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	<title>Comments on: Hyundai Santa Fe Loses ESC</title>
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		<title>By: Keepleft, MotAdv-NSW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keepleft, MotAdv-NSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE Victorian government and its agencies would do well to wait a little for the COMMONWEALTH to issue an ADR specifically for EBS.

THE UNECE process is developing this.  I would expect, with a bit of luck, an ADR towards the end of 2008 early 2009.

The curtain airbag issue, as VIC would see it, could see domestic cars fitted with US spec side airbags, these may or may not in time be found to be compliant with UNECE Standards, and assorted mutural recognition issues could come into play as well.

Now the COMMONWEALTH of AUSTRALIA is bound by UNECE.

Patience is required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE Victorian government and its agencies would do well to wait a little for the COMMONWEALTH to issue an ADR specifically for EBS.</p>
<p>THE UNECE process is developing this.  I would expect, with a bit of luck, an ADR towards the end of 2008 early 2009.</p>
<p>The curtain airbag issue, as VIC would see it, could see domestic cars fitted with US spec side airbags, these may or may not in time be found to be compliant with UNECE Standards, and assorted mutural recognition issues could come into play as well.</p>
<p>Now the COMMONWEALTH of AUSTRALIA is bound by UNECE.</p>
<p>Patience is required.</p>
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		<title>By: The Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberto if the Territory was behind the 8 ball why is it still selling consistantly well???? Turbo diesel is coming for Territory, LPG is pointless due to packaging constraints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto if the Territory was behind the 8 ball why is it still selling consistantly well???? Turbo diesel is coming for Territory, LPG is pointless due to packaging constraints.</p>
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		<title>By: roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford Territory is a gas guzzler and barely class leader as under siege with rising petrol prices being on drives minds now.

If Ford Territory is so good, how come no diesel or hybrid or LPG only motor as they are lagging behind the 8 ball where others are starting to jump the queue and waking up. I drive a BA LPG only ute and I enjoy watching people fill up and they get nowhere near $48 full tank for 550-600kms as I enjoy. Isn&#039;t it funny the Government can offer rebates to encourage LPG and to some manufactures for developing hybrids or better ways to save fuel and help the environment... they should offer hefty rebates for hybrid only cars to look after out backyard and not sqaunder money on useless things... if they got rid of all State Governments and made the Federal Arena more broader to have less red tape, less fat cat Pollies then we could be bit better off $ wise and then we could bet significant rebates towards drivers buying better economical cars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford Territory is a gas guzzler and barely class leader as under siege with rising petrol prices being on drives minds now.</p>
<p>If Ford Territory is so good, how come no diesel or hybrid or LPG only motor as they are lagging behind the 8 ball where others are starting to jump the queue and waking up. I drive a BA LPG only ute and I enjoy watching people fill up and they get nowhere near $48 full tank for 550-600kms as I enjoy. Isn&#8217;t it funny the Government can offer rebates to encourage LPG and to some manufactures for developing hybrids or better ways to save fuel and help the environment&#8230; they should offer hefty rebates for hybrid only cars to look after out backyard and not sqaunder money on useless things&#8230; if they got rid of all State Governments and made the Federal Arena more broader to have less red tape, less fat cat Pollies then we could be bit better off $ wise and then we could bet significant rebates towards drivers buying better economical cars</p>
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		<title>By: alborz</title>
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		<dc:creator>alborz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the base model, which is what is being referred to in the article, does not have S&amp;C airbags as standard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the base model, which is what is being referred to in the article, does not have S&#038;C airbags as standard</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ford Territory does have Side and Curtain Airbags. It was the first Australian built car to have the Curtain Airbags available. See the Ford website for specs...as for dated...its still the class leader and pretty hard to beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ford Territory does have Side and Curtain Airbags. It was the first Australian built car to have the Curtain Airbags available. See the Ford website for specs&#8230;as for dated&#8230;its still the class leader and pretty hard to beat.</p>
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		<title>By: roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAFETY AND DRIVER DEFENSIVE COURSES IS SOMETHING GOVERNMENT AND CAR MAKERS SHOULD NOT DO ON A PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT VIA AN ACCOUNTANT: Me thinks that there should be driver defensive courses for all people starting out first time as compulsory (is this the case now???). Further, depending on age, there should be reviews of license re-testing and driver defence courses partly funded by Government as an intiative towards driver responsibility on our roads. People who lose points and are close to losing license should all be put through this. Many times there are people on the road who drive bad, dangerously and these people should be put through the paces like all of us by having periodic reviews. As for safety; to trim costs for car makers build smarter and with costs savings implemented on the factory floor and the office; and NOT at the expense of safety items that should be dam well compulsory in every car (high level ABS, high level EBS, high level ESP, Airbags in front / knee front for driver / side front / curtain in front and back and these should not be tiny things either but a certain big size like in Commodore or Falcon! Who cares how the media or car makers dissect this; I have a whiplash injury that is still causing me grief more than 14yrs down the track so if you have an opinion… SHOVE IT! Thus all you armchair experts, HEAPS OF SAFETY IN CARS COMPULSORY AND NOT OPTIONAL! 
REAP WHAT CAR MAKERS SOW WHEN YOU REMOVE ITEMS AS STANDARD = DISASTER!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAFETY AND DRIVER DEFENSIVE COURSES IS SOMETHING GOVERNMENT AND CAR MAKERS SHOULD NOT DO ON A PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT VIA AN ACCOUNTANT: Me thinks that there should be driver defensive courses for all people starting out first time as compulsory (is this the case now???). Further, depending on age, there should be reviews of license re-testing and driver defence courses partly funded by Government as an intiative towards driver responsibility on our roads. People who lose points and are close to losing license should all be put through this. Many times there are people on the road who drive bad, dangerously and these people should be put through the paces like all of us by having periodic reviews. As for safety; to trim costs for car makers build smarter and with costs savings implemented on the factory floor and the office; and NOT at the expense of safety items that should be dam well compulsory in every car (high level ABS, high level EBS, high level ESP, Airbags in front / knee front for driver / side front / curtain in front and back and these should not be tiny things either but a certain big size like in Commodore or Falcon! Who cares how the media or car makers dissect this; I have a whiplash injury that is still causing me grief more than 14yrs down the track so if you have an opinion… SHOVE IT! Thus all you armchair experts, HEAPS OF SAFETY IN CARS COMPULSORY AND NOT OPTIONAL!<br />
REAP WHAT CAR MAKERS SOW WHEN YOU REMOVE ITEMS AS STANDARD = DISASTER!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m convinced Hyundai has lost the plot.

To start with they sold cheap, basic cars for a drive-away price, and couldn&#039;t keep up with demand.

It&#039;s not a bad thing to move upmarket from a poor beginning, after all, Toyota did it - anyone remember the Tiara?

But a Santa Fe CRDi Elite is $47,000 !!!!!!!!  The previous models of Santa Fe were $37000 or less.

One model upgrade does not equal that kind of price premium - there is a big choice of superb Euro vehicles at around $47000 and you&#039;d have to be a mug to pay that much for the Santa Fe.

Hyundai sales YTD are well down, reflecting the point I&#039;m making - it&#039;s very hard to crawl out of the crappy suburbs and no-one will help you do it quickly, even if your quality ratings are improving.

Slam your prices up faster than your improvements and pay the price.  To respond by cutting safety features is a marketing disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m convinced Hyundai has lost the plot.</p>
<p>To start with they sold cheap, basic cars for a drive-away price, and couldn&#8217;t keep up with demand.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a bad thing to move upmarket from a poor beginning, after all, Toyota did it &#8211; anyone remember the Tiara?</p>
<p>But a Santa Fe CRDi Elite is $47,000 !!!!!!!!  The previous models of Santa Fe were $37000 or less.</p>
<p>One model upgrade does not equal that kind of price premium &#8211; there is a big choice of superb Euro vehicles at around $47000 and you&#8217;d have to be a mug to pay that much for the Santa Fe.</p>
<p>Hyundai sales YTD are well down, reflecting the point I&#8217;m making &#8211; it&#8217;s very hard to crawl out of the crappy suburbs and no-one will help you do it quickly, even if your quality ratings are improving.</p>
<p>Slam your prices up faster than your improvements and pay the price.  To respond by cutting safety features is a marketing disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Iamthestig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iamthestig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sales are obviously all that matter to Hyundai.  Pity they won&#039;t have anyone to sell cars to if their customers are killed because they pull this sort of caper.

The salesman should try and educate people why it would be a good idea to have these features but they won&#039;t because most of them have no idea themselves...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sales are obviously all that matter to Hyundai.  Pity they won&#8217;t have anyone to sell cars to if their customers are killed because they pull this sort of caper.</p>
<p>The salesman should try and educate people why it would be a good idea to have these features but they won&#8217;t because most of them have no idea themselves&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 06:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Arsenalroc. Consumers should shop with their feet and walk down to Holden and pick up a Captiva  where these items are standard.

Side Airbags, Curtain Airbags and ESP will no doubt be common place eventually, just as Dual Front Airbags have become. It&#039;s just a shame they&#039;re not going to be here sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Arsenalroc. Consumers should shop with their feet and walk down to Holden and pick up a Captiva  where these items are standard.</p>
<p>Side Airbags, Curtain Airbags and ESP will no doubt be common place eventually, just as Dual Front Airbags have become. It&#8217;s just a shame they&#8217;re not going to be here sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: arsenalroc</title>
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		<dc:creator>arsenalroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with all the positive news about hyundai making the step up to be on par with jap cars, its sad to see a cost cutting decision to lower its value . Certain safety elements like ESC,side &amp; curtain airbags should be made mandatory in all cars in this day and age regardless of what the public perception is. These technologies will and has help save lives and not just be an option for the slighty richer. 
shame on you Hyundai!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with all the positive news about hyundai making the step up to be on par with jap cars, its sad to see a cost cutting decision to lower its value . Certain safety elements like ESC,side &amp; curtain airbags should be made mandatory in all cars in this day and age regardless of what the public perception is. These technologies will and has help save lives and not just be an option for the slighty richer.<br />
shame on you Hyundai!</p>
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		<title>By: roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly mistake by Hyundai!!!! It should be standard with all vehicle makers as there should be not skimping on safety</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly mistake by Hyundai!!!! It should be standard with all vehicle makers as there should be not skimping on safety</p>
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