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TOYOTA KLUGER

Pros: Smooth V6 engine; capable AWD system; user-friendly cockpit

Cons: No parking sensors, auto wipers or iPod input; centre seat width

By Matt Brogan |
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Price: $30,800 to $37,070

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2009 Toyota Kluger Grande AWD Review & Road Test

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Vanilla never looked so good.

Model Tested:

  • 2009 Toyota GSU45R Kluger Grande; 3.5-litre V6 AWD; five-speed automatic; seven-seat wagon – $66,490*

Options:

  • Metallic Paint $520 (Fitted – Crystal Pearl)

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By Matt Brogan

Kluger is often considered the default option when buying a seven-seat family SUV, but don’t let popularity put you off, for as I found out this week there’s good reason you see so many of these on the road, and it all begins without so much as even turning a key.

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The Grande sits atop the Kluger model line-up and, as you’d expect at this price, features an impressive equipment list even the most discerning SUV buyer would be happy with.

Keyless entry with push button start; auto tailgate; electric heated leather seats; triple-zone climate control; cruise control; six-CD tuner with DVD and satellite navigation; reverse camera; tilt and slide sunroof; power windows and mirrors are all included as standard kit.

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The cabin too is spacious, intelligent, comfortable and offers a user-friendliness often overlooked by rivals who are either unaware or unsympathetic to the bustle and rush of family life. It looks good too, even if I’m not a fan of the abundant faux wood grain.

The layout accommodates seven usable seats, a myriad of nifty storage areas, cup holders everywhere, adequate levels of space in six of the seven seats – the mid-row centre seat being a little narrow – and with the exception of a little wind noise from the wing mirrors, a quiet ride.

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But it’s more than just features and cushioning that make Kluger so enjoyable. The drive on offer is also rather competent, thanks to Toyota’s full-time, all-wheel-drive system, and comes with a feeling of stability and control – especially in the wet – well beyond that offered in similarly priced rivals featuring a part-time or rear wheel assist type arrangement.

Similarly the four corner strut set-up of Kluger’s suspension means tackling the highway with all seven seats loaded provides just as much mid-corner confidence and at-speed stability as that of any family sedan. It could be argued that the ride is a touch firm as a result but the trade off, car-like driving dynamics, are certainly worth it.

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Beneath the large expanse of bonnet lies Toyota’s 2GR-FE 3.5-litre six cylinder petrol engine – as found in Aurion, RAV4 V6 & Tarago V6 – that provides a substantial 201kW of power, second only in terms of power to Mazda’s 204kW CX-9.

The smooth revving V6 manages 337Nm of torque which although sees it rank it second from the bottom against its direct rivals, still manages fluid power delivery across a wide range thanks to a slick shifting five-speed automatic with sports mode and +/- functionality.

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As you can see in the graph above, although the Kluger may well be lacking in a little torque, the fuel efficiency tally certainly leans in Toyota’s favour, and although we couldn’t quite pin down the ADR claimed result of 11.6 litres per 100km as claimed, the Grande did return a steady average of 12.2L/100km through mixed city and highway driving.

To bring the family hauler back to rest the Kluger offers meaty all wheel discs brakes (with ABS, EBA & EBD) that although offer stopping that is beyond expectations. I do however feel the pedal could do with a fraction more assistance.

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Steering is well weighted and offers communicative feedback for this class of vehicle. Most competitors overcompensate in the steering department with ultra-light offerings that present little in the way of feel. This doesn’t however mean the Kluger is hard to park with slow speed assistance well suited to the car’s family orientation and a decent 11.8 metre turning circle.

Kluger comes standard with a reversing camera which works exceptionally well in all light conditions but suffers a little in the rain but sadly neglects to offer parking sensors which can make tight spots a little tricky.

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Luggage is easily accommodated in five-seat mode with 580 litres of cargo space on offer. The seating arrangements are versatile in folding away but it should be noted that the rear (or third row) seat cannot be split 50:50 which may bother some buyers. Similarly the remaining boot space available in seven-seat mode is a little tight, but no more so than others in this category.

If you find yourself needing to carry even more Kluger offers an ample 2000kg (braked) towing capacity which should it more than capable of towing a small boat, caravan or trailer.

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For safety’s sake the Kluger Grande comes standard with dual front, side and curtain airbags as well as a driver’s knee airbag. Electronic Stability Control with Traction Control are also included in the list price as are ABS brakes with Electronic Brake Force Distribution and Emergency Brake Assist. Hill Descent Control is also included.

If I had to be picky in finding negative points on the Grande I’d point to the upper centre screen’s inability to be dimmed at night; the lack of an auxiliary audio input, rain sensing wipers, parking sensors and (standard) cargo cover; as well as the skinny centre seat as this car’s only downfalls.

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At the end of the day the majority of class-rivals for the Kluger Grande are quite similar in spec, and despite the Toyota being very capable, much of the buying decision on such an SUV will come back to looks.

Sure the Kluger might be modest, almost conservative in its styling, but I think it’s fair to say that when you look at some of the more dramatically styled competitors, vanilla never looked so good.

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    • http://Caradvice.com.au Baddass

      The base model Kluger has seven badges! Ridiculous!

    • Jake02

      Never mind the bagdes, what about the friggin price!? 66k AND THEN on-roads??? Strewwwth!

      No wonder people would prefer the mid-spec KX-S model! How the hell can most 5-kid families actually afford to buy one?

      Give me a Tribeca Premium and I’ll save 10-grand thanks or I could spend abit more and get a Volvo XC90. Yep that sounds good (Y)

      • Sati

        Hi Baji,

        Its definitely not 66k + on roads.

        I bought a Toyota Kluger Grande for 58k drive away just last week. Much less then what CX9 top model was costing me.

        Regards
        Sati

        • James

          It amazes me that people comment on these sites when they don’t even own the car there talking about. The Grande it 61K MAX and the simple truth of the matter is, there is a reason you see so many of these cars on the road.
          They have many plus points, some negatives; as with all cars – show me the perfect car. Everyone has different needs and expectations.
          Please comment sensibly on these sites as people (like me) use them to actually purchase a car not to rubbish brands or sell your own agenda’s.

      • Kimbery20

        your right! its bloody expensive….especially considering its just under $40,000 in the USA!!

    • Baji

      Good review Matt.

      But’d i’d still take a CX9 Luxury over the Kluger. Im surprised it got such a high rating. Its a good car, though i don’t think its worth the asking price.

      “Steering is well weighted and offers communicative feedback for this class of vehicle. Most competitors overcompensate in the steering department with ultra-light offerings that present little in the way of feel.” – by this which competitors are you referring to?

      And after looking at that fuel economy table – WOW Mazda has a LOT of catching up to do.

      Lastly any chances of a CX9 comparo?

    • Obama

      Love the car, looks etc but the price killed it for me…so least i no to take off my maybe purchase list and add it to my wish list…………..

    • Wheelnut®™

      I’d opt for the Volvo XC60 T-5 AWD…. safety, performance, handling, INNOVATIVE features, looks – it’s got it all

    • Cargo

      $70000 for a fridge on wheels…..no thanks!! Toyota certainly build ugly vehicles…..this is ugly inside and out. That plastic wood centre console…..are they kidding? I test drove one of these back to back with a Territory Ghia……the Ford was so far ahead in driving dynamics and overall car like feel it was surprising, Kluger felt like it was going to fall over on some corners, very disconcerting indeed.

    • AB

      I recently drove a KX-S and didn’t come away as impressed as yourself Matt.

      Flat Front Seats, Heavy Steering, Prado like handling, cheap leather, average stereo, weirdly designed narrow cabin, laughable display screen at top of dash and fuel economy of 14.1L/100km.

      On the plus sides I will admit it was well built, had a sweet sounding and revving V6 and not bad looking.

    • AB

      Had a Territory TX for 1 week which had:
      Superior front and rear seats, superior handling and driving position, the same fuel economy, equally impressive engine and refinement.

      Downsides: some may see it as an older design, and some may not like the interior designs focus towards handling the ‘dirtier’ SUV duties.

    • VW Freak

      Besides Toyota not including rain sensing wipers or parking sensors, one thing they also missed was xenons, particularly AFS ones.

      btw, Matt, the AWD version of the Kluger is a GSU45R, you have the tested vehicle as a GSU40R which is the code for a 2WD.

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au OSU811

      can you please to a full comparison with (cluger awd, cx-9, and tribeca), all top level 7 seaters, My money is on the tribeca, for its smooth boxer engine, handling and fuel economy, plus now looks good!, less bland than cluger especially inside.

    • Carl

      What an expensive, ugly piece of crap!!! Looks like a fridge, drives like a fridge but definitely not a cool car!!!!

    • Kluger Driver

      I purchased a KX-S AWD about 18 months ago and I cannot fault it.
      I also test drove the Territory as an alternative to the Kluger but found that it’s steering was very heavy compared with the Kluger. I also felt that the Kluger offered more space compared with the Territory.
      Matt, you spoke about the “lack of a standard cargo cover”, but there is a cargo cover provided it is just hidden away.
      In the boot you will find a tab directly above where the boot latch is, if you lift that (as well as taking out the 2 panels in the corner of the boot) there is a cargo cover stowed away in there. I had no knowledge of it either until the dealer pointed it out to me upon delivery.
      I have also found the Kluger to have superb fuel economy on long highway drives and have often averaged closer to 10.5lt/100km than the 11lt/100km that the manufacturer states.
      In my opinion, it’s a car that the more you drive the more impressive it is. Especially for space, as I am roughly 195cm and I have the seat all the way back, and I am constantly driving around mates very similar in height and they fit behind me with no problems at all.
      I also test drove the Kluger 2WD and found it to suffer from Torque understeer under heavy acceleration making it a bit more dangerous to drive, so spending the additional $4K for the AWD, in my opinion, is money well spent.

    • Carl

      Next year’s diesel Territory should be a cracker and unless you just had to buy an SUV “NOW” then I’d wait for that one………Let’s hope that the boys at Ford OZ don’t disappoint us with that one!!!

    • stifler

      “Steering is well weighted and offers communicative feedback for this class of vehicle. Most competitors overcompensate in the steering department with ultra-light offerings that present little in the way of feel.”

      = i guess thats a subtle way of saying “we cant match the comfort engeneering other car manufacturers can offer”
      Most of my family/in-laws have been blind Toyota fans for ages….ive driven my family’s Klugers…Taragos…corollas…camrys(ugh…the most, sadly i own one)
      most of them have heavy steering…whenever i drive Hondas..or other badges…you will really feel the difference between their steering weight. I tell ya, if you’re used to driving toyotas and then switched to another brand…its like…Damn! ive missed out on steering comfort!Toyota is just plain boring when it comes to driving…they are reliable…ill give em that…but thats just about it. Alot of car manufacturers are reliable too but at least they put effort on steering, ride, and style (exterior and interior) Another thing i dislike about Toyota is their fuel comsumption claims, and servicing stuff ups. Klugers are ok if the pricing was right….id go with either a Tribeca or Mazdas 9.

    • Casey

      Just reading these comments and am surprised at how so many “experts” have this wrong.

      For start the model tested was the AWD, so speaking of the 2WD model proves you didn’t read it.

      Same goes with the reverse camera. The Grande uses the full screen (or main screen) when reversing, so not sure what you’re on about there.

      Always amuses me the comments on CarAdvice.

      Anyway, good read, my boss has one of these and for the money I think it’s a pretty good car. Personal taste will always come in to it I suppose but I’ve never seen or heard of anything go wrong with it.

      Just my 2c

    • Yanzo

      i think the kluger has potential to look mean! make a bodykit for it and put some huge wheels on it and you’ll see jaws drop

    • DesignEng©™

      Matt, how long did you have the Kluger for? I hired one for a 10 “test drive” during a family holiday.
      Towing capacity is OK for what I need, but the Kluger is off my list due to the poor driving dynamics.

      Power understeer is shocking – a deal breaker for me.
      Highway cruising is nervous at best.
      Blind spots attrocious.
      High reving engine is fun short term but becomes very triesome after a few days.
      High bonnet combined with poor seating postion create visability problems for drivers.
      Middle row captains seats are fantanstic, centre is a joke.
      Straight line acceleration is very good for a car of this type.

      And one last gripe; every time I wanted to put the third row of seats up or down I had to open each back door and adjust both of the second row of seats. This second row is comfortable but tends to always get adjusted to a point to interfere with the third row actuation

    • SteveH

      Actually Lendo, you are wrong. The Grande model as reviewed here, uses the sat nav screen as the reverse screen. The models without the sat nav screen may use the smaller screen. It is listed on the Toyota website.

    • DesignEng©™

      Raser, is the Kluger really based on the Lexus?
      That would be really dissapointing to learn that the Lexus drives that poorly.

      • Kathfletcher70

        When buying my Kluger Grande….Salesman informed us it was the poor mans Lexus…Apparently you only had to change badges & they were a much of muchness….

    • Pops

      DesignEng: Other way around. The RX is based on the “high volume seller” Kluger.

      • Dave S

        Thats what i thought too, I thought the Kluger and the RX shared the same platform. The platform was a modified camry platform?

    • Shane

      Spend a bit more and get a Volkswagen Toureag 3.0TD, its a much better car

      • Gordon

        A $30.000 is not bit more..

        Toyota Kluger Grande ( $65.000) vs VW Touareg ( $95.000) with Sounroof, Sat/Nav,eletric seats and rear door, DVD player @ wireless headphones, rear camera

    • AJ

      Those engine stats just cement how good the Territory is! The Kluger and captiva chews the same juice but look at Kluger’s lower torque and captiva’s overall woeful power stats!

      Never ceases to amaze me how good we have it with the Territory and the Falcon. It’s about time the media stops putting Ford products down and reporting fairly regarding the rest esp. holden.

    • Tyson

      It amazes me the idiots that post on this sight.

      No one seems to have any real experience than “I opened the door and had a look and I kinda remeber what it was like”

      Im about to start up a Kluger KX-S and drive an 800km round trip over the next four days and cant wait to hit the road.

      For the Top model in an AWD youll find the price is very even with its competitors! its also well into the LCT bracket.

      But when you consider they start at 40+ ORC there is a car for everyones budget with the same amount of saftey features.

      For those that point out the middle seat being to small.. Have you sat in it? its desgined to contour very well and is actually as comfy as any other middle seat.

      Its also completely removeable so you can have a walf through, two captains chairs or pop in the centre cup holder stowed away under the centre console.

      The Grandes Reverse camera is on the Sat nav screen not the smaller one above.

      The old Kluger was based on the Lexus platform, the current generation is based on an entirley new platform.

      Get your facts right people then post your comments.

      Matt a Comendable review. Enjoyed very much.

      cheers

    • Sam

      We just took delivery of a brand new AWD Grande a week ago, and so far have been very impressed. Definitely no shortage of features, heaps of power and plenty of room. With the second row slid back, it feels like a limo in the back there is so much leg room. We managed to get ours for under $62K driveaway with front and rear sensors.

      Before buying we also drove Subaru Tribeca Premium, and found it was a big let down. Rake of the front windscreen was too low which was a problem for my wife who has her seat set forward. The windscreen was literally inches from her head. Back seats were flat and unsupportive, about as comfortable as a timber box with little padding. The Sat-nav screen is positioned too far forward which makes it a real stretch to use, and suffers from constant glare seeing as it’s always in the sun.

      I think the Kluger is the clear winner.

    • DesignEng©™

      Tyson, clearly you are smitten, and that’s OK. But to suggest that the centre middle row seat is suitable for anyone other than a kid for 10 mins is just silly.

      Personally, it was the only hire car that I have ever had that I was really glad to hand the keys back after 10 days. We found it to be quite a “liveable” family car, space comfort etc, but I just couldn’t face driving it every day.

    • Pops

      Tyson: Too funny. Let one of your assigned “idiots” correct you on your first sentence. I believe you meant to say “site” as in “website”….

      Ok I will confess. My statement was based on the platform sharing of the previous RX / Kluger models (03 to 09) with the RX essentially being a tarted up luxo version of the Kluger (similar to the Golf / A3 scenario). My assumption was that it is the same with the new models but I may be wrong.

      You should know by now that the bulk of the comments on this website are not going to be factual but rather quick, ill-thought & often completely one-eyed opinions.

      That’s was makes them so amusing to read as Casey points out!

      Keep ‘em coming:)

    • Model T

      Another Toyota – potentially reliable, too flawed and very over-priced. I test drove a KX-S AWD and was appalled by the shocking interior packaging, including the ridiculous foot brake and the laughable middle row center seat. Not to mentioned the near-impossible and clumsy access to the third row. For a car of that size, such flaws are inexcusable. A Yaris feels more spacious behind the wheel. Then there’s the ride and handling… Nice, smooth engine, but that’s about all. Toyota is in for a very rude wake up call from Mazda and the Koreans if it doesn’t get its act together soon. A good reputation will only last as long as it’s backed up by good product. Boring never bothered me about Toyotas. But boring, ordinary and over-priced, does.

    • Tim

      Definitely surprised on the handling comments. I had one as a work vehicle for 5 weeks, and I found it had a tendency to understeer quite badly, especially under power and pogo on the outside wheel. Definitely would not consider it up to the standard of its main competitors. And even when I tried my utmost the best I averaged during some fairly steady state highway driving with small bits of Townsville driving was 12.5L/100km. Driving in town only shot the average up past 15L, and we aren’t talking Sydney driving here.

      As a family truck though, its pretty good, but I still think the Territory is better. Especially at that price.

    • davie

      One question, is this AWD:
      full time i.e. constant 4wd with a centre diff or

      OR

      on-demand, with the back wheels only getting torque when the fronts slip?

    • http://internode.on.net Pete

      What about the pitiful boot/cargo space of these vehicles. If you utilise all 7 seats you end up with a matchbox for a boot.

      As for the middle/centre seat: Tyson said it was comfy but didn’t state for whom. Most people would agree it is a kids seat at best (as are most of the rear seats).

      Count in lousy fuel consumption and I have to wonder why people would buy this as an “around town” family car.

    • Andrew M

      I found this quote a little contradicting….

      QUOTE……..
      “As you can see in the graph above, although the Kluger may well be lacking in a little torque, the fuel efficiency tally certainly leans in Toyota’s favour”

      Well by going off the graph, its not the best in class, and only 2 out of the 6 class contenders are worse for fuel economy. How does that make a plus clearly leaning in its favour??

      For mine I make it out as just as economical as the most of them

      And from the previous comments,
      Im a little surprised at the remarks RE price.
      You can pay that for a top of the line Terry AWDT Ghia.

      But in saying that the offers they put on the Terry sure make it the better valued by a fair bit

      Yep,
      And that woodgrain is getting old.
      So many different materials used by others which also give a classy/executive feeling

    • hiredgoon

      I reckon some on here are just going on what they read in other articles, (appologies to those who actually drive the cars). “Yeah I haven’t actually driven it but ive read lots and lots about it which is just as good so I’ll offer my opinion and try to sound clever”. If you actually look at some repeat posters they have driven everything on the market. “Yes when I drove the M5 i found it understeered more at the limit compared to the 911 turbo I was in last week” Keyboard warriors

    • phillip

      3 big problems with the this car as I see it:
      - the wood highlights in the console of the Grande model are so off-puttingly cheap that when I sat in one I couldn’t bring myself to touch it;
      - the middle seat cannot fit 3 car seats across it (due to the tiny middle seat issue mentioned above). Most if not all of its competitors can;
      - for a 70k car it looks mediocre. Not ugly but from the outside it’s hard to see where the extra 25k comes from;
      - it’s called a Kluger, an awkward-sounding name that doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. It’s a pity Toyota couldn’t get the Highlander name used in all other countries.

    • Golfschwein

      That’s the worst looking wood grain I’ve seen in my life.

    • Gilly

      If there is no need for the 7 seats a Murano Ti is a better option for $10k less!

    • DesignEng©™

      Gilly, I don’t need seven seats, but I do want to tow more than the measely 1600kg that the Murano can. Therefore it’s not on my list eather.

    • realcars

      The original Kluger was the basis for the Lexus i.e same AWD system and platform etc etc.

      The new Kluger is based on a Camry platform and the AWD system is predominately FWD now in similar manner to Xtrail,CRV etc and is no longer a proper fulltime AWD system as such which would make it a lot cheaper to manufacture compared to the old Kluger and Lexus system.

      Territory AWD is a proper fulltime AWD system like Lexus, Subaru etc.

      Another example of Toyota asking more for less.

      • JR

        No it isnt , it’s full time awd .

    • The Realist

      Andrew M Says:
      August 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
      “And that woodgrain is getting old. So many different materials used by others which also give a classy/executive feeling”

      And no Australian made Ford products among them.

    • realcars

      For anyone wanting to tow ask what the tow ball load is as many vehicles can pull 2000kgs but the load the rear of the car can bare via the tow ball pushing down is often insufficient to cope with the tow ball weight of a large trailer or van.

      Territory being based on Falcon and even stronger has approx 200kg tow ball weight.

      • JR

        The ball weight on a Kluger is 200kg , every Toyota’s ball weight is 10% of the towing capacity.

    • Bor’ka

      Firstly, 70K for this car is atleast 10K over priced if not all 20K. Compare this to top spec CX-9, Tribeca, Murano. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter how good it isif its overpriced.

      Secondly, it is being compared to Nissan’s Pathfinder, why? The Pathfinder is a 4WD comparable to the Prado, where as, Kluger and Murano are AWD. Two quite different things.

    • DesignEng©™

      Realcars, yes the Kluger is based off the Camry platform and in 2wd models is FRONT WD.
      However the AWD is a fulltime system. Still doesn’t seem to help it’s poor on-road manners though.

      • Andy

        Do you mean Aurion platform ?

        • Adrian

          Andy, contrary to what Toyota want you to think, Aurion is just the Camry, with some minor exterior cosmetic changes and a V6 engine. There are NO structural or dimensional diferences. They are the same car, just like how a Calais is a Commodore – might look a little different, but still the same car.

    • Gilly

      DesignEng©™ Says:
      August 7th, 2009

      Yes correct, even the X-Trail has a 2000kg tow rating so the towing aspect of the Murano is pretty lame. I own a Murano but I will be the first to say the best all-rounder would have to be the Territory although it has dated compared with its fresher Japanese competitors.

    • maximark

      My brother has one of these Grande AWD and he paid $61G for it driveaway,brand new. I drove a few times, and quite like it. It has a lot of power for its size and not too heavy on fuel either. I think it’s worth for $61G consider its reliabibility, and its resale value.It’s cheap to run compare to other midsize SUVs too, as Toyota has fix service. The only thing I don’t like is the rear seat,it wouldnt fit 3 adults because of the centre arm rest. My Xtrail also has the centre arm rest for the rear passenger and wouldn’t fit 3 adults either, I don’t like this idea, it’s just very uncomfortalble for the middle passenger of the rear seats, even for a kid.

    • tekkyy

      actually looks alright

      $66k is expensive but I don’t think Toyota cares, sales of luxury models are not really significant

      lol Hill Descent Control? what’s a car like that supposed to do with it?

    • 5 star kluger

      The kluger is a stand out in this category nothing comes close to it! my sister & brother in law bought a kx-r awd 7 seater model and i went with them looking at the competition, the mazda looks good but at the expence of interior space “way to small” for a family of 5, the subaru tribeca is down right ugly and the ford territory is a dinosour compared to the kluger drives like a dinosour looks like a dinasour and has no power for a 4.0 litre 0-100 in 9.6 sec what a joke! great writeup “matt” the kluger is the quickest here and my brother in law is getting less than 10.lt per 100km highway driving another great toyota product, built tuff and goes great and i am sure will have the typical toyota resale value where as the ford will be worth nothing in 12 montha time!by far the best in this class!

      • keith

        totally agree
        Fantastic room and comfort esp in the back and I tow a horse float alot and it goes brilliantly. Small fuel tank when towing is very annoying though

    • BlueMan

      5 Star, to suggest that Territory drives like a dinosaur compared to the Kluger just proves that either (a) you haven’t driven them, or (b) you have no idea of what driving dynamics are, because the Territory is such a superior vehicle to drive than the Kluger it is almost nonsence to even compare them.

      And BTW have you looked at the values of 4 yo Territory’s? Holding their value very well thank you very much.

      Sory but you totaly discredited your entire biased rant all on your own.

    • Steve-Poyza

      I think I’m weird because I liked the original Tribeca. You know, before they facelifted it? It was the only SUV on the market that didn’t look generic. I’m not saying that most SUV’s are bland (don’t get me wrong, a lot of them are), I’m simply saying that they are styled to fit in rather than stand out which I guess is a good thing sometimes. I see too many Klugers on the streets, which is the main reason I wouldn’t get one.

    • 5 star kluger

      “blueman” i sure did drive the territory so what planet are you from it drives a pig, it was gutless compared to the kluger and after i drove it my brother in law drove it and we both came away with the same opinion it’s a dinasour! come on get real it’s 0-100kph time is the slowest in this class and with a 4.0 litre engine what a joke and for styling its “use by date” is way overdue!

    • Simon

      If 0-100 was your only concern in this category then you’d get a turbo territory.

    • Tom

      ^^^Which is cheaper, and better equiped.

    • Al Juraj

      This is a decent ride. It’s practical, goes off the beaten track and is reliable unlike others. It may not drive like an X5, but you don’t buy a family mover and expect it to behave like a sports car. Besides, the BMW costs twice as much.

    • http://www.rearviewed.com rearviewed

      Yeah, decent and I think just practical. Nowadays, we should really pose on spending too much.

    • http://caradvice Louiedfly

      I have had the old model kluger since 2005. My husband wanted me to update but I found the new kluger to be much bigger looking and would feel like I was driving a truck. I finally gave in and went and test drove one. Wasn’t that impressed with it. I wanted the keyless entry feature and could only have that in the GRANDE which was fine but that meant that I couldn’t have the ipod AUX option on the stereo because of the sat nav and reverse camera in the GRANDE. Asked the dealer to find out if they could put an IPOD AUX option in it for me and some 2mths later I am still waiting to hear back from them……too late TOYOTA I’ve now gone and ordered a VOLVO XC60 with all the bells and whistles, can’t wait to drive it. They let me test drive it overnight and I parked 100′s of KM’s on it, TOYOTA made me feel like and inconvenience to test drive the thing and they had to come with me and barely even got to drive the thing. TOUGH LUCK TOYOTA after driving them all my life I am now about to become a VOLVO driver, with the hat!

    • DesignEng©™

      5 Star,
      So you reckon that you drove a Territory & Kluger back to back? And that brief drive didn’t comprehensively convince you that the Territory, whilst slower in straight line, isn’t a totally better allround thing to drive???

    • 5 star kluger

      “louiedfly” i would say that’s a dealer issue NOT A TOYOTA ISSUE! the dealer my sister bought from was fantastic nothing was a problem, they are a country queensland dealer.

    • 5 star kluger

      You are right “designeng” it didn’t convince me or my sister or my brother in law! but to be far we did drive the kluger first, no comparision really!To be honest i liked the mazda cx-9 but it is way to small inside the kluger was the most spacious inside!

    • DesignEng©™

      Why not? Pre-conceived ideas too strong, brand bias too great to overcome or maybe you just can’t tell what steers well and what is just average, because the Territory is the far better drive. Anybody who has any idea about vehicle dynamics, including the motoring journalist “experts” all agree.

    • kluger rules

      “designeng” what makes you an expert? if i didn’t like the territory to drive that’s my choice not yours! Stick to your oval badge and leave the large majority of australians to buy the better product “toyota” i believe it is in this case! And if i was in the market to buy a SUV 7 seat family car (i am only single)after reading this caradvice article i would buy the kluger, so go argue with “matt” i am sure he knows more than you!

    • Alex

      Wow! I didn’t realise how much these things cost! Who in their right mind would pay almost $70,000 for a Toyota? Especially one with such a cheap feeling interior (yes I have driven one) and such mediocre dynamics. I’m no fan of the Territory but it least it’s much cheaper.
      But for this money, how could you go past the CX-9? It looks way better, has a much better engine, a higher quality interior, it will hold it’s value better and it handles quite well. I’m aware that you can get cheaper Klugers, so it’s only if you were to buy a “Grande” (why not “Grand”?) model that you could bring the CX-9 into it but it doesn’t change the fact that for what it is, it’s not very good value.

    • art

      What an ugly over priced piece of crap. Faux luxury for fools.

    • DesignEng©™

      Sick of retyping valid, on-topic comments, so here it is:

      Motoring journalists around Australia pretty much all agree that Territory handles better than Kluger.

      My 11 day test of each backs that up!

    • Simon

      Moderated comment repost:

      Sixty-six-and-a-half thousand dollars!!!!

      for a camry wagon!!!!

      Can you imagine telling people over a BBQ how much you paid for your “Kluger”!?!?

    • MAtt

      That faux wood is awful! Especially for a 70k car

    • Speedbird

      First of all, 70k for a Toyota!!!

      I am sorry but lets forget about the looks for a second. If you are after a reliable car that can carry a few in comfort then look at a Tarago.

      The Tribeca, CX-9, and Territory are much much better to drive. As mentioned the understeer in the Kluger is very noticable.

      What Toyota have here is a car that non-car fans can ‘join the club’ with all the other soft roaders.

    • http://caradvice Louiedfly

      5 Star Kluger yes it is a dealer thing but still, the dealers represent TOYOTA and they obviously weren’t interested in selling an existing toyota owner the new model. Over to the Territory v’s Kluger, before we bought our 04 model we hired a territory in NZ and drove it for 2 weeks, what better test drive could you ask for. It had just under 10 000 K’s on the clock and the noises that it made and the gear box was as rough as, I know it was a hire car but still……….we got back to oz and read a review on it and the reviewer had driven one with just over 20 000k’s on it and he said that he could feel every one of the k’s on it! A work collegue of my husband bought a territory when we bought our kluger and the first time he put the driver’s window down to get his parking ticket the whole window shattered into a thousand pieces. That was enough to cement any thoughts that we had definately bought the right car.
      Now I look forward to when my VOLVO comes off the boat in Oct!

    • DesignEng©™

      OK 5 star,
      - I never claimed to be an “expert”, but some 30+ years experience, I do have a good idea of what vehicle dynamics are.
      - Virtually all of the motoring journo “experts” agree that the Territory is still a handling benchmark that newer vehicles, such as the Kluger still don’t match.
      - I have owned just as many Toyotas as Fords, and seriously evaluated the Kluger for my needs, so there is no brand bias from me in this situation.
      - It is purely your opinion that the Kluger may be the better product, many, including the industry experts, dissagree.
      - Mediia test drives, the likes of which #articles like this a written from, are often no more than a day. How long did you drive each for? 10, 20 minutes. Personally I hired each for 11 days to get a realistic test drive experience without a salesman looking over my shoulder.
      - I didn’t see where Matt said the Kluger drove better than a Territory. This is a “review” not a “comparison” after all, so I don’t think that I am arguing with Matt.
      - If a “7 seater” family SUV was your primary objective, the Kluger is a better option than Territory because the 3rd row of seats are better, BUT if you want a family vehicle that can provide the flexibility and functionality of an SUV and still be pleasent & safe to drive EVERY DAY, the the Territory beats the Kluger hands down.

    • the specialist

      Why is it that everyone seems to think the kluger range starts at $70k? that my friends is the top line grande model, the kluger starts at $45k right up to $70k for the very well equipped grande and whoever said that a ford territory drives better than the kluger is from another planet, the territory is a old vehicle with a antiquated motor right out of the jurassic period, drive one for anything more than 10,000km and they start to whine and fall apart! kluger is by far the best in this catergory!

    • jp

      Trying to decide between the base model territory and base model kluger as a family car this week. all inclusive 2 year lease so not concerned about resale. My wife and I have driven both, and I must say that I felt the seats and the drive of the territory was noticably better to me. the kluger has a better safety rating and we both reckon it looks a little better from outside and is a little better looking inside too. The reverse camera on the base model is a nice touch. Its a tough decision to go with the car that’s less pleasing to drive, but looks like we are heading that way. anyone able to talk us around to the territory?

    • BlueMan

      The Kluger will make you feel good in keeping up with the Jones’by having the newer model, however after living with the thing for a while it will pee you off.
      Personally I would go for the vehicle that is comfortable to drive over the term of your lease.
      Fuel costs will be lineball, with the Territory in front if you do more country km’s.

    • Bloke

      ^^agree, buy the car for you, not to impress someone else.
      Territory is the better long term drive.

      • http://caradvice.com.au gk

        the ford Territory only one thing to say i mean fords in general looks, finish, quality they dont have it just look at the falcons new models looks plastic an a quik design to stay in the market and did i say cheap and the rattles are free say no more!!!!!

    • http://austcaradvice Rosemary

      How is the Territory a better long term drive, they breakdown all the time like most Ford’s. Toyota’s soldier on, often without fault.

    • John

      Based on what evidence Rosemary ? I think you need to come out of the fog !

    • Bloke

      Rosemary,
      Ive had 3 Falcons, all made it to 300,000km with no dramas.
      Ive also had 4 Toyotas:
      Hilux belched smoke from 120,000km
      T18 great car, sold it at 180,000km
      Corolla engine failure at 168,000km
      Corona engine failure at 136,000km

      All 7 vehicles driven similarly and serviced as per manufacturers recommendatitons.

      As far as better long term, I geuss he means the comfort and drveability of the Terry vs the jittery ride and truck like handling of the Kluger.

      • KFC

        Bloke I agree , I have driven both kluger and territory and I would not pay the extra money for a kluger it’s not worth it . The kluger feels like a freek’n brick , I’m not sure what toyota has done with the suspension in the kluger but It’s does not feel comfortable when cornering at all.
        I did not find the kluger to better on fuel , both cars where thirsty, but most veichles in this class are really. Toyota need a reality check or reduce there build cost some how to enable them to compete.$58-66K is in a similar price range to a full sized 4WD albeit a base model.Ford has proven motors that last , so a few extra cup holders and a removeable seat doesn’t make a lick of difference .

    • http://bfdu2rnk Ian Mansfield

      I have a Ford person all my life I am over 50yrs of age hold a qld. licence to drive almost anything .and covered most roads in Aust. When choosing a new AWD vehicle I tested most AWD. vehicles ford territory included .The worst vehicle I drove was a subaru .However The best vehicle was the 200 series Landcruiser. But my wife didnot want to go that big .So we test drove the AWD. Kluger which is the best vehicle within that price range .Our Kluger is due for its 10000klm service within a few days and I can honestly say we are more then happy with the choice we made.So if you are thinking along the lines of this type of vehicle test drive a Kluger you will not be disappointed . And the service we received from our C.Q. Toyota agent has been fantastic not that we have had to bother them but they give us a curtesy call often just to see if we have any worries.No I donot work for Toyota and Iam not associated with them in anyway . I am in a Govt/ Dept where I cannot speak anything but the truth .All I am saying is before you make your final decision make sure you test drive the latest TOYOTA KLUGER AWD. Yours Mano

    • mok

      My husband bought me one this week and I can’t wait to drive the Toyota Kluger Grande in three weeks time.

    • Joseph

      TOYOTA KLUGER WATCH OUT ! The new Kia Sorento Platinum DESIGNED by former Audi head designer and fitted with the the excellent 2.2 Common Rail Turbo Diesel engine
      (147KW @ 3800 RPM and whooping 436 Nm @ 1800 – 2500 Nm ) just landed in Australia.

      The Kia Sorento Platinum is full AWD, has 7 leather seats, panoramic sunroof, 18 ‘ wheels,5 years unlimited warranty and the price is less than $49.000

      It’s a compact SUV , looks and drive better than the Kluger.

      • Mike

        Kluger Grande all the way. Love it :)

    • Kumar

      Own the Toytoa Kluger KX-S 2WD as AWD was not needed. Before Buying test drove all three Kluger, Territory and Mazda CX-9. All of them have the goods and bads. Territory feels nice to drive because it is RWD however it does not support MP3 and only 4 spekers.There is not enough space to put seven people and definetly not 7 ADULTS, the rear seats or built for 5 year olds. Uses a lot of petrol as well. Mazda CX-9 looks nice and has lots of features but does not come in 2WD has lots of space even with 3rd row seats up and also the only one with 50:50 rear seats. However it is a huge car, does not have split tailgate and drinks petrol like water. Ended up going with the Kluger because of its Five star ANCAP rating with seven airbags and all those driver assisting features. Kluger uses less petrol than the other two and had lots of space in the back row but the middle row seat is uncomfortable it the middle row seats are not lined up properly. The kluger is a nice family car and comes with lots of features for a good price.

      • kb8bl3g0

        yup, typical adv from toyota employee

        • Kumar

          I’m not a toyota employee and i am not advertise the kluger. We only choose the Kluger because my wife wanted it. Personally i like the ford territory better because of its superior handling.

    • waminda

      we took one for a test drive yesterday – up macquarie pass. the car ticked a lot of boxes and we were about to commit to one….
      But the ride, going up the pass, caused my wife to be car sick :(
      unexpected turn of events and has forced us away from the kluger

    • http://www.carsales.com.au Dave

      Unfortunately we dont get alot for our money here in ozland. Build quality not real flash in any of the vehicles mentioned above, maybe the volvo (but not a great fan of anything coming out of that part of the world to do with cars). Cheap plastics, cheap leathers (if it actual real leather ofcse) and mechanically, you would have to put that on the toyota, with their impressive history of 4×4, you get that with toyota I guess. Sit long enough in any of these cars and you will soon feel the cheapness of what bonds all these vehicles in one big pile of trash. What we need is some good quality german type quality built into these cars. If you want class and feel you wont go past the vw, bmw or merc range of suvs. This is what all other suvs get compared with and to be real about it, if you have the money get a newby of these, if you dont go for a 2nd hand with low k,s plenty of those around. Dont get sucked into buying this rubbish, go german imports, class, comfort, performance and feel…guaranteed.

      • Peter S

        Two to three years old second hand BMW X5, Mercedes – Benz ML class or Audi Q7 with approximately 60.000 kms on the odometer is still more expensive than brand new top of the line Kluger Grande AWD.

        The expensive services for these German cars usually start when they hit 60.000 kms. Keep on your mind that services and parts are expensive because the second hand car is at the end of the factory warranty or their warranty has already expired. There are a lot of issues in terms of reliability and quality as none of these famous German brands including VW Touareg is actually made in Germany.

        BMW X5 and Mercedes – Benz ML class are made in USA, Audi Q7 is assembled in Slovakia, engine is made in Hungary and VW Touareg is made in Czech Republic.

        Toyota Kluger Grande is made in Japan, and for the price of second hand “so called” German car you can get brand new reliable and safe Japanese car with 3 years warranty and definitely cheaper parts and services.

        If you are really concerned about your image than buy a second hand Bemo or MB but the wise man will buy a new Toyota.

    • Brett

      Soon to buy something for long holiday trips and around city. I’ve noticed no comments re the Mitsubishi Challenger – any feedback on this vehicle? My wife loves the look of the Kluger but am a bit concerned with fuel cost and wish they’d made a deisel model. Size is important so Kluger is favourite at the moment compared to others plus Territory can’t do sunroofs due to electrics in the roof apparently so it’s out. Any UNBIASED feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    • Millatime

      How long before you buy a car? Diesel Territory is out in the second half of the year and word is it will have huge glass roof. The diesel engine is powerful and yet fuel efficient and did a great job in Discovery. Europeans lead the world with diesel technology, and although the European designed and built Territory diesel is not the newest, it is an economical and also proven and durable design with big power and especially torque outputs for a Territory size vehicle.

      Challenger is a wagon version of the Triton, with different more compliant rear suspension. Challenger has a low range transfer case, unlike Kluger and Territory, so is very capable off road if you plan to do any.

    • Brett

      Will probably wait til December and pick up something in the end of year deals or a demo. I’m not a big fan of the territory to be honest, it looks pretty boring and have heard it has issues after 20,000 kms with rattles etc.
      We’ll be doing mostly long highway driving (ie Vic to Qld/NT) for holidays with the occassional off-road stuff but predominately good roads so wonder if the Challenger would be the right choice or pay the extra for fuel and go the comfort of the Kluger?
      The Sorento is apparently a good car with great fuel consumption but might be a tad small. Any advice from anyone?

    • Brett

      After seeing the Mitsubishi Challenger I’ve changed my mind on the Kluger and can’t fault it. A lot better fuel economy and a much better 4×4 – looks great too!

    • cfc

      Was looking at either a Territory or this. In the end we bought the Territory for a number of reasons, one because the faux-wood is so ugly, there was a Ssangyong at the same dealer which had better-looking wood. I really don’t know why Toyota or any Japanese manufacturer bothers with their cheap wood in the top models. It is supposed to look premium but it just ruins the whole interior.

    • Brett

      I’ve done a total backflip and decided to buy the new turbo diesel Forester which comes out in a month or two. For around $44k it has all the luxuries we want,(including a huge moonroof) with plenty of power to tow a camper-trailer and the fuel econemy is fantastic and is so good to drive! It’s a bit smaller than the Challenger and Kluger but we’ve only got two small kids so is fine for us.The only drawback for some is it’ll only come in a manual but too be honest I think that just adds to the driving pleasure of this car. Counting down the days….

      • martin

        The diesel vs petrol engine debate has been reignited many times.

        The bottom line is that diesel cars are more expensive than equivalent petrol and on average the price difference is $2000 – $3000. No doubt that you will get much better fuel consumption but think of the higher price of diesel fuel (more expensive than E10 or 95 ULP). In order to justify the higher price you’ve paid you have to do at least 150.000 kilometres. By that time you will probably start thinking of replacing your old car.

        The real benefit of your higher purchase price will go to the new owner of your second hand diesel car who will reap off all benefits. Thank you mate, you’re so generous.

        • Andy

          The new Euro VI diesel fuel ( < 5 ppm) coming to Australia next year. I am just wondering what would be the price of this fuel which is recommended for the latest common rail turbo diesel engines.

    • Joe

      If you push dealer you can get Kluger Grande 2WD for $56K drive away – 2010 model. That is an excellent value for money. There are many gadgets included in this price – just to name a few – voice control Sat/Nav, Bluetooth, moonroof, 7 leather seats, rear camera, DVD player front/rear with remote and wireless headphoens…..
      The V6 engine matted with 5 speed transmission is the same as in more expensive Lexus RX 350 and with acceleration 0-100km.h in 8 sec. I can tell you this car is really quick. My previous car Golf GTi was only 1 second quicker!

      I was considering Ford Territory or Mazda CX9 however Toyota reliability and reputation shifted my decision towards Kluger. Inside this car looks more expensive than it is and without exaggeration Kluger interior is the world class.

      I think that Mercedes Benz ML class and BMW X5 should learn something from Toyota Kluger Grande considering the price difference between their vehicles and Kluger.

      • nickdl

        Sorry, can’t agree with you. The Kluger interior, mainly the Grande, is awful. That’s being complimentary. The woodgrain is disgusting and doesn’t fit in with the rest of the car. I quite like the lower models’ interiors but the woodgrain spoils an otherwise Ok car.

        The Territory may be dated but it is still great value and has a fantastic engine and transmission. Fuel consumption in the real world is better than the Kluger thanks to the low-down torque. As for reliability, the early issues have been all but ironed out.

        The CX9 is as, if not more, reliable than the Kluger. It has a much nicer interior, is more spacious and better to drive.

        • Joe

          Toyota Kluger is a big 7 seats, two tonnes SUV. In terms of vehicle size and the engine power this car is similar to Ford Territory, Mazda CX9, Mitsubishi Pajero or Subary Tribeca.

          In terms of equipment and of course size and engine power is very close to luxury SUV’s like Lexus RX350, Volvo X90, BMW X5 3.0i, VW Touareg.

          Ford Territory engine is carried over from Ford falcon and is basically developed from the SOHC I6s produced between 1988 and 2002. There is nothing exciting about this slightly modified engine concept. On contrary Toyota all alloy V6 is newly developed quad-cam Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) engine , EURO IV compliant. This is a completely different concept and although I do not underestimate Ford’s engine Toyota is more modern.

          It is really hard to resist the current prices for Toyota Kluger Grande. I understand now why smart people choose Toyota Kluger Grande. Think reliability, safety, cheap and fixed services, resale value, and level of equipment close and definitely better than some luxury SUVs.

          Toyota Kluger staying alive simply because people keep buying them.

          • nickdl

            What does it matter if Ford’s engine isn’t as modern? It delivers more torque from much lower revs, meaning the fuel consumption is better on paper, and better still in the real world than the Kluger.

      • Peter S

        $56 K drive away price for a brand new Kluger Grande is basically Toyota fleet customer price. This is probably run out sale as the new facelifted model is due to hit Toyota dealership later this week (08/10/2010).

        I don’t know why Ford USA continue to treat us like a third world country. What we will get in 2011 is outdated 2.7 litre V6 engine from Land Rover made by Lion Diesel engines , PSA Peugeot Citroën. This engine was developed almost 10 years ago.

        Compared with the 2.7 TDV6 engine the 3.0 TDV6’s new 3.0-litre twin-turbo six-cylinder diesel engine delivers 29 per cent more peak power (180kW at the same 4000rpm) and some 36 per cent more torque, with a class-leading 600Nm on tap from 2000rpm – just 100rpm higher than in the 2.7.
        The 3.0 V6 is a gem, a world class TDi engine which can compete with new BMW X5 , Merc ML or Audi Q7.

        • Ummmm

          … it’s basically the same engine enlarged 300cc.
          The 2.7 will perform brilliantly in the lighter Territory. It will deliver all of the performance needed and brilliant economy as well.

    • Jonathon

      I was keen on buying Volkswagen Touareg V6 3.0 TDi I went other day to Barloworld Volkswagen dealership at Mascot. I had a test drive and I was really impressed with drivability thank to huge torque generated by turbo-diesel engine although car was slower than petrol Kluger.
      The car that I’ve tested was standard model and the level of equipment was disappointing. I wanted sunroof, sat/nav, electric rear door, 19 inch wheels and dealer quoted $94.759 – drive away price.
      I think that was way too much considering that Kluger Grande comes with all these things as a standard and for $30.000 less. I am inclined towards buying Toyota Kluger.

      Any thoughts or suggestions ?

      • Tested it

        If driving dynamics are anywhere on you’re wish-list, cross off the Kluger – it drives like a truck around town, is nervous on the open road and understeers like there’s no tomorrow.
        Passengers are also more likely to get motion sickness on longer trips.
        Fuel consumption in real world conditions is also quite poor, even for a car it’s size – this is because of the lack of low down torque of the V6, which needs revs to be anything at all, and high revs equals high fuel usage.

        Do yourself a favour, hire one for a couple of weeks – you will be convinced that it is NOT the right choice.

        Personally, I wanted something to tow our van, but still be an everyday driver. The Kluger sux as a daily driver. I’m waiting on the Diesel Territory and looking at used Freelnder 2′s before deciding.

      • Michael

        Mate,

        Do not worry much about dynamics. All small and mid-size SUVs are made for limited speed city driving and stop – start driving from one to another traffic light. If you are serious about off-road you think Toyota Prado TD or king of the bush – Toyota Landcruiser V8 Turbo Diesel.

        BMW X5 is nice car but I think that Bemos are OVEPRICED. BMW X5 is made in USA and the price there starts from U$ 42,000. Can someone explain to me why we are paying $100.000 for the same car here?

        At least Toyota’s prices in USA are similar to the prices here in Australia and the new facelifted Toyota Kluger Grande looks better inside than $80.000 new VW Touareg.

    • Fred

      TOYOTA Kluger Grande is a premium SUV. It shares its underpinnings with the Lexus RX 350 and is powered by the same 3.5 V6 all-alloy quad-cam engine. Inside you can fell Lexus-like ambience. It’s no exaggeration. The excellent fit and finish of the interior is perhaps the most visible evidence that Kluger is made in Japan. There are no unseemly gaps, no mismatched plastics, no mysterious rattles. It all feels like each part grew into place, butting up seamlessly with its neighbour and locking itself in. The vaultlike ‘thunk’ of the Kluger’s doors closing remained me of my old Audi A4.
      The Ford Territory Ghia AWD, Mitsubishi Outlander VRX Luxury and Subaru Forester XT Premium are all cheaper than the Kluger Grande, but none can match it for its quality feel and rock-steady driving dynamics. The car that comes closest is the Volkswagen Touareg V6 FSI, but given its $74,990 purchase price ( before options) the Kluger is a bargain in comparison.
      No, I am not Toyota employee. I am health care professional and this is my third Toyota vehicle.
      ( owned Toyota Yaris and Corolla previously)

      I hope this answered your question.

      • Jabba the Hutt

        I didn’t see anyone ask if you work for toyota! The car is grossly overpriced and as bland as they come.

      • nickdl

        Is anyone in your family a Toyota employee?

        The Territory and Forester are all vastly superior when it comes to driving dynamics. The evidence of the Kluger being made in Japan comes in the awful woodgrain in the Grande interior. If that’s Lexus like ambience then I really doubt Lexus will last long in the luxury car market.

        Just wait until the EcoBoost and diesel Territory come out next year. In addition to the Barra I6 beating the Toyota V6 in just about all areas, the new engines with the new interior will completely outclass the Kluger.

        • Gillian

          The Australian People Have Spoken!

          Look at the recent sales figures. Toyota was the top selling marque in July with 17,250 sales; followed by Holden with 10,648, then Ford with 7,375 units. Mazda, with 7,374 sales, missed out on being in the top three by just one unit.

          SUV sales way up with all other segments except heavy commercial posting increased sales on July 2010 figures.

          Holden Commodore (3783)
          Mazda3 (3464)
          Toyota Corolla (3375)
          Toyota Hilux (3106)
          Ford Falcon (2342)
          Hyundai i30 (2333)
          Holden Cruze (2179)
          Mitsubishi Lancer (2177)
          Toyota Camry (2095)
          Toyota Yaris (1697)

          The top-selling compact SUV was the Subaru Forester. Next best was the Toyota RAV4 (977), Mazda CX-7 and Mitsubishi Outlander (701).

          In the medium SUV segment, Toyota was the top selling marquee with 2235 sales in July.

          Toyota Prado (1194 )
          Holden’s Captiva (1315 units)
          Kluger (1041 )
          Ford’s locally made Territory came fourth (867)

          • nickdl

            The Australian people have spoken more recently in August!

            Medium SUV segment:
            Captiva (1317) [cheap piece of crap]
            Prado (1253) [different sort of car to the others, more of an off-roader]
            Territory (1093)
            Kluger (990)

            Don’t use sales figures from Wheels magazine, they’re outdated…

            • Freddy

              I can not believe that so many Holden ( Kia) CRAPTIVAS has been sold in August.

    • Gillian

      Sorry I forgot this..

      SUV Sales Drive New Car Market Higher In August
      Official VFACTS data released by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) showed that 82,122 passenger cars, SUVs and commercial vehicles were sold in August, up 12.1 per cent (or 8,835 vehicles) on the same month in 2009.

      “This is a strong August result with sales of SUVs showing a particularly healthy increase,” FCAI Chief Executive Andrew McKellar said.

      “The figures show sales to private buyers remain solid (up 20.9%) and there has been a lift in new car purchases by government fleets (up 21.7%),” Mr McKellar said.

      “There is no evidence in the August data to suggest customers were distracted from their normal buying habits due to the election and the current political uncertainty,” he said.

      The SUV segment was the strongest performer during August, recording an increase of 32.5 per cent; followed by light commercials (up 22.6 per cent) and then passenger cars (up 3.5 per cent).

      Toyota was the top selling marque in August with 16,633 sales; followed by Holden with 11,146, then Ford with 8,212 units.

      • Ummmm

        ^^ This has very little relevance either to the article or the question posed above, only to reinforce that the Kluger is down the list of choice of most buyers.

        Buy on the car that YOU like to drive – bugger what the neighbours think. Kluger fails miserably in this regard.

    • Gerald

      I was driving many diesel cars in Europe. They are fairly represented there because diesel fuel is much cheaper in Europe and USA. In some countries diesel fuel is subsided by Government.

      The diesel 4WD is the best option for large vehicle intended to tow a heavy load.

      If you ask me about Ford Territory or Toyota Kluger diesel I have to say that I can not see a huge benefit for drivers. The diesel vehicle is going to be at least $2000 more expensive and the cost of the service of diesel cars is significantly higher. The price of diesel fuel here in Australia is higher than the premium petrol. The quality of diesel fuel is another issue. All new diesel cars are fitted with PDF filter to reduce the air pollution and the current level of particle in diesel fuel is around 500 ppm of sulphur. There is a trend to bring the quality of diesel fuel with the Euro V standards – Ultra low sulphur Diesel ( 50 ppm S ) from 2011. There is no doubt that this improvement in quality of diesel fuel will bring prices up and do not be surprised to see new Euro V diesel significantly more expensive than premium 98 petrol. In the Australian market diesel is often more expensive than petrol as diesel prices are not discounted to the same extent as petrol prices. Much less diesel is sold and thus dealers concentrate on petrol discounting to drive overall fuel sales volumes and associated shop sales.

      Other reality is that Government does not want to encourage you to buy a diesel car for various reasons. The first one is pollution and concern for the environment. The second reason is very complex to explain in a few sentences. A significant proportion of diesel fuel is used exclusively for Government fleet (buses – public transport and trucks). Commercial users of diesel in Australia pay significantly less than the retail price. The diesel excise is at fixed cents per litre rate of 38.143 cents per litre. Diesel excise revenue actually falls as volumes fall. Any increase in consumption and volume of course will put an extra pressure on Government thorough the increase of price of diesel fuel.

      The modern petrol Di ( Direct Injection) engine like those in Toyota Kluger 3.5 V6 VVi Di, VW Touareg/ Audi Q7 3.6 FSI are tuned for 91 octane fuel which is significantly cheaper than diesel. Considering all above mentioned facts I do not think that diesel version of medium SUV such as Territory or Kluger will be a great success.

    • Graham

      No car manufacturer on this planet can match German & Japanese cars in term of quality and finish. I went other day to test drive new Subaru Forrester and inside look was so appalling. The interior is made of cheap plastic which looks worse than $2 Chinese plastic toy.
      Considering Toyota’s quality, reliability, resale value and price of ownership this brand is probably the best value for money. I was in market for mid-size luxury SUV and I compared the new petrol Kluger Grande with petrol VW Touareg, Volvo XC 90 and even with X5 and ML class. Frankly speaking, except the price, they are pretty much the same boxy 4×4.
      To get all gizmos that are standard on Kluger Grande for $65.000 drive away ( voice controlled Sat Nav, DVD player, Bluetooth, 7 leather seats, rear camera, sunroof, electric everything including rear door, 19 inch alloy wheels, privacy glass and so on ), you have to fork out $100.000 +
      The smart people buy Toyota however if you are concerned about your image go for Bemos or Merc.

    • paul

      It is basically the same vehicle as Lexus RX 350 as they share the same platform, 3.6 V6 engine and 5 speed sport transmission. Needless to say that Kluger has 7 seats, towing capacity of 2000 kg and the price is significantly lower than Lexus. ( ($20 K less)
      Without exaggeration I can say that with the level of equipment, quality , reliability and certainly PRICE Kluger can beat many petrol powered European competitors.

    • vrooom

      Toyota is leaned towards bringing here Toyota Kluger hybrid and Toyota diesel models in Australia are definitely ruled out. Even in Europe the diesel cars are not popular as they used to be in the past due to emergence of new high-tech turbo and supercharged petrol engines. As usual we are behind the rest of the world.

      It will be battle between Ford Territory turbo-diesel VS. Toyota Kluger Hybrid. I am sure that taxes for hybrid cars would be significantly lower considering that this car is partially powered by clean and renewable energy.

    • banana310

      After reading all your comments there is one thing missing.Its the nissan murano! Although only a five seater it leaves the kluger ,territory,trebcia and cx9 in its wake and not to mention the captiva. Who in their right mind would buy that picece of rubbish ? have people gone mad ? or is it the hole-den badge ? The murano has the best interior ,best engine by far ,handels the best and goes better than all of them. Although not crash tested in Australia it was done in the US and was best in its class so if you dont care about 7 seats this is the only one to buy its years ahead of the rest.

      • KFC

        Banan310 have you driven all the others?

      • nickdl

        It is a good car however the Murano is very ugly at the front. It has even less off-road ability than its competitors as well. It’s a bit hard to recommend a Murano to Captiva buyers since it’s a lot more expensive, albeit better all round.

    • San

      this is the best suv i have ever come past, and i think you should by it.

    • Allan

      I’m sure that most cars in this class are nice to drive and I am not going to say any of them are crap.

      I chose the Kluger for a number of reasons over the Territory… one being 2nd Hand KXR (base model) Klugers 2 yo with 60k on the clock are around $32k. Territory of same specs and wear about $22k. No brainer.

      Unfortunatley Ford fans the Territory has poor resale value… like most Australian built cars. Not saying its a bad car but when it comes time to sell it…

      It’s easy for the Ford fans to bag something because it’s not a Ford but the Toyota is a nice vehicle guys and gals.

      I suppose the most important thing is you are happy with what you drive.

    • http://BMWM3 Peter

      Why is everyone still buying SUV’s. Pick up a wagon! Faster,cheaper, more cargo space, more fuel efficient. Drives like a car – not like a truck. Geez, even a sportswagon looks better inside than this. Of if you have to have 4×4, how about a Skoda Superb Wagon. Both would blow the socks of any suv.

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au/36046/toyota-kluger-review-road-test/ Shelley

      I would not reccomend anyone to purchase this car as any form of a ’7 Seater family car” as this is nothing but a total lie!
      I purchased a 2009 Kluger last year under false information informed about. I needed a car to transport 5 children under the age of 7 in for my business, and as you all know the children restraint laws now mean any child under 7 must be in a restraint and when i was researching this car along with many others i found A they could not house children restraints in the 3rd row or there was a weight limit on the 3 row seating. so i checked this info out with our dealership and was informed by all means you can put children restraints in the third row. yup what a load of rubbish i have just discovered!, after saving up the money required to purchase 5 children restraints and purchasing them, i went down to where i needed to go to install the anchor points and install the children restraints which is required of me to transport children in to discover that you CANNOT have any children restraints on the 3rd row seat! safe to say i am now screwed with a car we cannot use, still hae 4 years to pay off with our next child on the way which was meant to house one of our older children in the 3rd row whom still in a 5 point harness restraint, which means we have a useless peicee of crap of a mis lead and advertised purchased car!! total a $70k bill at the end of the paid off time on a car we can no longer use or sell

    • KulgerR

      We bought a brand new Kulger KX-R 8-month ago. The car drives very well on any condition roads even through the covers at much higher speed than normal recommend speed limit. It took a little while to get used to the driving and power delivery. We managed to use 9 – 10L per 100-km with half freeway (Monash FWY) and half city use. Average 12L – 13L in the city. It is very comfortable and reliable so far. Pear paint is great against stone chips and bird drops.
      The downsides: It is the build quality!!! Interior and transmission are not very good. Transmission vibrates little bit when cold in P, N and D, vibration goes away once it is warming-up. We took it back to the dealer and didn’t get a good answer twice! Interior plastic panels are really bad! The first problem was driver side kick panel vibrating and noisy, it really needs soft padding inside against hard surfaces and stronger firmer locker pins or using metal screws with ring plate. Silver painted covers are poorly made and paint comes off on different spots near cup holder and scratch easily. Kluger interior is really not up to scratch.

    • Blokie

      these Klugers are such nice cars to be in. very well built and have oodles of power!

    • Wayne

      Wow, a lot of biased Ford fans here. I bought a Kluger in 2004 and still own it and certianly don’t share the same opinions in the rest of the comments. I tested both the Kluger and Territory and found the kluger was a better drive & better value for money at the time and I have not been disappointed. After 6 years the car still drives like new, has no rattles and still looks as good as the day I got it. The only disappointment was the gearbox that can be a bit indecisive at times. Now I am at the point of trading it in and seriously looking at a new Kluger. I have test driven dozens of SUVs and although I like many of them I am still leaning towards the Kluger. I have also considered the q5, new x3 coming soon & vw touareg but neither of these (same eatures) are 30k better than the Kluger unless of cause image is more important.

      For those that quote that journalist rate Territory as a better car, let’s just say the journalists in this country have a fairly large bias towards aussie brands. You wouldn’t get the same result elsewhere. There is a reason the Kluger sells worldwide and the Territory doesn’t. Also just to prove my point, 10 years ago I decide not to buy another car magazine with a ford or holden pictured/featured on the cover. I still have not bought car magazine….

      • Adrian

        Wayne, that’s great that you enjoy your car, but why do you feel the need to justify your ownership with lies?
        There is just no way in heck that the Kluger drives better than the Territory.
        I drove both extensively, back to back over 21 days. It’s not Aussie journo pride, it is a fact: Territory is a far better, safer drive than Kluger.
        I don’t see BMW copying Kluger suspension design like they copied Territory. And global sales has nothing to do with design or build quality.

        BTW, The motoring jounos are far less biased than you are.

    • Rickoshay

      Toyota’s great sucees in the sales race is due very much to its great advertising. They simply copied General Motors hype, then improved on it, then made a better vehicle that the General can, and look at their sales volumes – BUT there are far far better vehicles around.
      1. Ford Territory greatly preferred by caravanners as Kluger is a terrific fuel guzzler when towing. The Territory doesn’t sip, but its greater torque and rear wheel drive means it is simply a far better tow vehicle.
      2. Interestingly, my Hyundai Santa Fe eats both Territory and Kluger in fuel frugality stakes. And with more torque that the Territory (vastly more than ‘o what a fooling’) and a brilliant (instantly automatic) four wheel drive, is a great tow vehicle for any caravan up to 2000 KG.

      • Brett

        Finally someone who recognises the quality of the Korean cars! We researched for 3 months last year looking for a car to take us on long highway holiday driving with some off-road camping occasionally. I test drove them all and in the end we bought the platinum Sorento and can’t speak highly enough about it. The fuel economy and power of the superb diesel engine is exactly what we were after. Once you get passed the badge snobbery ( I had to and am so glad I did)you will be delightfully surprised. As was mentioned by one of the reviews on it, this vehicle will be the turning point of people thinking Kias are just cheap cars. This is the cousin of the Santa Fe and share a lot of features including that cracking diesel engine. Do yourselves a favour and include the Koreans on your list when test driving. I certainly will when the day comes that we buy another one.

    • Roy

      Hey guys,

      I am thinking of buying the Kluger( grande) model but after reading all the above comments…hmmm! i am not sure now. i am tossing over the kluger or the Mazda CX9..Any help will be greatly appreciated.

    • Sylvana Vandertouw

      Oh dear!
      I’ve just put a deposit on a 2005 CVX Kluger from a Toyota Dealership with 60,000 on the clock and superb condition inside and out with nudge bar/roof racks/tow bar ($27,000)
      As we are retired we plan travelling up North and intend going off road but not Bush. Just wanted comfortable drive in our senior years.
      Now after reading all the above negative reports on the Kluger should I forgo my deposit? I say again Oh dear!!

      • itomasz

        If you bought Toyota Kluger, now you know you have made a great choice.

        If you haven’t let me tell you: a lot of people with agenda are on this
        website to talk down the reviewed car or to feel better about their
        (sometimes) unfortunate purchase. Most have not driven the car they
        reviewing, or they managed to get a 10 min. test drive, because there
        was nothing to do on weekend so they went to dealers to kill the time. +95%
        of the comments are simply a garbage.

        It is a pity that there is no moderator to filter the nonsense. Also, I
        have noticed that some of the “experts” could be found on other sites
        commenting on other reviews (not even auto related) – a serial
        pest “reviewers”. Come on! At least change your username and style!

        So, how’s your Kluger, if you still around?

    • keith

      current model kluger cant be compared with the previous models My 2008 KXR model brand new was $42000 3 years ago and has been flawless.Just replaced the tyres after 80000 kms. Even the police are now using them in the rural areas. No way I’d buy the grands model totally not worth the extra $$$

    • Gordon

      Can’t believe what I am reading here. Seems like grown men are arguing about Klugers and Territories. These are panzy wagons suitable only for mums to convey primary school kids to and from school. Real men wouldn’t be seen dead on the road in anything less than a dual cab HILUX or a NAVARA. Please get a life fellas and stop drinking softdrink through straws.