Interesting comment Andrew, one which pretty much every automotive engineer would disagree with. You cannot make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. The chassis is the foundation of the handling of a car!
Lotus, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche…do you think any of their doors creak (like the VN-VS did) when they drive one wheel up a kerbed driveway?

Oz said:
“Robert, 415KW? – THAT’S NOTHING FOR A TUNED CAR!

Have you herd the F6 Typhoon can exeed 1000HP? So I can have the 1000HP FPV and you have your 415KW HSV.”

Isn’t that completely academic since the gearbox and diff would explode after a week?

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Good luck and enjoy your new drive.

Andrew resides in QLD,poor boy,Im still waiting to pick him up at the airport.

Wheelnut has seen the light and moved to where all the money and action now is!

As I have said previously ANCRAP don’t test the safety of a particular mode of car they test the safety oftest 5 randomly selected cars of a particular model

Which when you consider the total number of cars of that particular model are sold over the life of that car its such a low percentage that it its really insigfnificant..

Even more so when you consider that ANCrAP don’t take into account various other factors such as weather conditions road surface and driver reactions etc….
no two crashes are exactly the same.

I mean the car they used in the ANCrAP test may have failed however your car of the exact same model may have passed, However ANCrAP and the Media manipulte and exptrapolate the results to make it sound as though every car of that Model would be the same

In the same way that just because you have heard about a number of V? Commodores that have had some sort of problem doesn’t necessarily mean that all V? will have the same problem..its more likely that a batch of a few 100 cars have the same problem – so the overall percentage can’t be that great otherwise people would have stopped buying commodores all together wouldn’t they?
[same thing applies to the Falcon]

Commodores and Falcons have both been around for over 30 years giving the Average Australian a practical safe well built RWD family sedan [on a budget] that is designed engineered and built in Australia to deal with the Australian environment etc..

They are also reliable proven by the fact there are so many of them that are over 10-15 years old still on our roads some have been turned into “street machines” however there are a considerable number of them in “factory” form.

What all ten (VS Commodore’s) have bad quality or/and relaibility issues? If so could you name the issues they have or had.

Im not doughting that there is nobody that has reliability problems/issues with VS’s, I’m just saying I know a few people who have reliable VS Commodore. One bloke I know drives his VS Commodore, over 100km one way to work and another 100km back again everyday and no problems. The only problem his had so far reliability wise is that the headlights went. But there fixed now.

I believe that the Holden Commodore definitely has better reliability and quality under the bonnet (mechanically) than it does with interior quality which I think everybody agrees. But saying that the Holden Commodore’s interior is definitley not the best quality but it’s nowhere near the worst.

P.S. Just wondering Andrew M, what car do you drive daily?

I could probably count up about 10 people who i know have had or still have VS’s.

after seeing that many, i would really love to see the examples you call to be good quality…..
maybe its both of our opinions of good quality that vary

should have read entire range from VN to VS was crap and just fell apart.

i know a stack of VS owners especially and every one had a mountain of problems”

^^^^^^^^Really Andrew M, I know a fare few people that have had very reliable VS Commodores.

P.S. There must be dodgy commodores in Western Austrlia then! (joke). I live on the opposite side of Australia.

The HSV GTS manual was tested on 06/07 and the auto was tested on the 10/06

leads to another possible reason ..Depending in whether or not the car was a sereis 1 model which would have been released 1 month after the Holden range; or if it was an HSV updated model.

If it was a Series 1 – by the time of the test everything should have been loosened up. Yet because as you illuded to the Manual was slower makes me think it was an updated model and so would have been rather tight

Whereas the Auto most likely a prototype – as at the time of the test Holden were just starting to get in the full swing of production. Therefore it probably had a few 1000ks on it and was a lot looser than the manual.

Remember in a recent issue of Motor they tested a VL Walkie a VE Clubbie a BF Cobra and an XC Cobra

Whilst the BF Cobra did well it couldn’t really match the Clubbie or VL mainly because the car was only a couple of weeks old and hadn’t loosened up yet.. and Manufacturers tell you no to go flat out until it loosens up after about 5000ks.

If they had done the test about now I’m sure the BF Cobra would have been alot closer.

Thats the problem with tests in Car Magazines because they’re new cars readers want the tests to take place ASAP following a release.. not giving the car enough time to loosen up..
So on its first outing the performance figures are usually quite poor.. But on it’s 2nd or 3rd Appearance against a newer rival they usually improve.

should have read entire range from VN to VS was crap and just fell apart.

i know a stack of VS owners especially and every one had a mountain of problems

The engine/gearbox is still fine but A/C is stuffed, power-steer squawks a bit on full lock, runs like crap on fuel (dirty injectors) but fine on gas, lots of little things, that aren’t worth spending money on to fix.

I’m guessing if it were an EA it wouldn’t have lasted this long with the treatment it gets.

But I know I don’t have too! Cause I care for her!!!

Brett he takes her to her max to prove a point one of which he is yet to prove…………she don’t break!