New 2008 Ford Falcon Orion Computer Generated Pictures
13 Jul, 2007
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The Herald sun have been hard at work over the last week, first it was the leaked photos of the new Series III Mitsubishi 380 Sedan, and now, the Herald has published photos of the new Ford Falcon:
The Herald Sun claims that these computer generated images were disposed of after an FPV meeting, soon before being stumbled upon by an eager reader.
If this is true, the production version, which is set to hit showrooms early next year (probably in time for the Melbourne Motor Show – March), may very well be near identical to what you are seeing now.
Click for larger image. FPV F6 Typhoon
Click for larger images. FPV GT
Click for larger image. FPV GT-P
Images show the GT and GT-P from Ford’s performance stable, FPV, along with images of the F6 Typhoon.
Comparing these to our spy photos of the Falcon GT, there is a very noticeable resemblance.
The computer generated images sourced by the Herald Sun show what is most probably an early design of the Orion. Our spy photos and sources indicate the upper models – such as the FPV GT-P (pictured) – will feature Xenon headlights, cross-drilled and slotted brakes, along with new wheels.
A stripe package will also probably remain for the Orion Falcon, considering the big uptake of the option on B-series FPV GTs and GT-Ps.
Ford Australia have declined to comment on the images, stating that they are simply pretty images and that we should all wait until the final product is released. One thing is for certain though, all the publicity is revving up fans of the blue oval marque.
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July 13th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
I am a lookin and I’m a likin!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Yep totally agree Blue Blood ! Like it alot!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
I think the VE Commodore is going to have a big big big fight on its hands. Ford have built this to kill the “1 billion dollar” VE Commodore, and I bet it cost 1/2 the price to make!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
I must admit, I am a Holden man but this looks AWESOME! Let’s hope it’s a winner for Ford.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Yeah it looks amazing but i wonder how the FPV F6 Typhoon will act if ford goes for the V6 engine from Europe. Also i hope they have touched up there V8 they are a long way off the Commodores V8.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
They found the pics at the TIP by a cars guide fan really,how lucks that!!!!!!
Looks great .
BIG wing looks interesting ?
Cars guide will have more pics tomorrow .Looking foreward to it!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
if (big if, i hope) they do go to v6, they might single or even twin turbo it like noble did with there performance cars.
The car looks stunning, makes holdens billion dollar baby look weak, lets hope ford have worked on there v8s, and have researched the audi v8s, and we smoke the holdens
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Not so sure about the black, looks a bit VE GTS to me. And then with white & black it looks like a panda!
I was expecting a bit more mondeo in the design, But overall the new shape looks pretty mean.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
I like the black plastic leading down from the headlights, resembles the R35 GTR Proto. This is a far edgier design than the camoflage mules let on, i just hope they ditch the GT stripes or go for something a bit more subtle, they cheapen the effect.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I hope they don’t go for a V6, the inline six is a fantastic engine.
However Ford has developed a V6 twin turbo for the Lincoln in US with 300+Kw and the new code named Hurricane V8 being developed in the US is rumoured to 6 or 7 litres but not due til 2009-10.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Im not a big fan of the black plastic, but the overall package looks pretty darn good.
And no the GT stripes should stay but instead of stickers they should be painted on ala original GT’s, otherwise anyman and his dog can get stickers to put on XR’s and Fairmonts. But im very interested to see what this cobra is they’re about to announce. It’s intriguing
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
I am unsure on the stripes,there an option anyway I thought, $800.00.
Colours will be interesting ? Lets hope they don’t ditch the popular ones like they did with the other earlier models. Why they did it I have no idea.
Blood orange was the most popular colour and they ditched it,for an orange with metalic in it,yuk!
As much as like subtle looking cars Ford will have to offer a hero looking car.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
haaa… It looks GREAT. I think it looks awsome and i hope Ford has a blinder with it.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Yep, i like the front and rear lights much better than the commodore, the ford 6-cylinder job will be much better than holdens dated version as well
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
this car is SWEET. the tail lights are so good. these are much better pictures then the ones that wheels did. i do hope they keep the 4.0l i6 that is such a great engine.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
looks like they put the duel exhaust in the GT this time apart from the mags what is the difference between the GT and the GT-P
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Remeber these are computer generated concepts so the finished product may still hold some surprises.
I have no doudt this was orchestrated by Ford for a response, is a late 2007 surprise launch possible, who knows?.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
WOW! Amazing stuff, to beat the brilliant (but now dated BA/BF), is something of a hard task, but they nailed it with this ripper, picture it next year wrapped in 888 racing’s Vodafone colour scheme! In V8 guise with some more herbs under the bonnet, which will happen, move over VE!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
No, apart from a slightly slimmer grill and slimmer tailights you can see where the BF series 2 comes into play. It looks as though even the xr series will have the standard falcon lights setup when the xr’s were ressessed. Also remember that Holden has near perfect front and rear weight distribution so there is no way ford can get the orion to equal or better that aspect using a platform designed for the 1998 AU Falcon. So that is where the $500,000 less invested will really show up. The AU will haunt ford for another decade it looks like because of the cost cutting in developing a all new update not a all new car.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
What is this billy guy on about. The outputs of Fors’d V8’s are basically the same of that of Holden’s new 6 litres (unless you get a Fairmont V8 or XT base ect.) but the XR8 is only 10kw off the mark, it is just substantially smaller and a lot more technologically advanced. But just so he knows, the Orion XR* is set to use the GT’s 290kw engine so Holden are in definite trouble. Just wait for the FPV, I’ve heard rumours of 325-335kw!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Johnno the BA/BF is also based on the au falcon, and even now, the VE is only just beating the falcon in comparsions, so there is really nothing wrong with that platform, the only reason holden spent a billion dollars the VE is because opal had not developed the chassis, which underpin very commodore before the VE, and yet is only just the falcon right now, and still now the falcon is the better handling than VE by most car mags.
so with improvements with orion platform the falcon will equal or even beat the VE.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
It will look like a whale shark in the rear vision mirror, like it will eat anything in front of it, just needs some bucked teeth like in the movie ‘Cars’… i wonder if the Force models will come back. I think all they need to do with the force models is paint the black plastic with body colour, remove the rear spoiler and wallah! a force 6 and 8. And imagine what the V8supercar will look like!!! And i love the rear end! i hope those are LED’s
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
OMG That is wicked! 2008 is going to be a great year for Ford I can just see it! Also remember that the SuperRoo is going to make a comeback as well. But I think it will be reserved for special edition models or something along those line. LOVE THE BLACK INSERTS!! This is designing!! GO FORD!!
(side issue: the Anti-spam word for my post was HSV!)
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
vodafone ford on front page of v8 supercar magazine now. looks nice.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
go the new ford and lowndesey.
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Looks sick! Cant wait for better pics!
Vote:July 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
The black plastic between the headlight and the foglight looks ummmmm stupid. Apart from that it looks good.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 12:44 am
I like it.
I hope Ford keep the Barra L6 engine and add mabey a few more kw, maby just to 200 or 205. Also i hope the XR8 does get the current 290 Barra engine and the FPV GT’s get a 320+ engine. On the L6 topic, i dont think they will change it this time due to the overwhelming praise the engine gets. The only time they will change it is if the emissions laws get alot stricter beyond Ford ability to keep the engine within them, or if they are going to export to Europe (Unlikely).
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 12:56 am
The New Falcon will need to make the 6 speed ZF transmission standard across the range (even E-GAS). Forget the 4 speed and 5 speed auto’s, keep the ZF. Get rid of the XT and make the Futura the base model called G6.
The New Falcon will need to make the E-GAS option across the range (XR6, XR6T, XR8 (yeap the eights as well), Ghia) and so forth. It would be ideal that the FPV’s also have E-GAS as an option (E-GAS FPV GT mmmm….. where do I sign)? How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon?
The New Falcon should be easy to fix and maintain, engine bay to be large to work on it. Engine parts and bay, some important underpinnings (underneath car) should be metal, not plastic.
The New Falcon interior windows especially front and rear inside should be easy to clean.
The New Falcon requires improved reliability, quality, economy and performance.
The current Falcon range is tooooo expensive. They should include on road costs. Base to be $32990 drive away and the GT to be $59990 drive away, realignment is required.
A full size matching space should be standard. NO space savers.
All brakes should be upgraded, i.e. all FPV should have the 6 pot front and 4 pot rear bembo’s. Standard brakes are crap.
The GT HO should return as the flagship model, 300 for each model, like the phase 3 and Spartans, i.e. 300 BA, 300 BF and so forth.
Ford should look at the Holden seats, they are much better. The FPV GT-P seats are crap, cannot fit!
How about a LPG-Electric hybrid Falcon? C’Mon?
Now if it looks like the spy pics and complies with my post, I’ll buy one. How much trade-in for my Corolla?
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 3:18 am
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like a BA/BF with droopy head and tail-lights. Sorry but I don’t see any inspiration in terms of design.
I realise Ford doesn’t have anywhere near the R&D budget of Holden, but still, not impressed in the slightest.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 4:49 am
This looks very impressive.
I think it looks anti-droopy. I like the tail lights and front lights I think the only difference in design from these pics maybe VZ commodore style ridges going up the bonnet as seen in other camouflaged pics (these ridges may just be part of camo so I’m not sure).
I must disagree with Doc if this is a BA with droopy lights then a VE is a BA with flares… ‘uninspired’ design, I mean really. I’m sorry Doc but from these pics it would be very biased to say that this new model is not the aesthetic equal of VE. Both VE and Orion look very impressive and look similar to BA/BF but that’s not a bad thing.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 11:04 am
love the design it has a hint of ba bf which is not a bad thing cos they still look better than the new commode i own a baxr6 & it is an impressive car to drive even though it is only the base model xr. if the new model is better it will be an awesome car on the road good luck ford kick gm’s ass.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Looks Amazing. More finessed than direct rival. Has the Ford Family look in common with Mondeo, and yet ‘Australian’ written all over it. Great! I too hope they keep the inline 6. This would mean a lot to Geelong I am sure, and is still Australia’s best petrol motor (longevity, technology, balance, torque)
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Of course it would cost half to build, when they aren’t designing a all new, and might i say brilliant car like holden did. But ford are simply building upon the shit box under that BF shell.
Idiot Scanner!
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Thats the thing mate neither did Holden they just copied everyones designs.
So whos the fool,Holden!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
That is hot! It is a lot better then what I was originally expecting. Don’t get me wrong anyone, I was expecting the new Falcon to look good. But this just goes above and beyond!
Vote:If this is what it looks like, I congratulate the design team at Ford.
Oh and another congratulations for the design team at Ford for not copying any other car models! I am talking about you Holden! This is Ford’s design! Stay away from it!
July 14th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Hey idiot scanner,
The VE cost so much to built (and most of it on marketing) because every other Commodore before it had Opel origins , just as the Astra is a Vauxhaul and the Barina and Viva are Daewoo’s.
Falcon on the other hand has been designed and manufactured in Australia for over thirty years.
Now I know most Holden supporters know this so why dont’t you IDIOT.S perhaps your scanner needs adjusting.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I have to say this car does not look to bad, i like the wheels the colour scheme and the stace. One thing that is quite obvious is the fact that this car is based on a BF chassis and is not a brand new design which is very disappointing. They should have followed Holdens lead an produced a band new car from the groung up. Although the shape is adequate at this stage i can see it will be dated very early. They have not produced a shape that is aggressive like the VE nor most likely will have the 50/50 weight distribution either. Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice car but Ford did not produce a very interesting shape. It’s quite bland really.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I hope they do use the new all alloy 3.5l duratec V6. Would save some kg’s by replacing that iron block. As much as I like the I6 (and I do like it), the falcon needs to lose weight big time and that engine isnt helping.
The duratec 3.5l would be great though 198 kW and 339 Nm and that is on 87RON. Apparently hitting 224kw once they have direct injection in place.
They have a “Twinforce” twin-turbocharged version of the engine producing 321 kW and 542 Nm. I think that would be quite adequate for an F6 especially with the weight loss that would come from it.
Time to let the iron block go I think..
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
its looks great cant wait for final production
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
It’s not at all bland and there’s no reason why it will date any quicker than Commodore or Aurion. Judging from the earlier comments they will sell more than enough to keep the Geelong plant going.
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
im a huge fan of the blue oval and all these people saying holden shouldnt have too much to worry about are pretty stupid. the reson ford makes falcon is to compete, much like holden make the commy and toyota the aurion. they all have to compete if ford re-released the AU the commy would still have to be worried because itll still take up a share of the market reguardless of the quality.
looks mean, and thats always a good thing. i think ford need to further distinguish the GT marque from the base model falcon, it seems unfair to the historic nameplate. as for the plastic inserts *cough emo cough* wayy too much eye makeup, tone it down maybe look at a different way to make it mean.
overall i like the direction of the new falcon even if some people are too blind to see the major progression from BF to this new model, just look at the commy VZ to VE was a billion dollar change, too bad all the design elements had already been tested on the VZ… square headlights, top of boot corner rear lights i mean apart from the hideous wheel arches and dive-into-the-ground slanting of the waitsline, it was nothing new.
WOO RANT FINISHED
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
the back of this car looks perfect! it looks lik its from the aston martin and it works beautiful i love the look of the thing. but im wondering if there still gonna keep the dubble bulge headlights for the xr’s and the fpv models???
Vote:July 14th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
what the hell is idiot scanner looking at this page for anyway you are obviously a holden loving wanker are you worried that the new ford may be better?. well they are on a par at the moment and that’s comparing a 6yr old design from ford compared to the new ugly & copied from many designs dunnydore. football meat pies kangaroos & shitbox cars hasn’t been australian since 1987 the vl commode etc nissan 6cyl. vn buick v6 america. where as ford australia have kept basically the same 6cyl & evolved it over the years to match holdens best v8. not bad for a shit box ba your screen name matches you precisely.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 1:01 am
“Ford have built this to kill the ‘1 billion dollar’ VE Commodore, and I bet it cost 1/2 the price to make!”
This new Falcon will cost cash-strapped Ford almost nothing. The changes are merely cosmetic unlike the new Commodore which was built from the ground up.
I think this looks better than the VE Commodore, although it is slightly similar. The back lights are a major improvement over the VE’s because they look more like the Aurion’s. The side is good. The front grille should be bigger. The front with all that mascara looks a lot like the concept hybrid Toyota sports car.
This is supposed to be the look of the FPVs. If the product differentiation we see in the Commodores is any indication of what we can see in the Falcons, expects the base model Falcons to look really bland and crap like the Omega does. You have to spend at least $50,000 on a Commodore (e.g. the Calais) to get a decent one.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 3:22 am
I EFFING LOVE IT!!!!! VERY NICE!
and the thing i love most about it is its ORIGINAL
unlike holdens piss poor efforts at trying to mimic audi and bmw styling.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 6:25 am
This Falcon is utterly beautiful. Dare I say it is better than the coming competition from China …. http://i62.photobucket.com/alb.....elyCar.jpg
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
hey azza. ford are the ones that cpy holden with every model.. this looks so much like the ve its not funny.. ford are crap, all they do is copy other car manafactuers so they can do a decent looking car.. and the hsv’s will kill the fpv’s still even if ford do bring out a 335kw motor. because ford v8s are piss weak.. The ve’s are the best car ever made in australia and it will be for a while yet
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
so ummm, how many recalls did VE get in its first month again? oh yeah, ok *smacks head*
the fact that this looks like a VE is absolute joke, honestly are your eyes painted? this looks nothing like a VE. the VE stole all its design cues from audi and bmw. the chief designer at holden even had the audacity to say they had copied ideas from bmw and audi! hows that!
i find it laughable that the fords turbo I6 engine is comparable to HSV’s ancient american pushrod V8’s.
ford australia will kill holden in sales with its LPG variants.
theres even talk of a hydrogen model in the next fews years with top australian universities working with ford australia on a hydrogen engine.
GOODBYE HOLDEN :)
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
thats bullshit, look at the commodore and the falcon door lines handles and exteriours facia, thats been photo shoped dont fall for that shit, ur mad if u realy think thats gunna be the next falcon and beat the commodore.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
No Goog……you are so wrong………Ve is the best Commodore made.not the best car made in australia ………get ya facts right. Holden had to spend 1 billion on VE because the Commode was so far behind everything else in suspension, engine and transmissions. Of course Ford dont have to spend as much because they already have a good platform and with a few tweaks such as the Territory front suspension it will be better still. Most of the comparo tests between BF and VE end up in a virtual 50 -50 result anyway. So come Orion the choice will be easy………….
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Oh and sam ur are an absolute underminded fool if u realy think that this computer generated shit is goin to kill the ve, the ve is at it pinnicale and just for that note look at the side of the cars together u tell me that that is not a photoshoped commodore, the lines match up u simple idiot. mate u got no idea respect d car 4 wat it is.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
i think we shouldnt get too excited over these computer pics. we should wait until we see it in the flesh. wow ………….i didnt realise how many fuckwits are on here…………….
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
thats it rick, these images are fuked to many fuck wits that dont no wat there on about. sad pricks
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
This car looks like a BF, it’s not bad but it not a new car. You can see the AU underpinnings in the design. Hopefully they will stick some monster rubber on the back like the GTS and R8. If they do i could see myself buying a Typhoon to replace me VE SS.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
max — goog, same person?
wow the handles are so VE like, plagirism right there. get real bogan.
im not fully sold on it 100% either until i see it in the flesh but of course all the holden vs ford idiots have to bring out the whole “ford is shit” drawcard. grow up.
ford australia are investing in the future of automobile technology through developments of theyre products to meet future needs, ie – fuel shortages. theyre currently developing a hydrogen engine that will outperform any other hydrogen engine in efficiency and performance.
that says to me that ford australia is a company that is dedicated to what they do. not a money tree like GM that doles out billions to projects because the wankers back in detroit are saying “jeez, fucked if we know how to make cars! you give it a go!”
laughable
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
QUOTE = Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.
Hahahahahahahaahahaha. Somehow I highly doubt it.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
ATTENTION FORD BUILD IT!!!! THIS IS SWEEET!!
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
QUOTE = ford australia are investing in the future of automobile technology through developments of theyre products to meet future needs, ie – fuel shortages. theyre currently developing a hydrogen engine that will outperform any other hydrogen engine in efficiency and performance.
Turn it up mate…. pure speculation. Honda have been into hydrogen cell cars for the longest (they have a working prototype) and in fact one is coming into production in the states by 2010… Im not even sure if Ford has one built yet let alone outperforming Honda.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
One thing about producing engines over 200kw for the family market is that in Queensland because of the new stupid rules people on their L’s or P’s will not be allowed to drive them so there goes the market for aurions and next years fords… but i suppose Holden won’t have to worry about that because their six cylender engines from Korea won’t be able to get over the 200kw threshold for a good 10 years yet. I know that i’d still buy a AU Falcon over a new VE at least their parts are sorced from quality place’s ie australia and america, europe and sometimes Japan. As far as small cars go if i was goin to buy a viva or barina i’d buy the daewoe version because i’d rather pay 11000 for shit then 14000 for the same shit. Ford are obviosly beter on every level the small cars ford bring out are sorced from europe and are made mostly in south africa with german and american and japenese parts you’d have to be crazy to buy holden’s remarked shit. And as far as MAX goes saying the VE V8 is good their crap pushrod crap which was outdated in the 90’s buy ford. Also the VE still has the same engine as the VY the only difference is the billion dollars was spent making a gearbox that could actually take the power from the engine to the wheels and not loose 30-40kw in the process like the VY… HOLDEN ARE A JOKE IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT FORD BRING OUT IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN HOLDEN IN EVERY ASPECT!!!!
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Come on guys let’s keep the Ford VS Holden bullshit on the race track.
This is about Fords new Falcon design and if you like it or not everyones entitled to an opinion, granted some opinions are more inteligent than others.
Regardless, we all benifit from the rivalry in the end because both Holden and Ford will continue to out do each other and make great AUSSIE cars for us all.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Goog, for a start get your facts right, look at the VE headlights, tell me they do not like like Falcon or Territory headlights? As well remember the AU taillights? well the VZ models have similar shape, only less radical ones. So who copies who???
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I agree with you Blue Blood.
Vote:This is about the upgrade to the Falcon. And how good it is going to be. Also how it is going to blow the VE out of proportion… well more then what it already is anyway.
Goog, Max…
In what way have Ford ever copied Holden?
And don’t say that Ford have copied the VE Commodore!
Cause really, if you pull up pictures of a BA Falcon and a VE Commodore from the front angles, I’m sure you will see a large similarity. Oh and that means that Holden in a big way, copied Ford… You know, the BA Falcon being somewhat 4-5 years older then the VE.
So, after saying that, why don’t you leave this site alone, so that the sane people (Ford supporters) can admire Fords latest and best creation.
July 15th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
one noteable thing about what has been said by the “anti ford club” is eeeewwww it just looks like a ba/bf nothing new. than the next sentence out is pffft they have copied the VE. WHAT THE????????
ill say it slower for them. ford is allowed to have a car with similar traits/looks to their last model (since they designed it) just because holden also made the VE look like the last model falcon doesnt mean they can claim rights to the design just cause they hurried to get theirs out first.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Brilliantly said! ^
Vote:That is one of the best arguments put up on this site that I have read.
Oh and look at that!? It’s from someone who knows what they are talking about. Unlike all you Holden dicks that cannot put up an argument worth fighting about if your lives depended on it.
July 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Looks good and its got a better look at the front than the ve,love the black bits too.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Just buy a black one nice.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
from the front the Ve is the same as a ba.. but everyone noes that ford copy holden with all there cars. look at the back of the back wheel and the new styleing thing that ford have used it came of a vy clubby.. and also the plastic on the back where the exhausts are.. even a stock vz ss can beat a fpv gt lol now thats weak ford and extra 30kw and more nm of torque and they still got nothing on holdens peformance..
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Not this time pal,big boss is back and its got the upper hand this time and you know it too.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Ba gt was a good car and is no match for any holden exept gts,it had more weight but not this time.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
goog,
i dont know where you get your facts from.
the gt beats the ss, and to further that the typhoon is only .1 sec off the top of range HSV GTS and the ford has 37less KW
biiiig mistake goog,
you just admitted VE has copied the BA and then you say ford ALLWAYS copies holden
sounds like a lot of bitter holden fans out there to me
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
LOL and even a fpv f6 typoon turbo six can beat holdens V8’s :) and even more torque!
if anyone says that any falcon has copied a holden then theyre as stupid and as bogan as i think they are
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Goog, still think Holden copy Ford??? Too afraid to answer my last post, typical Holden person…. Even my friends that are holden freaks say the VE headlights are direct copies of BA falcon/Territory…..
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 9:02 pm
Holden have never been able to design a car from the ground up. Lets see………..HQ………..and what about the VN Commodore !!!!!! Talk about bits and pieces thrown together. Adventra ……..my god what a piece of crap that was……….and what do they replace it with…………Captiva !!!!! If people actually drove a BFII Falcon before they drove a VE Commodore they would be able to see how good the BF is. Especially with the 6 speed auto.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
omn1potent said
RAH RAH RAH THE NEW FALCON THIS THE NEW FALCON THAT, IF THE FALCON NEEDED TO BE MORE REALIABLE DO YOU THINK TAXI DRIVERS WILL BE BUYING THEM UMMMMMM NO(VERY OBVIOUS) THEY WANT TO BUT A CAR THAT CAN HANDLE 20 HOURS A DAY DRIVING THATS WHY THE OBVIOUSLY BUY A FALCON. YOU CANT FIT IN A FPV SEAT MAKES ME WONDER HOW YOU FIT IN THE COROLLA, DID TOYOTA CUSTOMISE IT BY PULLING OUT THE FRONT SEATS????????? UMMMMMMMMM US FOR TRADE IN, YOU STEP INTO TO FORD AND FORK OUT THE 60 GRAND AND IM SURE THEY WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD TRADE IN FOR THE COROLLA,( THE ASHES OF YOUR BURNT COROLLA AND DONT WORRY THEY WONT HAVE PISS RESIDUE IN IT CAUSE FORD WONT EVEN PISS ON IT TO TURN IT OUT).
OH YEAH CAR LOOKS AWESOME, CANT BELIEVE THEY HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SEXIER THAN BA BF.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
The ve r8 and gts are good cars but i prefere the ford xr8 or gt.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
yeh i admit that holdens headlights look the same as the ba/bf.. but remember holden worked on the ve for like 7 years back in 2000.. and fords ba/bf came out late 2002 so holden wouldnt have been able 2 copy. they would have allready have they drawing done of what they wanted.. i admit this ford looks ok only because it looks like a ve.. but i bet ya this car will be weak as.. the turboed 6 may go ok but the v8 needs alot more power to keep up.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Ahh Goog, as you said 7 years in design, be it Holden OR Ford, the next model and possibly the one after that were also designed as the same time. You can say “holden worked on the ve for like 7 years back in 2000″, but all the auto builders are the same, build for now, knowing what the future models look like. So it is quite possible they copied, I think it’s a long stretch to think they just fluked copying the headlights. As well if Holden do their own designing, why were all Commodores previous to VE all Opel derived. Please show me one Falcon that looks the same as an overseas Ford?????
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Same could be said about the VE alloyTec V6 Goog.
Piss weak power in a car that gained more than a few pounds from the VZ, yes the VE is a porker no doubt about it.
Even though the Boss V8 may not match the Chev’s power it’s still no slug,
I’d love to see the new Ford Falcon lighter with a slight power increase.
This is entirley possible as they are improving on an existing platform.
Vote:July 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
yeh i admit that fords 6 is very good and holdens is a reliable but weak as shit.. but fords 8 is weak and holdens v8 is awsum. but they are both good car makes but i love holdens. like i just hate ford so much they all look shit apart from this model and the reason y is it looks a bit like the new ve
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 12:43 am
Goog,
Why do you hate Aussie Fords so much.
Did they offend you personally somehow or do you just dislike all Aussie cars unless there Holdens, cos dude there is a whole other world out there.
Ford has a rich history in this country pre dating holden by many years.
They have made some of the greatest muscle cars ever seen on our road, the stuff of what legends are made.
I am not asking you to suddenly love Fords, just give them a little respect after all half the people in this country drive one so they can’t be that bad.
You think All fords look like shit well-
Look at the fin on a GTHO then look at the fin sitting on the boot of an VE SS.
Look at the bonnet scoops on a XB GT then look at the last monaro.
Look at the latest Holden ute and then thank Ford Australia for inventing the Ute in the first place.
Look at the ground breaking XR GT then look at every other Aussie muscle car that came after it.
I’m not looking at this new Falcon as a “me to” to the Commodore, it is the next exciting evolution of our (yes yours to Goog, assuming your an Aussie of course) Aussie Ford let’s hope to see many more.
OOHHH I feel all tingilly after that.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 12:53 am
By the way, I can remember when a turbo charged 3 litre nissan power Commodore was quicker than any V8 Holden had to offer at that time. Did that make those V8’s any lesser car, I didn’t think so.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 2:09 am
The boss v8 has plenty of grunt to match that gen 4 too dummy.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 3:23 am
Dats da fwully sikest Ford i eva scne in my life
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Get over the my barge is faster then your barge…. everytime there is an argument between different manufacterers the V8s come into it. Its sad really and I dont know how people are going to cope when this already obcelete bread of vehicle finally has its curtain call.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 10:53 am
It’s called passion Paul.
These cars connect with a lot of people in this country like no others.
And for those people, like myself, Japanese and Korean Cars just don’t cut it.
Ever seen a thirty year old Toyota fully restored rumbling down the street, No? Well there’s no shortage of beloved (and as you say obselete) GT’s and Monaro’s that still turn heads and can still out perform most modern cars.
We need cars with sole, history and legend, Oh yeh – IT HAS TO BE AUSTRALIAN MATE!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Passion for what though! Inefficient, petrol guzzling, oil leaking V8s? I suppose people do like backing the under-dog, but I will take fine Japanese and European engineering any day of the week over anything the yanks produce. Just my opinion! (And dont get me wrong I rate the upcoming Falcon, but Im alittle over the constant V8 vs V8 arguments where one person claims their manufacterer is going to produce a bigger and better V8 over the other based on ‘rumours’ ie hot air!)
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Guys stop with the crap (ford is better than holden)it is a pointless argument that can not be won.
Holden and Ford like all car companies make cars to make money and unfortunatley if Ford keep sticking to the OZ marketplace they are going to be forced into less costly developments than Holden. As it stands now Holden can suppliment income from exports and Ford can not. Holden may have spent $1b on the VE but dont forget that is VE architecture (that exports overseas) not just the car we see on the roads – Ford may only spend $500m on the next model but considering they spent to same on the BA I think their $1b will get the return that Holden’s does.
As for the which car is better argument the only thing you guys can do is look at the sales figures and the last monthly figure shows the VE outsell the ford by almost 2500 cars per month so currently the marketplace likes the VE more than the Ford. It may change with the newer model however a new body shell is not enough – if the car drives the same as it does now and simply looks better then it will not match the VE and that will be trouble for Ford OZ.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Stephen H,
I agree about the Ford vs Holden arguement that will never be settled.
However, the fact that VE outsells Falcon does not mean it’s a better car. VE may indeed be “better” than BFII, but VZ certainly wasn’t yet it still sold well. It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.
VE is strong in the high end stuff like Calais/ V and SS.
Anyway, the above images are hi risk and in your face for a Ford product, but that is what it needs. VE HSV looks good so FPV really has to pick up their game for Orion.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
When will you pathetic Ford fans realise that the BF or Orion will not be a match to the VE. Holden have spent 1 billion dollars on the development of this car and it’s underpinnings are BMW five series. This new Falcon will be a complete faliure just like most of it’s other scrap heaps. Holden are bringing out the 385kw 7 litre engine, how are you going to compete with a 290kw unit??????, you won’t, you can’t, you will be blown away like on the race track, you Ford fans are in denial. You need to wake up to yourselves and switch to a real car ie Holden. Fords all washed up.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Mate you clearly no nothing about Holdens and less about Fords !!!!!!! Not even bothering to answer back your stupid claims
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Matthew your a joke…. underpinnings of a BMW, bring out the 385kw engine, blown away on the race track.
a. The quote relating to the BMW and Calais was a crock of shyte, I believe it was from wheels suprise suprise
b. I highly doubt when the market is SLOWLY going away from V8s, which has meant they are starting to offer them cheaper etc… that they are now going to bring out a bigger engine.
c. Im sure other posters can provide more detail but in a test conducted the HSVs did laps of a track and couldnt last 3 laps until fluids started overheating etc.
I think Ford are heading in the right direction, they are investing in hybrids etc with a long term focus and their current line ups such as the Focus and no doubt the new Falcon are visual eye candy. Im also sure they will have decent engines, at least their V8s have DOHCs and the like compared to the unreliable, inefficienct and oil drinking pushrod design. Holden on the other hand havent shown much in terms of long term outlook, apart from designing a diesel V8 which instead of guzzling fuel at 15L per 100km it guzzles it at 11L per 100km (sounds nice now, but fuel prices are going UP). And the VE was 1 billion spent mainly on advertising and poorly done advertising at that. In the large car market, Id say Toyota and Ford are the ones to look out for in the future.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
people, people… holden fans…stop going on about the 385Kw 7 V8…this engine will only be for 100-150 cars you idiots as a special addition… and if ford really want to they could get a engine from the states as well… it holdens get the 385kw from the corvette…what can ford get??? they can get the 400KW v8 from the 2008 GT500KR mustang or the from the big daddy of engines…the 415Kw GT40 engine!!! so if holden start it ford will finish it…and thats only a 5.4litre V8…imagine when ford finishes devolvoping the 5.8 and 6.2litre V8s…lol!!!! i have heard the GTSR will only do a 4.7 to 100km/h LOL!!! or will ford do up the typhoon some more??? who knows!!!! 350Kw typhoon would be pretty cool i would think!!! i am not saying this all will happen, but it could if ford really wanted to!!!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Thank you ‘chopstar87′, you took the words right out of my mouth, the holden in only making 100 to 150 of the 385kw engines, but for an extra 20 grand that will only get you 0-100 and about 0.3 of a second quicker! the only people who would buy the 385 holden are old, bald, business fags who do not no anything about engines. any normal person would have at least heard of aftermarket performance parts, 20 grand is moe than enough to build a monster that will flog the 385kw holden.
new falcon looks bloody awsome…. also what is wrong with have a few hints of the BA/BF in the new falcon? Ford was onto something good with the BA/BF why ruin it? i hope there is more of the BA/BF on the new falcon that meets the eye!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
matthew and other one eyed holden lovers,
you have no idea. whats sooo good about the 7 litre V8? and if ford really wanted to they could also call up on some one elses V8. at least if ford sourced a bigger V8 say the 7.2L (or what ever it is) it would still be a ford motor, unlike holden who source what ever they can get. and if you guys read up on your beloved holden V8’s you will find the reason they keep jumping to another V8 and another V8. thats right they are sooo unreliable. starting with the 5.7L well pffft that was the worst example, thats why they put that motor to sleep! did you guys know that was the reason??? holden keep disguising their motors by upping the cubes just to keep the simple holden believers with a hard on.
goog,
you still dont get it on the looks thing. yes they design cars like 5 years ahead usually but that also put the Ba on the drawing board like in 1996/97. and with looks that is the last thing finalised. if they finalised that even like 2 years before their release it would look out dated when it came out. the first 2 years would have been dedicated to the chassis etc id say. 1 thing is for certain is that BA would have been out for like 2 years before they started looking at looks on the VE.
OH YEAH JUST BECAUSE THEY SPENT $1BILLION ON IT DOESNT MEAN ITS GOOD. WHAT IT MEANS IS IT WAS THAT FAR BEHIND THEY HAD TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON IT JUST TO BRING IT UP TO SCRATCH.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 4:43 pm
What no come back Matthew,just as I thought you know nothing !!!!!
Hahaha you dont need 20 grand to nail a 385kw Chev. My husband was building Clevelands 22 years ago that made that sort of grunt for about $12,000. Had to put sub frame connectors under the coupe to stop the thing twisting when it launched cause the back window would pop out.LOL Ah the good old days.
HEY Andrew did you read resently that the 40th edition GT is changing hands for up to $100,000 at the moment.As discussed before only 200 of that one were released this year ,imagine what the Bathurst specials will go for with a speculated 50 units only being manufactured? Thinking of ordering one ?? Oh and a bonus more grunt too.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Mathew doesnt know what his talking about
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
I fail to see why you would bother spending that much more for a bigger engine in a Holden as some have said…. just supercharger it (so less weight added while similar power gains) with associated mods, alot cheaper.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
when will you Holden wankers realise there is more to big cube, petrol guzzling, oil burning V8’s? Get over it !!!!! Thhe best engine by far in Australia is the FPV Typhoon F6 …………FACT !!!!! and it is easy to get 350-400kw from one without too much trouble. Why the fuck dont you old pushrod V8 wankers go and drive a Typhoon, the you would realise that even in BF form its a better more refined drive than the VE billion dollar catch up with everyone else model.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
The reason Holden keep increasing the capacity of their V8’s is obvious. Its the cheapest and easiest way of increasing power. And that says it all……….cheapest !!!!!! Cheap engineering is the holden way………..Adventra……….and all the Daewoo pieces of crap…………….
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
I will reiterate what i have said, 385kw is a reality!. Ford on the other hand have no answer to this engine nor the great chassis it will be sitting in. An engine of this type is not even in the pipline, if there were we would know about it. Your new Orion looks like a cross between a VZ and VE, but looks like a pathetic attempt to mimic the lines of two great cars. Ford are always the followers, never pioneers, thats why they failed at Formula One(the pinicle) because they could not create only follow. An now in this instance they are following Holden because of there low sales opposed to the VE. Just look at the sales figures, the VE is blowing Ford into the weeds and Ford knows it as all of you do!. Do yourselves a favour and wake up, Ford are finished, after the demise of this Orion there production of cars in Australia will be finished,gone extinct,vanished, and a distant bad memory.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
matthew stop drippling,
FACTS…….
1. holden dont make a V8 so dont you look silly telling us they do
2. listen to the comments ford have access to a 400kw V8 ready to go if they wanted it and it is a ford motor too not someone elses
3. F1 and most other motorsports are a direct representation of how much money is poured in to the teams. ferarri always wins (well used to always win) and i dont see holden in F1
4. stop crapping on about looks we have been through it a thousand times that the VE looks like BA so how does ford do the copying.
5.you are a know nothing toss
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
jesus christ matthew can you ever get your facts straight?!?!
how can ford not be pioneers when they partake in the highest number of motorsport events across the world.
v8 supercars, NASCAR, WRC, shit, even FORMULA FORD.
when gm and holden start to meet those standards, please let me know.
The Axe said “It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.”, therefore using gross sales as a guide to the quality of a car is only a mark of your inexplicable stupidity.
furthermore, i fail to see how any part of Orion looks remotely like the ve commonwhore apart from the doorhandles which nobody cares about anyway..provided you actually have a life
now please, for the sake of our sanity, DO NOT come back to this discussion until your left testicle descends and you are able to at the very least SEEM intelligent.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Ford cosworth v8 in f1 wheres the chev?
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
385kw does not make it better its a still born v8 t hey did not release in 2002 427 7.0 v8 from the vett.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Its got drive line issues they have not tested it yet,ford should have an answer to hsv s new car.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
VE is a good car with near 50/50 weight,now the uk vxr8 and pontiac g8 in u.s ford have to do the same.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Hey !!!!
Why doesn’t the Holden V8’s have a bulge on the bonnet?
Answer – cuz they’ve got no balls.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
HAHAHAHA, Just what they said. And that wasn’t a question it was a statement from Peanut !!!!!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Well Matthew who was it that pulled Aston Martin out of the shit FORD not GM you tossbag and also how many times have you HEARD an FPV’s Glorious engine note over the pissweak Hardon Sucky Vehicles!!! So get alife Ford’s RULE Holden’s suck and I would spend my hard-earned on the Orion rather than that thing called a “car”!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
billion dollar’s and they havent even changed the crappy v6 of thers
lol what a crack up lol
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Sorry I meant that GM VE “car”. I sat inside a VE Clubsport and it was not very nice at all!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
I have to agree with you John I’m Laughing My Arse Off!!!!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
You dirt bags just can’t except the truth, if a Fiat had a Ford badge attached to it you would love it despite it being a good car. You guys are like that, you have no brains. This is why you continually are insecure about the VE’s success and Ford’s struggling sales. You know full well Ford is in a corner with it’s low sales but you continue to state there cars are the best, absolute rubbish!. I have news for you, the reason for the poor sales is because Australian’s prefer Holden, sales time and time agian have proved that, and you know it. The Orion will be a failure, pure and simple. And with this demise will spell an end to the production of Ford cars in Australia. You can have your 400kw GT40 engine or any other engine you theoretically think Ford will use because it won’t amount to a thing when Ford are extinct. Ford are the asshole of the car world, they stink to high heaven, time for it to go.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
HAHAHAHA Goes to show what you really know ,Fiat is part of GMs tree not Fords !!!!!!!!!Holden means nothing to Australia!!!
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pm
pictures u are seeing are very accurate. I am ex geelong ford and have seen the cars first hand. YES..the GTP looks like a clubby copy, and ford did this as a deliberate safe design cue…they dont want to take unnecessary risks like they did with AU model.
I notice there is no interior shots….i can tell you the interior looks like the current 5 series BMW. fords future lies in this car, it is like the VE..a bitsa design. hope it does well, other wise say hello to more imports from ford.
ford nearly dropped the wagon as well….but instead bought it back in and dropped the LTD. anyone who likes the LTD, there is good news. if the 08 falcon does well, ford will bring back the LTD long wheel base in 2010.
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
whos that aimed at?
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
hey emrah. explain the differences in the computer genirated pics and the real fdeal. whats different? and how much power do they have? and whats a clubby?
Vote:July 16th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
hey guys, my comments aren’t aimed at anyone.
ford engine department are very tight liped on drive train specs so i couldnt tell ya man, but what your seen here is what you will get in show rooms. I can say though the cars do look pretty tough in the skin. and you will lve the interior, its feels very prestige. ford is also goingto be using more leight beige colors mixed with blacks. i must admit the dashboard looks great. the high series model will get aluminium brushed buttons…i didnt like the door trims, they did remind me too much of VE.
i think overal its pretty good…and like someone mentioned earlier,,,it wouldnt have ost as much as the VE…so i think there maybe some competition.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 12:28 am
Its about time fpv step up with more power and a much needed new look.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 1:50 am
Hey emrah, so how exactly have you come across sitting in the orion? what type of work did you do at Geelong if you don’t mind me asking?
Also in regards to the interior – does it have a proper LCD screen standard?
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 1:55 am
OMG if they dropped the wagon that would be so stupid. That would leave 2 market gaps to holden. And have you seen the wagon? i hope it looks cleaner than the AU wagon because the rear doors which are used on the fairlane dont meet very well with the rear window and the completely random creases above the rear window leading from above the rear door to the boot look dumb. Thats all i hope ford fixed up, otherwise the wagon is a much better vehicle than the territory, in fuel consumption/handling/and load. Especially in dedicated LPG guise.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 4:51 am
Funny how ford had a premium sound package and a povo sound package,that really makes a big difference in the interior.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 4:54 am
As if ford will drop the wagon and the territory takes its place as not everyone can afford one.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 8:00 am
To quote matthew above…
“You dirt bags just can’t except the truth, if a Fiat had a Ford badge attached to it you would love it despite it being a good car.”
a bit like holden badges on a daewoo hey.
Commodore will still outsell the new falcon, due to australias holden bogan mentality.
all reviews ( and I do mean ALL ) that i read over the past 5 years said the ford product was well ahead of the commo ( before VE came out ) , yet the commo still outsold the falcon.
must be because the holdens are cushy and feel like a boat, where the fords u can actually tell what the road is doing.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Orion=AU design/chassis and philosophy, a design that had to be changed because it was a complete faliure and the public hated it. And now there designing a new car around that defunct chassis, it’s going to be blown away in sale by the VE, simply because it’s base platform is inferior to start with.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Matthew – You have just proven to me that you know NOTHING about the desogn/chassis of Orion!
Where do you get your info from…? The magazines? Well i can tell you they get it wrong most of the time too, just like you have.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 11:11 am
I dont think your ordinary buyer gives a shyte about what base platform its from. Whats important to most buyers is looks (judging by pics above its good), power (no doubt be class leading) and features (again no doubt be class leading… will definetely be ahead of the Commodore Omega and Lumina).
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 11:19 am
HI HENDRICK
yeh it is a copy of the 5 series….except the botton arangemets look a bit like the New S class merc…they are silver in finish on high series and black on the rest….like the 5 series it does have that middle display in the center of the dash…and yes it is LCD. Im not sure what it will display, but expect to see dvd option and the regular climate control, nav radio etc…
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Go Go Go Ford pics look great. We as ford fans and holden fans alike we need to support this new model if we don’t there are going to be some complications with manufacturing in this country including just recently the Geelong plant cutting jobs to meet a declining demand for larger cars, it would be sad if ford couldn’t compete against the rest of the world because as you should know it has a domino effect and that includes the V8 supercars which I’m a fan of, so please I beg you to buy local rather than rely on imports, our Australian products are secound to none aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi thank very much.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
No matter what any of you say, the new Orion is based on the old AU chassis which was a complete faliure. The AU was hated so much Ford had to virtually re-shape it into the BF to regain any credibility. Holden on the other hand never in the whole VT chassis series had to re-shape the car like Ford did with the defunt AU, it goes to show how solid the VT was and how incompetent the AU was. Now Ford are releasing a car based on a faliure ie AU. You people need to wake up, none of you know anything.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
matthew,
time for you to gain some credibility right here…
tell us…
1. what was wrong with the AU chassis? you just stated they had to reskin it, meaning the chassis was fine and only the looks had to change.
2. how come ford could get this “heap o shit AU chassis” to handle better than the commy?
3. if the AU was sooooo shit then how come the AU ute gave the commy a spanking in the sales department?
4. why will people buy proven to be shit daewoos just because they have a holden badge on them?
ok ill help you on the last one….
Vote:its because know nothing holden supporters like yourself believe everything holden tells you through their marketing campaigns etc. you are too busy playing with yourselves over a ute commercial where a car does donuts.
thats proof holden attracts the bogans in society
July 17th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Will everyone shut up about who copied who.
Fact car designs are locked in at least 4 years before release and the only things that change in that time cosmeticially are minor things.
Mathew what are you 8 years old don’t you understand that this barge you call Ve is the no 1 in the market because of a little thing called fleet contract’s and goverment sales. Holden have contract’s in place with some of australia’s biggest companys some were signed well over 5 years ago just like ford had similar contract’s in place when the falcon was australias top selling car for something like 17 years. It is very nieve to base what is australia’s best car based on sale’s figures alone.
one last thing will people stop there dribble about the 1 billion dollars spent on Ve.
1) Half of that money was used for marketting not R&D
2) The reason that spent 500 million on Ve was to bring the car up to scratch becase dynamically it was so far behind the falcon and the magna for that matter.
3) This was the first car in which holden didn’t have opel design and underpinnings to relie on.
p.s I know the spelling and grammer is shit but the facts are still there.
Vote:p.p.s Mathew R&D means research and development
July 17th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
So bloody true Andrew,my son said to me resently.
Have you ever noticed how many cars are Commondores that end up on the news every day/night .Either crashed,dead,stolen or killed some one else. Watch the news and within the next 24 hours I bet there will be more Commodores in stacks than anything else !!”FULLYYYYYYY SICK BRO”
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
^
Maybe thats becuase there are more of them on the road then most other cars…. so the chances of them being involved in incidents is higher…..
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
oh god, i love coming here now.
every time i do, matthew shocks and amuses me with utterly stupid comments, and the rest of you fine blokes make me smile by how you all shut him down time and time again….absoloute fact
that is why matthew always tries to change the subject or turn the discussion around when he posts, because he knows he’s been beaten, and will continue to be outsmarted as long as he stays in this funny little debarkle going on here.
have a nice day gentlemen.
ps. carsguide.com.au has released official info on orion
http://carsguide.news.com.au/s.....22,00.html
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
What more than corolla’s? I dont think so ! How many Corollas do you see involved in accidents on the news?
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Paul, and we are also talking about older model commodores particularly vr vs and that is where ford was on top with sales.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
the reason you see so many commodores wrapped around trees or in accidents is because they have no rear wheel traction because of the ancient rear suspension design. Bogans drive them because its easy to do burnouts in them. Too bad they cant go around corners.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
The test of time determines what is best I supose.
XY GT Phase 3 $1000,000
Monaro of the same era,what ever that was Bathurst HT 350 ? Oh about $250,000 at a good guess.
What happened to all the A9Xs L34s XU1s ,the boys wrote them off ?? Still more Gts out there for sale now than old Holdens,I guess not much has changed……And as for HQs,well they were the most ugly boring car Holden produced! Gts never came out with 6 cyl but Holdens so called performance cars of that era did.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
naa man u should see the burnounts i crack in my xr6 its great
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
HAHAHA,Thats funny who ever said that,I dont own one but I bet they do burn well !!!!!! Is that you Sam??
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Quote from Matthew:
Vote:“Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.”
No that wasn’t “nuff said”, explain the reasons you believe the Orion is the AU?!? You say this when the BA/BF was based on the AU and yet it was somewhat successful? Wikipedia quote -Ford BA Falcon: “The model’s market share briefly topped that of its chief competitor, the Holden Commodore on two occasions”
I and most others can tell you the AU was a failure because it looked too new. It seems though; your Ford-Hating-Ego is blinding you from the fact that Ford may just have created something that might give them a bit of success (judging by people’s reaction so far). Would this be the reason you post uneducated comments?
July 17th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Matthew, let me tell you something, u say Orion=AU, AU=faliure. You must be of a very young age, physically, mentally or both. Remember ALL commodores up to VE were basically using the VB Commodore floor. The main reason the AU was somewhat of a failure is because of it’s looks. Which WERE ahead of it’s time, take a look at the latest Mercedes, very similar tail lights & other features to AU.
Dont get me started on this so called big horsepower V8 that’s comming. One thing Holden fans dont like to hear is “have I ever seen a holden/chev engine in F1? NO, Ford Cosworth DFV’s were winning F1 races & championships through the 60’s & 70’s (not to mention Schumachers championship in 1994), the V8’s are not the only racing format in the world….
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Mind you the DFV was only 3.5 litres, lot 5.7, 6.0 or 7.0……
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Thanks “XXXX”, hit the nail on the head there.
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
One thing no one’s thought of, Ford lost $40 mill & Holden 146.5 Mill last financial, if for instance Ford were to cease production here, Holden would too. All their technology would be moved to the US & they would export vehicles over here. Weather your a Holden of Ford fan, they both need each other to survive (even tho Ford build a better car)!
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Yeah, no probs Dan, had many an argument with Holden people. Usually get the lame “if u want to rev, get a chev”, “look at the V8 supercars”. But as soon as OTHER forms of motor sport are mentioned, well, u can hear the cricket’s chirping, lol…..
Vote:July 17th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Yeah exactly, where do most of the best race drivers start? Formula Ford? Oh damn… The best answer to the “look at the V8 supercars” is that there isn’t much to the v8 supercars if there is no Ford or Holden is there? The worst thing must be the Holden fans that are just riding the wagon for popularity sake, and have no idea which falcon/commodore model is which or what is great/not-so-great about them. Arrogance is just stupid, I’m a Ford supporter but I don’t HATE Holden, you would be stupid to hate either, that just isn’t Australian….
I just hope these new FPV’s give ford a bit of a chance, and I’m pretty sure they will :D
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 5:54 am
Looks to me like the previous Mustang mixed wtih Audi/Pontiac GTO. Ford needs to re-focus on the market they sell to, or expand the market linup. With the Mustang already in the Ford linup another “muscle” car will only take away from the sales of the Mustang, not attract new customers to Ford. Ford sells pickup trucks to males, mustangs to females and the rest of the linup is for the american family. Try a luxery car and dont call it a 500, try a roadster, try a convertable (that isnt a mustang). Try something with a stance that looks as good sitting still as it does moving.
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
*look @
Vote:————
so…. FORD SUX, eh?
damn… :|
July 18th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Ok the Shelby Mustang from Hertz is booked for next week in th USA, min age is 25 to hire it……..what they think that us old fart wont thrash it???? HAHAHA
Its a rental dont be gentle!!!!!Will be fun, build quality will be shit compared our GT but its BLOWN so who cares!! Is auto though YUK…….
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Hi all.
I am a Ford fan.
I think that the new design of the “Orion” is the next step in technology and design, comming from underpinnings of a world class car in it’s day. Namely the BA Falcon.
As many do agree, the pictures that were stumbled upon are very impressive, including the features boasted by Ford and word of mouth, rumors of small but nevertheless additions to this landmark vehicle. This includes the polished ZF transmission, better weight distribution, and of all things, Zenon headlights. It seems Ford has pulled out all the stops with its development.
However, it sadens many workers in the vacinity of Geelong, that their beloved inline-six will be exposed of for a lighter, V6 format. Little do people know that, with lower torque, this V6 has less pulling power, that is common knowledge for tradies with falcon utes.
I can see past Ford’s reasoning for this decision, but is there any way that they could not develop an all alloy version inline six with all the goodies – including direct injection, double overhead camshafts and variable valve timing?
Hopefully, Ford will once again reign supreme in the power race too, as talk of this twin-turbo V6 boils. Perhaps there may be a Godzilla reborn… not from Nissan, but in a different stable.
Will the fire breathing, “top-of-the-line” GT and GT-P models actually be quicker than the F6 version?
All will be revealed, soon we hope, as we can put rumors to bed, and bring facts to life.
Falcon Orion will be king, and long may it reign.
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
OK i am a Fully Qaulified Mercedes Benz Technician, I know my stuff as well as design rules and patterns.
I can safely tell everybody here that if you cover the Front and back of the “new 2008″ Ford Falcon with your hands, that it will look Exactly like the new VE Holden Commodore. why?
1. The front wheel Arch gaurd has the same L.E.D blinkers as the VE
2.front and rear doors as well as C pilar and A pilar have the exact same design pattern and for the rear door its a 70 degree angle finish replicated on the VE including the ass end down slant to the front wheel Arch Eg. The car sits higher at the rear and progresses to a slanted finish at the front.
3 Rear Qaurter window is located in the same position
as the VE
4. The newly added Euro door handles which showed up on the VE first.
5. The dual exauhst tips which carry On from the Commodore Calais and HSV range.
I must also add that The rear styling has not changed muched besides the the tail lights.Does not seem like a whole new shape to brag about or get excited about as its only a FORD.This comment goes out to holden aswell.
I must say that DUE TO MY EXPERINCES Holdens are much more refined, powerful, and better styling over the ford, In my opionion Holden still Wins over the Fords and has been winning ever since they brought out the shitty EA to AU models. with Terribly Ridiculous styling that never wants to make you drive a car again.
So to sum up Holden is a better overall car then Ford.
Now for those who want a real car with unique styling and sexy ways, then at least you got half a brain and buy a European car like BMW or Mercedes Benz excluding renault, citroen, peaugot,. i would not be wasting my money on a Ford or holden, unless i wanted a V8 which Holden supplies the best of the V8 variants.
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Annonymous Mechanic,
just a few corrections
1. the ford is more powerful
2. holden just put the new handles in aswell and since they are the 2nd last to get rid of the recessed style i think they can hardly lay claim to them. i give more credit to mitsubishi magna/380 for them
3. rear qtr window ….well where else is it suppose to go……hhhmmmmm on the front doors?
4.the side blinkers arent the same, holden put theirs over a tacky guard vent
5.EA-AU all bad models?? pfft dont forget amongst that was the era where ford was on top with sales over holden and i reckon the EF, EL’s were a couple of the best fords ever made. there is a lot of them still out there going strong with 500,000 on the clock
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
oh yeah missile i forgot to ask where did you read about that 40th ann GT that went for $100k?
Vote:that is unheard of nowdays
July 18th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
What sad is that Ford have tryed to make there 08 AU look like a VE but have failed misserably.
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Andrew I am trying to find it,I have only bought Motor and Unique cars in the week so in one of those I think!
Why would Ford Matthew want their car to look like a VE?
Ford buyers would never buy it,give up and go away!
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Kinda looks like a big hunk of plastic that is based on the last hunk of plastic, this is just a bit uglier
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Matthew,(the guy who obviously cant back his opinions with facts)
If it’s going to be a failure it will fail by it’s self, with or with out your mindless comments…
Why dont you go do something constructive, like have a wank about how cool you are?
Vote:July 18th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Anonymous mechanic……..are you on drugs? I wouldnt want you to work on my Mercedes because you really really dont know what you are talikng about. Holden more refined ?? Where do you get your info from? Eveyone (except you ) knows the Falcon driveline is way ahead of the VE. I dont think the Ve an overall good looking car…………the rear end is so high i bet you have no rear vision at all……..and the A pillar blocks forward vision according to eveyone who has driven one. Has anyone wiped off those ridiculous front wheel arches yet? They should creata alot of work for panel beaters !!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 12:04 am
hamster……..you would know about hunks of plastic i guess being a Holden fan. HSV have been hanging hunks of plastic off Commodes for years………..and not fitting it properly !!!!!!! My mates Clubby has had so many bits fall off its not funny !!!!!! Inside and out!!!!!! PLASTIC BITS.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 7:38 am
We need this in Texas, y’all e-mail Ford and tell them to bring it on, we can’t wait for the Interceptor!
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 9:49 am
Hey Andrew on the indicators in the side vents.I think the indicators look like there on the side mirrors.I think there just vents like the M3 has {Holden copied }. What you think?
Annonymous Mechanic
Duel tips exhaust!!!!The BFs had had for a while.
Rear Quarter vent windows same place as the BF are now.
Holden have always been the inferior of the Australian built car and being a mechanic I would have thought you would have relised this.
We owned a mechanical workshop for 15 years and the worst of the 2 was Holden.
Vote:We serviced part of Government fleet car,hertz fleet cars and others,so we saw a mixture of both models .The Holdens warrenty issues seemed never ending! Try driving an old XB Falcon against HQ Holden ,Ford is all over it in performance,handling,stopping and looks. Nothing has changed Holden will always try to play catchup,as they have with the VE. The new Falcon will be the Holdens next bench mark.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Ford are on there way out, and hopefully the Orion as well. 600 job losses, and the staff have no where to go, Ford are having to lay off staff as there sales are so low, there virtually on there knees. If Ford where doing well they could shift the 600 workers elsewhere, but instead have had to lay them off permanently. This gives a good indication that Australians don’t want Fords inferior products, an now there bringing out another virtual lemen, you would think they would have learnt there lession. This AU based Orion will be the final nail in the coffin for Ford.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Mate stop trying to bait us,give up !! You have no idea how to spell let alone about what your talking about. What Holden have never sacked anyone? What did they do with their staff THEY PUT OFF,oh I know I met one resently he was driving a cab in Melbourne,yes it was a FORD .HAHAHA He had soooooo many nice things to say about the company too,NOT.
Vote:‘GO TAKE A STEP OUTSIDE AND SEE WHATS HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD “
July 19th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Ford have to start to realise that Australians are wanting more refinment in there vehicals. There is absolutely nothing refined about the current Falcon, nor a new model based on the current model which was also based on a failed design, the misserable AU. This is why Holden can export cars and actually sell them OS. If Ford tryed to do that with there BF no one would buy it because it looks like a big sloppy unsophisticated American tank. An when they try to sell this bland looking Orion OS it will be a complete failure. Eurpeons will laugh at it, just like they do with all those other silly Yank cars. The VE although based on many US components at least look some what refined in comparrison to that dredfull mess Ford have produced, it’s pathetic. You people need to see the reality and stop being stubborn as you all know the truth. Ford are going backward, not forward, the Orion is a clear demonstration of this, god forbid when they arrive on the market.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
those holden fans just can’t stand that ford was the creator of the car every thing on that car was the idea of ford
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Bavarian Missile, you don’t realize, no matter what you say i don’t agree with you. No matter what i say you will not agree with me. I’m a Holden supporter, i have been for 78 years, the only car in the Ford range that i would consider buying is the Typhoon and the XR6 turbo. All the rest are not even worth looking at. If Ford came up with something good i would be the first to commend it, but they havn’t. so stop your rot and deal with it.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Mate Holden have only been going since 1948,I dont expect you to agree with me just see your wrong !Lol
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Of course i’m wrong, i meant to say 28 years. Nevertheless, at least i have the common sence to state that there are some decent cars coming from Ford, unlike you who is just ignorant.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Matthew, well u surprised me by saying something different (from the usual orion=AU), thought u were a computer generated post… The AU was not exactly a failure, some people did not like the looks, but as far as adding to the brand, it did a good job. For example, IRS BEST in class, the GMH trailing arm system dates back to the early 70’s (even the VE IRS is basically a tweeked COPY of the AU/BA IRS. There were also other things such as the cooling run dry system in the I6’s, ya know radiator hose lunches in the middle of no where & u can still get home (GHM V6 would melt).
Vote:So it was not a complete failure. also if u r a Holden fan fan for 28 years, what are u doing on a Ford forum, go play with the little boy’s on some Holden forum. By the way ford DO export cars, not as many as GMH, but at least u could get your facts right.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Ladies and Gents,
I find it particularly scary that the Matthew guy above is so ignorant.
If Ford was going backwards, why would they be developing a new vehicle? Development does cost money.
Secondly, why would the “failing” company you describe want to bring the assembly of the Focus (a fine vehicle I must add) to Australia?
Perhaps you should go find a valid arguement, instead of littering this forum with tabloid crap. It sickens us all.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
I am not ignorant,just giving the facts from experience like yourself. As we are clearly a similar age !
I have owned Holdens as well and the only one I regret that we sold ,was an A9X . Not due to how it drove but for what its worth now. It was purchased as a collectors item 18 years ago with only 13000 klms on the dial. Sold it for space in the garage for $29,000 a lot of money for one in 1989. Black 4 door cream interior is now in NSW. Have owned several SS Commodores thinking one would be better than than the next,but alas at around 30,000 klms the things disappointed me. I know my bench mark at the time was BMWs but we did have an XA GT Coupe also at the time {that we still have}and had a new Ford same era as the commodore that was simply a better car to drive! The Commodores simply just weren’t the same quality. We owned a workshop also and found the biggest problem car from the fleets we serviced were Holdens. So sorry but my opinion is based on what I have provided to you and I guess you will have yours and I shall have mine as you mentioned. Oh and husband bought a BA GT over the Monaro we tested at the time cause ,well they still didn’t handle as well as a Ford of the same era,a TS50 .You have to agree when it comes to old Australian Muscle Cars Fords still are the best and worth the most! Come lets agree on something
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Annonymous Mechanic, not sure where u were trained (I am also a mechanic), but as quoted:
I can safely tell everybody here that if you cover the Front and back of the “new 2008″ Ford Falcon with your hands, that it will look Exactly like the new VE Holden Commodore.- CRAP, DIFFERENT ROOFLINE, ROOFLINE IS EVEN DIFFERENT TO BA,
front wheel Arch gaurd has the same L.E.D blinkers as the VE – WRONG, SHOW ME THE CRAPY VE VENTS.
front and rear doors as well as C pilar and A pilar have the exact same design pattern and for the rear door its a 70 degree angle finish replicated on the VE including the ass end down slant to the front wheel Arch Eg. The car sits higher at the rear and progresses to a slanted finish at the front. – DON’T THINK SO, ILLUSION, LOOK CLOSELY AT THE PHOTO’s, CAR DOES NOT SLANT FROM BACK TO FRONT. REAR DOORS LOOK MORE LIKE HONDA EURO.
Rear Qaurter window is located in the same position
as the VE – THAT’s WHERE REAR QUARTER WINDOWS GO, LOOK AT A 60’s OR 70’s MODEL FORD/HOLDEN SAME>
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON THE REST OF YOUR GARBAGE….
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
What else astonishes me as well with certain Holden fans. Now the Engine plant MAY be closing in Geelong, I now hear “cant even build your own engine any more”. Well when did the Holden straight 6 DIE, let me see OVER 20 YEARS ago. But some even thought the NISSAN 6 in the VL was a Holden engine. Funny thing I couldnt figure out, I was working at th Nissan dealer at the time of the VL, as soon as the engine was put in the VL, BANG, cracked cam tunnels, NEVER happened in the Skyline (say’s something for Holden engineering). There was a Holden dealer across the roas, we asked them what they thought it was, they told us that they believed it was the Holden coolant (as Holden wanted to use their own)……
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Put it this way people, if the Orion out sells the VE, i will be the first one to congratulate all of you in the fact you were right. But i very much doubt that will happen. The VE will out sell the Orion, guaranteed. I also have a feeling you all know that the Orion will not sell as well as the VE but are reluctant to admit the truth.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
matthew,
have you ever owned a falcon? i doubt it.
one main thing holden does better than ford is marketing. yep the same sorta marketing that seems to have gotten you to hate fords. you keep saying the same things over and over again with out directly pointing to the things that make holden superior. you carry on like a child. im guessing that even 28 years is a lie just because i dont think you are 40. if you are 40 im surprised you havent been knocked down by now.
you think holdens are something that runs around race tracks and dominated in the 2000-2001 era. that is where holden gets a lot of votes. those V8 supercars are not fords nor holdens.
dont get me wrong i am a big fan of V8 supercars, i think it is one of the best categories and as always it makes me feel good when ford wins even though both cars on the track are speced the same. you see i can see outside that world. there is only one holden team that would still make me smile if they won….good old perkins racing. oh and you notice holden fans are 99% HRT fans? that proves my point, as they were the team that dominated that era around 2000.
hey missile i know you are a supercar fan i just bought my tickets today for the local round in QLD. gee those things keep going up every year
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 9:03 pm
matthew,
get over your sales means its good crap.
tell me why the likes of audi and BMW dont out sell holden then?
oh yeah and for the engine plant shutting down thing you ovviously hadnt read any articles or posts on that one so let me know when you do. im sure you wont cause you will see your perception is wrong.
besides holden seems to genuinely lay off workers every year. ford has been the last to do it and as XXXX kindly did the math holden did it as he said 20 years ago. when you do some research you will find the employees wont be homeless like the headlines portray.
MATTHEW STOP CLUTCHING AT STRAWS
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Either way you want to cut it Andrew, Ford laying off 600 workers is a sign of poor business.
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Matthew, didnt GHM lay off 1600 workers (1 entire shift) either 1 or 2 yrs ago? Andrew. M, well said. if the “billion dollar baby” was as good as Matthew THINKS it is, maybe it should out sell ALL vehicles….. Oh and another thing, Ford are now studying if it’s viable to do the V6 here……
Vote:July 19th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
I am envious Andrew,I missed seeing the round in Perth this year cause our son had a knee reconstruction.
You going for 3 days ? Yep expensive $100 a day includes pits pass here. Annoyed they don’t have V8 superstars anymore,they were fantastic after the event on a Monday night. I bought Russell’s front guard there you know that one he pushed Skaifie off with at Eastern Creek last race of the season.You remember……..Skaifie shook his fist at Russell when he drove towards him…….hahaha. Ambrose won the Championship .They auctioned it off at the event. Sits in my office along with a card board cut out of Russell ,signed shirts from him and numerous pictures of his cars. Yep I am a Russell fan !!! Craig also a great bloke.Unlike crash Bandicoot,what a tool !!
Lost my voice one year screaming out for Russell,he signed the front of my shirt that meeting {whilst wearing it} ,husband nick named him the grooper for obvious reasons. He signed it again the following year.Funny guy and loves kids.
Have fun this weekend.Go the Fords !!!!
2007 V8 Supercar Championship Series – Round 7 of 14
Queensland Raceway, Ipswich, QLD – July 20 – 22
Schedule
Friday 20 July
1:15pm – 3:45pm – Practice
Saturday 21 July
11:35am – 12:30pm – Qualifying
3:35pm – Race One (38 laps)
Sunday 22 July
11:00am – Race Two (38 laps)
1:40pm – Race Three (38 laps)
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Saturday 21 July
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July 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
that matthew guy has no idea. the VE is a newer model than the BF and STILL only barely matches it in terms of technology and development. For a new model to only match, no exceed, an older model is pretty pathetic.
the new falcon will again be 5 years ahead of the commodore and they will play catchup once more.
the only thing keeping holden alive is stupid ignorant australians like you who have no idea what they are talking about.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 3:47 am
Speak for yourself dirtbag.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 3:49 am
“the new falcon will again be 5 years ahead of the commodore and they will play catchup once more.”
Dream on mate, you have your head in the clouds.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 9:03 am
I’m going to end this talk for myself a least by saying that i do hope the Orion is a success. Even though drive a VE SS and have been a Holden fan for sometime, i hope the Orion will sell as it will keep Aussies in jobs and that is the most important thing, not what car is the best. If Aussie cars don’t sell it will mean a saturation of Asian vehicals and many jobs losts, so yes i think the Aussie car makers must stick together and keep the large family sedan alive.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
yes Holden fans………..Holden have sacked large numbers of workers too. And dont think all is fine at Holden either. They lost $150 million or something last year. VE has cost them way too much which is why they can only afford to import Korean junk. Really they need to seel 3 times as many commodes as they are. The exports wont last forever, it will hold them up for a while but once GM get back on their feet in the USA things might change. With Holdens well renowned poor build quality the Yanks will probably get tired of fixing them anyway !!!!!!!!!!! Gm Holden may yet turn into GM Daewoo.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
^ your a toss mate.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Your waisting your time on this guy,we have all tried giving Matthew the facts,…but hes is not listening to anyone. After reading some of his other posts he sounds as if he has nothing nice to say about any thing other than Holdens. Come on Matthew can you be posative about anything?
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
If i have been childish in denigrating Ford motorcars, than you lot have been equally denigrating toward Holden’s. The fact is i have driven every Ford BF model apart from the V8’s. I have driven the Turbo and the Typhoon and liked them. I’ve driven the EVO9, 07 STi and WRX as well as the VE R8 and the VE SS. Out of all the cars that i tested before buying the VE SS, the EVO killed every one of them in every area apart from comfort. I’m not going to fool myself like you lot in proclaiming that Fords are the best car out there because there not. Even as a Holden man myself i would rather an EVO and STi over a Ford or Holden. If i had the 60 odd grand needed, that is i would have gone. The Fords although good were not as refined as the VE’s that i drove and i was objective in my assessment. You could feel the Falcon was from another era. I chose the SS as it was the best mix of all the cars i drove and it was a steel at 47 grand with 20′ wheels and DVD player on the road. If the Turbo was as good that’s were i would have gone, but it wasn’t. I’m fair, i went to buy a car with an open mind and was impartial to either Ford or Holden. Holden delivered the better package at the time. I very much doubt any of you have recently driven the multitude of cars i have just recently, you talk like you’re an authority on the subject. If the Orion is better than the VE i will gladly go down that path, but as I have said, how could it be when it’s based on an old chassis?.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Matthew……how can you say the Orion will be on an old chassis? The difference in ride and handling between VE and BFII is nothing. So with a new front suspension from the Teritory and updates to the fantastic control blade rear end it will be a generation ahead of the Holden. Ford didnt need to change the whole vehicle because it was not so outdated as the previous commodes are. Holden had to spend more to catch up with everyone else.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
What Rick just said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
*watch as Matthew rides his bike backwards….*
This:
“Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.”
To this:
“I hope the Orion will sell as it will keep Aussies in jobs and that is the most important thing, not what car is the best. If Aussie cars don’t sell it will mean a saturation of Asian vehicals and many jobs losts, so yes i think the Aussie car makers must stick together and keep the large family sedan alive.”
You have lost touch Matthew:
-You hate Ford
-You hope Ford fail
-You hope Ford leave Australia
-You would spit in the face of a ford employee his/her family.
-You wish for Aussie roads to be filled with Holden’s
-You also suck cock.
Don’t start trying to Win back support for your statements and sound intelligent… aint going to happen mate, everyone knows you’re a one-sided, no-nothing shit talker.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Guys on the Ford Forum have just posted the next wheels cover,with the pics that we all got last week of the Phoon 300kw and GT, 320kw !!!!!!!!!! So stuff that in your pipe Holden and smoke it
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
HUHUH Holden have a 370 kw 7.0 litre just relesed, so why dont you eat it. go drive your ford ands overheat it on the M4 hahaha, blow a head gasket already.
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
oh and by the way come back to when ford make a concept as good as the New Torana
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
all you fuckers know that ford copied the current VE styling, just admitt it because its so obvious that your jelous of holden, i can see it so much. The only way that ford will get somwhere now is by copying the design ofcoarse from its competition, not bmw not merc but From holden to try and compete with who has the better styling of exactly the same fucking car.
Ford have o fucking idea on how to design a car thats how the AU was born. Fine lines with gaps that open for a mile hahaha. i call t.he AU gay chinese noodle
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Annonymous Mechanic likes talking to him self….
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Dan the guy is in a nightmare but he thinks its a DREAM
Forget him,he is just another Holden bogan!!!!!!
Vote:July 20th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Nice flame war gents. Funniest thing I’ve read for a while. Matthew and Mechanic are both spoons and should go elsewhere.
Nice car.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 12:37 am
Hi, all
im a Ford fan!!! (Go Ford!!!)
i dont no wat u folks hav been smoking but….wel never mind that….
the VE is a plain copy of the 2005 mustang, 2006 BMW, 2005 BA Falcon and so on….
the only thing the Orian has in common with the VE is the gards. other than that they are two completely diferent cars.
as for the 2007 V8 Supercar series wel…yes the VE has been winning but look at the winning cars all ONE team HRT/HSV…yes on the outside they are to different teams but….if the VE sh*ts all over the BA/BF then why arnt all the fords at the back and all the holden at the frount??? my point is that the OLD BA/BF is BETTER than the VE.
Once the Orian is in action youll see than it sh*ts all over the VE. yes maybe it has had an extra year to develop but who cares.
as for the guy that says the VE will sell better than the Orian well…..anyone wil expect it to becaust it would have had atleast and extra 2 years on the market!!
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 12:46 am
why are all holden fans a pack of wankers? they are all a bunch of westies with mullets and beer gut morons with an old beat up VB commodores who think they know what they are talking about. its hilarious.
Annonymous Mechanic is a perfect example. This car has been in the making for years and what they just decided to wait until the new commodore was realeased to create the design? or are you that stupid to think the first drawings of the car were only created when the VE came out and they developed a new car in less than a year?? seriously mate wake up.
Even if what you are saying it looks the same – the techology in the car is again 5 years ahead of the VE. The VE is a model that was built to catchup to the development and techology in the BA/BF, and this new falcon will once again blow the commodore out of the water.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 1:22 am
well said daniel
commodore is only playing catch up
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 1:22 am
I love it when Matthew is proved wrong he doesnt know what to say except
Matthew said
July 20 2007 @ 1:35 pm
^ your a toss mate.
or
Matthew said
July 20 2007 @ 3:47 am
Speak for yourself dirtbag.
Clearly someone who can’t backup his ranting with facts. We can sit here all day and argue with you, you’ll never get it through your head.
When holden can sell a 40 year old car for $750,000, come back and argue with us.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 5:12 am
The ve was designed 5 years ago and ba was releasd in 2002 with the xt.its clear holden copys ford.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:24 am
Is Annonymous Mechanic drunk typing these things…or just some dumb kid, i mean how can u fill one of these comment boxes with that sort of rubbish then read it thinking its a great thing to say, and i know this is the internet but learn some basic sentence structures. And daniel sure Holden fans are generally more blue collar but lets not stoop to petty crap. What a great looking car…
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:44 am
Swap the badges with holden ones and the VEs with ford and it would be the complete reverse… ford would get shit for the tacky matt plastic door handles and option air con…. Holden fans would hate fords VE and it would be the biggest piece of crap in the world to them
Brand loyalty gone to far…. the only reason holdens korean things sell…
Although im bias in my own ways… i like to buy my cars on performance, saftey, looks, experience and logic… not just blind brand stupidity… some of these people are wrapped around holdens little finger…and go on about how ford fans are brainwashed….wow…
not that its relevant but of our current 8 cars (family of 5 drivers) 4 are fords…. gave up on holdens years ago….our VT practicully fell apart and the HSV was just plain stolen, the VN blew everything the next VT was rubbish…. oh and 2003 statesman written off (it rear ended us) by a hyndai…… and the other car only need minor repairs…
one of my mates has a VP and keeps comparing it to my ED falcon….but the ED smokes his in every way… looks (i know thats opinion) 0-100, parking, handling, burnouts, not looking like a seedy bogan(ok below the belt)
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 10:16 am
Looks like Ford are importing there engines now because the old 4L has had its day. Now Ford can’t even build there 6 cylinder in Australia, quite useless. What’s next? there going to sack there work force and build there cars in China?. Every time i see a Ford it reminds me of a dirty stinking Taxi where people have vomited everywhere, not a good image to have, and a lot of my friends feels the same. I was sitting in a Ford silver Taxi the other day and i was looking a the dash board, the seats, the inner style of the car, and i must say it was shocking. No wonder Ford have to produce a new car, the old one stinks. When i compared the basic inner layout of the car to my SS, the SS was 10-15 years ahead in styling and comfort. This was a Fairmont Taxi, not just a BA or BF, it was the luxury model and it was very poorly finished off inside. Then there’s the pathetic problem of trying to get out of the back doors as the hinges don’t open up wide enough, absolutely pathetic. When i drove the Turbo and the Typhoon, great engines but it fell like i was sitting on top of the car, not in it. Then you have that stupid centre console that gets in the way of making gear changes, what stupid individual at Ford designed that?, they must have been on dope. The only way to get around that is to increase the height of the seat and then you head virtually hits the roof, I’m only 5′10 and this was the case. They just don’t think at Ford, there lacking brain cells, so instead they just try and replicate Holden. This Orion looks like a VZ at the rear and the new R35GTR at the front, Ford get your own ideas, for Christ sake. No wonder Fords sales suck. Ford don’t even have ESP for safety, nearly all Euro cars as well as the VE have it, how backward is that?. Not only are there electronic safety systems poor there engineering is poor also.
1. Get rid of those ancient iron block V8’s and inline 6’s, the world has moved on, there heavy and cumbersome. Sure the Typhoon and Turbo’s need the iron block but the aspirated V8’s and 6’s don’t!. Get with the real world!!!
2. Ford have there big heavy engines sitting to far over the front axles making the car a pig to drive and handle, particularly the V8 models. Look where Holden mount there V8’s, there’s more mass behind the front axes than beyond it creating superior balance.
3. Ford have here big fuel tank right under the boot trying to off set the massive weight up front, totally old hat. They should take a leaf out of Holden’s book and move the engine back and the fuel tanks forward to get a near 50/50 weight distribution. There stupid car would handle better for it. In any event we all know this is what Ford will do with the Orion as they are always the followers never the pioneers.
4. There FPV’s have skinny 245 rears, the HSV’s now have 275’s. The FPV’s would have nowhere near the rear end grip of the HSV’s out of corners, coupled with the HSV’s far superior weight distribution.
5. Your styling is bland, a symbol of the dense characters who are creating these piles of rubbish.
6. Your getting your butts well and truly kicked on the race track week in week out, that tells you something about your Fords, the VE race cars are still new and not even fully developed and there still beating you!!!!!!!.
7. When are you going to produce a modern chassis instead of that old AU chassis that would be nowhere in the vicinity of the strength or stiffness of the VE’s? No wonder the Holden has better handling and safety.
8. Time to wake up and see the truth.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 11:16 am
Mate your like a parrot,you keep saying the same thing and we keep answering you with the facts. Go back to the VE post and stroke your sklong over there. PLEASE……
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 11:40 am
^You must be blind, there is very little i have repeated in that post and you have no come back to the facts. In any event, you can’t win, you can’t beat me because i will just keep coming back for more as i truly feel the Orion is inferior, you cannot change my resolve about this issue.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 11:51 am
If you think you are an autority on the subject matter Bavarian Missile, please if you will critique the points of 1,2,3,4 and 6 please, not anyone else, just you, as you portray that you know all. Please tell me where the Falcon is superior to the points i have just mentioned. And you must critique them yourself, not your husband.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 11:59 am
Also while you are at it Barvairan Missile, please tell me why the Falcon chassis based on the AU will be better than the VE chassis which is the strongest and stiffest chassis ever produced in Australia?, i would love to hear your rationale.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Lets hear the so called “FACTs” that you keep tell me you know that i don’t.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Matthew have you ever thought of working in a shop with clocks. That go ding dong over and over, as that seems to be your little amount of grey matter you have in your head. Ford is already a good car, that is biting at holdens million dollar bucket of bolts. For performance and handling and very close, if not matching economy. The orion will be way a head of that thing they a holden.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 12:23 pm
^ More useless rhetoric. Barvarin Missile please answer the questions i have presented to you.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pm
hey matthew are those facts you stated about the 5 year old BA falcon or the orion because it would seem you are comparing an old model to the new model the orion has not been released yet and we won’t know what it’s stats are until it is released this article is about the next falcon not how holdens billion doller bogan is better then an outgoing model
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 4:59 pm
I really can’t believe ford are presenting this as their new falcon. It’s obviously a knock-off of the new VE. Ford have lost all of its style and is now concentrating on copying other companies designs. It really does look like the end for ford.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:03 pm
“hey matthew are those facts you stated about the 5 year old BA falcon or the orion because it would seem you are comparing an old model to the new model the orion has not been released yet and we won’t know what it’s stats are until it is released this article is about the next falcon not how holdens billion doller bogan is better then an outgoing model”
I’m talking about the current model.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Matthew, let me counter your points (as you NEVER answer mine).
Looks like Ford are importing there engines now because the old 4L has had its day. Now Ford can’t even build there 6 cylinder in Australia, quite useless. – WELL DIDNT THE HOLDEN STRAIGHT 6 DIE IN THE EARLY 80′S? THEN THEY WENT TO A NISSAN 6, THEN A BUICK V6, ASSEMBLED HERE. EVEN THE ALLOYTEC 6 IS NOT AUSSIE DESIGNED, THE BLOCKS COME FROM MEXICO & ASSEMBLED HERE.
Get rid of those ancient iron block V8’s and inline 6’s, the world has moved on, there heavy and cumbersome. Sure the Typhoon and Turbo’s need the iron block but the aspirated V8’s and 6’s don’t!. Get with the real world!!!- WELL AT LEAST THEY HAVE ALLOY SINGLE OR TWIN OVERHEAD CAMS, NOT OLD PUSHRODS.
Ford have here big fuel tank right under the boot trying to off set the massive weight up front, totally old hat. They should take a leaf out of Holden’s book and move the engine back and the fuel tanks forward to get a near 50/50 weight distribution. There stupid car would handle better for it. In any event we all know this is what Ford will do with the Orion as they are always the followers never the pioneers.- HELLO, FROM BA ON THE FUEL TANK US NOT UNDER THE BOOT, IN FACT AS PER MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD THE FUEL TANK IS MOUNTED FOWARD OF THE REAR AXLE, UNDER THE REAR SEAT FLOOR.
There FPV’s have skinny 245 rears, the HSV’s now have 275’s. The FPV’s would have nowhere near the rear end grip of the HSV’s out of corners, coupled with the HSV’s far superior weight distribution. – WIDER DOWS NOT MEAN BETTER, A FORMULA FORD WITH SKINNY WHEELS WOULD AOU HANDLE BOTH FPV & HSV
Your getting your butts well and truly kicked on the race track week in week out, that tells you something about your Fords, the VE race cars are still new and not even fully developed and there still beating you!!!!!!!. – EXCUSE ME, WHO WON THE LAST ROUND. AS I HAVE AS I SAID B4, WHERE ARE THE HOLDEN/CHEVS IN WORLD MOTORSPORT??????
When are you going to produce a modern chassis instead of that old AU chassis that would be nowhere in the vicinity of the strength or stiffness of the VE’s? No wonder the Holden has better handling and safety. – WELL ba WAS 30% STIFFER THAN AU, BF EVEN STIFFER, PLEASE TRY TO READ BOTH SIDES B4 RAMBLING ON & ON & ON
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:10 pm
Also MATTHEW, did’nt GMH sack 1600 workers (an entire shift I believe) about 1 – 2 years ago?? And have since let go even more? If you bothered to watch current affiars shows, you would have seen last year that they even hired slave labour from eastern Europe for the design of a new paint shop.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pm
XXXX are you Barvarin Missiles husband? because i asked her to answer the question not you, you don’t pay attention, typical Ford drone.
The 275’s are going to kill your 245’s for grip, get real mate!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Holden build there engines here, Ford will be importing them, great for jobs for Aussies NOT!
You want to talk about pushrods, Ford are going back to them for there V8’s, copying Holden again!
Even with Ford pushing the tank forward it’s still not the 50/50 that Holden have.
Who’s leading the Championship? HOLDEN!!!!!! NOT your unsophisticted Ford!
The VE’s chassis is 200% stiffer than the BF, the BF is as flimsy as a piece of rubber.
Glad you answered the questiones i asked Barvarian Missile to answer because obviously she could not answer them, and you don’t read!.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Barvarin Missile if your out there, you know nothing. Thats why someone else had to answer for you, your a cop out.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pm
And as for you 4X, you sound as drunk as your name suggests, where do you live?, sounds like in a vat of XXXX beer.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Matthew, the facts are there, what, u cant even read properly. I do not hate holden, I just cannot stand when TOSSERS like yourself come to a forum which you clearly HATE the subject, just to be a child making comments you know nothing about to upset ppl. Do you see me in the VE section annoying ppl? NO, in one of your last posts you said you have been a holden fan for 28 years? dont think so, more like 28 months, your posts are about as smart as a 15 year olds. Any way as usual, cant answer my thoughts, just stir again………
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pm
“TOSSERS”, speak for yourself.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:13 pm
And if i sound like i’m 15 you sound like your 7 or maybe below.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Matthew, by the way, I am a mechanic. I have worked on & driven both brands, I just believe Ford’s are betta, just as u think Holden are betta, hell my old man drives a VS Berlina, but is was bought out of economics. Back in 1999 he wanted to but an EL, but prices were too prohibitive, so he bought the VS. Since then he wished he spent the extra, those 3.8’s are nothing but oil baths. Also I call myself XXXX as I wish my name to not be known…
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Matthew, if u MUST know, I am 40 & have been working in the auso industry since I was 17. What do u co for a living? Complain??
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:27 pm
STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED ANY OF MY POSTS, WHO IS THE TOSSER????
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:27 pm
There is only one Fucking decent car on the road and that is a Ford xr6 turbo/ These things ram the tacho needle through the fucking rev limiter like a fucking jet engine so all you tossers that drive anything alse, fuck off
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Well said Rod. Everyone has forgotten, how many DECADES did it take HDT/HSV to build a car that is faster than an XY GT HO Phase 3??? About 30 years, geez they are quick at GMH……
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
XXXX, are you silly?, what did i do at 6.44pm?, i new you could not read nor pay attention. Did you go to Uni?, bullsh-t! you would not have even got past year 7 with your antics. In any case i’m here to talk cars, not about you.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:34 pm
And Rod, your nuts mate. The Turbo yes is great, i like it, but the best car on the street, forget it!. The EVO would kill you.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Hey Rick Harris. Blow me. I wouldnt buy an Australian made excuse of a muscle car, theyre all production line rubbish, this is no exception.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pm
From Carsguide.com
“Orion will get a new body on proven mechanicals, meaning the existing six-cylinder and V8 engines will carry over with improved fuel economy. The suspensions, too, are expected to be retained, but with improvements in ride and handling”
The old car is being re-skinned; a virtually ten year old car from the 90’s going into the 21st century, wow that must be short of cash to produce a new model. It must be due to the fact Australians hate there cars.
Vote:“There will be more a pronounced console separating the front-seat passenger and driver and a reworked dashboard and gauges that, like the VE Commodore, will also include an LED speedo readout. “
“Following a European trend, the rear-view mirrors will now feature indicator lights.”
If you can’t beat them, join them! Ford have never strayed way from copying Holden.
“The current car’s narrow rear-door opening, long criticised by fleet operators, is now more curved and appears to be longer.”
They had to fix those pathetic rear doors!
“In an effort to trim weight, Ford is believed to have been trialling a space-saver spare for the car, in a similar fashion to the VE Commodore, which has made a spacesaver standard and full-size spare a $100 option.”
Following Holdens lead again, Ford gets you own ideas.
“The company is said to have been benchmarking Audi interior quality levels.’
Dream on!
‘Performance for the FPV V8s is also believed to have been increased to more than 300kW.’
They have had to increase the power of there V8’s to compete, but what about that massive torque hole low down?
‘High-end models are expected to get xenon headlights. Matching the contemporary looks are new pull-style door handles that replace the recessed handles of the current Falcons”
Copying Holden once more!
July 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Who is this Mathew wanker. Dont talk EVO`S on this site mate. You have been wanking over your slot car set for too long. This is a mans site who own mens cars. Listen from experience, my Ford XR6 turbo piss`s all over my mates 2007 Coomadore R8 from a standing start all the way to top end. I know because I have done it. Evo`s dont light up the rear like a XR6 dose mate. It just not the same.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:01 pm
“Evo`s dont light up the rear like a XR6 dose mate. It just not the’
Yes they get the power down and would wallop you off the mark and around the streets. Your Turbo would not have a chance.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Hi everyone,
How good do the pictures look!!I have worked in the car industry for the past 5 years. Basically I do testing for Ford and Holden on there cars in every department as part of a warranty procedure. To see how long parts last,performace figures,ect.For years I have been a holden man. My reasonings for this are quiet simple. I have always belived in my opinion that holdens are a better looking car but let me tell you that once driving both cars your mind becomes confused.
The main reason for my comment is to put in my two bobs in on this discussion which primarily is discussing the new Ford. Wether your a Holden fan or ford Fan, you cannot sit here and say that from these pictures are ugly. Its a fantastic looking car. Holden fans, there is siularities to the VE but you have to expect that.. car design cant keep differentiating that much other wise you will see what happend with the AU when ford sales plumeted when trying to change things around to much. And as stated before holden did make sum things look very simular on the VE to the BA/BF due to BA/BF success in the styling. Why change a good thing?
I have driven VE’s and BF’s and belive me there is not much in them.. once again all opinion based but both great looking cars and great to drive but ill give you a run down on what i think. I will say in confidence though, the ZF gear box and 4.0l motor in the ford BA/BF are leagues ahead of holden 5 speed auto and 3.6 alloytech in the VE.Power, torque and the way the whole gearbox works with the motor is far more adequate. As for performace handling I cannot comment because at legal speeds both car handled great.. only at there limits will a proper judgment be possible which takes me to a next point… you can accelrate of ligts to the speed limit, you can brake hard to stop in a hurry if need be, but the way these cars are getting made now, you have to be going very fast to get messy in the corners in any Performance Ford or Holden. The turbo 6 is a corker and personally would take it over the LS2 and the Boss 290. My opinion on the V8’s is 1 sided unfortunatly… Holden has the more powerful motor in this department… Fords have better 6’s.
The LS2 believe it or not, is more fuel efficient and has power from when you take off.. the boss lacks low down get up and go….. but it has a fantastic note.
My only advice is wait and see what the new ford look likes because I think ill be a ford man come next year…
I can answer some questions…. same turbo motor will be used just more power, around 270kw…. GTs bewtween 300 – 310kW at the most…. and typhoon about 290KW.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Matthew don’t you have a life ?? And cant I have one,without having to answer your childish tandies!”Don’t ask my husband to answer”,grow up !!!!!XXXX is not my husband just another member of this post who is sick and tired of your dribble .This post is about the new Orion ,you know the car that hasn’t come out yet that your canning before you have even driven it.Have you ever owned a Ford,think that question was already asked of you ,answer???????
What are YOUR ENGINEEING QUALIFATIONS to ask the questions below?
Matthews questions
Question
1. Get rid of those ancient iron block V8’s and inline 6’s, the world has moved on, there heavy and cumbersome. Sure the Typhoon and Turbo’s need the iron block but the aspirated V8’s and 6’s don’t!. Get with the real world!!!
Answer to question 1. What’s wrong with iron block V8 apart from the weight factor,would you like to see the FORDs GTs block from the USA then I imagine Holden really will get their arse nailed. Nothing wrong with inline 6s, only reason there getting canned is due to Ford coming in line with the Euro III emissions .I hope your not running inline 6s down in general,cause it seems BMW have been doing ok with theirs for years now. 252kw out of an inline 6 is pretty good. The taxi drivers around Australia have found them reliable and economical for decades.
2. Ford have there big heavy engines sitting to far over the front axles making the car a pig to drive and handle, particularly the V8 models. Look where Holden mount there V8’s, there’s more mass behind the front axes than beyond it creating superior balance.
Answer to question 2
UMM how long have Holden had 50/50 weight distribution? Oh yes only in the VE after they copied BMW set up,and if the 5 year old BA/BF series is that bad then why can and that old Ford with a hair drier on it beat a VE SS around Calder as per the last Motor issue?????? MMMMM
3. Ford have here big fuel tank right under the boot trying to off set the massive weight up front, totally old hat. They should take a leaf out of Holden’s book and move the engine back and the fuel tanks forward to get a near 50/50 weight distribution. There stupid car would handle better for it. In any event we all know this is what Ford will do with the Orion as they are always the followers never the pioneers.
Answer to question 3
See answer 2.Holden Pioneers,the biggest copy cats you mean…..How do know what the next Orion is going to have as far as weight distribution? Holden didn’t pioneer any thing in the VE. I have asked before how many patents did Holden put in for the VE ???
4. There FPV’s have skinny 245 rears, the HSV’s now have 275’s. The FPV’s would have nowhere near the rear end grip of the HSV’s out of corners, coupled with the HSV’s far superior weight distribution.
Answer to question 4
Who cares what HSV do ,their not Holden. At lest FPV is 51% owned by Ford. And the GTS was slower around the track at Calder than the SS was ,so hows those big tires working for you now?
5. Your styling is bland, a symbol of the dense characters who are creating these piles of rubbish.
Answer to question 5
Mate take a look at the VZ commodore cause that’s what Holden gave you to go up against the BA/BF .That’s bland!
6. Your getting your butts well and truly kicked on the race track week in week out, that tells you something about your Fords, the VE race cars are still new and not even fully developed and there still beating you!!!!!!!.
Answer to question 6
Don’t get me started on my beloved V8s, 3 years in a row we won the championship,would have one last year if Holden hadn’t of cheated in the last round. Yes Ford are struggling with the old BA shape against the new VE shape but that will be soon rectified when the Orion comes on board. We are only half way through the Championship too. Your clearly not a viewer cause you would have been watching it this afternoon like me not going on and on like you have been all afternoon on this post.
7. When are you going to produce a modern chassis instead of that old AU chassis that would be nowhere in the vicinity of the strength or stiffness of the VE’s? No wonder the Holden has better handling and safety.
Answer to question 7
Who knows what the new chassis will be like ? The OLD AU Chassis has been kicking Holdens arse for years {and still is },don’t you know Holdens had never handled up till now?? Or steered !!!!!!
8. Time to wake up and see the truth.
Answer to question 8
Time for you to leave this post.!!
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Matthew, if you are here to talk cars, do’nt sit there with the Bullshit Ford copy Holden all the time, try to say something constructive for a change. And to answer your question, No I did not go to uni, I left Tech School, completed a Mech Eng certificate course, then completed a motor mechanic apprenticeship, all while u were probably bummimg around Uni, completing an arts degree. And no I am NOT Missles husband. Here are a few more answers for ya:
The 275’s are going to kill your 245’s for grip, get real mate!!!!!!!!!!!!. WELL INTERESTING SEEING AS I SUPPOSE U THINK THIS IS THE CASE AS 275’s PUT MORE PRESSURE DOWN??
Holden build there engines here, Ford will be importing them, great for jobs for Aussies NOT!- YEAH NOT GREAT FOR JOBS, BUT AS I SAID B4 IF HOLDEN ARE SO FAR AHEAD, WHY ARE THE ALLOYTEK ENGINES DESIGNED OVERSEAS & MANY OF THE COMPONENTS ARE IMPORTED.
You want to talk about pushrods, Ford are going back to them for there V8’s, copying Holden again!- REALY, IN YOU OWN POST U STATE”the existing six-cylinder and V8 engines will carry over with improved fuel economy”, WAKE UP
Even with Ford pushing the tank forward it’s still not the 50/50 that Holden have. BIG DEAL FORD WAS THE FIRST AUSSIE CAR MAKER TO DO IT (HOLDEN COPIED).
Who’s leading the Championship? HOLDEN!!!!!! NOT your unsophisticted Ford!- FOR NOW, DONT GET AHEAD OF YOURSELF, THING’s CHANGE QUICKLY IN MOTORSPORT. EVEN IF HOLDEN STAY AS AS THEY ARE NOW, AT LEASE THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO PUSH OTHERS OFF TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.
The VE’s chassis is 200% stiffer than the BF, the BF is as flimsy as a piece of rubber. – 200%, THAT’s STRANGE, THOUGHT 100% IS MAX. I DO NOT THINK EITHER OF US WOULD KNOW UNLESS U WORK AT GMH….
Glad you answered the questiones i asked Barvarian Missile to answer because obviously she could not answer them, and you don’t read!.
Yea I do Read, alsi the Orion/VE door handles, they were on the Territory back in 2004, or was it earlier….
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Hey g man what about ba dana diff issues? heard about this with xr models?
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Hey XXXX thanks for the replies , seems we are the same age but Matthew I agree a child.
Funny how I asked for his qualifacations too ? None it seems .
My husband is a FORD FORUM member has been for 3 years so maybe you could go over to the Ford Forum cause I know those guys are dying to meet you.lol…
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Matthew, as Bavarian Missile said WHAT ARE YOUR ENGINEEING QUALIFATIONS. For all we know you may have a degree in garbology….
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Andrew M ,you there?????
Did you have a good time at the V8s today ?
Plenty of biff and barge in the first few laps ,good race.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Thanks Missile, you know Matthew could be that bloke on the McDonalds aee, the one who named the burger years age, for all we know…..
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:05 pm
hahahaha,oh I have that picture now in my head.Thats him.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Bavarian Missile, you answered my questions in part due to the fact XXXX answered them first and you most likely asked you husband to answer for you, as i doubt you know very much technically. And apart from that you’re wrong, dead wrong.
XXXX, your really are ignorant, you ask-
200%, THAT’s STRANGE, THOUGHT 100% IS MAX. I DO NOT THINK EITHER OF US WOULD KNOW UNLESS U WORK AT GMH….
You can go beyond 100% in strength measurements, and if you really do have any mechanical back ground you would know that.
The BF is a joke, the Orion will invoke similar feeling, enough said.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Matthew really drives a vauxall viva with lake pipes, 35kw 4 cyl, & retarded ignition timming so he can turn the key on/off and do back fires. He also has a dice hanging from the rear view mirror & A CD playing Mac the Knife.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:21 pm
^ so silly, Rod you are as much without thought as you are without common sence.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:22 pm
I’m going now guys, see you tommorow, cheers Matt.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Matthew, 200% is pretty good, sounds like u go 200% on yourself too. Well he is gone? Prob fired up the vauxall viva, turned on the flouro’s under the sills & has gone crusin, to talk to the people HE knows that work at GMH. So he can come back tomorrow with some more verbal dih…….
Also Matthew, just trying to make a point about the 200%, anly way u would know for sure is if u work at GMH. Do not believe what u read in wheels or especially MOTOR….
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Bavarian Missile, why would the Ford Forum guys be dying to meet me? I’m nothing special, just a Ford fan, like yourself.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Just thought Matthew left @ 9:22, must really be time to put jammies on, brush teeth, kiss teddy goodnight & get to bed, lol….
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Theres nothing wrong with iron blocks mate, and they are stronger too.
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Lol sorry ,dying to meet Matthew I meant!!!
Fat Cat gone to bed ha.
I think he’s gone down to the newsagency on his bike to get the latest Motor!!!Hahaha
Vote:July 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Im sick of people comparing the au to ba and orion,ba is not the same as au at all.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 am
^ of course it’s not the same skin but it is virtually the same chassis. The orion chassis will be based on the BF, so yes, the Orion has AU underpinnings, you don’t have to be rocket scientist to quantify that. And this is where Ford are going wrong. They need to produce something new, not continue with the past. Imagine if they did a new chassis, that would be big news, and it very well could be better than the VE’s, but there being lazy and most likely don’t have the money to produce a new platform due to poor sales.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 am
The making of a good chassis is something stiff and rigid so the suspention can work optimally with also provinding strengh. This new Orion chassis will not have the inherent strengh or rigidity of the VE, simply because it is based on the AU chassis that is not even in the vicinity of strength nor rigidity of the VE’s. Strength tests have proved that the VE’s chassis is 200% stiffer than any other chassis produced in Australia, this is a FACT!. The Orion weak chassis is going to mean poor sloppy handling and passanger safety.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 am
mathew do me a favour and stop talking out of your ass ok that would be great.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 am
Instead of spending all that government R&D money making the Territory turbo, maybe Ford should have used it to do some weight reducing. Weight is what kills all these cars compared to the Euro’s, who use aluminium and magnesium throughout. If Ford went to an alloy block for the 6 and V8, chucked in some alloy suspension bits for the very heavy rear IRS, there would be HUGE benefits. Close to 50/50 weight distribution, along with a 100-150kg weight reduction overall and the car would handle, brake and steer better. Economy would be greatly improved along with much better performance as a side-benefit. Look at the VE, 140+ Kg extra weight over the VZ, so to get the same overall performance, power has to be increased, which means economy gets worse, brakes have to be bigger to cope with the extra weight (And big brakes themselves weigh more only adding to it!). Tyres cop a pounding and have to be bigger for the load rating. Transmissions may not last as long with the extra weight. Likewise suspension components ie. dampers, have to be bigger to cope.
Vote:The problem with the aussie cars in general is they are only just now incorporating features that the Japanese and Euros had in their cars 5-10 years ago and they are just not making them reliable enough. We had a BA Falcon and sold it because it was just too unreliable and their service people are shocking. We have since moved on to a Honda Jazz and while you might laugh, apart from overall width, the Jazz has MORE room in it that the Ford but has all the benefits of a small car, not the least being HALF the fuel used. I think the large cars days have almost come to an end for city use. It seems by the current trend towards small cars that we are not the only ones…
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 am
Hi MONSTER,
With both ford and holden the problems lists is endless… I simply was stated the pro’s of both cars. To answer your qustion the diff was a problem in the early BA’s cars… I did not experiance any major problems with the diff apart from slight knocking when taking the power off. The problem was rectified but I do still here of occasionally diff problems. Unfortunatly with ford and holden the quantities of cars there producing, there is going to be DUD’s. I have friends that are still driving ther BA’s and there running beautifully. I belive its the way people drive the car, how much load there carrying and maitainence.
I can say now though. The BA/BF and VE build quality in the parts they are using is no where near as good as the past cars they were making.. You look at the prices in the past 10 years for new cars… hasnt changed dramtically, but you are getting much more with a new car these days. The cost of employing peaople has gone up dramtically in the past 10 years also. where are they saving money?? In the parts… its simple.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 am
Matthew cant you please go to the VE post where people will listen to your dribble,your not convincing us so your wasting our time and yours by continuing.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 am
ok.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pm
A agree with what Matthew said. This car is an AU wrapped up in a new body.
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 8:20 pm
the problem is that people think that holdens are
Vote:pure Australian but there not as pure as people think.
so this improves holdens marketing alot…….
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:25 pm
The Duratec 35 (code-name Cyclone) is a family of automobile engines from the Ford Motor Company. The first version, a 3.5 L V6, appeared in September 2006 in the Lincoln MKZ. Its displacement can be increased to 3.8 liters, meaning a Duratec 38 could come soon after. Mazda calls its version of the Cyclone the MZI.
The Duratec 35 was on the Ward’s 10 Best Engines list for 2007.
The Cyclone is an all-aluminum engine based on the Lincoln/Jaguar Duratec 30 DAMB, and includes variable cam timing on the intake side, a feature already found on the Jaguar AJ30 and Mazda AJ versions of the 3.0.
The new heads relocate all accessory drives to the front of the engine with a flush chain drive. Unlike the current Duratec 30 used in most North American Ford applications, this engine features direct acting bucket style valve actuation (with shim adjustment) instead of roller finger followers with hydraulic lash adjusters. The new combustion chambers are reshaped as well.
Direct injection, turbo charging and a dual-stage variable length intake manifold can be added later. Centrally-located sparkplugs, and a 10.3:1 compression ratio are other features. The Duratec 35 is ULEV-II compliant and is said to be capable of meeting the PZEV requirement as well.
Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft-lb (339 Nm) on 87 octane gas, but could reach 300 hp (224 kW) once planned features like gasoline direct injection are added. This is a substantial upgrade in power from the Duratec 30, and bests all competitive engines except the newest version of Nissan’s VQ35DE and Toyota’s 2GR-FE[1].
The 3.5 L engine is the same exterior size as the 3.0 L Duratec 30, and is intended to replace it in some applications as a standard or optional power upgrade, notably the Ford Taurus in the 2008 model year. Production began in 2006, for the Ford Edge, Lincoln MKX, and Lincoln MKZ. Eventually the company expects the engine to be available in 20% of all Ford vehicles by the end of the decade. The Duratec 30 continues in production for other vehicles, such as the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan.
The Duratec 35 displaces 3.5 L (3496 cc/213 in³) with a 92.5 mm (3.64 in) bore and 86.7 mm (3.41 in) stroke. The first batch of aluminum blocks was made by Teksid in Mexico and is now being made by JL French, while the heads come from Nemak in Alabama, and the crankshaft comes from Bharat Forge of India. The engine is assembled at Lima Engine in Lima, Ohio, with expansion planned in Cleveland Engine Plant #1.
Current applications:
• 265 hp (198 kW) at 6250 rpm and 250 ft-lb (339 N•m) at 4500 rpm
o 2007 Ford Edge
o 2007 Lincoln MKX
• 263 hp (196 kW) at 6250 rpm and 249 ft-lb (338 N•m) at 4500 rpm
o 2007 Lincoln MKZ
o 2008 Ford Taurus
o 2008 Ford Taurus X
o 2008 Mercury Sable
• 2007 Mazda CX-9 (”MZI”)
Possible future applications
• Ford Mustang
• Ford Falcon (Australia)
• Ford Territory
Duratec 37
A 3.7 L version of the Cyclone is reportedly being developed for the Lincoln MKS and other vehicles, starting in the 2009 model year
Twin Force
A direct-injected, twin-turbocharged version of the all-aluminum Duratec 35 has been developed, producing 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft-lb (542 Nm) of torque. The Twin Force 3.5L V6 is intended to deliver the performance (on demand) of a typical large displacement 6.0 L-class V8, with the normal driving (highway) fuel efficiency of a 3.0 L to 4.0 L class V6.
Gasoline direct injection more precisely manages fuel flow into the cylinders, for more efficient combustion and emissions control, when compared to port injection. Twin-turbo charging forces more air into the engine on demand, allowing additional fuel to be injected and burned, producing more power: 118 hp (88 kW) per liter in the case of the Twin force.
Vote:Technologies for the twin turbo charging system were developed in cooperation with Volvo Cars, and the gasoline direct injection system is a joint development between Ford and Bosch based on Bosch DFI systems already in production.
The engine is also capable of operating on any mix of E85 ethanol and premium gasoline, and makes its debut in the Lincoln MKR concept coupe/sedan, introduced at the 2007 North American International Auto Show”.
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:28 pm
fords new car will do just fine if any one worried (i study fords motors alot)
Vote:July 22nd, 2007 at 8:36 pm
have heard for a while now that the VE model is having major problems. Today I heard that the problems are so significant that the export US model has been cancelled. In addition to this apparently Holden did not conduct any packaging studies for the Alloytech V6 when it designed the VE body. They have now discovered that the battery will not fit in the engine bay which has resulted in Holden having to relocate it to the boot at significant expense.
Anybody hear any VE related stories and can confirm any of the above?
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 5:34 am
Ba is not the same chasis as au,ba and bf are the same car.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 am
There are no problems with the VE such as the ones you have mentiond, it’s all hot air.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Looks like the 5th Gear folks luv the VE, GO HOLDEN!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/33.....-the-vxr8/
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 1:17 pm
How many teeth are some of these people missing….
I wanted to be fairly unbiased but im starting to find that Holden fans (in general) are alot less open minded and are just blindly brand loyal, in all reality there has never been a huge difference between the two aussie cars and it sorta gets to me when people go to far with moronic comments… there just cars…. be patriotic…even brand loyal but to insult people based on information that may not be true/is irrelevant/or holds little importants is a bunch of crap. I have also come to realise that fords age alot better… not just asthetically but mechanically when compared with the other of similar mileage. If you genuinely think Ford is copying Holden more than the other way around… have a bit of a look at the history of the two… it one takes some basic pictures to see where these have happened…. look at the similarities then look at the year it happened, e.g. vr/vs/vn/vp have those silly windows in the C pillar…. fords ea/ed/ef/el didnt…AU didnt…then wow….its gone by the VT… look at the shape of the BAs headlights then look at the VEs…. these are just to name a couple…. but the two companies should learn from each other….and if ford and holden have done it, you can be dam well sure that a euro company did it years ago… our w126 merc has ABS, a saftey cell, it was wind tunnel tested, has an airbag and has eletric windows…. now it took a while for Oz to get those sorts of things on the list….. the last commodore wasnt ever tested aerodynamically… and isn’t crash tested for rear impacts.
So stop this Bogan bullshit and base things on facts or state your opinion…dont mix them togeather…..the car at the top of this page looks great to me and only like a VE in respect to the basic idea of the vehicle and their common superiors in design (lets face it the A6 and 5-series is sort of what their aiming at)
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 3:18 pm
I’m a BMW fan myself, but these pictures look suspect. This new Falcon looks like a rip off of the VE, but does not look as tough. Why Ford would want to copy another design is beyond me because the VE is not that beautifull, it nice but not that nice. Ford need to get there own idea’s for a change.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Maybe some people should get their eyes checked… honestly this car shares very little with the VE. The front is different, the back is different, the side is different… what the hell is similar? That it has 4 wheels and an engine?
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Totally agree Paul. It looks more like the BA/BF than a Bogans BMW . One of the guys coloured in the black section below the headlight on the Ford Forum body colour and it looked not much different than the BA/BF.
Has any one seen the new cover and write up on the New Gt ,Phoon in Wheels ?
I did put the link up last night to it on another post but it has disappeared ?
Vote:Maybe it because its from the Ford Forums? Try again .http://www.ford forums.com.au/showthread.php?t=109469
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:16 pm
hey missile,
sorry had busy weekend didnt get time to check up on the chit chat.
yeah racing was good it usually is they always fill the day full of some good categories. it was good to see the utes for a change. they hadnt run them with the V8’s for a while.
ah but anyway,
has this matthew gone? has he run out of ill informed stuff to say? i love it how every one had directed questions to him and he didnt answer them, and then he posts some of his own and critisises when 30 other people answer them before the person they were directed at gets a chance.
Yeah im with you paul i dont know where people get off saying this looks like a VE. are they clutching at straws or what.
and to just further to pauls point i shall re-post what i have said earlier…….
“Andrew. M said
July 15 2007 @ 6:31 pm
one noteable thing about what has been said by the “anti ford club” is eeeewwww it just looks like a ba/bf nothing new. than the next sentence out is pffft they have copied the VE. WHAT THE????????
ill say it slower for them. ford is allowed to have a car with similar traits/looks to their last model (since they designed it) just because holden also made the VE look like the last model falcon doesnt mean they can claim rights to the design just cause they hurried to get theirs out first.”
END
you see what i see is a BF falcon that has evolved into this new shape. if people cant see that this car is bred from the same styling as the last they must be blind, and then to lay claims that it is a “holden copy” then that is just ridiculious.
oh yeah and earlier someone said ford copied the door handles, well yes they are the same setup as the commy but….
1. the commy has just put them on too
2. where did the commy get the design from
3. and as some one pointed out earlier (and i over looked prob because i doesnt mean much) ford actually used them first on the territory!!!
and who reckons the falcon ages mechanically quicker?pffft! i know of plenty of falcons that go to pretty high milage and keep kicking quite well and also i know of plenty of holdens that start to have problems when they have seen 100K in sight. to me i thought it was well known that the falcon (particularly mechanicals) last longer. taxis are a pretty good e.g. every one knows how those guys drive and the amount of k’s they rack up. you jump in a taxi with like 400k on it and they still ride smooth and put you back in you seats.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm
This new car looks terrible. I had a BF piece of rubbish and it was always breaking down. As far as cars go it was the worst car my wife and i have ever owned. For customer services Ford never wanted to know about it’s problems. I’v just got rid of it and thank god. Hope this new cars is an improvement. I have just brought a VE SV6 and it kills the Ford.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Hey Andrew,glad you had a great time at the V8s, thought it was some of the best racing we have seen this year from them. Never seen the utes at the track ,fun to watch on the TV though so I imagine some close racing at the track. Love the noise the V8s make when they hit the rev limiter . Did you see any drivers close up,Skaife normaly thinks hes too good to stop and chat to anyone and crash bandicoot would have to give money away to attract a crowd. Seems even the Holden owners don’t like the little creep. Watched the F1s last night,what a race !!!!!!!! 6 cars off in the first corner ??? Funny to see but expensive day for some. Finaly Mark on the podium 3RD .
Matthew I don’t know,if you read further back on the Saturday we had a bit of a fling between xxxx and myself. I answered his demands at the end of my day {a waist of 20 mins of my life I won’t get back},no comeback from him after. Then I asked for him to leave and he did?? He is probably still here as another alias,we will soon pick him I guess.
Did you go to the ford forums and see the cover of the latest wheels,or is it out in the Eastern States ?Interesting stuff .Indicators on the side mirrors if you have a look and a read , 320 kw stated
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pm
M3 LEGENDS QUOTE “As far as cars go it was the worst car my wife and I have ever owned.”
What car did your wife own ? Lol .Interested to know why your calling yourself M3 legend and your driving a bogans BMW ?
I admit the BAs had problems when they came out ALL new models do,how many recalls has the VE had now? But the BF are sorted and a good car I belive from what the local guys in the Tickford clubs are telling us,what BF did you have and what problems ? Explain why the VE is such a better car than it? I am interested in your facts not stories please.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 pm
There is only one reason why all you Holden dick heads are on the site and that is because you are all worried about the new shape Falcon and you all know it. The new Ford is going to be a ripper, the 5.4 is going to have more grunt than the LS2 and the turbo six will still have the legs over the LS2. Thats embarasing. You all know it and you dont like it. Get used to it girls because its not far away.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I owned a old E30 M3. It was one awesome car, the best i have ever owned. The first of many problems with the BF was the rear break hoses needed replacing. 2nd was a noisy diff that they replaced. The final nail in the coffin was when my wife was driving to Victoria and the engine blew a piston. The car was under warranty and only had 15000 on the dial. Ford instead of putting a new engine in it, rebuilt it and it was never the same again. It kept gushing out blue smoke under acceleration. It was very embracing because it was a relatively new car. Never again will a buy a Ford. On top of all this we had other issues such as the aircon only working when it wanted to and indicators that gave up the ghost within the first 10000. I spoke to a few people down at the service centre and they told me they had similar problems to, which gave me a bit of comfort. I hope the new model is better and not the bogan it replaces.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 9:19 pm
They were all left hand drive weren’t they the E30 M3? Great cars in general the E30.
Not good to here of the problems you have had ,I guess there is a bad egg in every batch every now an then.Am surprised though.Sounds like the BAD service you have had has made matters worst.I wouldn’t bag the Orion on one bad experience from Ford. There are a lot of recalls problems also as previously mentioned on the VEs. Lets see how lucky you are with the VE,how many KS have you done in it so far? Will you post any warranty problems you have with the VE for us? Honestly,be interested to know. .Cheers
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 9:36 pm
First the M3 owned in Germany. The problem my wife has had with the VE so far is an handbrake adjustment were it was a little loose. She like’s the car a lot, it handles and breaks better than the BF and she likes it because it’s more refined. She does however only drive this car on week days as we brought it for the business. She certainly does not miss the Ford because it cost us alot worry. The thing we like about the VE is that as long as you get it serviced at a Holden dealer it holds a six year warranty.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Excuse my english. it is my second language.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 pm
What VE do you have? If its the Omega etc which had the Alloytech coupled with a 4 speed tranny and your trying to say its more refined Im going to cry. N e way judge the VE up against the Orion rather then something which hasnt had the opportunity to adapt to the changing environment.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pm
New falcon looks promising indeed!!!!!
Vote:Hope the new GT gets 5.8 LT (351CI) again :-)
As for the bullshit KW talk. Holden 385KW 7 Litres.
Well Go for it and spend 150K on your crap box Commo.
I am sure by 2010 Holden will have that capacity up to 10 litres by the time they are finished.
And well it will still get beaten by a suped up 50K XR6T which is pumping 400+ KW under the hood and pulls low 11s at the strip.
I mean hell who keeps their cars stock from the showroom floor anyway!!!
And just wait Holden will soon fall to the bonnet hump just wait for it….VG Commodore complete with XR bonnet Hump HAHA!!
Just check out the stripe option for the VE SS etc. It has “I wanna be a Ford” written all over it. And to be honest I think the VE is pretty conservative too in the looks department. HSV’s are not so bad though!
As for the new Falcon I think it’s heading in the right direction as far as looks go. But its early stages yet. I think it will be much better than what those pics are
showing. I really think Ford has leaked these pics to see what the public reaction will be. They look so much like in house design concept pics to me.
So go for it Ford and 351 and HO it please!!!!!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 pm
well said Greens TUF!
7 ltrs…what a load of crap! the Ford 4.6 ltr V8 would crap all over it…
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Fellas i have to admit the VE is a very impressive car. My mates got a VE SSV manual and he gave me a drive, the thing is very impressive how it corners, brakes and the power of the engine. Power down out of slow corner is exceptional for a rear wheel drive car, they probably copied Fords suspension. The other night i gave him a run at the set of street lights near my place up to around 180kph in my BF XR8 and his SS was a good 6 car lengths ahead by the time i was at about 140. The L98 must have some serious power as i got a good start. I’v got a set of headers and cat back system and he was still quicker stock. I think Holden are bull shitting about the 270kw claim because mine would be making more than that and i still got done.
Vote:July 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 pm
Fordman sounds like your XR8 needs a tuneup :-P
Vote:My Brother has a AU XR8 5.0 Litre series III and it gives
VE SS’s a good run.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Mines got 240kwrw and i usually dust WRX’s and Stock xr6 turbo’s. Maybe he’s had a little work done that i don’t know about. Anyhow i hate Holdens really, this is why i key the side of everyone i come across that i can get away with. Did a red VE GTS the other night and it felt really good. I also like slashing there tires, did that at Queensland raceway last time i was up there to a clubby and SS, bet those Holden fans who drivem are not laughing. What i would love to do is start burning them, that would be cool. Everytime i see one on the road it just makes me boil inside. Ford should be the only aussie muscle on the road, not this Holden crap.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 12:02 am
Do any of you guys key people Holdens?, the only Holden i don’t do it to are friends.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 12:14 am
Fordman said
July 24 2007 @ 12:02 am
“Do any of you guys key people Holdens?, the only Holden i don’t do it to are friends.”
Classic :)
294 comments and still cranking…
I’m loving it :D
good to see plenty of people defending the fords!
Vote:keep up the work fellas!
July 24th, 2007 at 2:13 am
Mines a boss 260+ its more like 290 with all herrod specs,its takes out 297kw 6.0 vz too.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 7:30 am
I i also keyed John Howards car outside parliament house Lol. Guys i’m only joking about the keying, but i have seen fanatical Ford fan doing it over the years.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
It looks like the Toyota Camry, why don’t these people get there own idea’s!
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
what the hell is this zang gye talking about. Was that coment a joke lol u might aswel say it looks like a corolla
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Are there any Ford fans out there that are willing to admit the VE is a good car?
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
hey guys,
Vote:I own a red clubby. last time i was at QLD race way some bugger keyed it on me. if any one hears anything, can you let me know please?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
hey i got a real funny from Qld raceway now when i was there for the V8’s on the w’end.
Vote:through all the merchandice trucks you know how teams have show cars etc done up like the real V8 but they have dodge looking mags on them thats how you know they arent the real thing, well i saw one from the toll/hsv team sitting there exact replica of the tander machine (apart from the dodge wheels) and right beside it was a hotted up barina AKA daewoo.
comedy!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
oh yeah missile what did you pay for that guard? yeah i remember that incident as if it were yesterday, one of the funniest things i have seen.(serves him right) hey i thought he was just keeping the tyres warm (swerving) he he he
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
$3,300,,,,,,,,,,,,,I had to have it. Got a great picture of Russells car with a Lions tail hanging out of it, saying BURPPPPP hahaha after he won the championship in 2005.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Why bother keying anyones car… I wouldnt touch anyone’s car… Holden or otherwise… I don’t want some low life screwing with my car…
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
A Senna said “Are there any Ford fans out there that are willing to admit the VE is a good car?”" UMMM NO !
It seems to handle better than the last 26 years of Commodores made ,but that was due to coping BMWs 50/50 weight distribution. How can you give credit to a car that has everyone else’s ideas………..I just cant see how. Nothings new or wows you on it! Sorry !
Andrew you own a what !!!?????? I had someone do the same to a Volvo I owned ,yep a Volvo don’t give me grief and stop laughing . I know how you feel though,not that I was in love with it but it was new at the time a V70 2.5T . I don’t care what you own people should respect other people cars and don’t touch them . Good luck finding the mongrels .
You saw a Toll what Barina ??? MMMMMMMMMM NICE !!! HAHAHA maybe its Tanders everyday driver .
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
hey back up missile i dont have a clubby i was just making a funny out of what fordman said in that he keyed one onetime. when i put my car away it was a falcon and i hope it still is in the morning.
and people must have also missed the fact that he was kidding about keying cars too.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
I can’t see anything good about Ford past present or future. They copy peoples styling and there engines are not as good as Holden apart from the F6. I was trained as a child by my father to hate Ford and that anger is still in me today. I would just like to kick there doors in or something. I hate them. I most likely hate Fords more than most hardend Ford fans hate Holden, my hatred boarders on wanting to infict damage upon them. Does anyone think this is going to far as my misses thinks i need to get over it.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
to go on with what missile said about the VE yes it prob is good compared to the last commys. just cause they finally got one to handle and designed their first chassis doesnt mean it is the best outside of holden
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Robbo i will grant permission to kick doors in once you can tell me/us exactlly how the commy is /has been always better.
Vote:yeah and we will take score etc and the loser gets to kick in the door of the other make. hang on ill go get my steel caps on
July 24th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
It’s not the fact wether one is better than the other. I just hate ford, i was taught as a kid to hate ford, and i can’t help it. When you have been raised to hate various things and people it’s very hard to change.
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Robbo get a life and grow up this is a chat sight for ford fans to talk about and admire the new ford falcon so keep your racist and un AUSTRALIAN comments strictly to yourself or prepare to be terminated from this blog !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Phew Andrew you scared me ……… I thought not.
Robbo if you say is true {and your name isn’t really Matthew} I would suggest you go to few Ford Car Shows . I mean that’s extreme in what your saying. We show a XA GT Coupe that even Holden owners stop to look at . Even want to buy it at times mostly Greeks & Italians!!!! It will appear in the next Street Ford Mag if you want to see . Anyhow this is very tongue in cheek a lot of the hatred that flies between the makes. We all appreciate good cars in the end I think, I will appreciate the work a Hot Rodder has done on any make. This post is really on new makes and previous standard models that have been released. Hey it was only last week that a VP Commodore owner said as I was getting into the BAGT ,”KOOL CAR” yep I was taken back too. “Thanks was all I could manage”
Vote:July 24th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Ok Andrew off to the US Thursday, hubby has posted something up on the Forums as were going to do a test drive report for them {would have on this but don’t think many interested in reading it} Alborz if want us to we can send direct to your mail address to see and read and post same time as Forums ???????? You know my email address if you require!
The Forum guys are keen obviously to read how we drive the Stang {Shelby Hertz convertible} and compared to the GT we have. I don’t think it will be as good ,may have more grunt but as far as a car,the yanks cant make anything handle,like previous commodores .Lol Sorry………. Anyway will keep you posted over there,think I will be too busy to get back here tomorrow. Cheers
Lisa
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 7:53 am
There is no real reason i hate fords or hate the people that drive them or talk about them, i just don’t like them. I really hate all the hardcore Ford fans out there that think there cars are the best in the world. Ever heard of M5’s, M3’s, Audi RS4’s,AMG Mercs?. These cars are much better than your ford crap.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Mustangs arent all about handling,,,they are all about power and straight line speed, mustangs are built to have more shove then a space shuttle!!! that what they are know for there massive power…which the latest one has 400kw at the rear wheels and 0-100 in 4.3sec….
my spam word was falcon
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 11:44 am
hey Robbo…. have you heard of the GT40??? car that goes 0-100 insd 3.5secs and tops out at 330km/h
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Yes i have, have you heard of A Mercedes Benz C9, it tops out at 250mph on the Mulsanne straight. Your Ford would be dust.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
It’s funny how Ford fans are getting all excited over 320kw. You’ll be kicking yourselves when Holden take the muscle car engine to a whole new level with the 385kw LS7. And if this is not enough, the LS9 with 500kw’s will be. You can’t win, Holden will alway increase the power so they stay ahead.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Message to the General. The GT40 has a 5.4 quad cam and developes 550Kw with around 550nm torque. This motor will slot straight into a falcon. The Ford 5.4 is a very suffisticated engine. So you see, the level you are talking about has already been achieved by Ford. Holdens 6 litre pushrod jilopy will need substaintial engine modification to achieve this sort of power. My guess is if this were to happen Holden would throw away the 6 litre and start deveopment on a quad cam similar to Ford. I think we can safely say that Ford is well ahead in the engine department.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
you can buy a twin turbo system for the american ford gt not (ford falcon gt)from ford
ford gt = 0 to 100km/h 3.5 secons
Vote:ford gt with twin turbo = 0 to 100km/h in 2.1 seconds
look at the car for your self at joes ford gtt on google
July 25th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
new ford mustang shelby gt500kr info
Vote:Engine Configuration V
Cylinders 8
Aspiration/Induction Supercharged
Displacement 5.40 L | 329.5 cu in. | 5400.5 cc.
Horsepower 540.00 HP (397.4 KW)
Torque 510.00 Ft-Lbs (691.6 NM)
HP / Liter 100.0 BHP / Liter
Fuel Type Gasoline – Petrol
Fuel Feed Fuel Injected
ford could drop this in to the falcon
July 25th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
this is the 2006 ford gt info
Vote:Engine Configuration V
90-degree
Cylinders 8
Aspiration/Induction Supercharged
Displacement 5.40 L | 329.5 cu in. | 5400.5 cc.
Valves 32 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 550.00 BHP (404.8 KW) @ 6500.00 RPM
Torque 500.00 Ft-Lbs (678 NM) @ 3750.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio 6.3 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)
HP / Liter 101.9 BHP / Liter
Bore 3.55 in | 90.2 mm.
blow the holdens off the track
July 25th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
First off you wrong about the 550kw for the Ford GT, do some research instead of broadcasting inaccurate stupid facts. The Ford GT has 410kw or 550hp, they do not produce 550kw’s in stock trim!. The LS9 is good for 500kw+ or 700hp. Ford are well behind GM in the power game. Once the LS7 is deemed to produce to little power, the LS9 will come on song and kill your Ford 5.4 with 700hp.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Power power power…………is that all you Holden wankers know about? I myself like torque………do yoyu know what that is? If you want great engine flexibility and driveability torque is king. Which is why the F6 Typhoon is 30kw less in power than the Hsv thing but the performance is the same in real world conditions, and it is a much easier to drive in ALL conditions. Do you understand ?
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
You want play the tuners game as well, Lingerfeild has 588kw packages for the LS series of engines. They would bolt directly into the VE. Stick that in pipe ans smoke it.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
the boss 5.4 litre is a good motor if u do i up the right way
it can get up to 795 kws and over 1800 nm ive see them run on alcohol but hey has any one been in a car faster then 0 to 100 km/h in 3.7 seconds
i have it was a ford to
F-ing fast ………….love it
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Look at the front of The orion, looks like a rip off of the new R35 GTR.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
The LS7’s have been tuned in the U.S to produce 1300kw’s with twin turbo’s for drag racing.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
u would shit ur holden pants
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Chevs don’t REV!!!!!!!!!!
Ford are everywhere in racing ,where is Chev again ??
This is fun.Doesn’t one of these engines rev to 19000 rpm!!!MMMMMM Formula 1 is the pinacle still for development for future engines. Wheres Chev???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APiApBXkzJc
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
o u want to talk about drags ford hav the world record for fastest 1/4 mile
i was talking about f t r pro wheel sredders
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Look at the rear of the Orion, the rear lights look like the VE, very poor imagination. Ford’s are crap.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
my dad was in the american internation drag team association for ford and chev
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
hey general take these pictures of the ford orion redisgn them and send them to me its bloody hard and in the end u will like it the way the tail light r it matches the body shape
ps ve looks gd
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
ur talkin about a 1300kw chev drag motor
Vote:im taking about the 5,4 l base motor
the 5.4 l l.t.i.s could match that power no probs
July 25th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
general, no idea,
the tail lights on these shots are the bf tails with an extra curve thrown in for a bit more style i suppose
why are you holden fans so desperate to say this looks like a VE? it doesnt. dont you like what holden gave you?
if you want to see VE tail lights on another make go have a look at where holden stole them from….
the mitsubishi 380
ford hasnt copied any styling cues from holden and to say the rear end, well thats just silly, that is prob the bit that has changed the least from the BF
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Ford are way behind holden. Ford have just figured out that a straight 6 can now be made as a V6. you’re a couple of decades old there. Holden has been exporting cars to the US, England, china, etc with great success for many years. Guess what now? Ford want to do the same with the Onion. Why did Ford scrap the long wheel base? cause they couldn’t compete with the holden’s long wheel base statesmen sales. Why are Ford turning away from V8 engines instead going more with 6cyl turbo crap? Cause they cant keep up with holden’s (Chev) V8. Its simple, you’s will always follow the General, on the race track, on the street, and with sales.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
^well said. The General is the “GENERAL” and Ford are the privites of the Australian car industry. Your right when saying they can’t compete with the 6 litre, no wonder they have to use turbo’s because there V8 with DOHC still can’t beat a push rod engine. It’s also the reason Ford are going back to push rods, there 5.4 DOHC is piece of junk compared with the LS2 and the LS7 coming out.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
600 job loses.
Going back to push rods, copying Holden.
Cancellation of there long wheel base, due to poor sales.
Flagging total sales.
The boring look of the new car.
Importing there base six cylinder engine from OS.
Copying the R35 GTR front end styling.
Things are not looking good at the Blue oval.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
hey General fuck off to some other chat site we dont care what u and ur holden bullshit have to say
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
HAHAHAHA Someone can’t hack it…LOL
Vote:Ford sucks.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
well incais no one new the ford is bringing a super roo the gtho thats going to be supercharged yea can u imagine a 320kw gtp engine with a supercharged i think it will be over 425 lol shit holden fans dont think fords not going to have somthing to compeet against holden lol good bye holden again
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
lol what now holden fans lol get ready to be blasted away
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
hey tim i herd of the new gtho aswell comen out end of 2008 in the orion modle how kool is that going to be with a supercharger on it
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
soon all car manufacturers are going to be in the shit hole petrol is running out lets see who has the last laugh
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
I think this Holden legend guy and General dood are just bloody idiots from what I am reading. Who would call themselves Holden legend unless he had his hand on it 24hrs a day and General dood, you have been watching too much Dukes of Hazard. The 6 litre is an embarrassment to Holden. I have witnessed a Typhoon 6 cyl put away the 2007 R8 from a stand still and led all the way until the speed limiter kicked in. The 6 cyl Typhoon was a clear winner. No one even mentions the V6 holden. That wouldnt even get a look in. Face the facts holden tossers, you`re LS2 gets shat on by a six.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Mate your a complete tosser. What the best 1/4 time of a Typhoon in Motor magazine? 13.5 seconds and 5.4’s to 100kph. What the best time they have got out of an SS which is 17 grand cheeper than a Typhoon or R8? 13.4’s and 5.2’s to 100kph. The typhoon must be great if it is getting beaten by a car with no turbo and is virtually 20 grand cheeper. And if you want to talk modification bullshit, lets put forged pistons and twin turbo’s on the LS2 or L98, it would fuck your little Ford up the arse till it bled. Ford suck.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Hey sad case… Holden alreay have a v8 supercharger out…Heard of the VE Walkinshaw. 6 Litre LS2 Supercharged, 370KW+, 700Nm. Imagine when they supercharge the new 7 Litre comin out.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
General:
600 job loses. – FORGOT THAT MANY IF NOT ALL WILL B REDEPLOYED
Going back to push rods, copying Holden. – WELL AT LEAST ONCE FORD DOES IT WILL BE A BETTER ENGINE, REMEMBER THE 351, 390, 427 & 428 COBRA JET?
Cancellation of there long wheel base, due to poor sales.- REMEMBER GMH DO NOT SELL SO MANY LWB EITHER & LWB FORD WILL B BACK AROUND 2010.
Flagging total sales – REMEMBER THE MAJORITY OF FORD & GMH SALES ARE FLEETS & IF U WERE A FLEET BUYER U WOULD BUY A BRAND NEW CAR OVER OLD, JUST WAIT FOR ORION
The boring look of the new car – LOOKS GOOD TO ME & MANY OTHERS
Importing there base six cylinder engine from OS – REMEMBER THE ALLOYTEC V6 IS NOT AN AUSSIE DESIGN
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Holden Legend said:
Ford are way behind holden. Ford have just figured out that a straight 6 can now be made as a V6. you’re a couple of decades old there. Holden has been exporting cars to the US, England, china, etc with great success for many years. Guess what now? Ford want to do the same with the Onion. Why did Ford scrap the long wheel base? cause they couldn’t compete with the holden’s long wheel base statesmen sales. Why are Ford turning away from V8 engines instead going more with 6cyl turbo crap? Cause they cant keep up with holden’s (Chev) V8. Its simple, you’s will always follow the General, on the race track, on the street, and with sales.
Lets start with the exports, look at the AU dollar, bet it’s killing GMH’s exports?
Ford have had a V6 a lot longer than GMH, remember the early 70’s Capri GT? The reason for the shift to V6 now is globalisation. There is nothingwrong with a straight 6, in fact V6’s have inherant vibration probs.
Please do not talk about the race track, FECT 1 – Has a Holden or Chev engine ever won a F1 race or championshit – NEVER. And dont talk of the V8 Supercars, Both Holden & Fords are like nothing u can buy in the dealer. The Holdens use Ford 9″ difs & many other bits that Ford used b4 they got em. Until VE they even used a very similar front suspension setup (the orig strut setup was crap)
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
“Importing there base six cylinder engine from OS – REMEMBER THE ALLOYTEC V6 IS NOT AN AUSSIE DESIGN”
A least they build here!
Ford fans will come up with every excuse in the book, you all would make great polies.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
XXXX, your an idiot, ford sucks.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
holden legend said:
Hey sad case… Holden alreay have a v8 supercharger out…Heard of the VE Walkinshaw. 6 Litre LS2 Supercharged, 370KW+, 700Nm. Imagine when they supercharge the new 7 Litre comin out.
BIG DEAL WHO WOULD WANT TO PAY WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE OVER $100,000 FOR A COMMODORE? Would rather spend that kind of money on a BMW or MERCEDES.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:46 pm
“BIG DEAL WHO WOULD WANT TO PAY WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE OVER $100,000 FOR A COMMODORE? Would rather spend that kind of money on a BMW or MERCEDES.”
You moron, you will never have the money for a late model Merc, your to ignorant and self absorbed in Fords. Your a loser.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
The General said:
XXXX, your an idiot, ford sucks.
TYPICAL, RUN OUT OF EXCUSES, SO JUST STIR TROUBLE. YEAH THEY MAY BUILD THE ALLOYTEC HERE, BUT ONLY BUILD, NO DESIGN, THE BLOCKS WERE GETTING IMPORTED FROM MEXICO.
YOU KNOW 3 YRS UNTIL THE GEELONG ENGINE PLANT SHUTS, U NEVER KNOW, THEY MAY REVERSE THE DECISION & BUILD THE V6 THERE………
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
TheGeneral said:
You moron, you will never have the money for a late model Merc, your to ignorant and self absorbed in Fords. Your a loser.
INCORRECT MORON, I HAVE SAID IT B4 & I’ll SAY IT AGAIN. I LIKE BOTH HOLDEN & FORD, THE VE IS A NICE CAR. I JUST PREFFER FORD’s. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN MORON’s LIKE YOURSELF COME TO A FORUM WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN JUST TO STIR. WHAT QUALIFICATIONS DO YOU HAVE TO BACK UP YOUR COMMENTS anyway?? AN ARTS DEGREE MAYBE? THINK REAL LONG & HAED & GO TO A VE/GM FORUM WHERE U WILL B WELCOME.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
“TYPICAL, RUN OUT OF EXCUSES, SO JUST STIR TROUBLE”
That’s because you are an insult to human intelligence and deductive reasoning. Your facts are unsubstantiated, your intellect is poor, your idea’s are of the worst kind, and you have no business discussing car when what you should be doing is discussing with the education department to go back to year one and get educated. You are one of those Ford morons with a stubby in your hand at races with no brains, you are such a cliché
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
“I LIKE BOTH HOLDEN & FORD, THE VE IS A NICE CAR”
Bullsh-t, your a Ford fan through and through, an now your LIAR. Stop causing trouble and talking rot, your like a bad taste you can’t get out of your mouth.
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
I’v have a gut full of talking to you, your the pits of the world the way you have been carrying on, goodbye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:July 25th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
They VE walkinshaw supercharged 6 liter is $88,000.00. Now you find a Merc or BMW w