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10,000 Toyota Camry Hybrids – ambitious or genius?

By Tim Beissmann |

A few numbers just keep popping up whenever Toyota’s Hybrid Camry is mentioned:

  • 2010, February – launch date
  • $35 million – taxpayer-funded investment from the Federal Government’s Green Car Innovation Fund
  • $35 million – taxpayer-funded investment from the Victorian Government
  • 35 percent – purported fuel saving over its ‘six-cylinder rivals’ (if, in fact, it has any in-class six-cylinder rivals)
  • 6.0 – expected fuel consumption, combined-cycle litres/100km
  • < 150 – g/km CO2 emissions
  • 0.27 – drag coefficient, the lowest of any Australian-built car
  • 389 – size in litres of the new boot, down from 535 litres, but apparently still large enough to fit…
  • …4 – golf bags (but probably not the clubs, or sand buckets)

But one other number stands out above all of these:

  • 10,000 – the number of Hybrid Camry’s Toyota will produce for the domestic market (including 300 for New Zealand)

So who’s going to be driving them all?

Victorian Premier John Brumby has already committed his government to one-fifth of the first year run, which leaves 8000 for non-government buyers in 2010, while the word from Toyota is that fleet pre-orders have already been very strong.

However, in the first 11 months of 2009, just 3891 hybrid vehicles have been sold in Australia, representing 0.59 percent of the total non-commercial market. (Comparative figures for 2008 stood at 4732 hybrids from a total market of 748,846 vehicles.)

The total US new vehicle market in 2008 reached 13.2 million – more than 13 times the record one million figure set in Australia. There, the Hybrid Camry made up just 46,272 of these, around 4.5 times Toyota Australia’s ambitious target for next year.

Toyota Australia’s senior executive director of sales and marketing, David Buttner, isn’t concerned the numbers seem ambitious. “We launched Prius I in 2001, four years after the global launch of the product.  We’ve been averaging with Gen II about 300 a month and with Gen III we’re about the same storyline.

“So while hybrid represents a small proportion of the overall Australian marketplace now, the proportion that’s represented is always dependent upon the number of offerings in the marketplace. So it might only be 4000 [hybrid sales] this year, but with any new entrant in the marketplace, regardless of what it is, we are always looking for incrementality,” he said.

He noted that Toyota globally sold two million hybrids in its first 12 years with the technology, then just under 500,000 in 2008, and now has aspirations to sell one million next year and finally to have a hybrid in every model in the decade commencing 2020.

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In Australia the Hybrid Camry’s closest rival appears to be the Honda Civic Hybrid which at $35,990* should be similarly priced. With a combined-cycle fuel economy of 4.6 litres/100km and CO2 emissions of 109g/km, the Civic will be the more frugal of the two. But the Camry is bigger and considerably more powerful (140kW vs 85kW).

At 6.0 litres/100km combined and 159g/km CO2, the Hyundai i30cw SLX CRDi wagon is, environmentally speaking, another close competitor. Storage capacity is also 26 litres larger and at $29,890* the Korean will be at least $3000 less expensive than the Hybrid Camry.

The Skoda Octavia RS TDI matches the i30 for fuel economy and emissions exactly, and has just 15kW less the Camry. But with a starting price of $40,290* for the six-speed automatic ($37,990* for the manual) it is likely to be marginally more expensive than the local offering.

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Earlier this week Mr Buttner stated his ambitions for the hybrid to become the “halo car” of the Camry brand. “And to do that I believe you need to have a focus on private sales and you need to try to appeal to private customers.”

He said approaching 40 percent of private share for the hybrid was the goal for the future. “I’d like to think that we’d try to get close to 30-odd percent private share next year and then look to the future of 35-38 percent overall,” he said.

He admitted that significant effort has been expended on educating people about hybrid technology. “What we’ve been trying to do this year in the lead up to Gen III Prius and also Hybrid Camry is really trying to dispel some of the myths in the marketplace. You know, ‘You have to take it home at night and plug it into the wall’, ‘The battery dies on you every three years and it’s going to cost you a fortune to replace’.”

And he confirmed that Australians are becoming much more aware of hybrids, what’s on offer and exactly how they work. “The recognition of what HSD means has grown from 7 to 28 percent [for the other 72 percent of you, that’s Hybrid Synergy Drive], and [recognition of] the fact that Toyota sells a hybrid has grown from about 29 to 71 percent,” he said.

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Finally, he admitted that a significant proportion of Hybrid Camry sales are likely to come from buyers who would have purchased another Toyota, but said it was an inescapable reality of expanding the brand.

“We can’t be naive and bury our heads in the sand and say ‘There won’t be any substitution’.  There will always be some degree of substitution, but you always try to increment your volume as you go. Our current estimates are at about 50 percent substitution from its family, so it will have some impact, but it’s hard to estimate. At the end of the day the market will dictate what happens.”

Slightly less than one in four motor vehicles sold in Australia bears the Toyota badge, so you’d have to admit the company is very good at picking the market. By June 2010 we’ll know whether the Hybrid Camry is just another smart call by the Australian automotive landscape’s biggest player.


 
  • Mitch

    “0.27 – drag coefficient, the lowest of any Australian-built car”

    Not that big a deal. only beat 2 other cars.

    • J

      Yeah, just, and drag coefficient only really matters at higher speeds, which is where hybrids tend to be pretty average anyway.

      Suppose every bit counts, though.

      • MD-88

        Drag co-efficient is relevant the moment you start moving and a phenomenal amount of design work goes into achiveing this figure. Aerodynamics is far more complex than a nice air dam and spoiler.

        • J

          Relevant, yes; significant, no.

  • mmmmmmm

    all toyota has to do is get their fleet pricing close to the falcon or commodore, and they’ll pull in the sales.
    companies want to be seen to be green without the inflated prius price tag.
    this car is more about image than anything else

  • Simon

    Why are they comparing the Camry, which only exists in a 4 cylinder format, with 6 cylinder cars? It is widely accepted that the 4 cylinder Camry, despite better consumption in the new model, is certainly nothing remarkable. Where are the hybrid fuel consumption figures against the 4 cylinder model???

    TOYOTA SPIN!

    • mark

      you know the funny thing the aurion has better fuel consumtion then the standard camry but toyota set the offical rate at 9.9litres so it dnt kill the camry sales.

      • Joe0523

        What a load of BS!! Toyata do not set the “offical” fuel rate. It is done by a 3rd body. To say the aurion was set to 9.9 by toyata is wrong.

  • Simon

    RE: Skoda TDI VS Camry Hybrid.

    Let’s talk Torque. Fill up both cars with people & luggage. Do a consumption test under real world conditions. See the Camry’s consumption spike, see the Skoda’s increase slightly.

  • milobob

    I think I’ll wait for lithium-ion batteries before I buy any hybrid. Less weight = less fuel used. But if this camry sells for around $30k… I reckon it will be a steal as a base camry is only up to $5k less expensive?

    • Simon

      What is a “steal” is the government using our tax dollars to fund this farce. If the government subsidized their purchase instead of development perhaps it could have been worthwhile.

      • Wheelnut

        I agree the State and Federal gummint gave Toyota $70m so for the 10,000 Hybrid Camrys that Toyota are intending/planning to builsd/sell [next year] “we ” have already cintributed $7K for each one of them

        What’s more most of them will become part of various Govt department fleets which means “we” are paying even more for them yet again.

        .. then theres the liklihood ttha after that the majority of Oz-made Hybrid Camrys will be exported to meet overseas demand – just like the regular Camry

        I doubt very few [in Oz] will be private buyers as there are so many better value 4 cyl options/alternatives available

        • mark

          the amount put in by the vic gov includes the cost amount for the govs 2000 of them.

    • Simon

      At least the USA Government spending dollars in GM resulted in them becoming major shareholders. What does the Australian Government own as a result of their giveaway?

      • Wheelnut

        The Federal Govt could have should have given the $35m to help Keep Mitsubishi in Oz..

        Because as i have said before Toyo-kyo already had plans to build the Hybrid Camry here anyway.

        I mean just last week the SA govt bought the Mitsubishi Factory at Tonsley Park for $30m…. which some say would have been enough to keep Mitsubishi operating for a few at least 2-5 more years.

        ..and as Simon says – that way the Govt would becomes a sharehilder

  • Safety First

    So the Victorian arm of Govco is taking 2000 vehicles, how many has the Federal signed up for?? From what I understand, there will only be around 4000 left to retail after the Govco (strong fleet interest) order banks have been filled….

  • http://Caradvice onepoppa

    Fleet operators will be busting a gut to by Hybrid Camrys. This is one area where the bean counters will be outvoted by the PR and corporate image guys. However, might be at the expense of conventional Camry fleet purchases.

    • JooberGTI

      Exactly, For any enviro-damaging / profit raking company, this would be an excellent PR play, keep an eye out for the big banks over time who need to keep their profits down (possibly in the bean counters interest too), as well as big pollutants attempting to counter image with this car.

  • Dennis

    Did anyone say Taxi?

    • Jester

      For sure!!!!!!!

  • realcars

    Skoda may be dearer but it is twice the vehicle in every respect to the Camry.

  • Myke

    Four golf bags? in a boot with 389L and gooseneck hinges??

    • Wheelnut

      Yeah – I remember when the Toyota fans on here were criticising Holden for having Goose-neck Hinges as they intrude into the boot take up space and could damage some items etc.

      Holden have since gone to Pneumatic struts; However; now that Toyota have Goose-neck Hinges I suppose they are acceptable again.

      The other thing I notice is that due to the “Hybrid” set up.. It appears that [unlike other medium sized sedans] the Camry doesn’t have a ski port in the boot either

  • Jon

    Sell 10,000 in 2010? We will see how the first 3 months going – hope they sell over 1,500 in 3 months… Good luck to Toyota Australia. :)

  • Shak

    They will sell because they are Toyota Hybrids. remember what happened with the prius. The unsuspecting masses will see Toyota and think relieable and safe. They wont see the boredom and pure abyss that they are about to purchase. They will easily sell 8000, not that i want them to succeed, but they will. In the same way that Holdens are Australian and all that hoo haa, Toyotas have this reliable image.

  • Will

    It’s called ‘protectionism’.

    Rudd offers Toyota Oz a huge sum of our money to develop a machine that has already been developed. Brumby buys up on the results big time, calls his fleets ‘green fleets’, saves a few jobs and wins the election this coming October. Doesn’t take

    Einstein to work that one out…

  • tekkyy

    hybrids bring us a luxury level of refinement/NVH to affordable cars

    hope they are working on hybrid Commodore and Falcon too

  • martin copelin

    These people should ease up on attacking cars such as the Australian made Camry. Everytime somebody buys one in lieu of a foreign import they help employ Aussies both at Toyota and the parts companies. However the most important is the saving on money heading to overseas factories. Remember people take away our minerals exports and this country is living way beyond its earning capacity.

  • JabbaTheHutt

    There’s one up here in Cairns. As predicted it is a taxi. They must get a serious concession to use these types of cars because they are actually expensive to buy. The several thousand dollar price difference buys a lot of fuel over the life of the car.

    ….and wouldn’t this vehicle be majorly expensive to repair after warranty expires?