This first attempt from TRD here downunder is a respectful one at the least. I assume some of you online chatters really have no life beyond the net and probably don’t even test drive differant cars as suggested.

What is it with Toyota, they seem to bug, annoy and make many Holden, Ford chimps very nervous at the wink of the eye.

PROBLEM AREAS HAVEN’T ADDRESSED –

1. grille way too traditional and does not look aggressive enough on grille (this looks too bland and change here would lift the style but it has to look correct). Bottom of front bumper is too much detail and curves and it looks like Hyundai or former Daewoo did this area! Back is nice and hopefully the rear tailights are LED and diamond look bright as

2. headlights should be blacked out surrounding silver actual light like in second last model Astra and earlier Mazda 6’s

3. around lower driving lights there should be horizontal grille type vents (from actual light facing inwards

4. sides of car are virtually same as last model and are too predictably slab sided

5. bonnet should have a raised crease down the middle

6. front guards should have aesthetic cooling slots located behind wheel (Tiburon and Kombidore)

HSV and FPV (particularily HSV) has never been shy to compare it’s offerings to much more exclusive offerings and when the IS-F lands on our shores next year then i’ll be waiting the showdown

Like i’ve said on many occassions to date… if that’s the way Holden choses to advertise then that’s the way the public will pass judgement. Don’t get weak on me and come up with excuses.

Be sure to answer this… if Lexus, Mercedez Benz, BMW, Audi etc are in differant classes (as you say – and they are)then WHY DOES HOLDEN PERSIST TO BE COMPARED TO THEM and then people like yourself try to avoid such confrontations when it happens.

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Because they have more class, quality and refinement than HSV cars. No matter how far HSV goes, they definitely cannot match cars like the M5 on these qualities. If HSV priced their vehicles like an M5, I’d like to see how well they’d sell.

Granted, you’re paying a lot more for a BMW, Mercedes or a Lexus of equivalent performance, and you’re probably not getting as much extra as you pay extra, but I don’t see why someone wouldn’t consider such a car.

How much is this lexus, compared to FPV and HSV? you listed the features, but never the price, which i would have thought was quite important as its’ the ‘purchase price’

I’m sick and tired of many comparing RWD lexus models with Ford and Holdens!
They are in completely different classes…

As someone has quite rightly pointed out the TRD Aurion was never intended to compete with HSV/FPV, only perhaps at the beginning when this model was going to be available in 4WD.

In regards to HSV/FPV – some may recall that Lexus Australia recently confirmed that the IS-F will be available in Australia as of mid next and i’m sure it will smoke any HSV/FPV any day of the week. The IS-F will be powered by a 300kw 5.0 ltr V8 mated to a 8 speed (that’s right… 8 speed) paddle shift tranny with LSD and a lockup torque converter for maximum take of speed. Apart from that, the IS-F will exhibit all of the valuable and repected traits of a Lexus – unquestionable quality, refinement and dependability.

I acknowledge Toyota has not been involved with sports/performance cars for quite awhile but they are starting to invest into this arena again and the TRD Aurion and IS-F is sure to be a good start.