Comparing the outgoing Omega to the new one is like comparing chalk and cheese
Model Tested:
- 2009 Holden Commodore Omega; 3.0-litre, six-cylinder, petrol; six-speed automatic; sedan – $39,990*
Options:
- Metallic Paint $500 (Fitted); Matching Spare Wheel $350; Six CD Tuner $595; Sport Suspension & LSD $690; Country Pack Suspension $330; Bluetooth Connectivity $495; Rear Park Assist $495
Improved gearbox; fuel consumption; interior space
Dated styling; handling
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It has always been seen as the fleet special and with the release of Holden’s latest range of SIDI engines; Holden has given the entry level Omega some oomph in the form of a new engine and gearbox.
While the rest of the range receives Holden’s 210kW 3.6-litre six-cylinder directly injected engine, the Omega and Berlina receive a 3.0-litre six-cylinder engine, which produces 190kW and 290Nm. The smaller capacity engine is mated to a six-speed automatic gearbox; a chalk and cheese leap from its four-speed predecessor.
In a bid to reduce fuel consumption, Holden has also fitted low rolling resistance tyres to the Omega, helping reduce the fuel consumption from the MY9.5’s 10.6L/100km to an impressive 9.3L/100km.
The new SIDI engine technology differs from the MY9.5 Omega’s multi-point injection system by directly injecting fuel into the combustion chamber. SIDI (Spark Injection Direct Injection) allows for fuel consumption improvements, along with more power at the top end.
Aside from SIDI badges on the boot lid and side flanges and twin exhausts, the Omega is aesthetically no different to its MY9.5 predecessor. It would have been nice to see some visual changes, as the design is getting dated since the Commodore’s 2006 release.
The interior also remains identical to the outgoing Omega. There’s plenty of leg and head room for the driver and front passenger, with exception leg room in the rear in comparison to the Ford Falcon XT.
If you were to drive the MY9.5 Omega and hop straight into the MY10 Omega, it would be like going from a Volkswagen Beetle into a Porsche 911 Turbo.
Not only has straight line acceleration improved, the gearbox is a million times better. The outgoing four-speed automatic would drive you mad with its indecisive gear changes and constant shifting. The new six-speed gearbox works in unison with the SIDI motor to bring out its full potential.
From around 4000rpm, a raspy engine note exposes itself and remains all the way to redline. There is also an acceleration surge from around 4000rpm that gives the Omega a newfound sporty feel.
Mid-range torque from 80km/h has also improved, making overtaking a far less daunting task. The drive can also pass for ‘sporty’ when selecting the tiptronic mode, with the driver shifting gears manually.
The outgoing Omega produced peak torque of 330Nm, which is a 40Nm drop compared to the MY10, but it certainly doesn’t feel any less willing. If anything, the new gearbox has helped free up the engine and make better use of all available power.
While the engine has literally transformed the Omega, the spongy brake feel is still lingering. The brakes feel progressive to a point and then feel firm, requiring more pressure to stop the vehicle.
On test, fuel consumption sat at around 10.1L/100km, an improvement on the previous generation but still a stretch from the claimed 9.3L/100km.
The suspension is very soft and soaks up any type of road thrown at it. This adversely affects handling, increasing the body roll. As most drivers won’t care about handling, it’s a great setup for highways and country roads.
Standard features include: 16-inch alloy wheels, six-speaker stereo with single disc CD player, adjustable steering column (tilt and reach), air conditioning, electric windows, electric wing mirrors, cruise control, automatic headlights, auxiliary input socket, central locking, driver electric seat, alarm, trip computer, power steering, sunglass holder and cloth trim seats.
Standard safety features include: ABS brakes with EBA and EBD, ESC with traction control, alarm, engine immobiliser, driver and front passenger SRS airbags, driver and front passenger head airbags, rear passenger head airbags and driver and front passenger side airbags.
Omega pricing starts from $39,990*, an increase of $700 over the MY9.5 Omega.
The new engine has given the Omega the heart transplant it was desperately waiting for. While it won’t set the world on fire, it makes the Omega feel less like a slow moving boat and more like the fleet model it should be.
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*Pricing is a guide as recommended to us by the manufacturer.
Specifications:
- Engine: 2,997cc DOHC six-cylinder (24 valve)
- Power: 190kW @ 6,700rpm
- Torque: 290Nm @ 2,900rpm
- Induction: Direct injection
- Transmission: Six-speed automatic
- Driven Wheels: Rear
- Brakes: Discs with ABS, EBA & EBD
- Top Speed: 220km/h (Approx.)
- 0-100km/h: 7.8 seconds
- CO2 Emissions: 221g/km
- Fuel Consumption: 9.3L/100km (ADR)
- Fuel Consumption: 10.1L/100km (As Tested)
- Fuel Tank Capacity: 73 litres
- Fuel Type: 91RON Unleaded Petrol
- ANCAP Rating: Five-star
- Airbags: Front, Side & Curtain
- Safety: ESC with Traction Control
- Spare Wheel: Space Saver
- Suspension: Strut (F) / Multi-link (R)
- Tow Capacity: 2,100kg (Braked)
- Warranty: Three-years/100,000 kilometres
- Weight: 1,696kg (Tare)
- Wheels: Alloy 16 x 7.0-inch
It’s interesting how no journos seem to get anywhere near the official 9.3L/100km figure. Did they just pluck that figure out of the sky? Also disappointing that they have stuck with that awful handbrake and the power windows switches in the centre console.
Agree on the handbrake,its awful to look at when applied on. But having
two cars,one with the window switches on the door,and the other on the
centre console, I find the centre console is a much better place for them.
The left arm always seems more free changing gears, radio etc so I like the centre arrangement whereas on the door it seems slightly more awkward ,as
my right hand is generally always on the steering wheel.
You actually prefer the window switches there? When driving my sister’s Commodore I hate touching the window switches as they are always dirty from spilt Coca Cola or KFC BBQ sauce from her kids. Besides that, at night you need to feel around for them if you’re not familiar with the car, which is why all journos (except perhaps those at Wheels) agree that they are an ergonomic nightmare. Virtually all car makers have now moved theirs to the door and I’d be surprised if Holden didn’t do the same for the next model. Just like Ford had to be pushed and shoved to move their awful park brake from the dash to the console, Holden will be forced to follow.
+1
Yes, I know I may be in the minority but I do prefer them in the centre.
I have had other cars in the past and have had trouble with central
locking on one car and a dud window switch due to corrosion and moisture
finding its way into the window/lock mechanism.
But for me ergonomically I prefer the centre arrangement, and as for the
coke and BBQ sauce, I don’t know about you but my dad brought me up the
old school way where his valiant/kingswood etc was his shrine and would
give you a clip under the ear if food got within 5 metres LOL.
Switches on the console are a much better place for them. You dont get water on them if you leave ur window open for example. And u mentioned u cant see them, i dont know about you, but they all have lights on the switches so u can easily locate them. Its easy to keep food off it aswell, just dont bring it near the centre console, or keep a tissue with u to wipe ur fingers before u touch them. I rarely eat in my car, but thats what i’d do if i was to.
To me i think the handbrake is a good design idea, the only thing they can probably do is upgrade the lastics, and problems solved =]
But you do get Coke and stuff in them because of their proximatey to the cup holders. Even if you don’t “eat” in your car but you go through the drive through. As to the posittion preference. It’s all to do with what you are used to. You prefer then in the centre becuase you’re used to them, I prefer L/Hand indicators because i am used to them… Neither is right or wrong..
The park brake on the other hand looks like an after thought, but it is wayyy better than a competitors foot opperated unit. ;-)
Safety First,
Its not that im used to them being in the centre, i just prefer them there for a few reasons, and also because to me they look better in the centre. I have a VW which has its switches on the door, its okay, but as i said before i prefer them in the centre also because of water reasons. Its indicator stalk is on the left, but that i dont mind, to me its a different story.
If you eat and drink sensibily, thats not a problem, and no i dont go through drive throughs i like to enjoy my food =]
Park brake is far from an after thought. They had it in mind when they were first designing it. I like it because when its down, its completly out of the way. And never once have i caught my fingers in it, neither when i was rushing or taking it easy.
I dont know how well the Falcons one works, but i can say i dont like the look of it, looks similair to a male organ =]
I find the door switches more conveinient also because when you are getting into your car you dont have to get right in the car to put them down (especially on a hot day)
And on getting out of the car you can wind them up in the same movement
Holden now has auto up all windows, something we will offer on our updates soon.
Also it wasn’t until BF we introduced lights on the window switches, not all had them.
If it wasn’t achievable, Holden wouldn’t be allowed to quote it. It’s a uniform test and, however optimistic it may seem (Holden aren’t alone in that regard), it’s apples with apples and it’s all we have.
Maybe accelerating at 4000 rpm has something to do with the high fuel consumption?
I never knew just how expensive this Commodore is! $40k for a BASE model. Woah! And that interior is so cheap! Nothing silver/chrome (part from one thing) in the whole cabin…
I’m sure it drives alright, and that it’s a great long-distance car but that price is just too ridiculous, especially considering you can get XR6 Falcons for $37k drive away! It’s no wonder that the Falcon has out sold the Commodore these last few months! VF is long-overdue.
Jake02
The Falcon (FG) is yet to outsell the commodore, sedan sales were higher in one month but that is it, but overall the FG Falcon is yet to even come close to outselling the VE.
Also i think your will find an XT costs nearly 40k to put on the road also, and that 37k Drive away for an XR6 is a heavily discounted price to help boost Falcon sales.
also how he says “There’s plenty of leg and head room for the driver and front passenger, with exception leg room in the rear in comparison to the Ford Falcon XT” makes it sound as if you are sitting in a Barina in the back, there is plenty of leg room.
The Falcon outsold the Holden when they were switching to the new model and had a supply issue. At least get the story right before triping ford fanboy.
Both the Commodore and Falcon are in need of an interior upgrade and diesel engine. I can’t believe both companies are taking so long on this.
First person Ive heard say the Falcon also need an interior uypgrade….
Why would you assume everyone loves the Falcon’s interior
I havent assumed that, I just said he was the First that I heard ;-)
Why would you assume that I assumed everyone liked it???
Commodore and falcon sales have been pretty close through out the whole year. How can you sit there and honestly say they have never been close???
You are right on price though.
No matter how far back you track prices on the base commodore and Falcon, they have always priced themselves fairly closely to each other.
Oh and On discounting, you really think Holden dont discount???
Should have heard the kick a r s e deal they wanted to give me….
At the moment ford can probably afford to discount the XR6.
They are selling bugger all of the base models whiich means most of their sales are coming from the vehicles that have the cream on them.
Usually ethe base models arent the real money spinners. they use the upper specs to make their real cream, and since ford is only really selling the cream models, they can probably afford to put them on sale….
Andrew M:
Yes they do discount, we got an SS 5 months ago for 37 drive away, but what im saying is that Holden don’t have to continuously advertise there cars at a massively discounted price, because people know that if you want a Holden, they will look after you.
BUT THEY DON’T NEED TO ADVERTISE THEIR CARS AT ROCK BOTTOM PRICES TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THEIR CAR LIKE FORD DO!
. . . and on Sales Commodore sedan maybe, but not Commodore as a product line.
Firstly not sure what you mean by this….
“and on Sales Commodore sedan maybe, but not Commodore as a product line.”
Are you talking about the sales being close topic???
Well the Falcon ute is even closer, and the Falcon ute is actually the reining champion in sales.
Wagons is the real difference in sales, but considering Ford have a non branded Falcon wagon in the territory to prop up sales, I dont think they give a toss
Oh and on advertising….
Yep Ford is doing their run at the moment, but Holden does their fair share too. For some reason they dont seem to run campains at the same time???? It was Holden flogging them at the start of the year, now Ford.
To actually be correct, Holden are still flogging their product, they just arent including a price point in the adverts.
I hear and see commodore sedan and ute adverts all the time, they just tell you the price once you are in the doors.
Product awareness is the aim of the game, not necessarily the advertising of price
Holden may not advertise price but they have always advertised a hell of a lot more than Ford. When the SIDI engines launched I lost count of the number of times the ads were on in one day, yet when the FG launched Ford dropped the ball when they should’ve been doing a blitz as well
Andrew, Falcon has outsold Commodore for 2 months now.
Only the sedan, look at combined figures and commodore has outsold Falcon every month this year. Just shows Holden has a more complete large car line up.
Gotta wonder what the extra platform (LWB) actually costs them in order to just sneak them over the line with total sales…….
Shak you are right, I should have specified sedans. But it is no small feat for Ford as they have languished behind Holden’s Commodore for so long.
It’s nice to see people waking up to the crummy products Holden make although I’m glad Holden are starting to make things better with their new drive trains. Time will tell how good they are. Remember how much noise they made about the Alloytech. What a failure! Now if they could only upgrade the interior and fix that ridiculous A pillar!
On another note – to go for an FG XR6T or G6ET ????
Hmmmm pros and cons……
The wagon hasn’t really cost Ford anything for years so each of the 400 they sell each month has been long paid for development wise (same as Ford selling the Crown Victorias in the US to cops). Was the money Holden spent on their wagon worth it for an extra 600 per month?
I was reading somewhere else that if Commodore & Falcon ute sales were included with the sedan sales instead of separately, Commodore and Falcon would knock Hilux and Corolla down to #3 & #4
Simon: I’d look at it if you want to cruise around or throw it around the corners, I went with the throw it around the corners. You know both go like the clappers :D
Simon:
Yes, it has, that was my mistake.
But Commodore still out sells Falcon constantly buy nearly 1000 Cars, and then last time i checked Holden were out selling the Falcon ute to.
Wrong. Falcon Ute led Commodore ute comfortably last month, and leads YTD.
Not to mention is also the reining champion from last years wrap up
Sorry my mistake again.
but, Andrew M:
We are talking Commodore and Falcon, don’t bring Territory into it because it’s a completely different segment.
Andrew
Feel free to count Captiva sales in with Commodore if they want to count Territory as part of Falcon sales…that’s only fair
Im a Holden fanboy and even i know that the only reason, Holden’s Commodore outsells the Falcon month on month, is because they have one of the best marketing teams in the country. At the moment, Holden has the inferior large car, but just as they have done for years, they will play the leapfrog game, and improve on what they should. The Interior quality is the only really big problem, the A-pillar is just a built in safety measure, and as for the outside, most people still think it looks very handsome.
Poohbear,
Since when was the Captiva make in OZ let alone on the same platform as the Commodore???
And above all that this chat was about Ute sales, and where did I try and Include Terry sales??
Shak,
Yeah I reckon the front end has aged better than the rear. The rear just looks too odd for me. GTS looks great though.
Interior and shocking 6′s (even the HI-PO) is what kept my money away from the general last time around.
At least they now have an acceptable 6cyl.
Oh and I thought the shocking visibility in the uses would wear thin with me quickly. To be honest I was over it by the end of the test drives.
Jake02 – I know those who have negotiated SV6′s down to $35k driveaway then produced the Westpac GM card to receive a further $3k customer discount. If you really wanted the Omega you could easily do it for around the $30k using the GM card – why even the International can be done for about $32k using this method without even trying to twist the salesman’s arm.
I’m sorry, but if you can heavily discount a Commodore, you can heavily discount a Falcon too. I’m not a Falcon or Commodore person, so don’t try it. It’s still dated!
Jake, that’s what I would reckon also but the final $3k comes direct from Holden after you have done the final deal on the car – not only available to the card holder but also can be used by immediate family. Ford should try the same deal but I think I know what they would say if you went to them for a final $3k rebate after you had done a deal on a falcon. Only the truly anti-holden wouldn’t see this as easy saving above and beyond.
I have a feeling most buyers would opt for the International which is $35990 driveaway and has leather, 18 inch alloys, bluetooth etc. I am wondering why Caradvice didnt test that as it would be more appropriate for private buyers.
I also think averging 10 litres per 100km is bloody impressive considering the last Toyota Yaris they tested averaged 9.3l per 100km
As it stands you would be a fool to not consider the $36990 XR6 in this segment.
Is it just me or is the colour-matching on the bumpers really bad on the car in those photos?
Mitchell Oke, they’re almost all like that. Can’t believe Holden hasn’t addressed this issue!
Yeah a lot of cars seem to have problems with metallic colours. My wifes silver Volkswagen Jetta is really bad. The bumpers look three shades darker, the dealer said apparantly ‘thats normal’ WTH?
Its because the shape and angle of light on the bumpers. They were not made of one continuous peice of plastic and as such the light reflects differently and shows different shades of colour.
Not so grasshopper.
It is a real issue.
Some are worse than others, but I believe it stems from the paint being applied to different materials (plastic/metal)
Its an issue with painting in general only it stands out like anything on cars because of the high gloss and metallic finish
It is something ive noticed on EVERY VE i have seen but this one seems to be especially bad! I would not be satisfied with that for 40k…
The good commodores stopped at the VX, thats all there is to it…
Paint is applied using an extremelly high voltage with low current
via a robot with a paint turbine, and the car has a negative/ground,
forcing the paint to be drawn to the vehicle, this causes little
overspray in the paint booths. Due to the resistive nature of plastic
the metalic particles “sit” differently causing it to look a different
colour. Most noticeable on light silver and gold. Audi/BMW/Merc
are said to have the best paint harmony (match) of all the makes and look
at a silver Audi and they can’t even get it right.
Now they just have to fix that drab interior and minor exterior freshen up and they may be on to something.
nowhere near as good as an fg falcon. lucky for the fleet sales keeping it going. I find it amazing that gm can spend so much money on so called new engine technology and still come up with this result. the Falcon engine is still way better, bigger and uses less fuel than both of these \”high tech\” engines and its not DI yet !! The FG has moved the falcon away from being a fleet vehicle and is selling more high end models than the base xt, in fact the XT makes up only 3% of Falcon sales nowdays where as the old looking VE sells mainly to fleets with the omega. and as this websites large car test verifies the FG is number one and the VE is last…..
Every bit as good as a base model Falcon, no wonder Commodore and it’s derivatives are sold all over the world therefore justifying it’s existance. I find it amazing that Ford can justify manufacturing the dog-ugly Falcon for Australian market only…Taurus here we come!
The Anti-spam word says it all, LOL FORD. $40,000 for this torqueless wonder, you’d have to be mad when there’s the XR6 @ $36,990, vastly better looking, nearly 100nm more torque, actually makes just over 400nm on 95 Octane and that’s before you copnsider Ford’s excellent control blade suspension, better gearbox and so on.
Holden will have to be offering at least 25% plus fleet discounts to move this dated old fashioned product. Anyone paying close to retail needs their “head read”
anyone paying retail on any brand of vehicle needs their head read.
The only cars where its almost unheard of getting discounted is Mazdas.
In return, their better resale is the return on that I suppose
Who’d be brainless enough to buy a me-too XR6 for $36990 when the SV6 can be had driveaway with the spanking 3.6 DI for $34340, or International for $35990.
Poor sad old Falcon FG looks the same as the previous model, they should have named it BA series 4 or 5 or whatever yawn
Lowest quote I’ve got for a MY10 SV6 was about $37k. Love to know who quoted you $34k for a brand new one..
It was in Saturday’s Courier Mail auto section $34340 driveaway metallic paint extra
34340!!! thats staff prices!
Honestly, in the sedans I’d happily take the XR6. Much nicer to actually live with. At those prices, I’d point it out to the Ford salesman…
Wagons, no comparison, it’s the Sportwagon. I’ll say one good thing for Holden, over many years they have offered a very full range across what they produce. Eg, Manual SV6 wagon, Manual V8 Berlina wagons of old, V8 Calais V wagon, SS wagon, Manual V8 on base model, SV8, individual suspension packages, Holden by Design, etc, etc. IT’s simply superior marketing.
With Ford’s wagons, the whole idea of providing different variations to capture more market share has died off slowly in the shadow of the Territory. Pity.
and in most cases better fuel economy, at worst slightly more.
From a Beetle too a 911 turbo!!!!!!
please. This new Omega is actually slower.
As for the fuel economy, not all cars get the actual ADR rating. I have seen journos get close to the 9.3, its not like holden says thats the economy, the car is tested to be able to acheive that by an independant body.
If anything, in the real world, the 3.6 is just as economical
Is it slower according to your opinion, or timed stats?
Timed. Slower to 100kmh, and slower from the roll.
Who in their right mind would pay $40K for this? Do people even realise what can be purchased for $40K these days (new and second hand)?
Nearly a golf GTI on the road or top of the range Mazda 3.
Not the same size car but very nice anyway.
Agree with all here, $40K + on roads, why would anyone consider this car over the XR6 at the moment. The FG is one of the few cars that CAN achieve the ADR Fuel rating, and better it in some cases.
But for the money you could buy a Forester XT! Just as much passenger room (for four adults), better boot space, the Turbo Engine, WAY better perfomance, and AWD which can take you down the beach if you want. Fuel consumption would be about the same!
Even if the Omega was $10K cheaper I wouldn’t consider it! Like its said before, have you seen what you can buy for $30-$40K these days! This car is so 1990s.
Forester XT better performance?
Auto Forester XT 7.9 Secs for Vs Auto Sidi 3.0 Commodore 7.8 0-100KM/H
Throw in insane insurance premiums – the Forester isn’t ever going to appeal to the Commodore buying fleets.
Alex try using facts.
Its interesting watching pricing. I made a comment recently about WRX’s which have basically stayed at 40k for the last 15 years. In that time, a base commodore has crept up from 29k to 40k. each model change adds $500-900 to the price.
All these are little incremental changes to price and base spec, but they add up over the years.
I have no doubt that the 40k commodore omega now contains more features than a 15 year old statesman probably ever did.
I would also imagine that most people probably get significant discounts on the sticker price.
At the moment the Commodore International is $35,990 driveaway with $7,500 of extra value- so they’re quite good value for such a large car. Nobody would pay RRP for an Omega.
WRX isn’t really a fair comparison is it Davie. In 1994 WRX was the top of the range in Impreza, now we have the WRX Sti and STi R spec which sit above the WRX and are priced at 62K and 67K accordingly.
I have no issue with falcadores. however I suggest that at some point, they might price themselves out of the market.
If I wanted a Subaru WRX 15 years ago it cost me 40k. If I want one now it costs me 40K.
If I wanted a Commodore 15 years ago it cost me about 28K. If I want one now it costs me 40K
I think its a fair comparison only to highlight how much falcadore prices have increased whilst some other models haven’t moved. You can’t argue that every falcadore model change always adds $500-$900. Go back through an archive of wheels or motor mag or any motoring website to see this. Or look at glass’s guide for new car prices.
You obviously know jack about the CPI then? When WRX first came out it was the top of the range Impreza. In 94 the WRX sold for 41K if you prefered HSV you bought a VR Clubsport for 47K.
Fast forward to 2009 and if you want the top of the range Impreza you buy the WRX Sti spec R you fork out 67K. Alternatively you could opt for an HSV Clubsport R8 starting at 65K.
It’s all about economies of scale Dave, I can see what your example is trying to say, but the comparisons are all wrong.
Not trying to ruin your point, but the R8 isnt the top of the line HSV.
Care to list its price tag to be fair???
Woohoo, SIDI Omega rocks, most advanced car ever built in Australia, better than Eurotrash and Japcrap, the rest of the world has no idea, Bogans rule the world.
i find it very hard to believe this car does 0-100 in 7.8 seconds.
please confirm that….
Bruzzer – don’t forget it’s direct injection. Euro performance cars went that route years ago to obtain big gains.
This machine represents the by product of a bankrupt organisation teetering on extinction. It is clearly showing it’s political initiative heritage and protection mollycoddling. The machine out of time. Don’t get me wrong, I believe we have some of the best automotive engineers in the world however even they are ham-strung by parent company incompetence.
The parent company is bankrupt and punting on single product that will almost certainly fail.
To those whom are dumb and give the badge may have some iconic status in light of it being an orphan, go ahead do your money. At that level of logic you will never be wealthy.
Fleet buyers are well aware of the machine and it’s protective status through fleet sales has suffered.
It is sad for those on the line.
I feel sorry for anyone employed by Skoda most of all.
These poor suckers must be quaking in their boots over Skoda’s lack of action in the Australian market place.
I suppose it must be hard moving vehicles that look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
For sure anyone contemplating laying down thousands on one of these showroom flops is taking a huge punt on the long term future of orphan brand Skoda.
“The parent company is bankrupt and punting on single product that will almost certainly fail.” What is this single product that GM is punting on, and why will it fail? And what is your definition of a ‘failure’?
GM call the machine the Volt. It was a desparate initiative. Rule 101 investments; Don’t place all you eggs in one basket, be that either the Volt or otherwise Lutz. And yes, the Volt did fall from the ugly tree.
I have chosen not to bring up the much internationally lauded and awarded brand that you mention on this blog as it would not be appropriate to further downgrade the machine under appraisal.
Oh, and not another logo…the United States of Tara has nothing on you.
Your call…
@ Here we go again
Your right it must be very stressful being a Eurotrash salesperson.
I imagine he/she must get all excited when someone walks through the door then it all turns to despair when they realise they only want to use the bog.
Then again looking at Eurotrash will give you the $h!ts!
Sad to hear about your eyesight and lack of intestinal fortitude.
Still respecting the blog topic, the Commodore is an orphan. Should GM survive, and that is a very big ‘if’, in two years time it will be sourced from China. GM placing management in China no doubt had rationale. It is probably less risky to state that the ‘Commodore’ will not exist in three years, probably in less time than that.
Still sinking submarines?
Willy
Keep kidding yourself bud Commodore will still be made here in 3yrs unlike your beloved Eurotrash which will be long gone from the AU market remember Seat? gone & almost forgotten.
The handful of Eurotrash that have been sold will have broken down & tuned to dust mine is already falling apart and its only 1yo.
BTW you and your little mate need to lay off the energy drinks your starting to rant on almost every post
Oh it’s you again!!!! Man I love fighting your arrogance!!! So much fun :D :D :D
I love it how on every other post you have a go at someone for suggesting Skoda (and that is it, you go off your freaking nut, even on Skoda posts…) and yet here you are, suggesting the same company. And then you have a go at Will, and yet he never suggested Skoda at all. I just don’t get how the hell you could be so pessimistic? I’ve said it time and time again and yet you idiots still keep saying it. VW Aus know setting up a new company takes TIME. TIme to gain trust from the public, from the media, from customers. They were prepared for this and prepared for a not-exactly record-setting sales year. Skoda sales are increasing (however small the amount a month) every month, so I think that you can consider that not a reason to leave the country.
You must be completely blinded by GM/Ford to not have worked this out. Last time I checked, VW is making money worldwide (and bloody lots too) and who went bankrupt? Oh yeah, GM!!!
I can’t wait for the reply too. You’ll no doubt have a go at me for tonnes of crap that I never said. Bring it on, I don’t care. Your opinion isn’t worth anything to me, as its makes NO sense. :D
Wow Jake, how old are you? :D:D:D:D What’s with all the D’s? Time to take the nappies off champ.
The guy may be a chump but you make him look good.
Why even bother with an idiotic reply like that??
I’m young, and :D is referring to a grin (look at it sideways and it’s all-good)…others on this website do it too. Welcome to the 21st century…
Wait, you don’t sound like an old man so I’m pretty sure you know about emoticons…
why would anyone buy a skoda when you can get a mazda?
Offcourse, People pick Skoda’s over boring mazdas all the time!!!
I could say something else exactly like that, but it would have no base other than company fanfare. Sound like someone you know?
40K + on roads for a base model Commodore?
Geez what are Holden thinking. I doubt Commodore and Falcon will last much longer if they continue to sell them at such ridiculous prices.
It was only a few years back that a Commodore base model was 30K.
I think Holden Commodore has aged well & is on it’s last legs. Holden Omega’s new SIDI engine is way better than the old one. The exterior has aged but something about it, i still iike. Interior has got to be changed. The only Commodore interior that looks good is the Calais-V with the optional yellow leather. Who cares if Ford outsold Commodore in October, it’s only because of limited stock available & changeover from old engines to SIDI engines. Commodore Sedan beat Falcon Sedan in November, proof people want a Commodore. Remember when Mark Reuss stated that there would be changes to the Commodore every 3-4 months, well i’m predicitng VF to arrive in January-Febraury. Holden won’t release it mid-year. Thats too long & by then, Commodore sales would of slumped even more. But with reports of new interior colours/exterior changes taken of Coupe 60, i can’t wait. Go HOLDEN!
SO many people comment that the VE is so out dated, but its only three years old. remember it came out very late 2006 and the SIDI has just improved it. Ok everyone admits the interior is horrible but it looks fine from the outside. Holden has month on month outsold ford and whether it be fleets or private its a sale. If the falcon was so good wouldn’t the fleets want that instead.
Yeah because fleets only by the best of the best, cream of the crop type cars right? Sales predicated on total superiority?, makes no sense at all dude.
But for a few years the commodore has been flogged to the fleets way below the it’s total cost… Thefore regardless of how well the crapdore sells to the fleets, Holden isn’t making any profit!!!
But my point is that if the falcon were superior and cheaper, and more frugal, wouldnt the fleets who want a superior reliable and frugal car, such as the falcon over the supposed horrible commodore.
There is more to it than that.
The vehicle has to be suitable, from there it just boils down to price.
The Corolla is a fleet Queen too, care to tell how many small cars out class it???
Some vehicles dont even want to know fleet sales because some manufacturers dont want the image of that particular model ruined.
Andrew – Here are some facts released by FCAI about car sales last year (2008)
Of the 47 000 Corolla’s slod in Australia, 24 000 were private purchases while 23 000 went to fleet.
In comparison, Holden sold 39 000 Commodores to fleet as opposed to 13 000 privately.
Now … with those FACTS from FCAI, you tell me which car is the fleet queen.
He did say “small” car.
Comparing fleet sales between classes of car is not useful in this context.
Thanks Simon,
And also to note is I said Corolla is a fleet Queen “TOO”
“TOO”/(Aswell) refers to it not only being applicable to the Corolla, but also the vehicles mentioned earlier
Ford is still hurting from the AU failure. It totally killed resale so fleetbuyers went to Holden.
Thats true.
They are still recovering from that.
Ford was on top Pre AU.
I must also say that only applied to the sedans.
The AU utes were number one seller above hilux and commodore for the entire 5 years they were on sale.
I bet not many realise the AU utes were far from a flop
Are they allowed to do that?
Regarding price, wait and sell next year when tarriffs come down another 5%. See what Holdens will do on price.
Nothing – they will throw in “free” extra’s to compete.
what is it with all these “i can’t believe its 40k ” wankers.omega is not a retail car.its a 26k fleet car.thats it.finish.done.move on….
Really Jekyl? Cause Suttons City Holden are selling them to the public for…. wait for it, $39,990 plus on roads, immediate delivery, all I have to do is choose a colour and they will have it sent up from Adelaide.
That sounds pretty retail to me.
Don’t believe me ring them. Salesman tried selling me an International even after I told him it was a general enquiry half a dozen times.
Go to another dealer, he sees you as a sucker
did that,
street price $36500.driveaway.march del.pay $43k if you want….
Anyone considering this car needs to read the large car comparison on this website only a week or two ago…
This sub-standard offering from a bankrupt, and now US government owned, company finished LAST.
Anyone taking the dodgy result of the second rate large car comparo on this site seriously should have their head read
And what is your real name Mr Reputable automotive journalist?
Easy to throw stones when you are a random.
Take a read of some magazines if you want dependable results…CA has a knack of getting anomolous results from vehicles, not just in acceleration and fuel economy but there seems to be something of a bias towards blue oval product on this website. Before any fanboys shoot off accusing Wh**ls and M*t*r of being biased towards Holden, Wh**ls awarded last month’s V8 comparo to the GS over the SS GXP despite the Falcon being slower and thirstier. Hard fact sob sob is that the Holden product is every bit as good as the Ford equivalent, the 3.6 is as good if not better than the N/A I6. Turbo 6 has the market to itself. Holden’s V8 is vastly better than the Ford offering.
Ultimately if you’re a Ford fanboy, buy a Ford…if you’re a Hoden fanboy buy a Holden. If you prefer Skodas, seek mental assistance.
Anything else you wanna know?
Yes which ward of the mental institution do they keep you in CLOWNBOY?
The H Wing. (Holden fanboy ward)
Apperently, in there they dress them all in V8SC merchanidise gear just to keep them quiet…
The only decent comment you made is that CA has a bias towards the blue oval against Holden. My conclusion is because Ford currently have better products than Holden. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist. And guess what? If Holden release a high quality product – don’t be surprised if CA gives them a good rap. For the past few years, everything Holden has released has looked poor against the competition. Really hard to give them praise.
The Commodore has become even better with direct injection and 6-speed auto… but both the interior and exteior look seriously outdated.
SV6 still does look good but honestly is not up to date with XR 6…
When is Holden going to give it a new look? I guess a bit of upgrade on design will do wonders for the already decent sales! opening up the gap further with Falcon sales
maybe they are saving money for the upgrade with the VF so all thee Ford fanboys dont havve anything to complain about.
SV6 is very much a match for XR6, read some comparos
40 grand for a base model Commodore does sound steep, but when put the price into perspective it isnt too bad. Take into account that while the base model Commodore has jumped 10 grand in the past 7 years, with inflationary effects taken into account a bit over half of this 10 grand is taken up by inflation. The VE omega has a lot more equipment than an executive had 7 years ago which would easily cover the remainder of this price gap. Also take into account that you could easily get into one of these for under 35 grand, its a pretty good value car. (It becomes an even better value car when you pick it up at the auctions in 12 months for 20 grand!)
Holden and Ford articles always go so far off topic that we end up talking about Houses for God’s sake. Can we either compliment or bag this car again.
lol, I worked at a Mazda Dealer last year, they only offer sizeable discounts when there are really big “spur of the moment” deals on. Also, as with all dealers, it depends on who you’re speaking to.
I wonder why anyone interested in commodore would buy an omega over International..
The international RRP starts from 35K (about 5K less than omega) but still has everything that an omega has plus $7500 worth features that are only optional in omega so it’s actually a lot cheaper and looks way better (with 18-inch alloy wheels)
Can anybody tell me why?
Does anyone here know when a facelift is scheduled for commodore?
I think that’s all Commodore needs… the sales will skyrocket when it gets a new fresh look.
I am baffled by this car. Why anyone would buy this car is beyond me. Every review I read compares it to the old Commodore because if you compare it to any other car in its price range it is well and truly trounced in every single category. The only way to make it seem even remotely viable is to say “Hey, at least it’s better than the last piece of sh!t base model we churned out…”
The styling is terrible until you get to an SV6
The interior is bland, cheap, unrelentingly gray, cheap, and uncomfortable. And cheap.
The performance is not worth mentioning for its mediocrity.
The fuel mileage is no where near the claimed figures.
The price is completely laughable!!
The only way you would buy this car is if you spent not time and/or energy at all in looking at its rivals (which are too many to name).
And saying it now makes a good fleet car? This makes a terrible fleet car when you think about it. The only reason it will find its way into so many fleets is because fleet managers couldn’t really care about practicality and value and just grab whatever’s easiest to buy in bulk.
Considering how pointless this car is, there should be lots to choose from…
am baffled by this car. Why anyone would buy this car is beyond me. Every review I read compares it to the old Commodore because if you compare it to any other car in its price range it is well and truly trounced in every single category. The only way to make it seem even remotely viable is to say “Hey, at least it’s better than the last piece of sh!t base model we churned out…”
The styling is terrible until you get to an SV6
The interior is bland, cheap, unrelentingly gray, cheap, and uncomfortable. And cheap.
The performance is not worth mentioning for its mediocrity.
The fuel mileage is no where near the claimed figures.
The price is completely laughable!!
The only way you would buy this car is if you spent not time and/or energy at all in looking at its rivals (which are too many to name).
And saying it now makes a good fleet car? This makes a terrible fleet car when you think about it. The only reason it will find its way into so many fleets is because fleet managers couldn’t really care about practicality and value and just grab whatever’s easiest to buy in bulk.
Considering how pointless this car is, there should be lots to choose from…
Good summary Darryl:
“The only way you would buy this car is if you spent not time and/or energy at all in looking at its rivals (which are too many to name).”
Sadly there are lots of brand loyal people that are a little ignorant about competitive offerings. I know of one woman that suddenly came across a cash windfall and decided to upgrade her old commodore. It never entered her mind that there are better options.
My conclusion:
There will always be stupid people, Holden will always have a market for their crap.
I like how everyone argue for or against the Holden or Ford, but I have to say having had both brands in my garage over the past couple of years, and having had endless trouble with especially the Holdens, I decided to buy Japanese, and I HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACK! I will NEVER buy Australian made again. Sorry to say that, but after the dealership troubles, VERY expensive service charges and CHEAP build quality, I cannot even begin to compare the brands. Holden and Ford will really have to lift their standard in my books to get my attention, and sadly it is not just the cheap brands, but the pathetic after market service I received especially from Holden.
I love my zoom zoom….
Mazda is a good choice, but not all of us argue for the Ford or Holden, like you I’ve owned both but never had any particular trouble with either, I just find them rather average after driving Euro and some Japanese cars.
I currently have one of each in my driveway (Ford and Mazda), and both have been as reliable as each other.
One thing I have found RE: service, is that the Ford Dealerships are hit and miss.
I have a Ford dealership only about a “K” away from my house, but I travel to one prob 10K away because the local lads seem so bloody dough-y.
Sure I could pick a few things the Mazda is lacking versus the Ford, but I could also pick a few things the Ford is lacking Versus the Mazda.
No real issues with either, both great drives
One thing in favour of the locals is parts are so much cheaper
The most amussing part of the dealer issue (and I’m not saying it’s in your case Andrew) is that the staff at the Ford or Holden dealerships is not up to par with the Japanese based manufacturers… I hear this day in day out.
Yet at the dealership I’m at the worst service advisor (so named by the public reports to Ford Surveys) was moved on to our Honda dealership where he still treats people the same way as he always has, but he is now highly ranked in their surveys…. Same person same attitudee to customers, the difference being the attitude and expectations of the customers.
Ive was once told If you do a good job, they will tell a couple of people, if you do a bad job, they will tell a thousand people.
Every day that has passed since I was told that, I find that to be even more substantial. I see proof of this theory every day.
Now all you need is a few bad dealerships in your network, and it tarnishes the rest.
Now when you talk expectations, I find that to be true too.
Some of the best customers I ever had when I ran a service dept were the Daewoo owners. They were very happy to get any service, did help that a lot of hteirs was done under Free Care, but even after that ran out they were still easy to deal with and just happy that they got service. The same dealerships other franchise (Proton) customers were demanding whinging never satisfied…. Different expectations different outcomes.
I didnt want to say it fearing back lash, but the manufacturers that produce desirable cars, will have customers that are more picky and annoying.
Those that focus on A-B style transport, will tend to have less picky customers
I heard this before, someone I knew said they have traded in a Commodore on a Mazda, and the Mazda is better. I ask them what year was the Commodore, 1997 they reply. Its 12 years old, of course a new car is going to be better… haha
Get a Aurion ATX $30 000, drive-away.
Why????
When they drove a SIDI commodore and a 4.0L falcon around mt Panorama for 161 laps, the falcon achieved better fuel economy then the commodore. Excact same conditions, exact same track, rotated the drivers evenly among the cars, Falcon won.
Yes because it has the torque advantage for goin uphill.
hills exist in real life too
The fact is it was a fair, un biased test. The Commodore got nowhere near it’s claimed economy, the Falcon came pretty close. All it proves, is that in the real world, where roads aren’t flat and straight, the bigger more torquey, less “advanced” falcon engine, out performs and gets better fuel economy then the new, you beaut, more advanced, greatest thing since sliced bread Commodore engine. Hands down, Falcon motor is better. On a side note, I like how people slam the falcon engine for being old and less advanced, even though it is OHC with Variable Timing in one breath. Yet in the other breath, sing the praises about a dinosaur of an engine that the Commodore V8 is, with it’s pushroads, and larger capacity just so it can match a smaller V8.
Commodore’s ‘ancient’ ‘dinosaur’ ‘pushrod’ ‘larger capacity’ V8 spanks the Ford V8 offering every which way to Sunday and gets better fuel consumption while doing the spanking
Get over it
and ps duh of course a larger capacity 6 will get better consumption than a smaller 6 up and down Mt Panorama…i’d rather see a realistic test of the 3.0 conducted along 1000km of highway before mouthing off
1000ks along a flat hwy is in no way a reaistic test.
Strange how your statement isn’t backed up by the tests. The AFM SS Commodore couldn’t beat the XR8 in fuel economy, despite being able to shut down cylinders. The commodore engine has been unable to maintain it’s power on the dino as consistantly as the falcon.
Just like the the heads at holden, you are making excuses for the fact that in a test which was fair and unbiased, the new commodore could not only come close to it’s claimed economy it was beaten by the falcon. All I hear from Holden and its fans are excuses for the cars failure to achieve its claimed figures and its sub standard performance against its competitors. Oh the road had hills, there was traffic, the red lights, blah blah blah, it is called real drving conditions and the commodore fails, epic.
Oh the road had hills, there was traffic, the red lights, blah blah blah, it is called real drving conditions and the commodore fails, epic.
There is no use complaining that the Commodore has just caught up now, at least it has. Would everyone rather it stuck with the 4spd 3.6L combo or this new DI engine.
3.6 DI has surpassed the Ford N/A I6 – anybody thinking otherwise is kidding themselves
Based on what exactly?
21st Century technology
DI is not really 21st century technology, it has been around for years… There is nothing that you could class as ground breaking on the ‘SIDI’ engine no matter what Holden’s marketers say.
Based on “I say so” and “21st Century technology”.
You got me – here I was looking for something with teeth but random statements are supposedly accepted as enough evidence.
I keep coming back to the same realization; “Commodore driver”.
Such a nasty generic label but what can I say? It fits!
What model Falcoon do you drive Simon? just curious
Typical Holden “fanboi” response Bent 8 Brigade.
P.S. Just to help you out, there are more cars out there to choose from than Commodore and Falcon… (or Toyota and Skoda by some of the other posts on this forum!)
P.P.S. So you don’t have to post the same response to me, no I don’t drive a Falcon! ;-)
FYI I drive VW.
I see a common thread of low intellect among commodore drivers. It’s not true of all of them, but certainly commodore attract more than their fair share. Two biggest offenders I see on breaking road rules and dangerous driving; Commodore and Prado drivers. Often they are raging against each other which is no surprise.
Commodores are bogan transport vehicles thus should correctly be called BTV instead of HSV. Commodore drivers often defend Holden even to the point of violence. Such is their blind following despite the fact they are substandard compared to all their competition.
I have driven many Falcons and Commodores as both fleet and hire cars.
The Falcon has it over the Commodore in every regard. Quieter, smoother, better sound system, dash, comfort, ergonomics, economy, performance and I don’t need to move my head to look around a fat A pillar.
Oh dear, a Skoda driver. Well you’re certainly entitled to your opinion Simon. VE has the Falcon’s match in all your departments. 3.6 has jumped past the I6 not just in performance but in consumption as well. Yes I have driven both. The Commodore scene is huge isn’t it, thanks for raising that. Not a real good time to be a Ford fanboy. Sucks too if you’re a Ford fanboy that Holden can keep delivering derivatives of Commodore that not only appeal to Australians but to overseas markets thereby securing it’s future…poor old Ford fanboys like yourself have a FWD Taurus to look forward to in a few years time.
I guess you have difficulties with reading. I know I said VW, not Skoda. Not that Skoda is an insult, I’d take a Superb over this piece of rubbish any day.
Needless, I won’t waste any more of your time. I’d rather converse with those that have intellect. Don’t expect me to reply to your nonsense. It is obvious to everyone that that’s all it is.
The Commodore and Falcon are both great cars. However Holden invested $1billion in the Commodore. Although the exact figure was never released, Ford didn’t spend nearly as much money. Therefore Holden need to flog off more Commodores to recoup their costs. This needs to be considered when comparing sales.
In addition, the fact that Ford spent less money and carried over the old platform to produce a car that is at least equal with the Commodore is a great achievement.
holden spent $1b and delivered a new car.
for spent $800m on the FG AND $500m on the BA.
Thats $1.3b for a car with a 10 year old platform.
Personally I think the whole falcon v commy debate is pointless. Without the sales volume of exports all ford can ever do is loose hundreds of millions on their lower volume falcons.
It has no long term future.
It would be financial suicide for ford to build another ‘Australian’ falcon.
If you did some research commy, you would find that Ford didn’t leave much of the BA Platform behind in making the FG.
The FG carries a lot less of the BF than you think, and the VE carries a lot more of VZ than you think.
VE wasnt a totally new car, they carried over key elements such as motor and gearbox dont forget.
FG didnt carry over motors or boxes, it doesnt even wear the same suspension.
But heck, I wouldnt expect someone who posts with the name “Commy” to be so open minded.
Oh and while you are doing sums, did holden spend nothing on the BA equivalent VY???
Its simple……..a 3 litre engine should use less fuel in all operating conditions than a 4 litre…….and the Obama owned GM engine doesnt use less fuel in any operating cnditions than the 4 litre…….pathetic effort GM, pathetic.
Hang on a sec…didn’t the 3.0l use less fuel than the 4l Falcon in the Global Green Challenge?
Let’s see
Commodore Sportwagon 6.48 litre/100 kilometre
Ford Falcon 7.04 litre/100 kilometres
Holden Maloo Ute 7.74 litres/100 kilometres.
So, the 6.3 litre V8 HSV used only 0.7 litre/100 less than the Falcon’s 4l, which used 0.56 litres/100 more than the Commodore’s 3.0
But you said, and I quote, feel free to scroll up to double check: “the Obama owned GM engine doesnt use less fuel in any operating cnditions than the 4 litre”
Pathetic effort Ford, pathetic.
The green challenge was a total farce. There was nothing linked to real world driving conditions. It was a media stunt and the biggest disappointment was that CA didn’t call it for what it was. If a similar “challenge” was carried out in another domain, the journalists would have rightly called it to account.
As for real world driving, you are selectively reading the posts on this page.
Examples have all ready been posted which show the SIDI lacking against the I6.
Not that I’m surprised, I just hope you don’t lose that eye of yours, else you’ll be blind.
The SIDI is a move in the right direction. It’s just not enough.
Oh Simon, the Green Challenge was only a farce because the Falcon didn’t get near the 3.0′s consumption figure…if the Falcon had’ve recorded a better consumption figure than the 3.0 you’d be singing a different song, wouldn’t you?
Remove your blue oval tinted glasses my son
Not at all, in fact if Ford won I’d still be saying its a farce.
My friend a spade is a spade and that “challenge” had nothing linked to real world driving conditions.
Feel free to represent what was actually worthy about the green challenge. If you have a serious look at it I think you will find nothing worth mentioning.
Firstly, the I6 wasnt entered, The I6T was.
The contest although interesting, was a bit of humour really.
I mean for starters, the actual award was for best improved on combined figure.
I would have thought a “green challenge” would have focused on co3 emissions or lowest economy.
The first and 2nd place awarded vehicles proved to be actually the least green.
Oh yeah, and the green challenge certainly wasnt a real world test
But it does use less, according to a test that all manufacturers use. It uses 9.3. That’s less, isn’t it?
“Comparing the outgoing Omega to the new one is like comparing chalk and cheese”. Well, having driven a couple of the “new” Omegas” and SV6s as hire cars, I’d have to say that there must be very little difference between chalk and the cheese. The new Commodores with their SIDI engines have not corrected the design issues of the older car: simply poor build quality, poor handbrake design, fat ‘A’ pillar, wing mirrors far too small and they are generally, a lousy and noisy car to drive. As for the new 6 speed; what concerned me the most was that the cars I had couldn’t ‘make their minds up’ as to what gear they should be in, constantly switching between what appeared to be 4th and 5th at 60kms and then 5th and 6th at 100kms.
As for Falcons, a bit better, but still not the quality of the so called Japanese or Euro “trash”.
For once “badge blinded” Holden and Falcon supporters, think outside the square, there may even be a better world out there.
unlikely
people these fuel consumptions are done by independents not car makers, take it up with them.
Omega 7.8 seconds to 100km/h?, miss print right.
still. … a standard , cheap and currently OLD …. BA XT 2002-2003 4.0L port-injected DOHC VCT Falcon will beat this piece of crap with ease.
both BA/BF make 190kW/383Nm of torque.
BF only has an improved ECU which is packed in the same physical casing as the BA casing.
BFs ECU when the car is produced with 6speed ZF has slightly different tuning than a car with 4 speed …., yet power remains the same.
so a stock standard BA XT 2002-2005, BF 2005-2009 including Series III Wagon will beat this and match and in most instances beat 210kW version.
;)
4 speed auto Falcons have a 1st gear of 2.49 which is substantially tall …. with a final gear ratio of 3.23
still …. they manage 92km/h in 1st at 5800rpm while this rubbish Omega has already changed in to 3rd gear because its week and has no torque, not much power either
its power is in the high RPM range , there is not enough torque , its thrashy and noisy
give the 6 speed omegas gearbox to a falcon and keep the same 3.23 and it will do 6.4s o-100km/h.
and how do i know that.
i know this from personal experience
i owned a BA for 6 years, last year decided to give it more life….
gave its 4 speed auto a 3.91 diff , which gives a car 60km/h in 1st, 110 in 2nd, 160 in rd and 220 in 4th
the thing flies now , its power and torque and i timed it do 6.4s 0-100km/h.
and what does this omega do with short legs??? 8-9s 0-100km/h.
slow! ,
put it on a 4 speed falcon gearbox and diff and it will do 11s 0-100km/h with its overrated propaganda driven direct injected crap of an engine.
go holden go better, ha ha ha
you people probably don’t know, the thing is , a stock factory BF XT series 2, with a 6 speed auto is more fuel economical than FG XT with 5 or 6 speed and both omega 3.0 and 3.6 sidi. Not to mention one fact and that fact is that if you get a chance to get your hands on a very last barra230 with 6 speed, that v8 is a nudge more fuel efficient than its brother i6 4.0, most will agree with me that you can thank its 500nm of torque , drive one and you’ll sere how potent it is from idle rpm towards 4000rpm, and who races their cars on the streets when the speed limit is anywhere between 40 to 110km/h therefore 500nm from as low as 2500rpm peaking towards 3500rpm still holding 480nm at 4000rpm is all you need from a car, and yet you still have 474nm at just 1500rpm and zero latency or lag in engine response when you touch the accelerator pedal, i’ve compared it to a g6e turbo and the 5.4l 3v beats all engine so far all the way up to 6.2l 325kw hsv for throttle response and part throttle, yet it only has 230kw and 500nm , but all focuses in the lower rpm register below 4000 where it counts and where you need it.
I think that figure of 9.3 is worked out at 60% highway and 40% city driving. Maybe this review didnt touch freeway as much.
Oh my. Did you say Camry? It’s no better than the commodore and uses around the same fuel. The 3 large cars procuded in this country are all in the same league. That is outdated.
My neighbours own a current model camry and took it back 4 times regarding fuel consumption. In the end it was found to be normal. After owning the last (lighter model) they are horrified at how thirsty it is.
Toyota are working on a fix because it is know to many that the Arion is more economical. A little embarrassing when you are said to be a world leader but your four uses more than your six.
My 40k would be spent on a KIA Sorrento diesel. Heaps better economy. Heaps better interior. Heaps better looking.
Heaps better.
I wonder if Holden are secretly working to downsize the commodore and go FWD. 4 years between facelifts seems very odd to me. Expect a major shift in design with the new vehicle when it arrives and something similar from Ford. There has already been talk of an FWD Falcon.
The savior for the Commodore is the export market at the moment. How ford are surviving on Falcon’s woeful sales is anyone’s guess.
In reality, the old model low tech Falcon is the same size and uses more fuel…what planet are you from?
Oh sorry I forgot…Uranus
The flow on effect of base models rising in price is that the others (Calais, SS-V’s and HSV’s also rise.
Commodore SS used to compete with WRX on price – no more
Way back in the VN days, I remember that HSV brought out a new cheapie model called the “Clubsport”. Yours for only $38K.
I honestly wonder if Holden can keep incrementally increasing prices like this. Wether or not you like falcadores, is anyone really going to pay 50K onroad for a base model?
Inflation.
Plus the Clubsport name if I’m correct started with the VR, VN’s were called SV5000′s and cost a bomb.
Correct
Hi Real Car fanantic,
I checked redbook as I wasn’t 100% sure on the exact stats for this…
Yep,
1990 Holden Special Vehicles SV Clubsport VN (Jul)
$33,620 brand new
and 19.5 years later:
2009 Holden Special Vehicles Clubsport R8 E Series
65,320 brand new
Excluding the (HSV GXP which is about to be released), HSV have almost doubled their prices in the last 20 years for their base model.
Maybe thats why they are bringing out the GXP? were they getting too expensive for their target market?
Clubby started with the VN – 180kW
Whatefa,
3.0L SIDI will only claim its 9.3L/100km consumption if cruising up a highway. (As quoted by Holden).
Start working it harder than that with Towing, up hill driving, revving under load and it will consume more fuel and works harder to shift its weight in comparison to the Falcon I6 as it needs to rev harder to deliver max torque.
Combined Fuel Consumption claimed by Holden is far closer to the Falcon 4.0L and Holden’s Consumption claims have historically been very optimistic.
“Old model”…..
Don’t get that one eye of yours damaged will you?
Wrong…vn clubsports do exist….but thats way off the topic anyway
wrong also….9.3l/100klm is a combined fuel usage (ADR).
uses much less fuel on the freeway….how do you think it made it from melb to syd on one tank (900klm)????
So will most other engines. I accept the Ford 6 is very good for all the towing and uphill battles, but we should be comparing the 3.6 SIDI and the Ford 6. Much better competition.
I drove one yesterday 300kms and got 8.3(combined)…
I think other manufacturers should do the Sydney to Melbourne run, that would put the wind up Holden.
Funny thing is the commodores in the VT era also achieved that consumption, and truthfully too
You’ll find that pretty much every car on the planet has doubled in price in the past 20 years.
actually I think its 40% hwy 60% city……..Yes??/No???
And house prices have more than doubled.
I think you’ll find the rise in car prices has been reasonable by comparison, especially given the amount of improvements in a 2010 car compared to a 1990 car (whereas a house will have gone up massively in price with no improvements at all!)
Hung nice to see a good post.
No, always 60 percent country
Car price increases reasonable versus a house??
well not really when you consider they also depreciate more than they did 20 years ago.
A 4 year old commodore or falcon is about the same dollar wise as it was 20 years ago.
You will at least get your money back (and some) on a house.
Houses have improved over the years, you obviously just dont know anything about them.
Excuses for house price increases over 20 years…….
Inclusion of Air conditioning
Insulation is now mandatory
Water tanks are now mandatory
Waterproofing of wet areas is now mandatory
Termite barriers are now mandatory
New energy efficiency requirements mean you hotwater system is at least 5 times the price it once was
More up market products are now being used for Kitchens, Bathrooms and even door handles
price of materials increase
Price of builders vehicles increase = overheads increase
Also dont forget the inclusion of GST!!!!!
I could probably go on for a lot longer,
But I think Ive already proved how shallow your comment is
I disagree – a new house in 2010 is much better than one in 1990. Houses are much larger today, more modern and spacious, more energy efficient and have more modern conveniences. Sounds alot like cars doesn’t it?
True that Toyota threw a cat among the pigeons.
True that It has taken Ford and Holden a long time to catch up, and I’m not sure the Commodore has caught up. Its still slower.
For that Toyota I am grateful. As for anything else they have done, I’m not impressed with white goods.
Personality isn’t an option on any Toyota.
Not since the GT4 or Supra.
Yep says a great deal when the buying public (fleets included) have been giving it a wide berth. How many have they sold this year? The general public can actually see that although it is 0.6 of a litre more economical than an XT Falcon it is also smaller (particularly in shoulder room) of similar build quality (flame away those that will but the truth is out there), and far from as interesting / enjoyable to drive. If you want to throw in the other duty that a lot of these large cars are required to do (how many are sold with towbars??) then the Aurion is well and truly behind the game.
It’s not a bad car for just transport, but the amount you spend in front tyres (of particular interest to Taxi and Police fleets) and things like real world turning circle and running costs (when do you do cam belts etc) then you begin to understand the lackluster sales of this “game changer”
Ford isn’t surviving on Falcon sales. They sell other cars remember?
There has been speculation about Holden gradually making the Commodore more compact over the past couple of years…
However; there is very little likelihood of Holden making the Commodore FWD when its already been decided by Detroit that they are going to have to continue using the Zeta platform for at least the next 6 years.
Why would they when its still the best selling passenger car in Australia and has been for well over the past decade?
Not only that but there will always be those who prefer RWD.. I mean could you imagine what would happen if Porsche decided to make the GT-3 FWD or BMW made a FWD M3…?
I think what Andrew is trying to say is a house is an investment, we pay it off and hopefully after 25 years we own it. After said 25 years the house whether renovated or not is worth alot more to sell than it was 25 years ago ( I’m talking tha same house by the way). A car on the other hand losses value, sure buying a new car becomes more expensive as does buying a new house, but buying an older home also attracts price rises, not so with older cars in most cases.
And the percentages are in favour of the up-spec models with more profit margin
Thats the first angle I was hitting,
The main point of my example was to knock on the head the myth that a 1990 house hasnt improved over the 20 years that has passed to bring us to today.
A 1990 house has improved greatly over 20 years to justify its price rise just as much as a vehicle has improved/developed over the last 20.
Oh and it was in direct reply to someone, but replys are just coming up willy nilly round here, perhaps why it sounded left field to others
I don’t really agree with that as the Falcon XT is the competitor to the Omega. The Omega uses the 3.0L engine and the XT uses the same engine as all the Falcons. You need to compare the equivalent models. Omega-XT. Berlina-G6 and Calais-G6E.
Wheels and Drive have both done comparison tests and if I recall correctly, they have showed that the Falcon has hardly any difference in consumption compared to the two Commodore engines, perhaps even slightly better. If someone can dig out the actual figures, it would be good to see them. Remembering of course that the Ford has a bigger engine, but a lot more torque, so can pull a higher gear and still have better performance.
Still too many variables i.e traffic flow(major accident), head winds, ambient temperatures etc.