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		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/36366/team-vodaphone-to-race-holden-commodores-from-2010/#comment-145909</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen you are also forgetting the territory.... you know that class leading vehicl that even car advice themselves say is a benchmark in its catergory despite its age. Australians designing for australian conditions i guess, rather than ringing up GM Daewoo for a new range of rebadges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen you are also forgetting the territory&#8230;. you know that class leading vehicl that even car advice themselves say is a benchmark in its catergory despite its age. Australians designing for australian conditions i guess, rather than ringing up GM Daewoo for a new range of rebadges.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Michael i like your passion but again your wrong. Ford Australia is its own seperate division yes, yet is still wholly American owned. Holden is exactly the same Holden is just another name for GM Australia. They get the vast majority of their funding from the US.

I agree with you that Ford is more australian with engineering and manufacturing with their products but the thing is in reality the only Australian part about Ford &amp; Holden is the Falcon and Commodore. Yes the Commodores were originally cut and shut euro opel models but (and I haven&#039;t found any evidence to contradict this) the VE commodore is on an Aussie developed platform, designed with help from the Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Michael i like your passion but again your wrong. Ford Australia is its own seperate division yes, yet is still wholly American owned. Holden is exactly the same Holden is just another name for GM Australia. They get the vast majority of their funding from the US.</p>
<p>I agree with you that Ford is more australian with engineering and manufacturing with their products but the thing is in reality the only Australian part about Ford &amp; Holden is the Falcon and Commodore. Yes the Commodores were originally cut and shut euro opel models but (and I haven&#8217;t found any evidence to contradict this) the VE commodore is on an Aussie developed platform, designed with help from the Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, sorry but I disagree, Ford Australia is exactly that, Ford Australia, they receive no finding, no parts, no nothing, even the Boss V8 has to be bought, shipped here then assembled here, unlike GMH and their V8&#039;s they are shipped over complete, ready to be dropped into their cars.

If you wanna get down to the nitty gritty, Ford is more australian than Holden, and the Falcon is the only Australian car, it&#039;s designed here, built here, everything, unlike the Commodore, which for a large majority of its life, was a rip off of the Opel Omega</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, sorry but I disagree, Ford Australia is exactly that, Ford Australia, they receive no finding, no parts, no nothing, even the Boss V8 has to be bought, shipped here then assembled here, unlike GMH and their V8&#8242;s they are shipped over complete, ready to be dropped into their cars.</p>
<p>If you wanna get down to the nitty gritty, Ford is more australian than Holden, and the Falcon is the only Australian car, it&#8217;s designed here, built here, everything, unlike the Commodore, which for a large majority of its life, was a rip off of the Opel Omega</p>
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		<title>By: LSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad Max.....a total separate identity? are you stupid? Its called GM Holden.......not Holden and they are directly affected by the bankruptcy!! They may not be directly recieving U.S. money but they are reliant on U.S. money to keep GM going so it doesnt matter what you think they are only still here because of U.S. bailout money. Holden are totally reliant on GM. And who knows how long GM can carry a company like Holden who keep losing money?  GM have no money for new models and thet will affect Holden because thats where their money and most of the Commodore comes from. You have no idea have you?

As for not being affected..........you obviously havent heard of Pontiac. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Max&#8230;..a total separate identity? are you stupid? Its called GM Holden&#8230;&#8230;.not Holden and they are directly affected by the bankruptcy!! They may not be directly recieving U.S. money but they are reliant on U.S. money to keep GM going so it doesnt matter what you think they are only still here because of U.S. bailout money. Holden are totally reliant on GM. And who knows how long GM can carry a company like Holden who keep losing money?  GM have no money for new models and thet will affect Holden because thats where their money and most of the Commodore comes from. You have no idea have you?</p>
<p>As for not being affected&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.you obviously havent heard of Pontiac. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael I love your passion for Ford but let me correct you. Ford Australia are wholely owned by Ford US, just like Holden is wholely owned by GM. They&#039;re both as Australian as each other, with Holden having the advantage of a unique name so they can claim they are the only Australian company.

Anyway Ford had to cut back funding somewhere so had to cut funding for some teams. They were never not going to back FPR considering Prodrive own a fair slice of FPR. Now I believe Ford were going to support 888 until the incident last year where Lowndes was meant to drive the FG show car but then vodafone cut in and said lowndes wouldnt be driving it because he was contracted to wear a vodafone race suit. A little dispute came about so James Courtney drove the car. 2 weeks later Ford annouces they are withdrawing support for Team Vodafone. Obviously something has happened in the background where Vodafone and Ford couldn&#039;t see eye to eye. I can definately say that Ford didn&#039;t withdrawl support because the cars were the wrong colour. All they needed was a splash of blue like last year.

Ok back to the topic. I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll see 888 winning races right away. Yes the cars are similar but they still have different handling characteristics. 888 will be going to all tracks with virtually &quot;no data&quot;. Granted its a similar situation this year going from BF to FG but the aero package is the virtually the same. Whereas the VE has a vastly different aero balance because it is much wider. 888 will be up the front but dont expect the domination you see atm for at least 12 months. They will win races though they are too good not too.

Oh 888 will still be building customer cars, holden &amp; Ford. Thats their major cash flow right now so they won&#039;t stop building customer cars. Not the 1st time that has happened either, in 1995 Larry Perkins built Tony Longhurst an EF Falcon while Larry continued building his commodores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I love your passion for Ford but let me correct you. Ford Australia are wholely owned by Ford US, just like Holden is wholely owned by GM. They&#8217;re both as Australian as each other, with Holden having the advantage of a unique name so they can claim they are the only Australian company.</p>
<p>Anyway Ford had to cut back funding somewhere so had to cut funding for some teams. They were never not going to back FPR considering Prodrive own a fair slice of FPR. Now I believe Ford were going to support 888 until the incident last year where Lowndes was meant to drive the FG show car but then vodafone cut in and said lowndes wouldnt be driving it because he was contracted to wear a vodafone race suit. A little dispute came about so James Courtney drove the car. 2 weeks later Ford annouces they are withdrawing support for Team Vodafone. Obviously something has happened in the background where Vodafone and Ford couldn&#8217;t see eye to eye. I can definately say that Ford didn&#8217;t withdrawl support because the cars were the wrong colour. All they needed was a splash of blue like last year.</p>
<p>Ok back to the topic. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll see 888 winning races right away. Yes the cars are similar but they still have different handling characteristics. 888 will be going to all tracks with virtually &#8220;no data&#8221;. Granted its a similar situation this year going from BF to FG but the aero package is the virtually the same. Whereas the VE has a vastly different aero balance because it is much wider. 888 will be up the front but dont expect the domination you see atm for at least 12 months. They will win races though they are too good not too.</p>
<p>Oh 888 will still be building customer cars, holden &amp; Ford. Thats their major cash flow right now so they won&#8217;t stop building customer cars. Not the 1st time that has happened either, in 1995 Larry Perkins built Tony Longhurst an EF Falcon while Larry continued building his commodores.</p>
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		<title>By: mad max</title>
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		<dc:creator>mad max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LSD- you obviously are a bit slow. Holden is a totaly seperate entity to GM USA. They were never effected by the bunkruptcy proceedings. If you read the original documents presented to the court proceedings, GM Holden was sperated from GM some couple of years ago and is its own company. This was confirmed by Holden some weeks ago when the rumors of a Chinese takeover. Part of the US Governments bailout was a stipulation that NO US governments money (tax payers money) was to be used in any GM owned, part owned or affiliated (read Holden) companies overseas. That was also a stipulation made by our Government to the money given to Holden (as well as Ford and Toyota)meaning the money could not be siphoned off to the overseas divisions. Holden ARE NOT receiving any US tax payers money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LSD- you obviously are a bit slow. Holden is a totaly seperate entity to GM USA. They were never effected by the bunkruptcy proceedings. If you read the original documents presented to the court proceedings, GM Holden was sperated from GM some couple of years ago and is its own company. This was confirmed by Holden some weeks ago when the rumors of a Chinese takeover. Part of the US Governments bailout was a stipulation that NO US governments money (tax payers money) was to be used in any GM owned, part owned or affiliated (read Holden) companies overseas. That was also a stipulation made by our Government to the money given to Holden (as well as Ford and Toyota)meaning the money could not be siphoned off to the overseas divisions. Holden ARE NOT receiving any US tax payers money!</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol...... cheeseburger???? WTF? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol&#8230;&#8230; cheeseburger???? WTF? lol</p>
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		<title>By: The Associate</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Associate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MY GOD the anti-spam word was Holden! As if this news wasn&#039;t bad enough already!!!

Anyways V*SC licenses should be allocated 50% Ford, 50% Olden. Really it is V8SC who should also be enticing new entrants into the sport.

Anyways Ford will have some younger drivers who will hopefully step up (Courtney, Cheeseburger, W/Bottom) who will hopfully have there teams step up and produce some wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MY GOD the anti-spam word was Holden! As if this news wasn&#8217;t bad enough already!!!</p>
<p>Anyways V*SC licenses should be allocated 50% Ford, 50% Olden. Really it is V8SC who should also be enticing new entrants into the sport.</p>
<p>Anyways Ford will have some younger drivers who will hopefully step up (Courtney, Cheeseburger, W/Bottom) who will hopfully have there teams step up and produce some wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Micheal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micheal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holdens philosophy when it comes to engines - Screw technology, we&#039;ll just give it more cubes.

Holdens philosohpy when it comes to the public - Screw the morons we&#039;ll tell them that we&#039;re Australian, even though we&#039;re not, the idiots will believe it

Holdens philosophy when it comes to racing - If you can&#039;t beat them, first have a cry about they way the operate, then if that doesn&#039;t work.... buy them.

Holdens philosophy when it comes to new cars - We&#039;ll give it the same name as a car which failed to sell two years ago(Cruze), maybe the public has forgotten.

Holden philosophy to GM going bust - Well tell the public that it won&#039;t affect us at all, even though we can no longer export the Bomb-a-dore, and we can no longer import the Astra... (umm, hello, how could that NOT affect your company???)

Not real bright on the &#039;red&#039; side of the fence are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holdens philosophy when it comes to engines &#8211; Screw technology, we&#8217;ll just give it more cubes.</p>
<p>Holdens philosohpy when it comes to the public &#8211; Screw the morons we&#8217;ll tell them that we&#8217;re Australian, even though we&#8217;re not, the idiots will believe it</p>
<p>Holdens philosophy when it comes to racing &#8211; If you can&#8217;t beat them, first have a cry about they way the operate, then if that doesn&#8217;t work&#8230;. buy them.</p>
<p>Holdens philosophy when it comes to new cars &#8211; We&#8217;ll give it the same name as a car which failed to sell two years ago(Cruze), maybe the public has forgotten.</p>
<p>Holden philosophy to GM going bust &#8211; Well tell the public that it won&#8217;t affect us at all, even though we can no longer export the Bomb-a-dore, and we can no longer import the Astra&#8230; (umm, hello, how could that NOT affect your company???)</p>
<p>Not real bright on the &#8216;red&#8217; side of the fence are they?</p>
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