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		<title>By: Bucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mazdaman,

I won&#039;t get into a mud slinging contest with you.
You seem more interested in dropping your remarks here and there without actually putting anything decent together to debate.
Hell, if you&#039;ve been reading anything from the UK about Skoda, you&#039;ll find they think they&#039;re a very good thing too. They&#039;re essentially using all VW running gear.
I&#039;m not obsessed with Holdens, that your interpretation. 
I&#039;m passionate about cars full stop, Euro&#039;s, Japs, Americans, Aussies.. I&#039;m not some Bogan who drives a Falcon either.
Put simply, I&#039;m critical of Holden&#039;s marketing to push cars out the door. I&#039;m critical of any maker that makes stupid claims, including Ford...  
I don&#039;t normally get into debates about cars on here, its a waste of time but I felt strongly about this one. It proves a Hi-Po Falcon doesnt have to suck fuel like a hong kong hooker up the highway. 6.98L/100KM from a 270Kw/533Nm car is superb, as is the Maloo&#039;s effort.



I&#039;m signing off on this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mazdaman,</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t get into a mud slinging contest with you.<br />
You seem more interested in dropping your remarks here and there without actually putting anything decent together to debate.<br />
Hell, if you&#8217;ve been reading anything from the UK about Skoda, you&#8217;ll find they think they&#8217;re a very good thing too. They&#8217;re essentially using all VW running gear.<br />
I&#8217;m not obsessed with Holdens, that your interpretation.<br />
I&#8217;m passionate about cars full stop, Euro&#8217;s, Japs, Americans, Aussies.. I&#8217;m not some Bogan who drives a Falcon either.<br />
Put simply, I&#8217;m critical of Holden&#8217;s marketing to push cars out the door. I&#8217;m critical of any maker that makes stupid claims, including Ford&#8230;<br />
I don&#8217;t normally get into debates about cars on here, its a waste of time but I felt strongly about this one. It proves a Hi-Po Falcon doesnt have to suck fuel like a hong kong hooker up the highway. 6.98L/100KM from a 270Kw/533Nm car is superb, as is the Maloo&#8217;s effort.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m signing off on this debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent 8,

And the Maloo is a Family car that all Australians will aspire to own... o_O 
We are comparing the 3.0L SIDI to the Turbo 6, the V8 isn&#039;t in the picture at the moment. You seem to be floating all over the place with your Argument bent 8...first you mistake me for bringning the 3.6 SIDI into the debate and the you go and bring the V8 in.  
The V8 is doing a great job, no doubt but c&#039;mon- its not a familty car, its a ute that can&#039;t even carry a decent load over its rear axles.  
&quot;Here at HSV, we see what the average cashed up aussie want when he spends 60K on a Hi-Po V8...economy is on the top of the shopping list...fo sho.&quot; Now if we want to debate the GTS or R8, it would need to be running in the competition to compare wouldnt it :) 

If this proves anything, Both cars are more powerful but yet seem to use not much more fuel then the the much smaller 3.0L SIDI. 
Torque and gearing come into play hear methinks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent 8,</p>
<p>And the Maloo is a Family car that all Australians will aspire to own&#8230; o_O<br />
We are comparing the 3.0L SIDI to the Turbo 6, the V8 isn&#8217;t in the picture at the moment. You seem to be floating all over the place with your Argument bent 8&#8230;first you mistake me for bringning the 3.6 SIDI into the debate and the you go and bring the V8 in.<br />
The V8 is doing a great job, no doubt but c&#8217;mon- its not a familty car, its a ute that can&#8217;t even carry a decent load over its rear axles.<br />
&#8220;Here at HSV, we see what the average cashed up aussie want when he spends 60K on a Hi-Po V8&#8230;economy is on the top of the shopping list&#8230;fo sho.&#8221; Now if we want to debate the GTS or R8, it would need to be running in the competition to compare wouldnt it <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>If this proves anything, Both cars are more powerful but yet seem to use not much more fuel then the the much smaller 3.0L SIDI.<br />
Torque and gearing come into play hear methinks</p>
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		<title>By: Bent 8 Brigade</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/46197/ford-fiesta-econetic-falcon-xr6-meet-global-green-challenge/#comment-162734</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent 8 Brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is where I leave this discussion.
You&#039;re not going to convince me to rush down to Ford and purchase a Falcon...nor am I going to convince you to buy a Commodore.

Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is where I leave this discussion.<br />
You&#8217;re not going to convince me to rush down to Ford and purchase a Falcon&#8230;nor am I going to convince you to buy a Commodore.</p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Bent 8 Brigade</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/46197/ford-fiesta-econetic-falcon-xr6-meet-global-green-challenge/#comment-162733</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent 8 Brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if you&#039;d finished reading the article you would read that the figures quoted were taken the day after that:
&quot;However, after our day of Murray River Valley exploration, the two cars&#039; figures could be compared without equivocation, and the Commodore was still clearly ahead; 11.1L/100km to 12.0L/100km.&quot; 
You should really look at articles before you &#039;go on and talk about them.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if you&#8217;d finished reading the article you would read that the figures quoted were taken the day after that:<br />
&#8220;However, after our day of Murray River Valley exploration, the two cars&#8217; figures could be compared without equivocation, and the Commodore was still clearly ahead; 11.1L/100km to 12.0L/100km.&#8221;<br />
You should really look at articles before you &#8216;go on and talk about them.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Bent 8 Brigade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent 8 Brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HSV’s unlikely entry, the V8-powered E-Series II Maloo ute has so far achieved a remarkable average fuel consumption of 7.35 l/100km - a 51 percent improvement on its official 15.1 l/100km rating.

*rubs eyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HSV’s unlikely entry, the V8-powered E-Series II Maloo ute has so far achieved a remarkable average fuel consumption of 7.35 l/100km &#8211; a 51 percent improvement on its official 15.1 l/100km rating.</p>
<p>*rubs eyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Mazdaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazdaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they probably watched Bathurst this year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they probably watched Bathurst this year</p>
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		<title>By: Bent 8 Brigade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent 8 Brigade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, jp you&#039;re the man, but you forgot to let us know if you succeeded in dragging off the worked Commies in your lowered lime green XD fairmont...have you got extractors on your falcoon mate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, jp you&#8217;re the man, but you forgot to let us know if you succeeded in dragging off the worked Commies in your lowered lime green XD fairmont&#8230;have you got extractors on your falcoon mate?</p>
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		<title>By: Jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that why I have every Tom Dick and Harry in their worked Commy try and drag me off in my Ford? For the record, Ford fans aren&#039;t obsessed with Holden, Holden is just our comic relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that why I have every Tom Dick and Harry in their worked Commy try and drag me off in my Ford? For the record, Ford fans aren&#8217;t obsessed with Holden, Holden is just our comic relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watefa, I think you need to actually read some reviews before commenting about them. Even Wheels recently did a comparo between the XR6 and the SV6 with the 3.6 SIDI, and found that the Ford was faster, the engine felt lighter and more powerful, and on fuel economy, their test showed the commy come in better, but only as it spent more time on the highway, and with less luggage in it. If your memory serves you to think that the commies always used less fuel, then you might be suffering from altziemers. Some reviews had the Ford come in lower, some had the Holden come in lower, but there was never a significant difference, showing that they are about on par. But only 1 review (MOTOR) had the Holden go faster, and no review thought the new engines lived up to their hype.

Only a Holden fanboy would try to claim false comments.

For reference:
NZ Autocar October Edition
These guys found the Ford with a 5 speed faster, and more refined. Unfortunately, they didn&#039;t test fuel consumption

MOTOR November Edition
These guys found the SV6 to be the fastest (in a time that no-one else has even come close) but in fuel consumption it was a mere 0.3L/100Km better, but they also found that the Falcon was 2 whole seconds faster around winton, showing the engines true power.

Wheels November (?)
Ford was faster, Holden better on fuel, but spent more time on highways with less luggage (as mentioned above). In the pro&#039;s and cons, both cars had the engine listed as a pro, but in the con it stated that the SV6 can&#039;t match the XR6 as a sports sedan. That was from Wheels, a known Holden biased magazine.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/44132/2009-large-car-comparison/
These guys found the commodore to be a joke as usual, and returned nearly 12L/100Km!!! I&#039;ve gotten better than that out of a BF XR8!!! (11.5 :P)
http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/bathurst-1000--with-a-twist-20091009-gqou.html
Toby Hagon. Self confessed Holden fanboy, and possibly the most biased person in the automotive media... The Ford positively FLOGGED the Holden in economy... and lets have a few quotes:

&quot;After more than eight hours and 60 laps, it’s clear there’s already a favourite among our team of drivers and it’s not the car that has dominated the sales charts for the past 13 consecutive years.&quot;

&quot;The Falcon is emerging as the more rounded package and it has nothing to do with the fuel gauge. The superior driving feel of the Falcon is making it the car our drivers are looking forward to sitting in.&quot;

&quot;There’s no way to sugar-coat it. The Commodore was thirstier. Despite the new direct injection technology, the Holden’s new 3.0-litre engine used 11.09L/100km of fuel (almost identical to the trip computer’s claim of 11.0L/100km). That’s not only 19 per cent more fuel than its official claim but 10 per cent more than the Falcon.&quot;

&quot;And enthusiast publication Wheels, recently recorded near identical fuel use for the 3.0-litre Commodore and the more powerful 3.6-litre version, with the Falcon only slightly thirstier.&quot;



Is it all coming clear now? Are you starting to see the point that we have been making? The Holden is not catching the Ford in a hurry. These new engines are a step up from the old ones, but face it, a tightly wound rubber band would have done a better job than the Alloytecs, and engine that even Holden fanboys that I know regard as inferior to the ecotec it replaced.

So next time, before shooting off your mouth about facts you don&#039;t know, read a few articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watefa, I think you need to actually read some reviews before commenting about them. Even Wheels recently did a comparo between the XR6 and the SV6 with the 3.6 SIDI, and found that the Ford was faster, the engine felt lighter and more powerful, and on fuel economy, their test showed the commy come in better, but only as it spent more time on the highway, and with less luggage in it. If your memory serves you to think that the commies always used less fuel, then you might be suffering from altziemers. Some reviews had the Ford come in lower, some had the Holden come in lower, but there was never a significant difference, showing that they are about on par. But only 1 review (MOTOR) had the Holden go faster, and no review thought the new engines lived up to their hype.</p>
<p>Only a Holden fanboy would try to claim false comments.</p>
<p>For reference:<br />
NZ Autocar October Edition<br />
These guys found the Ford with a 5 speed faster, and more refined. Unfortunately, they didn&#8217;t test fuel consumption</p>
<p>MOTOR November Edition<br />
These guys found the SV6 to be the fastest (in a time that no-one else has even come close) but in fuel consumption it was a mere 0.3L/100Km better, but they also found that the Falcon was 2 whole seconds faster around winton, showing the engines true power.</p>
<p>Wheels November (?)<br />
Ford was faster, Holden better on fuel, but spent more time on highways with less luggage (as mentioned above). In the pro&#8217;s and cons, both cars had the engine listed as a pro, but in the con it stated that the SV6 can&#8217;t match the XR6 as a sports sedan. That was from Wheels, a known Holden biased magazine.<br />
<a href="http://www.caradvice.com.au/44132/2009-large-car-comparison/" rel="nofollow">http://www.caradvice.com.au/44132/2009-large-car-comparison/</a><br />
These guys found the commodore to be a joke as usual, and returned nearly 12L/100Km!!! I&#8217;ve gotten better than that out of a BF XR8!!! (11.5 <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/bathurst-1000--with-a-twist-20091009-gqou.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-news/bathurst-1000&#8211;with-a-twist-20091009-gqou.html</a><br />
Toby Hagon. Self confessed Holden fanboy, and possibly the most biased person in the automotive media&#8230; The Ford positively FLOGGED the Holden in economy&#8230; and lets have a few quotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;After more than eight hours and 60 laps, it’s clear there’s already a favourite among our team of drivers and it’s not the car that has dominated the sales charts for the past 13 consecutive years.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Falcon is emerging as the more rounded package and it has nothing to do with the fuel gauge. The superior driving feel of the Falcon is making it the car our drivers are looking forward to sitting in.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s no way to sugar-coat it. The Commodore was thirstier. Despite the new direct injection technology, the Holden’s new 3.0-litre engine used 11.09L/100km of fuel (almost identical to the trip computer’s claim of 11.0L/100km). That’s not only 19 per cent more fuel than its official claim but 10 per cent more than the Falcon.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And enthusiast publication Wheels, recently recorded near identical fuel use for the 3.0-litre Commodore and the more powerful 3.6-litre version, with the Falcon only slightly thirstier.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it all coming clear now? Are you starting to see the point that we have been making? The Holden is not catching the Ford in a hurry. These new engines are a step up from the old ones, but face it, a tightly wound rubber band would have done a better job than the Alloytecs, and engine that even Holden fanboys that I know regard as inferior to the ecotec it replaced.</p>
<p>So next time, before shooting off your mouth about facts you don&#8217;t know, read a few articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well lucky you didnt buy a little later when they started putting the 3.6L engine in the Commy then.

That would have made you proud of the VY&#039;s economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lucky you didnt buy a little later when they started putting the 3.6L engine in the Commy then.</p>
<p>That would have made you proud of the VY&#8217;s economy</p>
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