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July 31, 2007 by George Skentzos
If you want a decent impression of what the base model Falcon may look like, look no further than this long wheel base Ford Mondeo which was spied in China recently.
For a comparison, here is the Mondeo (above, obviously) and a spy shot of the up and coming Orion. Note the matching wheels?
Source: MotorAuthority via SoulImage.cn
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It looks very good. I hope the Falcon looks like this
Anyone have a clue what a long wheelbase Mondeo is, as apposed to the ‘normal ‘length Mondeo?
A China special?
Its hard to tell really but from what I see of the Mondeo it looks like crap and if the Falcon looks like that, Id be disappointed! I remember seeing the computer generated pics and it looked decent, same with the FPV computer generated pics… hopefully it doesnt share heaps in common with it (side on at least)
Paul, i reckon it looks alright quite aston martin’ish actually.
onething for sure it looks better than any of its competitors it will face.
Haha well its hard to tell with that shot… the areas I fault are the foglights that area of white looks huge and the tail lights from what I can see. More pics wouldve been nice.
Just give me the Mondeo LWB thanks. Don’t even want to look at the new Falcon.
Well Paul, if it’s not a white Camry, then it’s nothing :P
YES Iam a Ford fan and it annoys me at the crap models they have and it went pear shaped with crappy designs since the AU was released in 1998. About dam well time that Ford has a decent car in the stable to sell. Classic lines and yes agree it does look Aston Martinish! Go FORD!
Aston Martinish?
ROFL
Are you guys on drugs? Seriously?
It is the new Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne taxi.
It will look like a slightly modified version of what is running around right now… don’t expect any great revelations… it is an Australian Ford Falcon.
Think bread and butter average Joe general transport slightly tarted up to look ‘flash’.
A rational sense of perspective please….
….ROFL…. Aston Martin…. LOL….
Aston Martin! LOL, you guys need to have your eyes checked. This LWB Mondeo is ugly.
[quote by Myke]Well Paul, if it’s not a white Camry, then it’s nothing]
Totally agree. For a style leader i certainly wouldn’t be choosing Toyota.
Paul…search the net for new mondeo pics, there’s plenty out to view.
I’m no so sure that the current camry is a better looker than the new mondeo, quite a stretch that one!
The LWB Mondeo does look good, but its roof line looks more swept than the current disguised Falcon. But it does give me the feeling that the Mondeo would eventually replace the Falcon. Lets hope it joins the Focus as a locally mode model.
Mondeo is FWD so I don’t think it will ever replace the RWD Falcon.
And why when we are aready getting the Mondeo as a mid-sizer.
“Mondeo is FWD so I don’t think it will ever replace the RWD Falcon.”
Don’t be so sure, with half the large aussie sedans being FWD now. Its clear this argument will mean nothing if the Orion/Falcon doesn’t sell. Maybe if we’re lucky we’ll see an AWD Mondeo to entice us :)
Downsizing is the current market trend, with fuel constantly moving up, more and more buys will look to smaller cars. Its unfortunate, but the demise of the I6 engine is a serious wake-up call.
The Falcon/Territory platform is still one of the top sellers in this country.
There is a huge market and loyal base for the Aussie designed rear driver so I don’t think your right in suggesting a solid product like falcon could be dropped for a car that in the past failed to sell well here.
Look at the news from Ford regarding the future development of the shared Mustang and Falcon platforms and the new V6 in it’s desiel and alternative fuel variants – Falcons future looks bright.
Adam the current camry looks decent mate, you cant fault it on that… its just got a crappy engine (in terms of performance).
As for Falcon being dropped, I wouldnt be so confident Blue Blood, not within the next 10 years obviously because the inline will be around for a coupla more then the V6, so they ahve short term plans. But beyond that I think it will come under threat, I read an article about the Territory and the Falcon in which Fords Australias boss prity much said that their models which aernt selling as well as others are going to come into trouble, especially with the fuel issue and he didnt rule out the Falcon when asked if it was that.
Paul…
I’m not surprised you think the camry looks better. But in my opinion and i’m sure many others too, the camry is not a better looking car, at least you can buy a sedan, hatch and wagon, unlike camry…
not to mention turbo, 4cyl petrol and diesel.
I’ll go out on a limb here and also say the mondeo would have a more rigid body than camry too, oh and it will also have far better handling dynamics than camry…
As for falcon being dropped, if the market shifts away from large RWD 6 cyl cars, Ford is ready for the shift.
And as i have pointed out to you numerous times, the current falcon 6 speed drinks no more fuel than aurion and if you believe official fuel ratings the 4 cyl camry is not much, if at all better. would that mean that Aurion and the like face a similar fate as commodore and falcon?
I could only see the Camry as a decent car in Aurion form. I don’t like the Camry’s fugly front grill and lights combo. Camry and Aurion both share the stupid looking jagged cornered bootlid aswell.
Unfortunately Blue Blood, Tom Gorman doesn’t appear to share you enthusiasm. I was watching him on skynews business just last month, and he didn’t want to speculate on the future of the Falcon passed its next release.
“the current falcon 6 speed drinks no more fuel than aurion”.
I don’t have the ADR figures for the Falcon 6 speed to hand. But I doubt it would be better than the Aurions 9.9lt/100. If you have the figures please post.
lazy bones,
official fuel figures for falcon………
10.2L yep only .3L more (not worth mentioning)
The I6 going means nothing. it is the most powerfull 6cyl in my mind. it actually polutes less than the V6 competition and gives same fuel consumption all when sporting an extra .5L displacement and i think 100kgs
camry better looking?????? turn it up!!!!!
the first front on shots of this certainly do show a bit of aston martin. this profile shows a similar roof line too i think. i dont mean the DB9 aston that is at the top of page but other mods. mondeo seems to share the typical oval shape grill of aston
Lazybones, if I didn’t know better I’d think you want the Oz Ford to fail with the Falcon and it’s restructuring – have some faith in Aussie engenuity.
Tom Gorman is a CEO not a sales man.
“Lazybones, if I didn’t know better I’d think you want the Oz Ford to fail with the Falcon and it’s restructuring”
Far from it mate i’m just too much of a realist, I have good friends who work for Ford. So my concern is for their jobs not the car. You should be glad to know Ford may well be on my next car shopping list :)
“Tom Gorman is a CEO not a sales man.”
And who do you think the sales people report to?
“The I6 going means nothing”
Tell that to the 600 people who just lost their jobs, and the 1000’s who love that engine.
QUOTE = The I6 going means nothing. it is the most powerfull 6cyl in my mind.
200kw Aurion vs 190kw Falcon…. in terms of POWER. Maybe tunnel vision?
QUOTE = I’m not surprised you think the camry looks better.
Ummm to you Adam and Andrew.M… please did I say look better? I said you cant fault it on its looks, its decent in Sportivo guise, you deny this then I maddas well go talk to the wall, it would be more contructive.
QUOTE = it actually polutes less than the V6 competition and gives same fuel consumption all when sporting an extra .5L displacement and i think 100kgs
Haha ’sporting’ ummm they aernt things to brag about being heavier and larger… yet having less power. And you mentioned in another article that the Falcon has better emissions, I let it slide, but no you are wrong the Aurion gets 233g/km compared to Falcon 255g/km. Now I know you mentioned it back their based on engine size, but unlike torque you cant just relate this to engine size, there are other factors such as power output… more power generally more emissions. On this basis the Aurion is better. An example of how I can manipulate stats…at the end of the day its better 233 vs 255.
QUOTE = Unfortunately Blue Blood, Tom Gorman doesn’t appear to share you enthusiasm. I was watching him on skynews business just last month, and he didn’t want to speculate on the future of the Falcon passed its next release.
Exactly. I read an article at carsguide somehwere and he prity much said this summarised “We are happy with how models such as the Focus are going, market is swinging to them… we are going to have to reconsider larger models in the near future which aernt doing well with sales… Im not going to comment on which ones (When asked directly about Falcon and Territory)”.
Paul,
well get your facts right on the emmissions level first.
the falcon is 243g/km not 255
yes it is also related to diplacement. why do small cars emmitt less? cause they have smaller motors.
Paul,
i think you have tunnel vision in terms of power. dont believe the “power” figure alone. they put that one out there for the simple people to get excited about.
i clearly said power in terms of even when it is under load. so put 3 people in the back of a aurion and 3 in the back of a falcon and see which one notices it more. or even take the caravan away in the aurion and then the falcon and then we will see if you think the aurion is more “powerfull”
oh yeah and lazybones, dont be so lazy.
go and read that no one is getting fired and ford has actually created more positions than they are losing. and you betcha those people will get first go at the new ones
Awaiting your reply Andrew.M…. lets see what you spin up this time.
Hey Im going to even do a pre-emtive strike, Im guessing your going to go on about how you just mentioned which one notices it more, well again I have something against that. Now the Falcon has more torque then the Aurion, we all know that. But what else does it have? More weight. Now torque is pulling power, the more of it, the less you would notice additional weight. So lets see the amount of torque to the weight of the actual car:
Falcon = 1735 / 380 = 4.57Nm per Kg
Aurion = 1630 / 336 = 4.85Nm per kg
So based on this, again its no suprise the Aurion does the 100 under load at the same time. Now again I can tell what youd say after this, that the Aurion doesnt reach its peak torque as low as the Falcon, in facts it reaches it at something like 4400RPM. To this you have to realise that they mention PEAK torque, Ive seen the Aurions torque curve a while back and although peak is at 4400RPM it has something like 90% from just as low as the Falcon coupled with more power.
“go and read that no one is getting fired and ford has actually created more positions than they are losing”
Sounds good Andy, care to provide some links for us all to read? since that does contradict what was posted on caradvice.com.au. Alborz take note :)
“so put 3 people in the back of a aurion and 3 in the back of a falcon and see which one notices it more”
You have evidence to back up this claim, or is this pure speculation?
No reply paul?
The reality is the way Aurion and falcon work in the REAL wolrd suggests there is no overwhelming benefit to owning the aurion over falcon.
They appear to be lineball in positives and negatives, so the spin that you Paul and Toyota puts out, would appear not that true at all.
Me, myself would prefer the falcon, why? it’s better handling, bigger, still has more outright power and has a better auto trans mission.
The aurion is more refined, quieter, but this could change very much come Ford new 08 falcon.
Lazy bones…
Ford will be employing more people come 2011, then letting people go once the engine plant shuts down.
Sorry if this not clear to you considering the media releases that have been available to read.
They will hire 600 people for focus and then you have the extra employment for suppliers also.
Also, the falcon and commodore are bigger width wise than the Aurion, thats fact, you don’t believe that? look the specs up on Toyotas and Fords websites, i’m tired of having to provide proof to people who don’t know this information.
Paul, I had a go at you last time about the whole Prius vs Hummer thing, but you just made a fool of yourself again:
“Falcon = 1735 / 380 = 4.57Nm per Kg
Aurion = 1630 / 336 = 4.85Nm per kg”
Hilarious.. what you’ve worked out is kg/Nm not the other way, so you just showed the Falcon has more torque/kg (just under 1%, so pretty close I admit).
HOWEVER, add 500kg to the weights of each the cars (might be towing a trailer), and redo your calculations:
Falcon = 2235 / 380 = 5.88kg per Nm
Aurion = 2130 / 336 = 6.34kg per Nm
That’s an 8% difference, and demonstrates why a falcon is a much better under load than an Aurion. The Aurion is much more easily affected by an increase in load when compared to a Falcon. BTW I’m looking forward to you digging yourself out of this one!
Paul…
Want to have a good read of this article?
http://carsguide.news.com.au/
It appears your WRONG Paul…surprise…
Now if/when commodore/falcon become irelevant, aurion will be in the same boat…
Paul, I’m still waiting for that reply!! I’m guessing you’ve finally realised how stupid you were to comment on something you didn’t know anything about (AGAIN).
JBOT – The Falcon L6 engine is easily the best towing engine in any Australian manufactered vehicle so no arguement here from me.
However, the Falcon and Commodore are also the worst quality locally manufactuered vehicles and quality, reliability and dependability is a strength of Toyota’s that has consistantly and constantly trumped that of Holden and Ford for generations.
The Aurion to me is a very refined, smooth, quiet, quality car that is powerful yet frugal that also has respectable road manners and not doubt enough towing capability for most light – medium loads.
Yes the Falcon is a GREAT TOWER but those customers that tow heavy loads on a regular basis usually opt for a 4×4 instead of a passenger vehicle.
Remember that leaked Australian Quality Survey about 2/3 months ago… or have you conveniantly forgotten about that – well the Falcon was rated DEAD LAST with the Commodore a very close SECOND LAST while the Camry (what the Aurion is based on) was rated way up the list at second position behind the Maxima. Lets not also forget that the Aurion also bettered the new much overhyped VE in the latest round of NCAP testing so these strenghths WILL appeal to a market.
The biggest complaint of the Falcon is not it’s handling nor torquey engine but the fact that it’s quality and reliability is very poor compared to ALL of it’s competitors something that the Aurion TRUMPS the Falcon on. Being a Toyota – i reserve little doubt that the Aurion will prove to be an extremely RELIABLE, DEPENDABLE AND DURABALE family hack well suited for those who opt to purchase it.
If i was in the market for a large car, then it would defantly be the Aurion because of it’s values.
QUOTE = Paul, I had a go at you last time about the whole Prius vs Hummer thing, but you just made a fool of yourself again
I made a fool of myself ‘again’? Lets recap on the Prius vs Hummer argument again, for starters I agreed with you and was the one who eventually found a link conclusively proving mine and your point…. And then secondly I was the one who at the conclusion had people stating; “I would also like to thank you for your professional discussion Paul” while your attitude was far from professional, much like your last comment here which I will address further down. Go have another look if your memory is fading:
http://www.caradvice.com.au/37.....nds-prius/
QUOTE = HOWEVER, add 500kg to the weights of each the cars (might be towing a trailer), and redo your calculations:
Falcon = 2235 / 380 = 5.88kg per Nm
Aurion = 2130 / 336 = 6.34kg per Nm
That’s an 8% difference, and demonstrates why a falcon is a much better under load than an Aurion. The Aurion is much more easily affected by an increase in load when compared to a Falcon. BTW I’m looking forward to you digging yourself out of this one!
Now Im not sure if its selective quoting or whether you legitimately missed my previous link on this subject:
“Our testing showed that the Aurion was as quick as the XR6 with six-speed auto, matching the 9.5 seconds in our 0 to 100kmh test”
http://www.drive.com.au/Editor…..isonID=737
Now Im sure your wandering why the acceleration is so slow, because they used a real world example. If my memory serves me correctly, it was 4 adults in the car at th time and a full tank of petrol. So even if they are small men your talking about a total of 280kg (70×4) extra and 70kg or so of fuel which has had no effect at all on acceleration.
QUOTE = Paul…
Want to have a good read of this article?
http://carsguide.news.com.au/
It appears your WRONG Paul…surprise…
Please how am I wrong? Because I stated what has been reported… Fords boss was fueling speculation. Ever heard of the saying… don’t shoot the messenger? ;). Your own article posted reaffirms that I was hardly talking hot air
“Speculation grew when Ford Australia president Tom Gorman announced during a press conference, the decision to build Focus in Australia from 2011 giving the company the opportunity to “walk away from” less profitable segments.”
QUOTE = Paul, I’m still waiting for that reply!! I’m guessing you’ve finally realised how stupid you were to comment on something you didn’t know anything about (AGAIN).
You give yourself to much credit, I have been busy. Firstly I provided you previously and now for the second time with a conclusive example of the lack of difference between the Falcon and Aurion when it comes to flat out acceleration (Ease of towing I would say the Falcon has the Aurion… but as has been stated a million times if your towing your avg trailer or boat the Aurion can do it, maybe not so effortlessly, but its more then competent). Secondly you say “again” as I just stated in the Prius case I was the one who linked everyone to the answer where I was right in that the study was false in suggesting the Prius was worse then the Hummer environmentally.
Dingo, I don’t remember even saying that I thought the Falcon was the better car. Just wanted to point out that Paul was wrong in relation to towing…
Yes Jbot well Im waiting your reply still… you’ve hardly proved I was wrong in regards to towing. I wont deny the Falcon can tow alittle more and even with slightly more ease… but the whole issue is this idea that the Aurion would struggle, which given comparisons with the Falcon which is arguably the benchmark this is false. The Aurions 336Nm is more then enough to tow a boat or a trailer… the same applications as any Falcon owner would employ their vehicle for.
“Yes Jbot well Im waiting your reply still…”
???? This was your first reply to what I’ve said on this post!!
Also, when towing my boat (approx 750kg) there is certainly a noticable difference in the ease with which the Falcon tows when compared to a SV6 Commodore (which has similar torque to the Aurion).
Finally, the Aurion WOULD STRUGGLE under the loads the Falcon can tow (hence the 2300kg (falcon) to 1600kg (aurion) braked towing capacity). The Aurion would cope fine towing low loads or loading up the boot, however its fuel economy would be more affected than that of the falcon (this is one reason why a lot of people find the aurion fuel economy to be similar to the falcons in real world conditions).
Paul,
1. for your information i got the co2 figures from red book the same place you supposively got yours and its also interesting that from red book even though you keep calling it 380nm its actually 383nm so dont critisize my facts when it appears you are the one in the wrong….check it out…..and this is from your source…..
http://www.redbookasiapacific......y=TOYO06KM
2. you have not gotten me on torque. i still maintain you dont know about torque. how do you say the aurion is just as adequate to tow a caravan or boat or whatever? HOW DO YOU KNOW? ok then how come toyota admits the aurion can tow 700kgs less than the falcon?
#1.HAVE YOU EVER TOWED ANYTHING (YES OR NO)
#2.HAVE YOU EVER TOWED AT LEAST 3/4 TON (YES OR NO)
if you answer no to either of those questions then not another word about torque from you. you see you derive your comments from text books assuming they are right without ever experiencing it in the real world
3. i couldnt be bothered navigating around so could you please point out where it says they test cars with people in the back (not doubting you just curious) any way all this proves is that the extra 10kw that toyota (and yourself) sprook about doesnt look like its there
4.oh yeah i love your pre-emtive strike too. did you forget you were in the kamakizie squad? hey i wouldnt rub it in but the way that you always go “in your face” with that sort of stuff must have embarrased yourself? hey?
lazy bones,
do you really want me to post links to the articles? Really? really really?
well ill find them but it might embarass you so just say the word and i shall share them with you.
maybe you should stop reading headlines and read the full body of the articles and other related articles and not just the “breaking news” ones. how about you go back to the first breaking news article and see how many people complained the article as a load of rubbish (your mate alborz will back me up there) and then ask me for some guidence to the “truth articles”
hey that ought to get rid of that stupid smiley face you posted at me.
Dingo, just a couple of notes, of course the falcon and commy would be the worst of the locals because they are the only locals (apart from mitsu and the newer mod toyotas)
the aurion isnt tested yet and the previous camrys quality wasnt that great either and i can tell you that first hand as there was 2 of those in the family with 1 being the sportivo variant the other the altise. also the toyotas always used to be a hell of a lot dearer to fix dont know if they still are though to be fair. (like hondas too)
also i wouldnt say most people that tow use a 4×4 either. i do see a lot of fairmonts and falcon utes towing.
i have a falcon ute and tow about a ton behind me every single day. my mate has a brand spanker toyota hilux 4×4TDI for the same application and i can say mine tows just a bit better than his when it comes to hills. needless to say the 2.4L hilux he had before that needed lower than 1st gear to get up hills.
jbot – show me were i said the Aurion is a better car.
Also… in the REAL WORLD – one of the most often complaints directed at the Falcon is it’s heavy fuel consumption. I very close mate of mine and his wife are die hard Ford loyalists but just recently sold thier Falcon because it drank like a moose. Regardless, the Aurion will often be a more frugal vehicle to own.
I posted above at August 5 2007 @ 4:54 pm. I have no doubt the Aurion would have to work harder, it does have less torque, its peak is higher and yes its rated lower… but as the links I have showed demonstrate under the conditions most if not all people would encounter (small trailers, medium sized boats) the Aurion can still handle them. I know this because my family has had many boats… ages back we use to tow a 700kg or so fibreglass boat with a crappy Pintara which has a wopping 160Nm and more recently we have towed a 800kg tiny with a 95 Falcon which yes is a step up however looking at its specs only has 20Nm or so more then the Aurion and 40kw less! But seriously quoting maximum loads you dont think the Falcon would struggle big time lugging around 2300kg!!! And that kinda of weight is caravan territory, in which case youd be crazy not to use a Diesel not to mention 4WD. The point, for practical purposes… not a massive difference between the Aurion and Falcon in terms of what they can tow comfortably.
How many times does it have to be said??
The aurion drinks as much as a falcon in the real world…
Paul did you get a chance to read the link i posted above which contradicted what you said??
Paul when are also going to learn you don’t just look at power and torque figures, you look at how/when the power/torque is produced…
I’m dying to see Toyota produce a RWD car equivalent to a falcon or commodore, just to see if Toyota could REALLY match them…i have a feeling they would produce a less efficient class contender, maybe thats why they don’t?
QUOTE = Paul did you get a chance to read the link i posted above which contradicted what you said??
Yes I posted a reply, for some reason people cant see it… here is what I said in regarsd to your article:
“Please how am I wrong? Because I stated what has been reported… Fords boss was fueling speculation. Ever heard of the saying… don’t shoot the messenger? Your own article posted reaffirms that I was hardly talking hot air
“Speculation grew when Ford Australia president Tom Gorman announced during a press conference, the decision to build Focus in Australia from 2011 giving the company the opportunity to “walk away from” less profitable segments.””
QUOTE = Paul when are also going to learn you don’t just look at power and torque figures, you look at how/when the power/torque is produced…
Yes I know mate… your giving me a headache!!! Way above I posted a link about a practical test, loaded Falcon vs loaded Aurion (4 adults and a full fuel trank… so your talking about at the very least 300kg or so of extra weight)…. both acclerate in the same times. So the Aurion really must struggle…
QUOTE = I’m dying to see Toyota produce a RWD car equivalent to a falcon or commodore, just to see if Toyota could REALLY match them…i have a feeling they would produce a less efficient class contender, maybe thats why they don’t?
And you base this on what? The Aurion has a derivative of a top 10 engine of the year. Lexus have a RWD platform that can hardly be faulted. Somehow I think they would be far better, you cant really do any worse then the VE Commodore and the Falcon isnt all that great.
Paul…jeez you can spin, you studying journalism?
Yes, speculation…you used this speculation to support your argument that Falcon/commodore are on there last legs…you took one article and used it as an example to support your irelevant argument. like i have done in kind reply…
You know this.
here we go again…Lexus…wake up! and i’m giving u a headache??
Lexus is a jag, BMW etc competitor…god that yet?? NOT a falcon/commodore.
Also, Lexus still can’t make a Lexus RWd platform outhandle it’s primary compeition!
Now, let me say this once more…falcon/commodore RWD platform is the best handling/value for money platform that you can get anywhere in the world.
Without the use of a world adapted platform…
As for Lexus based eingine in aurion…yeah your right…pity it can’t outdo Ford outdated inline 6 engine or trans mission, how i remind you lexus uses an inferior auto compared to the ZF unit…so either you can build Toyota models up by relating them to lexus or you can dumb lexus down by relating them to toyotas…which is it?
Hahahah Aurion/Lexus engine is inferior to the I6. Was the Falcons I6 voted Wards Top 10 engines? NO. So stop YOUR speculating. As for the transmission, the 6 speed found in the Aurion and Lexus is quite good, sure the ZF is slightly better but you can hardly fault it.
As for relating to Lexus, my point was if you werent so thick to look beyond it, is that Toyota is smarter… RWD is inferior to FWD for normal applications. As Im sure your aware now it is a less efficient platform. That is why they have differentiated your affordable Aurion in FWD to your sportier Lexus with RWD (which consumers demand because of its performance orientated perceptions). And really I dont know why I get lured into this, who gives a flying fark about your assumptions if the Aurion is RWD, fact is in FWD its a class leader taking out the large car of the year award by NRMA & Co.
Oh you dodged using the speculation article…how about you start using some facts and real world info, instead speculation.
umm no Paul the aurion engine can’t outdo the inline 6 engine completely…Wards awards use engines on sale worldwide! hence you would never find the inlin 6 in Wards…
No need to speculate…the real world use proves it.
Oh, the ZF is better, but not much…so it’s not as good? correct? my god Ford using a world class auto!?
whats going on! it should be Toyota right? WRONG! they use asin autos, cheaper.
RWD is NOT inferior to FWD in Aussie conditions, do you think Toyota AUS would use a RWD platform if they could? u betcha!
RWD can be tuned for finer handling dynamics than FWD.
lexus uses RWD as they have to compete with, what for it…BMW, MERC, NOT ford and holden…gasp.
They tried FWD and failed.
performance orientated perceptions!? my god…i’ve heard it all.
Even Infiniti, a division of Nissan uses RWD, like mazda RX8 etc, why Paul? or an MX5…are they just sports orientated through perception?? do tell old wise one…
an award by NRMA? thats NSW right? not national twit!
and co? who exactly?
ever wonder why the elctronic nanies are set so low for trigger in Toyotas? becasue there basic vehicle dynamics suck! a bigger heavier ford territory can outhandle safely a kluger…
when Toyota can make either a RWD or FWD car handle, which ties in with safety, let me know and i’ll be the first to buy the best car from the best manufacturer in the world…
when you stop replying i take it u have the answers your after.
paul,
you are just a “text book know all” i think you need to live a bit before you can offer your heartfelt assumptions. if you cant google it or wiki it you are stuffed.
did you check out that link i gave you to find that even when we pull the facts from the same source you are still wrong? anyway red book isnt gospel. they are a GUIDE and do no testing of their own. so even if i did get my facts from ford they would hold a little more weight. i can actually point out a factual error in redbook if you like.
you say it all when you say the aurions V6 is a derivitive, meaning not actually on the list.
adam said my next bit when he said the list comes from world wide available engines. australia is never considered in those sort of things.
dont start on the I6 again either, or if you do could you please start with a list of black and white advantages that the Aurion V6 has over the falcon I6……
ok paul if the FWD is so much more efficient how come we are not seeing it?
oh yeah could you point out where it says they test 0-100 times with 4 adults in the car (not having a go im just curious)
My PC is down and Im not in an ideal location to type up a length reply, for now all Im going to say there are a million things which I intend to pick up on from your posts. As a teaser, Adam mate you talk about speculation yet your the one who is saying a RWD Aurion would be inferior to a Falcon, speculation? Honestly only one word comes to mind, idiot. As for Andrew, yes I do rely on other materials, tell me how does an engineer learn his job? Or a mechanic? This may come as a suprise but educated people learn from other sources. And to both of you mentioning real world, obviously you’ve neglected the link I posted in regards to Torque, there is a real world… no difference. Meanwhile all I hear form you guys is anything but realworld or researched facts…”Its better cos I say it is”. Very credible.
Adam…
I provided what Fords Boss said, he created speculation, I was just the messenger.
As for Wards, fact is the inline hasnt come in the top 10… if it was such a great unit it would be considered for world wide production. It isnt.
FWD argument, no, FWD is more efficient and above all understeer is regarded as easier to handle then oversteer for your average driver.
As for electronics, no they are set lower because their market isnt reckless drivers. The IS350 on the other hand and no doubt those performance orientated Lexus’ coming to Aus soon have a stability control system called ‘Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management’, essentially it gives the driver more ability and is regarded by some as one of the best systems going around.
As for safety and all, yes and when Ford and Holden offer the refinment, quality and reliability of Toyota I will consider them. Im thinking this is going to take a long time however.
Andrew…
As I said generally you gain knowledge by reading.
Stop thinking fuel efficiency. FWD is more efficient… you have less in the drivetrain. So the power from the engine gets to the wheels via less. You think this isnt as efficient? Hopefully you have some common sense.
I have nothing to hide… it was under the Fords review:
“In Drive’s acceleration test (unlike enthusiast magazines, which try to extract the best figures possible from a car, we like to find the real world, worst-case scenario) with four people on board and up a slight hill, the XR6 went from a standstill to 100kmh in 9.5 seconds, a full second quicker than the Commodore SV6.”
So yeah it was also up an inline, so more load…. yet same acceleration as the Aurion. Still saying the Falcon vs Aurion has a “huge” difference under load?