Comments on: MUGEN Civic Type R confirmed for limited production

By: Tom R

Tom R — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:41:21 +0000

Anthony.
Dude, why spend all that money making an engine rev so hard? Some people LIKE that, hence Honda’s performance sales and reputation for the last twenty years. I can tell you now, a majority of the kids at my school either own a Honda or want one. I’m looking to buy a late 80’s Prelude because they’re the most fun this side of five grand.
The S2000 is a pretty old car these days, but as far as I know, its still number one in world consumer satisfaction surveys. Thats not turbo.

Also, as far as ive seen, theres a lot more press (and positive at that) on the GT3 than there is on the GT2. On top of that, reviews of the GT3 state that you have to rev its guts out to get all the power.

The only reason a lot of cars are going turbo these days is economy. I can almost guarantee you the only reason the M3 and the -stratospherically revving- M5 are going to turbo’s is because of economy and BMW’s new direction.
M sport has always specialised in Naturally Aspirated engines before.

By: Fasthonda

Fasthonda — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:15:23 +0000

Yep it’s the noun form.Just looked it up on Dictionary.com

By: Fasthonda

Fasthonda — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:08:22 +0000

Really?!ha!..ha!it’s hard for you to accept that a NA car can be so good!
So you’re bragging because the TURBOCHARGED cars have more torque and power and thus can pull ahead of the Mugen in such a race?
For a while,of course they would get the lead but apart from the Focus RS,the others would be “coughing and spluttering” at the top end while the Mugen would breeze past them.

By: Yanzo

Yanzo — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:03:43 +0000

is exclusivity even a word?

By: Tony

Tony — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:51:27 +0000

too bad it’s not coming here

i can see a lot of overseas students are unhappy

By: Fasthonda

Fasthonda — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:17:39 +0000

People don’t understand the philosophy of Honda or Mugen for that matter.
It’s quite easy isn’t,to simply attach a turbo or supercharger?Mugen lives for the challenge of extracting as much KW from a NA engine.Turbo charging is a too easy solution for them and Honda.Where is the challenge in that?
I’m not anti-turbo but at this point in time I don’t see Honda or Mugen releasing a turbo charged performance car in the near future

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:48:41 +0000

All those engines are much bigger, and have decent torque at low RPM. Plus even the next M3 and RS4 are probably going to be turbocharged and Porches GT2 is turbocharged. Why spend all that money and research in making an engine rev so hard, when you could get a much cheaper lower spec engine and put a turbo on it. A turbo standard civic engine would be cheaper, have better performance and better fuel economy.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:44:04 +0000

And on the road it would spanked by all of the above, especially on a rolling start…

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:41:15 +0000

Your living in the past. The Civic Type R is an absolute pain in the ass to drive compared to the turbo opposition. Soul?? Haha more like no torque when you need it most. You might argue that ‘you can drive around it’ but why should you need to drive around a cars weak points?? The only place it would make sense would be on the track, buts it front drive any anyone with half a brain would buy a rear-driver…

By: Tom R

Tom R — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:00:48 +0000

You people dont get it.

Its appealing to a different audience for god sake.
Everyone has their own turbo-hot-hatch out there, but Honda’s staying true to its roots and building a weeny screaming i-VTEC monster engine.
Then Mugen came along…. ;)
I would buy the turbo car simply because I adore turbo’s, but I know my aunty HATES them so she bought the Type-R and she just loves revving it’s guts out.
Cant do that in a turbo car, or at least, theres no point.
And they do have a target market. One day I will buy a car like this, a rev-me-till-i-spit-my-crank-in-your-face engine.

Its not behind the eight-ball, its a different sort of strategy.
Audi RS4? Why isn’t that turbocharged.
BMW M3? Why?
Lexus LF-A? Why?
Porsche 911 GT3? Why?
Sure, different cars, but theory is the same. hard-ass revving engines without turbo.

But why do they have to spend “countless hours perfecting the 2.0-litre i-VTEC” when they can just drop the S2000 engine in?

By: Fasthonda

Fasthonda — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:09:58 +0000

It’s been very impressive on the track.Spanking the likes of the Mazda MPS 3,WRX,Ford Focus RS,GTI and others.
Check out the British CAR Magazine site and the Autocar Mag(not yet published) both carried out tests with the cars.

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:56:38 +0000

Hence why I bought the Leon Cupra R in the UK instead of the Type R. The turbo shunt at 1850RPM was much more enjoyable than wnding it up to 6,500 to get the most out of my machine.

By: Carz

Carz — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:38:31 +0000

Awesome!Civic Type-R looks great, this will surely make fanatics heart skip particularly the Mugen lovers…I just love this very cool car.

By: Whitbomb07

Whitbomb07 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:47:00 +0000

Let me guess you have to rev this to 20,000rpm before it does something? Honda/Mugen need to realise this isn’t a motorbike, it’s a car!

FastHonda stop kidding yourself that this car is so awesome because it doesn’t have a turbo, and thus isn’t “comprimised” as the designers seem to describe it. How much extra fuel does it have to dump into the cylinders to get something half decent out of it? 3 MPS uses similar fuel and I know which one I’d take.

Even if I had 70,000 I wouldn’t even consider this, even the 40k for the current Aus version. Even if I was given this car for free, I’d have a for sale sticker on it the same day.

FYI I did actually look at the Civic Type R back in 07-08, and realised it was a waste of time, just a boy racer wannabe car with some bling.

Regards

Whitbomb07

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:22:28 +0000

Yes I did, and I’d still buy the mass produced 335i because all these Mugen’s will end up in spanish chop shops and the BMW is a better car.

By: crouchy

crouchy — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:11:04 +0000

You didnt read the part about them making 20??? There’s a reason its 38K…

By: maximark

maximark — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:05:22 +0000

With that sort of money, I would rather get an Evo or 135i. They only build 20 so they have an excuse to have them overpriced.

By: Car Fanatic

Car Fanatic — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:49:29 +0000

38K pound sterling? Why bother, the BMW 335i M sport highline coupe is a couple of grand cheaper, more comfortable and would eat this Mugen on a striaght and on a B road. Now if it were 30K pound sterling it would be worth it.

By: o

Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:20:10 +0000

looks are subjective i prefer the UK model
Price doesnt matter to those who buy this
20 is more exclusive than 300

By: timmy201

timmy201 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:04:47 +0000

Ummm..

-Looks
-Price
-They made 300
-Lightweight carbonfibreness