However, sourcing crappy, gutless, unsafe Daewoos is a quick-profit cop out. I’m sure they will improve in a few years, but then they have to overcome the damage already done. Hyundai and Kia have improved, but it took a long time. Holden’s small car reputation (when they were Opel) may suffer for years to come.

Friday 12th October Border Mail newspaper. A Wodonga woman killed in single car accident. Read a few more paragraphs, she was in a Viva.

Ford and Holden (and all others) makes mistakes and people love digging up the past. One that gave me a giggle tho was Holden bagging BA for being heavier, then here comes VE which has gained a lot of weight. Reason why the Alloytec V6 (which was reasonable in VZ form) suffers so badly in power/economy.

There are far superior porducts that can be purchased at either Ford, Mazda, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai and Mitsubishi then these dogged ‘Daewoo’ products from Holden.

What i appreciate about the more reputable Japanese brands is that they remain consistant with their range and don’t vary in quality/reliability between models of thier products. For example – no matter what vehicle you purchase at a Toyota dealership it will be a Toyota manufactuered car but at Holden then who knows… is it locally built, an Opel, Isuzu, Daewoo… what !! Infact, Holden has been so inconsistant over the years that they even utilised Vauxhalls, Suzuki’s, Toyota’s or even Nissan or Isuzu engines… basically, Holden is all over the place.

Infact, Holden doesn’t even have any REAL firm stability or corporate direction at all and this behaviour wil continue to dog Holden as-long as they remain so.

As far as i’m concerned, the Ford range is far superior to that of Holdens and certainly more stabile. I believe the ‘Orion’ Falcon will be fantastic car, while Mondeo will probably prove to be a very competant competitor against the established MEDIUM market unlike the Epica which is an absloute awful/spineless attempt from Holden. The Fiesta and Focus are great litlle cars with dignity about themselves while the Ranger and Territory would trump that ugly Rodeo and Captiva anyday of the week. My support is behind Ford to trump Holden in the years to follow.

HOLDEN IS A DOG OF A COMPANY AND IT BEATS ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE BUY THEM.”

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QUOTE = Peter “The current Ford range is far better than the Holden offerings when it comes to the Viva/Barina/Fiesta comparison. It’s interesting to note that Holden brings in the rubbish when it can’t be bothered competing properly with Ford. I can’t believe they think that the Epica is going to do well against Mondeo – as in they have already waved the white flag.

The Territory gave Holden a fright and the Captiva was the next best thing (let’s forget the Adventra or whatever that Holden wagon thing was). Barina/Viva are not aimed at Fiesta/Focus, they’re aimed at Hyundai/Kia alternatives.”
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I know some of this is over a month old, but I’m relatively new here. Some of this stuff is GOLD!!!!!

This means they would most likely sell more which would improve profits as well as restore Holdens image – which was ruined by his predecessor Denny Mooney who initiated the Daewoo plan

Mooney said it would cut costs and increase their profit margin. It hasn’t infact dealers have had to reduce prices of Barinas Vivas etc inorder to move stock thereby reducing/wiping out their profit.
Which is why I am glad to see Denny Mooney “Go”

ROJEAN all I was doing was encouraging you to put your views up, do say more about your time in the industry. You must admit the saving grace for Holden has been Opel and Vauxhall. Did you know the VRX has no emblems inside to state HSV and no changes to inside as Holden thinks “OH SHE’LL DO”. A few badges stuck on car before it goes to car dealers for sale to the public. Oh and the obligatory sticker on the back window to cover up the slackness an HSV symbol above the words “I just want one”. As for the steering wheel, no they do not change that either as still have Opel thunderbolt symbol. The noise associated with HSV is a deep knarly exhaust resonance… not in this baby as fair bit reserved! As for problems with it its steering is only good and not exceptional and fancy NOT having a rear wheel drive… 177kw to front wheels equals torque steer issues. Holden should be more concerned about the detail. You think they would offer a sporty dialset in instrument cluster like found in Clubsport, etc… no detail again and even have sticker viewable in cluster that states “OPEL PERFORMANCE CENTRE”. Holden shaming its past by putting a HSV logo to this is a recipe for disaster as whilst a nice vehicle has sort of been not changed as Holden / HSV not concerned to change detail to continue the theme of how it does HSV cars! Derryn Hinch would say “SHAME, SHAME, SHAME” This happens regularly in industry and most do it!

HOLDEN BEDPARTNERS ALSO SUZUKI, TOYOTA, ISUZU. Iam not disputing that Ford not same with Mazda, Jaguar and others, but it does not do as many backflips as Holden. I just loved the cars what came and went quick like Lexcen, Cruise, etc. Yes it took the history and smartness of Opel and Vauxhall to assist strongly with Holden.

What other Holden cars are produced Downunder????? Hmmm do not have to type too much on the keyboard for that one know do I? Yet it was the brains of Holden that came up with HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA and this is recent and not some 3+ years ago. So what did you do in the car industry, hope it was not write true ads like that one?????

1. Daewoo / Holdens badged as Chevrolets (for a public hardworking serpent you cannot spell) and Buicks puts a further spin on it. HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO ITSELF WITH BED PARTNERS CHEVROLET, BUICK, GM, OPEL, VAUXHALL, DAEWOO AND RELIES ON BEANCOUNTERS TO KEEP SAFETY OUT OF CARS FROM DAEWOO LAND… THIS MEANS A LITTLE DEAL FOR BANG FOR YOUR BUCKS FOR AUSTRALIA AND ROB SOME JOBS OUT OF AUSTRALIA… A TRUE BACKFLIP OF AN ICONIC AUSTRALIAN BRAND! PS: Remember Mr Hardworker, this is at the expense of Aussie jobs to some fair extent, and being a pontificating extremely Humphfrey of YES MINISTER you would know this is not good in the overall wellbeing of local jobs downunder. Holden gloat on this car manufacturing downunder with such status and fan fare that it has turned its back on it now as moving elsewhere. What has Ford done… no fanfare and hoopla on ads

2. Holden cannot produce an LPG only motor inhouse such as Ford. They have to send vehicle out of factory to get duel fuel (they still offer company full warranty of course).

3. Holden as so backwards in there rehashing European cars that the Opel still has the Z on steering wheel yet the Holden emblem on bonnet

4. Holden spent a massive amount (claimed over $1 billion on Kombidore) yet there motor is inferior to Falcon motor on smoothness and worse fuel economy

5. Holden does NOT even rate in the TOP 10 of motor vehicles for net worth (or whatever was up on car advice website) – with the likes of Hyundai above it HOLDEN NEVER EVEN MADE IT IN THE TOP 10

6. Take the Kombidore out of the range and HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA

7. Kombidore overkill from the likes of the Adventra, Avalanche, CV6, CV8 in the 4 wheel drive modes… they come and go with such quick time it is a joke.

8. You have to remember that the world does not centre around you and your words… and yes Iam a supporter of privitising public servants as I come across many overpaid and underperforming pontificating claimed hardworking people and I would not employ them to wrap fish and chips in Pauline Hanson’s fish and chip shop at Ipswich! I know people in your game and meetings they go to and long winded over work they do, I say and so do others… PERFORMANCE REVIEWS AND ANALYSIS!

So do not come bleating to me like you are above me or act like your Numero Uno!

HMM – i bet my post will be deleted again..

I wonder why a post with “HOLDEN IS A DOG OF A COMPANY AND IT BEATS ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE BUY THEM.” didnt get deleted??