion 3

            Wheelnut says:
            “Once again Tomas referring to an article and picking parts out ofof it which help support your argument even though you disagreed with the overall outcome/result.”

            Don’t be an idiot, a told you a few times before that i don’t disagree with the results… It’s just I put more importance on certain things, then others!!

            Wheelnut says:
            “Even though they said that “handling is the Falcons downfall” they didn’t specifically state that the Maxima Accord or Skoda are/were better did they?”

            They gave the figures(refer to the link above) which have shown the maxima, accord or superb to be better!!! Wheelnut, i know you never check your facts, before your start typing! But please do, especially when arguing with me!!!

            Wheelnut says:”I mean they didn’t give a rating out of 10 for each of the cars handling did they?”

            No, they were given a rating out of 5!!

            Wheelnut says:”For all you know the Commodores handling may be better than all of them – but they didn’t say that either.. did they?”

            Yeah, they did, Maxima, Accord, Superb still received better score for handling then the Holden!!

            Andrew M says:
            “Wheelie is right in you only pick and choose what you want to put forward.
            Nowhere does it rate handling.”

            Nah, he is wrong as ussual, and so are you!! look for the link above!!

          • Wheelnut

            Okay [unlike you] I am willing to admit that I am wrong – on this occassion..

            However; the FACT remains that you picked out just one part of an article to support your arguement yet you disagreed with the overall outcome result.

            It’s like saying that a Toyota F1 car set the fastest lap of a race – even though they lost.

          • Wheelnut

            Wheelnut says:“Once again Tomas referring to an article and picking parts out ofof it which help support your argument even though you disagreed with the overall outcome/result.”

            Tomas says: Don’t be an idiot, a told you a few times before that i don’t disagree with the results… It’s just I put more importance on certain things, then others!!
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            From the 2009 Large Car Comparison

            Tomas79 says: October 13, 2009 at 2:02 pm

            Where’s your credibility CarAdvice, another biased win for Ford?!
            Get with the times CarAdvice, the taxi shouldn’t be anywhere near this comparison!!!!

            You were saying…..

          • Andrew M

            Now have a look at your steering section,
            As I said, the FWD’rs still dont out steer the RWD

            The G6E was marked down in the “handling” because its the model tuned for comfort. Body roll in favour of comfort marked it down, as I said earlier.
            The Accord for eg was notably tuned harder.

            Yes, well done on that chart, I didnt realise it was there either.

          • Wheelnut

            Jon – Have you driven an HSV Coupe-4? – I have and the added weight takes away from the sports performance as opposed to that of a regular Monaro. same with a AWD VR-X <agna as opposed to that of a normal VR-X.

            Not only that but owning an AWD can mean increased cost in Tyres – they tend to wear differently to those on an FWD or RWD car and its advised that they all be replaced at the same time..

          • Andrew M

            Wheelie,
            I agree with what you are saying, but on replacing the tyres at the same time bit, anyone who looks after tyres should replace tham at the same time anyway regardless of what wheels drive.

            for eg. FWD’s typiclly murder front tyres, but to compensate you should really be on the ball and rotate them so they all become due at the same time

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut says:”

            Tomas79 says: October 13, 2009 at 2:02 pm

            Where’s your credibility CarAdvice, another biased win for Ford?!
            Get with the times CarAdvice, the taxi shouldn’t be anywhere near this comparison!!!!

            You were saying…..”

            Wheelnut, you are really getting desperate now aren’t you?? Funny you haven’t posted rest of the comment!!

            Where’s your credibility CarAdvice, another biased win for Ford?!
            Get with the times CarAdvice, the taxi shouldn’t be anywhere near this comparison!!!! :-)

            Excellent comparison Paul, you have reaffirmed everything I have thought about those cars (Well maybe that falcon’s poor handling was a bit of a suprise)…

            If I were in the market for a saloon type car, I’d get the Skoda superb, because I really value it’s mentioned good points. Other wise I’d get the Ford Falcon G6E Turbo for it’s cheap bang for buck… (or the S3 or C-Class but thats a different segment altogether)”

            Obviously as i have told you many times before, i was kidding and paraphrasing the exact term, the author articles used!! So in anotherwords i was only using the authors words!!
            Are you really that dum, or just too desperate to constantly have to refer to the comment?? Also funny you haven’t picked up on “Excellent comparison Paul”… And then you talk about selective quoting!!

          • jon

            Wheelnut I can`t help it if Holden aren`t capable of producing a decent AWD system and mitsubishi failed with the Magna, but they seemed to have managed to make one with the Evo. Actually Subaru manage it with the Rex, Audi manage it with their cars, VW and Volvo do too and even Ford have managed to produce one too. I can`t understand why all the Ford nutters on here aren`t praying for the death of the Falcon, I mean imagine the F6 with AWD. lets face it Holden and Ford are producing cars with good power but fail to be able to get it to the ground. You say they will be slower but no they won`t be.Imagine pulling up to the lights against an HSV with your AWD Taurus it will consistently kick its butt time and time again. Now imagine the roads wet, it will out corner it and out brake it. I know I own one and I have done things in my car especially in the wet that I couldn`t have ever dreamed of in my Xr6 Turbo. And your theory on tyres is so wrong its ridiculous to even comment further on it.

          • Wheelnut

            The Gumpert Apollo is a 1200Kg RWD sports car which managed a lap time around the ring of 7.11

            The Nissan GT-R is a 1700Kg AWD sports car which managed a lap time around the ring of 7.28.

            So how exactly does AWD help improve the performance of a car? Given that the ring has a series of tight corners etc.

            Imagine how much faster the GT-R could go if it didn’t have AWD

          • jon

            Wheelnut, how many roads in Australia have the surface of Nurburgring? Its a race track for gods sake. We are talking about every day roads with real life conditions, not some perfect surface with perfect conditions in cars punted around the track by racing drivers.

          • Andrew M

            jon,
            The Falcon doesnt have to go onto the Taurus platform to get AWD.

            The current platform can take AWD.

            Wheelie,
            To be hinest thats probably a flawed (or is it floored) comparison/example.
            There are too many other variables to conclude that the slower time is attributed solely to AWD.
            I doubt AWD adds a whopping 500kgs either.

            There has got to be a better example to prove your point……surely

  • Elfin

    By 2015 China are planing to make around 20 million cars a year

    They have now past USA as #1 volume buyers worldwide, looking at doubling that plus more what USA buys……

    I like BYD’s

  • Karen

    I would hate to own a car soo expensive built in CHINA. Everyone know’s that they work for next to nothing so why should you have to pay 70+K for a VOLVO!

    volvo are finished. Even if it take’s a few years to filter off to Australia. By Golly when you look at RESALE VALUE they will guaranteed to be affected. Better to settle for a Great Wall X240 for $23,990 DRIVE AWAY WITH STANDARD LEATHER TRIM, SENSORS!!!!I know where id put my money now=

  • Jon

    I think Ford is trying to sell Volvo…… to survive Ford… like General Motor in the state.

  • Callous Aussie

    Well they were in the hands of one of the most imcompetent manufacturers in history. Ford needed to go belly up. They deserved to for continuing to produce over-sized crap vehicles when the world was telling them to downsize. The same goes for GM and Chrysler.

    The end result is China will own Saab and Volvo. It’s a disgusting end to a pathetic arrogant American giant’s mismanagement and a sad time for the Swedes. Shame on you Ford. You don’t deserve to build cars. If it wasn’t for the massive unemployment their closure would have created, the big three in America would have been dumped by their government and rightfully so.

    It will be interesting to see just how much support they get from the American public in the wake of this debacle. Has the rot finally set in for good in the states? When I look at the crap styling of the latest SUV offerings out of there it is obvious they still aren’t learning.

    • Tomas79

      I doubt Holden will be this lucky in few years time. Unlike SAAB or Volvo they never created cars on when they were on their own! And once the time comes to Liquidate holden, I doubt anyone will be interested. Holden will perish, even more so then SAAB automobiles…

      • Wheelnut

        Tomas you [and your handful of friends on this site] have been going on about how you believe that Holden will be gone within 3 months for almost 2 years…

        Yet Holden Australia plays a more integral part of GMs international operations than Toyo-Oz does in relation to Toyo-kyo

        If Toyo-Oz was so Important to Toyo-kyo then Toyo-kyo would have let Toyo-Oz design and build a new car from scratch which they could then use in their line up.. like a $30-40K RWD Sedan possibly with a a V8 for example; instead of making them build an identical car to that which they already build overseas.

        Which is why if the Tariffs are reduced to 0% or Toyo-kyo suffers more substantial Losses – its more likely that Toyo-kyo will Close Toyo-Oz and move production to the other factories where the Cam-rion is being made.

        Because the only reason Toyo-Oz exports more than Holden or Ford is in order to help the other factories where the Cam-rion is being built meet demand.

        • Tomas79

          Wheelnut, are you slow or something??
          No1) Why do you bring in your beloved (unhealthy obsessive love) Toyota into an unrelated article?

          No2) Why do you insist for me to repeat myself? If you can’t comprehend something, just ask, and I’ll dump it down for you!!

          Toyota and GM Holden are business (I know a bit too hard to believe with holden’s profitless track record)… Profitability, not variety is their aim!! Toyota Australia is profitable, and doesn’t really require any unique models to survive. GM Holden’s unique (debatable) platform, isn’t profitable, hence matter of time before it’s canned!!

          No3) Shave that overgrown mullet of your’s, so that you can get the fact that I’m not planning on purchasing a Aurion/Camry, hence don’t care whether Toyota Australia stays or goes, into your thick head!!

        • Wheelnut

          Tomas your comments about GM-Holden on this topic are also unrelated.
          Aren’t they?

          • Will

            Interesting. Have been wonder where GM will source the Commodore when Oz operations shut down, now we know…

          • Tomas79

            No, they are related…
            SAAB is owned by GM, and I see similarities in the near future, as per my original comment!!

          • Tomas79

            ‘n other words, unfortunately orphan SAAB adoption time has expired, and is soon to be put to down!! Unprofitable Holden is soon to follow, with even less badge cred!! And with Holden, even less people will shed a tear!!

          • Wheelnut

            But this Article is about VOLVO not SAAB..

            Oh I get it.. Volvo and SAAB are related because they are made in the same country..[WTF?] – So I guess then that the same applies to Toyo-Oz and Holden.. does it not?
            That is; they too are related!

            However; that’s your opinion and [I guess] that your entitled to it..but its still off topic and unrelated!

            BTW – I’d prefer a car made in china than a car from India which is where Toyota are heading.

          • Tomas79

            I bet last year there was a Swedish village idiot Rullanöt (Swedish for Wheelnut), posting on SAAB fanboy forums how GM will never get rid off SAAB, as they are too unique!!

            My mistake, the article might be about VOLVO, which too is in a similar situation, but i was replying to a comment on SAAB AND Volvos!

          • Wheelnut

            Maybe… Just in the same way there was a ORANISTA [Czech for Tomas] posting on SKODA fanboy forums how VW will never get rid off SKODA, as they are unique!

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut that is just stupid?!!
            What is ORANISTA?? I understand Czech perfectly, but that I don’t understand??!!
            By the way Tomáš is Czech for Tomas, not some czech word made up by some aussie bogan…

            As for “VW will never get rid off SKODA, as they are unique”!!

            I would never said that, nor would i be upset if VW got rid off SKODA!!
            I hope they do!!
            Also don’t forget, SKODA Auto is very profitable, unlike Holden!!

            I guess another classic 100% technically incorrect post by wheelnut.

          • Tomas79

            Wheelnut Says:” BTW – I’d prefer a car made in china than a car from India which is where Toyota are heading.”

            Good on ya!! Maybe the indian built cars are a little out of your price range?!! :-)

            Personally, I’d prefer car built in Europe or Japan..
            Then to have to resort to scraping the indian-china made barrel!

            Also, I would judge the build quality on individual model’s merits.
            Not prejudge the car’s build quality based on country of origin!
            Just because the Chinese made V8 Supercar t-shirt you bought in Kmart lasted you longer, then the Indian made V8 Supercars jacket, doesn’t mean it will be the same with the cars!!

    • Robin Graves

      Ford were not bailed out! It was only GM and Chrysler. You really do live inside your own little bubble dont you.

      • Jon

        Correct, I think Ford is trying to save more money!

  • Robin Graves

    Maybe the chinese car industry will rise quicker than I first thought. \”including total transfer of Volvo’s valuable intellectual property by the second quarter 2010.\” in other words, china can buy its way up the quality ladder. Depends if they choose to grow on this or if they squander the tech and make them cheap and nasty.

  • Wheelnut

    Tomas: First you say “Personally, I’d prefer car built in Europe or Japan..”
    Then you say ” I would judge the build quality on individual model’s merits.
    NOT prejudge the car’s build quality based on country of origin!”

    Yet by saying that you would prefer a car from Europe or Japan; you are prejudging a car based on the country of origin.. as you are assuming [like you always do] that just because it comes from Europe or Japan that its somehow better.

    Yet there are a number of [mostly small] cars from Europe and Japan that have the same level of [poor] build quality; safety etc as those from India China or Korea etc.

    • Tomas79

      Wheelnut says:”Yet by saying that you would prefer a car from Europe or Japan; you are prejudging a car based on the country of origin.. as you are assuming [like you always do] that just because it comes from Europe or Japan that its somehow better.”

      Wheelnut, your prejudice is showing again….
      I never said “that just because it comes from Europe or Japan that its somehow better.” Mate, I for one know that just because a car is made in Europe or Japan, doesn’t automatically guarantee it’s quality! For example, look at the German built Opel’s insignia interior quality… Far from top notch!!
      It’s just all the cars I would consider getting next, are built in Europe (MB,Audi,Skoda etc..) or Japan(Toyotas, Lexus).

      And I do have specific models in mind, so don’t bother me with statements that these brands actully build all over the world… Yes, i know!!!

  • Wheelnut

    Well you did you Curak

    I said that I would prefer a car from China rather than one form india.. then you said you would prefer a car from Europe or Japan.. thereby showing that you are also as prejudice as I am.

    Yet Everyone is prejudice and has their preferences

    I mean the prefix “Pre” means that it is done beforehand before the event; as in Pre-judge – which means that you make a judgement often based on inaccurate information; before even trying or experiencing it for yourself..

    • Tomas79

      Wheelnut,
      Curak Nah, haven’t heard of that one either… Or you just don’t how to write it probably!!

      Also Wheelnut, even though you might find it very amusing to look up swear words in another language, and use them on here, it is a very childish, imature, lame thing to do!!

      Also once India or China start producing the same cars I wan’t, that are currently made in Europe or Japan, I won’t have any quells in checking those cars out, seeing how well they are made!! So no, I’m not like you!!

      • Wheelnut

        Tomas says: nce India or China start producing the same cars I wan’t, that are currently made in Europe or Japan, I won’t have any quells in checking those cars out,

        The fact that you will only consider cars from China or India if/when they start making the make/model of cars that you are interested in still shows that you are as prejudice as I am – if not more

        Because if you were a real car enthusiast as you claim to be; when cars from China or India become available in Australia you would take them for a test drive even though they may not be the type of car you are usually interested in..

        Go and try the Great Wall Pick Up for example; I have even though I don’t particularly like Pick-Ups.. its not such a bad vehicle for the money..but its not quite up there with the likes of the Hilux just yet.

        BTW: I think you mean that you won’t have any Qualms – as in you won’t have any problems etc.. The word Quell means to suppress; to extinguish; to quieten

        • Tomas79

          Wheelnut, for a self acclaimed car enthusiast you seem to spend way too much time at home/net?! Please Explain?!

          Also, I’m not in the market for a ute, and even if i was, because of this ute’s stats, it wouldn’t make my shortlist!! That doesn’t mean it is a bad ute for the price…

          Also I don’t go for test drives willy nilly, as I absolutely hate being bothered, and tlater called up by the sales staff!! Luckily last time i went to test drive cars in the prado’s range, the sales people didn’t bother me too much. Probably given my age and appearance, they probably didn’t think i was too series about buying a brand new 4wd!! :-D

  • Wheelnut

    In other words What you are saying Tomas is that unless its a car that you would consider buying /are interested in..that all other cars are crap

    Which is prejudicial not to mention narrow minded

    Because even though I am a Holden man when I was looking at trading my Commodore in on a new car [a couple of years ago] I had a test drive of an AWD Subaru Impreza – just to see what it was like to drive.. I was impressed with the level of features and performance etc so much so that I ended up buying it. Yet It was a car I hadn’t really thought about before.

    Not only that but after having read several articles/reviews about the Volvo XC60 I am also planning to go for a test drive to see what its like because who knows it might surprise me and could possibly be my next car.

    • Tomas79

      Wheelnut says:”In other words What you are saying Tomas is that unless its a car that you would consider buying /are interested in..that all other cars are crap”

      Lol, you retarded or something?? No, I’m not saying that all!! Obviously If I’m not interested in a vehicle , I’m not going to buy one!! That doesn’t mean a vehicle is crap!! Seriously don’t be lame, everyone reading this will pick up on you trying to put words in my mouth!!
      Are you really that desperate??

      • Andrew M

        Sorry Bud,
        I think Wheelie actually got you there.
        You chipped him because he said he would prefer a Chinese over an Indian, then you said you would prefer Euro or Jap.

        Your words were nearly identical in how you phrased it.
        If he was judging on a vehicles origins, then you certainly were too.
        Just cop it on the chin Kettle. Or is it Pot???? Your choice. And yes, both the pot and kettle are made in Euro land before you thumb your nose at both

        • Tomas79

          Similar words maybe, differen’t meaning?!
          Funny, with all thats been said, all you guys seem to bother commenting over weather or not i prefer Japanese/Euros over japanese/indian cars!!!

      • Wheelnut

        I’m not putting word in your mouth Tomas; I am just reading what you said..
        The thing is you have such a distinctive writing style that your arrogance; ignorance and narrow-mindedness just comes shining through

        Because until you actually take a car for a test drive; anything you say about it is merely an opinion and not FACT – which is what you try to pass your comments off as..

        • Tomas79

          Wheelnut says:

          “Because until you actually take a car for a test drive; anything you say about it is merely an opinion and not FACT – which is what you try to pass your comments off as..”

          ??? Please link to anything that has been said above??

          • Wheelnut

            Because in a number of your comments [on this site] on a number of new cars which you haven’t driven/owned; or that you would never drive/own because they don’t interest you etc

            You have said that it’s a FACT that the [insert make/model here]:
            is inferior.. has poor build quality.. poor reliability etc

            As though you are some kind of authority on that make/model..
            all makes/models.. How would you know unless you have driven one?

            Not only that but you refuse to accept any comments from those who actually have driven or happen own that make/model of car.

  • v70s60

    I am traveling sales person with a 2003 v70 with 200,000 miles on it, and counting. I get the oil changed twice a month and replace the tires every 6-8 months, and maybe a minor service here and there. It is not unusual for me to drive 500 miles in a day. I have always had Volvo’s and also have a 2009 s60 (which is not remotely the car, the v70 is). If you had asked me what my next car would be a month ago, I would tell you I only drive Volvo’s, for nothing beat the reliability, quality, and comfort. However, I don’t plan on buying a new Made in China Volvo. I will instead invest in a clean low mileage used 2003-2007 v70, which has proven to be more than a viable investment.

  • dalton

    I WILL NEVER BUY A VOLVO PAST 97. volvo stoped being volvo in 1998!!!!

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    Just sad… I just hope that they will maintain the quality of all the Volvo’s model if ever…

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  • Tomas79

    Is someone forcing you to read the above comments under knife point?

    If not, why bother Reading/Commenting??