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		<title>By: Richard Heyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Heyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current Holden Barina(KA) is not the same model as its European counterpart. We(sadly) get the Korean sourced model instead of the current Opel/Vauxhall Corsa so the comparisons for this car are incorrect. The last European-sourced Barina was the XC which has a far higher level of safety equipment than the KA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current Holden Barina(KA) is not the same model as its European counterpart. We(sadly) get the Korean sourced model instead of the current Opel/Vauxhall Corsa so the comparisons for this car are incorrect. The last European-sourced Barina was the XC which has a far higher level of safety equipment than the KA.</p>
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		<title>By: Josip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that ESP should be standard in Australian cars as they are overseas but its not as simple as just bolting them on. Different conditions on different continents require investments by the manufacturer to calibrate the systems to work effectivly under our conditions such as dirt, corse bitumen etc. Considering that the Australian market represents only a small share of the total world market you can see why these systems aren&#039;t offered in our cheap cars. Nick was spot on in his comments that small car buyers a price conscience as I am a new car salesperson. After I educate and explain the crucial benifits of ESP to the customer that would rather spend the extra dollars on alloy wheels, spoilers etc. 
Its a classic case of Australian consumers wanting to have their cake and eat it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that ESP should be standard in Australian cars as they are overseas but its not as simple as just bolting them on. Different conditions on different continents require investments by the manufacturer to calibrate the systems to work effectivly under our conditions such as dirt, corse bitumen etc. Considering that the Australian market represents only a small share of the total world market you can see why these systems aren&#8217;t offered in our cheap cars. Nick was spot on in his comments that small car buyers a price conscience as I am a new car salesperson. After I educate and explain the crucial benifits of ESP to the customer that would rather spend the extra dollars on alloy wheels, spoilers etc.<br />
Its a classic case of Australian consumers wanting to have their cake and eat it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s odd about the Mazda 6, because the 3 has DSC as an option of every model. However that being said, fewer than 5% actually get their 3 with DSC. 

My parents bought another Mazda 3 and were going to opt for DSC, after I explained the importance of this safety feature. But in the end they would have had to wait a lot longer for their car, due to the low demand.

But atleast the two 3s they do have, both have 6 airbags fitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s odd about the Mazda 6, because the 3 has DSC as an option of every model. However that being said, fewer than 5% actually get their 3 with DSC. </p>
<p>My parents bought another Mazda 3 and were going to opt for DSC, after I explained the importance of this safety feature. But in the end they would have had to wait a lot longer for their car, due to the low demand.</p>
<p>But atleast the two 3s they do have, both have 6 airbags fitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3773/australian-motorists-deprived-of-safety-technology/#comment-19096</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, Volvo may be safer to drive, but I could not say the same about their build quality and servicing(poor attitude + outrageous expensive parts) from my previous experience(850).

Car manufacturer definitely should take most blames.  A lot of them divide their products to base model and luxury model where most safety features are only included in higher model.   

Take Mazda 6 for example, a great car to drive, the base model does come with 6 airbags, but it does not include Brake Assist, DSC, traction control, not even as options.  They only appear in luxury model with price hike of 10K.  Consumers are forced to buy these safety features with other junk like sunroof, leather seats which most people don&#039;t need.  

Also, another safety technology such as Rear Reversing Camera(not the useless sensor one) should be included in large car and 4WD vehicle.  This is an inexpensive equipment    that could save lives too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, Volvo may be safer to drive, but I could not say the same about their build quality and servicing(poor attitude + outrageous expensive parts) from my previous experience(850).</p>
<p>Car manufacturer definitely should take most blames.  A lot of them divide their products to base model and luxury model where most safety features are only included in higher model.   </p>
<p>Take Mazda 6 for example, a great car to drive, the base model does come with 6 airbags, but it does not include Brake Assist, DSC, traction control, not even as options.  They only appear in luxury model with price hike of 10K.  Consumers are forced to buy these safety features with other junk like sunroof, leather seats which most people don&#8217;t need.  </p>
<p>Also, another safety technology such as Rear Reversing Camera(not the useless sensor one) should be included in large car and 4WD vehicle.  This is an inexpensive equipment    that could save lives too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the Mitsu Colt? In Aus, Side &amp; Curtain airbags are an option on all models for about $1200 as I recall and the Ralliart gets them and ESC as standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the Mitsu Colt? In Aus, Side &amp; Curtain airbags are an option on all models for about $1200 as I recall and the Ralliart gets them and ESC as standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3773/australian-motorists-deprived-of-safety-technology/#comment-19072</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree guys.  An attempt at education on the benefits of ESP was probably why Bosch had a stand at the Sydney Motor Show two years ago, handing out DVD&#039;s which demonstrated what ESP is and does.  But it will be a long haul.

Of course, from a safety perspective, a second hand Volvo/Merc/Saab is often a safer purchase than a new [insert brand] car for the same $.

But let&#039;s keep that secret to ourselves or the price of second hand safe cars will increase :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree guys.  An attempt at education on the benefits of ESP was probably why Bosch had a stand at the Sydney Motor Show two years ago, handing out DVD&#8217;s which demonstrated what ESP is and does.  But it will be a long haul.</p>
<p>Of course, from a safety perspective, a second hand Volvo/Merc/Saab is often a safer purchase than a new [insert brand] car for the same $.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s keep that secret to ourselves or the price of second hand safe cars will increase :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We consumers in general are to blame for many features missing in our small cars. Unfortunately these safety features cost money, and the average Joe Public is very cost-concious when it comes to buying a new car (esp. small ones). People also like to &quot;see&quot; where their money is going. It&#039;s easier to spend $25000 on a medium-sized car than $20000 on a small one as people think there is &quot;more metal for the money&quot;.

I think it basically comes down to education. If people don&#039;t know about the benefits of ESP etc. they won&#039;t demand them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We consumers in general are to blame for many features missing in our small cars. Unfortunately these safety features cost money, and the average Joe Public is very cost-concious when it comes to buying a new car (esp. small ones). People also like to &#8220;see&#8221; where their money is going. It&#8217;s easier to spend $25000 on a medium-sized car than $20000 on a small one as people think there is &#8220;more metal for the money&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think it basically comes down to education. If people don&#8217;t know about the benefits of ESP etc. they won&#8217;t demand them.</p>
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		<title>By: alborz</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/3773/australian-motorists-deprived-of-safety-technology/#comment-19068</link>
		<dc:creator>alborz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, I have to admit, the new Volvo range, specially the C30, are starting to look better than offerings from BMW and the like.

But despite what you said, many buyers do not understand the need for ESP and extra airbags, my folks recently asked me to come along to help them buy a new car, and it took me hours of arguing for them to realize the extra $750 for a safety pack for side n curtain airbags in the Corolla was a necessity. 

And despite my best attempts to steer them towards a Mazda 3, which has ESP, the Toyota badge had won their dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, I have to admit, the new Volvo range, specially the C30, are starting to look better than offerings from BMW and the like.</p>
<p>But despite what you said, many buyers do not understand the need for ESP and extra airbags, my folks recently asked me to come along to help them buy a new car, and it took me hours of arguing for them to realize the extra $750 for a safety pack for side n curtain airbags in the Corolla was a necessity. </p>
<p>And despite my best attempts to steer them towards a Mazda 3, which has ESP, the Toyota badge had won their dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Safety has been number one on what I look for in a car since I bought my first Volvo in 1992.  Note this is before &quot;safety&quot; became a trendy marketing icon.  (My wife and 3 daughters survived an accident where that Volvo was hit by three other cars, walking out with only seatbelt bruises).

I agree with the idea behind this article, but the bottom line is, if people are serious about safety, then they will buy the safest car they can afford.  Even if it looks like a box (Volvo).

Given that sorta obvious statement, who cares if importers bring in tinny, de-specced cars?  Smart consumers will simply vote with their wallets and poor cars will not sell!  The importers will figure it out eventually, one would think?

After two Volvos I am now on my third Mercedes A Class.  Since 1999 they have had four airbags, ABS, Brake assist, traction control, ESP as standard.  That&#039;s right, Mercedes *invented* all those items.  Safety first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safety has been number one on what I look for in a car since I bought my first Volvo in 1992.  Note this is before &#8220;safety&#8221; became a trendy marketing icon.  (My wife and 3 daughters survived an accident where that Volvo was hit by three other cars, walking out with only seatbelt bruises).</p>
<p>I agree with the idea behind this article, but the bottom line is, if people are serious about safety, then they will buy the safest car they can afford.  Even if it looks like a box (Volvo).</p>
<p>Given that sorta obvious statement, who cares if importers bring in tinny, de-specced cars?  Smart consumers will simply vote with their wallets and poor cars will not sell!  The importers will figure it out eventually, one would think?</p>
<p>After two Volvos I am now on my third Mercedes A Class.  Since 1999 they have had four airbags, ABS, Brake assist, traction control, ESP as standard.  That&#8217;s right, Mercedes *invented* all those items.  Safety first.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally someone has spoken but about this. Vehicles like the Corolla are the most popular selling vehicles sold in Australia, yet car companies find crash-avoiding systems such as ESP, is something that will evenutally be fitted. Not good enough. What makes Australia any different from other countries that our safety isnt as important.

No matter how good of a driver we are, there are plenty of idiots of the road that could involve us in a life-threatening crash, completely against our control. Companies adding extra airbags and safety devices could make that threatening crash, a lot less threatening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally someone has spoken but about this. Vehicles like the Corolla are the most popular selling vehicles sold in Australia, yet car companies find crash-avoiding systems such as ESP, is something that will evenutally be fitted. Not good enough. What makes Australia any different from other countries that our safety isnt as important.</p>
<p>No matter how good of a driver we are, there are plenty of idiots of the road that could involve us in a life-threatening crash, completely against our control. Companies adding extra airbags and safety devices could make that threatening crash, a lot less threatening.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always said this was rotten. I always look at Euro and other sites of car manufacturers to see what we miss out on. Plus when watching shows like Top Gear and 5th Gear, you see little s#!t boxes with all the goods, and you compare it to the same model here and get depressed. Knowing well and truly that you&#039;re getting the short end of the stick no matter what car you look at.

It disappoints me... and more so when you think of the safety and when you literally think of how little these systems would cost to implement over the 100,000&#039;s of cars that run off the production line. I&#039;d happy pay a little more for a car that came with all of this stuff standard, leaving me enough money to buy those weather shields, sun visors, floor mats and headlight protectors. :)

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always said this was rotten. I always look at Euro and other sites of car manufacturers to see what we miss out on. Plus when watching shows like Top Gear and 5th Gear, you see little s#!t boxes with all the goods, and you compare it to the same model here and get depressed. Knowing well and truly that you&#8217;re getting the short end of the stick no matter what car you look at.</p>
<p>It disappoints me&#8230; and more so when you think of the safety and when you literally think of how little these systems would cost to implement over the 100,000&#8217;s of cars that run off the production line. I&#8217;d happy pay a little more for a car that came with all of this stuff standard, leaving me enough money to buy those weather shields, sun visors, floor mats and headlight protectors. :)</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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