Coming Soon: 2009 Large Sedan Comparison
October 7, 2009 by Paul Maric
CarAdvice has spent the best part of the week evaluating six of the best selling cars in the large car segment, including as an Australian first, a comparison with the new Holden Commodore Calais V-Series featuring the new SIDI V6 engine.
The cars were put through a barrage of tests, ranging from ride and comfort through to performance tests.
For more, check back on Friday when the full details are revealed.
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Oh no, you can’t compare a Skoda Superb to a Calais, they are like apples and oranges aren’t they Wheelnut! How ironic, or is it just that the CA team have a wicked sense of humour!! This will be interesting…
Devil’s Advocate:
You do realise that all of these cars reside in the exact same category? Including the Skoda.
If you bothered checking, you would also find that they’re all priced within the same price category.
So it’s just like apples and oranges…but not.
Benjie, sorry I didn’t emphasise it enough but I was being sarcastic. If you have a look at the Calais V-series review from a couple of days ago you would understand EXACTLY where I was coming from!
A poster commented on why would you go a Calais when you can get a ‘more desirable’ Skoda Superb TDI DSG and another poster commented that comparaing the two was like comparing Apples with Oranges, then proceeded to state that while the first poster was at it, why doesn’t he compare a Calais to a 8×8 Tatra. I was just having a friendly dig at that comment. Personally, I think they are definitely comparable. Even though it would be hard to convince the badge snobs otherwise!! ;-) ;-) ;-) :-)
Let’s have a guess at which car is going to win this comparo..
My money is on Commodore followed by Accord.
In Australia “always” is local cars win the competition. I remember one of the German magazine compared the E class Mercedes to Skoda Superb and Skoda won! Could win it here too. I hope!
Thanks guys for including the Skoda in the comparo, and yes I of course hope it gets up. ABMPSV, yep have read the same article.
Any more info on this article?
Me as well on Skoda.
Ithink Falcon 1st, Honda 2nd , Commodore – 3rd
you are probably right. it was whiped in a similar comparison in 08 (see link below) and so would need to miraculously overcome it’s dated looking interior and exterior… via hardware changes.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/14.....omparison/
Hmmm, I dunno Sumodog. My guess is
1) Falcon
2) Superb
3) Maxima
4) Aurion
5) Accord
6) Calais
We should be able to bet on this :)
I guess..
1) Falcon
2) Aurion
3) Accord
4) Maxima
5) Calais
6) Superb
The aurion was behind the Calais in terms of performance even before the new DI V6 engines, it doesnt have a chance
and the accord looks like it has downs
I suggest the Falcon and Superb will be at the top, followed by he Calais.
Will the Superb in this comparison be the AWD 3.6 V6? or the 2L Diesel FWD version?
Tomas79:
It’s the V6 AWD Superb.
Superb will be highly placed, that engine is great ,it has AWD and it is basically a Passat with extra space…
Benjie,
I believe DA was quoting a statement made by another poster over at the Calais Review!
I’m hoping the Skoda first, followed by the Japanese and then finally the Australians at the bottom.
Wow, don’t you just like supproting the Australian’s who make a living fromt eh Australian car industry.
Grow a heart.
…and I am sure you have NOTHING in your house that is imported when there is an Australian made alternative… ;-) TFPIC
I am just calling it as I see it. Quite frankly, Holden and Ford have NO cars that interest me in the slightest.
Perhaps I will support them once they can provide some genuinely appealing cars that are of same quality as the competition, maybe then.
Fair enough.. But; The same could be said for the other [imported] Marques in this comparison as well you know..
That is just as you don\’t find the Commodore or Falcon appealing there are those who don\’t find the Nissan Honda or Skoda that attractive either.
Which car will win? – all depends on your personal preferences and what “characteristics” of a car are more important to you?
Thing is Wheelnut, you get just so many people that will automatically buy/like/etc. the locally made vehicles, simply because of that, the fact they are built here. With a percentage of those people that will automatically hate the imported vehicles, because of that.
Isn’t that what I Just said?
People will buy a particular car not because its the most suitable to their needs or whatever but because they have a pre-conceived idea that its far superior to its competition – and in some cases they won’t even bother driving the others..
We do – billions in tax payer subsidies, and protection via tariffs, and LCTs. How much more help do the 100% American owned locals need?? When will they actually turn a profit?
I’ve recently driven a Maxima and was surprised by it’s ability, you might find it further up your lists than you think. I would love to see the Skoda rock the boat though, it too is a very capable vehicle.
Agreed Deco. It staggers me that there’s a vocal minority who are more than happy to see the demise of the local car industry. Yes, the industry may be subsidised, and yes, the cars may not have the tightest panel gaps, but I believe they’re excellent value for money. If we stop manufacturing cars locally (Ford, Holden or Toyota), and we stop making a lot of other things in this country, then all we’re going to be good at is digging iron ore out of the ground and shipping it overseas.
Our productivity is terrible and our costs are high – please explain just where we will ever have a viable manufacturing industry?
“then all we’re going to be good at is digging iron ore out of the ground and shipping it overseas.”
That is all we’re good at. Mining and O&G contribute far more per capita than manufacuring – and the gap will continue to grow.
BTW that “vocal minority” is larger than you think.
Economically-speaking, you may be spot on. Unfortunately not everyone can work in the services or resources industries. If many lose their incomes from manufacturing, then it’ll likely have onflowing economic and social effects. Protectionist-minded? Maybe, but i think more countries are starting to realise that being so open isn’t necessarily the best way..
I’ve driven all these cars bar the Skoda (as no-one buys them), and my honest opinion is that the Australian cars are at par if not better than the Japanese for what they are intended.
If you just want a town car, then I too would buy a Japanese Corolla, or Civic. But if you ever intend on routinely travelling long distance, or carting heavy loads, sorry, but none of these cars meets Holden’s or Ford’s offering.
Yes people do buy Skodas Mark. Comparing the Australian product to quality Jap and Euro machines…you are stretching the envelope their mate.
Yeah well lets just wait to see what the writers think of the Australian stuff compared to the butt ugly Skoda will we ………..
Bavarian Missile, using your original nick for once?! But still trolling the site for idiotic arguments!!
How many Skoda Superb sold in Australia?
How many Skoda’s are sold in Australia?
102 Skoda’s sold in Australia in September.
And around 172 the month before that…
Not bad for a fairly unknown company just starting up in OZ, during a GFC!!
Given they have real problem just sourcing the LHD stock from the manufacturers in CZ… The main reason why the FABIA hasn’t been released here yet!!
674,530 units globally last year can’t be bad!!
Yes I agree. Skoda sold a lot of cars around the world. I would ask how many Holden was sold in say Germany? None! If is such a “good” car why they can not sell any! Skoda is Better!
Not that impressive either………… still you barrack for your home Country and I will mine in this test……… lets see what wins will we :)
I realize you are just trolling this site for idiotic arguments… Hope CarAdvice will pick up on it soon, And clean it up as they always do!!
As for not being impressive??…
674,530 Skodas out 945,822 total vehicles manufactured in 2008 is VERY IMPRESSIVE given much larger Australia, with more then double the population managed to produce only 329,556 in the same year.
Vast majority of them were toyotas you just love to bag….
Bavarian Missile says:” still you barrack for your home Country and I will mine in this test……… lets see what wins will we :)”
Thats such a bogan/red neck thing to say!! And anyone with half a brain would expect the local product to win on local soil!!
1. Falcon
2. Superb
3. Maxima
4. Calais
5. Accord
6. Aurion
I think a much better bet will be which company’s fans whine the loudest, regardless of which car is selected.
I’d bet on the ford fan boys, they always seem to feel victimised.
You read the comments on most stories here and you see good and rational debate put forward, you read the comments on any articles that pits a ford vs holden and the comments are either ridiculously biased or simple school boy comments.
In my experience they whinge just as loudly and hard regardless of whether they are a Ford OR Holden fan. The blinkers are on so tight that it seems to cut off circulation to the brain that allows them to accept the reality and FACT that there MAY actually be something better out there! Sure, the local 4 cars a good and represent some of the best value for money cars out there, but they are not always the best. :-)
I usually find the Holden heroes are more concerned about what holden does, then again the ford fan boys are more concerned about what holden does too. LOL
100% agree the locals are good and are value but not necessarily the best .
But it is fun teasing ford fan boys about 4 cylinder falcoons, not to mention future front wheel drive probabilities.
That Skoda is hideous!!
1.Falcon
2.Maxima
3.Skoda
4.Accord
5.Calais
6.Aurion
Clearly haven’t seen the Falcon then.
Exactly where it belongs in that company and if you take notice I will not be the only one voting the Aurion in last place!
perhaps if you drove one you might be able to justify your opinion.
I have driven a Aurion and it has the dynamics of a Whirlpool washing machine with wheels. And the seats are damn uncomfortable.
No-one believed their rubbish ad about re-defining the aussie large six. Its a V6 camry!
The only cars I have not had time with in that group is the Skoda and the Accord. I have had a look at the Accord and based on presentation and the interior it is enough to over throw the Aurion.
The Aurion like the Calais reeks of cheap materials and is a boring, bad handling car to drive.
So what do you call a bastard makeover completed by a Lakemba resident on a BF Falcon? The FG.
GO FALCON !!!!!
My guess is the order they appear in the 2nd pic
1 Falcon
2 Calais
3 Accord
4 Superb
5 Aurion
6 Maxima
i think everyone will find that the Superb is actually in the class of the Caprice/Statesman and not the Commodore, which it is both larger than cheaper than.
Srry this comment was not uploaded I think you’ll all find that the Superb is in the Class of the Caprice lengthwise and sizewise but in Commodore’s price range. IMO
1.Falcon
2.Accord(going on a previous comparo by CA)
3.Maxima(Value based and on equipment)
4.Skoda(just falls into this place)
5.Calais(due to dynamics but not a whole lot else)
6. Aurion(starting to lag behind even with the refresh).
Just my two cents worth.
1 Superb (If build quality, practicality and AWD is valued)
2 Falcon (Maybe 1st if the comparisons is performance baised)
3 Maxima (Maybe 2nd if the comparisons is value package baised)
4 Aurion
5 Accord
6 Calais (Maybe 1st, if Wheeln*t hacks into the server)
My 2 cents…
Which car will win depends on personal preference – be it AWD RWD FWD etc..
and what characteristics are more important to you – be it looks; build quality; reliability; longevity; power; performance and handling; safety; features etc
Some of which can be proven in various practical tests others are a matter of opinion.. and everyone is entitled to their opinion aren’t they Tomas?
Thank you for explaining this to me!
I always thought that the winner would be picked out in a lottery?!!
I think the Calais will win. It has a new feature called Sequencial Ignition. I am sure my 1942 Chev ute had that so it must be a proven feature. I think the Chev even had a Feature called a Firing Order. Trust GM to rediscover a great idea.
Another thing I found funny was that it was only fairly recently that Holden fitted “injector cut” on over run (going by their advertising). I can’t work out why it took them so long to program it into the ECU as it is not hard and is basically software based! Of course Holden’s well versed marketing department made a big song and dance about it about how much they care for the environment and they are at the forefront of automotive development etc. Funny thing is lots of cars have had that feature for YEARS. Even my old ‘94 E36 BMW 325i coupe that I had years ago did that!
However having said that, better late than never. At least they have bitten the bullet and gone Direct Injection in a mainstream model before most other manufacturers. Good work Holden.
The BF Falcon will win. Just don’t try to change the radio volume without light – the steering controls aren’t back lit. Perhaps Ford should ask Hyundai or Kia how they are able to provide this feature in their $15K cars.
How do you get a 2009 BF sedan?
Also maybe ford would be off asking Hyundai how to bring out a modern station wagon, or how to add stability control before the competition does or just how to keep up with toyota.
If, after driving the car for a couple of hours, you can’t find the audio controls by touch then you need to try harder. Do you need illumination for the indicator stalk, the wiper controls or the pedals ? No ? Thought not.
Here in Pomland we do like our Skodas. Had a Fabia vRS for 3 years and still miss it for the sheer fun and practicality. The new Superb really is a very good car but the sellers, over here, are the diesel versions. Only very weird people will buy the 3.6 monster………………in fact my local, successful, dealer has only seen one and that’s a demonstrator that no-one asks to drive. They all want to drive the diesels.
We don’t get the Ford or Holden cars listed over here but we do get virtually identical models, (albeit more diesels), from Ford and Opel/Vauxhall under different model names. Vauxhall/Opel do import a Holden with a big V8 as their hooligan flagship, and re-badge it accordingly.
Interesting Forum; I’ll add to my list.
“If, after driving the car for a couple of hours, you can’t find the audio controls by touch then you need to try harder. Do you need illumination for the indicator stalk, the wiper controls or the pedals ? No ? Thought not.”
It’s called a feature – and most cars can do it but the Ford BF FG ABC Falcon.
Yeah, lets all moan about how hard it is to remember where a radio button is, but lets overlook a serious flaw which all of Holden’s VE have called poor visibility. Who do Holden have to ask about designing a car without Pillars as thick as columns from the Acropolis and a rear window that you can actually see something out of? Or how about the attrocious ‘big toe’ handbrake lever that everyone hates because it pinches their hand when you release it, they stole that straight from Saabs parts bin and its still crap isnt it? Maybe they should have asked Hyundai’s sub 15k car division to design a proper one for them? Seriously people, most of the comments on these forums are a direct result of nothing more than brand bias, plain and simple.
Yeah, lets all moan about how hard it is to remember where a radio button is, but lets overlook a serious flaw which all of Holden’s VE have called poor visibility. Who do Holden have to ask about designing a car without Pillars as thick as columns from the Acropolis and a rear window that you can actually see something out of? Or how about the attrocious ‘big toe’ handbrake lever that everyone hates because it pinches their hand when you release it, they stole that straight from Saabs parts bin and its still rubbish isnt it? Maybe they should have asked Hyundai’s sub 15k car division to design a proper one for them? Seriously people, most of the comments on these forums are a direct result of nothing more than brand bias, plain and simple.
The falcon is a drivers car. Many drivers find illuminated steering controls annoying and slightly distracting aswell as unnecessary. In drive recently G6 was found to be both more economical and more enjoyable to drive than calais sidi.
The Aurion will DEFINITELY come last, as Car Advice castrated it for having bad dynamics in one of their earlier comparisons. The Maxima and Accord won’t fair so well either, since both have uninspiring dynamics. If Caradvice uses the G6ET for the comparison, then it will top comparison on performance alone. However, if the G6E is used, it’ll be a close call between the Falcon and the Commodore. As for the Superb, its combination of AWD and DSG may just pull it over the line.
Cool, be able to read how the aussie cars kicked,overhyped imports.
Yes cause they are the best in the world, that is why we import millions to the Japs and Germans.
So the most imports make the best car in the world,So by your logic,Corolla is the best car in the world.LOL
I’m being sarcastic you muppet
no your not.
it’s you’re, and yes I am
Go Ford,Go Holden, Long live the Big Aussie six !!!!!
That will have to be the Falcon only; the SIDI is designed in America.
Technically the grass roots of the Falcon 6 can be traced back to American straight 6 engines of the 1960’s so the Falcon’s engine is hardly “Australian” either.
Actualy it was co-designed by Cadillac and Holden, both here and in the states.
Well If your’e going to be fasecious then I guess ‘technically’ all engines can trace their roots back to the first ever person to describe such a device in detail who was actually an arab back in 1206, so theyre hardly australian, or american then are they?
1.Falcon
2.Accord(going on a previous comparo by CA)
3.Maxima(Value based and on equipment)
4.Skoda(just falls into this place)
5.Calais(due to dynamics but not a whole lot else)
6. Aurion(starting to lag behind even with the refresh).
Just my two cents worth.(BTW im a Holden fan just for everyones info)
One question to gromits dad. I’ve realised that TG UK like the Skoda’s as well but it doesnt seem that they have reviwed any yet. could you divulge any info about this.
Looking forward to the article.
It’s friday morning… Let’s see it……
This is a toughie … I reckon all the cars you’ve listed are pretty damn good.
Again.. really depends on the reviewer as to which car wins and what you value and prioritise.
If I was given any of those cars. ..i would be happy.
If I had to buy one – I would choose the …gawd. .that’s tough… umm, commodore, only due to it having a wagon version currently.
I’m ignoring the Falcon wagon and Superb wagon of course.
Tomas says “anyone with half a brain would expect the local product to win on local soil!! ”
mmmmmmmmmm ,yet you think the Skoda will win,what are you saying Tomas.
Can you ever make a comment Tomas without abuse ? Your so wound up !
No Dumbo, I’m saying Skoda should win (according to my criteria)!!
See the reply below and tell me what your dictionary has to say about irony, AC Cobra.
Should have written ‘above’, not ‘below’.
Yes predictable isnt he Golfschwien ,and recovers by back peddling ,that also is one of his traits !
Friday’s nearly over fellas, where’s the write-up. Looking forward to it.
Nothing wrong with the Aurion. It’s a very quick car (quicker than a Falcon due to superior power to weight) and also very refined. Tends to idle a bit high when cold, and torque steers a lot, noticeable when trying to accelerate through a bend. But to rate it last when it achieved Carsguide car of the year and some others, is a bit harsh. It’s a decent car.
Should add Camry, Accord Euro, Mazda 6, Liberty, Epica, Sonata, Mondeo,…
They are all mid sized and these are full sized large cars.
Hey CA, you should line them all up as they appear in the last photo and race them!
Not all that productive but great entertainment!(as a video, obviously)
While I’m at it my 2 cents for the review;
1.Falcon
2.Accord
3.Calais
4.Maxima
5.Aurion
6.Superb
It’s Friday, where is the review…
Argh I have been holding out all day!?!?!
ARRRGGGGHHHHHH.
So is the comparo coming out today ?
Why wait…? If you live in Sydney you could go down Auto Alley and test all of the cars yourself alot quicker than what it will take boys from CA to do it and write up the results.. same applies in other states around Oz
At least that way you will have personal experience on which to base your comments; when they eventually do post the results.. not just mis-guided opinion
Or you could read the review first then test the top three instead of wasting time driving around Sydney looking for dealers and testing six cars which you probably couldnt do properly in one day. If by Auto Alley you mean Parramatta Rd then that would cause severe brain damage as riding over that scarred road all day will cause you thinking box to rattle around inside your head all day
Is the comparo actually going to come up today. C’mon CA a lot of people are waiting.
Where is the review?
Coming which Friday?
CarAdvice you should make sure you meet deadlines! Everybody hates broken promises…
yeah – its like the little boy who cried wolf….
CA keep saying that the review is coming; but by the time it does arrive I suspect some people would have lost interest.
When is this review going to be available? They went from Friday to now just coming soon ?? So is christmas! lol
Was it someone’s birthday at CA and you folks forgot to post the large car comparison??
Cannot believe the idiocy I am reading, the Falcon to come first!? HAHA! Yeah, when hell freezes over.
Well we will never know by the looks of thing xD.
Why dont you enlighten us then oh wise-one, what doeth your crystal ball predict ?
Crystal ball!? I’m not a Gypsy, sorry to disappoint. I’m sure that it won’t be some two-bit Ford though.
I have a feeling you like cars that arent popular because that makes them more exclusive in your eyes.
Mind you thats the G6E Turbo in the picture. Its the most powerful, has the best gearbox, best handling and highest safety rating. Get off your high horse and maybe test drive one, instead of the inept front drivers. Mention a european car and all i can think of is high servicing costs, unavailability of parts and electronics frying in the intense heat (had a Peogeot for a few months, most unreliable car ive had). The Aussies are more refined than they were 10 years ago. Dont get me wrong the skoda is a “superb” car if your a backseat driver (As for handling, its a skoda who are you kidding??) but dont discount the aussies just because you had a bad experience in a taxi.
Im guessing
1. Ford
2. Skoda
3. Holden
4. Honda
5. Nissan
6. Toyota
“Mention a european car and all i can think of is high servicing costs, unavailability of parts and electronics frying in the intense heat.”
So your experience of a Peugeot is representative of all European cars? European cars are more expensive to service, and do have their fair share of problems. At the end of the day, however, the Falcon does not represent the epitome of reliability. Even if Ford parts are abundantly available, their service departments are incompetent at best.
“Dont get me wrong the skoda is a “superb” car if your a backseat driver (As for handling, its a skoda who are you kidding??”
Whilst Skoda hasn’t achieved BMW levels of driver satisfaction, it still holds its own when it comes to producing cars with a bit of dynamic flair. Witness the praise that has been heaped upon the Octavia RS, for testimonials as to how ignorant your comment is.
Just to be annoying I believe the Calais has the highest safety rating…. >_>
Both the Falcon and Superb have a 5-star ANCAP rating. I think the Commodore has recently achieved a 5 star rating as well.
You mention European cars being unreliable. Believe you me, I know quite a few people who own Australian built cars (falcons to be specific) and people that own European cars. I can tell you, the people that own the Falcons have had the most problems.
Also, the Falcon is the most hideous car on sale in Australia at the moment. The tacked on lower grille, the squinty headlights and overall bloatedness of the car looks cheap and nasty. Not the mention the interior, people rag on other cars for having poor interiors, the Falcon is just as bloody bad. The other thing, the wheels on this don’t even fit the arches properly, there is this wider gap lower down the arch, and more narrow gap at the very top.
Remember who owns Skoda and where they get all their technology, underpinnings and parts from.
As for power, Minnow. Wow a big 4.0L Turbo, I’d be pretty disappointed if the POS didn’t have the most power. So big surprise there.
Well said Martin. when I worked rental car in the UK, I ran a fleet of 250 cars, mixture of European and Japanese. With the exception of some makes like Citroen and Alfa ( which the company dumped) very few gave us any trouble.
Thats europe, they dont have the heat of Australia. A 4WD magazine had problems with the Discovery 3 here because the electronics died from the excessive heat. The Landcruiser soldiered on. Different climates, different countries different sides of the planet, you cant compare Australia to the UK.
Well said mate.
Martin, I think that is a little close-minded..Your response to an immature comment is nothing short of immature itself. This fanboy attitude of attacking other makes is getting a bit long in the tooth..
Give the keyboard back to Minnow now Crouchy!
To an extent, yes, I am a little closed minded about the Falcon. But until it looks visually pleasing inside and out to me, I can’t really take it seriously.
Minnow says:”Dont get me wrong the skoda is a “superb” car if your a backseat driver (As for handling, its a skoda who are you kidding??) but dont discount the aussies just because you had a bad experience in a taxi.”
The Scores say that the AWD Superb is significantly better handling then the Falcon, not to mention even the FWD Accord, and Maximas!!
So is the comparo next Friday Car Advice ? Bathurst this week and comparo next week ?
Over one hundred comments about a yet to be released comparison test ???
Has anyone noticed how many people have said the Falcon will win?? And Holden still sells twice as many Commodores every month? Surely there cant be THAT many taxis and cop cars out there….
anyway, since this comparo is already a weekend late, thought I’d contribute my 2 cents…..I’ve had the pleasure of testing all these cars over the past fornight (save for the Superb), and to be honest, I had the Maxima and the Falcon rate very highly on my list. My personal choice was the G6E, but my wife decided to go with the Maxima as she thought the paint finish and interior looked richer than the Falcon, as well as having more features….and she also loved “those tail lights”… :S
eagerly awaiting the results….. :D:D:D
What spec of the Maxima did you get?
Got a Champagne 350 ST-S :)
So CA are you reading all of these responces? It would be great to be updated on when we can now expect this article?????????
I rcekon they are sitting back, laughing and seeing how many more people they can bait by holding out.
Wow these cars are really in tight competition. I think people forget how well equipped the Maxima is for the money and it will do very well. Without Sidi the Calais would be sitting way at the bottom so it should be interesting how far it can drag its way up. Aurion will lose points for being too ‘plain’ and the Accord will be loved as usual. A fair review would see the Skoda nearing the top but favoritism will fix that.. my tip?
1. Accord
2. Falcon
3. Maxima
4. Calais
5. Aurion
6. Superb
This would have to be the first time I can recall that CA have missed a deadline that they said they would publish to. Can anyone at CA give us an update on when the comparo will be posted please ?
An update today CA? The article still says “For more, check back on Friday when the full details are revealed” at the end and it was published October 7, 2009 by Paul Maric.
I recon Ford will badge the Mondeo as a Falcon within 2 years. The Mondeo is probably a better car anyway and based on the fact that the majority of Drivers indeed the Public have little Knowledge of what is under the bonnet most would not know or indeed care. The Mondeo Wagon has just been released so Ford would not need to develope a Wagon. Most owners again don’t know the difference between Front and rear wheel drive and certainly don’t drive “10/10ths” as testers assume they do. It is also a fact that over 70% of cars on the road are front wheel drive so the majority of customers are already front drivers.
Harvey, Most people who choose a Ford/Commodore over a Mazda 6 or other FWD offering, is because they have a need to tow. Boats, caravans & kids. IMHO a FWD Mondeo “Falcon” would hand all this business from Ford directly to Holden. Maybe the Territory would sell more… maybe.
Edit: Only the Aurion is boring and bad handling, not the Calais.