New 2008 Ford Falcon Orion Computer Generated Pictures
13 Jul, 2007
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The Herald sun have been hard at work over the last week, first it was the leaked photos of the new Series III Mitsubishi 380 Sedan, and now, the Herald has published photos of the new Ford Falcon:
The Herald Sun claims that these computer generated images were disposed of after an FPV meeting, soon before being stumbled upon by an eager reader.
If this is true, the production version, which is set to hit showrooms early next year (probably in time for the Melbourne Motor Show - March), may very well be near identical to what you are seeing now.
Click for larger image. FPV F6 Typhoon
Click for larger images. FPV GT
Click for larger image. FPV GT-P
Images show the GT and GT-P from Ford’s performance stable, FPV, along with images of the F6 Typhoon.
Comparing these to our spy photos of the Falcon GT, there is a very noticeable resemblance.
The computer generated images sourced by the Herald Sun show what is most probably an early design of the Orion. Our spy photos and sources indicate the upper models - such as the FPV GT-P (pictured) - will feature Xenon headlights, cross-drilled and slotted brakes, along with new wheels.
A stripe package will also probably remain for the Orion Falcon, considering the big uptake of the option on B-series FPV GTs and GT-Ps.
Ford Australia have declined to comment on the images, stating that they are simply pretty images and that we should all wait until the final product is released. One thing is for certain though, all the publicity is revving up fans of the blue oval marque.
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
I am a lookin and I’m a likin!
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Yep totally agree Blue Blood ! Like it alot!
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
I think the VE Commodore is going to have a big big big fight on its hands. Ford have built this to kill the “1 billion dollar” VE Commodore, and I bet it cost 1/2 the price to make!
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
I must admit, I am a Holden man but this looks AWESOME! Let’s hope it’s a winner for Ford.
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Yeah it looks amazing but i wonder how the FPV F6 Typhoon will act if ford goes for the V6 engine from Europe. Also i hope they have touched up there V8 they are a long way off the Commodores V8.
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
They found the pics at the TIP by a cars guide fan really,how lucks that!!!!!!
Looks great .
BIG wing looks interesting ?
Cars guide will have more pics tomorrow .Looking foreward to it!
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
if (big if, i hope) they do go to v6, they might single or even twin turbo it like noble did with there performance cars.
The car looks stunning, makes holdens billion dollar baby look weak, lets hope ford have worked on there v8s, and have researched the audi v8s, and we smoke the holdens
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Not so sure about the black, looks a bit VE GTS to me. And then with white & black it looks like a panda!
I was expecting a bit more mondeo in the design, But overall the new shape looks pretty mean.
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
I like the black plastic leading down from the headlights, resembles the R35 GTR Proto. This is a far edgier design than the camoflage mules let on, i just hope they ditch the GT stripes or go for something a bit more subtle, they cheapen the effect.
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I hope they don’t go for a V6, the inline six is a fantastic engine.
However Ford has developed a V6 twin turbo for the Lincoln in US with 300+Kw and the new code named Hurricane V8 being developed in the US is rumoured to 6 or 7 litres but not due til 2009-10.
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Im not a big fan of the black plastic, but the overall package looks pretty darn good.
And no the GT stripes should stay but instead of stickers they should be painted on ala original GT’s, otherwise anyman and his dog can get stickers to put on XR’s and Fairmonts. But im very interested to see what this cobra is they’re about to announce. It’s intriguing
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July 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
I am unsure on the stripes,there an option anyway I thought, $800.00.
Colours will be interesting ? Lets hope they don’t ditch the popular ones like they did with the other earlier models. Why they did it I have no idea.
Blood orange was the most popular colour and they ditched it,for an orange with metalic in it,yuk!
As much as like subtle looking cars Ford will have to offer a hero looking car.
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July 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
haaa… It looks GREAT. I think it looks awsome and i hope Ford has a blinder with it.
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July 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Yep, i like the front and rear lights much better than the commodore, the ford 6-cylinder job will be much better than holdens dated version as well
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July 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
this car is SWEET. the tail lights are so good. these are much better pictures then the ones that wheels did. i do hope they keep the 4.0l i6 that is such a great engine.
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July 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
looks like they put the duel exhaust in the GT this time apart from the mags what is the difference between the GT and the GT-P
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July 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Remeber these are computer generated concepts so the finished product may still hold some surprises.
I have no doudt this was orchestrated by Ford for a response, is a late 2007 surprise launch possible, who knows?.
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July 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
WOW! Amazing stuff, to beat the brilliant (but now dated BA/BF), is something of a hard task, but they nailed it with this ripper, picture it next year wrapped in 888 racing’s Vodafone colour scheme! In V8 guise with some more herbs under the bonnet, which will happen, move over VE!
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July 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
No, apart from a slightly slimmer grill and slimmer tailights you can see where the BF series 2 comes into play. It looks as though even the xr series will have the standard falcon lights setup when the xr’s were ressessed. Also remember that Holden has near perfect front and rear weight distribution so there is no way ford can get the orion to equal or better that aspect using a platform designed for the 1998 AU Falcon. So that is where the $500,000 less invested will really show up. The AU will haunt ford for another decade it looks like because of the cost cutting in developing a all new update not a all new car.
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July 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
What is this billy guy on about. The outputs of Fors’d V8’s are basically the same of that of Holden’s new 6 litres (unless you get a Fairmont V8 or XT base ect.) but the XR8 is only 10kw off the mark, it is just substantially smaller and a lot more technologically advanced. But just so he knows, the Orion XR* is set to use the GT’s 290kw engine so Holden are in definite trouble. Just wait for the FPV, I’ve heard rumours of 325-335kw!
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July 13th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Johnno the BA/BF is also based on the au falcon, and even now, the VE is only just beating the falcon in comparsions, so there is really nothing wrong with that platform, the only reason holden spent a billion dollars the VE is because opal had not developed the chassis, which underpin very commodore before the VE, and yet is only just the falcon right now, and still now the falcon is the better handling than VE by most car mags.
so with improvements with orion platform the falcon will equal or even beat the VE.
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July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
It will look like a whale shark in the rear vision mirror, like it will eat anything in front of it, just needs some bucked teeth like in the movie ‘Cars’… i wonder if the Force models will come back. I think all they need to do with the force models is paint the black plastic with body colour, remove the rear spoiler and wallah! a force 6 and 8. And imagine what the V8supercar will look like!!! And i love the rear end! i hope those are LED’s
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July 13th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
OMG That is wicked! 2008 is going to be a great year for Ford I can just see it! Also remember that the SuperRoo is going to make a comeback as well. But I think it will be reserved for special edition models or something along those line. LOVE THE BLACK INSERTS!! This is designing!! GO FORD!!
(side issue: the Anti-spam word for my post was HSV!)
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July 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
vodafone ford on front page of v8 supercar magazine now. looks nice.
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July 13th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
go the new ford and lowndesey.
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July 13th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Looks sick! Cant wait for better pics!
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July 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
The black plastic between the headlight and the foglight looks ummmmm stupid. Apart from that it looks good.
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July 14th, 2007 at 12:44 am
I like it.
I hope Ford keep the Barra L6 engine and add mabey a few more kw, maby just to 200 or 205. Also i hope the XR8 does get the current 290 Barra engine and the FPV GT’s get a 320+ engine. On the L6 topic, i dont think they will change it this time due to the overwhelming praise the engine gets. The only time they will change it is if the emissions laws get alot stricter beyond Ford ability to keep the engine within them, or if they are going to export to Europe (Unlikely).
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July 14th, 2007 at 12:56 am
The New Falcon will need to make the 6 speed ZF transmission standard across the range (even E-GAS). Forget the 4 speed and 5 speed auto’s, keep the ZF. Get rid of the XT and make the Futura the base model called G6.
The New Falcon will need to make the E-GAS option across the range (XR6, XR6T, XR8 (yeap the eights as well), Ghia) and so forth. It would be ideal that the FPV’s also have E-GAS as an option (E-GAS FPV GT mmmm….. where do I sign)? How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon?
The New Falcon should be easy to fix and maintain, engine bay to be large to work on it. Engine parts and bay, some important underpinnings (underneath car) should be metal, not plastic.
The New Falcon interior windows especially front and rear inside should be easy to clean.
The New Falcon requires improved reliability, quality, economy and performance.
The current Falcon range is tooooo expensive. They should include on road costs. Base to be $32990 drive away and the GT to be $59990 drive away, realignment is required.
A full size matching space should be standard. NO space savers.
All brakes should be upgraded, i.e. all FPV should have the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear bembo’s. Standard brakes are crap.
The GT HO should return as the flagship model, 300 for each model, like the phase 3 and Spartans, i.e. 300 BA, 300 BF and so forth.
Ford should look at the Holden seats, they are much better. The FPV GT-P seats are crap, cannot fit!
How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon? C’Mon?
Now if it looks like the spy pics and complies with my post, I’ll buy one. How much trade-in for my Corolla?
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:18 am
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like a BA/BF with droopy head and tail-lights. Sorry but I don’t see any inspiration in terms of design.
I realise Ford doesn’t have anywhere near the R&D budget of Holden, but still, not impressed in the slightest.
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July 14th, 2007 at 4:49 am
This looks very impressive.
I think it looks anti-droopy. I like the tail lights and front lights I think the only difference in design from these pics maybe VZ commodore style ridges going up the bonnet as seen in other camouflaged pics (these ridges may just be part of camo so I’m not sure).
I must disagree with Doc if this is a BA with droopy lights then a VE is a BA with flares… ‘uninspired’ design, I mean really. I’m sorry Doc but from these pics it would be very biased to say that this new model is not the aesthetic equal of VE. Both VE and Orion look very impressive and look similar to BA/BF but that’s not a bad thing.
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July 14th, 2007 at 11:04 am
love the design it has a hint of ba bf which is not a bad thing cos they still look better than the new commode i own a baxr6 & it is an impressive car to drive even though it is only the base model xr. if the new model is better it will be an awesome car on the road good luck ford kick gm’s ass.
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July 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Looks Amazing. More finessed than direct rival. Has the Ford Family look in common with Mondeo, and yet ‘Australian’ written all over it. Great! I too hope they keep the inline 6. This would mean a lot to Geelong I am sure, and is still Australia’s best petrol motor (longevity, technology, balance, torque)
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July 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Of course it would cost half to build, when they aren’t designing a all new, and might i say brilliant car like holden did. But ford are simply building upon the shit box under that BF shell.
Idiot Scanner!
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Thats the thing mate neither did Holden they just copied everyones designs.
So whos the fool,Holden!!!!!!!!!!!
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
That is hot! It is a lot better then what I was originally expecting. Don’t get me wrong anyone, I was expecting the new Falcon to look good. But this just goes above and beyond!
If this is what it looks like, I congratulate the design team at Ford.
Oh and another congratulations for the design team at Ford for not copying any other car models! I am talking about you Holden! This is Ford’s design! Stay away from it!
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Hey idiot scanner,
The VE cost so much to built (and most of it on marketing) because every other Commodore before it had Opel origins , just as the Astra is a Vauxhaul and the Barina and Viva are Daewoo’s.
Falcon on the other hand has been designed and manufactured in Australia for over thirty years.
Now I know most Holden supporters know this so why dont’t you IDIOT.S perhaps your scanner needs adjusting.
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July 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I have to say this car does not look to bad, i like the wheels the colour scheme and the stace. One thing that is quite obvious is the fact that this car is based on a BF chassis and is not a brand new design which is very disappointing. They should have followed Holdens lead an produced a band new car from the groung up. Although the shape is adequate at this stage i can see it will be dated very early. They have not produced a shape that is aggressive like the VE nor most likely will have the 50/50 weight distribution either. Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice car but Ford did not produce a very interesting shape. It’s quite bland really.
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July 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I hope they do use the new all alloy 3.5l duratec V6. Would save some kg’s by replacing that iron block. As much as I like the I6 (and I do like it), the falcon needs to lose weight big time and that engine isnt helping.
The duratec 3.5l would be great though 198 kW and 339 Nm and that is on 87RON. Apparently hitting 224kw once they have direct injection in place.
They have a “Twinforce” twin-turbocharged version of the engine producing 321 kW and 542 Nm. I think that would be quite adequate for an F6 especially with the weight loss that would come from it.
Time to let the iron block go I think..
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July 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
its looks great cant wait for final production
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July 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
It’s not at all bland and there’s no reason why it will date any quicker than Commodore or Aurion. Judging from the earlier comments they will sell more than enough to keep the Geelong plant going.
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July 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
im a huge fan of the blue oval and all these people saying holden shouldnt have too much to worry about are pretty stupid. the reson ford makes falcon is to compete, much like holden make the commy and toyota the aurion. they all have to compete if ford re-released the AU the commy would still have to be worried because itll still take up a share of the market reguardless of the quality.
looks mean, and thats always a good thing. i think ford need to further distinguish the GT marque from the base model falcon, it seems unfair to the historic nameplate. as for the plastic inserts *cough emo cough* wayy too much eye makeup, tone it down maybe look at a different way to make it mean.
overall i like the direction of the new falcon even if some people are too blind to see the major progression from BF to this new model, just look at the commy VZ to VE was a billion dollar change, too bad all the design elements had already been tested on the VZ… square headlights, top of boot corner rear lights i mean apart from the hideous wheel arches and dive-into-the-ground slanting of the waitsline, it was nothing new.
WOO RANT FINISHED
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July 14th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
the back of this car looks perfect! it looks lik its from the aston martin and it works beautiful i love the look of the thing. but im wondering if there still gonna keep the dubble bulge headlights for the xr’s and the fpv models???
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July 14th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
what the hell is idiot scanner looking at this page for anyway you are obviously a holden loving wanker are you worried that the new ford may be better?. well they are on a par at the moment and that’s comparing a 6yr old design from ford compared to the new ugly & copied from many designs dunnydore. football meat pies kangaroos & shitbox cars hasn’t been australian since 1987 the vl commode etc nissan 6cyl. vn buick v6 america. where as ford australia have kept basically the same 6cyl & evolved it over the years to match holdens best v8. not bad for a shit box ba your screen name matches you precisely.
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July 15th, 2007 at 1:01 am
“Ford have built this to kill the ‘1 billion dollar’ VE Commodore, and I bet it cost 1/2 the price to make!”
This new Falcon will cost cash-strapped Ford almost nothing. The changes are merely cosmetic unlike the new Commodore which was built from the ground up.
I think this looks better than the VE Commodore, although it is slightly similar. The back lights are a major improvement over the VE’s because they look more like the Aurion’s. The side is good. The front grille should be bigger. The front with all that mascara looks a lot like the concept hybrid Toyota sports car.
This is supposed to be the look of the FPVs. If the product differentiation we see in the Commodores is any indication of what we can see in the Falcons, expects the base model Falcons to look really bland and crap like the Omega does. You have to spend at least $50,000 on a Commodore (e.g. the Calais) to get a decent one.
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July 15th, 2007 at 3:22 am
I EFFING LOVE IT!!!!! VERY NICE!
and the thing i love most about it is its ORIGINAL
unlike holdens piss poor efforts at trying to mimic audi and bmw styling.
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:25 am
This Falcon is utterly beautiful. Dare I say it is better than the coming competition from China …. http://i62.photobucket.com/alb.....elyCar.jpg
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July 15th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
hey azza. ford are the ones that cpy holden with every model.. this looks so much like the ve its not funny.. ford are crap, all they do is copy other car manafactuers so they can do a decent looking car.. and the hsv’s will kill the fpv’s still even if ford do bring out a 335kw motor. because ford v8s are piss weak.. The ve’s are the best car ever made in australia and it will be for a while yet
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
so ummm, how many recalls did VE get in its first month again? oh yeah, ok *smacks head*
the fact that this looks like a VE is absolute joke, honestly are your eyes painted? this looks nothing like a VE. the VE stole all its design cues from audi and bmw. the chief designer at holden even had the audacity to say they had copied ideas from bmw and audi! hows that!
i find it laughable that the fords turbo I6 engine is comparable to HSV’s ancient american pushrod V8’s.
ford australia will kill holden in sales with its LPG variants.
theres even talk of a hydrogen model in the next fews years with top australian universities working with ford australia on a hydrogen engine.
GOODBYE HOLDEN :)
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
thats bullshit, look at the commodore and the falcon door lines handles and exteriours facia, thats been photo shoped dont fall for that shit, ur mad if u realy think thats gunna be the next falcon and beat the commodore.
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
No Goog……you are so wrong………Ve is the best Commodore made.not the best car made in australia ………get ya facts right. Holden had to spend 1 billion on VE because the Commode was so far behind everything else in suspension, engine and transmissions. Of course Ford dont have to spend as much because they already have a good platform and with a few tweaks such as the Territory front suspension it will be better still. Most of the comparo tests between BF and VE end up in a virtual 50 -50 result anyway. So come Orion the choice will be easy………….
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Oh and sam ur are an absolute underminded fool if u realy think that this computer generated shit is goin to kill the ve, the ve is at it pinnicale and just for that note look at the side of the cars together u tell me that that is not a photoshoped commodore, the lines match up u simple idiot. mate u got no idea respect d car 4 wat it is.
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
i think we shouldnt get too excited over these computer pics. we should wait until we see it in the flesh. wow ………….i didnt realise how many fuckwits are on here…………….
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
thats it rick, these images are fuked to many fuck wits that dont no wat there on about. sad pricks
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July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
This car looks like a BF, it’s not bad but it not a new car. You can see the AU underpinnings in the design. Hopefully they will stick some monster rubber on the back like the GTS and R8. If they do i could see myself buying a Typhoon to replace me VE SS.
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July 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
max — goog, same person?
wow the handles are so VE like, plagirism right there. get real bogan.
im not fully sold on it 100% either until i see it in the flesh but of course all the holden vs ford idiots have to bring out the whole “ford is shit” drawcard. grow up.
ford australia are investing in the future of automobile technology through developments of theyre products to meet future needs, ie - fuel shortages. theyre currently developing a hydrogen engine that will outperform any other hydrogen engine in efficiency and performance.
that says to me that ford australia is a company that is dedicated to what they do. not a money tree like GM that doles out billions to projects because the wankers back in detroit are saying “jeez, fucked if we know how to make cars! you give it a go!”
laughable
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July 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
QUOTE = Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.
Hahahahahahahaahahaha. Somehow I highly doubt it.
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July 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
ATTENTION FORD BUILD IT!!!! THIS IS SWEEET!!
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July 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
QUOTE = ford australia are investing in the future of automobile technology through developments of theyre products to meet future needs, ie - fuel shortages. theyre currently developing a hydrogen engine that will outperform any other hydrogen engine in efficiency and performance.
Turn it up mate…. pure speculation. Honda have been into hydrogen cell cars for the longest (they have a working prototype) and in fact one is coming into production in the states by 2010… Im not even sure if Ford has one built yet let alone outperforming Honda.
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July 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
One thing about producing engines over 200kw for the family market is that in Queensland because of the new stupid rules people on their L’s or P’s will not be allowed to drive them so there goes the market for aurions and next years fords… but i suppose Holden won’t have to worry about that because their six cylender engines from Korea won’t be able to get over the 200kw threshold for a good 10 years yet. I know that i’d still buy a AU Falcon over a new VE at least their parts are sorced from quality place’s ie australia and america, europe and sometimes Japan. As far as small cars go if i was goin to buy a viva or barina i’d buy the daewoe version because i’d rather pay 11000 for shit then 14000 for the same shit. Ford are obviosly beter on every level the small cars ford bring out are sorced from europe and are made mostly in south africa with german and american and japenese parts you’d have to be crazy to buy holden’s remarked shit. And as far as MAX goes saying the VE V8 is good their crap pushrod crap which was outdated in the 90’s buy ford. Also the VE still has the same engine as the VY the only difference is the billion dollars was spent making a gearbox that could actually take the power from the engine to the wheels and not loose 30-40kw in the process like the VY… HOLDEN ARE A JOKE IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT FORD BRING OUT IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN HOLDEN IN EVERY ASPECT!!!!
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July 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Come on guys let’s keep the Ford VS Holden bullshit on the race track.
This is about Fords new Falcon design and if you like it or not everyones entitled to an opinion, granted some opinions are more inteligent than others.
Regardless, we all benifit from the rivalry in the end because both Holden and Ford will continue to out do each other and make great AUSSIE cars for us all.
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Goog, for a start get your facts right, look at the VE headlights, tell me they do not like like Falcon or Territory headlights? As well remember the AU taillights? well the VZ models have similar shape, only less radical ones. So who copies who???
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I agree with you Blue Blood.
This is about the upgrade to the Falcon. And how good it is going to be. Also how it is going to blow the VE out of proportion… well more then what it already is anyway.
Goog, Max…
In what way have Ford ever copied Holden?
And don’t say that Ford have copied the VE Commodore!
Cause really, if you pull up pictures of a BA Falcon and a VE Commodore from the front angles, I’m sure you will see a large similarity. Oh and that means that Holden in a big way, copied Ford… You know, the BA Falcon being somewhat 4-5 years older then the VE.
So, after saying that, why don’t you leave this site alone, so that the sane people (Ford supporters) can admire Fords latest and best creation.
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
one noteable thing about what has been said by the “anti ford club” is eeeewwww it just looks like a ba/bf nothing new. than the next sentence out is pffft they have copied the VE. WHAT THE????????
ill say it slower for them. ford is allowed to have a car with similar traits/looks to their last model (since they designed it) just because holden also made the VE look like the last model falcon doesnt mean they can claim rights to the design just cause they hurried to get theirs out first.
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Brilliantly said! ^
That is one of the best arguments put up on this site that I have read.
Oh and look at that!? It’s from someone who knows what they are talking about. Unlike all you Holden dicks that cannot put up an argument worth fighting about if your lives depended on it.
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July 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Looks good and its got a better look at the front than the ve,love the black bits too.
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Just buy a black one nice.
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
from the front the Ve is the same as a ba.. but everyone noes that ford copy holden with all there cars. look at the back of the back wheel and the new styleing thing that ford have used it came of a vy clubby.. and also the plastic on the back where the exhausts are.. even a stock vz ss can beat a fpv gt lol now thats weak ford and extra 30kw and more nm of torque and they still got nothing on holdens peformance..
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Not this time pal,big boss is back and its got the upper hand this time and you know it too.
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Ba gt was a good car and is no match for any holden exept gts,it had more weight but not this time.
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
goog,
i dont know where you get your facts from.
the gt beats the ss, and to further that the typhoon is only .1 sec off the top of range HSV GTS and the ford has 37less KW
biiiig mistake goog,
you just admitted VE has copied the BA and then you say ford ALLWAYS copies holden
sounds like a lot of bitter holden fans out there to me
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
LOL and even a fpv f6 typoon turbo six can beat holdens V8’s :) and even more torque!
if anyone says that any falcon has copied a holden then theyre as stupid and as bogan as i think they are
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July 15th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Goog, still think Holden copy Ford??? Too afraid to answer my last post, typical Holden person…. Even my friends that are holden freaks say the VE headlights are direct copies of BA falcon/Territory…..
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July 15th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Holden have never been able to design a car from the ground up. Lets see………..HQ………..and what about the VN Commodore !!!!!! Talk about bits and pieces thrown together. Adventra ……..my god what a piece of crap that was……….and what do they replace it with…………Captiva !!!!! If people actually drove a BFII Falcon before they drove a VE Commodore they would be able to see how good the BF is. Especially with the 6 speed auto.
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July 15th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
omn1potent said
RAH RAH RAH THE NEW FALCON THIS THE NEW FALCON THAT, IF THE FALCON NEEDED TO BE MORE REALIABLE DO YOU THINK TAXI DRIVERS WILL BE BUYING THEM UMMMMMM NO(VERY OBVIOUS) THEY WANT TO BUT A CAR THAT CAN HANDLE 20 HOURS A DAY DRIVING THATS WHY THE OBVIOUSLY BUY A FALCON. YOU CANT FIT IN A FPV SEAT MAKES ME WONDER HOW YOU FIT IN THE COROLLA, DID TOYOTA CUSTOMISE IT BY PULLING OUT THE FRONT SEATS????????? UMMMMMMMMM US FOR TRADE IN, YOU STEP INTO TO FORD AND FORK OUT THE 60 GRAND AND IM SURE THEY WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD TRADE IN FOR THE COROLLA,( THE ASHES OF YOUR BURNT COROLLA AND DONT WORRY THEY WONT HAVE PISS RESIDUE IN IT CAUSE FORD WONT EVEN PISS ON IT TO TURN IT OUT).
OH YEAH CAR LOOKS AWESOME, CANT BELIEVE THEY HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SEXIER THAN BA BF.
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July 15th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
The ve r8 and gts are good cars but i prefere the ford xr8 or gt.
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July 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
yeh i admit that holdens headlights look the same as the ba/bf.. but remember holden worked on the ve for like 7 years back in 2000.. and fords ba/bf came out late 2002 so holden wouldnt have been able 2 copy. they would have allready have they drawing done of what they wanted.. i admit this ford looks ok only because it looks like a ve.. but i bet ya this car will be weak as.. the turboed 6 may go ok but the v8 needs alot more power to keep up.
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July 15th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Ahh Goog, as you said 7 years in design, be it Holden OR Ford, the next model and possibly the one after that were also designed as the same time. You can say “holden worked on the ve for like 7 years back in 2000″, but all the auto builders are the same, build for now, knowing what the future models look like. So it is quite possible they copied, I think it’s a long stretch to think they just fluked copying the headlights. As well if Holden do their own designing, why were all Commodores previous to VE all Opel derived. Please show me one Falcon that looks the same as an overseas Ford?????
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July 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Same could be said about the VE alloyTec V6 Goog.
Piss weak power in a car that gained more than a few pounds from the VZ, yes the VE is a porker no doubt about it.
Even though the Boss V8 may not match the Chev’s power it’s still no slug,
I’d love to see the new Ford Falcon lighter with a slight power increase.
This is entirley possible as they are improving on an existing platform.
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July 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
yeh i admit that fords 6 is very good and holdens is a reliable but weak as shit.. but fords 8 is weak and holdens v8 is awsum. but they are both good car makes but i love holdens. like i just hate ford so much they all look shit apart from this model and the reason y is it looks a bit like the new ve
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July 16th, 2007 at 12:43 am
Goog,
Why do you hate Aussie Fords so much.
Did they offend you personally somehow or do you just dislike all Aussie cars unless there Holdens, cos dude there is a whole other world out there.
Ford has a rich history in this country pre dating holden by many years.
They have made some of the greatest muscle cars ever seen on our road, the stuff of what legends are made.
I am not asking you to suddenly love Fords, just give them a little respect after all half the people in this country drive one so they can’t be that bad.
You think All fords look like shit well-
Look at the fin on a GTHO then look at the fin sitting on the boot of an VE SS.
Look at the bonnet scoops on a XB GT then look at the last monaro.
Look at the latest Holden ute and then thank Ford Australia for inventing the Ute in the first place.
Look at the ground breaking XR GT then look at every other Aussie muscle car that came after it.
I’m not looking at this new Falcon as a “me to” to the Commodore, it is the next exciting evolution of our (yes yours to Goog, assuming your an Aussie of course) Aussie Ford let’s hope to see many more.
OOHHH I feel all tingilly after that.
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July 16th, 2007 at 12:53 am
By the way, I can remember when a turbo charged 3 litre nissan power Commodore was quicker than any V8 Holden had to offer at that time. Did that make those V8’s any lesser car, I didn’t think so.
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July 16th, 2007 at 2:09 am
The boss v8 has plenty of grunt to match that gen 4 too dummy.
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July 16th, 2007 at 3:23 am
Dats da fwully sikest Ford i eva scne in my life
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Get over the my barge is faster then your barge…. everytime there is an argument between different manufacterers the V8s come into it. Its sad really and I dont know how people are going to cope when this already obcelete bread of vehicle finally has its curtain call.
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July 16th, 2007 at 10:53 am
It’s called passion Paul.
These cars connect with a lot of people in this country like no others.
And for those people, like myself, Japanese and Korean Cars just don’t cut it.
Ever seen a thirty year old Toyota fully restored rumbling down the street, No? Well there’s no shortage of beloved (and as you say obselete) GT’s and Monaro’s that still turn heads and can still out perform most modern cars.
We need cars with sole, history and legend, Oh yeh - IT HAS TO BE AUSTRALIAN MATE!
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Passion for what though! Inefficient, petrol guzzling, oil leaking V8s? I suppose people do like backing the under-dog, but I will take fine Japanese and European engineering any day of the week over anything the yanks produce. Just my opinion! (And dont get me wrong I rate the upcoming Falcon, but Im alittle over the constant V8 vs V8 arguments where one person claims their manufacterer is going to produce a bigger and better V8 over the other based on ‘rumours’ ie hot air!)
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July 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Guys stop with the crap (ford is better than holden)it is a pointless argument that can not be won.
Holden and Ford like all car companies make cars to make money and unfortunatley if Ford keep sticking to the OZ marketplace they are going to be forced into less costly developments than Holden. As it stands now Holden can suppliment income from exports and Ford can not. Holden may have spent $1b on the VE but dont forget that is VE architecture (that exports overseas) not just the car we see on the roads - Ford may only spend $500m on the next model but considering they spent to same on the BA I think their $1b will get the return that Holden’s does.
As for the which car is better argument the only thing you guys can do is look at the sales figures and the last monthly figure shows the VE outsell the ford by almost 2500 cars per month so currently the marketplace likes the VE more than the Ford. It may change with the newer model however a new body shell is not enough - if the car drives the same as it does now and simply looks better then it will not match the VE and that will be trouble for Ford OZ.
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July 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Stephen H,
I agree about the Ford vs Holden arguement that will never be settled.
However, the fact that VE outsells Falcon does not mean it’s a better car. VE may indeed be “better” than BFII, but VZ certainly wasn’t yet it still sold well. It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.
VE is strong in the high end stuff like Calais/ V and SS.
Anyway, the above images are hi risk and in your face for a Ford product, but that is what it needs. VE HSV looks good so FPV really has to pick up their game for Orion.
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July 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
When will you pathetic Ford fans realise that the BF or Orion will not be a match to the VE. Holden have spent 1 billion dollars on the development of this car and it’s underpinnings are BMW five series. This new Falcon will be a complete faliure just like most of it’s other scrap heaps. Holden are bringing out the 385kw 7 litre engine, how are you going to compete with a 290kw unit??????, you won’t, you can’t, you will be blown away like on the race track, you Ford fans are in denial. You need to wake up to yourselves and switch to a real car ie Holden. Fords all washed up.
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July 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Mate you clearly no nothing about Holdens and less about Fords !!!!!!! Not even bothering to answer back your stupid claims
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July 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Matthew your a joke…. underpinnings of a BMW, bring out the 385kw engine, blown away on the race track.
a. The quote relating to the BMW and Calais was a crock of shyte, I believe it was from wheels suprise suprise
b. I highly doubt when the market is SLOWLY going away from V8s, which has meant they are starting to offer them cheaper etc… that they are now going to bring out a bigger engine.
c. Im sure other posters can provide more detail but in a test conducted the HSVs did laps of a track and couldnt last 3 laps until fluids started overheating etc.
I think Ford are heading in the right direction, they are investing in hybrids etc with a long term focus and their current line ups such as the Focus and no doubt the new Falcon are visual eye candy. Im also sure they will have decent engines, at least their V8s have DOHCs and the like compared to the unreliable, inefficienct and oil drinking pushrod design. Holden on the other hand havent shown much in terms of long term outlook, apart from designing a diesel V8 which instead of guzzling fuel at 15L per 100km it guzzles it at 11L per 100km (sounds nice now, but fuel prices are going UP). And the VE was 1 billion spent mainly on advertising and poorly done advertising at that. In the large car market, Id say Toyota and Ford are the ones to look out for in the future.
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July 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
people, people… holden fans…stop going on about the 385Kw 7 V8…this engine will only be for 100-150 cars you idiots as a special addition… and if ford really want to they could get a engine from the states as well… it holdens get the 385kw from the corvette…what can ford get??? they can get the 400KW v8 from the 2008 GT500KR mustang or the from the big daddy of engines…the 415Kw GT40 engine!!! so if holden start it ford will finish it…and thats only a 5.4litre V8…imagine when ford finishes devolvoping the 5.8 and 6.2litre V8s…lol!!!! i have heard the GTSR will only do a 4.7 to 100km/h LOL!!! or will ford do up the typhoon some more??? who knows!!!! 350Kw typhoon would be pretty cool i would think!!! i am not saying this all will happen, but it could if ford really wanted to!!!
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July 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Thank you ‘chopstar87′, you took the words right out of my mouth, the holden in only making 100 to 150 of the 385kw engines, but for an extra 20 grand that will only get you 0-100 and about 0.3 of a second quicker! the only people who would buy the 385 holden are old, bald, business fags who do not no anything about engines. any normal person would have at least heard of aftermarket performance parts, 20 grand is moe than enough to build a monster that will flog the 385kw holden.
new falcon looks bloody awsome…. also what is wrong with have a few hints of the BA/BF in the new falcon? Ford was onto something good with the BA/BF why ruin it? i hope there is more of the BA/BF on the new falcon that meets the eye!
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July 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
matthew and other one eyed holden lovers,
you have no idea. whats sooo good about the 7 litre V8? and if ford really wanted to they could also call up on some one elses V8. at least if ford sourced a bigger V8 say the 7.2L (or what ever it is) it would still be a ford motor, unlike holden who source what ever they can get. and if you guys read up on your beloved holden V8’s you will find the reason they keep jumping to another V8 and another V8. thats right they are sooo unreliable. starting with the 5.7L well pffft that was the worst example, thats why they put that motor to sleep! did you guys know that was the reason??? holden keep disguising their motors by upping the cubes just to keep the simple holden believers with a hard on.
goog,
you still dont get it on the looks thing. yes they design cars like 5 years ahead usually but that also put the Ba on the drawing board like in 1996/97. and with looks that is the last thing finalised. if they finalised that even like 2 years before their release it would look out dated when it came out. the first 2 years would have been dedicated to the chassis etc id say. 1 thing is for certain is that BA would have been out for like 2 years before they started looking at looks on the VE.
OH YEAH JUST BECAUSE THEY SPENT $1BILLION ON IT DOESNT MEAN ITS GOOD. WHAT IT MEANS IS IT WAS THAT FAR BEHIND THEY HAD TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON IT JUST TO BRING IT UP TO SCRATCH.
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July 16th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
What no come back Matthew,just as I thought you know nothing !!!!!
Hahaha you dont need 20 grand to nail a 385kw Chev. My husband was building Clevelands 22 years ago that made that sort of grunt for about $12,000. Had to put sub frame connectors under the coupe to stop the thing twisting when it launched cause the back window would pop out.LOL Ah the good old days.
HEY Andrew did you read resently that the 40th edition GT is changing hands for up to $100,000 at the moment.As discussed before only 200 of that one were released this year ,imagine what the Bathurst specials will go for with a speculated 50 units only being manufactured? Thinking of ordering one ?? Oh and a bonus more grunt too.
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July 16th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Mathew doesnt know what his talking about
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July 16th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
I fail to see why you would bother spending that much more for a bigger engine in a Holden as some have said…. just supercharger it (so less weight added while similar power gains) with associated mods, alot cheaper.
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July 16th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
when will you Holden wankers realise there is more to big cube, petrol guzzling, oil burning V8’s? Get over it !!!!! Thhe best engine by far in Australia is the FPV Typhoon F6 …………FACT !!!!! and it is easy to get 350-400kw from one without too much trouble. Why the fuck dont you old pushrod V8 wankers go and drive a Typhoon, the you would realise that even in BF form its a better more refined drive than the VE billion dollar catch up with everyone else model.
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July 16th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
The reason Holden keep increasing the capacity of their V8’s is obvious. Its the cheapest and easiest way of increasing power. And that says it all……….cheapest !!!!!! Cheap engineering is the holden way………..Adventra……….and all the Daewoo pieces of crap…………….
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July 16th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
I will reiterate what i have said, 385kw is a reality!. Ford on the other hand have no answer to this engine nor the great chassis it will be sitting in. An engine of this type is not even in the pipline, if there were we would know about it. Your new Orion looks like a cross between a VZ and VE, but looks like a pathetic attempt to mimic the lines of two great cars. Ford are always the followers, never pioneers, thats why they failed at Formula One(the pinicle) because they could not create only follow. An now in this instance they are following Holden because of there low sales opposed to the VE. Just look at the sales figures, the VE is blowing Ford into the weeds and Ford knows it as all of you do!. Do yourselves a favour and wake up, Ford are finished, after the demise of this Orion there production of cars in Australia will be finished,gone extinct,vanished, and a distant bad memory.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
matthew stop drippling,
FACTS…….
1. holden dont make a V8 so dont you look silly telling us they do
2. listen to the comments ford have access to a 400kw V8 ready to go if they wanted it and it is a ford motor too not someone elses
3. F1 and most other motorsports are a direct representation of how much money is poured in to the teams. ferarri always wins (well used to always win) and i dont see holden in F1
4. stop crapping on about looks we have been through it a thousand times that the VE looks like BA so how does ford do the copying.
5.you are a know nothing toss
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
jesus christ matthew can you ever get your facts straight?!?!
how can ford not be pioneers when they partake in the highest number of motorsport events across the world.
v8 supercars, NASCAR, WRC, shit, even FORMULA FORD.
when gm and holden start to meet those standards, please let me know.
The Axe said “It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.”, therefore using gross sales as a guide to the quality of a car is only a mark of your inexplicable stupidity.
furthermore, i fail to see how any part of Orion looks remotely like the ve commonwhore apart from the doorhandles which nobody cares about anyway..provided you actually have a life
now please, for the sake of our sanity, DO NOT come back to this discussion until your left testicle descends and you are able to at the very least SEEM intelligent.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Ford cosworth v8 in f1 wheres the chev?
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
385kw does not make it better its a still born v8 t hey did not release in 2002 427 7.0 v8 from the vett.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Its got drive line issues they have not tested it yet,ford should have an answer to hsv s new car.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
VE is a good car with near 50/50 weight,now the uk vxr8 and pontiac g8 in u.s ford have to do the same.
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July 16th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Hey !!!!
Why doesn’t the Holden V8’s have a bulge on the bonnet?
Answer - cuz they’ve got no balls.
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
HAHAHAHA, Just what they said. And that wasn’t a question it was a statement from Peanut !!!!!
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Well Matthew who was it that pulled Aston Martin out of the shit FORD not GM you tossbag and also how many times have you HEARD an FPV’s Glorious engine note over the pissweak Hardon Sucky Vehicles!!! So get alife Ford’s RULE Holden’s suck and I would spend my hard-earned on the Orion rather than that thing called a “car”!
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
billion dollar’s and they havent even changed the crappy v6 of thers
lol what a crack up lol
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Sorry I meant that GM VE “car”. I sat inside a VE Clubsport and it was not very nice at all!
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July 16th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
I have to agree with you John I’m Laughing My Arse Off!!!!
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July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
You dirt bags just can’t except the truth, if a Fiat had a Ford badge attached to it you would love it despite it being a good car. You guys are like that, you have no brains. This is why you continually are insecure about the VE’s success and Ford’s struggling sales. You know full well Ford is in a corner with it’s low sales but you continue to state there cars are the best, absolute rubbish!. I have news for you, the reason for the poor sales is because Australian’s prefer Holden, sales time and time agian have proved that, and you know it. The Orion will be a failure, pure and simple. And with this demise will spell an end to the production of Ford cars in Australia. You can have your 400kw GT40 engine or any other engine you theoretically think Ford will use because it won’t amount to a thing when Ford are extinct. Ford are the asshole of the car world, they stink to high heaven, time for it to go.
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July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
HAHAHAHA Goes to show what you really know ,Fiat is part of GMs tree not Fords !!!!!!!!!Holden means nothing to Australia!!!
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
pictures u are seeing are very accurate. I am ex geelong ford and have seen the cars first hand. YES..the GTP looks like a clubby copy, and ford did this as a deliberate safe design cue…they dont want to take unnecessary risks like they did with AU model.
I notice there is no interior shots….i can tell you the interior looks like the current 5 series BMW. fords future lies in this car, it is like the VE..a bitsa design. hope it does well, other wise say hello to more imports from ford.
ford nearly dropped the wagon as well….but instead bought it back in and dropped the LTD. anyone who likes the LTD, there is good news. if the 08 falcon does well, ford will bring back the LTD long wheel base in 2010.
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
whos that aimed at?
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
hey emrah. explain the differences in the computer genirated pics and the real fdeal. whats different? and how much power do they have? and whats a clubby?
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
hey guys, my comments aren’t aimed at anyone.
ford engine department are very tight liped on drive train specs so i couldnt tell ya man, but what your seen here is what you will get in show rooms. I can say though the cars do look pretty tough in the skin. and you will lve the interior, its feels very prestige. ford is also goingto be using more leight beige colors mixed with blacks. i must admit the dashboard looks great. the high series model will get aluminium brushed buttons…i didnt like the door trims, they did remind me too much of VE.
i think overal its pretty good…and like someone mentioned earlier,,,it wouldnt have ost as much as the VE…so i think there maybe some competition.
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July 17th, 2007 at 12:28 am
Its about time fpv step up with more power and a much needed new look.
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July 17th, 2007 at 1:50 am
Hey emrah, so how exactly have you come across sitting in the orion? what type of work did you do at Geelong if you don’t mind me asking?
Also in regards to the interior - does it have a proper LCD screen standard?
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July 17th, 2007 at 1:55 am
OMG if they dropped the wagon that would be so stupid. That would leave 2 market gaps to holden. And have you seen the wagon? i hope it looks cleaner than the AU wagon because the rear doors which are used on the fairlane dont meet very well with the rear window and the completely random creases above the rear window leading from above the rear door to the boot look dumb. Thats all i hope ford fixed up, otherwise the wagon is a much better vehicle than the territory, in fuel consumption/handling/and load. Especially in dedicated LPG guise.
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July 17th, 2007 at 4:51 am
Funny how ford had a premium sound package and a povo sound package,that really makes a big difference in the interior.
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July 17th, 2007 at 4:54 am
As if ford will drop the wagon and the territory takes its place as not everyone can afford one.
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July 17th, 2007 at 8:00 am
To quote matthew above…
“You dirt bags just can’t except the truth, if a Fiat had a Ford badge attached to it you would love it despite it being a good car.”
a bit like holden badges on a daewoo hey.
Commodore will still outsell the new falcon, due to australias holden bogan mentality.
all reviews ( and I do mean ALL ) that i read over the past 5 years said the ford product was well ahead of the commo ( before VE came out ) , yet the commo still outsold the falcon.
must be because the holdens are cushy and feel like a boat, where the fords u can actually tell what the road is doing.
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July 17th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Orion=AU design/chassis and philosophy, a design that had to be changed because it was a complete faliure and the public hated it. And now there designing a new car around that defunct chassis, it’s going to be blown away in sale by the VE, simply because it’s base platform is inferior to start with.
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July 17th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Matthew - You have just proven to me that you know NOTHING about the desogn/chassis of Orion!
Where do you get your info from…? The magazines? Well i can tell you they get it wrong most of the time too, just like you have.
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July 17th, 2007 at 11:11 am
I dont think your ordinary buyer gives a shyte about what base platform its from. Whats important to most buyers is looks (judging by pics above its good), power (no doubt be class leading) and features (again no doubt be class leading… will definetely be ahead of the Commodore Omega and Lumina).
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July 17th, 2007 at 11:19 am
HI HENDRICK
yeh it is a copy of the 5 series….except the botton arangemets look a bit like the New S class merc…they are silver in finish on high series and black on the rest….like the 5 series it does have that middle display in the center of the dash…and yes it is LCD. Im not sure what it will display, but expect to see dvd option and the regular climate control, nav radio etc…
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July 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Go Go Go Ford pics look great. We as ford fans and holden fans alike we need to support this new model if we don’t there are going to be some complications with manufacturing in this country including just recently the Geelong plant cutting jobs to meet a declining demand for larger cars, it would be sad if ford couldn’t compete against the rest of the world because as you should know it has a domino effect and that includes the V8 supercars which I’m a fan of, so please I beg you to buy local rather than rely on imports, our Australian products are secound to none aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi thank very much.
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July 17th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
No matter what any of you say, the new Orion is based on the old AU chassis which was a complete faliure. The AU was hated so much Ford had to virtually re-shape it into the BF to regain any credibility. Holden on the other hand never in the whole VT chassis series had to re-shape the car like Ford did with the defunt AU, it goes to show how solid the VT was and how incompetent the AU was. Now Ford are releasing a car based on a faliure ie AU. You people need to wake up, none of you know anything.
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July 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
matthew,
time for you to gain some credibility right here…
tell us…
1. what was wrong with the AU chassis? you just stated they had to reskin it, meaning the chassis was fine and only the looks had to change.
2. how come ford could get this “heap o shit AU chassis” to handle better than the commy?
3. if the AU was sooooo shit then how come the AU ute gave the commy a spanking in the sales department?
4. why will people buy proven to be shit daewoos just because they have a holden badge on them?
ok ill help you on the last one….
its because know nothing holden supporters like yourself believe everything holden tells you through their marketing campaigns etc. you are too busy playing with yourselves over a ute commercial where a car does donuts.
thats proof holden attracts the bogans in society
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July 17th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Will everyone shut up about who copied who.
Fact car designs are locked in at least 4 years before release and the only things that change in that time cosmeticially are minor things.
Mathew what are you 8 years old don’t you understand that this barge you call Ve is the no 1 in the market because of a little thing called fleet contract’s and goverment sales. Holden have contract’s in place with some of australia’s biggest companys some were signed well over 5 years ago just like ford had similar contract’s in place when the falcon was australias top selling car for something like 17 years. It is very nieve to base what is australia’s best car based on sale’s figures alone.
one last thing will people stop there dribble about the 1 billion dollars spent on Ve.
1) Half of that money was used for marketting not R&D
2) The reason that spent 500 million on Ve was to bring the car up to scratch becase dynamically it was so far behind the falcon and the magna for that matter.
3) This was the first car in which holden didn’t have opel design and underpinnings to relie on.
p.s I know the spelling and grammer is shit but the facts are still there.
p.p.s Mathew R&D means research and development
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July 17th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
So bloody true Andrew,my son said to me resently.
Have you ever noticed how many cars are Commondores that end up on the news every day/night .Either crashed,dead,stolen or killed some one else. Watch the news and within the next 24 hours I bet there will be more Commodores in stacks than anything else !!”FULLYYYYYYY SICK BRO”
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
^
Maybe thats becuase there are more of them on the road then most other cars…. so the chances of them being involved in incidents is higher…..
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
oh god, i love coming here now.
every time i do, matthew shocks and amuses me with utterly stupid comments, and the rest of you fine blokes make me smile by how you all shut him down time and time again….absoloute fact
that is why matthew always tries to change the subject or turn the discussion around when he posts, because he knows he’s been beaten, and will continue to be outsmarted as long as he stays in this funny little debarkle going on here.
have a nice day gentlemen.
ps. carsguide.com.au has released official info on orion
http://carsguide.news.com.au/s.....22,00.html
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
What more than corolla’s? I dont think so ! How many Corollas do you see involved in accidents on the news?
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Paul, and we are also talking about older model commodores particularly vr vs and that is where ford was on top with sales.
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July 17th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
the reason you see so many commodores wrapped around trees or in accidents is because they have no rear wheel traction because of the ancient rear suspension design. Bogans drive them because its easy to do burnouts in them. Too bad they cant go around corners.
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July 17th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
The test of time determines what is best I supose.
XY GT Phase 3 $1000,000
Monaro of the same era,what ever that was Bathurst HT 350 ? Oh about $250,000 at a good guess.
What happened to all the A9Xs L34s XU1s ,the boys wrote them off ?? Still more Gts out there for sale now than old Holdens,I guess not much has changed……And as for HQs,well they were the most ugly boring car Holden produced! Gts never came out with 6 cyl but Holdens so called performance cars of that era did.
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July 17th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.
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July 17th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
naa man u should see the burnounts i crack in my xr6 its great
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July 17th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
HAHAHA,Thats funny who ever said that,I dont own one but I bet they do burn well !!!!!! Is that you Sam??
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July 17th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Quote from Matthew:
“Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.”
No that wasn’t “nuff said”, explain the reasons you believe the Orion is the AU?!? You say this when the BA/BF was based on the AU and yet it was somewhat successful? Wikipedia quote -Ford BA Falcon: “The model’s market share briefly topped that of its chief competitor, the Holden Commodore on two occasions”
I and most others can tell you the AU was a failure because it looked too new. It seems though; your Ford-Hating-Ego is blinding you from the fact that Ford may just have c