2.well you finally see my point on fuel efficiency. thank you and i point out that the falcon 4.0L also pollutes a fair bit less when approached from the same angle.
power isnt always a trade off with efficiency. a great example is putting on a better exhaust, more power and you will actually use less fuel. also how come the move from BA to BF saw a power increase yet a fuel consumptipon decrease?
also i dont rate the most powerfull car in terms of the power figure they love to splash out with. the most powerfull car has to have the ability to sustain the power under load aswell. aka pulling power i suppose (somewhere where the toyota suffers).

just like a running race. you have to have stamina aswell or you only look good for a little bit

3. tread doesnt do shit for dry grip!!!! ok then why do race vehicle, drags and circuit racing run slicks??????? gee its a wonder they stay on the track you reckon? pffft tread is for a compromise when it rains
once again you have taken me out of context. i have never said RWD grips better than FWD in normal conditions. i simply commented on the observations that rears on FWD dont wear and simply applied the theory no wear = no grip
go drive some go carts too and you will learn how the RWD helps them turn better under acceleration. they pretty much wont turn unless you put some gas in to them.

4. the thing im getting at with fleet sales is it doesnt matter…. sales are sales….
now would you cop that the mazda actually outsells the corolla when you only consider private sales. yep so as far as you are concerned the corolla isnt the biggest seller is it?

last bit.
well landcruiser best in class for price?
well hilux and landcruiser are prob the worst value for money in their class.
yep most people will tell you the partol is actually better off road. they have had coil overs for a long long time giving them better flexibility over the toyota leafs.
well it wouldnt be landcruiser against territory it would be landcruiser against explorer. cause the landcruiser isnt australian either ford also can draw from its over seas bank.
i do agree though in that i dont know why either ford or holden dont care about 4wd’s here.maybe they see them dying i dont know (even though its just a case of importing them like toyota does) especially when the explorer is i believe the biggest seller by far over there

2. Haha well done, you could say in those terms the I6 is better… but we all know the trade off of performance is fuel efficiency, so Toyota to get that 3.5L V6 to have more power then Fords 4L I6 have had to per L reduce its efficiency. But I think you will find that Toyota didnt just say its the most fuel efficient, they also mentioned the fact that it returns better efficiency while having more power.

3. Tread pattern does effect dry grip to mate, maybe not alot… but it does. Anyway it all started from your lack of rear grip thing, you know its wrong now… FWDs have no real issues with a lack of rear grip.

4. Haha I said ‘something like’, 60% sounds better but eitherway its nowhere near the 88% and 81% of Ford and Holden. As for competing sales and all that… as I said its really hard to say its a better product because it sells more then a foreign product isnt it, of course the local will get more sales. Eg the Mihandra pik up, very popular in India, not even considered by anyone in Australia.

As for the last bit, are you FOR REAL!!! Alot of our arguments are questionable, and can go eitherway… but Toyotas 4WDs lacking offroad ability? How about class leading for their price!!! The Landcruiser is one of the most popular 4WDs worldwide based on its offroad capabiltiies, particularly the troop carrier version. And you dont have to look far for reviews on other Toyota 4WDs such as the Prado which also get favourable results. Id like to see a Prado + Landcrusier up against Ford Australias best the Territory!!! And this leads to another point, I find it funny that being a land with wide expanses of outback that the local brands Ford and Holden dont offer true 4WDs, thats almost criminal!