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So – Corolla or Mazda 3. Somehow the Mazda 3 looks boring inside and isn’t that comfortable. The one I like is an SP23 but that’s too gas guzzling for me…

My current car is a 2003 Echo (the cute one not the ugly one) and it’s great so maybe I’ll just go the Corolla this year. Should I wait for DSC? It’s rumoured to be selling from this yer but all the dealers are playing dumb cos they want to sell all the old stock first…

Any advice boys?

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as for sales what im geting at is what hendrik said in the mazda3 being the highest in private sales. and then i related that back to what you always say that it is the private sales that mean something. and also note that its competitors are not sold every where in the world. a lot international sales would be in asian countries. they like to buy there own stuff there (and prob fair enough) and dont forget the places where focus sells it ranks high… for eg Europe its #1 in sales. oh see you skipped over the #1 safety rating for the focus too.
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“The Commodore has only been number one because it sells 80% to fleets, Ive already gone over this…” so that means the rolla is not #1 now either cause of the higher private sales from mazda3

ok time to agree with you now. the fiesta is prob percieved as a chix/daughters car and the rolla as a grandmas car. now give me your daughter any day.

and paul what are you the rolla police? does toyota pay you to defend their products. the way you defend your toyotas weather it be the rice burning 4cyl’s or the ever so ugly dont want to be seen in one people movers, to me proves you are a little bit one eyed. yes they may be a good product, but you need to lighten up and accept some aspects that might not be up to scratch in terms of toyota, and the reason you should accept the cons of toyota is because you are soooo quick to jump down on every other manufacturer particullarly when ford or holden is involved.

In relation to XR4:
There is a difference, the Corolla is a car that goes from A to Z, people DONT CARE about what it looks like, they just want a reliable car. At the end of the day, its just another car which blends in with the crowd and no-one really notices. The XR4 on the other hand is being marketed as some performance car and it looks like a chix car. Simple as that. And your also confused, I would say something like a Yaris is abit of a chix car… which I think is more comparable to the XR4 while the Corolla is comparable to the Focus… which I dont regard as a chix car, its in the same category as the Corolla in that its more neutral (and indeed one of my friends has a Focus). So no Im not FOS or completely biased, Im stating facts on this one, the Corolla is a decent car and hardly perceived as being a chix car… if anything its more seen to be an older drivers car.

In relation to sales:
Im not quite sure what you are talking about fleets etc? The Corolla sells the most overall, the most in private sales and is third in fleets. The Commodore has only been number one because it sells 80% to fleets, Ive already gone over this… prviate sales are a better indication of a quality vehicle as these people use THEIR OWN money and want THE BEST car available in terms of features, quality, reliability etc. Nevertheless the Corolla is an international car which has had and continues to have international success, you want to have a go at it for whatever reason (this applies to everyone)… then do so at your own embarressment.

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As for Focus talk as Dingo just highlighted, I believe from memory the Focus was number 1 or close to number 1 as the WORST car in terms of reliability within the first coupla of months of sale. Sure it looks good, but its quality is questionable… and I also think its interior plastics are abit cheap. On top of this, and backing up the reliability survey, my friends Focus has had issues when downshifting. So Im far from impressed about the Focus (Although it is the best looking for mine in that sector)

Looks/feels like any other Commodore.

“But once you only count privates sales (ie people who looked for THE best car for their own hard earned cash) the Corolla is first and the Commodore doesnt even list in the top 5!”

Hendrik,
yes i agree the focus and golf are prob a better car. well certainly on looks. maybe the base mod golf looks a little like the rest but the higher spec models do look quite alright. best looking pov pac mod is the focus.
ill be honest i can only judge the golf on looks and the reviews it is getting and by the sounds of that itsquite good in more than looks.
and i reckon if the focus has been here as long as the rolla well it would be the higher seller. you only need to look to europe where it is their highest seller.

Of course car sales figures are important, we all hope the local industry stays alive but in the end, i honestly don’t give a sh*t about the new Corolla because it will never be as good as a Focus or Golf.

your general over view of these cars in relation to the XR4 postings was it was pathetic to dress a car up to be sporty that wasnt a sports car and you also said no male would buy it

do you want me to copy some direct “QUOTES” for you???

i also would be careful what you say when you say “the corolla is the most popular for a reason” because we all know the holden commodore was the “most popular” for a long time and with that i bet you would be quick to point out there was no great reason why the commy was #1.

The long standing reputation that the Corolla has established for itself is probably why it is still so successful in Oz. Besides, do you really want the Corolla to sell anymore units because that would only add greater strain on the other car companies trying to maintain viability in Australia. Admittedly, i do wonder how the Corolla would have sold as an Auris.

Unique is a Aston Martin, Nissan GTR Godzilla, an AMG, phase3 351 GT-HO or even the upcoming IS-F or LF-A. Certainly not any Holden.

And that is MR Dingbat to you… !!

I dunno, this isnt 100% Toyota bias speaking but my friends have car shopped and mentioned Corollas as options and not cared. In the small car segment there aernt many cool cars anyway, can hardly brag when your car does the 100 in double figures, you just want something thats going to keep ticking over.

QUOTE = And Paul stop crapping on about how much Toyota sell blah blah blah.
Ill tell you whats a Unique car HSV E-Series Maloo… worth about a thousand corollas put together and guess what Paul they might not sell a million but who gives a toss because that car is UNIQUE

They are the most popular car, putting your fluff that its a crap design to rest. As for your Maloo HAHAHA your a joke, I am not a fan of any of these ute ‘perfomance cars’, anyone with half a brain when designing a car would think… ok Ive got 300kw and 55Nm of torque in a rear wheel drive car…. lets shove that in a ute… with weight distribution of 90:10 (exaggeration). No weight over drive wheels, enjoy seeing the traction control light flicker all the way up to 100km/h.