Comments on: Toyota to withdraw from F1

By: trippyfoo

trippyfoo — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:32:36 +0000

lol.. good call with the Ferrari 1 call….
Hopefully other manufacturers will see this as an opportunity to join in…well any car manufacturers that are profitable..

Can’t really blame the current manufacturer’s for pulling out when they’re losing money hand over fist.

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:49:28 +0000

BMW X ; Honda X ; Toyota X ; Renault X ; In a couple of years F-1 will stand for Ferrari-1 as they will be the only ones left.. and could possibly be reduced down to 1 car.. So much for the pinnacle of motorsport

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:41:26 +0000

Yes Rumour has it Brawn may not be financially viable for 2010 and sell out to a U.S consortium, but Eccleston doesn’t care who leaves, as long as a team has the money to join and replace them.

By: Alan

Alan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:31:08 +0000

What do you mean? USF1 was already a confirmed starter before Toyota’s withdraw, unless you meant there’s another US team?. Honda F1 team buy out? Again, i’m baffled, Honda F1 team has already became Brawn for 2009 season…

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:31:16 +0000

The F1 teams use 16 people to do a pit stop whilst the V8 Supercar teams can do a pit stop just as quickly with 1/2 as many people..

Therefore; there are at least 8 people which each F1 team can get rid of which would help reduce costs – just an idea

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:26:29 +0000

No they won’t, rumour has it the U.S have a team ready to enter the 2010 season, theya re also rumoured to be buying out the Honda F1 team.

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:22:59 +0000

oh and that’s in Euro’s

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:17:05 +0000

The average team spends around 200 Million per season

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:16:05 +0000

Absolutely, this is why VW will be the worlds largest automotive manufacturer in the world before their target of 2018

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:05:49 +0000

Volkswagen have shown that you don’t need to compete in F1 to develop your product let alone your engines etc.

Over the 8 years that Toyota have spent being an also ran in F1 Volkswagen have increased the power of their engines not to mention the fuel efficiency whilst making them smaller in size weight and capacity.. which improves the handling performance of their cars..

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:42:00 +0000

That may be however; less than 6 months ago Toyota said that they were committed to F1 for the next 5 years.

By: +PLUS+

+PLUS+ — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:26:15 +0000

Cool,now Toyota can focus on Aussie racing cars.hehe

By: F1 Addict

F1 Addict — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:03:41 +0000

Nakajima’s drive at Williams and Kobayashi’s role at Toyota proves the whole F1 adventure was little more than an expensive branding exercise. I think the execs at Toyota might also have let national pride get the better or them as well.

By: phase3

phase3 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:00:14 +0000

it wasn’t because of a management change that brawn won this year – it was because honda basically stopped any developement of their 2008 car to focus on this year’s car because of the major rule changes. if brawn was still being run and owned by the japanese, it still would have won. and extra 12 months of developement will do that…

it’s a similar reason why ferrari and mclaren did so poorly – they couldn’t stop developement of their 2008 car to focus on the 2009 car because they were fighting for the championship.

also, don’t forget the japanese, with whatever management style, were producing probably the best engine (admittedly a while back in the late 80s) in the honda units.

toyota’s failure is down to a number of other reasons – they never managed to find a top-tier driver and having their team essentially split between germany and japan didn’t help things.

By: F1 Addict

F1 Addict — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:19:54 +0000

From a logistics perspective having F1 offices in both Japan and Cologne doesn’t seem right. And what about the long-term driver contracts, didn’t they serve the team well.. Ralph Schumacher and the ‘Trulli Train’ didn’t exactly pay big dividends.

By: Alan

Alan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:00:51 +0000

I doubt anyone buying Toyota will win next year. Brawn won this year not because of the management change, but more as a result of the rule change throwing the established rival off course. Not to mention that the Brawn cars this year were developed over nearly 2 season with the money of Honda and the combined talent of Honda Racing and Super Aguri, I seriously doubt they will be able to repeat the success of this year with other teams clearly catching up to them in the later races of this season after sorting out their car to the new rules.

And that’s not forget that despite being Japanese ‘owned’, both Honda and Toyota’s F1 teams are run mostly by Europeans based in Europe.

By: Reckless1

Reckless1 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:55:03 +0000

A new team will come along, buy the Toyota outfit, and win the world championship next year.

Why? Well – look at Honda – you got rid of the “Japanese” management style, and instant results followed.

The pattern is repeated in Mototcycle teams too – just go back over the history of Doohan – success only came when the management style was non-Japanese.

By: talk then think

talk then think — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:04:07 +0000

Kobayashi’s driving was impressive hopefully he can get a spot on another team. He is worth giving a go especially if your a team like Force India.

By: Alan

Alan — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:48:50 +0000

To be fair aj, F1 is really more a show then a direct connection to road cars, which Ferrari in recent years has directly benefited from their involvement in F1? I think that Toyota’s withdraw is hardly surprising given the high cost and lack of victory, but i don’t think it’s valid to say F1 racing should breed sports cars. Remember Ferrari’s claim of ‘F1′ gearbox? No connection to an actual ‘F1 gearbox’, and the engines used by F1 are far removed from anything road going since the end of the turbo era.

By: aj

aj — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:44:38 +0000

Please! You’ve got to be kissing right? Spoken like a true Toyota patsy. Pull the smoke and mirror routine over others. Toyota has more money than any other Auto manufacturer in the world. What other forms of motorsport do they compete in? They are quitters because they couldnt win period!!!

And what sports cars came out of their F1 program? None! The connection between the V10, the Lexus fugly-mobile and their F1 program is about as relevant as Ferrari’s are to Hyundai.

Take your pathetic retoric elsewhere.