Zz Zz Zz Zz = tad ugly and bland. Not bad sort of?

I’m waiting on the roadtests, but I think this thing will eat Liberty GTs and Mazda 6 MPS for breakfast.

It’ll get eaten by a Commodore SS-V though.

Certainly looks the part though, and this car will be a brilliant halo car for Toyota.

Any truth to the rumour the trd corolla will have the aurion v6??

Honestly are you people for real, the same people complain of WRX and we come to this and ????. To vastly ramp up the style and tone off the Camry / Aurion look it needs to go further!!!!!!! FACT

PROBLEM AREAS HAVEN’T ADDRESSED –

1. grille way too traditional and does not look aggressive enough on grille (this looks too bland and change here would lift the style but it has to look correct)

2. headlights should be blacked out surrounding silver actual light like in second last model Astra and earlier Mazda 6′s

3. around lower driving lights there should be horizontal grille type vents (from actual light facing inwards

4. sides of car are virtually same as last model and are too predictably slab sided

5. bonnet should have a raised crease down the middle

6. front guards should have aesthetic cooling slots located behind wheel (Tiburon and Kombidore)

Yep adam – the article 24/5 on this site raised the possibility – would be good i reckon with the awd

Seriously does anyone on this website have an inkling about design themes??? Me thinks NO WAY!!!

7. THIS CAR WHILST NICE IS A PISS POOR EFFORT… flare guards over wheels a bit (these look sporty). Isn’t it funny that the Kombidore has them all the way down to the base model, yet the sporty TRD Aurion does NOT and this would help tone down the slab side like earlier Camry’s (second last model) and hint of Magna some 20yrs ago??? The flares would be done in metal and size could be worked out so not too big on car and to blend in nicely with overall design theme.

Roberto…

As i said the details are too fussy, an older FPV or current HSV look cleaner and less cluttered design wise compared to this Toyota.
Less is sometimes in more in design, this is a good example…

ADAM – agree less is sometimes more and would have to do computer rendering and modelling as NOT every one of my points would gel (just a case of simply tweaking it). MUST AGREE IT HAS TO BE ABOVE THE PILE OF CRAP DISHED OUT BY THE INFANT NEWCOMER ‘TRD’

ok…ignore the last comment i made!

SUGGESTIONS IN THE MELTING POT OTHER THAN ADAM???? OR WE JUST ALL WHINGE THAT THIS IS CRAP AND THAT IS NO GOOD = YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL REACTIONARY BUT NO IDEA ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.

THANKS ADAM!!!!!

jdm102 – mate get a life and get it real. I LIKE THE CAR YOU IMBECILE BUT IT IS STILL LACKING. Quality is not an issue. If your happy with that design you are a useless headbutt and accept steady as she goes! First test you get too you go overboard you useless pile of monkey poo and you don’t read the facts (I like it but has to be changed as no model differenatiation as with Holden and HSV). Gee mate you a braindead turkey Hobo!

jdm102 = Ummm when have TRD had a car previous to this one on the AUSSIE MARKET Mr Hobo Dill ???? DER, Homer Simpson… HELLO I KNOW TRD IS ON THE WORLDSTAGE, AND THAT IS WHY DESIGN SHOULD OF BEEN BETTER & DIFFERENT FROM ITS LESSER SIBLINGS (not quality).

Mate keep it simple and have a great day!!! Ciao

Designs are limited to personal taste only. I reckon this TRD Aurion package is very sweet and the design to me is appealing. Infact, because it is differant it really does stand out from the crowd and i beg to differ that if one of these cars drove past, any of you wouldn’t stop to look.

Some love the HSV designs others hate it. Some admire the FPV designs others down it. Some will find the TRD Aurion pleasing yet others not.

Until recently, TRD has had no involvemnet in Australia but thier motorsport hertage is quite extensive. Because of them Toyota is now involved with NASCAR (and already won in thier debut season), American Truck racing (winning all the time), Indy Racing (have acheived respectful results including Podiums), dominated WRC for years and now unbeatable in the ARC with Simon Evans and Neil Bates at the helm. This does not take into account Japanese form of motorsport like Super GT (that Toyota won this year) and of coarse appearances in such races like Le Mans etc.

Don’t allow past non-involvment in this country underestimate your expectations. I acknowledge they have an uphill battle to fight but Toyota nor TRD has never been shy of a fight and considering thier extensive resources they have proven to be able to challenge the best of them.

I agree with an earlier statement above, the TRD Aurion is the first of the package destined for our motor industry and in partnership with some of the Lexus Performance Vehicles sson to arrive, i reserve little no-doubt that this will be a postive step for the brand downunder

DANNY TUCKER… Your comment about fight and Toyota not shying away rings true, you can have the most powerful men controlling business but if the car does not look correct or too reserved, then they get judged on it and the market judges by whether to buy or not. This is why Holden offer a huge bonus package as free on Commodore. My point is it doesn’t require $$$ to state that there is not enough street style aggressive savvy to the vehicle and for all intentional purposes not enough model differentiation (just the usual grilly, air intake on bottom of front bumper and bottom of rear bumper! THATS IT. IT CAN BE SPRUIKED ALL DAY ABOUT WHETHER IT WILL SELL TOO WELL, I DON’T THINK SO AS TOO SAME AS AURION ASIDE FROM WAY TOO MINOR CHANGES LISTED HERE! FIGHT OR NO FIGHT, WORDS MEAN NOTHING IT IS WHETHER IT IS PURCHASED HEAPS BY THE PUBLIC!!!

HEY HUMDRUM HOBO 351XT headbutt, do you have your seatbelt on during the day or you need a straightjacket me thinks.

Roberto, I’m sure your enthusiasm is well founded but the insults, name calling and childish comments on this and other articles just diminish your arguement.

We all appreciate others opinions and passion for all things automotive but these can be shared far more constructively if the insults are left out.

Peace.

And as for talk of torque steer, lies. Wait till a review. I agree with one of the posters, given this wont sell as well as HSV etc it will be unique, and it also looks unique. Not only that but it also looks unique, something like a FPV looks very similar to other Falcons.

About the car, I like it. However, I can see many people who consider this car also looking at the cheaper XR6T, which has better performance but has its flaws. Once the new Falcon arrives, hopefully with the build quality, etc improved, the XR6T should be a much better buy than the S3500. The SL3500 would have a slighty different market due to the extra luxury items offered.

ALL OF YOU Lift the bar and comment… not just on this vehicle but all vehicles. As I said get the testosterone out of it and suggest design changes or the like. To say IT LOOKS BIT COMMODORISH, ITS OK is too simple. Others suggest it looks bland, too average; again too simple (suggest ways to improve it if too Commodorish). Yet you people are reactionary as you only comment when car visible and do not pass comment on how to improve design. Shock me and comment. I just get bit peeved that most of you just spout on about how it looks but not a comment realistically how to improve it.

jbot… mate I just continue the response as previosly left out of last message, do not insult me and worry about yourself. Mate how old are you, I would love to meet such a basic person and sort it out; I do not need to justify anything to you as your comment is too mediocre to comment on.

how bout everyone like just ‘calm’ down?

let Alborz do the review and see what he says k.

fullstop.

Roberto,
personally im more interested in the cars perfomance than how it looks. sorry i didn’t do a degree in art to give a critcal opinion on every aspect of its design.
I live in darwin so putting 98 ron petrol in every week at $1.70 a litre can be worrying.
as far as driveline goes, that 6-speed auto is absolutley brilliant. Better I think than the ZF gearbox, and im a ford fan.
lets keep the comments on cars not some dribble about sawdust in ears?

351XT – couldnt agree more. So leave your comments out about me drinking to start with when irrelevant and I never thought I asked much than to ask (without a degree so do not appreciate your – comment AGAIN!) on how it could be improved as yes it is just a Camry with great interior and great motor and fairly decent outside!

As I said at start I do like the car but pedestrian as not hugely aggressive aside from the Aurion in the sytle in my opinion should be targetted at! Looks like a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing.

Foggy…

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Question:
Has the TRD Aurion’s 0-100 time actually been tested by any reputable magazine / publication yet?

Or is this a case of a factory quoted time which is a little optimistic? (HSV QUOTED 0-100 time of 4.99s anyone??)

It will be good to see a review and some reputable testing no doubt. Looking forward to it!

Cheers,
Ross

no torque in it 400nm thats pitaful the standard falcon 6 nearly has more (383nm) and fwd sucks only good on little cars

Roberto, tell me what Toyota isn’t purchased in numbers by the public.

Ford has been selling the Falcon by that name in Australia for inexcess of 40 years while the name Commodore has been familiar since ’78/’79. This is a considerable amount of time to establish market (private and Fleet)and each has also been active in weekend advertising (Motorsport). Apart from that, Holden and Ford have also offered so called ‘Halo’ cars to further boost thier image.

The Aurion however has been able to achieve respectful sales within less then a year of being on sale without any advertising from Motorsport and until yesterday void of a’halo’ approach aswell. Considering all the alternatives, Toyota has been able to achieve respectful results for the Aurion and i can only see that improving as time lapses.

And ‘here here’ to the Camry, it know has longer legs then the typical Commodore and Falcon and that would have to be one of the most embarrassing modern day accomplishes by such a humble animal. It shows that the Camry has progressed further then the Commodore and Falcon and going by many recent results, even the once frowned upon Hyundai has progressed further with thier quality and reliability then Holden and Ford.

WHAT THE… “Roberto, tell me what Toyota isn’t purchased in numbers by the public” is irrelevant. That answer is obvious! What Iam saying is the car could do more with an aggressive look to make it more different from the standard Aurion range then just front bumper bar at bottom, grille, rear bumper bar at bottom. Mate I like the Aurion as nice car (better then Commodore and Falcon and inside and quality is first rate). But to step up to a TRD Aurion with this look (not huge gap over standard Aurion for look) and not AWD is not crash hot to steal sales off Ford and Holden as no threat and not the same league for looks. Iam not disputing the success of Camry and Aurion, but this being some type of cult car with that look is ????????? TIME WILL TELL BUT IT WILL SELL IN OK TO START AND THEN TRICKLE LESS MONTH IN MONTH OUT.

JOSH yes I went too far, FACT is have a look at comment what led to it. All I said to start with was forget the bagging, like this TRD Aurion is nice, but what SUGGESTED improvements could anyone envisage if people say it is boring. You must admit it does look tad boring and bland. I put a valid question on this topic on suggested improvements (not everyone of them) to see what response. I did this at 7.37am I think and nobody really gave response other then attack car or like it (which happens with all cars) with not much comment on suggested improvements. As I like the Aurion, I feel it is not a great effort for design!

Cost way too much $$$

There’s a lot of good metal out there for the same price.

$56990 is extremely expensive for what it is; they didn’t convert it to AWD and yet the base model TRD is $18000+ more than the SX6. As nice as it looks, is the $18000+ premium over a SX6 really worth the money.

This is Toyota at its best. This car is going to steal a few sales from HSV/FPV another few from GT/MPS6 and it is a car that covers two different market segments. They even managed to sell some to the government (Highway Pursuit Cars) previously only reserved for Holden/Ford. In terms of making sales and marketing they are just brilliant. The new TRD hilux will add another option to the huge ute market. They already can’t meet demand for Hilux. Considering most people use them around town TRD Hilux should sell well. And then TRD Corolla stealing sales from the hot hatch market. Brilliant…
This car isn’t going to dominate the market segment but it will be enough for people who want Toyota quality and reliability over better performance.

QUOTE = $56990 is extremely expensive for what it is; they didn’t convert it to AWD and yet the base model TRD is $18000+ more than the SX6. As nice as it looks, is the $18000+ premium over a SX6 really worth the money.

I think its alittle higher then it should be, but not ‘extremely expensive’. Look at the Evo, its comes from the Lancer which is what like $25k yet its $70k (the new one). Now yes its had alot more done to it but asking $11k more for the TRD given its also had more things done (both what you can see and UNDER THE SKIN) its not that out their in terms of price!

the biggest problem this TRD faces is image/recognition/feel and the biggest of those is DESIRE!!! oh and another big thing is heritage

people buy sports cars as something they desire or cause they are a pin-up car or for a deep heritage. look back at any sports car and whether it a masserati, GT, Monaro, ferrari, or porsche they are all deep in heritage and many people buy them just because of that. even if the TRD handled better or smoked a typhoon or GTS it would still face the same struggle…….heritage and desire….

i dont know how to describe the looks but the word too fussy that i read earlier sums it up quite alright. it looks too happy and cudly and needs more aggression to be a sports car and definately not enough differentiation.

price?????? yep a bit expensive like so mant people are saying is true look at what else you can get for less than that. i dont know how they could price the base aurion competitivly but the pricing on this one at $12 more than a XR6T???????????

also a TRD Hilux??? what the???
that would be even worse as far as pricing goes. my mate just bought a base model 4X4 duel cab hilux in feb i think it was, and it set him back $50k odd (i think). now that would mean the TRD hilux would be near $80K!!!! and for what??? something that cant handle to save itself?
why would you sport up a 4X4 hilux you got to be kidding. they are a 4X4 for gods sake!!!

Quote (Adam)- The quoted performace so far is impressive, but the extra power they have pulled out of the engine itself seems a little average.

I can remember reading that Toyota engineers said that 200kw from that engine was right at the sweet spot for it and they have struggled to adequately get more power without it becoming a thrasher. It’s an extremely smooth and efficent engine that wasn’t really designed to be performance enhanced from the start.

I would have liked to have seen around the 260kw/450Nm mark but I don’t think the engine would allow that.

^

Mate no offence but shut up, Im not comparing it to the Evo so keep your pants on… It was just a very valid example of a car which has a lower spec’d model. And for prices I think the Evo in the past was decent at around $55k or so but the new one is set to be $70k or around that, now yes it can match it with cars double its price in terms of performance but at the end of the day for mines it still looks like a Lancer and its interior is still ordinary for $70k. The TRD Aurion is a different kettle of fish, a completely different market to even the XR6T… its up against the Libert GT afterall (which arguably is better overall but one thing that appeals to me with the Aurion is that its unique).

As for the rest, I dont know how people are faulting its looks for example, I like it alot… very unique. Performance wise if the stated 0-100km/h is in fact 6.1seconds then you cant really complain, especially when you had bogans stating previously that would be an impossible figure and that high 6s was more likely!!!!

Im awaitng a review to finally end this, if its handles decent then I would say its price tag isnt that far fetched, only $12k more then an XR6T yet performans just as well and has alot more features.

Off topic – Sorry.

Does anybody know what the braked towing capacity for the new Kluger is? The old model was equivalent to a 4cyl FWD. Toyota claim it to be a contender to the Territory, and marketing trumpets any little advantage over the Territory, but I need to tow, and not even my local Toyota dealer can tell me – what’s the bog secret???

On Topic: Personally I think the styling has been copied too much from the HSV range, it lacks individuality and balance somewhat. The whole thing is kinda an oxymoron!
In the real world I think the electronics, required because of FWD, will kill the power before it gets to the ground, and affect real world perfomance. How much of the 241kw can it actually use. If I was in this market I would be heading down the Liberty path.

Oh and btw I think in terms of handling the TRD Aurion will benefit ALOT from the 245 tyres… the normal Aurion only has 215s which are way to small for a car with its power and torque. I think you will find the wider tyres not only help cornering but mean those nannies dont have to kick in as early or at least given its power increase only kick in at the same time as the regular Aurion which is hardly an issue.

Paul, handling is exactly what I was implying. Due to torque steer, the electronics will be working overtime to reduce power to the wheels through the twisty stuff. I still think that the Liberty GT is a far better overall package, mainly because it’s starting from a much superior base product (ie Liberty V Aurion). BTW our family’s current 2nd car is a Liberty – traded the V6 Vienta (Camry), never looked back, not in the same class.

However I need to tow a 2000kg caravan and Toyota can’t (or won’t) tell me if a Kluger will do it. I want something with some refinement, at a reasonable price, the short list is Kluger or Territory as the budget doesn’t stretch to German marques, but it would appear that the Kluger falls short somewhat.

***News flash*** Finally details are on Toyota’s website: 2000kg – not enough!! Territory here we come!

Crap… All the formatting was lost in the above post!! I hope you can still understand what I was explaining though.

Cheers,

Ross

can someone tell me what the difference between power lost driving to front wheels VS power lost driving to rears??
it cant be that much, cause for round figures say, the XR6T and the TRD put out the same power (4kw difference) so how come being FWD and being meant to lose a hell of a lot less power to the front wheels how come the TRD still wont match the XR6 times?

thanks for pointing the grip thing out ross, i think a lot of people forget about forces. they are important for cornering and acceleration and the gereral control of a vehicle at speeds.

paul, i dont think adding 245′s to the front of a car will help too much with handling. for one when you turn the wheels run on the edge of the tyre (chamber) meaning the extra surface area doesnt effect anything. also if you accelerate in a FWD whilst turning it means you dont have as much surface area on the road for when it is beneficial (acceleration).
and you say you get more for $12k extra over the XR6T….. well i bloody hope so but i like most people i think fail to see exactlly what you do get to justify the whole extra $12k it asks.
and people who are serious about performance would buy the XR6T for $12k less, spend $5k on it and walk away with a kick arse 300kw under the bonnet in a vehicle that is more than capable of handling that

Andrew… I have in past vehicles increased tyre diameter and it has had a profound effect with less wheel spin and its common sense handling will improve

they should have come up with AWD in the first place afterall the competion its aiming at come with AWD.

Yes but it is like they have brains… they would be more inclined Id imagined to bring out the AWD Corolla which already exists rather then wasting money on an AWD sedan which has a tiny market.

QUOTE = The V6 Camry is already a lead tipped arrow. Putting 240kw’s through a underdone chassis that struggles with much less is laughable.

Current Aurion already a lead tipped arrow lol… I would be reserving my attack of the TRDs handling till a review has been done. The regular Aurion has handled its 200kw effectively enough I dont see the TRD being any different… the fact that the Queensland police have taken to it even in light of any discounts proves it musnt handle all that bad aye

It’s got a real Tuner’s look to it… I like it, but… there’s just something off about it. And I can’t put my finger on what. Oh wait I know! WHY IS THERE NO MANUAL!? AND WHY IS IT FWD!?

Nice looking car, but what the!?

I drive the 200kw Aurion sportivo everyday, i also drive the very lateset commodores and falcons and let me tell you the aurion wins at every level…..please toyota bring on a V8.

- Problem 1: No manual
- Problem 2: FWD
- Problem 3: Can’t turn off the traction control
- Problem 4: Far too many ‘better’ cars for the money
- Problem 3: Toyota quality not what it used to be
- Problem 4: Toyota = old mans car
- Problem 5: The car is just plain ugly (in real life)

This car makes me sick – sick in the fact that here in the States we get one ugly, boring Camry. The Aurion is one fine automobile (compared to US Camry) – I am sure that it would be a blast to drive. I you all think that the Aurion is bland just look at ours.
Speaking of Aussie cars I wish we would get the BIG Holden here in the states – that is also a fine car that makes our Buicks look like junk. I guess I will just have to still with my Volvo…….

What’s wrong with FWD? I love my ’89 FWD camry, it’s the bomb (note: not a bomb). Moving on… i think this car will help toyota reach new heights, along with the standard aurion. The only downside to me is…if your going to make a turbo charged car, why not have a manual? If ever a driver wants manual, it’s in a sports car

this car isnt aimed at BOGAN commodore or falcon drivers.

its SUPPOSED to be understated.

Its not a HSV mid life crisis mobile! youll find doctors, and real estate agents in these, not boy racer kids with too much money.

Also, the interior NAILS anything falcodorewrxevoboys are used to.

immagine the look on some p plate kids pimply vt commodore driving face when his ass is handed to him by a grandad looking toyota…. PRICELESS

It’s a nice thing to know Toyota are reconsidering performance cars yet again. I hope to see a TRD Corolla soon, with more power and independent rear suspension. At least now the Aurion looks attractive. I actually prefer the Camry’s front and rear ends. The Camry we have back from where I came from has Aurion nose and tail.

If TRD models prove to be successful, maybe it’s about time they resurrect their sports cars.

Despite the fact that the Aurion has been on sale for less then a year while the Commodore and Falcon have been selling under those name plates for many generations, the Aurion is slowly but surely establishing itself quite a reputation.

Todate it has actually won a number of rewards including ‘Car of the Year’ from independants like NRMA/RAC, but it also recently outclassed the VE in the Australian Crash Testing scoring a respectable 30/37 compared to Holdens 27/37.

It is clear that the Aurion is also of high quality, refinement, well packaged with impressive performnace although more attention can be employed with it’s handling. It has recieved no recalls to date unlike the Commodore ( 3 – and now the battery draining issue) while WHEELS just tried to defend it awarding the VE Car Of The Year when it just handed the Aurion two GOLD STAR AWARDS against the Holden. Infact, the Aurion actually convincingly outclassed the VE by upto 10 points.

The TRD Aurion has now arrived and as i just mentioned above, i have not read a bad review yet and as a whole package the car actually has quite a bit of credentials. The TRD offering is also sure to add greater recognition as time passes so inconclusion… i believe we will be seeing alot more of the Aurion in the years to follow.

Obviously all the Aurion (Re-badged Camry) lovers here have never actually sat in one. The seating is that thin, the base of the seat cuts in to your legs, & leaves a mark. V6 Camry never sold, so they did a name change. As for no recalls, there was actually an article released last year stating that Toyota only listed complete recalls, where as Holden, Ford & Mazda released ALL recalls on the website. Don’t be fooled, it’ll come.

1. OMG the seat isnt quite as supportive as others, forget every other factor it trumps the competition in like features because its seats aernt as good as the others…. forgetting the TRD gets completely new seats. As for the recall thing, I remember someone providing a link to a site where people post up their issues, so no Toyota meddling with it…. and guess what, you see the pages filled with Ford and Holden and hardly any problems with Toyotas. This supports the MANY customer surveys which have also come to such a conclusion.

2. Shape doesnt lend itself to a hotted up version… I have asked a few friends who aernt Toyota fans and they have said the TRD Aurion looks HOT. Ther regular Aurion also looks ok, its biggest let down is the rims, very bland… but it looks good front on. Personally I think the VE looks to basic front on, there is something about it, just dont like it.

PAUL being a Falcon fan I feel the Commodore is spot on and does not look funny at all aside from rear tailights and big wheel arches on rear that are visible too much down to bottom of rear bumper. It looks spot on front on and that is why it sells. The Aurion does not look that severe spot on and lacks some bite as no flares and not as aggressive at front as Commodore topend hot cars. The TRD Aurion looks like a sheep in wolfs clothing, whereas the Holden equivalent have purpose and bite to the style. The TRD Aurion will sell but third fiddle behind Holden and Ford.

Judging by the sales statistics, Holden and Ford are playing second/third fiddle to Toyota.

The TRD Aurion is sure to establish it’s own market.

It also appears that the more critism that is passed in Toyota’s direction the more powerful they become.

I find the TRD Aurion very pleasing and so have the variuos reviews

Congrats Toyota Australia, i like your product.

Dingo to Earth – no it is not but thier combined sales comfortably out sell that of the Falcon and most certainly closing the gap on the Commodore.

Regardless, all th extra advertising with weekend motorsport IS NOT resulting in a convincing sales success of the Falcon/Commodore as against the Camry/Aurion…. is it !!

The Aurion has been on sale in Australia for less then a year yet it is slowly but surely establishing itself a very convincing position against the Commodore and Falcon of which have the advantage of being on sale for many generations.

Mate what planet is your comment Holden and Ford are behind Toyota… that is gobbledeegook gibberish. FACT, HSV outsell TRD Aurion and numbers won’t grow and only time will tell. If petrol prices spike upwards then yes maybe. As for straight design and look, the TRD Aurion is 5 rungs below ladder of HSV and Ford equivalent as does not look aggressive enough as looks Clark Kentish with the overkill front bottom air intake. Sure looks good, yes I admit but it will not have the panache of HSV and if it was a photo finish between HSV and TRD… TRD not even out of the gates mate.

Dingo.

Go back to last years judging of Wheels car of the Year, which VE won, & you will see the wright up from all the judges in regards to seating & interior comfort on the Camry/Aurion. They all bagged it, That’s right they all bagged it, no leg room in the back. I drive over 100K klms a year, so seating is important to me thank you.

Paul is obviously short for some Indian or Asian name & you should return behind the counter of your petrol station, because you appear to be from Toyota land.

Toyota is number 1, yes you are both correct, but lets keep in mind, they are the biggest provider of rental cars, government cars & any other fleet company that’s prepared to accept cheap trolley’s with a guard around them.

Let’s not forget those statistics, include buses, 4wds, trucks & anything else that is road registered for eg FORKLIFTS!!!

Now go & pump petrol, as I’m sick of waiting in the queue & no I do not want 2 mars bars for only an extra 50cents!!!!!!!!!

Mate how racist are you!!! And Im European twit, not Asian… Toyota are superior, that is the basis behind my support, not race. As for your fleet argument…. and what do you think makes the Commodore half viable? 80% of its sales are to fleets, similar figure for the Falcon… on the other hand Toyotas biggest fleet seller the Corolla only sells like 60% to Fleets. Its because they offer a greater range yes, but at the end of the day the fact that most of their cars are majority private buyers shows how superior their products are… while Falcon and Commodore rely on fleets which as you put correctly, couldnt care what their buying!!!!

“Paul is obviously short for some Indian or Asian name & you should return behind the counter of your petrol station, because you appear to be from Toyota land.”

So I assume GK must be a bogan

paul,
i dont know how you can say the TRD looks more aggressive than a FPV. for 1 the TRD isnt showing any teeth at the front. to be aggressive its mouth needs to be wide open meaning a much bigger grill like the FPV’s do have. the front on the TRD looks too cudly and the body lines steming from the grill are done in a way that make them look like wrinkles. just too busy at the front toyota, sorry.

and who ever it was (dingo i think) that said (in relation to brake fade on hsv’s) they would rather torque steer into a pole (with an aurion) rather than brake fade into the rear end of another car??????? you are screwed either way how can you say one is better than the other?

what sort of consumer cares about sales?? really?? it is just bragging rights for the manufacturer. actually some years back i remember toyota and holden pre registering cars so they would boost their sales figures on paper even though they had no buyers. who cares if the car you are driving is the number one seller? does it mean it is better?? no.
i do drive a number one seller (falcon ute)but that status does nothing for me. if it were 5th top seller i would have still bought it. sales count for nothing (well almost).

there is a hell of a lot of bias going on here. the toyotas have their quality issues some of which i had outlined before in another post in responce to dingo as i know of problems he should be familiar with but he tippy toes over it. holden aint perfect, ford aint perfect, and yes good ol toyota aint perfect. hey honda arent either and they are renowned for quality.

The TRD Aurion is very pleasing to look at. It has it’s own rightful character of which is considerably different to that of Holden and Ford offerings and is sure to appeal to many potential buyers in Oz.

The agression of the TRD is not over done yet has a graceful presance while all the reports i have read strongly indicate that it is a pleasure to drive.

TRD Oz is tackling a different front with this car and by all indications, it convincingly appears that the tiny but competant local TRD outfit has argueable produced the most potent, dynamic and driveable FWD vehicle that can be purchased anywhere in the world and if that proves to be the case then a big BRAVO ZULU to Toyota.

LOOKS GOOD.

Yeah hope so Andrew M and Iam hoping they get it right this time. They had model differentiation at Holden last model and Ford sat on it keeping it bit less intense and similar.

Pilbara Coal Miner… as for the TRD if you are happy with that being a great car maybe you should get a older Daewoo Espero on hot it up and be seen at the local Video Ezy store on Friday

yeah roberto, i think ford got a bit scared of being a bit different after how the AU hurt sales for being just that….different.
the only fault with the BA design is that ford have sat on it for too long. they should have put the boot in again much sooner than 2008 to keep people going wow like they did in 2002. i dont think it is fair to say the current design looks outdated. it is just too familiar. if people have never seen the current design and it were released tomorrow todays design would look more than the part.
ford turn your models over quicker like holden does and watch your sales resurect again. people need a reason to upgrade. make them feel like their car is out of date like holden does and they will upgrade sooner

Laughing Dingo & Pilbara Coal Miner… better get out from the behind the bushes and forget about donuts and get a grip of reality as what Iam pointing out to you you 2 separate simpletons is the Daewoo Espero (can you remember these cars, get the case of beers out of your hands and remember back some 10+ years ago when Daewoo was NOT Holden… I know that will send you to be really confused) is about slab sided as the pedestrian TRD Aurion with a Supercheap air intake and grill wacked on the front in terms of balls and all junior kindergarten style. Iam comparing the Espero to the Aurion in terms of being a hotted up L Plater of a car lined up against the FPV and HRT.

Pilbara Coal Miner… as for you old boy, get your tweed cardigan on and step out in tacky style and play in the sand pit with your TRD Aurion and let the likes of HRT and FPV show you the game of aggresive sports stylish cars.

Mate, gee honestly fairdinkum, give yourselves uppercuts

Haha, all this hot air over a Toyota. Who bloody cares, Toyota Australia is a passionless whitegoods retailer. The sooner Toyota and Mitsubishi understand that Australians can’t look past the Falcadores for large family cars the better off they will be. Why bother pouring money into something like the Aurion TRD when my 14 year old cat can see it will be a sales disaster.

Liam spot on mate. Toyota should do itself a favour and bring back cars which were hot like the MR2 (which one model at time was very hot) and Celica which in earlier forms (around time of GT4 4WD) were unreal and still today many years later look not out of place one tiny bit.

Well Paul considering the Aurion’s engine is a 3.5litre supercharger, 400Nm doesn’t sound that impressive. The Mazda MPS is just 20Nm short, yet has fewer cylinders and a much lower displacement.

Agree with Myke.

Paul… you can go on how you want, nothing will elude that is an Aurion with a Supercheap type air intake and grille wacked onto Aurion car. If you elude that it looks nice and hot when lined up against a HRT car you are in the minority and this will reflect in sales which should be number 3 behind HRT and FPR!

Paul, mate I do not have something stuck up one car makers exhaust pipe like you. It is closet chardonnay people like you who state silly things like the Commodore is unrefined in its engine or Toyota is more quality then others. You are so self centred around one car maker and Iam not and the sooner you live in the real world with variety the better.

Laughing Dingo. You must share the exhaust pipe with other Toyota die hard! Mate you deadset are so up yourself that I have seen more brains in the bottom of fishponds you brain cell of a halfwit. Unlike your obsession with one car maker, Iam a Ford fan who states other car makers I like. The Aurion is nice as but to lift it to the level of supercharged motor with the mild mannered Clark Kent nerdish outside look that is 1% above base Aurion model is stupid and it is people like you with a simple life tugging on it who says that is great! Get a life braindead!

AZZA… Well spoken brother cool comments! When Orion will come out it will be cool as it will be above the Commodore and make Toyota look like there previous useless big self proclaimed successful car Avalon = reality proved it to be useless! Those two turkeys just love sharing the same exhaust pipe having a 3′some with Toyota. They support a great car in the Aurion (which I must admit below the TRD I like heaps) that looks bugger all above the Sportivo (how stupid is that) and try to believe that the car has the aggressive looks cause there bum chums support it. Deadset budgie brains.

Azza – and don’t you dare start with this Aussie thing either. Ford Australia and Holden are no more Australian then Mitsubishi Australia or Toyota Australia as they are 100% foreigned owned just like the rest of them.

Holden has tried to convince punters for years that the Commodore is Australian built for Australian conditions but with exception of the current model, no Commodore has ever been Australian… just a re-engineered Opel platform powered by a whole range of multi-sourced engines. And that crap ‘For Australian conditions’ – i have never witnessed a model yet that has actually had the dignity to age with grace.

They have been nothing more then just rattly, squeeky, troublesome, recall proned buckets of poorly engineerd cars. Japanese models have proven to be far more worthy of our local conditions then Falcodores and even the very latest surveys still convincingly idicate that very thing.

And how Australain is Holden and Ford when they have never been able to compete against Toyota and Nissan with commercial vehicles. This great, vast, unforgiving land of ours is predomiantely economically driven by the forever hard working Farmers, Miners, Industry workers and Tradies that have predominately opted for a Toyoya or Nissan workhorse not only because of thier ruggedness but superior reliability, dependability and durability. Go and have beer in REAL AUSTRLIAN PUB like in Birdsville, Longreach or somewere in the Pilbara and count how many Holdens and Fords exist compared to REAL WORKHORSES. Pathetic… and poeple like yopurself think Holden and Ford engineer vehicles for Australia.

Think rugged off-road holidays in the often blistering remoteness of our country and what vehicles are the predominate choice… i’ll give you a wee hint – not no Holden or Ford that’s for bloody sure.

And what about one of the most recognised ‘True Blue Australain’ undertakings of our history… the Snowy Mountain Scheme. Holden and Ford certainly didn’t make a name for themselves did they – NO THEY BLOODY DIDN’T… IT WAS TOYOTA !!

Infact, Holden or Ford don’t even sponsor our very own national sport (AFL). Yeah, real Australian they are.

As much as i acknowledge Holden and Ford local engineering, Toyota also has a crediable history of engineering and manufactuering vehicle right here in Oz aswell. The Camry/Aurion is localy built of which have the greatest percentage of locally sourced components while the 2.4 ltr Donk is also local manufactuered. Apart from that, Toyota also has considerable investment associated with a local styling offshot aswell as a Research and Development (R&D) team. The TRD Aurion project has predominately been of Australian interest and lets not forget that Toyota Australia exports far more locally manufactuered vehicles off-shore then any of the others. Holden’s export regime is nothing compared to that of Toyota’s while Ford… well, what can i say.

Apart from that, because Ford Australia is going through difficult times, much of their Australian-ness is about to be ended. The Fairlaine/LTD… going, the L6 engine… going !! Jobs – many gone !!

So don’t give me crap about Holden and Ford being Australain because it is bullsh*t. They are no more Australian or just as Australian as the two local Japanese brands.

Oooh yeah – don’t forget to go through me if you want to pick on Toyota.

Howling Dingo… mate you are a deadset dog act of an waste of space, what you and you bigger then Ben Hur toughgirl attitude with Toyota. Mate you seem to forget the Lexcen and other disasters like the Avalon. The TRD Aurion is a pathetic she girl of a car as it is not too far above a Aurion Sportivo in terms of a cutting edge harder edgier look, yet the morons drop a Supercharger in it. Fairdinkum mate get your **** out of the Toyota exhaust pipe you silly little man!

ok roberto we get it….you dont like the car!

seriously, different people have different tastes with cars and what is good and what isnt, stop trying to force your ideas onto everyone that doesnt agree with you!

Nick… fact is I like the Aurion, but not the TRD closet wussy job which is bugger all above the Sportivo in terms of look! I would like to see Toyota tackle HRT & FPR direct (not with this TRD version).

Dingo,
mate all im doing is defending the way you try to say ford is such a piece of junk and point out to you that toyotas arent really that much better GET IT?????
of course i know the 3.5L is destined for more than the falcon why would you think i wouldnt know that. thats why they want to use it because it is basiclly more universal than the I6. (yep I6 stop calling it the L6)

with tail lights what does it matter? but i honestly can say that you must admit that these “low-lux’s” getting around also are some sort of a bogans car. i see more low-lux’s with clear lights than falcons or commys and more corollas with clear lights and no focus’s with them at all.

also i think you are totally taring ford with the same brush as holden when you crap on about how poor quality ford is. yep you arent bad at stating quality issues with commy’s and yep we know them all but how can all the quality issues with the commys translate into fords are shit too?? i dont get it

so do you want to talk about the camry quality issues yet? just let me know when you are ready.

all im saying is people in glass house shouldnt throw stones

QUOTE….
“i screw you to the wall”
gee get over yourself. i bet you sit there and read what you have typed fifty times and print it out and stick it on the fridge

How many dingo’s are there again… Further to the point, the Dingo is an Australian animal, unlike the Lexus IS-F! That is the category here! AUSTRALIAN PERFORMANCE! But wait, you said it was a 300kw V8… Hmmm… Funny that, considering the FPV F6 Typhoon will have 300kw and it’s got an I6T engine… Hmmm, funny, i’m more then positive that a Typhoon would outdo a Lexus in performance. But hey, if you want to include good for nothing imports then put the IS-F up against something that is in it’s own “category”… The Shelby GT500… hmm, funny that, it’d wipe the floor with the crappy Lexus.

And I DON’T particularly care about Holden… But it is a fact that there was an Australian made Commodore… a good 30 years ago.

And the Falcon! The Falcon has more then proved itself to be a great, reliable and powerful car. Not to mention that most farmers over here where I live, they manage to have AU Falcon utes… What you don’t seem to understand is that Ford and Holden are both Australian bread companies, whereas you have Toyota that says, ‘hey, lets make a car exclusive to Australia, and we’ll say it was made there so they wanna buy it.’ But wait, I’m sure you’ll find a made in Japan sticker somewhere on it!

And for some reason your trying to make it seem that Mazda is a bad company… yet it is stated somewhere that Mazda are the top 3 in something… OH SHIT! FORD OWN MAZDA! DUH!!!!!

What was with Toyota’s great decision with the Lexcen, and the Apollo? Hmmm… Do you think that maybe, just maybe, Toyota wanted be fwends wif Holden..?

Aurion, more balls then a Falcon or Commodore! PAH! I’m sure a good 2,000,000+ people just roled over in their graves! That piss weak piece of crap couldn’t match up to the power that a Falcon or Commodore put out. Regardless of what some figures might say!

And the Falcon is an Australian designed, created and produced car, however the design is based on other cars like the Mondeo and the Focus. Back in the 70′s and 80′s it was based on the Mustang… Doesn’t mean it’s an American made car though.

Falcon and Commodore will always be known as the true blue Aussie built sedans and utes. And if anyone wants a Rice-burner, Toyota is your best choice, which is what it really comes down to.

Didn’t go through you Dingo’s, ripped through you.

I love a car with a great motor that looks like Mr Bean designed it. Just love that is sits way different above the Sportivo with the tacked on Supercheap Autos front bottom air intake and same purchased grill. I cannot believe how much different it looks then a Sportivo now!

It is the other hammerheads who go on with silly thinking saying it is fine. It looks like crap. The purpose of a high powered motor is performance and you should expect a hot aggressive look to mirror that. This car is CRAP and it is the armchair wallies who try and defend these cars by saying it is fine. These type of people support hero cars designed by Mr Bean!

Just would love to see another car maker to take on HRT and FPR!

As for Azza… you really are lost:

* You state both Ford and Holden are both Australian companies, cut the crap, they are yanks… they are in real terms no more Australian then Toyota who these days are employing more and more Aussies while the “locals” are downsizing
* You state the Aurion cant match the Commodore and Falcon in terms of power. It is FACT it is faster then the Commodore by nearly 2 seconds and the Falcon by a smaller margin. This is FACT, its not figures on papers… its tried and tested in many reviews.
* Your last comment is similar to the first, showing your blind loyalty to a company that isnt true blue Aussie… its American. But dream on in your little fair world… one where Ford isnt sacking people by the hundreds.

hmm, the main thing about the aurion in general, is its front wheel drive… shouldnt it be rear wheel drive like the Commodore and Falcon

paul you must admit that there is no more changes to the TRD than what changes FRV and HSV administer yet you critisize the other makes for not changing enough.

also your facts are all over the place with time trials. a while ago you had said that the falcon only just beat the aurion “in real world tests” and used that to say the falcons torque difference means nothing. now you say the falcon gets beat by 2 secs!! stop changing stuff to suit the situation.
also there is plenty of hilux’s and corollas getting around with “bolt on bling” aswell so dont go thinking that bogans only exist in the forms of driving fords or holdens.

oh yeah MY opinion on looks is i prefer the look of the sportivo variant as the TRD looks too over done

Who cares if the TRD aurion doesn’t look more “hot” or “sporty” over the other models? It performs a hell of a lot better. Not everyone wants to drive a car that screams out “boy racer”, this could not be more true for the target market that TRD are aiming at.

Look at the Audi S4. Visually it is not very different to the A4 but their performance are in totally different leagues (price tag too unfortunetly).

If you don’t like the look of this car, state your opinion but don’t try to impose your opinions on others. Especially on the internet as you won’t get ANYWHERE. If you don’t like the look of the car, don’t buy it. If you’re in the vast majority then perhaps the sales of the car will flop and TRD might rethink their strategy for their next variant.

And it’s early days yet, but I humbly predict that TRD might offer a range of enhancements or a “sports kit” or something for the TRD aurion, much like Toyota offered the “action package” for its Celica a couple of years ago.

Personally I don’t mind the look of the TRD aurion, although if I was in the market for a car of this calibre I would find it hard to justify the extra cost of the TRD over a lower model. Might depend on how loud the whine of the supercharger is

hey roberto dont forget the steering wheel needs work too. it is straight out of the camry. i love the feel/look of a momo wheel mounted like ford and holden offer it has contours/grips to make you feel like you are driving a sports car.

andrew i agree with your very last bit in reference to justifying the extra price and im sure many others will aswell. fair enough if it were a sports car with a bit of established heritage and street cred (like say a WRX, EVO etc etc) but for a new commer the price wont help to convince people to give it a go

Sigh… Where was a comparison between audi and toyota made? I was making a point that certain models of audi cars appear similar yet totally different in performance. Thats a factual statement, not a comparison.

Roberto, your original post referred to what you perceived were style defects in this car. I’m just saying that looks aren’t everything for everyone. TRD would have perhaps purposefully kept this car visually neutral to appeal to a different market than FPV/HSV (wasn’t this stated in this article or another?).

Whether this strategy works or not? Well we just have to wait and see.

SMUTTY DINGO…. or whatever you call yourself. Mate you have more name changes then is the norm. You sure you are one person as sounds like you might have few alter egos you poof? Mate I like the Aurion but not the TRD version. But as I said go look at votes whether you would buy one you goose as you are way way in the minority and the reason is looks. I base my comments on looks alone and do not need to talk about HSV or FPR or carry on about that! Mate get real and get a life!

Ummm PAUL… look at survey on who voted for buying / not buying / sitting on fence. THIS IS A SLAP IN THE FACE FOR YOUR STANCE ON CAR BEING FINE AS YOU ARE IN MINORITY. FACT! FACT! FACT! FACT! SO DEAL WITH IT. You have a engine and manufacture first rate with a wussy boring front / outside SIMPLE FACT. ANYTHING OTHER THEN THAT IS TOTALLY IRRELVANT RUBBISH! Survey speaks facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew M – what gen camry did you get, our family has owned 3 (current 2007 stivo, 2004 stivo, and 1993 camry (i think) and we only had a recall on the 04 stivo for something to do with the headlights.

It is legtimately 2 seconds faster then the Commodore, Omega that is, SV6 is only alittle slower. Officially the Aurion does the 100 in 7.4seconds, I think the Falcon is marked as that as well while the base Commodore does it in 9 seconds… so MY BAD 2 seconds is abit over the top. But anyway the point is still clear, suggesting the competitors are more powerful is just a joke, at the very worst its equal to the Falcon and better then the Commodore.

Yes I know that I was referring to the original comment.

Gee that Paul goes on with crap sometimes with his Toyota crap, self centred opinionated uni know it all (not all uni people are like that!!!!). This boy needs to get real and get accurate as everywhere he goes he goes on with inaccurate comments.

Paul. Gee I make $30K a year as a builder. You are so stupid and dumb it defies logic that you have no balls to tell what job you do? Nursing? Mate I think you stand on the street corner late at night you geeky git.

Haha nah Builder Bob, I bet Klink is on $3mil a year… building is where the money is at, not university education, why would we need educated people for?

I didnt quite understand that last comment… your not in a trade now, geez your occupation changes like the wind. I know what happens in Grafton, Ive been through that way a number of times… has a Maccas on stilts. Id like to meet up and chat, but on your wage I dont think you could afford the trip let alone the medical bills afterwads.

Sooo because you have a ‘real job’… it means you can put me in my place, by attacking me physically, really quickly? Riiight… mate I kidded that you were trying to get onto disability pension, your not helping your cause with comments like that!