Comments on: BMW 1 Series concept ActiveE to be revealed at Detroit

By: lazybones

lazybones — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:39:19 +0000

“I said make, process or develop, not sale price for pure profiteering!”

Clearly you are unware of the extensive processing that goes into getting a litre of fuel into your car. Not to mention the extensive seismic research that goes into find the stuff. And what about the development of cleaner burning fuels like Optimax etc.

“Shot yourself in the foot there bud!”

If fission is 50 years out, it doesn’t surplus electicity in 51 years time. Just to get the world on 100% renewables in 100 years will be a major ask. Your basic muppet understanding of the energy sector is priceless.

Even if there was a magical H2 infrastructure available. The supply and price of H2 would be governed by the oil companies who you claim, quote “price for pure profiteering!”. What do you think will happen to the price of H2 if were to become mainstream?

By: The Real Car Fanatic

The Real Car Fanatic — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:39:46 +0000

I said make, process or develop, not sale price for pure profiteering! And over the next 100 to 150 years fossil fuels will dry up, but look at how far we have come over the last 100 years! You even said yourself Fission is 50 years away. Hmmm last time I checked 50 years was alot shorter than 100 to 150 years.

Shot yourself in the foot there bud!

By: lazybones

lazybones — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:16:04 +0000

Your missing the point. The problem with H2 is supply. In the next 100-150 years all fossil fuels will be gone. Currently 80% of H2 comes from Natural gas. We will have no choice but power the planet on 100% renewables. Thats a big ask considering the growing demand on energy of the planet. The only option is to be more efficient not less.

So to create a H2 supply for cars will require 3 times more energy (lookup Hydrogen Economy) than to do the same with electric or hybrid cars. Where are we going to find this extra supply? Fission is over 50 years away from supplying returns. If we were in a situation where there was a surplus of energy then i’d agree with you. But the reverse is true.

“Show me one example in history where something didn’t become cheaper to make, process or develop with more research over a period of say 30 to 40 years?”

OIL

By: The Real Car Fanatic

The Real Car Fanatic — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:47:32 +0000

Show me one example in history where something didn’t become cheaper to make, process or develop with more research over a period of say 30 to 40 years? Something that currently exist that was once thought would not work Einstein? Let me answer that for you, never. Shame we won’t get to see you eat your words, just hide under your rock when it does happen.

Enough said!

By: lazybones

lazybones — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:20:45 +0000

Ok, so your entire philosophy is that, it will just get cheaper and somehow the laws of thermal dynamics will just change. Ok got it.

By: The Real Car Fanatic

The Real Car Fanatic — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:29 +0000

I’ve already done that. Currently it is far too expensive to produce, but with everything from Petroleum in the early 1900 to Carbon Fibre in the 21st century. Production was initially expensive, not so now, infact when the first Combustion engined cars appear, many people shared the opinion you have on Hydrogen. They were expensive to make, own and run, it was a toy for the rich that would never be mainstream. Now even poor people like you have a car.

Intime Hydrogen will be the fuel used in cars, you’ll see.

By: Philthy

Philthy — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:18:56 +0000

Hydrogen requires a lot of energy to produce, compress and transport, and is very difficult to store. The range and charge time issues with batteries will be sorted out in the near future and there’s already a distribution and production network in place. On balance, battery EV’s are in front for now.

By: lazybones

lazybones — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:40:42 +0000

Ok, Since i have explained in detail why Hydrogen is doomed. How about you explain why it will succeed.

By: The Real Car Fanatic

The Real Car Fanatic — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:58:37 +0000

here’s hoping it’s in Lazybones lifetime so he can swallow his pride

By: Old Dog

Old Dog — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:53:17 +0000

Hydrogen is the future, but its a distant future.