Yep totally agree Blue Blood ! Like it alot!

I must admit, I am a Holden man but this looks AWESOME! Let’s hope it’s a winner for Ford.

They found the pics at the TIP by a cars guide fan really,how lucks that!!!!!!

Looks great .

BIG wing looks interesting ?

Cars guide will have more pics tomorrow .Looking foreward to it!

Not so sure about the black, looks a bit VE GTS to me. And then with white & black it looks like a panda!

I was expecting a bit more mondeo in the design, But overall the new shape looks pretty mean.

I hope they don’t go for a V6, the inline six is a fantastic engine.

However Ford has developed a V6 twin turbo for the Lincoln in US with 300+Kw and the new code named Hurricane V8 being developed in the US is rumoured to 6 or 7 litres but not due til 2009-10.

I am unsure on the stripes,there an option anyway I thought, $800.00.

Colours will be interesting ? Lets hope they don’t ditch the popular ones like they did with the other earlier models. Why they did it I have no idea.

Blood orange was the most popular colour and they ditched it,for an orange with metalic in it,yuk!

As much as like subtle looking cars Ford will have to offer a hero looking car.

Yep, i like the front and rear lights much better than the commodore, the ford 6-cylinder job will be much better than holdens dated version as well

looks like they put the duel exhaust in the GT this time apart from the mags what is the difference between the GT and the GT-P

WOW! Amazing stuff, to beat the brilliant (but now dated BA/BF), is something of a hard task, but they nailed it with this ripper, picture it next year wrapped in 888 racing’s Vodafone colour scheme! In V8 guise with some more herbs under the bonnet, which will happen, move over VE!

What is this billy guy on about. The outputs of Fors’d V8′s are basically the same of that of Holden’s new 6 litres (unless you get a Fairmont V8 or XT base ect.) but the XR8 is only 10kw off the mark, it is just substantially smaller and a lot more technologically advanced. But just so he knows, the Orion XR* is set to use the GT’s 290kw engine so Holden are in definite trouble. Just wait for the FPV, I’ve heard rumours of 325-335kw!

It will look like a whale shark in the rear vision mirror, like it will eat anything in front of it, just needs some bucked teeth like in the movie ‘Cars’… i wonder if the Force models will come back. I think all they need to do with the force models is paint the black plastic with body colour, remove the rear spoiler and wallah! a force 6 and 8. And imagine what the V8supercar will look like!!! And i love the rear end! i hope those are LED’s

vodafone ford on front page of v8 supercar magazine now. looks nice.

Looks sick! Cant wait for better pics!

I like it.

I hope Ford keep the Barra L6 engine and add mabey a few more kw, maby just to 200 or 205. Also i hope the XR8 does get the current 290 Barra engine and the FPV GT’s get a 320+ engine. On the L6 topic, i dont think they will change it this time due to the overwhelming praise the engine gets. The only time they will change it is if the emissions laws get alot stricter beyond Ford ability to keep the engine within them, or if they are going to export to Europe (Unlikely).

Maybe it’s just me, but it looks like a BA/BF with droopy head and tail-lights. Sorry but I don’t see any inspiration in terms of design.

I realise Ford doesn’t have anywhere near the R&D budget of Holden, but still, not impressed in the slightest.

love the design it has a hint of ba bf which is not a bad thing cos they still look better than the new commode i own a baxr6 & it is an impressive car to drive even though it is only the base model xr. if the new model is better it will be an awesome car on the road good luck ford kick gm’s ass.

Of course it would cost half to build, when they aren’t designing a all new, and might i say brilliant car like holden did. But ford are simply building upon the shit box under that BF shell.

Idiot Scanner!

That is hot! It is a lot better then what I was originally expecting. Don’t get me wrong anyone, I was expecting the new Falcon to look good. But this just goes above and beyond!
If this is what it looks like, I congratulate the design team at Ford.
Oh and another congratulations for the design team at Ford for not copying any other car models! I am talking about you Holden! This is Ford’s design! Stay away from it!

I have to say this car does not look to bad, i like the wheels the colour scheme and the stace. One thing that is quite obvious is the fact that this car is based on a BF chassis and is not a brand new design which is very disappointing. They should have followed Holdens lead an produced a band new car from the groung up. Although the shape is adequate at this stage i can see it will be dated very early. They have not produced a shape that is aggressive like the VE nor most likely will have the 50/50 weight distribution either. Don’t get me wrong it’s a nice car but Ford did not produce a very interesting shape. It’s quite bland really.

its looks great cant wait for final production

im a huge fan of the blue oval and all these people saying holden shouldnt have too much to worry about are pretty stupid. the reson ford makes falcon is to compete, much like holden make the commy and toyota the aurion. they all have to compete if ford re-released the AU the commy would still have to be worried because itll still take up a share of the market reguardless of the quality.

looks mean, and thats always a good thing. i think ford need to further distinguish the GT marque from the base model falcon, it seems unfair to the historic nameplate. as for the plastic inserts *cough emo cough* wayy too much eye makeup, tone it down maybe look at a different way to make it mean.

overall i like the direction of the new falcon even if some people are too blind to see the major progression from BF to this new model, just look at the commy VZ to VE was a billion dollar change, too bad all the design elements had already been tested on the VZ… square headlights, top of boot corner rear lights i mean apart from the hideous wheel arches and dive-into-the-ground slanting of the waitsline, it was nothing new.

WOO RANT FINISHED

what the hell is idiot scanner looking at this page for anyway you are obviously a holden loving wanker are you worried that the new ford may be better?. well they are on a par at the moment and that’s comparing a 6yr old design from ford compared to the new ugly & copied from many designs dunnydore. football meat pies kangaroos & shitbox cars hasn’t been australian since 1987 the vl commode etc nissan 6cyl. vn buick v6 america. where as ford australia have kept basically the same 6cyl & evolved it over the years to match holdens best v8. not bad for a shit box ba your screen name matches you precisely.

I EFFING LOVE IT!!!!! VERY NICE!

and the thing i love most about it is its ORIGINAL

unlike holdens piss poor efforts at trying to mimic audi and bmw styling.

Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.

so ummm, how many recalls did VE get in its first month again? oh yeah, ok *smacks head*

the fact that this looks like a VE is absolute joke, honestly are your eyes painted? this looks nothing like a VE. the VE stole all its design cues from audi and bmw. the chief designer at holden even had the audacity to say they had copied ideas from bmw and audi! hows that!

i find it laughable that the fords turbo I6 engine is comparable to HSV’s ancient american pushrod V8′s.

ford australia will kill holden in sales with its LPG variants.

theres even talk of a hydrogen model in the next fews years with top australian universities working with ford australia on a hydrogen engine.

GOODBYE HOLDEN

No Goog……you are so wrong………Ve is the best Commodore made.not the best car made in australia ………get ya facts right. Holden had to spend 1 billion on VE because the Commode was so far behind everything else in suspension, engine and transmissions. Of course Ford dont have to spend as much because they already have a good platform and with a few tweaks such as the Territory front suspension it will be better still. Most of the comparo tests between BF and VE end up in a virtual 50 -50 result anyway. So come Orion the choice will be easy………….

i think we shouldnt get too excited over these computer pics. we should wait until we see it in the flesh. wow ………….i didnt realise how many fuckwits are on here…………….

This car looks like a BF, it’s not bad but it not a new car. You can see the AU underpinnings in the design. Hopefully they will stick some monster rubber on the back like the GTS and R8. If they do i could see myself buying a Typhoon to replace me VE SS.

QUOTE = Damo if u think that 325kw is good, obviously u haven’t heard that HSV is bringing out a 385kw 7L 427 GTS.

Hahahahahahahaahahaha. Somehow I highly doubt it.

QUOTE = ford australia are investing in the future of automobile technology through developments of theyre products to meet future needs, ie – fuel shortages. theyre currently developing a hydrogen engine that will outperform any other hydrogen engine in efficiency and performance.

Turn it up mate…. pure speculation. Honda have been into hydrogen cell cars for the longest (they have a working prototype) and in fact one is coming into production in the states by 2010… Im not even sure if Ford has one built yet let alone outperforming Honda.

Come on guys let’s keep the Ford VS Holden bullshit on the race track.

This is about Fords new Falcon design and if you like it or not everyones entitled to an opinion, granted some opinions are more inteligent than others.

Regardless, we all benifit from the rivalry in the end because both Holden and Ford will continue to out do each other and make great AUSSIE cars for us all.

I agree with you Blue Blood.
This is about the upgrade to the Falcon. And how good it is going to be. Also how it is going to blow the VE out of proportion… well more then what it already is anyway.
Goog, Max…
In what way have Ford ever copied Holden?
And don’t say that Ford have copied the VE Commodore!
Cause really, if you pull up pictures of a BA Falcon and a VE Commodore from the front angles, I’m sure you will see a large similarity. Oh and that means that Holden in a big way, copied Ford… You know, the BA Falcon being somewhat 4-5 years older then the VE.
So, after saying that, why don’t you leave this site alone, so that the sane people (Ford supporters) can admire Fords latest and best creation.

Brilliantly said! ^
That is one of the best arguments put up on this site that I have read.
Oh and look at that!? It’s from someone who knows what they are talking about. Unlike all you Holden dicks that cannot put up an argument worth fighting about if your lives depended on it.

Just buy a black one nice.

Not this time pal,big boss is back and its got the upper hand this time and you know it too.

goog,
i dont know where you get your facts from.
the gt beats the ss, and to further that the typhoon is only .1 sec off the top of range HSV GTS and the ford has 37less KW

biiiig mistake goog,
you just admitted VE has copied the BA and then you say ford ALLWAYS copies holden

sounds like a lot of bitter holden fans out there to me

Goog, still think Holden copy Ford??? Too afraid to answer my last post, typical Holden person…. Even my friends that are holden freaks say the VE headlights are direct copies of BA falcon/Territory…..

omn1potent said

RAH RAH RAH THE NEW FALCON THIS THE NEW FALCON THAT, IF THE FALCON NEEDED TO BE MORE REALIABLE DO YOU THINK TAXI DRIVERS WILL BE BUYING THEM UMMMMMM NO(VERY OBVIOUS) THEY WANT TO BUT A CAR THAT CAN HANDLE 20 HOURS A DAY DRIVING THATS WHY THE OBVIOUSLY BUY A FALCON. YOU CANT FIT IN A FPV SEAT MAKES ME WONDER HOW YOU FIT IN THE COROLLA, DID TOYOTA CUSTOMISE IT BY PULLING OUT THE FRONT SEATS????????? UMMMMMMMMM US FOR TRADE IN, YOU STEP INTO TO FORD AND FORK OUT THE 60 GRAND AND IM SURE THEY WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD TRADE IN FOR THE COROLLA,( THE ASHES OF YOUR BURNT COROLLA AND DONT WORRY THEY WONT HAVE PISS RESIDUE IN IT CAUSE FORD WONT EVEN PISS ON IT TO TURN IT OUT).

OH YEAH CAR LOOKS AWESOME, CANT BELIEVE THEY HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SEXIER THAN BA BF.

yeh i admit that holdens headlights look the same as the ba/bf.. but remember holden worked on the ve for like 7 years back in 2000.. and fords ba/bf came out late 2002 so holden wouldnt have been able 2 copy. they would have allready have they drawing done of what they wanted.. i admit this ford looks ok only because it looks like a ve.. but i bet ya this car will be weak as.. the turboed 6 may go ok but the v8 needs alot more power to keep up.

Same could be said about the VE alloyTec V6 Goog.

Piss weak power in a car that gained more than a few pounds from the VZ, yes the VE is a porker no doubt about it.

Even though the Boss V8 may not match the Chev’s power it’s still no slug,

I’d love to see the new Ford Falcon lighter with a slight power increase.

This is entirley possible as they are improving on an existing platform.

Goog,

Why do you hate Aussie Fords so much.

Did they offend you personally somehow or do you just dislike all Aussie cars unless there Holdens, cos dude there is a whole other world out there.

Ford has a rich history in this country pre dating holden by many years.

They have made some of the greatest muscle cars ever seen on our road, the stuff of what legends are made.

I am not asking you to suddenly love Fords, just give them a little respect after all half the people in this country drive one so they can’t be that bad.

You think All fords look like shit well-

Look at the fin on a GTHO then look at the fin sitting on the boot of an VE SS.

Look at the bonnet scoops on a XB GT then look at the last monaro.

Look at the latest Holden ute and then thank Ford Australia for inventing the Ute in the first place.

Look at the ground breaking XR GT then look at every other Aussie muscle car that came after it.

I’m not looking at this new Falcon as a “me to” to the Commodore, it is the next exciting evolution of our (yes yours to Goog, assuming your an Aussie of course) Aussie Ford let’s hope to see many more.

OOHHH I feel all tingilly after that.

The boss v8 has plenty of grunt to match that gen 4 too dummy.

Get over the my barge is faster then your barge…. everytime there is an argument between different manufacterers the V8s come into it. Its sad really and I dont know how people are going to cope when this already obcelete bread of vehicle finally has its curtain call.

Passion for what though! Inefficient, petrol guzzling, oil leaking V8s? I suppose people do like backing the under-dog, but I will take fine Japanese and European engineering any day of the week over anything the yanks produce. Just my opinion! (And dont get me wrong I rate the upcoming Falcon, but Im alittle over the constant V8 vs V8 arguments where one person claims their manufacterer is going to produce a bigger and better V8 over the other based on ‘rumours’ ie hot air!)

Stephen H,

I agree about the Ford vs Holden arguement that will never be settled.
However, the fact that VE outsells Falcon does not mean it’s a better car. VE may indeed be “better” than BFII, but VZ certainly wasn’t yet it still sold well. It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.
VE is strong in the high end stuff like Calais/ V and SS.

Anyway, the above images are hi risk and in your face for a Ford product, but that is what it needs. VE HSV looks good so FPV really has to pick up their game for Orion.

Mate you clearly no nothing about Holdens and less about Fords !!!!!!! Not even bothering to answer back your stupid claims

people, people… holden fans…stop going on about the 385Kw 7 V8…this engine will only be for 100-150 cars you idiots as a special addition… and if ford really want to they could get a engine from the states as well… it holdens get the 385kw from the corvette…what can ford get??? they can get the 400KW v8 from the 2008 GT500KR mustang or the from the big daddy of engines…the 415Kw GT40 engine!!! so if holden start it ford will finish it…and thats only a 5.4litre V8…imagine when ford finishes devolvoping the 5.8 and 6.2litre V8s…lol!!!! i have heard the GTSR will only do a 4.7 to 100km/h LOL!!! or will ford do up the typhoon some more??? who knows!!!! 350Kw typhoon would be pretty cool i would think!!! i am not saying this all will happen, but it could if ford really wanted to!!!

matthew and other one eyed holden lovers,
you have no idea. whats sooo good about the 7 litre V8? and if ford really wanted to they could also call up on some one elses V8. at least if ford sourced a bigger V8 say the 7.2L (or what ever it is) it would still be a ford motor, unlike holden who source what ever they can get. and if you guys read up on your beloved holden V8′s you will find the reason they keep jumping to another V8 and another V8. thats right they are sooo unreliable. starting with the 5.7L well pffft that was the worst example, thats why they put that motor to sleep! did you guys know that was the reason??? holden keep disguising their motors by upping the cubes just to keep the simple holden believers with a hard on.

goog,
you still dont get it on the looks thing. yes they design cars like 5 years ahead usually but that also put the Ba on the drawing board like in 1996/97. and with looks that is the last thing finalised. if they finalised that even like 2 years before their release it would look out dated when it came out. the first 2 years would have been dedicated to the chassis etc id say. 1 thing is for certain is that BA would have been out for like 2 years before they started looking at looks on the VE.

OH YEAH JUST BECAUSE THEY SPENT $1BILLION ON IT DOESNT MEAN ITS GOOD. WHAT IT MEANS IS IT WAS THAT FAR BEHIND THEY HAD TO SPEND THAT MUCH ON IT JUST TO BRING IT UP TO SCRATCH.

Mathew doesnt know what his talking about

when will you Holden wankers realise there is more to big cube, petrol guzzling, oil burning V8′s? Get over it !!!!! Thhe best engine by far in Australia is the FPV Typhoon F6 …………FACT !!!!! and it is easy to get 350-400kw from one without too much trouble. Why the fuck dont you old pushrod V8 wankers go and drive a Typhoon, the you would realise that even in BF form its a better more refined drive than the VE billion dollar catch up with everyone else model.

I will reiterate what i have said, 385kw is a reality!. Ford on the other hand have no answer to this engine nor the great chassis it will be sitting in. An engine of this type is not even in the pipline, if there were we would know about it. Your new Orion looks like a cross between a VZ and VE, but looks like a pathetic attempt to mimic the lines of two great cars. Ford are always the followers, never pioneers, thats why they failed at Formula One(the pinicle) because they could not create only follow. An now in this instance they are following Holden because of there low sales opposed to the VE. Just look at the sales figures, the VE is blowing Ford into the weeds and Ford knows it as all of you do!. Do yourselves a favour and wake up, Ford are finished, after the demise of this Orion there production of cars in Australia will be finished,gone extinct,vanished, and a distant bad memory.

jesus christ matthew can you ever get your facts straight?!?!
how can ford not be pioneers when they partake in the highest number of motorsport events across the world.
v8 supercars, NASCAR, WRC, shit, even FORMULA FORD.
when gm and holden start to meet those standards, please let me know.

The Axe said “It’s all about fleet/govt contracts that ultimately decide the result.”, therefore using gross sales as a guide to the quality of a car is only a mark of your inexplicable stupidity.

furthermore, i fail to see how any part of Orion looks remotely like the ve commonwhore apart from the doorhandles which nobody cares about anyway..provided you actually have a life

now please, for the sake of our sanity, DO NOT come back to this discussion until your left testicle descends and you are able to at the very least SEEM intelligent.

385kw does not make it better its a still born v8 t hey did not release in 2002 427 7.0 v8 from the vett.

VE is a good car with near 50/50 weight,now the uk vxr8 and pontiac g8 in u.s ford have to do the same.

HAHAHAHA, Just what they said. And that wasn’t a question it was a statement from Peanut !!!!!

billion dollar’s and they havent even changed the crappy v6 of thers

lol what a crack up lol

I have to agree with you John I’m Laughing My Arse Off!!!!

HAHAHAHA Goes to show what you really know ,Fiat is part of GMs tree not Fords !!!!!!!!!Holden means nothing to Australia!!!

whos that aimed at?

hey guys, my comments aren’t aimed at anyone.
ford engine department are very tight liped on drive train specs so i couldnt tell ya man, but what your seen here is what you will get in show rooms. I can say though the cars do look pretty tough in the skin. and you will lve the interior, its feels very prestige. ford is also goingto be using more leight beige colors mixed with blacks. i must admit the dashboard looks great. the high series model will get aluminium brushed buttons…i didnt like the door trims, they did remind me too much of VE.

i think overal its pretty good…and like someone mentioned earlier,,,it wouldnt have ost as much as the VE…so i think there maybe some competition.

Hey emrah, so how exactly have you come across sitting in the orion? what type of work did you do at Geelong if you don’t mind me asking?

Also in regards to the interior – does it have a proper LCD screen standard?

Funny how ford had a premium sound package and a povo sound package,that really makes a big difference in the interior.

To quote matthew above…

“You dirt bags just can’t except the truth, if a Fiat had a Ford badge attached to it you would love it despite it being a good car.”

a bit like holden badges on a daewoo hey.

Commodore will still outsell the new falcon, due to australias holden bogan mentality.

all reviews ( and I do mean ALL ) that i read over the past 5 years said the ford product was well ahead of the commo ( before VE came out ) , yet the commo still outsold the falcon.

must be because the holdens are cushy and feel like a boat, where the fords u can actually tell what the road is doing.

Matthew – You have just proven to me that you know NOTHING about the desogn/chassis of Orion!

Where do you get your info from…? The magazines? Well i can tell you they get it wrong most of the time too, just like you have.

HI HENDRICK

yeh it is a copy of the 5 series….except the botton arangemets look a bit like the New S class merc…they are silver in finish on high series and black on the rest….like the 5 series it does have that middle display in the center of the dash…and yes it is LCD. Im not sure what it will display, but expect to see dvd option and the regular climate control, nav radio etc…

No matter what any of you say, the new Orion is based on the old AU chassis which was a complete faliure. The AU was hated so much Ford had to virtually re-shape it into the BF to regain any credibility. Holden on the other hand never in the whole VT chassis series had to re-shape the car like Ford did with the defunt AU, it goes to show how solid the VT was and how incompetent the AU was. Now Ford are releasing a car based on a faliure ie AU. You people need to wake up, none of you know anything.

Will everyone shut up about who copied who.
Fact car designs are locked in at least 4 years before release and the only things that change in that time cosmeticially are minor things.
Mathew what are you 8 years old don’t you understand that this barge you call Ve is the no 1 in the market because of a little thing called fleet contract’s and goverment sales. Holden have contract’s in place with some of australia’s biggest companys some were signed well over 5 years ago just like ford had similar contract’s in place when the falcon was australias top selling car for something like 17 years. It is very nieve to base what is australia’s best car based on sale’s figures alone.
one last thing will people stop there dribble about the 1 billion dollars spent on Ve.
1) Half of that money was used for marketting not R&D
2) The reason that spent 500 million on Ve was to bring the car up to scratch becase dynamically it was so far behind the falcon and the magna for that matter.
3) This was the first car in which holden didn’t have opel design and underpinnings to relie on.

p.s I know the spelling and grammer is shit but the facts are still there.
p.p.s Mathew R&D means research and development

^

Maybe thats becuase there are more of them on the road then most other cars…. so the chances of them being involved in incidents is higher…..

What more than corolla’s? I dont think so ! How many Corollas do you see involved in accidents on the news?

the reason you see so many commodores wrapped around trees or in accidents is because they have no rear wheel traction because of the ancient rear suspension design. Bogans drive them because its easy to do burnouts in them. Too bad they cant go around corners.

Orion=AU, AU=faliure, hence the Orion based on the AU will also be a faliure+inferior to it’s competitors,nuff said.

HAHAHA,Thats funny who ever said that,I dont own one but I bet they do burn well !!!!!! Is that you Sam??

Matthew, let me tell you something, u say Orion=AU, AU=faliure. You must be of a very young age, physically, mentally or both. Remember ALL commodores up to VE were basically using the VB Commodore floor. The main reason the AU was somewhat of a failure is because of it’s looks. Which WERE ahead of it’s time, take a look at the latest Mercedes, very similar tail lights & other features to AU.

Dont get me started on this so called big horsepower V8 that’s comming. One thing Holden fans dont like to hear is “have I ever seen a holden/chev engine in F1? NO, Ford Cosworth DFV’s were winning F1 races & championships through the 60′s & 70′s (not to mention Schumachers championship in 1994), the V8′s are not the only racing format in the world….

Thanks “XXXX”, hit the nail on the head there.

Yeah, no probs Dan, had many an argument with Holden people. Usually get the lame “if u want to rev, get a chev”, “look at the V8 supercars”. But as soon as OTHER forms of motor sport are mentioned, well, u can hear the cricket’s chirping, lol…..

Looks to me like the previous Mustang mixed wtih Audi/Pontiac GTO. Ford needs to re-focus on the market they sell to, or expand the market linup. With the Mustang already in the Ford linup another “muscle” car will only take away from the sales of the Mustang, not attract new customers to Ford. Ford sells pickup trucks to males, mustangs to females and the rest of the linup is for the american family. Try a luxery car and dont call it a 500, try a roadster, try a convertable (that isnt a mustang). Try something with a stance that looks as good sitting still as it does moving.

Ok the Shelby Mustang from Hertz is booked for next week in th USA, min age is 25 to hire it……..what they think that us old fart wont thrash it???? HAHAHA

Its a rental dont be gentle!!!!!Will be fun, build quality will be shit compared our GT but its BLOWN so who cares!! Is auto though YUK…….

OK i am a Fully Qaulified Mercedes Benz Technician, I know my stuff as well as design rules and patterns.

I can safely tell everybody here that if you cover the Front and back of the “new 2008″ Ford Falcon with your hands, that it will look Exactly like the new VE Holden Commodore. why?

1. The front wheel Arch gaurd has the same L.E.D blinkers as the VE

2.front and rear doors as well as C pilar and A pilar have the exact same design pattern and for the rear door its a 70 degree angle finish replicated on the VE including the ass end down slant to the front wheel Arch Eg. The car sits higher at the rear and progresses to a slanted finish at the front.

3 Rear Qaurter window is located in the same position
as the VE

4. The newly added Euro door handles which showed up on the VE first.

5. The dual exauhst tips which carry On from the Commodore Calais and HSV range.

I must also add that The rear styling has not changed muched besides the the tail lights.Does not seem like a whole new shape to brag about or get excited about as its only a FORD.This comment goes out to holden aswell.

I must say that DUE TO MY EXPERINCES Holdens are much more refined, powerful, and better styling over the ford, In my opionion Holden still Wins over the Fords and has been winning ever since they brought out the shitty EA to AU models. with Terribly Ridiculous styling that never wants to make you drive a car again.

So to sum up Holden is a better overall car then Ford.

Now for those who want a real car with unique styling and sexy ways, then at least you got half a brain and buy a European car like BMW or Mercedes Benz excluding renault, citroen, peaugot,. i would not be wasting my money on a Ford or holden, unless i wanted a V8 which Holden supplies the best of the V8 variants.

oh yeah missile i forgot to ask where did you read about that 40th ann GT that went for $100k?
that is unheard of nowdays

Andrew I am trying to find it,I have only bought Motor and Unique cars in the week so in one of those I think!

Why would Ford Matthew want their car to look like a VE?

Ford buyers would never buy it,give up and go away!

Matthew,(the guy who obviously cant back his opinions with facts)
If it’s going to be a failure it will fail by it’s self, with or with out your mindless comments…

Why dont you go do something constructive, like have a wank about how cool you are?

hamster……..you would know about hunks of plastic i guess being a Holden fan. HSV have been hanging hunks of plastic off Commodes for years………..and not fitting it properly !!!!!!! My mates Clubby has had so many bits fall off its not funny !!!!!! Inside and out!!!!!! PLASTIC BITS.

Hey Andrew on the indicators in the side vents.I think the indicators look like there on the side mirrors.I think there just vents like the M3 has {Holden copied }. What you think?

Annonymous Mechanic

Duel tips exhaust!!!!The BFs had had for a while.

Rear Quarter vent windows same place as the BF are now.

Holden have always been the inferior of the Australian built car and being a mechanic I would have thought you would have relised this.

We owned a mechanical workshop for 15 years and the worst of the 2 was Holden.
We serviced part of Government fleet car,hertz fleet cars and others,so we saw a mixture of both models .The Holdens warrenty issues seemed never ending! Try driving an old XB Falcon against HQ Holden ,Ford is all over it in performance,handling,stopping and looks. Nothing has changed Holden will always try to play catchup,as they have with the VE. The new Falcon will be the Holdens next bench mark.

Mate stop trying to bait us,give up !! You have no idea how to spell let alone about what your talking about. What Holden have never sacked anyone? What did they do with their staff THEY PUT OFF,oh I know I met one resently he was driving a cab in Melbourne,yes it was a FORD .HAHAHA He had soooooo many nice things to say about the company too,NOT.
‘GO TAKE A STEP OUTSIDE AND SEE WHATS HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD “

those holden fans just can’t stand that ford was the creator of the car every thing on that car was the idea of ford

Mate Holden have only been going since 1948,I dont expect you to agree with me just see your wrong !Lol

Matthew, well u surprised me by saying something different (from the usual orion=AU), thought u were a computer generated post… The AU was not exactly a failure, some people did not like the looks, but as far as adding to the brand, it did a good job. For example, IRS BEST in class, the GMH trailing arm system dates back to the early 70′s (even the VE IRS is basically a tweeked COPY of the AU/BA IRS. There were also other things such as the cooling run dry system in the I6′s, ya know radiator hose lunches in the middle of no where & u can still get home (GHM V6 would melt).
So it was not a complete failure. also if u r a Holden fan fan for 28 years, what are u doing on a Ford forum, go play with the little boy’s on some Holden forum. By the way ford DO export cars, not as many as GMH, but at least u could get your facts right.

I am not ignorant,just giving the facts from experience like yourself. As we are clearly a similar age !

I have owned Holdens as well and the only one I regret that we sold ,was an A9X . Not due to how it drove but for what its worth now. It was purchased as a collectors item 18 years ago with only 13000 klms on the dial. Sold it for space in the garage for $29,000 a lot of money for one in 1989. Black 4 door cream interior is now in NSW. Have owned several SS Commodores thinking one would be better than than the next,but alas at around 30,000 klms the things disappointed me. I know my bench mark at the time was BMWs but we did have an XA GT Coupe also at the time {that we still have}and had a new Ford same era as the commodore that was simply a better car to drive! The Commodores simply just weren’t the same quality. We owned a workshop also and found the biggest problem car from the fleets we serviced were Holdens. So sorry but my opinion is based on what I have provided to you and I guess you will have yours and I shall have mine as you mentioned. Oh and husband bought a BA GT over the Monaro we tested at the time cause ,well they still didn’t handle as well as a Ford of the same era,a TS50 .You have to agree when it comes to old Australian Muscle Cars Fords still are the best and worth the most! Come lets agree on something

What else astonishes me as well with certain Holden fans. Now the Engine plant MAY be closing in Geelong, I now hear “cant even build your own engine any more”. Well when did the Holden straight 6 DIE, let me see OVER 20 YEARS ago. But some even thought the NISSAN 6 in the VL was a Holden engine. Funny thing I couldnt figure out, I was working at th Nissan dealer at the time of the VL, as soon as the engine was put in the VL, BANG, cracked cam tunnels, NEVER happened in the Skyline (say’s something for Holden engineering). There was a Holden dealer across the roas, we asked them what they thought it was, they told us that they believed it was the Holden coolant (as Holden wanted to use their own)……

matthew,
have you ever owned a falcon? i doubt it.
one main thing holden does better than ford is marketing. yep the same sorta marketing that seems to have gotten you to hate fords. you keep saying the same things over and over again with out directly pointing to the things that make holden superior. you carry on like a child. im guessing that even 28 years is a lie just because i dont think you are 40. if you are 40 im surprised you havent been knocked down by now.
you think holdens are something that runs around race tracks and dominated in the 2000-2001 era. that is where holden gets a lot of votes. those V8 supercars are not fords nor holdens.
dont get me wrong i am a big fan of V8 supercars, i think it is one of the best categories and as always it makes me feel good when ford wins even though both cars on the track are speced the same. you see i can see outside that world. there is only one holden team that would still make me smile if they won….good old perkins racing. oh and you notice holden fans are 99% HRT fans? that proves my point, as they were the team that dominated that era around 2000.

hey missile i know you are a supercar fan i just bought my tickets today for the local round in QLD. gee those things keep going up every year

Either way you want to cut it Andrew, Ford laying off 600 workers is a sign of poor business.

I am envious Andrew,I missed seeing the round in Perth this year cause our son had a knee reconstruction.

You going for 3 days ? Yep expensive $100 a day includes pits pass here. Annoyed they don’t have V8 superstars anymore,they were fantastic after the event on a Monday night. I bought Russell’s front guard there you know that one he pushed Skaifie off with at Eastern Creek last race of the season.You remember……..Skaifie shook his fist at Russell when he drove towards him…….hahaha. Ambrose won the Championship .They auctioned it off at the event. Sits in my office along with a card board cut out of Russell ,signed shirts from him and numerous pictures of his cars. Yep I am a Russell fan !!! Craig also a great bloke.Unlike crash Bandicoot,what a tool !!

Lost my voice one year screaming out for Russell,he signed the front of my shirt that meeting {whilst wearing it} ,husband nick named him the grooper for obvious reasons. He signed it again the following year.Funny guy and loves kids.

Have fun this weekend.Go the Fords !!!!

2007 V8 Supercar Championship Series – Round 7 of 14
Queensland Raceway, Ipswich, QLD – July 20 – 22
Schedule
Friday 20 July
1:15pm – 3:45pm – Practice
Saturday 21 July
11:35am – 12:30pm – Qualifying
3:35pm – Race One (38 laps)
Sunday 22 July
11:00am – Race Two (38 laps)
1:40pm – Race Three (38 laps)

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*All programs are shown on Channel 7
Saturday 21 July
2:00pm – 5:30pm (Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth)
Sunday 22 July
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*Times subject to change. Check local guides

Speak for yourself dirtbag.

I’m going to end this talk for myself a least by saying that i do hope the Orion is a success. Even though drive a VE SS and have been a Holden fan for sometime, i hope the Orion will sell as it will keep Aussies in jobs and that is the most important thing, not what car is the best. If Aussie cars don’t sell it will mean a saturation of Asian vehicals and many jobs losts, so yes i think the Aussie car makers must stick together and keep the large family sedan alive.

^ your a toss mate.

If i have been childish in denigrating Ford motorcars, than you lot have been equally denigrating toward Holden’s. The fact is i have driven every Ford BF model apart from the V8′s. I have driven the Turbo and the Typhoon and liked them. I’ve driven the EVO9, 07 STi and WRX as well as the VE R8 and the VE SS. Out of all the cars that i tested before buying the VE SS, the EVO killed every one of them in every area apart from comfort. I’m not going to fool myself like you lot in proclaiming that Fords are the best car out there because there not. Even as a Holden man myself i would rather an EVO and STi over a Ford or Holden. If i had the 60 odd grand needed, that is i would have gone. The Fords although good were not as refined as the VE’s that i drove and i was objective in my assessment. You could feel the Falcon was from another era. I chose the SS as it was the best mix of all the cars i drove and it was a steel at 47 grand with 20′ wheels and DVD player on the road. If the Turbo was as good that’s were i would have gone, but it wasn’t. I’m fair, i went to buy a car with an open mind and was impartial to either Ford or Holden. Holden delivered the better package at the time. I very much doubt any of you have recently driven the multitude of cars i have just recently, you talk like you’re an authority on the subject. If the Orion is better than the VE i will gladly go down that path, but as I have said, how could it be when it’s based on an old chassis?.

What Rick just said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guys on the Ford Forum have just posted the next wheels cover,with the pics that we all got last week of the Phoon 300kw and GT, 320kw !!!!!!!!!! So stuff that in your pipe Holden and smoke it

oh and by the way come back to when ford make a concept as good as the New Torana

Annonymous Mechanic likes talking to him self….

Nice flame war gents. Funniest thing I’ve read for a while. Matthew and Mechanic are both spoons and should go elsewhere.

Nice car.

why are all holden fans a pack of wankers? they are all a bunch of westies with mullets and beer gut morons with an old beat up VB commodores who think they know what they are talking about. its hilarious.

Annonymous Mechanic is a perfect example. This car has been in the making for years and what they just decided to wait until the new commodore was realeased to create the design? or are you that stupid to think the first drawings of the car were only created when the VE came out and they developed a new car in less than a year?? seriously mate wake up.

Even if what you are saying it looks the same – the techology in the car is again 5 years ahead of the VE. The VE is a model that was built to catchup to the development and techology in the BA/BF, and this new falcon will once again blow the commodore out of the water.

I love it when Matthew is proved wrong he doesnt know what to say except

Matthew said
July 20 2007 @ 1:35 pm

^ your a toss mate.

or

Matthew said
July 20 2007 @ 3:47 am

Speak for yourself dirtbag.

Clearly someone who can’t backup his ranting with facts. We can sit here all day and argue with you, you’ll never get it through your head.

When holden can sell a 40 year old car for $750,000, come back and argue with us.

Is Annonymous Mechanic drunk typing these things…or just some dumb kid, i mean how can u fill one of these comment boxes with that sort of rubbish then read it thinking its a great thing to say, and i know this is the internet but learn some basic sentence structures. And daniel sure Holden fans are generally more blue collar but lets not stoop to petty crap. What a great looking car…

Looks like Ford are importing there engines now because the old 4L has had its day. Now Ford can’t even build there 6 cylinder in Australia, quite useless. What’s next? there going to sack there work force and build there cars in China?. Every time i see a Ford it reminds me of a dirty stinking Taxi where people have vomited everywhere, not a good image to have, and a lot of my friends feels the same. I was sitting in a Ford silver Taxi the other day and i was looking a the dash board, the seats, the inner style of the car, and i must say it was shocking. No wonder Ford have to produce a new car, the old one stinks. When i compared the basic inner layout of the car to my SS, the SS was 10-15 years ahead in styling and comfort. This was a Fairmont Taxi, not just a BA or BF, it was the luxury model and it was very poorly finished off inside. Then there’s the pathetic problem of trying to get out of the back doors as the hinges don’t open up wide enough, absolutely pathetic. When i drove the Turbo and the Typhoon, great engines but it fell like i was sitting on top of the car, not in it. Then you have that stupid centre console that gets in the way of making gear changes, what stupid individual at Ford designed that?, they must have been on dope. The only way to get around that is to increase the height of the seat and then you head virtually hits the roof, I’m only 5’10 and this was the case. They just don’t think at Ford, there lacking brain cells, so instead they just try and replicate Holden. This Orion looks like a VZ at the rear and the new R35GTR at the front, Ford get your own ideas, for Christ sake. No wonder Fords sales suck. Ford don’t even have ESP for safety, nearly all Euro cars as well as the VE have it, how backward is that?. Not only are there electronic safety systems poor there engineering is poor also.

1. Get rid of those ancient iron block V8′s and inline 6′s, the world has moved on, there heavy and cumbersome. Sure the Typhoon and Turbo’s need the iron block but the aspirated V8′s and 6′s don’t!. Get with the real world!!!

2. Ford have there big heavy engines sitting to far over the front axles making the car a pig to drive and handle, particularly the V8 models. Look where Holden mount there V8′s, there’s more mass behind the front axes than beyond it creating superior balance.

3. Ford have here big fuel tank right under the boot trying to off set the massive weight up front, totally old hat. They should take a leaf out of Holden’s book and move the engine back and the fuel tanks forward to get a near 50/50 weight distribution. There stupid car would handle better for it. In any event we all know this is what Ford will do with the Orion as they are always the followers never the pioneers.

4. There FPV’s have skinny 245 rears, the HSV’s now have 275′s. The FPV’s would have nowhere near the rear end grip of the HSV’s out of corners, coupled with the HSV’s far superior weight distribution.

5. Your styling is bland, a symbol of the dense characters who are creating these piles of rubbish.

6. Your getting your butts well and truly kicked on the race track week in week out, that tells you something about your Fords, the VE race cars are still new and not even fully developed and there still beating you!!!!!!!.

7. When are you going to produce a modern chassis instead of that old AU chassis that would be nowhere in the vicinity of the strength or stiffness of the VE’s? No wonder the Holden has better handling and safety.

8. Time to wake up and see the truth.

^You must be blind, there is very little i have repeated in that post and you have no come back to the facts. In any event, you can’t win, you can’t beat me because i will just keep coming back for more as i truly feel the Orion is inferior, you cannot change my resolve about this issue.

Also while you are at it Barvairan Missile, please tell me why the Falcon chassis based on the AU will be better than the VE chassis which is the strongest and stiffest chassis ever produced in Australia?, i would love to hear your rationale.

Matthew have you ever thought of working in a shop with clocks. That go ding dong over and over, as that seems to be your little amount of grey matter you have in your head. Ford is already a good car, that is biting at holdens million dollar bucket of bolts. For performance and handling and very close, if not matching economy. The orion will be way a head of that thing they a holden.

hey matthew are those facts you stated about the 5 year old BA falcon or the orion because it would seem you are comparing an old model to the new model the orion has not been released yet and we won’t know what it’s stats are until it is released this article is about the next falcon not how holdens billion doller bogan is better then an outgoing model

“hey matthew are those facts you stated about the 5 year old BA falcon or the orion because it would seem you are comparing an old model to the new model the orion has not been released yet and we won’t know what it’s stats are until it is released this article is about the next falcon not how holdens billion doller bogan is better then an outgoing model”

I’m talking about the current model.

Also MATTHEW, did’nt GMH sack 1600 workers (an entire shift I believe) about 1 – 2 years ago?? And have since let go even more? If you bothered to watch current affiars shows, you would have seen last year that they even hired slave labour from eastern Europe for the design of a new paint shop.

Barvarin Missile if your out there, you know nothing. Thats why someone else had to answer for you, your a cop out.

Matthew, the facts are there, what, u cant even read properly. I do not hate holden, I just cannot stand when TOSSERS like yourself come to a forum which you clearly HATE the subject, just to be a child making comments you know nothing about to upset ppl. Do you see me in the VE section annoying ppl? NO, in one of your last posts you said you have been a holden fan for 28 years? dont think so, more like 28 months, your posts are about as smart as a 15 year olds. Any way as usual, cant answer my thoughts, just stir again………

And if i sound like i’m 15 you sound like your 7 or maybe below.

Matthew, if u MUST know, I am 40 & have been working in the auso industry since I was 17. What do u co for a living? Complain??

There is only one Fucking decent car on the road and that is a Ford xr6 turbo/ These things ram the tacho needle through the fucking rev limiter like a fucking jet engine so all you tossers that drive anything alse, fuck off

XXXX, are you silly?, what did i do at 6.44pm?, i new you could not read nor pay attention. Did you go to Uni?, bullsh-t! you would not have even got past year 7 with your antics. In any case i’m here to talk cars, not about you.

Hey Rick Harris. Blow me. I wouldnt buy an Australian made excuse of a muscle car, theyre all production line rubbish, this is no exception.

Who is this Mathew wanker. Dont talk EVO`S on this site mate. You have been wanking over your slot car set for too long. This is a mans site who own mens cars. Listen from experience, my Ford XR6 turbo piss`s all over my mates 2007 Coomadore R8 from a standing start all the way to top end. I know because I have done it. Evo`s dont light up the rear like a XR6 dose mate. It just not the same.

Hi everyone,

How good do the pictures look!!I have worked in the car industry for the past 5 years. Basically I do testing for Ford and Holden on there cars in every department as part of a warranty procedure. To see how long parts last,performace figures,ect.For years I have been a holden man. My reasonings for this are quiet simple. I have always belived in my opinion that holdens are a better looking car but let me tell you that once driving both cars your mind becomes confused.

The main reason for my comment is to put in my two bobs in on this discussion which primarily is discussing the new Ford. Wether your a Holden fan or ford Fan, you cannot sit here and say that from these pictures are ugly. Its a fantastic looking car. Holden fans, there is siularities to the VE but you have to expect that.. car design cant keep differentiating that much other wise you will see what happend with the AU when ford sales plumeted when trying to change things around to much. And as stated before holden did make sum things look very simular on the VE to the BA/BF due to BA/BF success in the styling. Why change a good thing?

I have driven VE’s and BF’s and belive me there is not much in them.. once again all opinion based but both great looking cars and great to drive but ill give you a run down on what i think. I will say in confidence though, the ZF gear box and 4.0l motor in the ford BA/BF are leagues ahead of holden 5 speed auto and 3.6 alloytech in the VE.Power, torque and the way the whole gearbox works with the motor is far more adequate. As for performace handling I cannot comment because at legal speeds both car handled great.. only at there limits will a proper judgment be possible which takes me to a next point… you can accelrate of ligts to the speed limit, you can brake hard to stop in a hurry if need be, but the way these cars are getting made now, you have to be going very fast to get messy in the corners in any Performance Ford or Holden. The turbo 6 is a corker and personally would take it over the LS2 and the Boss 290. My opinion on the V8′s is 1 sided unfortunatly… Holden has the more powerful motor in this department… Fords have better 6′s.

The LS2 believe it or not, is more fuel efficient and has power from when you take off.. the boss lacks low down get up and go….. but it has a fantastic note.

My only advice is wait and see what the new ford look likes because I think ill be a ford man come next year…

I can answer some questions…. same turbo motor will be used just more power, around 270kw…. GTs bewtween 300 – 310kW at the most…. and typhoon about 290KW.

Matthew, if you are here to talk cars, do’nt sit there with the Bullshit Ford copy Holden all the time, try to say something constructive for a change. And to answer your question, No I did not go to uni, I left Tech School, completed a Mech Eng certificate course, then completed a motor mechanic apprenticeship, all while u were probably bummimg around Uni, completing an arts degree. And no I am NOT Missles husband. Here are a few more answers for ya:

The 275’s are going to kill your 245’s for grip, get real mate!!!!!!!!!!!!. WELL INTERESTING SEEING AS I SUPPOSE U THINK THIS IS THE CASE AS 275′s PUT MORE PRESSURE DOWN??

Holden build there engines here, Ford will be importing them, great for jobs for Aussies NOT!- YEAH NOT GREAT FOR JOBS, BUT AS I SAID B4 IF HOLDEN ARE SO FAR AHEAD, WHY ARE THE ALLOYTEK ENGINES DESIGNED OVERSEAS & MANY OF THE COMPONENTS ARE IMPORTED.

You want to talk about pushrods, Ford are going back to them for there V8’s, copying Holden again!- REALY, IN YOU OWN POST U STATE”the existing six-cylinder and V8 engines will carry over with improved fuel economy”, WAKE UP

Even with Ford pushing the tank forward it’s still not the 50/50 that Holden have. BIG DEAL FORD WAS THE FIRST AUSSIE CAR MAKER TO DO IT (HOLDEN COPIED).

Who’s leading the Championship? HOLDEN!!!!!! NOT your unsophisticted Ford!- FOR NOW, DONT GET AHEAD OF YOURSELF, THING’s CHANGE QUICKLY IN MOTORSPORT. EVEN IF HOLDEN STAY AS AS THEY ARE NOW, AT LEASE THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO PUSH OTHERS OFF TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP.

The VE’s chassis is 200% stiffer than the BF, the BF is as flimsy as a piece of rubber. – 200%, THAT’s STRANGE, THOUGHT 100% IS MAX. I DO NOT THINK EITHER OF US WOULD KNOW UNLESS U WORK AT GMH….

Glad you answered the questiones i asked Barvarian Missile to answer because obviously she could not answer them, and you don’t read!.

Yea I do Read, alsi the Orion/VE door handles, they were on the Territory back in 2004, or was it earlier….

Hey XXXX thanks for the replies , seems we are the same age but Matthew I agree a child.

Funny how I asked for his qualifacations too ? None it seems .

My husband is a FORD FORUM member has been for 3 years so maybe you could go over to the Ford Forum cause I know those guys are dying to meet you.lol…

Andrew M ,you there?????

Did you have a good time at the V8s today ?

Plenty of biff and barge in the first few laps ,good race.

hahahaha,oh I have that picture now in my head.Thats him.

Matthew really drives a vauxall viva with lake pipes, 35kw 4 cyl, & retarded ignition timming so he can turn the key on/off and do back fires. He also has a dice hanging from the rear view mirror & A CD playing Mac the Knife.

I’m going now guys, see you tommorow, cheers Matt.

Bavarian Missile, why would the Ford Forum guys be dying to meet me? I’m nothing special, just a Ford fan, like yourself.

Theres nothing wrong with iron blocks mate, and they are stronger too.

Im sick of people comparing the au to ba and orion,ba is not the same as au at all.

The making of a good chassis is something stiff and rigid so the suspention can work optimally with also provinding strengh. This new Orion chassis will not have the inherent strengh or rigidity of the VE, simply because it is based on the AU chassis that is not even in the vicinity of strength nor rigidity of the VE’s. Strength tests have proved that the VE’s chassis is 200% stiffer than any other chassis produced in Australia, this is a FACT!. The Orion weak chassis is going to mean poor sloppy handling and passanger safety.

Instead of spending all that government R&D money making the Territory turbo, maybe Ford should have used it to do some weight reducing. Weight is what kills all these cars compared to the Euro’s, who use aluminium and magnesium throughout. If Ford went to an alloy block for the 6 and V8, chucked in some alloy suspension bits for the very heavy rear IRS, there would be HUGE benefits. Close to 50/50 weight distribution, along with a 100-150kg weight reduction overall and the car would handle, brake and steer better. Economy would be greatly improved along with much better performance as a side-benefit. Look at the VE, 140+ Kg extra weight over the VZ, so to get the same overall performance, power has to be increased, which means economy gets worse, brakes have to be bigger to cope with the extra weight (And big brakes themselves weigh more only adding to it!). Tyres cop a pounding and have to be bigger for the load rating. Transmissions may not last as long with the extra weight. Likewise suspension components ie. dampers, have to be bigger to cope.
The problem with the aussie cars in general is they are only just now incorporating features that the Japanese and Euros had in their cars 5-10 years ago and they are just not making them reliable enough. We had a BA Falcon and sold it because it was just too unreliable and their service people are shocking. We have since moved on to a Honda Jazz and while you might laugh, apart from overall width, the Jazz has MORE room in it that the Ford but has all the benefits of a small car, not the least being HALF the fuel used. I think the large cars days have almost come to an end for city use. It seems by the current trend towards small cars that we are not the only ones…

Matthew cant you please go to the VE post where people will listen to your dribble,your not convincing us so your wasting our time and yours by continuing.

A agree with what Matthew said. This car is an AU wrapped up in a new body.

The Duratec 35 (code-name Cyclone) is a family of automobile engines from the Ford Motor Company. The first version, a 3.5 L V6, appeared in September 2006 in the Lincoln MKZ. Its displacement can be increased to 3.8 liters, meaning a Duratec 38 could come soon after. Mazda calls its version of the Cyclone the MZI.
The Duratec 35 was on the Ward’s 10 Best Engines list for 2007.
The Cyclone is an all-aluminum engine based on the Lincoln/Jaguar Duratec 30 DAMB, and includes variable cam timing on the intake side, a feature already found on the Jaguar AJ30 and Mazda AJ versions of the 3.0.
The new heads relocate all accessory drives to the front of the engine with a flush chain drive. Unlike the current Duratec 30 used in most North American Ford applications, this engine features direct acting bucket style valve actuation (with shim adjustment) instead of roller finger followers with hydraulic lash adjusters. The new combustion chambers are reshaped as well.
Direct injection, turbo charging and a dual-stage variable length intake manifold can be added later. Centrally-located sparkplugs, and a 10.3:1 compression ratio are other features. The Duratec 35 is ULEV-II compliant and is said to be capable of meeting the PZEV requirement as well.
Official SAE certified engine output is 265 hp (198 kW) and 250 ft-lb (339 Nm) on 87 octane gas, but could reach 300 hp (224 kW) once planned features like gasoline direct injection are added. This is a substantial upgrade in power from the Duratec 30, and bests all competitive engines except the newest version of Nissan’s VQ35DE and Toyota’s 2GR-FE[1].
The 3.5 L engine is the same exterior size as the 3.0 L Duratec 30, and is intended to replace it in some applications as a standard or optional power upgrade, notably the Ford Taurus in the 2008 model year. Production began in 2006, for the Ford Edge, Lincoln MKX, and Lincoln MKZ. Eventually the company expects the engine to be available in 20% of all Ford vehicles by the end of the decade. The Duratec 30 continues in production for other vehicles, such as the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan.

The Duratec 35 displaces 3.5 L (3496 cc/213 in³) with a 92.5 mm (3.64 in) bore and 86.7 mm (3.41 in) stroke. The first batch of aluminum blocks was made by Teksid in Mexico and is now being made by JL French, while the heads come from Nemak in Alabama, and the crankshaft comes from Bharat Forge of India. The engine is assembled at Lima Engine in Lima, Ohio, with expansion planned in Cleveland Engine Plant #1.
Current applications:
• 265 hp (198 kW) at 6250 rpm and 250 ft-lb (339 N•m) at 4500 rpm
o 2007 Ford Edge
o 2007 Lincoln MKX
• 263 hp (196 kW) at 6250 rpm and 249 ft-lb (338 N•m) at 4500 rpm
o 2007 Lincoln MKZ
o 2008 Ford Taurus
o 2008 Ford Taurus X
o 2008 Mercury Sable
• 2007 Mazda CX-9 (“MZI”)
Possible future applications
• Ford Mustang
• Ford Falcon (Australia)
• Ford Territory
Duratec 37
A 3.7 L version of the Cyclone is reportedly being developed for the Lincoln MKS and other vehicles, starting in the 2009 model year
Twin Force
A direct-injected, twin-turbocharged version of the all-aluminum Duratec 35 has been developed, producing 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 ft-lb (542 Nm) of torque. The Twin Force 3.5L V6 is intended to deliver the performance (on demand) of a typical large displacement 6.0 L-class V8, with the normal driving (highway) fuel efficiency of a 3.0 L to 4.0 L class V6.

Gasoline direct injection more precisely manages fuel flow into the cylinders, for more efficient combustion and emissions control, when compared to port injection. Twin-turbo charging forces more air into the engine on demand, allowing additional fuel to be injected and burned, producing more power: 118 hp (88 kW) per liter in the case of the Twin force.
Technologies for the twin turbo charging system were developed in cooperation with Volvo Cars, and the gasoline direct injection system is a joint development between Ford and Bosch based on Bosch DFI systems already in production.
The engine is also capable of operating on any mix of E85 ethanol and premium gasoline, and makes its debut in the Lincoln MKR concept coupe/sedan, introduced at the 2007 North American International Auto Show”.

have heard for a while now that the VE model is having major problems. Today I heard that the problems are so significant that the export US model has been cancelled. In addition to this apparently Holden did not conduct any packaging studies for the Alloytech V6 when it designed the VE body. They have now discovered that the battery will not fit in the engine bay which has resulted in Holden having to relocate it to the boot at significant expense.

Anybody hear any VE related stories and can confirm any of the above?

There are no problems with the VE such as the ones you have mentiond, it’s all hot air.

How many teeth are some of these people missing….

I wanted to be fairly unbiased but im starting to find that Holden fans (in general) are alot less open minded and are just blindly brand loyal, in all reality there has never been a huge difference between the two aussie cars and it sorta gets to me when people go to far with moronic comments… there just cars…. be patriotic…even brand loyal but to insult people based on information that may not be true/is irrelevant/or holds little importants is a bunch of crap. I have also come to realise that fords age alot better… not just asthetically but mechanically when compared with the other of similar mileage. If you genuinely think Ford is copying Holden more than the other way around… have a bit of a look at the history of the two… it one takes some basic pictures to see where these have happened…. look at the similarities then look at the year it happened, e.g. vr/vs/vn/vp have those silly windows in the C pillar…. fords ea/ed/ef/el didnt…AU didnt…then wow….its gone by the VT… look at the shape of the BAs headlights then look at the VEs…. these are just to name a couple…. but the two companies should learn from each other….and if ford and holden have done it, you can be dam well sure that a euro company did it years ago… our w126 merc has ABS, a saftey cell, it was wind tunnel tested, has an airbag and has eletric windows…. now it took a while for Oz to get those sorts of things on the list….. the last commodore wasnt ever tested aerodynamically… and isn’t crash tested for rear impacts.

So stop this Bogan bullshit and base things on facts or state your opinion…dont mix them togeather…..the car at the top of this page looks great to me and only like a VE in respect to the basic idea of the vehicle and their common superiors in design (lets face it the A6 and 5-series is sort of what their aiming at)

Maybe some people should get their eyes checked… honestly this car shares very little with the VE. The front is different, the back is different, the side is different… what the hell is similar? That it has 4 wheels and an engine?

hey missile,
sorry had busy weekend didnt get time to check up on the chit chat.
yeah racing was good it usually is they always fill the day full of some good categories. it was good to see the utes for a change. they hadnt run them with the V8′s for a while.

ah but anyway,
has this matthew gone? has he run out of ill informed stuff to say? i love it how every one had directed questions to him and he didnt answer them, and then he posts some of his own and critisises when 30 other people answer them before the person they were directed at gets a chance.

Yeah im with you paul i dont know where people get off saying this looks like a VE. are they clutching at straws or what.
and to just further to pauls point i shall re-post what i have said earlier…….
“Andrew. M said
July 15 2007 @ 6:31 pm

one noteable thing about what has been said by the “anti ford club” is eeeewwww it just looks like a ba/bf nothing new. than the next sentence out is pffft they have copied the VE. WHAT THE????????

ill say it slower for them. ford is allowed to have a car with similar traits/looks to their last model (since they designed it) just because holden also made the VE look like the last model falcon doesnt mean they can claim rights to the design just cause they hurried to get theirs out first.”
END

you see what i see is a BF falcon that has evolved into this new shape. if people cant see that this car is bred from the same styling as the last they must be blind, and then to lay claims that it is a “holden copy” then that is just ridiculious.

oh yeah and earlier someone said ford copied the door handles, well yes they are the same setup as the commy but….
1. the commy has just put them on too
2. where did the commy get the design from
3. and as some one pointed out earlier (and i over looked prob because i doesnt mean much) ford actually used them first on the territory!!!

and who reckons the falcon ages mechanically quicker?pffft! i know of plenty of falcons that go to pretty high milage and keep kicking quite well and also i know of plenty of holdens that start to have problems when they have seen 100K in sight. to me i thought it was well known that the falcon (particularly mechanicals) last longer. taxis are a pretty good e.g. every one knows how those guys drive and the amount of k’s they rack up. you jump in a taxi with like 400k on it and they still ride smooth and put you back in you seats.

Hey Andrew,glad you had a great time at the V8s, thought it was some of the best racing we have seen this year from them. Never seen the utes at the track ,fun to watch on the TV though so I imagine some close racing at the track. Love the noise the V8s make when they hit the rev limiter . Did you see any drivers close up,Skaife normaly thinks hes too good to stop and chat to anyone and crash bandicoot would have to give money away to attract a crowd. Seems even the Holden owners don’t like the little creep. Watched the F1s last night,what a race !!!!!!!! 6 cars off in the first corner ??? Funny to see but expensive day for some. Finaly Mark on the podium 3RD .

Matthew I don’t know,if you read further back on the Saturday we had a bit of a fling between xxxx and myself. I answered his demands at the end of my day {a waist of 20 mins of my life I won’t get back},no comeback from him after. Then I asked for him to leave and he did?? He is probably still here as another alias,we will soon pick him I guess.

Did you go to the ford forums and see the cover of the latest wheels,or is it out in the Eastern States ?Interesting stuff .Indicators on the side mirrors if you have a look and a read , 320 kw stated

There is only one reason why all you Holden dick heads are on the site and that is because you are all worried about the new shape Falcon and you all know it. The new Ford is going to be a ripper, the 5.4 is going to have more grunt than the LS2 and the turbo six will still have the legs over the LS2. Thats embarasing. You all know it and you dont like it. Get used to it girls because its not far away.

They were all left hand drive weren’t they the E30 M3? Great cars in general the E30.

Not good to here of the problems you have had ,I guess there is a bad egg in every batch every now an then.Am surprised though.Sounds like the BAD service you have had has made matters worst.I wouldn’t bag the Orion on one bad experience from Ford. There are a lot of recalls problems also as previously mentioned on the VEs. Lets see how lucky you are with the VE,how many KS have you done in it so far? Will you post any warranty problems you have with the VE for us? Honestly,be interested to know. .Cheers

Excuse my english. it is my second language.

New falcon looks promising indeed!!!!!
Hope the new GT gets 5.8 LT (351CI) again
As for the bullshit KW talk. Holden 385KW 7 Litres.
Well Go for it and spend 150K on your crap box Commo.
I am sure by 2010 Holden will have that capacity up to 10 litres by the time they are finished.
And well it will still get beaten by a suped up 50K XR6T which is pumping 400+ KW under the hood and pulls low 11s at the strip.
I mean hell who keeps their cars stock from the showroom floor anyway!!!
And just wait Holden will soon fall to the bonnet hump just wait for it….VG Commodore complete with XR bonnet Hump HAHA!!
Just check out the stripe option for the VE SS etc. It has “I wanna be a Ford” written all over it. And to be honest I think the VE is pretty conservative too in the looks department. HSV’s are not so bad though!
As for the new Falcon I think it’s heading in the right direction as far as looks go. But its early stages yet. I think it will be much better than what those pics are
showing. I really think Ford has leaked these pics to see what the public reaction will be. They look so much like in house design concept pics to me.
So go for it Ford and 351 and HO it please!!!!!!

Fellas i have to admit the VE is a very impressive car. My mates got a VE SSV manual and he gave me a drive, the thing is very impressive how it corners, brakes and the power of the engine. Power down out of slow corner is exceptional for a rear wheel drive car, they probably copied Fords suspension. The other night i gave him a run at the set of street lights near my place up to around 180kph in my BF XR8 and his SS was a good 6 car lengths ahead by the time i was at about 140. The L98 must have some serious power as i got a good start. I’v got a set of headers and cat back system and he was still quicker stock. I think Holden are bull shitting about the 270kw claim because mine would be making more than that and i still got done.

Mines got 240kwrw and i usually dust WRX’s and Stock xr6 turbo’s. Maybe he’s had a little work done that i don’t know about. Anyhow i hate Holdens really, this is why i key the side of everyone i come across that i can get away with. Did a red VE GTS the other night and it felt really good. I also like slashing there tires, did that at Queensland raceway last time i was up there to a clubby and SS, bet those Holden fans who drivem are not laughing. What i would love to do is start burning them, that would be cool. Everytime i see one on the road it just makes me boil inside. Ford should be the only aussie muscle on the road, not this Holden crap.

Fordman said

July 24 2007 @ 12:02 am
“Do any of you guys key people Holdens?, the only Holden i don’t do it to are friends.”

Classic

294 comments and still cranking…
I’m loving it

good to see plenty of people defending the fords!
keep up the work fellas!

I i also keyed John Howards car outside parliament house Lol. Guys i’m only joking about the keying, but i have seen fanatical Ford fan doing it over the years.

what the hell is this zang gye talking about. Was that coment a joke lol u might aswel say it looks like a corolla

hey guys,
I own a red clubby. last time i was at QLD race way some bugger keyed it on me. if any one hears anything, can you let me know please?

oh yeah missile what did you pay for that guard? yeah i remember that incident as if it were yesterday, one of the funniest things i have seen.(serves him right) hey i thought he was just keeping the tyres warm (swerving) he he he

Why bother keying anyones car… I wouldnt touch anyone’s car… Holden or otherwise… I don’t want some low life screwing with my car…

hey back up missile i dont have a clubby i was just making a funny out of what fordman said in that he keyed one onetime. when i put my car away it was a falcon and i hope it still is in the morning.

and people must have also missed the fact that he was kidding about keying cars too.

to go on with what missile said about the VE yes it prob is good compared to the last commys. just cause they finally got one to handle and designed their first chassis doesnt mean it is the best outside of holden

It’s not the fact wether one is better than the other. I just hate ford, i was taught as a kid to hate ford, and i can’t help it. When you have been raised to hate various things and people it’s very hard to change.

Phew Andrew you scared me ……… I thought not.

Robbo if you say is true {and your name isn’t really Matthew} I would suggest you go to few Ford Car Shows . I mean that’s extreme in what your saying. We show a XA GT Coupe that even Holden owners stop to look at . Even want to buy it at times mostly Greeks & Italians!!!! It will appear in the next Street Ford Mag if you want to see . Anyhow this is very tongue in cheek a lot of the hatred that flies between the makes. We all appreciate good cars in the end I think, I will appreciate the work a Hot Rodder has done on any make. This post is really on new makes and previous standard models that have been released. Hey it was only last week that a VP Commodore owner said as I was getting into the BAGT ,”KOOL CAR” yep I was taken back too. “Thanks was all I could manage”

There is no real reason i hate fords or hate the people that drive them or talk about them, i just don’t like them. I really hate all the hardcore Ford fans out there that think there cars are the best in the world. Ever heard of M5′s, M3′s, Audi RS4′s,AMG Mercs?. These cars are much better than your ford crap.

hey Robbo…. have you heard of the GT40??? car that goes 0-100 insd 3.5secs and tops out at 330km/h

It’s funny how Ford fans are getting all excited over 320kw. You’ll be kicking yourselves when Holden take the muscle car engine to a whole new level with the 385kw LS7. And if this is not enough, the LS9 with 500kw’s will be. You can’t win, Holden will alway increase the power so they stay ahead.

you can buy a twin turbo system for the american ford gt not (ford falcon gt)from ford

ford gt = 0 to 100km/h 3.5 secons
ford gt with twin turbo = 0 to 100km/h in 2.1 seconds
look at the car for your self at joes ford gtt on google

this is the 2006 ford gt info
Engine Configuration V
90-degree
Cylinders 8
Aspiration/Induction Supercharged
Displacement 5.40 L | 329.5 cu in. | 5400.5 cc.
Valves 32 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 550.00 BHP (404.8 KW) @ 6500.00 RPM
Torque 500.00 Ft-Lbs (678 NM) @ 3750.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio 6.3 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)
HP / Liter 101.9 BHP / Liter
Bore 3.55 in | 90.2 mm.
blow the holdens off the track

Power power power…………is that all you Holden wankers know about? I myself like torque………do yoyu know what that is? If you want great engine flexibility and driveability torque is king. Which is why the F6 Typhoon is 30kw less in power than the Hsv thing but the performance is the same in real world conditions, and it is a much easier to drive in ALL conditions. Do you understand ?

the boss 5.4 litre is a good motor if u do i up the right way
it can get up to 795 kws and over 1800 nm ive see them run on alcohol but hey has any one been in a car faster then 0 to 100 km/h in 3.7 seconds
i have it was a ford to

F-ing fast ………….love it

The LS7′s have been tuned in the U.S to produce 1300kw’s with twin turbo’s for drag racing.

Chevs don’t REV!!!!!!!!!!

Ford are everywhere in racing ,where is Chev again ??

This is fun.Doesn’t one of these engines rev to 19000 rpm!!!MMMMMM Formula 1 is the pinacle still for development for future engines. Wheres Chev???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APiApBXkzJc

Look at the rear of the Orion, the rear lights look like the VE, very poor imagination. Ford’s are crap.

hey general take these pictures of the ford orion redisgn them and send them to me its bloody hard and in the end u will like it the way the tail light r it matches the body shape

ps ve looks gd

general, no idea,
the tail lights on these shots are the bf tails with an extra curve thrown in for a bit more style i suppose

why are you holden fans so desperate to say this looks like a VE? it doesnt. dont you like what holden gave you?
if you want to see VE tail lights on another make go have a look at where holden stole them from….
the mitsubishi 380

ford hasnt copied any styling cues from holden and to say the rear end, well thats just silly, that is prob the bit that has changed the least from the BF

^well said. The General is the “GENERAL” and Ford are the privites of the Australian car industry. Your right when saying they can’t compete with the 6 litre, no wonder they have to use turbo’s because there V8 with DOHC still can’t beat a push rod engine. It’s also the reason Ford are going back to push rods, there 5.4 DOHC is piece of junk compared with the LS2 and the LS7 coming out.

hey General fuck off to some other chat site we dont care what u and ur holden bullshit have to say

well incais no one new the ford is bringing a super roo the gtho thats going to be supercharged yea can u imagine a 320kw gtp engine with a supercharged i think it will be over 425 lol shit holden fans dont think fords not going to have somthing to compeet against holden lol good bye holden again

hey tim i herd of the new gtho aswell comen out end of 2008 in the orion modle how kool is that going to be with a supercharger on it

I think this Holden legend guy and General dood are just bloody idiots from what I am reading. Who would call themselves Holden legend unless he had his hand on it 24hrs a day and General dood, you have been watching too much Dukes of Hazard. The 6 litre is an embarrassment to Holden. I have witnessed a Typhoon 6 cyl put away the 2007 R8 from a stand still and led all the way until the speed limiter kicked in. The 6 cyl Typhoon was a clear winner. No one even mentions the V6 holden. That wouldnt even get a look in. Face the facts holden tossers, you`re LS2 gets shat on by a six.

Hey sad case… Holden alreay have a v8 supercharger out…Heard of the VE Walkinshaw. 6 Litre LS2 Supercharged, 370KW+, 700Nm. Imagine when they supercharge the new 7 Litre comin out.

Holden Legend said:
Ford are way behind holden. Ford have just figured out that a straight 6 can now be made as a V6. you’re a couple of decades old there. Holden has been exporting cars to the US, England, china, etc with great success for many years. Guess what now? Ford want to do the same with the Onion. Why did Ford scrap the long wheel base? cause they couldn’t compete with the holden’s long wheel base statesmen sales. Why are Ford turning away from V8 engines instead going more with 6cyl turbo crap? Cause they cant keep up with holden’s (Chev) V8. Its simple, you’s will always follow the General, on the race track, on the street, and with sales.

Lets start with the exports, look at the AU dollar, bet it’s killing GMH’s exports?

Ford have had a V6 a lot longer than GMH, remember the early 70′s Capri GT? The reason for the shift to V6 now is globalisation. There is nothingwrong with a straight 6, in fact V6′s have inherant vibration probs.

Please do not talk about the race track, FECT 1 – Has a Holden or Chev engine ever won a F1 race or championshit – NEVER. And dont talk of the V8 Supercars, Both Holden & Fords are like nothing u can buy in the dealer. The Holdens use Ford 9″ difs & many other bits that Ford used b4 they got em. Until VE they even used a very similar front suspension setup (the orig strut setup was crap)

XXXX, your an idiot, ford sucks.

“BIG DEAL WHO WOULD WANT TO PAY WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE OVER $100,000 FOR A COMMODORE? Would rather spend that kind of money on a BMW or MERCEDES.”

You moron, you will never have the money for a late model Merc, your to ignorant and self absorbed in Fords. Your a loser.

TheGeneral said:

You moron, you will never have the money for a late model Merc, your to ignorant and self absorbed in Fords. Your a loser.

INCORRECT MORON, I HAVE SAID IT B4 & I’ll SAY IT AGAIN. I LIKE BOTH HOLDEN & FORD, THE VE IS A NICE CAR. I JUST PREFFER FORD’s. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN MORON’s LIKE YOURSELF COME TO A FORUM WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN JUST TO STIR. WHAT QUALIFICATIONS DO YOU HAVE TO BACK UP YOUR COMMENTS anyway?? AN ARTS DEGREE MAYBE? THINK REAL LONG & HAED & GO TO A VE/GM FORUM WHERE U WILL B WELCOME.

“I LIKE BOTH HOLDEN & FORD, THE VE IS A NICE CAR”

Bullsh-t, your a Ford fan through and through, an now your LIAR. Stop causing trouble and talking rot, your like a bad taste you can’t get out of your mouth.

They VE walkinshaw supercharged 6 liter is $88,000.00. Now you find a Merc or BMW with that price tag that has 370kw+. And your talking about the new ONION GTHO Supercharged comin out in 2008. How much do you think thats gonna cost. Also the VE GTS is 1 of 3 cars in the the world to have the same shocks.MRC. Same as Ferrari. What new feature has the Onion got…

TheGeneral said

July 25 2007 @ 11:01 pm

“I LIKE BOTH HOLDEN & FORD, THE VE IS A NICE CAR”

Bullsh-t, your a Ford fan through and through, an now your LIAR. Stop causing trouble and talking rot, your like a bad taste you can’t get out of your mouth.

As I said, I like both, u know that is possible (well maybe not in your small mind), just prefer Ford. Well if u want to b like that the must be that rotten fart, u know the one. The one that you just cant push out in fear of shitting your pants.

holden legend said

July 25 2007 @ 11:06 pm

They VE walkinshaw supercharged 6 liter is $88,000.00. Now you find a Merc or BMW with that price tag that has 370kw+. And your talking about the new ONION GTHO Supercharged comin out in 2008. How much do you think thats gonna cost. Also the VE GTS is 1 of 3 cars in the the world to have the same shocks.MRC. Same as Ferrari. What new feature has the Onion got…

GET IT RIGHT I NEVER SPOKE OF THE ORION GTHO, JUST THE ORION. AND FOR $88,000, I COULD BUY A BMW WITH LESS KW’s BUT HANDLE BETTER & BE A BETTER CAR.

This is all I have to say

How many times does ford lead in the top ten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

How many times has ford won a championship compared to the general.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/content/history/record_book/cars_used_to_win/?ind=

say no more…

kw’s kw’s kw’s…..thats all you holden guys talk about…what about the rest of the drive train? no point in having a 400 kw engine with a piece of crap for a gearbox and diff..

soon you’ll have a 10 litre V8 with 600 kws….all they seem to do is put a new computer in the thing that gives it an extra 100 kw anyway, at least the ford v8 has the technology to build an engine with real grunt. have you ever compared the values of a chev v8 to a ford v8? chevs have little 1c coin holes..

just becuase you have 350 kws at the fly, doesnt nessesarily mean you can knock off a 300 kw falcon.

all this is speculation. for all we know ford might be planning a falcon with jet engine and you’d still be having this argument…

just wait and see. Ford aren’t going to sit there and watch Holden beat then black and blue….

Julian, your comments are true, to some extent. Sure all Commodores up to VE were based on Opel. I’m not saying Ford are 100% Aussie, but I have not seen an overseas Ford that looks like an AU, BA or the Orion. Ford have more Australian built components etc in them than Commodores.

Your also right about the turbo engines. The only one I remember that GMH had was in the VL Commodore & that was a Nissan engine.

Daniel, hit the nail on the head. Why do GMh increase engine size? Is it because they cant get any extra porew from the 5.7? Heck in another 20 years as you said they will have a 20 ltr 1000 kw engine….

if u compare it to the ba/bf it looks alrite otherwise i think they went overboard with the plastic shit at the front and its not doin much for me 2 be honest

I’m a Holden Fan but that’s just awesome looking!
But alas looks aren’t everything, I hope they’ve upped the technology aswell other wise it’s just a madeup BA/BF. Why dosen’t Ford or FPV ask the mother company if they can use the V8 of the Ford GT40 (New one),as HSV has with the corvette’s LS 7??!!

I reakon the new Falcon is bloody neat. Especially the white one.

Rod

I am a holden and ford man. I have worked in the car industry for years now and have experianced both cars. Holden fans may be worried about the new orion. Ford fans should be worried that if this car isnt succesful, there will be big problems for fords future. Personally I love the ORION more than the VE, but most my work collegeus belive the VE is a nicer looking car… and we have seen them in the flesh..

As for quater mile times in the BF and VE… my best on the VBOX on a BF XR8 was 14.4 and VE SS was 13.9. The holden has no competition in the V8 sector at the moment from ford. Hopefully the Orion is somthing special.

two words……….(holden sucks)

James,

How old are you? Grow up. Holden nor ford “suck”.

Jill,

your correct nd the GT around 320kw. Ive seen the cars in teh flesh… nice looking!! Cant wait to drive 1!

holden is rubbish.

why dont you Holden wankers go watch re runs’ of mark scafe ..hehehe

Greens TUF..
You lost all creditability when you said Chrysler and Ford built the best V8′s in the world.
The remainder was just plan fanboy dribble.
Ford isn’t setting the world alight in the F1′s Did you forget this??. And nothing you say will make the Boss engine a great engine, It’s main problem is it does not rev high enough and it’s only an “till we find something better engine”. Have you missed the Boss engine kicking pistons out? You might have been stalking a holden dealers when this happened not a pretty sight. Pull out the motor no room anywhere in there don’t get me started on the exstracters even if it makes good money doing them.
You call for facts!. And type with one hand. By the Finnish you just embarrassed yourself with the V8′s. Both have used one another parts to become as equal as possible.. I’m more then happy to go back to the VT-VX days.. Are you??.
You must be so proud of your American Heritage.

Do you Holden wankers realise that the Holden V8 Stupidcars run a FORD 9 INCH Crownwheel\pinion? GM ones kept blowing up…………..

Do you also realise that the V8 Stupidcars have absolutley nothing…………yes nothing in common or even close to the production cars?? They are totally irrelevant in every way……………
The only thing different between the Ford and Holden Stupidcars is the body and the engine…….like i said they are totally irrelevant

all very lovely but i’ll stick with the new citroen C5 Diesel twin turbo intercooled common rail 125kw 320Nm abs eba esc for round $55000 or for real go the peugeot 607 with the V6 twin turbo diesel 155kw 470Nm
with both of the you get fuel economy something ford and holden have yet to discover. Cant say ive spent much time driving Falcons. They are almost impossible to get into with the racked front door opening. have to back my bum in then scrunch my head don till my back hurts, arch back stick my head up till it almost touches the roof then swing in the legs.know what i mean? go try getting into a C5 then know that its “Design” thats missing from the falcon design.
Cheers
James Hunter
Metford 2323 N.S.W.

ford has just won 5 awards for there motors in 2007

GM got none hehehehehe

my ford 351 xc would kick any holdens ass in side out.hahahah……….351 Orion no .1

Its funny how you Ford people proclaim to have it all over Holden but not one of your cars in stock trim is faster than a Holden VE SS or HSV to 0-100kph or down the 1/4 mile in any of the big magazine, wether that be Motor or wheels magazine. What dreamers you all are, you have no credibility with your so called “facts” as there full of crap. Ford sucks, and Ford fans suck.

Harrold 1st you assume too much, I am not american!!! Yeah I would be rather happy to go back to the shitbox VT and VX Nice swoopy bodywork with crap mechanicals. AU was a far better handling car than the VT-VX. How bout we go back to the VN- VP = Vauxhual Cavalier days haha.
VT-VX were recall city.. Air con drive train, engines shall we go further.. Holden even goto the trouble to shut their disgruntled customers by paying them to keep their mouths shut. BTW I dont stalk Holden dealerships. I just Know because I have worked in Automotive Manufacturing for 17 years. Boss cannot rev eh? WTF do u think a 7 Litre is gonna rev to?? As far as F1 I am talking about what Ford have done not what they are doing at this present time. How many championships have GM/Holden ever won! As far as V8 supercars go Holden just cry like babies if they are getting their asses kicked. Look at the yeah when they run a round up at bathurst and Both shell cars won by the length of conrod. All the Holden crybabies spat their dummies. And look at Bathurst last year, Oh shit a Fords winning how bout we pull a safety car out for a car that is beached 200m deep in a sandtrap to give holden another crack and trying to win. Oh and you did not explain how I lost all my credit By saying Ford and Chrysler Build the best V8s in the world. And yeah they are as good as European V8s so dont even go there!!! And please enlighten me on what engine parts ford are using that come from GM???? As it stands Holden use “Watts linkage”(Ford) “Double wishbone” Suspension (Ford) and Hybrid V8. And in the A9X days they used toploader and 9″ diffs too.
-”You lost all creditability when you said Chrysler and
Ford built the best V8’s in the world.” Dribble!
- “And nothing you say will make the Boss engine a great engine, It’s main problem is it does not rev high enough” Dribble! Dribble! Dribble..
Anyone for 1 on 1 Basketball..
-

TheGeneral said

July 27 2007 @ 8:34 pm

Ford were crap in F1 sure the DFV had many wins early on but got blown to the shit by Honda,Porsche, Ferrari and Renult in the 80 and 90’s. There Jaguar outfit was a failure, they have not won at Lemans since the GT40, Ford are crap. It’s time for you Ford followers to switch over to the General.
HEY GENERAL, FORGOT 1994, FORD, SCHUMACHER & BENETTON = WORLD & CONSTRUCTORS CHAMPIONS, PLEASE THINK B4 COMMENTING…

I keep hearing from the holden fans “walkinshaw supercharged 7 litre 385kw, well seeing as we are talking forced induction, how about the japanese tuner who got 1000 hp from an XR6 Turbo engine? Kinda makes the 7 litre v8 sound insignificant…….

General, whats it like to be a complete fucking wanker. Holdens Suck

Well GENERAL, Well I got it wrong by 1 year (forgot u Holden ppl NEVER make mistakes), Senna still won in a FORD HB, nothing in common with the DFV? THNK, the HB wan an evolution of the original DFV, again, where are your precious holden/chev engines in the pinacle of motorsport – NOWHERE. Mate your lucky YOU have not been pulled over by the booze/drug bus, sorry forgot, your not old enough to drive.

hey general,holden rule. Rod your a wanker and xxxx like general said you lack brain cells. General are you in the health industry?

your all a bunch of wankers. holden suck cock. xxxx can go stick his tiny cock in the exhurst pipe of one of his stupid little holdens and the general can go get his gear stick and shove it up his arse.

hey i have nothing against holden fans, infact i have a few mates who are red fans, but when a holden fan starts slagging on the fords thats when i draw the line.
what are you holden guys here to prove?

1. FOR 1 HOLDEN DONT MAKE A V8!!!!!!!!!!
so if you want to start talking that holden makes better V8′s arent you worried that someone might point out they dont make a V8 at all?

2. have you guys also heard of power to weight and also REFINEMENT

3. General, ford do make a stock vehicle to beat the ss. heard of the typhoon? it is .1 of a sec off the GTS

4. yes i agree with the motorsports comments that holden whinge if they dont get their way. yes i am a big motor sport fan and i love the V8′s but i wouldnt dare draw comparisons between the track and road cars as they are all speced the same. yes the monaro 427′s were a great example of holdens win at all cost attitude. you can even remember back to when john bowe entered a mustang in the pro car series and after it wiped the field away in the first race they had to slow it down. eventually bowe pulled out cause he thought it was ridiculous. so how come if ford enters a stock vehicle that beats the field they have to slow it, yet holden is able to enter a fully race prepared/engineered monaro

ford has always been a better package by far until now. holden has only just caught up to ford in terms of handling and a few other things but still trail behind with 6cyl’s and transmissions with out a doubt
ford has not copied anything from holden either so i dont know why you say that. i mean i havent heard one valid statement here yet

When the ba came out everyone screamed it looked like a holden. When the ve came out everyone said it had styling cues from the ford. Now pictures of the orion have come out and now it looks like a ve. Is anyone else as confused as I am. Not pointing any fingers here but one of my mates who is a holden fan stated all of these to me within a period of 5 years. The point is that all car companies copy each other. Most designs which were new from scratch were a complete failure. Coff coff au for example. I am a ford fan by the way. So I think its fine that car companies use proven design concepts that we like in order to sell cars. A car company can be bold and take a leap in design but thats usually the quickest way to going backrupt. I will say that I think ford is a better car and will continue to improve and I will be a little less pig headed and thank holden for providing the competition to keep ford making better cars. So guys you can argue all you want but fuck its a long way until the orions realeased so find somethen better to fucking do with your time. “Holden fans and Ford”

Ford fans…dont waste your breath with logical factual arguements with the Holden wankers……it is not worth the effort. We all know that Orion will be a better car than VE as the BF is is the VE’s equal except for more modern sheetmetal………

My brother had a VE for a company car and it was on the back of a tow truck 3 times……..it was traded for a BF XR6…………much more refined he says the Bf is and he isnt really a car loving guy. Oh, and it hasnt been on a tow truck !!!!!!

Who cares about f6, bring on boss you can do it.

Micky & General=same person….

And to miss general mickey,stop being so negative you are not a happy person because ford makes a new car that will kill the gts.

holdens are just copy cats.

“Typhoon has only 351hp you idiot!!! not 600hp”

The Garret GT35 turbo in the Typhoon is capable of flowing 600hp you idiot, it does not mean it “HAS” 600hp fu-khead.

Ah yes General, you yourself (or is mikey really someone else?)said “The Typhoon with a 600hp turbo”, well weather or not the turbo can flow 600 Hp, the Typhoon does NOT have 600 Hp IDIOT, maybe if id DID have 600 hp then the argument would stand for the Holden PPl.

Rod,

Are you a complete fuck stick? I was praising both ford and holden. And no offence mate but you sound that dumb that i doubt your job would be paying you enough that you even would have an oportunity to buy a ford or holden… maybe if you get finance!!

The pictures that were in the Herald_Sun a couple of weeks ago of the New “Sport” versions of the Ford Orion look pretty good. They have a real aggresive look to them. It will be interestin to see what the real figures of power etc will be. I still believe that Ford have been working hard to reduce the weight of the new Orion. If Ford have reduces their Orion weight by say 100kg, this could reduce 0 to 100 km by a half second.

I was interested to read this Fridays Car section in the Herald-Sun about the new V6 and V8 engines that Ford will using in 2010-2011.

PS: Has anyone seen how many Holden cars finished the Bathurst 12 hour endure this Easter. Try NONE. What’s important about that. Maybe because they are road going cars that you and I can buy, not $1,000,000 toys that you can’t drive anywhere but the race track.

hey missile hows the stang?

hey general what ever way you look at it micky is wrong.
the typhoon isnt 600hp, and
if it were im sure it would easily find .1 of a sec.

and if you think it wouldnt you need a cold bucket of water thrown on you to wake you up and get yourself out of your one eyed holden world. ive got no problems with holden till people like you guys start talking that purely biased dribble.

oh yeah no comment on the fact that a $75k HSV cant beat a $45k commy either?

sory about that ford fans i love use so much i think im gay

Ford fans are cu-ts.

Hi Andrew,Tony .Pick the Stang up at 9.00 am now ,tomorrow morning. Drive to Morro Bay. A stop over at Hurst Castle. Will get some info and pics tomorrow. Time difference a challenge………its 11.40 PM Sunday.

So what did turn up at the 12 hour from the Red Army?

Had to laugh today were at a Trade Show here for work,supporting our first USA agent…..someone asked

” So where in Texas you guys from” ??? RIGHT…I sound like Dr Phil ….HAHAHA Cheers Lisa.

the ford gt = Horsepower 550.00 BHP (404.8 KW) @ 6500.00 RPM if u dont think this is true look it up general dick.

Dingo..go to a soccer match so someone can beat you up……………..

Picked up the Stang………….BUT !!!

It turned out to be 2006 model…only 335 hp not 450 of the 2007 model. What a day though,soooo much fun coming down the coast road. Have got heaps of shots,had a heads up on the traction control and how to turn it off. Hertz stick a paper clip system under the TCS switch to prevent you from switching it off. HAHAHA, got pics of the switch set up for you all to giggle at. Wish we had time to take it to the drags.

Have had a couple of signs where they give you notice of when the photo platform is on the road……one said 1/4 mile till next …..over a bridge the whole 1/4 mile. Lets go back and see what it does says hubby !!!!!!!! You time it!!!!! There is 20 people one side of the bridge watching us and more the other side….I am getting old clearly and said NOOOOOOO,your mad.

Back soon………with more.Story continues tomorrow,get into LA with more.Hubby wants to do some burn out pics………MMMMMMMMM have a spare saver on it already. LA tomorrow…..fly out LATE tomorrow night so hope to get Alborz full story late tomorrow night here.Fly into Melbourne on the 2.8.07 …another trade fair so hope to talk more on my arrival back in Perth on the 6.8.07.

Cheers
Lisa

PS Had a giggle Tony at the Bathurst Red Army attempt ! No wonder they want the VE here as all we have seen here is Stangs late model and RT Chargers….nothing cool from GM ! really…..!!!! Have seen a few Monaro’S though …3 !!!!!!!!

missile, sounds like a quick trip back on 2/8/07. ah i see why you got the stang now he he

tha front bumper looks crap but tha rest is good.

plenty of feeling then huh. yes im looking foward to this new ford..there is some childish goons on here isnt there…fords for ever

2007 Geiger Mustang GT 520
Year 2007
Make Ford
Model Mustang GT 520
Tuner Geiger
Engine Location Front
Drive Type Rear Wheel

Performance
0-60 mph 4.2 seconds.
Top Speed 287 km/h | 178.4 mph Similar top speeds

Engine
Engine Configuration V
Cylinders 8
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 5.20 L | 317.3 cu in. | 5200.5 cc.
Horsepower 520.00 HP (382.7 KW)
Torque 563.00 NM (415.1 Ft-Lbs) @ 4730.00 RPM
HP / Liter 100.0 BHP / Liter
Fuel Type Gasoline – Petrol
slap that bitch in the falcon

Bad news guys! Candid reports from the US say that ford management aren’t happy with Ford Australia. They don’t think the Orion will have the weight distribution or rigidity to compete with the rest of the market in terms of performance. It’s not all bad though because it is also rumoured that they are going to concentrate more on driver comfort and cabin noise. Sources say that Ford Australia will be the first to try out technology that reduces cabin noise to almost zero. A world 1st =) Try competing with that Holden and Toyota.

Women are crazy. Every chick I show these pics to thinks its ugly yet most guys think it looks sick. It’s like my dad said chicks don’t buy these cares n e way so who cares? As long as enough ppl buy them maybe Ford can reclaim some of its sales.

Well said Paul, I am also a mechanical engineer and have been heavily involved with race engineering. Holden have been wise with where they are spending their money.

Orion does look good though…

hey im a big ford fan (and i like to think unbiased too)
we would like to all hope the VE is better in handling since it is newer and they invested a lot of money in to it.
So PaulGTP, would you also say that until now the holden hasnt had anything to brag about in termns of what you have just said?
yep im sure ford will step up their build quality and it all starts with falling into line with no sheetmetal above the doors to attract euro markets. i actually didnt mind that as at least you dont get a window full of fingermarks from opening the door, but ah well.
my guess is the falcon will handle as well as the commy since all it might need is a bit of fine tuning and the good gear is already in it, unlike the holden who had to totally restructure to get the handling recognition they have gotten.
so ford will spend a little bit as to only match the commy in handling to shut people up and then i reckon they will do other big wow stuff like people have mentioned in 0 road noise for eg.
cause if ford handles a bit better than the commy it wont be a big thing in reviews now so they may aswell do other things to get people to notice.
the orion wont be about new chassis etc purely cause it doesnt really need it. it will be about refinement and innovation and they will be sure to throw at least 2 big wow factors in i betcha.
ford did it with the BA and i reckon they will do it again. just as other manufacturers catch up they go again with a leap to last 5 years

This car will suit the Bogans …. just look at some of the mindless insulting comments submitted here!

Me thinks the VE Kombidore is going to have a giant fight on its hands! Ford have built this to squash the VE Kombidore, and I bet it cost half the price to make! Looks pretty good, the engine is better then the Kombidore, front and back lights look particular much better (the kombidore looks odd a tad with big funny lights on back and side on it looks bizzare having huge rear wheel arches). Must admit it is still not bad, I love the look when in line with front door and you look at the front of the car!

Bondy could you please qualify this statement ?

What is your knowledge of GT falcons past and present?

i cant see how you can say over rated kw when people have put there cars on dynos straight from a fpv dealers and had 315 kw at the fly. who cares any way the fastest car ford/fpv aust have at the moment is the typhoon and thats going to be upgraded to 300kw and 575nm this thing will beat the gts in reverse

Hey andrewI am not knocking any of the codes, Gen III had piston skirt faults in their early production causing some to suck oil past the oil rings, up to 10,000 k,s and some emmitied a small enging knock, but mate have they got the VE worked out or what they are so well put together.Any how Ford are so very hard working on the look of the “new” line up and as news from head office they are still not 100% sure of what is to be released,big Kw output is still a pipe dream if it going to be fitted within the next 2 years,who knows? They hardly ever get the story straight,There has been talk of new cooling system inovation to try and stop the engines running to hot and cracking heads and warping cam journals(causes cams to wear rapidly or break) like they do now .Resale we go by Ford Aust recomendation taken against national sales figures across the line, top end GT, GT-P etc comp to SS, HSV are closer in comp, but not every one can afford topend we are talking bulk falcon, Holden,toyota,etc (toyota still is at the top,thats another story.)The ones you go shopping in& take the kids to school in.Go visit an auction house you wont find many 5 year old fords bringing good money compaired to a 5 year old commodore, a lot of auction houses wont even accept fords over 5years old unless they are v.low Km in near perfect cond and its mostly because of poor build quality(very poor seats and interior ).Ford use to build great fun cars with out much problem they were the fun days then some idiot designed the EA (which nearly destroyed ford) then they started to get back on track, then another idiot designed the AU and once again back to step one. They just seem to always seem to be in a rush to bring something out befor it is ready.
They had it right once, and let it go.

cheers and good talkin to you Andrew
Like I said every one should have their own opinion ,and this is mine wether I’m right or wrong
Bondy

Nup sorry mate it,s ultra white,but I wont say any more about it though he has already had Two attempts of some mongrels trying to pinch it over the last 18 mths,even killed two of his Rotti,s to get in the yard.
I,m not disheartened just get a bit embarressed sometimes to tell some one there $70,000 investment is a heap and the problems some people complain about arnt realy problems its how the car is, most people hate the way they handle(prety sloppy at speed) very nose heavy and unballanced under brakes.A lot of people spend over $5,000 on after market gear just to get them to handle the same as one of the new SS commodores.The BA-BF range (and I say the new range) have a bad problem of popping the lower balljoints and destroying control arm bushes at low k,s, terrible stress is put on the front susspention due to terrible set up, it is just going to be an on going problem for the vehicle owner to keep puttin his hand in his pocket.Some dont have the problem or dont know enough about cars to notice but a lot keep coming back with this problem.
Cheers Bondy.

By the way the torana concept looks like shit. its so fukn ugly, its a disgrace to the torana name. i like the old toranas and this concept looks so fukn ugly

Hey Bondy, While I do not dissagree with what you say about issues with Falcons etc, what about dealers in general. For my example, my brother in-law had a BA Mk2 turbo, when he picked it up from the dealer, 1 rear door missaligned, complained & dealer refused to even look at it. He had to complain directly to Ford. When he had to sell it due to finances, took it to a dealer for RWC, they wanted to charge $70 to adjust handbrake! Not to mention $550/tyre (which he left, got a quote from tyre shop down road & dealer would not match price!)

Then the said dealer replaced the fog lamps (warranty), ppl were comming the next afternoon to look at turbo, so he gave it a wash, when washing the fog lamp area, both fell out! So the dealer was called & they refused to fix (too busy), so he then told the dealer about the ppl coming & if he lost the sale he would be seeking legal advice, amazingly was told to “bring it in straight away!!”. My point is that although both Ford & GMH do not build “perfect” cars, I keep hearing horror dealer stories. You cannot just blame Ford, I can tell you HEAPS more Ford Dealer stories, I believe it to be a 50/50 problem.

sory about this but i just wanna find out the date today

the ve holden is junk

Well… after reading all your comments, I hear too much bagging on the AU ford, why???? I only applaud the ones that gave praise to the AU. I will tell you why I like the AU. For a start, its one of the most reliable cars ever, clocking up to 900,000ks before it needs a new engine, which is very good. Its as good as the EF & EL series, which replaced the shitty EA series. Now while some of you dont like the AU cos of its looks, I think its time people moved on from silly conservative times, today is today and if ford wants to design the way they did with the AU then let them, I just think people were silly to get all conservative about the AU, plummetting bloody sales! The AU is far by the best! Now, I understand why you may not like the ford – its the speed factor that holden holds and fine, fair enough, you want a car for speed, some of us want a car for reliability and comfort. Thats far much better than speedsters, because in my opinion and experience, holden cost WAY too much to repair and die after what… 300,000ks or less, unless the avid holden fan who owns a holden is prepared to be committed to a big budget to keep his/her holden car going and thats fair enough. But please stop bagging the AU!!!!! I dont know about the BA or BF but i dont like BA because it has a lot of reliability problems – drove one for 2 days as a loan car (and thats where I think maybe ford copied holden, making it more for speed than reliability grrrrr shame on you ford!) Hopefully ford will go back to their orginal way and produce cars meant for reliability as thats what they stand for, holden stands for speed. The orion might be ok if its reliable and doesnt cost too much to repair. Ok now dont go yelling at me, I’m just putting in my two cents worth. AU forever!!

And this one time…. in band camp!

(repeat to infinity)

MoFo FoMoCo

The AU Falcon is a great car. It is an extremely different looking car, but the last time I checked so was the VE Ute, and for some reason most morons like it. And I agree with both Gypsy and Andrew, the AU can be a very nice looking car… here’s a real good example, the T-Series, in particular the TS50 AUIII. Holden and HSV couldn’t compare to that, it took them 3 years to catch up with performace alone… I think it was last year that Holden only just caught up with Ford in every other aspect.

The way I see it, the Orion is a damn near perfect if not, then it is perfect. Judging by the specs, the amount of time Ford are taking to release it and the looks, it is going to do very well. I can still safely say that I will buying one.

Whoot! C’mon FORD!

Its great to see more of the AU lovers coming out in the end :) Jacob, mine’s an au fairmont too, I love her so much too. Its lovely to see people that actually see the good in the au ford and treasure these cars because a long way down the track in the future the au is probably going to make it into history as one of the most cosmetically advanced cars for its time (and also for the best & most reliable motor/engine too), and eventually these cars will probably become a wanted car as a used car and then placed as a vintage car in many places. I know I am going to keep my car and turn her into a vintage when the time comes in 15 – 20 or more years time. They will be valuable I can tell you that.

I also have an AU, bought it 2nd hand with blue cobra stripes over the top, nose to tail, and I’ve fitted aftermarket tail lights and headlights. (Not much for the stock headlights unless in XR form). It gets a lot of looks and I have people I don’t know ask me if it’s a special editon (the stripes).

Done over a 100,000 k’s and only prob I ever had was a leaking water pump replaced under warranty without any fuss.

A mate has an XR6 BF with the ZF-6 speed. What a fantastic box. We went for a spin up a windy mountain road and it stuck to the road like glue, always in the right gear.

I think the Orion (especially FPV’s with raccoon eyes) look great. I hope Ford don’t change it too much before release because I plan to buy one. (Probably will be the only new car I ever buy), I’m just undecided yet if it’ll be a F6 Typhoon or GT-P.

My AU will become the daily driver (time to retire the old EB on gas with 630,000 k’s on it, she will be missed).

Cheers Ford, for designing something I’d want to spend big bucks on just to own one.

I hope there will be a GT-HO thats supercharged to take on the 385kw HSV and have the GT-HO to be called Boss 390 and take out those…

Holden’s
Sh*t
Vehicles

come on some one be the 500th reply!!!!
oooops i think i just did it

Watto your right to turo or supercharge will be the only way to get the horse power that such a badge deserves so says Barrett as well,but dont think a V10 normally aspirated wont be the go either!

what happened to #502 missile??
hey ive always thought that the GTP should have a power boost over the GT aswell to make them a little more unique. the limited editions for sure have to have a booster though

limited eds need some sort of a booster cause the rate that power keeps going up the extra 20kws or whatever they might throw at a limited ed will be for sure eclipsed by the next model.
a booster means it is a bit more desirable/unique and only too easy to tweak it when you get even more power hungry

oh and coincidently my anti spam was faster

GT-P is already different to the GT by being the luxury version. GTHO should be the tyre shredding hi-po version.

As things stand now, “Missile”, “Andrew”, and “Me” what would you’s recommend? F6 or GT? I’m still undecided.

Yes and the fords are alot more Australian.

Yes and the fords are alot more Australian, but you don’t
here about that. they think all Fords are made in USA and
think all holdens are Australian…
BullSh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like VE has battery problembs already after Holden fans made fun of Ford with Territory battery problembs.

Hmmmmmm……doesnt look bad even tho i can see a lot of VE in it….like in the middle….good to see FORD has dropped the 5.4 litre V8…it came from the tuck range and it showed….cant wait for a new HP war with GM now they have a better V8

Hey guys I was just wondering how much grunt you would get out of a 3.5 litre Duratec engine with a superchager and turbo charger (alla VW Golf FSI).

This Ford is not gay, Anton!

I’m 520!!!

lol just fixing my name

Nicely done Holden Boy.

You must be one of the 10% (or is it 2% ?) of Holden fans who doesn’t just slag off Ford because it’s Ford. Appreciate that.

I always thought the VT was the best looking Commodore until the VE Calais and SS came out. Not sure about the ute tho, and the base models definitely look average with the small wheels.

As I said earlier, I hope the final FPV product isn’t much different from those CGI’s because I think they look awesome and will be buying one.

First time anyone like Holden Boy didn’t diss the The car because it’s a Ford.

Holden have lanched an ad with Skaifie in it, that is proof that Holden are going to make sure they win the Bathurst 1000. I hope i’m wrong though!

Ooops, you didn’t specifically say what model SS commodores you have. What models are they anyway?

missile they actually had 2 love children. the other is in nascar where he punts Ambrose off the track

the ad was about the SV & SS price reduced before bathurst.

Thanks Andrew.M. I’m leaning more to ‘Phoon now after reading up more about its potential. Thing is I’m gonna have this car for a LOOOOONG time I can see myself wanting to mod it (mildly) years later after the warranty runs out so it still matches whatever is new in the future.

Didn’t see the F1 but my brother tells me Webber was quicker than Hamilton while rain was falling, and thinks Webber had a good chance of winning before he was taken out under safety car >:-(

Haha, Crash Bandicoot and Handbag Murphy having a love child, that’s GOLD!!!

Year!!! will there be more information or at least more pics.

This must be the most popular comment site about the orion & pics 500+ comments!!!

No comment back from Cobra 302 about where he saw the Fairmont.

I think they’ll use the turbo six in the Fairmont insted of a SOHC V8, well I hope so anyway!

For the person named me, type in 2008 Fairmont where it says search on the top right hand side of the page and it will go to a list of sites. Click on the first one scroll down and there you have it.

It sounded you ment a pic of an uncoverd Orion, thats what it sounded like to me.

good on ya k dog, what are holden bringing out next? , a 32 litre? dont they know petrol prices are going up! I like the fact that ford is looking at technoligy rather than a huge noha’s arc with pushrods!

Why is the media going on about how expensive it is to have a V8, they say not to buy them, they say how good the VE is and go ‘WOW’ with the way it has a 6.0L V8, then they say ford is failling because their engines are too big.

Car story writers in the media say the Holdrolet’s V8 is good and a great Australian icon but they never say any thing about the way it’s not made here, and Ford to them is not Australian when they asemble their engines here and Holdrolet dosen’t.
They never say about the way the Ford V8 may be smaller then the Holdrolet V8 but not that far behind in power.

The media just wants people to think Holdrolet the only Australian car…
BULLSH!T!

I hope you are right with the no noice. If the body does have less wait then VE daewoo and more power then it sould kick its ass bigtime. With better power to wait ratio, new front end suspension setup, tuned rear end, Delfon suspension kits(which are said to stiffen the ride and give a better ride quality) and better equipement, then it will feel like we are in 2002/2003 again, except ford will win Bathurst and Championship!!! Go Lowndsey and Whincup. Cant wait to see new Cobra.

holden are tight arses! Its about time they spent some money! In the past ford has literly spent twice as mush on the falcon than holden. Have holden made leather standard on calais yet? Its been standard in ghia since the EB! I know the VE berlina has standard cloth! Falcon XT has velouer standard! I’ve noticed the VE dont have hinges in the boot anymore, wow holden, you Have come a long way! Holden are tight arses!

I noticed so many people writing about 300+kw and 550+nm and how the Commodore SS is so great because it has a 6 litre motor and Ford is behaing the 8 ball because it only has a 5.4 litre and the Commodore does a 0 to 100km in around 5.5 seconds etc etc etc.

When you get a chance have a look a the Audi sight and their SUV. Try 6 litres of engine, 383kw and 1000nm 5.5 seconds from 0 to 100km and 11.9 litres/100km.

I know it’s a diesel, but I think it’s time that some of you guys moved out of your comfort zone and realised that the big grunt is going to come from the diesels followed by diesel-hybrids.

Unless we replace petrol with ethanol the days of high output petrol engines are nearly over.

And in my moment of ranting and raving I wonder if that is why Ford Australia is looking more to Europe than to America in its future development etc.

Bavarian Missile Says: They do use better diesel than we do, but they also have better petrol than we do. Friends of my that have diesel cars recon they don’t smell and they seem to have a particle filter in the exhaust system that stops the nasties from getting out.

Andrew M Says: A mate of mine told me that LPG loves high compression so I recon that a turbo LPG with the right chip would really hammer.

Right on Tony M,

mate ive also been told with LPG you dont need to decompress the motor like you do with a petrol motor.
couple that with an injected LPG system (the setup that the orion will have) and i would comfortably say that an LPG turbo would actually have the petrol motor beat in terms of power.

how good would it be to have the fastest production car in OZ (like the typhoon will be) yet running at half the cost!!!
and how great would it be for ford to actually be a manufacturer to produce a car thats better for the enviro and wave good by to fuel costs AND ACTUALLY HAVE STREET CRED OR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO DRIVE ONE.

LPG is also 110 RON ive been told

come on ford you can do it and you are the only manufacturer that is remotely close to doing it

Klink,
i think the reason for have held off with the LPG range (in territory etc) is because they were waiting for their new injected gas version to come online.

now the orion will have injected lets hope they dont hold back

oh and hey how did you get back on here???? he he he

watto,
i know they were planning to have it in at the start of ’04 i think and then the legal stuff tangled it up.
i have only heard the rumours and reasonably assume that they will have it ready for orion.
if they do i think it will be big for them

sshhhhh
dont tell paul the E-gas went round australia for $1000 because if toyota paul see’s it he will say the corolla would do it for $600

yes but agree ford are hopeless at marketing. whats the point of doing a round the world trip if they are not going to drum into people what they achieved. all they did after it was auctioned off the bonnet for charity. that was their chance to hit out and dispell the myths that you need a small car to cut fuel costs

i wonder how much kws

i hope its more than holden

hope about 320kw would be good

its the best ford design so far can’t wait to se the holdens face

Got an ad/newsletter from Heffernan Ford in Wangaratta in the mail today. The dealer principle, John McIlroy, says……..

QUOTE=”Another thing we are keenly awaiting is the New Falcon. Ford has already told me to reserve the 15th of February 2008 as the day the car will be unveiled to the dealers. From all reports this will be THE car worth waiting for.”

I’m getting too exited, I got out of my chair and jumped!!!

If the Cobra sold like HotCakes, these Orion FPVs with a GT 320kw and F6 6 secconds faster than current ones, we going for a BOOM in sales! I really want a 2008 Ford Falcon!

(in the back ground) “I want to see it, NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!”

excuse the whinge I still couldn’t buy a Toyota. Something just snaps at the thought of a world dominated by blandness!! Can’t wait to see the new Falcon ute also!

realcars, well said.
The raccoon eyes are allright to me because it’s more colourfull than the HSV.

Yes Travis, Holden fans are F***heads and wanted someone to get rid of his ford. I tell those Holdenwoo arseholes that I’ll never buy a Holden because they stands for…
H-olden O-wners L-ick D-ick E-very N-ight
WHO WHOULD WANT TO OWN THAT THEN?

…Oh i’m sick off waiting!

This has to be the BIGGEST SHOCK i have ever had since the time is saw an airbrush art work painted under the cockpit window of a Virgin Blue Jet.

Wow I saw the other news and 320kw for Boss 5.4 and 300kw for the turbo six. The racoon eyes are the best i’ve ever seen from FPV! When the VE dunnydore came out, it seemed almost like Ford fogot about there fans, but untill now…

Who will get 600th post?

Was that the silly Football(NFL) head that made that post on November 8th, 2007 @ 12:34 am? Because he went on about under the car been the same as older models.

How does a car’s floor plan affect the whole car and make it bad because of when that style came out?

Happened to me before too and a lot of others….ignore them they will go back to school Monday!

You can be 600 !

This must be 598 I have.

Would anyone say we have not seen a single FPV (camoflaged or otherwise) in any spyshots?

In march lol

My name is back to Me. …
“It looks good. The Holden VE is no more flasher than the
old EB Falcon GT. This is the best FPV ever!” That was my first post.

40 years of GT High Performance Falcons and soon 50 years of standard falcons, no other aussie made car company has come close to matching FORD australia. Holden thought good idea lets make a car also like Ford did and copy them. XYGTHO Phase IV Falcon was the fastest 4 door sedan in the world back in the 70s. What did holden (oldhen)have a pimple dick of a car called a torana and Monaro. It took holden (oldhen) over 30 years to make 300kw engine. Again they had to slow the Fords down again because they where far superior in technology again. Ford is mauling Holden in the V8 supercar championships (Ford 20 championships wins Holden only 14). No wonder Graig Lowndes drives a Ford cause hes a living legend like other Ford drivers.
The new orion falcon will be the best car thats ever been built by an aussie manufacturer. All other imports like Holden, Nissan, Toyota will continue on copying Ford cause Ford started it all of. Orion will be king of the aussie made car in 2008. I cant wait bring it on Ford again and shame em all again.

The ford falcon looks fine and im sure they will make most of there engine unlike the 307 R8 i mean its a 6L V8

I THINK THIS CAR IS SOOOO HOT!!

Dont forget that HSV is a UK brand not aussie. Falcon is more aussie than commodore.

So all you people in here allready know what the new 2008 Falcon is gonna be like. Keep guessing and dreaming everybody, wait till its on the streets and once you have driven it then you can say all you want. Does anybody actually have any true facts about the new falcon???

Ford were just expermenting with the CGIs to see what all the Ford workers think, it’s not likey they will have the racoon eyes.

Seen the new Falcon today driving along Horseshoebend Road, Torquay at about 1030am. There where two cars following it and one in front of it. Its a great way to get everybodys attention as it did for me. Great camoflauge they use on it but the FORD badges stood out. I bet they be takin it on the Great Ocean road to give it a good run.

^^^I love your fantastic attitude!

They look o’rite ‘ey

Love it Ford man with attitude!!! But remember kids do read this to so blank out all the f**ks n c*nts n things like that. Still funny as though!!!

Hard to tell AndrewM

Yesterday I saw sedan driving towards me about 5 ks from home,that was unexpected.

Have seen A UTE too with a car-bra on it like ours last weekend. Thats it though!

Wow it’s so BA, why bother?

Remember WoW that BA won COTY. BA is still a great platform. Commodores changes weren’t wholesale from VT to VZ either.

There will be so many differences in this car it will only “slightly resemble” a BA. This is evident despite the great camo on all the spyshots.

Doni, you have brains. Smart man!!! I couldnt agree more.

I know that most Orions drive on the street in convoys, that’s what my sister told me when she went to VIC.

ve is ugly good job ford well done cant wait go the boss.

I’d say because Falcon blogs are most popular .eg. This one has 636 posts. 2008 Ford Falcon Orion Interior and GT Exposed has 454 posts. Most of the others are well over 200.

Matthew, You claim “Orion = AU = Failure” because of the floorpan. Well did you know how succesfull the BA was? And BTW what platform was the BA on? …It was the AU.

So we bedda watch idiots like you when this car comes out when you keep saying it’s a failure because Ford didn’t spend a billion dollars like the VE and old floor, etc. When you don’t say why it affects how the car is in any way whatsoever.

Yeah, I like the racoon eyes. I just can’t wait to see a real picture of one as they will realy stand out on the road. I also hope they keep the stripe package – Or there will be no point in the name “GT”

The V8 got to be 320+KW & 570NM. And F6 300+KW & 600NM! Because I herd news FPV were having trouble with 310KW, which sounds like a bit of B-S to me. The DJR 320 werent supercharged were they? If they werent, 320kw would be no worries.

But I can’t wait to see them!

HA HA, I cant understand your comment…Bavarian……Missile…FPV need to do the same treatment the after market mob do to get their Falcon V8s over 320KW. As you know they get them over 320KW without supercharging them – that’s what FPV should do!

This is the beast mobile of cars, Fords been doing it tough lately and as much as I’d hate to see the i6 go i think its for the best.

I agree, It’s a shame about the out-going of the lovely straight 6! But don’t worry guys, the Duratec V6 can create alot of power when turbo charged! A 3.0L version was used in a Nobel with twin turbos and had 317KW. So if the same treatment is done with a 3.5L, it’ll be a killer, I love to see that in a Falcon!

It is just another Taxi. That is about all Holdens & Fords are good for.
No wonder they banned the Nisan GTR from racing against these old fashioned slammers. The V8 series what a joke.A ford taxi versus a holden taxi is more like it. Nissan & BMW would still be beating them today if they where allowed to race.

I am actually a person that doesnt really like ford, but i have got to say this looks quite decent!

Gee Oz……….don’t you have email??????

I sent you a PM on the Forum!

Im not getting into this argument!

Having to much fun on the Forum where there is no bitching! A nice change!

im a holden fan, but dont hold that agenst me. i must say those gt’s look realy flash, but i reckon that the ba/bf gt’s look better, just wat i think any way

^Your right there, Rod Barrett has made some personal changes to it. so we yet for a suprise.

Looks sick. Holden are gonna have trouble beating this baby!

as for the door handles have a look at the territory its not from the comm.
co the new falcon
Harold

Holden comodore is doomed here in aus. There sellin em over in usa as pontiacs. Large car sales are slowly evaporating cause everybody is buying small fuel efficient cars here. Ford falcon will be still badged as a Ford falcon in USA and always use Ford parts on em. Commodore is doomed . No wonder commodre will slowly fade away cause yanks have never heard of a commodore only Pontiacs. HAHAHAHAH to holden . Remember its always the badge on the car that people always look for not wat they think a car really is and where it comes from. GO FORD 2008 ORION doing much better than GM or holden or watever brand of car that is..

OMG!!! I saw the first Falcon commercial for a year or 2. It was the runout Falcon SR.

Love the new orion falcon, this falcon will be a great car all round, looks like it means business. By looking at these pics above, its good to see they haven’t gone with the rediculous looking flared guards the ve commodore has! 205kWs in the base falcons and talks of 320kWs in the new gt’s too! maybe a blown HO….?? ooww YEAH! GO FALCON!!!

Hey OZ here is that post we went head to head before….

I know and he left…..so why come back!

I agree with most comments in that yes commodore have copied the european look and ford have always tried to keep that typical aussie look. On the design , no one has seem to mention the aerodynamics of the new design which seems to be getting away from that box look and what with commodores 1 billion dollar car it looks like holden are turning in that direction. In comparison the new ford definitly looks stylish compared to the overgrown look of the commodore (sorry BRICK on wheels)

Tony, you are the man. im black but I aint no Abo you loser. but i agree that all abos drive fords and holdens. i dont care, i just wana bang all their white chicks

Hi I’m Anton i don’t hate fords like ME. said i don’t like them i don’t hate them just dislike infact i think that ford has done a good job of designing the new ford

so as you can see Me. was wrong and is a lier and can not be trusted and likes picking on kids