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Holden Commodore – new engines, same look

By David Twomey |

GM Holden’s revised Commodore large car will bring new fuel efficiency under a skin that is virtually unchanged from the present car, except for the badge on the boot.

When CarAdvice saw outgoing Holden chairman and managing director Mark Reuss pull the covers off the new Commodore at the Holden Engine operations plant in Melbourne’s Fishermans Bend this morning we were hard pressed to notice the difference.

Perhaps a small embellishment on the centre grille and a slightly different lower radiator opening on the Omega sedan and, of course, SIDI badges on the front guards, were the only clues to what lay beneath.

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It’s in the engine bay that the major changes lie, with the introduction from September of 3.0-litre and 3.6-litre Spark Ignition Direct Injection (SIDI) V6 engines, coupled to six-speed automatic transmissions.

The new Model Year 10 (MY10) cars will offer virtually unchanged pricing from the current cars, with only the Omega and Berlina models receiving a $700 increase to the recommended retail price.

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The Commodore Omega uses just 9.3 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres in the official ADR81/02 test, an improvement of up to 13 per cent over current models, which makes it more efficient than some major four-cylinder competitors.

Mr Reuss said that at 9.3 litres, a motorist travelling 20,000 kilometres could save $325 at a current indicative price of $1.25 a litre for 91RON fuel.

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He said that travel would also produce 600 kilograms less carbon emissions. A fleet user travelling 40,000 kilometres could save $650 and 1.3 tonnes of CO2.

Mr Reuss said that Holden had driven the new 3.0-litre car from Melbourne to Sydney on one tank of fuel and had actually averaged 7.4L/100km during the trip.

He also said this would be achieved through the use of SIDI, which he described as state-of-the-art technology, and a first for an Australian built car.

Mr Reuss said Holden had concentrated on the powertrain revisions rather than trying to produce a redesigned Commodore.

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Defending the current design as still highly desirable, despite being three years old, he said a revamped Commodore would happen but added “I’m not about to tell you when.”

Mr Reuss said there would be continual revisions to the Commodore to constantly make it better.

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The all-new 3.0-litre engine, the smallest Commodore engine offered to buyers in more than 20 years, and the familiar 3.6-litre displacement will be offered, depending on model.

The changes will be effective across the petrol sedan and Sportwagon range, as well as the SV6 Ute and the Statesman and Caprice long-wheelbase variants.

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The engines are the centrepieces of a model year upgrade with fuel efficiency, lower running costs and consumer requirements firmly in mind.

Along with the new engines will come the new six-speed transmission, which will be sourced from two GM plants overseas, and weight savings, including 10 kilograms that has been pared from the engine, plus low rolling resistance tyres.

Mr Reuss said the introduction of the new engine technology would help Commodore to extend its 13-year reign as Australia’s favourite car.

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“People are telling us they want lower operating costs while keeping the flexibility of the Commodore’s size, so that is exactly what we are offering,” Mr Reuss said.

“Direct injection technology is a major step forward for the Australian car industry. It places a more refined Commodore amongst four cylinder competitors while delivering the space and flexibility, which Australian car buyers clearly want.

“Australians and Australian families aren’t getting any smaller, distances aren’t getting any closer but customer expectations in terms of fuel efficiency and environmental impacts are changing fast.

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“Holden understands that and this new technology is our response. It exploits the technology potential of an advanced, all-alloy engine made right here in Australia and makes it available to Australian car buyers,” Mr Reuss said.

Both V6 engines will be produced at Holden’s Fisherman’s Bend plant and shipped to the assembly plant at Elizabeth in South Australia.

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The 3.6-litre SIDI engine improves fuel economy in the premium models from seven to 13 per cent. Calais boasts a 12 per cent improvement with fuel economy dropping from 11.2 to 9.9L/100km on the ADR81/02 test cycle.

In contrast to their more frugal nature the engines will boast a power increase. The 3.0-litre has increased output of 190kW from the 175kW of the previous engine, while the 3.6-litre is up from 195kW to 210kW.

In other guises this engine makes up to 225kW but it is possible that Holden decided to detune the engine to ensure that P-plate drivers were not excluded from using the vehicle.

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For nomenclature enthusiasts we can tell you that the 3.0-litre V6 is called LF1 and the 3.6-litre LLT, while the six-speed automatic is codenamed 6L50.

At the announcement this morning the Federal Minister for industry and innovation, Senator Kim Carr, came out in defence of the Australian large car.

“People want a car that can hold the kids and the shopping at the same time,” Senator Carr said, adding; “They want economy but they want power.”

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He said the Australian automotive industry was grappling with very tough times by getting smarter and more sustainable, but could not be expected to turn green overnight, especially in a recession.

“However, these are very significant gains and they are being achieved by redesigning and rethinking existing technologies. It enables us to reduce the carbon footprint right here right now,” Senator Carr said.

While the 3.0-litre V6 is very obviously aimed at the business end of the car sales market, many fleets now have rules only allowing four-cylinder cars.

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Mr Reuss said he and his sales team would be spending a lot of time with government and business fleet buyers to explain to them the whole-of life cost benefits of considering the new fuel efficient Commodore.

Senator Carr also defended the Commodore saying that he would be encouraging government to put a consideration for buying Australian first, where possible.

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Commodore remains Australia’s top selling sedan, but has been under increasing pressure from Mazda3 and the Toyota Corolla as private buyers, in particular, move to smaller cars.

Holden has also become locked into a fuel efficiency race with its major rivals.

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Toyota recently announced new efficiency figures for its four-cylinder Camry, and plans to build a Camry hybrid next year, while Ford has announced that it will fit the highly fuel efficient EcoBoost turbocharged four-cylinder to the Falcon from 2011.


 
  • Dude

    Agree… Still looking great even after 3 years

  • Shak

    I wanna see a picture of the slightly different lower grille. If thats the only change then id like to see it.

  • Shak

    Exterior= Best in class
    Interior= Not so best in class

  • Frosty

    Not so obvious in the rear view photo on this page but there are dual exhausts now on the Omega and Berlina. I have the rear photo on a Omega which I got from the Holden Website media images page 1 which show the full rear of the Omega and SV6. I know and realise thats its only a minor change but I thought I would just let you know incase you want to mention it in your article. I can email you the 2 photos if you cannot find the actual photos but its pretty easy so I wouldn’t expect that I would need to.

  • Shak

    THanks Frosty, as i was thinking that something was going wrong with my eyes.

  • Jazrod

    i think the commodore looks dated… what a shame.

  • DesignEng©™

    So this is just MY10. Not even VEII. VF must be a veeerrry long way away.

    Low rolling resistance tyres as well? Makes the acheivement less impressive again. How much are they to replace and how many owners will just take the cheap option and buy “normal” when replacement time comes?

  • Frosty

    My pleasure Shak. Very hard to actually notice in the photo on this page. You can see if you look really closely at the left side of the car as well. On LS1 I also meentioned this as it hasn’t been really mentioned as yet.

  • Rear View

    Every time i look inside a VE i wanna be sick. I knew they wouldnt change the crap interior because they have no money to do it. As for the outside….well those stuoid oversize wheel arches look like they were an afterthought….ugliest front view on the market…..thats why mainly only fleets buy them……looks dont matter. OVerall another disappointing effort from Holden. After all the hype I was expecting something much much better……

  • o

    when is a faelift due?

  • nobody

    I can’t wait to see the dodgy TV ad they’re coming up for this.

  • phillip

    Kudos to Holden for offering what should finally be a great engine/transmission combination for the Commodore, although it’s odd that it took them 3 years to do it. I think that design changes are needed though: the interior looks like an advertisement for cheap plastic, and the rear end looks like it was inspired by the rear end of Amanda Vanstone. It is truly massive!

  • Dude

    I dont understand why everyone bags out the interior …. I recon its well laid out and designed

  • Tom

    Low rolling resistance tyres are a worry, as they almost inevitably have worse braking and lateral-G performance to regular tyres. And I agree with DesignEngr, come replacement time most people will simply throw on a pair of whatever is cheapest at the time, removing a large part of the fuel savings.

    As for the look of the VE, I think the exterior still looks good, but its a shame they couldn’t throw a few bob in to do up the interior, as it hasn’t aged gracefully at all. Maybe next year.

  • NacaYoda

    I’m no Ford/Holden fan boy (I’ve only ever owned 4-cyl!) but I give credit to Holden here for operating their business in a financially responsible way, and still delivery relevant product. Sure the interior stinks, but it is functional, and redesigning it is simply not cost effective. Save the pennies, save jobs, stay open! Good choice.

    This smaller, more efficient engine is relevant to our market and arguably, long overdue. The majority of the drivers of Commodores don’t care about power or towing in their fleet car. This is a now a serious competitor to 4-cylanders whilst reserving bigger engines for the enthusiests. Excellent.

    Externally this model still has plently of legs. The design is good, modern, and has excellent onroad pressence. I’m sure HSV will continue to enjoy molding this shape to create exciting varients to boot.

    All in all, I thought Holden might have modernised the light package to excite the market a little. LED tailights are becoming common as standard fitment in European models in the Australian market. As-standard LED lights would have little effect on economy, cost a fair whack in development, but would have given the base commodore a “visible” facelift that would have been welcomed by the market. I guess they wanted to leave some headroom for HSV… but they shouldn’t in my opinion.

    Now… Turbo Diesel updates anyone?

  • Blaze

    This may be a stupid question, but aren’t all combustion engines Spark Ignited (the SI of the SIDI)?

    • bf6379

      “Spark Ignition” is used in the name to differentiate between direct injected diesel engines, which do not have spark ignition.

  • Shak

    NacaYoda many people though that with this announcement would come the diesel but they must be still calibrating it with the transmission. Anyway wheels snappers caught three commodore mules at lang lang, two of which definetley had a diesel sound so maybe they are trying to eliminate that.

  • Simon

    Can’t say I’ve ever been a fan of the looks. That massive front pillar I found to reduce visibility too much.
    With so much tech going into the engines I hope the shell gets refined.
    “Mr Reuss said he and his sales team would be spending a lot of time with government and business fleet buyers to explain to them the whole-of life cost benefits of considering the new fuel efficient Commodore.”
    Yeh – good luck with that, I think the horse has bolted.
    A plus would be reps getting the 3L instead of the 3.6. Less drags by morons with any luck.

  • Simon

    Blaze, not a stupid question but diesels are combustion engines and have no spark plugs.

  • Matt

    The SIDI badges are ugly and a huge mistake.

    Other than that, looks like Holden has done a good job on what can’t have been a big budget. Pity that beardy communist Kim Il-Carr had to invite himself along.

  • Rear View

    Blaze and Simon……a diesel engine is a compression ignition engine. The compression ratio of a diesel engine is about 22:1 and a petrol engine is about 9:1. The fuel air mixture in a diesel is squashed up so much it ignites withut the a spark plug. A glow plug is often used for cold starting though.

  • Colossal Squid

    It looks good, but it still won’t fit in my garage. It’s too damn big! When is Holden’s small car coming??

  • Deco

    I’d buy one just for the new green colour, Poison Ivy, if nothing else!

    Colossal Squid, the small car is already out, it’s called the Holden Cruze.

  • Shak

    Deco i think he meant “Holden’s” small car and not Daewoo’s

  • Phil C.

    The US tests with essentially the same motors show the economy to be the same. Those US tests require the same acceleration value to be obtained, rather than a throttle percentage. Therefore are more accurate.

    Needing low rolling resistance economy tyres, means that when replaced, some 0.3L will be lost.

    Adding the 6spd auto is a good move. The 4spd was ancient. Problem is the GM 6spd isn’t a match for the Ford 5spd, let alone the leading ZF6spd.

    PS Where is the huge weight saving measures that were to be introduced? You know the alloy roof, alloy bonnet, plastic front guards. Oh, wow, an integrated manifold, which mean no-one can put aftermarket headers on!!!

  • Shak

    Another thing. Falcon will get the EcoBoost in 2011, by which time the commodore will have diesel and should have copped a facelift. This engine upgrade is coming in September so you could say that Holden reacted quicker as Ford still has 2 years of development work up their sleeves. They will have to calibrate it to remove turbo lag in such a large application.

  • tbb

    So it’s taken commodore 2 years to catch up with the aurion that brought a 200kw, 6 speed auto car that gets less than 9.9l/100km to the market in 2007 and drives a hell of a lot better! way to go holden what a company!!

  • Phil C.

    Ford will have the Euro IV or possibly Euro V petrol i6 out by Q2 2010. Economy gains on the 9.9L figure are expected again.

    The Liquid LPG i6 will also come out Q2 2010 and be fitted to the ZF6spd. That powerplant will offer 200kW/400Nm.

    The Coyote V8 will launch in Q1 2010. In standard form it will be 280kW/510Nm. FPV form it will be supercharged.

    The Diesel Territory is coming in 2011 and again fitted to the ZF6spd.

    At around that same time the Direct Injected i4T will be in the engine bay. It’s likely to have 180kW/340Nm with 8L economy. That torque peak arrives at 1500rpm too.

    Falcon’s six is still the better, torquier, refined motor. With more to come.

    But, it’s at least good to see the rattletech getting an overdue upgrade.

  • Mumble Duck

    Well, well done Holden. And other companies for making their large car’s more fuel effiient. Such as Ford. Even though they are using different technologies and different ways of making their cars more fuel effiecient. As long as it makes an impact and it will be interesting to see wich type of technologies will be reliable in the next couple of years to come. Not really Toyota, because the Camry isn’t a large car is it?? Even though it’s the exactly the same size of the Aurion! And there has been no more upgrades on the Aurion, I’m pretty sure.

    But the new 3.6L sounds good. 210kw, and 350Nm is not too bad. And 9.9L/100km sounds pretty good. Could always be better though.

    The 3.0L, is….hmmmmmmm. Sure the fuel efficiency is quite good at 9.3/100km. I mean it’s gonna be the best fuel efficient large car in Australia (probably not for long). It’s been a long time since that Holden has been the most fuel effiecient large car hasn’t it? 190kw sounds alright, sounds better then what the old 3.6L 175kw could have done! That shows how old technology that was! But torque at 290Nm, is too little in my opinion.

    I wonder if the engines will sound better too? ;-) And how better will the 0-100km/h time would have been improved by.

    So does that mean AFM is pointless on the V8′s, if you can use this sort of technology?

  • Mumble Duck

    I like Holden’s advertising with the last two pictures! Lol. Even with the “Melbourne to Sydney on one tank”, hehehe.

    The exterior in my opinion isn’t that bad, it’s aged quite well. It would be nice if they revamped the interior though, which they probably won’t even in the VF, because it’s like from VY-VZ, they hardly have any styling differences. But there probably will be extra features added and the quality of the material in the cabin will possibly be better.

    See in the 3rd last picture (the SIDI badge on the side, on the fender) is that a new colour? I have not seen that type of green colour on a VE Commodore before. Maybe it’s a new colour they are gonna add to the VE Commodore range????

  • Reckless1

    For every upside there is a downside.

    Welcome to the world of DI engines. Very low fuel consumption, very low on theose greenie horrors, the CO2s.

    However – say goodbye to 500,000ks without engine maintenance. DI engines will need a decoke at around 150,000ks, but not inside the combustion chamber – rqather inside the head around the inlet ports and valves. Why is this? – because there is no atomised petrol flowing through the air inlets at all, only atomised engine blowby gases, including the engine oil. This deposits inside the head where it is baked on by the heat.

    The net green effect is eroded when you think of the chemicals needed to decoke the inside of the cyl head – much more pollution from this process, much less out of the exhaust.

    Subarus use some stuff they periodically pump through the engine to supposedly clean this gunk off, which could presumably be used on other cars as well, but the crap coming out of the exhaust from this process couldn’t be eco friendly…..

  • Mumble Duck

    Apparently, low rolling resistance tyres aparently save up to 1.5%-4.5% of fuel consumption. So you think about the engine could only be saving like between 8.5%-11.5% maximum over the older engine. So the new tyres do take up a large amount of the fuel saving, which is a shame I guess.

  • Andrew M

    interesting to know reckless

  • Mumble Duck

    Reckless1, thats what I was thinking about and what I mentioned. The actually reliabilty and servicing over older technology, would it be better? But possibly not.

  • LaCrosse

    I don’t think the new 6-speed auto transmission is going to be crap whoever said that. BMW uses the same gearbox in the 3 Series:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_6L50_transmission

  • Big Oil

    Mumbleduck, it’s only the most fuel efficient large car in Australia if you don’t count cars like the BMW 730d (7.2L/100k, and 192g/km CO2).

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/36302/bmw-7-series-review-road-test-2/

  • crouchy

    Now lets just hold off on the Holden bashing for a little while and look at the smart business decision Holden have made here.

    As we all know, Holden have survived recently through quality, targeted marketing. What Holden have done here is given themselves a product which will be EASY to market.

    What ‘regular’ Australian family wont lap up the “same big car, more power and less petrol” marketing??? The iaussie public wont understand that every car is ‘spark ignted’ they will just see a nice new ‘enviromentaly friendly’ green badge that they can talk up to their friends.

    The interior will get a (much needed) freshen up in the series 2 and this really wont faze the target market for now.

    Mark Ruess has done an excellent job at Holden. An excellent decision maker who has saved thousands of jobs and deserves to be congratulated.

  • Rear View

    Crouchy………yeah right!!!!! ROFLMAO

  • MMMMMMMM

    All these efficent engines end up burning the Oil and will end up like the GEN 3 engine. Heaps of re-bulids with worn rings. Well it will be a lighter car and easier to tow with it does stop going……

  • Shak

    Crouchy is right. Tey brought in Reuss to make smart business decisions, and with the limited moolah he had, he made them. The public said they wanted small cars, hail the Cruze. The public wanted more fuel efficient commodore, thats what he gave ‘em. Although i think the interior refresh will be kept off till the next gen.

  • Byron

    Congratulations Holden! Good Job. Nice engines. The 4-Speed auto is gone for good. They should have a party. This is what we wanted. All we need now is a facelift inside & out. I agree, VE has aged well & the wagon is drop-dead sexy. Keep on coming with the updates Go HOLDEN!

  • Jason

    Sorry Reckless1, but your scaremongering about direct injection technology is misplaced.

    The benefits of direct injection in a low emissions automotive world far out way any perceived need by yourself for “clean inlet valves” within your motor.

    The carbon build up on the inlet valve is primarily a result of recycled exhaust gases from the EGR valve fitted to all modern automotive motors which are mandatory under modern emissions regulations.

    This build up in direct injection motors is extremely mild (just a very fine coating) and nothing to worry about as any sound automotive engineer will tell you (it is an engine after all not an operating theatre!).

    Even without the petrol injector firing directly onto the inlet valve, the valve is able to naturally clean itself reasonably well through normal engine operation via the speed and agitation of valve lift alone as well as the speed on the intake air flow.

    P.S. Holden dealers have also been offering “decarb” services (short for de-carbonisation) for years on the premise that their services “cleans the inside of your motor and are very happy to sell it, for pretty penny, to their very paranoid customers (if your engine needed it don’t you think Holden engineers would have specified it in the service schedule?).

  • Frosty

    The exterior and interior refresh will happen inside the next 12 months. Most likely the MY11 or maybe even MY10.5 (remembering that the MY09 came before the current MY9.5 ** 2 updates in 12 months last year** I do not believe however there will be another update this year) This MY10 will probably be called VE series 2 or VF. All other possible updates have already been implemented apart from the Turbo Diesel and E85 for all motors with both coming most likely in the next update.

  • http://Caradvice.com.au Baddass

    I hate Holden ads: they seem so smug. In the Cruze ad it even goes to say that the car has room for you and four very jealous friends. So they are emphasizing that is has five seats?

  • Mumble Duck

    Big Oil, I meant the most fuel effiecient ‘Austrlian made’ large car. Not the most fuel efficeint large car on the ‘Australian’ market. Sorry.

  • Phil

    Blandtastic!! could they give people any more reasons to go european or japanese ? and boasting about sydney to melbourne on one tank, thats nothing special my saab can do that piece of cake.

  • Reckless1

    Sorry Jason, my information is not scaremongering. Can’t post pictures on this forum, but have a look at the insides of some DI engines here http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95718

    Your information and opinion is completely refuted in these photos.

  • Blaze

    @Simon & @Rear View
    Thanks for letting me know. :)

  • fella

    Are these figures achieved on 98ron petrol like holden usualy do.

  • fella

    Because the buick lacetti with the same motor (around same weight) on got 9.3lt/100 on the highway and 13.6lt/100 in the city and averaged around 11.4lt/100 if my memory is correct.
    ill wait for the reviews for the real world figures they usauly tell a different story just like the AFM SS commodore. I doubt these figures are fair dinkum.

  • Motorhead

    I’m surprised Holden advertising Melbourne to Sydney on a tank as I’d have assumed they could have already been able to do that. I’ve done it several times in various 6 & 8 Falcons & they have slightly smaller fuel tanks.

    I’m not surprised to see the ecoline badge stuck on the Commodore now, when I first saw it I knew it wouldn’t be long before they managed to bung it on every car in the range. I wonder if it will stick around for as long as the RTS badges they were a fan of for so long.

  • Frenchie

    In 2-4 years time (hopefully shorter) they be able to bring out the HCCI engines. They have better emissions again and 10-15 percent fuel savings.

  • Roddy

    Motorhead the RTS Holdens handled vastly better than the Fords of the time…RTS was no gimmick

  • Motorhead

    RTS was a marketing campaign not a physical thing tho, they were still using it 20 years later on the VS by which time I think we could all agree you’d struggle to find a car thats suspension geometry wasn’t designed around radial tyres.
    I’m not saying either doesn’t have some merit with worthwhile improvements but Ecoline is a similar marketing based strategy that as I said will end up on everything Holden sell so people don’t think they’re guzzlers which I think dilutes the message somewhat & becomes meaningless.

  • Tony M

    This car looks like an evoluion of an evolution etc. Ford did it with their BA. When you spend money you want something for your buck. Direct injection has been around for years, that’s what diesel use.
    Last night I checked the American websites for info on this SO CALLED NEW TECHNOLOGY used in the VE2 Commodore. Well have a look at the GM site and their info on the NEW DI motor for Holden and compare it with the new Eco motors from Ford. My conclusion is GM is “treading water” hoping to survive while Ford is powering on. The interesting comparison is the Eco motors of Ford in 4/6 cylinder use 10-15% less fuel than the GM DI motors. But one thing is for sure that advertising of GM is superior to Ford.
    I don’t want to see Holden go under because they do make good cars but it would be nice if once we got the new technology first. Holden as a designing unit is one of the best in the world.
    As I started off by comparing the VE1,2,3,etc with the BA1,2,3 etc I fear the buying public will not spend their money for a new motor that still does not compare with the old 3.8 litre Commodore motor of old.

  • Matty B

    Why have they got the CRV in their comparisons ?

  • Darren West

    Let’s get this straight. The new engine will restore fuel economy to the levels last seen in the 1986 VL Commodore (and the Nissan Skyline of the same era was even more economical). There appears to have been no progress over the last 23 years (unless you are Audi which sells the A6 2.0 TDIe in Europe that returns 5.3 litres per 100km on the combined cycle.). Holden and Ford could install their Cruze/Focus 2.0 litre diesel engines which could return approximiatly 6.3 and 5.6 litres per 100km respectively on the combined cycle (allowing for the extra kilos the Commdore and Falcon weigh). Then it would be something worth shouting about.

  • Ningbo

    &&

    This engine is heaps large enough, the VL had a 3L/6 and it went very well and was frugal [remember him?:-)] on fuel if you did/nt hammer it.

    No mention on the turbo 6, leave that for the future [shhhhh, mums the word!]

    LPG looks the business, Ford want to get a hurry on with its LPi.

    What about a test on Falcon LPG v Commodore LPG?

    B//

    Do i smell a rat, NO informations on the baseline Ute in the above graphs?

    Once again [not just lack of safety kit] us commercial vehicle owners get screwed…..

    Just think, another 10% reduction in fuel use, 15% less emissions if they fitted MultiAir……

    C//

    Before you go all gaagaa here is what outgoing CEO M/R of Holden mentioned on the new 3L/6:

    “Annual fuel savings of $325″…….BIG DEAL!

    All this hoopala to save just $325 dollars p/a.

    Just get LPG fitted and you can save THOUSANDS per year…

    Get back to us Holden when your @ UNDER 7L/100km

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  • Steve-Poyza

    The interior is aging terribly. It needs an update fast! The exterior on the other hand is holding up very well.

  • Deco

    Ningbo be realistic, tell me a petrol run V6 in this class, let alone any class that is under 7l/100…

  • Yianni

    What’s the point of Holden telling us that you save $360 over 20,000km when the price has gone up by $700 on the models with the 3L engine?

    This would mean that you need to travel around 35,000km before you break even when compared to the outgoing model and then you can start saving from the more fuel efficient engine.

    I think what Ford has planned for the Falcon will be far superior to what Holden has to offer. The 4 cylinder ecoboost will be a ripper when it comes to fuel economy.

  • DesignEng©™

    Federal Industry Minister Kim Carr:

    “We had to build a business case around a whole new car at a time that the whole company was facing bankruptcy. It made the difference between if General Motors Holden stayed in the new GM or went the way of (GM European affiliate) Opel. We made that difference.”

    So Holden would gone without the $190 million Federal funding!
    Scary stuff!

  • Toxic_Horse

    What is so bad about the interior?
    Lack of tacky coloured gauges or not enough blue led’s around the place.

  • Car – Enthusiast

    I don’t think ford’s move to a 4 cylinder ecoboost is so smart, I mean, not much Holden or Ford owners care much about the environment, cause if they did I don’t think V8 or Inline 6 Turbo sales would be so strong.

    And another thing, with ford going to the 4 cylinder Turbo engine, does that mean the Base XT or lower spec falcons are no Longer P-Plate legal. I mean there is quite a number of Holden and Ford P-Platers out there and I don’t think that young Ford fans would be impressed to hear that they can’t drive mummy or daddy’s car, or Buy a new Falcon after 2011 because of the Turbo 4 & P-Plate laws.

    And I mean Holden sticking with 210KW to keep the Higher spec V6 commodores P-Plate legal, pretty smart stuff.

    And other than the Grill and badge changes, you could also notice that the Omega and Berlina are slightly different by the Dual Rear Exhaust on thos models.

  • The Realist

    crouchy Says:
    August 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    “Mark Ruess has done an excellent job at Holden. An excellent decision maker who has saved thousands of jobs and deserves to be congratulated.”

    Not really – take out tax payer assistance and Holden would be a dead duck. It’s not because of their product.

    When will Holden actually make any money? 2010 FY? Five years? Ten years?

  • LittleDick

    Yeah Holden proves again and again its the best. Everytime they release something I buy it and I love it. I would buy anything they made even if it was made in Korea by a Chinaman. You just cant beat them so dont tell me otherwise. The new 3.0l V6 will beat most cars on the roads even the Ford six turbo or not. If you ford fans cant understand that then youve got rocks in your heads. Get a life and buy a Holden, support our country, Holden is Australian and Ford is fat american.

  • http://Caradvice.com.au Baddass

    Well well LittleDick, you are proving to be just that. Ford is just as Australian as Holden: and if I remember correctly it is GM going bankrupt not Ford! The 3.0V6 will certainly not beat the Falcon 4.0L turbo, in any conditions.

  • Kris

    They are promoting Syd to Melb on one tank? I have done that in an FG G6 twice (ZF 6 Spd Auto). Im sure its a great engine, but I just hope they have made it a bit smoother and it doesnt sound so damn thrashy after 4000 rpm! That, together with the ancient non tiptronic 4 spd gearbox they used to have is what stops me from hiring a Commodore for work (travel interstate at least one week of every month). Given thats changed, I look forward to hiring one and testing her out!

  • Kris

    LittleDick, LOL!!!!

    How old are you mate? Thats the funniest and and most uneducated post I have read all day ROFL!

  • LittleDick

    I’m glad I made you laugh but it still doesnt change the fact that Holden is the best.

  • Lloyd

    SIDI may one day have a another related badge join the line-up called CIDI or CIDI-T. You know what that means.

  • LittleDick

    Lloyd, dunno, dont care.. buy Holden or go home.

  • crouchy

    Another thing i would like to point out is that Ford has annouced it will produce its ‘eco-boost’ engines from 2011.

    Holden are doing this now!!!

    Im sure that Holden too has a plan in place to implement forced induction to smaller engines in bigger cars and whether they do it before ford or not, at the moment they are one step ahead.

  • John C

    Quote: -

    “Are these figures achieved on 98ron petrol like holden usualy do.”

    That’s a great point , funny how most car makers will give economy figures but not specify whether it’s on standard 91 RON fuel or premium 95 RON or 98 RON fuel (which we all know costs more).

    If Ford can develop a Falcon that runs on LPG without the loss of power and with a 5 or 6 speed gearbox , they would be onto a good thing.

    The current LPG falcon only has the 4 speed gearbox , and having the lpg fuel tank in the spare wheel well with the spare wheel then taking up boot space just looks plain ugly and awkward.
    If they placed the lpg tank as aftermaket installers do and left the spare in the spare wheel well , then it would look far better in my opinion , despite the loss of boot space.

    It’s also interesting how the update model of the Toyota Camry is now more fuel efficient without any loss in power. Why the hell wasn’t it more efficient in the first place ?

    Its no wonder car companies in the US have gone under and car makers here are on shaky ground. They lag far behind consumer sentiment and consumer needs.

  • Tom

    ADR tests require the use of 95RON petrol for all fuel economy tests, except for when the minimum requirement is 98RON. Hence these tests would have been done using 95RON fuel, but they can run on 91RON.

  • DesignEng©™

    Tom, have you ever seen ADR 81?
    Nowhere does it mention 95 RON.

    Fuel consumption test are conducted using manufaturer recommended fuels.

  • Shak

    Tom many companies quote using 91 RON and have you actually had a look at the ADR compliance rules. They dont specify a single fuel has to be used.

  • Tom

    I stand corrected, I have read both ADR 79 and ADR 81, but not sure why I thought it mentioned 95RON fuel.

  • Mumble Duck

    So, does anyone think that the 3rd last picture is a new colour for the VE?

  • Lynchy

    I’m glad Holden directed there money on this update to the power trains as there current 6 cylinder engines and gearboxes are ordinary at best. Actually refreshing to see them not feel the need to change the headlights or the tailights after three years, during the VT – VZ era it seemeed like somthing was changed every 6 months, although that interior is well past it’s used by date, the Falcon is miles in front in that regard.

    I’m still under the impression that this is VE 2, last official doc I read.

    Can’t see a diesel any time soon, I know they’ve been testing for a couple of years at least but the average R & D and real world testing to implement a diesel is in the 5 year range. Territory diesel has been on the go a lot longer than the Commodore and it still won’t arrive until 2011, hats of to Holden if they can get it out withing 12 months though.

    Those fuel economy figures for Falcon are based off the original FG XT, I think it’s down to 9.9 lt/100 now due to a rolling upgrade, maybe it hasn’t been ADR approved yet.

  • Wheelnut®™

    I think it is Duck – apparently there are 3-4 new colours coming out with the new updated VEs; including:

    The Green [in the above photo] which is similar to the Jade Green on the HSV VN SV5000 but darker.

    A pink/purple colour; similar to the Ultra Violet HSV had on the VT-VX series [darker than Morpheous]

    And a Bright Yellow; similar to the HSV VX SV6000

    I saw a couple of VEs in these colours [and others including mulberry and hot pink] at my local Holden Dealer a couple of months ago – the salesman said they were to gauge peoples reaction.. it appears people liked them!

  • Golfschwein

    Hey Wheelnut, that metallic sick colour (bronze, to be kinder)I was describing to you is the same one shown on the VF Commodore com-gen story that’s here on CA. I’ve seen a couple of SSVs in that colour at dealerships, too, right next to the car in Devil Yellow that still hasn’t found its way onto the Holden web site, and probably never will.

  • Golfschwein

    That new green is fab…kind of emeraldish.

  • Motorhead

    Lynchy the Falcon is 9.9L/100km with the 6 speed auto which is optional on the base XT, the 10.5L/100km is the 5 speed auto’s figure.

  • Deco

    I think that awesome green is called Poison Ivy.

    Makes me want to just buy a commodore now.

  • Mumble Duck

    Yes it is a nice colour.

  • Anthraxx66

    nice move Holden… Ford, are you watching this space?

    Too bad it’s still a Holden, though. As for GMH being so great for making this move… why did they not do it a few years back? (Ford too) They’ve both been telling us for years that we Aussies love our (thirsty) six cylinder vehicles.

    Both organisations have been forced to change…

  • http://caradvice Ted

    It reminds me of the Holden Carmira some years ago when they advertised / tested the ‘one tank’ of fuel from Syd to Melb … Can’t they think of another way o sell the cars ..

  • BK

    9.3l/100km aint much from a 3 litre engine. holden can do better with that.But its holden for you

  • Al Juraj

    The real economy test awaits. Most cars do much worse than the ADR rating, some match and very few surpass it. The Cruze has a claimed economy better than the Corolla but extensive tests have proven otherwise.

  • Jack

    For anyone that doesnt know about this new green colour on the VE called ‘poison ivy’, its not actually new. Holden has done a few trials with it on only a handful of Commodores. Its been roughly about a year now probably.

    They also have another trial colour used last year ‘Hazard’ i think its called. Its a yellow which is close to the Monaros devil yellow albeit less yellowy

  • Rowiti

    Funny how Kim Carr is in all these press releases, well I guess when they pump all that money in,($200 million, so called line of credit)he probably thinks they are the major shareholder ala GM America
    GMH Government Motors Holden

  • BlueMan

    Rowiti,
    Don’t let the facts get in the way of your rant now, but it’s a “line of credit”, a LOAN that may be drawn on at some stage.
    It is NOT a handout.
    And as yet Holden haven’t and don’t plan to take a single cent.
    It was a credit facility to assure suppliers during the GM US chapter 11. As it turned out it was not needed and has not been draw apon.

  • Rowiti

    And they also said there wasn’t one….believe what you will

  • DesignEng©™

    Rowiti – the facts are on public parlimentary record!

    I definitely favour the blue team over red, but pointless slandering doesn’t do anyone any favours – all 3 Aus based manufacturers (& their supplies) need each other.

  • Simon

    Can’t wait til Ford offers the Falcon with direct injection.

  • Ben

    Ford and Toyota are at 9.9litres to the hundred now, with way more power and torque. Yeah its gonna have better fuel economy, but not buy much, n itl be gutless. 2011 the falcon is gonna destroy those figures anyway with its turbo 2.0ltr 4, with better power n torque.

  • Golfschwein

    Why don’t people just get over themselves? The 3.0 V6 is competitively powerful for its capacity and natural aspiration and manages just 9.3l/100km.

    Orright?

    Find something better and come back to me.

  • Wheelnut®™

    Rowiti – Its a line of credit.. It’s not a loan

    If it was a loan the $200m would have been transferred into Holdens bank account which tey would have most likely used by now.

    Whereas this is more like a credit card – they have a $200m limit which they can call on should they need to

    Not to mention with a loan the banks say you can borrow $200m but if you only use $60m they still charge you interest on the remaining $140m.
    Whereas with a credit card you only get charged interest on the money you actually spend

  • David R

    Al Juraj, I disagree with your comment about ADR being better than real world. My VZ SV6 averages 10.0 l/100km & has done since new – I have EVERY fill logged on a spreadsheet showing rolling average as well as per-tank L/100km. I tried higher octanes, but ended up going back to standard unleaded as the increase in economy was not offset by the added price

    I have managed figures as low as 7.1 L/100km, but that was a special case – dead flat, straight, 100km/hr limits. It all comes down to how you drive the car. I dont NEED the power 99% of the time, so I accelerate reasonably, brake less than I used to, and when I do need the power, the car is there to provide it.

  • InSite

    Hey Guys,

    HaHa funny how the uneducated argue amoungst each other.

    As far as im conserned, None of You arnet even close to what holdens got in-store,

    Any Way keep arguing amounst ur selves, coz u aint seen nothing yet, Holden’s gunna knock you all for 6.

    Giv it mid Sep- Oct.

    ;)

    Later Fools.

    • Sean

      If you’re going to call people uneducated you should probably spell “concerned” correctly. As well as that you’ve made a double negative in your second sentence and punctuated it with a “,”.
      Also “aren’t” is a contraction, short for are not, what you’ve typed is “arnet” which sounds like an early version of the internet that was available to universities in Australia.
      To the point of your post, personally I like what Holden are doing but Ford owners are entitled to their opinion. The use of turbo and super chargers with petrol driven cars in Australia causes many issues with dirt and other foreign matter being jammed through those turbines at high speed. The SIDI system which doesn’t use turbines to force feed more air through the engine is a good system for Australian conditions (which are frequently dusty, and will probably get worse as the climate change driven drought continues). An engine which is built for Australian conditions and is going to reduce CO2 emissions is a good thing.

      • DE

        Sean, I don’t really agree with your dust/turbo anology. All the eco-boost engines really do is bring petrol engines up to what has been done with the new generation of turbo deisels (and they seem to be OK in dusty environs).
        But agreed, both approaches achieve similar common goals through differing techs.

      • Tom Gruen

        You guys need sense,It’s not Efficient engines Holden,Ford or any other companies need It’s Carbon zero not carbon Hero! Oh and about turbo Sean, Get lost you Uneducated Loser! Turboes are for people who don’t want a golf cart!

  • Azza

    I detest that they are trying to pass that off as an Australian built engine… The only Australian built engine that is, designed, produced and assembled in Australia is the Ford I6. Therefore the only title that this new engine deserves is “Most Fuel Efficient Imported Holden 6 Cylinder”.

    Stop trying to pass you’re self off as Australian Holden… you gave that up near 30 years ago when the VC Commodore ceased production.

    • Sean

      All V6 engines for the Commodore range, Statesman and Caprice will be produced at Holden’s Global V6 engine plant in Port Melbourne, Victoria. The vehicles are manufactured in Elizabeth, South Australia.

      Might not be designed here but they’re a global company, the V6 predecessor to the SIDI engine was designed and built in Australia but motoring magazines all recomended the American designed and built V8 when ever put up against each other for comparison.
      SIDI is a good thing don’t worry Ford will catch up soon (just like Holden had to catch up to Toyota). I’m sure I’ll get flamed from both sides for this post.

      • DE

        Two points:
        Azza, Holden was NEVER Australian as a car manufacturer – they were 100% US owned (by GM) before they made their first complete car.

        Sean, all V6 Commodore engines have US design origins, even the recently replaced engine, but as you say they have been built in Melbourns since … forever.
        And the SIDI really only just noses past the Ford I6. Till next year…..

        (Was that 3 points?)

  • Jack

    Very interesting was Drive’s 161 economy laps around Bathurst where the Ford 4.0L inline six beat the Holden 3.0L for economy!

    Makes perfect sense. Torque wins every time, and big motors can be more economical than smaller motors with less torque.

    Ford wins Bathurst! The irony!

    • Shak

      No Holden won Bathurst. And btw they had the first four spots. Torque may help on the undulating ups and downs of Bathurst but on most of The main capitals roads are flat and straight.

      • Carfanatic

        you can’t compare the Fords and Holdens in V8 supercar form with those road cars used in the test Shak. Two completely different animals

  • Carfanatic

    Wow Sydney to Melbourne on one tank? Big deal, had they gone with the 2.9 turbo diesel developed by GM and VM Motori, you would have had a Commodore that could drive from Melbourne to Sydney and keep heading toward Brisbane on the same amount of fuel. Not to mention 186KW and 550 NM of Torque. Wake up Holden, you need a powerful diesel in the range.

    • Deco

      VF Commodore my bets.

  • Sean

    Anyone have any guesses on when the next Commodore will come out? The boss man from Holden says above “There will be an all new redesigned holden, but I’m not about to tell you when”. That makes me very suspicious and makes me think I should hold off for a year before buying one of these, if they want to withhold information I’ll assume worst case scenario and that is there will be an all new commodore next year. If he had have said 2012, I wouldn’t be so concerned…

    • Deco

      I believe November 2011.

      • Sean

        Oh ok, is that just a guess? You sound reasonably confident that that is accurate, are you basing that off some previous experience?

        • Deco

          Just reading through the LS1 forums. :p

          With the HSV E2 update, it does make it seem like it will be 2011 although
          :(

          But my guess is that they’d want the VF out before FG-II, which going on ever 2-3 years, what they currently do, is start of 2011 at latest.

          • Sean

            Ah ok so I’ve got a little while anyway.

    • DE

      Sean there’s only one Commodore “new” model left “in the can”. There will be continued updates, like VE MY10, but current plans don’t extend beyond one more cosmeticly new model. Might be end 2010 or 2011, either way it doesn’t matter. Buy what suits you when it suits you, not based on some sort of model cycle.

      • Sean

        More concerned for resale value than anything, because the VE commodores which were released in 2006/2007 are still the current shape they still retain a large percentage of their resale value.
        What I don’t want to do is buy a Commodore in early 2010 and then lose a whole heap of money off its resale value because there is a change to the appearance of the “new end of 2010″ model.

        • DE

          A lot of GMH diehards woulf love to have the VF in 2010, but I think it’s more likely 2011, but anyway don’t expect too much in the way of “new” styling – it’s a minor makeover at best, as well as being the last.
          Changes are likely to be limited to “bolt on bits” with no sheetmetal changes. This is OK as it can give a quite a different look though, just look at Camry vs Aurion, thats only bolt-on-changes.

          • Sean

            So are you saying they’re getting rid of Commodore after the VF?? That would be incredibly sad really, Commodore has been an institution for so many years.

          • DE

            Sean, Commodore won’t dissapear within the forseable future, but rather beyond VF there are only “incremental updates” planned. GM head office haven’t even considerd the next model cycle yet, and won’t for some time.
            Longer term Holden may well become the “Cruze car company”. Lets hope all of the bugs froms it’s Daewoo design are ironed out long befor then.

          • Sean

            Hate Daewoo, hate the look, hate their cars.
            From yourself DE & Deco I get a feeling that the VF will be around start of 2011 to end of 2011.

          • DE

            So it’s Commodore or nothing from GMH for you then? Fair enough.

          • Sean

            Sorry if I sounded abbrasive towards you then, I wasn’t intending to, thanks for all your info there.

          • DE

            No offence taken at all.

            Once you’ve had a discussion on here with Tomas79, Will, Dan or Jon (or whatever other names that they want to use) everything else is smooth sailing.

            Cheers.

  • Sean

    Just had a bit of a closer look at the graphs on the Holden website, if you compare the 3.6litre engine in the SV6 version it’s not all that fuel eficient in fact it’s less fuel eficient then the Aurion (not by much though). The 3.6 in the Calais is pretty good though, it must be detuned a little I guess?

    • DE

      Sean don’t forget that the V6 Camry (rebadged as Aurion in Australia) is smaller, lighter and FWD.

  • Zeek

    Hmm, Just a thought… I reckon Holden is due for a Lion Emblem redesign… Just a thought. I still think the previous Egyptian Lion was the best! Holden Redesign the emblem!!