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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey i have just purchased a 2008 toyota camry sportivo and was wondering if there is a way to turn traction control off. any help is much appriciated.. thanks guys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey i have just purchased a 2008 toyota camry sportivo and was wondering if there is a way to turn traction control off. any help is much appriciated.. thanks guys</p>
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		<title>By: L33t Ford Luvver</title>
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		<dc:creator>L33t Ford Luvver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/jun2006/bw20060601_836628.htm?chan=autos_autos+index+page_news 

Copy the above link, and have a squiz - but you probably already know as it sounds like you&#039;re a big Toyota fan or a sales rep.  
The recalls are not all at the same time, but they have happened over the last 4 years. And that is just typing &quot;Toyota Recall&quot; in google.  But once again, this is off the point.  I don&#039;t want to flame anyone, so i wont.  Let&#039;s see, we were saying...DSC should be standard in all cars.</description>
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<p>Copy the above link, and have a squiz &#8211; but you probably already know as it sounds like you&#8217;re a big Toyota fan or a sales rep.<br />
The recalls are not all at the same time, but they have happened over the last 4 years. And that is just typing &#8220;Toyota Recall&#8221; in google.  But once again, this is off the point.  I don&#8217;t want to flame anyone, so i wont.  Let&#8217;s see, we were saying&#8230;DSC should be standard in all cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Toyota Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toyota Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate you couldnt be any more wrong. You try to bring fleets into this argument, what the hell? Toyota vehicles make their most from private buys, the most sold fleet vehicle is the Corolla which only makes 60% compared to the 80% of Holden and Ford. Overall with more vehicles sold to fleets they might be slightly ahead... but they sell 10 million units a year, of which a huge proportion are private sales. Meanwhile Ford and Holden in Australia and no doubt the U.S make a huge proportion of sales to fleets. And as I highlighted this 3.5million figure I cant find, especially from 2006 onwards, I think its abit of hot air from NM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate you couldnt be any more wrong. You try to bring fleets into this argument, what the hell? Toyota vehicles make their most from private buys, the most sold fleet vehicle is the Corolla which only makes 60% compared to the 80% of Holden and Ford. Overall with more vehicles sold to fleets they might be slightly ahead&#8230; but they sell 10 million units a year, of which a huge proportion are private sales. Meanwhile Ford and Holden in Australia and no doubt the U.S make a huge proportion of sales to fleets. And as I highlighted this 3.5million figure I cant find, especially from 2006 onwards, I think its abit of hot air from NM</p>
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		<title>By: L33t Ford Luvver</title>
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		<dc:creator>L33t Ford Luvver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point i was trying to make was simple:  Even the almighty Toyota Jidōsha Kabushiki-gaisha buggers up occasionally, and the point before that was simple - Ford has put models out that have Euro Safety at a reasonable price.
I personally have been a fan of toyota on the side for a while, but i feel that other companies are passing them when it comes to safety and low maintenance, low cost cars.
But back to the point, ESP, DSC, ETC, whatever - should be standard on all cars in this day and age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point i was trying to make was simple:  Even the almighty Toyota Jidōsha Kabushiki-gaisha buggers up occasionally, and the point before that was simple &#8211; Ford has put models out that have Euro Safety at a reasonable price.<br />
I personally have been a fan of toyota on the side for a while, but i feel that other companies are passing them when it comes to safety and low maintenance, low cost cars.<br />
But back to the point, ESP, DSC, ETC, whatever &#8211; should be standard on all cars in this day and age.</p>
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		<title>By: L33t Ford Luvver</title>
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		<dc:creator>L33t Ford Luvver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, no one really needs to manipulate stats, man.  Every one know that Mum, nan, nan&#039;s nan and pop all drove and probably still drive Camrys and corollas.  But you must admit that the deep discounting to Government and fleet people helps Toyota with their &quot;sales&quot; numbers. as well as the fact that they also count Hino (both trucks and buses), yamaha, Fuji, and Isuzu in the numbers internationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, no one really needs to manipulate stats, man.  Every one know that Mum, nan, nan&#8217;s nan and pop all drove and probably still drive Camrys and corollas.  But you must admit that the deep discounting to Government and fleet people helps Toyota with their &#8220;sales&#8221; numbers. as well as the fact that they also count Hino (both trucks and buses), yamaha, Fuji, and Isuzu in the numbers internationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Toyota Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toyota Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahah in the same period Toyota sold 10 million units while Ford sold less... forgetting that 20 years of reliability doesnt disappear because Toyota has ONE SINGLE bad year (With issues in the U.S with the Camrys transmission... which Aus Camrys DIDNT HAVE). If your gonna manipulate stats you could do a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah in the same period Toyota sold 10 million units while Ford sold less&#8230; forgetting that 20 years of reliability doesnt disappear because Toyota has ONE SINGLE bad year (With issues in the U.S with the Camrys transmission&#8230; which Aus Camrys DIDNT HAVE). If your gonna manipulate stats you could do a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: L33t Ford Luvver</title>
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		<dc:creator>L33t Ford Luvver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see that Ford is now offering top range safety on the cars also - Mondeo (29,990) with DSC and 7 Airbags standard across the range, and DSC, 6 airbags, and EBA on Focus for only $1600(on top of 19,990).  Euro safety for Korean pricing almost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that Ford is now offering top range safety on the cars also &#8211; Mondeo (29,990) with DSC and 7 Airbags standard across the range, and DSC, 6 airbags, and EBA on Focus for only $1600(on top of 19,990).  Euro safety for Korean pricing almost.</p>
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		<title>By: L33t Ford Luvver</title>
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		<dc:creator>L33t Ford Luvver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dingo - do your homework mate.  Toyota has also recalled nearly 3.2 million cars since June 2006 due to failures across the board on Yaris, Corolla, Lexus RX330,CAmry and Aurion.  This is not including the recalls on cars that we DO NOT sell in Aust.  The 3.5 Million cars that Ford recalled are american and asian SUV&#039;s.  Ford stopped bringing them to Aust for the Reason that they were unreliable.  An avid Ford lover i may be, but i think it is about time that the &quot;Old Reliable&quot; Toyota was scrutinised under the same tests and inspections as other manufacturers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dingo &#8211; do your homework mate.  Toyota has also recalled nearly 3.2 million cars since June 2006 due to failures across the board on Yaris, Corolla, Lexus RX330,CAmry and Aurion.  This is not including the recalls on cars that we DO NOT sell in Aust.  The 3.5 Million cars that Ford recalled are american and asian SUV&#8217;s.  Ford stopped bringing them to Aust for the Reason that they were unreliable.  An avid Ford lover i may be, but i think it is about time that the &#8220;Old Reliable&#8221; Toyota was scrutinised under the same tests and inspections as other manufacturers.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done ...my post about the 2008 Accord DSC here got thrashed. I am getting out of here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done &#8230;my post about the 2008 Accord DSC here got thrashed. I am getting out of here.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honda setting the safety items as standard?

When shopping around and looking at the Civic, we found that the Civic base model wasn&#039;t even available with curtain airbags, you must buy a higher model to even get the OPTION of curtain airbags...</description>
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<p>When shopping around and looking at the Civic, we found that the Civic base model wasn&#8217;t even available with curtain airbags, you must buy a higher model to even get the OPTION of curtain airbags&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ROBERTO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROBERTO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do focus on what Honda is doing set the agenda first and include safety items as standard; a persons life might depend on it and you cannot take half measures on that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do focus on what Honda is doing set the agenda first and include safety items as standard; a persons life might depend on it and you cannot take half measures on that!</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford got thier engineering right did they, is that why they have a 3.5 MILLION vehicle recall, declining sales because of thier less then desirable approach to making quality cars or the fact that the Corolla actually rates quite a bit higher is the quality stakes as indicated by the Australian Quality Survey.  

Ooh yeah... because thier tuning is so good they actually don&#039;t require ESP do they !! Silly me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford got thier engineering right did they, is that why they have a 3.5 MILLION vehicle recall, declining sales because of thier less then desirable approach to making quality cars or the fact that the Corolla actually rates quite a bit higher is the quality stakes as indicated by the Australian Quality Survey.  </p>
<p>Ooh yeah&#8230; because thier tuning is so good they actually don&#8217;t require ESP do they !! Silly me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly right Jamez - because it&#039;s a TOYOTA...

Is it sh*t Ford marketing or Toyota muscle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly right Jamez &#8211; because it&#8217;s a TOYOTA&#8230;</p>
<p>Is it sh*t Ford marketing or Toyota muscle.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, when we bought our Corolla, the Focus had yet to enter its discounted price. Furthermore, we didn&#039;t look at European cars because of high maintenance costs, something that while part myth, still exists to a large extent.

People buy a Corolla because they are dependable. That is one thing they definitely are, even if not terribly exciting.

Furthermore, I trust the long term dependability of Corollas built by Japan more than I trust Focuses built in South Africa.

By the way, we have a Corolla sedan not a hatch. The one that looks like a mini-Camry rather than an inflated Yaris.

I also checked the figures. Auto Focus sedan uses 8.0L/100km on the ADR. Auto Corolla sedan uses 7.4L/100km on the ADR.

If sales are anything to go by, clearly Toyota is doing something right with the Corolla. I wouldn&#039;t say that they have very good marketing either, the new Corolla ads are terrible and I haven&#039;t seen many of them, at least a lot less than the Focus/Fiesta &quot;we are all different&quot; ad that seems to have infested TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, when we bought our Corolla, the Focus had yet to enter its discounted price. Furthermore, we didn&#8217;t look at European cars because of high maintenance costs, something that while part myth, still exists to a large extent.</p>
<p>People buy a Corolla because they are dependable. That is one thing they definitely are, even if not terribly exciting.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I trust the long term dependability of Corollas built by Japan more than I trust Focuses built in South Africa.</p>
<p>By the way, we have a Corolla sedan not a hatch. The one that looks like a mini-Camry rather than an inflated Yaris.</p>
<p>I also checked the figures. Auto Focus sedan uses 8.0L/100km on the ADR. Auto Corolla sedan uses 7.4L/100km on the ADR.</p>
<p>If sales are anything to go by, clearly Toyota is doing something right with the Corolla. I wouldn&#8217;t say that they have very good marketing either, the new Corolla ads are terrible and I haven&#8217;t seen many of them, at least a lot less than the Focus/Fiesta &#8220;we are all different&#8221; ad that seems to have infested TV.</p>
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		<title>By: jamezolu</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamezolu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW,

You and your family got screwed by the all mighty Toyota marketing machine .... or maybe its the fault of the Ford marketing machine FAILING to be heard .... 

For near enough $1,000 less than your Corolla with its safety pack ($21,740) .... you could have had a new model LT Focus with ITS safety pack ($20,790 RRP) that includes side airbags, curtain airbags, Traction Control, Stability Control and emergency brake assist.

Then lets not forget the Focus has an independent rear suspension, more power, more torque, yet BETTER fuel economy and doesn&#039;t look like a worse imitation of its cheaper little brother .... 

And to top it all off ... the Focus is getting pretty good press including 

&quot;we said this two years ago when the last Focus was launched, but now we are sure about it: if Ford does not become a force to be reckoned with in the high-flying small-car segment with the safer, better-value and broader-spectrum LT Focus, then Australians simply cannot spot a great car if it slaps them across the face. Even against new rivals from Toyota and Nissan, the latest Focus is one of those rare vehicles that brings pleasure to both the head and the heart. Drive one before you buy anything else in the sub-$25,000 segment.&quot; 
 
Mmmmm .... and why did you and all the other sheep buy a Corolla? Because it&#039;s a Toyota ... not sure if that&#039;s an indictment on Australians or the hugest compliment I can give the Toyota marketing department ... sadly a bit of both probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW,</p>
<p>You and your family got screwed by the all mighty Toyota marketing machine &#8230;. or maybe its the fault of the Ford marketing machine FAILING to be heard &#8230;. </p>
<p>For near enough $1,000 less than your Corolla with its safety pack ($21,740) &#8230;. you could have had a new model LT Focus with ITS safety pack ($20,790 RRP) that includes side airbags, curtain airbags, Traction Control, Stability Control and emergency brake assist.</p>
<p>Then lets not forget the Focus has an independent rear suspension, more power, more torque, yet BETTER fuel economy and doesn&#8217;t look like a worse imitation of its cheaper little brother &#8230;. </p>
<p>And to top it all off &#8230; the Focus is getting pretty good press including </p>
<p>&#8220;we said this two years ago when the last Focus was launched, but now we are sure about it: if Ford does not become a force to be reckoned with in the high-flying small-car segment with the safer, better-value and broader-spectrum LT Focus, then Australians simply cannot spot a great car if it slaps them across the face. Even against new rivals from Toyota and Nissan, the latest Focus is one of those rare vehicles that brings pleasure to both the head and the heart. Drive one before you buy anything else in the sub-$25,000 segment.&#8221; </p>
<p>Mmmmm &#8230;. and why did you and all the other sheep buy a Corolla? Because it&#8217;s a Toyota &#8230; not sure if that&#8217;s an indictment on Australians or the hugest compliment I can give the Toyota marketing department &#8230; sadly a bit of both probably.</p>
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		<title>By: trackdaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>trackdaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onya Dingo

LT Focus does have DSC as $600 option with side &amp; curtain airbags.  The thing about the Focus &amp; The Mazda is they already have a properly engineered &amp; tuned chassis that means intervention is kept to a minimum. 

Talk is DSC on corolla has been moved back even further ie. Late 08.  On a car with twist beam rear suspension, near enough suspension tune that&#039;s about 5 years too late. 

Good go on DSC in Camry should stop a few wood ducks climbing trees backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onya Dingo</p>
<p>LT Focus does have DSC as $600 option with side &amp; curtain airbags.  The thing about the Focus &amp; The Mazda is they already have a properly engineered &amp; tuned chassis that means intervention is kept to a minimum. </p>
<p>Talk is DSC on corolla has been moved back even further ie. Late 08.  On a car with twist beam rear suspension, near enough suspension tune that&#8217;s about 5 years too late. </p>
<p>Good go on DSC in Camry should stop a few wood ducks climbing trees backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - exactly how many Mazda3 owners do you think have ESP - i&#039;ll be confidant to say not many. 

Does the Focus current have it... NO ??

Astra... NO !!

Epica... NO !!

Has Toyota got a 2 star crash rated vehicle... NO !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; exactly how many Mazda3 owners do you think have ESP &#8211; i&#8217;ll be confidant to say not many. </p>
<p>Does the Focus current have it&#8230; NO ??</p>
<p>Astra&#8230; NO !!</p>
<p>Epica&#8230; NO !!</p>
<p>Has Toyota got a 2 star crash rated vehicle&#8230; NO !!</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if i am wrong but it is my understanding that the Corolla will receive ESP as of mid next year. That Question has already been answered.

Now i have a Question... when will the new Holden Epica receive ESP ??

And... will the Mondeo come with it standard ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if i am wrong but it is my understanding that the Corolla will receive ESP as of mid next year. That Question has already been answered.</p>
<p>Now i have a Question&#8230; when will the new Holden Epica receive ESP ??</p>
<p>And&#8230; will the Mondeo come with it standard ??</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And when talking about cost, read this link...

http://www.caradvice.com.au/3599/2007-ford-focus-july-update/

So the recently updated Focus for $19,990 with ABS and 2 airbags standard is $1,000 cheaper than an equivalent Corolla with ABS and 2 airbags.... Add in the Focus&#039; optional side and curtain airbags AND stability control in the safety pack for $1,600 and it is still $150 cheaper than a base Corolla with the $750 safety pack - one that STILL doesn&#039;t have ESP even as an option. That makes the Corolla look much weaker for value and safety. Add to that the Mazda 3 and Focus are both a great drive and it doesn&#039;t make the Corolla look too appealing on any level really...

I hope you didn&#039;t buy that Corolla after July 2nd when this link was posted above!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when talking about cost, read this link&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.caradvice.com.au/3599/2007-ford-focus-july-update/" rel="nofollow">http://www.caradvice.com.au/35.....ly-update/</a></p>
<p>So the recently updated Focus for $19,990 with ABS and 2 airbags standard is $1,000 cheaper than an equivalent Corolla with ABS and 2 airbags&#8230;. Add in the Focus&#8217; optional side and curtain airbags AND stability control in the safety pack for $1,600 and it is still $150 cheaper than a base Corolla with the $750 safety pack &#8211; one that STILL doesn&#8217;t have ESP even as an option. That makes the Corolla look much weaker for value and safety. Add to that the Mazda 3 and Focus are both a great drive and it doesn&#8217;t make the Corolla look too appealing on any level really&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope you didn&#8217;t buy that Corolla after July 2nd when this link was posted above!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while JW watches the inside of his new Corolla inflate like the Michelin Man&#039;s suit inside a jumping castle when he hits a random car pulling out in front, Mazda 3 owners will steer around the accident, see a few flashes of the little orange ESP light and live to fight another day, knowing that the airbags are still there as a BACKUP... all without spilling their coffee.

I&#039;d take ESP AND airbags over airbags alone anyday. ESP has potentially saved my life once before and it&#039;s worth every cent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while JW watches the inside of his new Corolla inflate like the Michelin Man&#8217;s suit inside a jumping castle when he hits a random car pulling out in front, Mazda 3 owners will steer around the accident, see a few flashes of the little orange ESP light and live to fight another day, knowing that the airbags are still there as a BACKUP&#8230; all without spilling their coffee.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d take ESP AND airbags over airbags alone anyday. ESP has potentially saved my life once before and it&#8217;s worth every cent.</p>
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