FPV F6 Typhoon Road Test

After driving the HSV Clubsport R8, what better than to punt it against one of the best from the FPV stables – the F6 Typhoon.

When you look at the power and torque figures these two boast, the match up seems slightly unfair. On one hand there is the bellowing LS2 juggernaut from the lion’s den, whilst on the other hand there is a seemingly quaint inline six-cylinder – from the blue oval – with a blow dryer attached. Surely a whiney, turbocharged taxi is no match for a man’s brute with a dirty big V8?

Well…that’s what I thought – until I set foot in the ‘phoon.

FPV F6 Typhoon
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The interior’s nothing to write home about, it looks much like any other Falcon’s interior, only adding a sports steering wheel, gauge pod (with boost and oil pressure) and fancy starter button. The difference lies within the handling and sheer performance characteristics.

Although the Typhoon only produces 270kW of power, it’s good for a staggering 550Nm of torque – identical to the HSV’s 6.0-litre V8. All that torque comes on hard and bloody strong from around 2000RPM, all the way to redline – which isn’t actually marked on the tachometer funnily enough.

One thing’s for certain, you’ve got to be on your best behavior when steering the ‘phoon. It’s got to be one of the liveliest cars on the road. With a set of 245-wide licorice strips at the rear, it constantly grapples for grip. Nail it from a standing start and watch as the traction control light flashes like mad until you back off the throttle. The noise this thing makes under full-throttle acceleration is enough to give any motoring tragic a hard-on. It sounds like a jet fighter gathering all its breath, right before slamming a tidal wave of torque into the driver and passenger’s chests.

The exhaust has been tuned within earshot of perfection and lets out a billowing wail under acceleration. On top of that, the noise from inside the car is just as good, giving the driver that feeling of excitement. The HSV on the other hand doesn’t sound as good from outside in comparison to the ‘phoon, but that’s nothing a new exhaust won’t fix (click to check out the HSV Clubsport R8 review with TOMCAT exhaust).

FPV F6 Typhoon
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The regular 4.0-litre inline six-cylinder makes plenty of torque to begin with, adding a turbo is just downright naughty. After getting acquainted with both vehicles, we set off to the hills to see what the HSV Clubsport R8 and FPV F6 Typhoon were all about.

Not long after setting off, it’s obvious that the FPV’s steering is quite heavy in comparison to the HSV. That’s not such a bad thing though, both vehicles have perfectly sculpted steering wheels to allow plenty of grip space, along with room for turning when pegging through bends. In comparison, the HSV’s steering is as light as a feather, the ‘phoon allows the driver to feel the road and know exactly what the tyres are doing.

The brakes are far from an afterthought. The cross-drilled Brembo stoppers used on the Falcon do a phenomenal job of keeping everything in check. During the run through the mountains, they never showed any sides of fade or lack of pedal feel, reiterating the car’s ability throughout braking intensive courses.

FPV F6 Typhoon Road Test FPV F6 Typhoon Road Test
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A six-speed gearbox is common to both vehicles, but only one stood out in all aspects of driving. Ford’s ZF gearbox (produced by ZF Sachs) did a stellar job of powering the ‘phoon through stop-start city traffic and also through nail biting twists and bends. The seemingly bulletproof gearbox shifted quickly and precisely and always seemed to be in the right gear. During harder driving, the sport mode intelligently chooses the right gear and can even hold gears indefinitely if required. During hard braking, the gearbox actively shifts into a lower gear to aid braking and also allowing maximum power out of corners after the braking effort.

Although the Typhoon has a potent ability to light up the rears, it managed to drill all the power down to the ground when tackling the twisty stint of road, testament to the car’s handling dynamics. Body roll was slightly more prevalent in comparison to the Clubsport, but that’s nothing a firm set of springs wouldn’t fix.

The driving positions are totally different in both vehicles. The HSV has the driver slung low to the ground, whilst the ‘phoon sits the driver high up – very high up in fact. It takes a little while to get used to the FPV as the driving position feels almost unnatural to begin with. After a few clicks it becomes second nature. Neither driving position – in the HSV or FPV – is better nor worse, it’s just something that was quite evident when driving both vehicles back to back.

FPV F6 Typhoon
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In terms of straight line performance, the R8 and Typhoon don’t get any closer. Off the line, the Typhoon battles for grip as the turbo force-feeds air into the engine, but once it gets moving, they both unilaterally accelerate to 100 clicks per hour. Through the corners, it’s a similar story. Both of the vehicles grip tight and drill down power without many dramas. The only gripe lies with the ‘phoon’s mild amount of body roll.

At $61,810, the FPV F6 Typhoon undercuts the Clubsport R8 by some $1,000. But, the Typhoon misses out on several features that should be mandatory on this type of vehicle – such as an Electronic Stability Program (ESP) and rear parking sensors, which are both standard on the HSV Clubsport R8.

Although we didn’t get a reply from Ford during the production of the article, it’s believed that FPV haven’t fitted DSC to the FPV range due to the extensive engineering and testing requirements that need to take place before such a sophisticated system is prepared. As such, we think that Ford will simply wing it until the 2008 Falcon arrives, which should – if Ford’s thinking clearly – be fitted with DSC as standard equipment throughout the range.

FPV F6 Typhoon
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Overall, both of these cars offer brilliant bang for your buck. On one hand you have a deep-throated growling V8; whilst on the other lies an air-snorting turbocharged six. At the end of the day, the only choice you need to make is your brand allegiance, as both of these things will annihilate almost anything off the lights, this side of $80,000.

At the end of the day though, the HSV manages to offer more equipment – both in terms of safety and features – than the FPV. But, only so much can be expected when you consider this series of Falcons has been around for nigh on six years, whilst the E-series HSV range has only been around for about 6-months. If you’re a Ford tragic though, there’s no going past this intoxicating force-fed six. If the noise won’t do it for you, the aggressive looks and potent driving experience is bound to.

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- by Anthony Crawford and Paul Maric

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136 Responses to “FPV F6 Typhoon Road Test”

  1. Blue Blood Says:

    Great article.

    It icomes as no surprise to me that in most comparisons the Typhoon is still so close to the R8.

    It’s testimont to how good the BA package was as still is.

    No doubt Holden will have something up it’s sleeve when Orion is launched.

    Can’t wait for the Orion Typhoon and VE R8 Comparo.

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  2. Ross Says:

    The Phoon has 245 wide tyres fittes as standard… not 235 as printed in the article.

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  3. Anthony Crawford Says:

    Thanks Ross – those darn typos

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  4. Ross Says:

    No problem Anthony.

    I made a typo myself… I typed “fittes” as opposed to “fitted”. :P

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  5. Damo Says:

    I’d take the typhoon anyday, it faired better in Wheel’s handling olympics, and is like 0.1 seconds slower than a GTS in actual testing under normal conditions. The only thing that annoys me is the large lue ford badge on the wheel, I was in a fairmont cab the other night, which had a similar wheel, and the big ford badge just stuck out and the wheel looked huge and plastic. Regardless, I would take the FPV, but can they please make it smaller, and put a silver FPV badge on it, or use a Momo wheel and badge it as a momo wheel (as I think the one used is a momo). The FPV has a more complex engine, and a far better gearbox. Bring on the 290 – 300kw FPV Typhoon Orion!

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  6. alborz Says:

    I am a turbo man at heart
    but between this and the R8, there is no question that the R8 is the better car, far more refined, and the looks, man the R8 looks like a supercar if you ask me!

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  7. Damo Says:

    Yeah, I suppose the R8 sort of does look like a supercar in a way, I agree the front really does have this menacing prescence and ‘big’ look in certain shots, the back end is good, although the taillights do not look good until they are turned on, and look too small when turned off. The all round shape isn’t half bad, unlike the Falcon it stands out a lot more against other cars on the road, and differtiates itself from the rest of the bomadore range. Even though this is off topic, I prefer the engine note of the FPV GT-P that I hear every morning coming down Prospect road a little more than the one of the R8/GTS. Only complaint about Ford’s Turbo 6’s, leve them in the sedans. When I saw an the sound coming from an XR6 turbo ute gunning it once, I just laughed, because I really expected a V8 churn, but instead I get a “DURRRN,,, Shhhh” and so on. Classic in my opinion, and it makes me want to buy one just to do that, as I imagine it would piss off many V8 fans.

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  8. Snake Says:

    I have a series 1 BF Typhoon which I am really impressed with……….especially the ZF 6 speed auto (I’ve always been a manual guy).
    I was tossing up between the E series R8 and Typhoon when I was about to buy and the deciding factor was tuneability.
    After spending less than $5K on the Typhoon I am making 300rwkw and around 760nm of torque.
    It brings a smile to my face everytime I drive it.

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  9. tony Says:

    Snake – sounds like you have a very quick car there. Mind sending us some pics and what you have done to the car, to achieve those outputs?

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  10. Blue Blood Says:

    No doubt the the Typhoon has the best engine ever produced in this country.

    It’s impressive when you look at what FPV has done to strengthen it compared to the standard mill.

    I can see why it’s so appealing to the tuners, there is alot of untapped power.

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  11. Andrew. M Says:

    absolutely guys, there seems to be much more to tap in to with the typhoon if you want to take it further. i have even heard of XR6 Turbo’s going to beyond 300kw. ford has a pretty good turbo set up i must say and one of the main attributes is the very low boost they run. i mean how much does it cost some one with a rex or evo if they want to ring its neck for a bit more???? HUGE$$$$$$$$$$$

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  12. alborz Says:

    thats not true anthony,

    as a rex owner, I can tell you the cost of getting to around 220kW at the wheel is around $5,000, I agree though that in that $5,000, the turbo and the intercooler need to go, but for a 300kW falcon, I assume the same.

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  13. sam Says:

    gday im a young ford hoon (said in the nicest way possible) and love the typhoon. just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to put typhoon style side skirts on a BA XR6 turbo UTE, seeing as the utes skirts are actually in two parts and the typhoons one piece

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  14. Rob Says:

    @tony

    Not much is required to get 300rwkw on these cars, a simple flash tune gets you most of the way – throw in a set of larger injectors, a decent exhaust and a tune and you are well on your way to 380rwkw

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  15. the bigt Says:

    do u know what the biggest joke is? that ford can make a 270kw car that can destroy a 300+kw holden what a joke shows that holden has its head stuck up its ass crapin on about how great there new HSV is even a xr6 turbo can blits a shity HSV

    PS: buy a holden if you want to never break the speed limit but if you want a thril rush buy a turbo charged ford and you will have some orsm fun

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  16. Ian Miller Says:

    I have THE 2007 SERIES 2 BA FAIRMONT GHIA, FITTED AS STANDARD WITH THE ZF 6 SPEED AUTO. IT IS A GREAT GEAR BOX, I HAVE 2 MATES THAT OWN F6 ‘PHOONS, 1 IS A 6 SPEED MANUAL, WHICH STRUGLES FOR TRACTION WHEN YOU LIGHT THE FUSE. THE OTHER HAS THE ZF 6 SPEED AUTO, IT SEEMS TO GET THE POWER DOWN MORE GENTLY AND EASILY WALKS AWAY FROM THE MANUAL, HOW EVER, BEING A PURIST… I WOULD TAKE THE MANUAL, COS’ IM A OLD HOON THAT WOULD LOVE A ‘PHOON. I ALSO HAVE CONECTIONS AT A TYRE SERVICE, COULD BE HANDY. REALLY THE ARE KICK YOUR ARSE CARS, HOLDENS.. YA KIDDIN’ ARENT YA.CHEERS

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  17. Azza Says:

    I’m not taking a bite at FPV or Prodrive here, but why is the GT-P the Flagship again?
    C’mon, the ‘Phoon kills them all. Just look at the ‘DRIF6′, that is how a true Tuner’s dream car looks. And the best part is that it’s all on a single turbocharger! Ford/FPV/Prodrive, you guys have definitley got some brains stacked away in the designing plants.

    Good job guys!

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  18. mick Says:

    ive owned 4 fords over the past 10 yrs and if previous form counts for anything the typhoon will be an unreliable money pit in a few years time.ill never buy a ford again no matter how fast or powerfull it is !!!!

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  19. Ross Says:

    The BA was and is light years ahead of the previous models Mick.

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  20. Toyota Paul Says:

    This would explain your constant defence of all things Ford Ross!!! Maybe, like with other arguments, you should just accept what the man has said from experiences rather then all this ‘heresay’ that you seem to always put across

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  21. Toyota Paul Says:

    Although what everything said here is heresay lol… well apart from third party sourced articles which I always provide, unlike others.

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  22. Andrew M Says:

    yes paul take some of your own medicine there kido!!

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  23. Colonel Klink Says:

    Oh righto Paul, gee whiz mate you are green between the ears most times. You really are a pest at times with your thinking and bizarre comments!

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  24. Colonel Klink Says:

    Paul mate you believe your own rubbish and it becomes true… are you in a cult??? LOL

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  25. Woz Says:

    I can understand Mick that you feel sick in the stomach when someone has a stab at the Holdenwoo’s or toyota or whatever you own now, Ford is no way any more unreliable than Holden, there are many models to list here but we have to face facts before will can spill our guts, we all know the Holden list of failure is longest……..

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  26. Ross Says:

    Paul, what are you smoking son??

    Where is my constant defence of anything Ford????

    I simply stated the BA is light years ahead of any previous FORD.

    Why do you have to belittle every thread and bring Toyota into it?

    Grow up!

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  27. Ross Says:

    Sorry, you didn’t bring Toyota into this argument, but you had to bring this thread into “disrepute” if you will by saying something totally inappropropriate!!

    There is no “heresay” in saying the BA is light years ahead of any previous Falcon!

    I didn’t see any previous Falcons win “Wheels Car of the Year”, “Best Sports Car Under $57k” (XR6Turbo) nor get such high praise from so many places.

    If you hate Ford so much that you wont even let me say that “The BA is light years ahead of any previous Falcon” then you need to harden the hell up princess and stop being such a whiny little pussy!!

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  28. Me. Says:

    PAUL, grow up “Holdrolet” supporter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  29. Toyota Paul Says:

    Ross the only person bringing it into ‘disrepute’ is you… the man said he hasnt had good experiences with Ford over the last 10 years (it might very well include the BA)…. you made a comment, I made an observation. It could have ended at that, youve made it into something more then it was.

    And as for hating Ford so much, I think if you look hard enough you will find positive comments made by me about Fords.

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  30. Ross Says:

    Yes, he did say that, and it is ALSO CLEAR that he hasn’t owned a BA or later model.

    What he actually was was “…if previous form counts for anything…”

    Note he said IF PREVIOUS FORM… I was commenting on the CURRENT form.. not the PREVIOUS form.. I did NOT dispute his own experience with his previous vehicles!!

    Why don’t you actually read (AND DIGEST) what is posted instead of trolling and replying with your constant childish drivel to every topic that comes up here!

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  31. Toyota Paul Says:

    You quote the little section, how about the whole thing he said instead of manipulating it “ive owned 4 fords over the past 10 yrs and if previous form counts for anything the typhoon will be an unreliable money pit in a few years time”. Now I think its reasonable to say he COULD very well have owned a BA, not saying he does, but you could assume it. Previous form can be relating to other Falcons, not the Typhoon, and as a result of his previous experiences with Falcons which could include the BA the Typhoon would be no better.
    Although I honestly dont know why I respond to this, all your good for is nitpicking Ross. I can take abuse at me like swearing in these forums, but the pettyness of your arguments is really annoying. Id have to say you put up the lamest arguments out of any person here.

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  32. Ross Says:

    It only makes sense that my arguments are the “lamest” to you of any person here as quite frankly, you don’t understand most of them! When I have tried to explain physics concepts and ideas to you, they go straight over your head! Now if you are one of the many people that are not mathematically inclined, that is OK! But you can’t try and argue you point on the basis that you cannot understand what I have said! Ignorance is not an excuse!!

    I think myself and the majority of people here will support me when I say that YOU argue NONSENSE and UTTER RUBBISH a lot of the time when you are debating on a technical point (which you pretned to understand, but in reality you don’t) and you try to keep pushing your wrong understanding upon others!

    Shall I dig up all the past posts where people are abusing me for MY rubbish posts, (none!) and people are abusing you for YOUR rubbish posts?? (LOTS!!) REALLY? WOULD YOU LIKE THAT PAUL?? I need not look any futher than the “TRD Aurion Road Test” thread!!

    See, I am an Engineer – so your definition of “nit-picking” is my definiton of being thorough. I like to connect all the dots to get a full picture… I admire that you try to as well, but it’s just that you don’t have the education behind you to understand much of it, so for you, the dots are in the wrong places, and ultimately you end up with the wrong picture.

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  33. Toyota Paul Says:

    Lol people once attacked those who said the earth was flat… does that make the masses right? No. What you fail to consider is that the crowd around here supports RWD, you can put a piss poor argument forward (like yourself) and your going to get support. Fact is in previous arguments I back my claims up with evidence. You just spout your physics and other information without any evidence… just your heresay. Much like here with your ‘BA is better then previous models’, I dont mean to attack the Falcon but your evidence for this, wheels car of the year and XR6T best sports car awards hardly take into consideration reliability, the point the guy that started this argument brought up. A week long test doesnt test relaibility does it!?. Another example of your floored arguments, which will get supported by the pro-Ford camp.

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  34. Ross Says:

    Im sorry Paul, but the concept of the earth being flat was just that… a CONCEPT. No way to prove it wasn’t then was there??

    Now we have learnt and studied, and we now have these things called text-books which harness the knowledge of millions of years of information.

    What YOU fail to consider is that the MASSES support RWD for a reason. And that is because it has superior traction under accelleration and superior handling (Ie BOTH over AND understeer can be induced unlike a FWD car where all you have is plough understeer.

    I gave you evidence, I gave you websites, what did you give?? a few unsubstantiatd pages!! I gave you WIKIPEDIA links (amnogst others) and you simply dismissed them!!! You love to claim that you “provide evidence” your “evidence” isn’t worth a pinch of salt as it is not from a reputable source!!!!

    And again, if you want people to take you seriously, you need to learn to spell. I already corrected you on this very mistake in the TRD Aurion Road Test thread… it’s spelt “FLAWED” – DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THRICE!!
    There is an old probveb… “Only a fool makes the same mistake twice”…

    It’s just another classic example of your unwillinglness to learn. LOL and don’t try and argue that it is spelt “floored” now hahahaha (Mind you, I’m expecting you to!!)

    I love how you call Physics a piss-poor argument. You know who you are Paul?? You are exactly one of the people that called the world flat!!! It was Ptolemy who MATHEMATICALLY derived the theory of the world being flat. You know… with MATHEMATICS, and PHYSICS.

    To call MATHEMATICS and PHYSICS piss poor arguments really shows your maturity level along with your lack of intelligence also.

    Again, GROW UP!

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  35. Ross Says:

    Thats meant to read:
    “It was Ptolemy who MATHEMATICALLY derived the theory of the world being round. You know… with MATHEMATICS, and PHYSICS.”

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  36. Toyota Paul Says:

    Lol your a joke, now your being Mr Spell Check, what a c*ck! On top of this, no the masses support RWD here because they drive RWD. Its called bias. We all have it. Im done here, Ive just showed you for the joke that you are in my post before this where you try to claim a sports car award means the BA is relaible now. Goodbye idiot.

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  37. Ross Says:

    Paul, no need to resort to petty insults just because you can’t argue with fact.

    I’m not being Mr Spell Check, but would you not say that one’s spelling is somewhat related to their education? I think you poor spelling and multiple mistakes coupled with your lack of education just reinforces what most people here think of you.

    You have a nice day too now Paul.

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  38. Colonel Klink Says:

    ROSS… mate finished work and get on here and 1st thing I come across is that PAUL. In fact he is going off like a firecracker tangent to the expotential of the void in between his lobal cavities upstairs – YOU GOT IT LIKE A HOLE IN ONE HE HAS TROUBLES ON HERE, BUT HE DOES KNOW MORE THEN AN ENGINEER. MOST TIMES HE IS GOOD AND IS FINE (when one does not cross the line and attack his so called logic). LETS CALL HIM MR SPOCK JUNIOR! I KNOW KNOW YOU WANT TO CALL HIM MR C…K JUNIOR. LOL

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  39. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Ok guys I think its fair to say by now that Pauls isn’t going to agree with you and vise versa,so how about we get back to discussing cars not going around in circles.

    After all if we throw dirt you lose ground.

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  40. Colonel Klink Says:

    The only thing I would say in all honesty is that Ford have not got enough visual distinctive distance away from the Falcon range as you step up towards top line models (like the Typhoon) – that should be addressed if they are serious at Ford to become a real major player as that is one chief reason VE Commodore is ahead of pack and this is more so since VE Commodore has suffered worse fuel economy then the model it replaced.

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  41. Rocket3 Says:

    can i try and clear something up for all concerned.

    RWD is Better than front wheel drive for performance on the road. Witnessed by all performance and luxury marques using it. Also all performance racing is undertaken in rear wheel drive cars.
    FWD is actually driven by the masses not RWD as they are cheaper to produce and safer for a manufacturer as they are inherently designed to understeer whereby creating a “safe envelope” for the consumer who uses a car as an appliance not a treat to beholh. This is the mass thinking of what a car does, not what a car should be.
    4WD is better in most respects than either if it is set up correctly. Audi has always had a problem until recently with understeer, FWD Traight, and to fix it has now sent more power to the rear wheels to make it more user friendly. Hey Presto, an M3 Competitor at last.

    Paul, Even toyota agrees with the above points, (please tell me if they don’t), because LEXUS are all RWD with some, Hybrids, Becoming 4WD.

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  42. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Agreed CK , the Phoon just isn’t aggressive looking now , The GT is more Hero looking with the bigger wing and the bulge on the bonnet but at a distance I agree the Phoon just lacks something visually.

    And if the Orion pics of the new GT and Phoon are any indication the Phoon is still lacking in aggression,it needs to be a stand out car in its own right not just the fact it has a fantastic engine. Aussie’s like a hero car not that sheep in wolves clothing that the Euro’s do.

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  43. Toyota Paul Says:

    Rocket Ive discussed the RWD v FWD argument, including the ‘Lexus’ argument in another area… please find it and argue their.
    Klink attacks from you are very rich given your previous embarressments under other identities.

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  44. Mike Says:

    Haha Colonel Klink you summed it up in one!!
    “I KNOW KNOW YOU WANT TO CALL HIM MR C…K JUNIOR. LOL”

    You are right! He suffers from “C..K junior syndrome” :)

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  45. Toyota Paul Says:

    Feel free to call me that I dont have any issues with it.

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  46. Mike Says:

    OK Cock Junior :D

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  47. Mike Says:

    or is that junior cock???

    (most likely junior cock hahahahahahah ;) )

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  48. Toyota Paul Says:

    Low blow… but you know what they say about people who talk their size up… they r TINY!

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  49. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Sigh…………….. shaking head …..

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  50. Rocket3 Says:

    sorry Paul,
    wasn’t attacking you was just trying to show real world examples instead of text book examples. if it was in the Kluger one it sort of became a bit of a shit fight in there and not much was explained simply enough for many who read these things to get information on what to buy. No-one and i mean no-one can deny FWD has a role to play for a long time but their are limitations to everything including RWD and 4WD. just trying to put facts simply that is all.

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  51. FourPointEleven Says:

    Thanks for the article guys!

    Nice to finally read an unbiased comparison report between these two, *cough* Wheels magazine.

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  52. Watto_Cobra Says:

    I know what you mean FourPointEleven.

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  53. bob evans Says:

    fer christ sake people i thought this was supposed to be a site for a discussion on cars not a personal attack column. three points i wanna make there is one car that looks similar but better than the r8 commode a leyland p76 the phoon still looks tough as it is you notice them on the road more than other falcons. the aurian trd beautiful looking car it’s just a pitty they don’t make them awd or rwd motoring writers in all the mags i’ve read have said they have way too much torque steer to be able to use the full potential of the car if toyota listen to the consumers & do something about it holden & ford will have a battle on their hands. well that’s my say cheers. ps. i’m a ford lover & proud of it.

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  54. BK Says:

    Ford been around longer than any other car company that I know of in Australia. Ford falcon V8s where dominating in the 60s , 70s and 80s so now its time for Ford 6 cylinder Turbos to continue on with domination in the 21 century. Who knows what ford will come up with next, it could be the end of the V8 very soon cause of expensive fuel costs and the 6 cylinder could be around for a bit longer and then diesel will dominate. Time will tell. Ford will be the first to have technology to do it all and the 2008 Orion will be the first to demonstrate it. Once out it will be the best car in australia. Bring it on Ford lets show the rest that we are still the best in Australia.

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  55. Adrian Says:

    WELL DONE HSV!!! CHAMPIONS FOR 2007. Keep your eye out for the new HSV GTS 385kw, cant wait to get my hands on that. See you all on the road.

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  56. Adrian Says:

    Wait for the HSV 385kw to arrive, only then will you ford fans realise that you all talk shit! Can ford make a car without a turbo??? Sounds like a shortcut job to me. Anyone can through a turbo in. People who buy fords cant afford an HSV. A gtp kicked my gts, but my HSV costs more and thats what it comes down to in the end. WHO HAS THE MOST MONEY WINS!!! I can buy 19 gtp’s but rather buy 1 HSV GTS. Then ill buy the 385kw GTS when it comes out next year, now thats money well spent!!!!!!!

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  57. The boss Says:

    people who buy fpv dont want or like hsv and cash is not an issue.

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  58. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Adrian……….whos talking s..t? HSV Champions for what??

    HSV haven’t confirmed there even making it yet so do count your chickens before there hatched! At a speculated cost of $150,000 theres plenty of other choices I would have!!
    People that buy FORDS cant afford HSV ??? What are you 12

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  59. Adrian Says:

    yeah, 12. 12 million richer

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  60. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Money doesn’t give you class mate or brains! So why can you only buy 19 GTP’S if you have 12.12 mill??

    You still sound 12!

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  61. goog Says:

    the v8 supercars the hsvdt won the champion.. 2 years in a row they won.. and id rather the gts over the gt p. the ve just so much better looking especially that 6ltr engine.

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  62. Me. Says:

    Adrian, you sound like the same 12Y/Os I know who can’t tell s..t from clay. You don’t even know your cars, so why did you even come here in the first place?

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  63. Me. Says:

    What goog, Better looking you say?

    The FPV GT/-P has stripes, a 3-Pillar spoiler, bonnet bulge and the HSV doesn’t. I’m not trying to be mean, but Do you mean better looking to you because you’re a Holden fan?

    And when it comes to the engine, the FPV has Quad cams, the reason why HSV use a giant 6.0L is because they don’t have a OHC V8 to keep up, so they need bigger engines.

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  64. Me. Says:

    To the piece of sh!t that said…

    “I can buy 19 gtp’s but rather buy 1 HSV GTS.”

    BM is right, you are 12. You really sound like you perfer Ford then If you can only buy 1 HSV but buy 19 FPVs.

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  65. goog Says:

    yes the ve does look better.. better colors and much improved looking interor, and the exterior just looks a whole lot newer as it should in this age as it is brand new so yes does look better and goes much better

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  66. FordFutureDriven Says:

    VE has nothing on the Tphoon…best car in the world.

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  67. goog Says:

    typical ford wanker reckon a ford is better then lambos and ferraris.. a phoon worth 60 grand… i a huge holden man but neva would i say a ve is the best car in the world. id say best aussie built car yet 2 date..
    thats why the say the ssv is even better overall to the typhoon. so dont say its the best car in the world when really it aint

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  68. Me. Says:

    Goog if you hate fords, whats attracting you to come to a Ford post?

    And you miss understood my post, it’s the FPV that looks better.

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  69. goog Says:

    i keep coming back 2 see how crap the phoon looks compared to the gt p.. the gt p looks gud not the phoon.. and no the fpv dont look better lol.. the ve’ s look sweet

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  70. greg Says:

    Hey GOOGY did you read your Royal Auto magazine the, VE Holdenwoo Alfalfa Omega Bommodore came third in Australias best cars 2007 so it is no where near best car here, the Toyota and 380 was chosen because they are better than VE. Wheels magazine voted VE car of the year only being a sponsor you would have to. but this Wheels award doesn’t compare or as important than the real award, Australias Best Cars 2007 at least Ford can win prestigious accolades including the new Mondeo, Holdenwoo struggles to win anything remotely worth while, Holden is crap so go back to your woo hoo forums..

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  71. Watto_Cobra Says:

    The VE oughta be a good car with the amount spent on it. Why keep making direct comparisons between current generation Commodore to last gen Falcon when the new one is finally just around the corner?

    I’d never compare a ‘phoon to a supercar, but it is great value for what it is (as is R8 and SS-V).

    Commodore, with the VE, has finally caught up and surpassed BA/BF but I really expected it to be 3 steps above, not one. Read Wheels and Motor, that’s the general consensus. In most comparos they put the VE not far ahead of a 6 year old car.

    Fantastic V8 in the new commodore, but V6 (especially mated to 4-auto) very average.

    VE vs. Orion is what we want to see.

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  72. Me. Says:

    goog, stop being an idiot….The HSV is not as decorated as the GT /-P.

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  73. Me. Says:

    Goog, you almost like ToyotaPaul with the way you reccon the HSV is better looking than an FPV. How, you never say why?

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  74. goog Says:

    ME. asif the hsv isnt more decorated.. the interior colors of the new range with the red dash and the engine bay actually got color. and the 20 inch wheels and the side vents, quad exhausts… dont say they arnt decorated. and no it shouldnt be 3 times better, the ba was a good car and the ve is still better but not by much.. the next few models will be much the same.

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  75. goog Says:

    new figures came in today shows the commodore the best selling large car for 5 years in a row boys.. out sold the ba bf. and we still will even with ur orion.. use no the holden is decorated just like i said above, ford only have 19inch wheels, no color interior dash.. just say holden in as decorated if not more.

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  76. Me. Says:

    Commodore the best selling car? …That’s old news.

    How is the HSV better looking because of a colour dash? They just have a flat bonnet no stripes and 20″ wheels doesn’t make it look any better.

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  77. Me. Says:

    Forgot to mention how small the HSV’s rear wings are compared to the FPV GT /-P.

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  78. Watto_Cobra Says:

    They sometimes overdo it tho Goog. I liked the early (VT/VX-ish?) Monaro’s with the full kit, they looked great, especially from 3/4 rear view.

    But the newer one with the bonnet scoops were overdone. From front on you have 6 big black openings (bonnet scoop, grill, bumper) in a 2×3 grid. Front on the bonnet scoops looked like a giant pair of nostrils.

    I wouldn’t want a muscle car to look tame, but they shouldn’t always chuck vents and scoops on just for appearances.

    We already know the sales figures. Much of that is public perception, ill-informed people believing Holden is the only Aussie marque. If you break it down into categories, Falcon sells better than Commodore in areas .ie. utes, Territory. Commodore wins overall.

    Highest sales doesn’t always mean best car. Look at the Corolla. It is nowhere near the best car in it’s segment, but it’s beating everything in sales. VE has a headstart, we’ll see how Orion does based on it’s merits.

    BTW, Falcon beats Commordore in sales in New Zealand.

    I agree the GT looks better than the ‘phoon. No bonnet bulge (obviously not needed) seems to hurt it’s muscle car looks.

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  79. goog Says:

    hey me. you can get the stripes on the hsv for an extra option of 320bucks. and the colored dash makes it look smart and the new look. and yeah my favourite hsv was the vx, but the new ones just look a little to big and bulky when u look at them but gee they drive nice. and yes the ford may have a bigger rear wing but really who cares it just a spoiler and its not like u need it 2 be massive so you cant see out the back.

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  80. Me. Says:

    I agree Watto_Cobra.

    Goog, it seems like you trying to start a fight here, if you want to show off how you think the HSV looks better, go to a Holden article.

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  81. Me. Says:

    Stripes on an HSV??? No where near as good as an FPV’s Ford trade mark GT stripes, which have been use for about 40 years now.

    The way you said,”who cares it just a spoiler and its not like u need it 2 be massive so you cant see out the back.” is the same with the dash bord, you don’t need to much colour, or the shine will make it hard to see through the windscreen.

    If you want to sprook on about the way you like the HSV so much then go to a Holden article.

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  82. goog Says:

    u have been in holden ones 2 b4.. and um red color doesnt make it shine.. my dad owns a ve ss v orange with the orange dash and its not shiny 2 see out of.. i just love pissing ford guys off. because how they think that a typhoon is the best car in the world hahaah. cyas

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  83. Me. Says:

    No Ford fan thinks there Typhoon is the best in the world, think you getting jelous,LOL! Are some idiot from Holden’s payroll just to defame the FPV? I bet you are getting p!ssed off.LOL for making a fool of your self by attacking this post. and now you are the idiot :P

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  84. Me. Says:

    What??? YOUR DAD?lol Must be a school age student on holiday. Up yours:D

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  85. Watto_Cobra Says:

    Actually FordFutureDriven has several times said the Typhoon is the best car in the world. I’d give that title to Bugatti Veyron or Lambo or Ferrari.

    Typhoon is a great car for it’s price. I’m looking at an Orion Typhoon if it’s as good as I think it will be.

    Two things concern me over coloured dashes. Will they fade in a few years? Can you get matching dash mats for those who want to protect their dash?

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  86. goog Says:

    FordFutureDriven Says:
    December 10th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
    VE has nothing on the Tphoon…best car in the world.

    thats right he did say that.. suck shit ME.
    im only 16 and he 40 and yeah thats right

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  87. Me. Says:

    Well looks like the jelous school age idiot here is getting mad the way he can’t watch his language.

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  88. Me. Says:

    Hey “Google”! In my days kids never said such rude crap, let the growin ups talk here, not kids like you.

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  89. goog Says:

    oi what rude crap am i saying here buddy. all i saying is that i prefer a holden. and use cant face it that the ve is better then the bf

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  90. Me. Says:

    Well, we all should know that most teenagers are one-eyed, so growin up Ford fans don’t need to worry about what they say againts a car they don’t like.

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  91. goog Says:

    haha whateva u reckon.. family have had no luck with fords like the bf xr8 ute.. now we got a vx ss and its fine no problems at all

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  92. Me. Says:

    No luck with Fords like the BF XR8 ute? You never said what happend, but you were very unlucky with what you got.

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  93. goog Says:

    i have said it 2 u b4.. all the electrics failed which eventually fkd the engine. and he had to get a new 1.. and the ute was 3 days old only 450ks on it..

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  94. Me. Says:

    WOW you were highly unlucky to end up with a car that failed new, that is very rare.

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  95. Me. Says:

    It sounds like you are Holden fans anyway so why did you even buy a Ford if you were always Holden fans?

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  96. Me. Says:

    Google, you said the HSV Clubsport looks better than the FPV GT because it has a red dashbord….

    I’m sorry son, I went to the HSV website and their dash is all black so look whos the liar.

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  97. goog Says:

    oi buddy.. its an extra option if you get a black car or a red or and orange that u can get the red dash.. and yeah we have always been holden but dad liked the look of the ba when it came out so he thought he would give it a shot, but now we regret it and we sold it strait away.. now we got a 2002 ss and soon 2 be a ss v

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  98. Me. Says:

    Goog, I still don’t get your point.
    Well it seems like you were never ment to have a Ford because i’ve never herd about electrical failure. – Must of been a one off car just for you….

    The dash is not all red, it’s just an interior trim. The FPV’s dash has got silver in it, but it’s standard so the FPV is better allover. :P LOL BTW the Force has red interior trimings too….

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  99. goog Says:

    the hsvs have red triming on the seat and the doors. and also the glovebox and under the steering wheel.. and yes i no we aint getting a ford again

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  100. greg Says:

    Goog is a liar he never owned a Ford his hand is stuck on his rod, daddy wouldn’t allow this to happen anyway, the only reason his saying that is to put Ford down, but he fully knows Holdenwoo has the worse record for warranty claims and quality problems…

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  101. greg Says:

    Goog is a liar he never owned a Ford his hand is stuck on his rod, daddy wouldn\’t allow this to happen anyway, the only reason his saying that is to put Ford down, but he fully knows Holdenwoo has the worse record for warranty claims and quality problems…

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  102. goog Says:

    oi greg u fuckhead and ud no everything dont u.. yes i no holden have more claims but hey if u knew something that theres so many more holdens on the road then ford ayy.. and you ford fags why use say holdenwoo its sounds so damn gay.. and yes we did have a xr8 because did liked the look of the ba-bf over the vy and he wanted a change 2 see how ford are these days.. but we aint going back.. so yeah just maybe we did have bad luck but we had a xr8 ute

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  103. Watto_Cobra Says:

    Goog, sorry I find it hard to believe that a new Falcon required a new engine after 450kms due to electrical problems.

    I’ve lost count how many Falcon taxi’s have clocked well over half a million kms (and are still in reasonable condition).

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  104. Me. Says:

    Anyway goog is too young to drive, he admitted he’s 16.
    I allways knew he was making up the part about his daddy’s Ford braking down brand new, if he’s such a Holden fan, why did he even buy a Ford in the first place? Thats why I asked him If hes a Holden fan, why did he even buy a Ford?

    Goog. I’d watch my self if I where you, making up dark lies isn’t good for you.

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  105. goog Says:

    guys i am being dead serious.. we got it because it looked nice and we were ready for a change. trust me people do it not just all holden all there life.. just like my uncle has a xr6 ute now and ordered a ssv ute. he having a change and see how the holdens are.. alot of people do it guys. and yes only 450 ks, it did get flogged a bit but still how come it wouldnt go after not even 500ks it beats me. so we got it towed back to melbourne and got given a new engine and wiring loom and the rest of it.. but i being serious this did happen we did get it because heard the bf was a good car like the ba so we thought wwe would give it a go..

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  106. Duck Says:

    Im very confused u can buy a fpv typhoon F6 and it is cheaper than a fpv GT but the typhoon F6 is still faster (tyhpoon o-100 km is 5.9 secs for an Auto and GT is 0-100km is 6.3 secs for an Auto).

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  107. goog Says:

    yeah because the gt is a more refined and it does hold that gt badge. and it has bigger brakes and does have the big v8 in it. alot of more upper spec stuff is it the gt

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  108. Stu Says:

    i wonder what price they’ll sell the current model in the runout before the 08 model?

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  109. Watto_Cobra Says:

    Rod Barrett has stated that FPV aren’t about discounts. His strategy atm while waiting for Orion is to release special editions. ie. 40th Anniversary GT, GT Cobra, R-Spec Typhoon. But he doesn’t want FPV to be known as a “Special Edition” company either. Those tactics are purely to tide them through till Orion is released (and it seems to be working, the Cobra sold like hot cakes).

    So I can’t see discounts happening except possibly on the very last run out models. If I weren’t so dead-set on an Orion ‘phoon I would consider saving some money with a run out FPV.

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  110. hotdog Says:

    stripes are for girls, thats why ford leads the way in that domain. what ive found with my ford is that it keeps bloody breaking down. very unreliable car and absolutely not worth the money and attention. i traded the piece of shit in for a 2007 hsv gts.

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  111. Bavarian Missile Says:

    You traded your piece of s..t 2007 gts in for a Phoon.Good move!!haha
    Stripes are for girls….gee I hope your not in a room with 400 Cobra owners ever mate!

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  112. Chopstar87 Says:

    the correct times 0-100 for the Typhoon is 5.2sec \ which is only 0.2 behind ur 2007 GTS……(0-100KM isnt about KW its about torque) which the GTS and Typhoon have 550Nm

    Goog the only holden with orange \ red Dash is the SS-V

    HSV / Holden doesnt offer it on anything else…. the SS-V does 0-100 in 5.7 secs which is the same time as a 2007 Ford XR6 Turbo (Auto – ZF) the only HSV/Holden to beat Typhoon to 100 is the GTS which is like 70-80k and the typhoon only 55-60k…..

    the tyhoon is cheaper because its all about Speed.. the GT is more expensive as its got more in it standard thats all and its not just about speed, its about the GT badge and the mean look…..

    When it comes down to Holden / Ford and how long they last…. its the way its treated i have a 2004 BA XR6 with 65,000 on the clock…no problems at all!!!!! if i remeber correctly you would have been told when u picked up ur new XR8 they would of told u to take it easy for the 1st 750km and then go crazy for the next 750km to run the engine in so these issues dont arise!!!!!

    typhoon is a great car… in my eyes the Best Australian built Car….. not the best in the world by far… when the best cars in the world are like 300K+ and the best cars is worth 2million!!!!

    saying all this i cant wait ti see the 300Kw+ / 575Nm 2008 typhoon line up againest the GTS…. then we will see….

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  113. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Some great points Chopstar……not to mention the price difference…….Im sure if you ask FPV to bolt on some after market headers at a cost of $1200…you would pick that .2 of a second up easily and still have enough to spare on a cheap run around around to boot! Or just blow the rest on it and really nail its arse!!!!!

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  114. Watto_Cobra Says:

    QUOTE Hotdog=”stripes are for girls, thats why ford leads the way in that domain. what ive found with my ford is that it keeps bloody breaking down. very unreliable car and absolutely not worth the money and attention. i traded the piece of shit in for a 2007 hsv gts.”

    I very much doubt you’ve ever had a Ford because you come across as a simple hater.

    Didn’t `70s Monaro’s have stripes? Don’t some of the hotter VE’s have stripes?

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  115. Max Says:

    the aceleration times arent necessarily testament to power and torque. Its the gearing, final drive, how torque and power are delivered. example being in either wheels or motor, they tested a Ford GTX-1 (supercharged GT40) with a Saleen S7. Saleen S7 was lighter and had more power and torque. and you know what? in-gear acceleration Ford won each time except in the highest gear. I recon Turbo 6 cylinder has all the chances of beating a naturally aspirated V8. FPV F6 Typhoon won against its contemporary counterweight VY/VZ R8 in every comparison (wheels/motor mags). Orion will fight the E-Series HSV. It will be quiet a battle…

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  116. Bavarian Missile Says:

    Thats what I thought too Watto!

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  117. Watto_Cobra Says:

    Hi BM. Have a good xmas? I didn’t get my ‘phoon :-( , maybe Santa will bring it late (mid-yearish?) lol.

    Also, didn’t some HDT Brock Commodores have stripes? I wouldn’t call those pansy cars (I don’t see why gender should factor into it).

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  118. jacob Says:

    hay lets admit it the typhoon and the ve gts are both 2 very nice cars ………….

    personly i think the phoon is better cause its just different its always been about v8 v8 v8 v8 and if its not v8 it cant compete with the top dogs and when u always talk to a holden fan all they can come up with is that the holden is better because its a 6L v8 compared to fords 5.4 well lets see who will be hapier when they r at the pertol station hehe i think turbo more ausrtailan instead of us just being more americanised and going for v8s only. nothin wrong with turbo 6

    as said above it doesnt take much to go faster different diff ratios are the best way makes big difference

    fpv superior to holden !!!!!

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  119. mark Says:

    Hay I have just got a F6 bf2 R Spec build No 190,only done 320ks in it so I have not opened it up yet.
    Can anybody tall me how meany came to New Zealand ? also what it will do 0-100 0-180 In the owners maual it is ltd to 250

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  120. AUTOLEC Says:

    HEY MARK CONGRATS,MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO GUTTERS NEARBY WHEN YOU OPEN HER UP!IVE HAD MY F6 FOON FOR 2 YEARS AND I STILL SHIT MYSELF

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  121. jbot Says:

    Haha I’m not suprised Autolec. Great cars guys.

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  122. Watto_Cobra Says:

    Lucky pair of buggers ;-)

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  123. andrew Says:

    i bought my ba mk 11 f6 second hand , all the work was done from the previous owner he quotes around 7k he spent it currnetly has 353rwkw. i keep trying to kill it but so far it seems bullet proof , i’ve had it for nearly 10 000km and the only real downfall is the heat these things are pigs on a stinking hot australian day. i love the fact that everytime i drive this car it has something different but on the otherside of the coin is very unpredictable based on the temp/humidity etc. and for the oval vs lion idiots … stop turning every open forum into a childish game i was enjoying reading the feed back on this article until that junk started. i have been in quick holdens and fords they are both amazing. but nothing beats the sound of forced induction
    tututualk to you later bring on factory blown fpv gt

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  124. andrew Says:

    oh PS there is a vid of me f6 60-160 on youtube its the really poor quality video type f6 or fpv or something, my usename is gunXR .. (used to have the XR8 ) also a lovely machine but doesnt have the same shock value of taking someone for a joyride in the F6 lol.

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  125. Chris NHAC Says:

    I’m just going to say one thing here, and it’s what everyone’s thinking.

    “Goddamn fanboys”.

    Seriously, if you need to have a go at people and get shirty because of their choice of car, all it means is that YOU are insecure about YOUR choice of car. If you really, clearly knew it was the best, you wouldn’t be getting so defensive.

    Don’t be such a dick.

    Yes, I’m looking at you Hotdog, FordFutureDriven, Goog, Adrian, Mike,

    And Ross, stop being a spelling nazi. All it does is highlight that your argument is so weak you have to attack the presentation, because you can’t put a scratch on the idea.

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  126. matster Says:

    Ross. You harp on about BA falcon winning Wheels Car of The Year. Don’t forget the Holden Camira, VN Commodore and (Heaven Forbid) Leyland P76 won this fabulous award. Wheels would’nt know sh*t from butter as far as I’m concerned. I take what they say and do the exact opposite. Has worked so far for the last 20 years so why change a winning formula!

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  127. Duck Says:

    ^The same with The VT Commodore? OR VE?

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  128. F6 Says:

    Holden sucks. Typhoon kicks ass.Cant wait for the 310kw version to come out damm its gonna hammer holdens ass hard

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  129. Duck Says:

    ^Not the GT or GT-P! HSV R8 and GTS are way better than the GT/GT-P!

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  130. Wheelnut Says:

    Yeah but as F6 says the New Typhoon is an awesome car with enough potential power n performance to put the V8s from both Ford/FPV & Holden/HSV to shame.. particularly as Holden don’t have a direct rival for the Typhoon…. ATM.

    However; that is likely to change when the new Direct Injection Twin Turbo Optimised [DITTO] V6; which similar to the one in the Torana is released in a couple of years with the new VF Commodore

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  131. Andrew M Says:

    Wheelnut,
    yes at that time they will have a direct competitor,
    but it will still be no match for the I6 Turbo.

    it will be a sad day when the I6 Turbo production stops.
    it will be a well sought after engine i reckon.

    apparently the new TT V6 ford will get is a pretty good engine, but we will wait and see.
    it still wont match the effortless grunt of the I6 though

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  132. BIG JIM Says:

    In october NZ Autocar they test the F6 and it does 0-100 k.p.h. in 4.82 seconds and 80-120 in a remarkable 2.64 seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A few issues back in a comparo between GTP and R8 (the GTP is $1k cheaper in NZ)they also got 80-120 in 2.95s for the GTP. Heres what they had to say:
    “It scored a G6ET equalling 5.28 (0-100)…the best figure we’ve achieved from a production Aussie V8 to date…..80-120 in 2.95s…anything that gets into the 2s is wickedly quick” .”Get it to 3500rpm and it explodes into action”
    “[The R8 doesn't have] the emphatic boost of bravado the Boss displays when its on cam” R8 0-100 in 5.30 & 80-120 in 3.17. …R8 felt slower”
    “GTP 15.1L/100k v R8 18plusL/100k”
    “LS3 is starting to show its age”
    “THE VERDICT…If forced to choose, it would be the FPV for its superior powertrain, but you’d be mad not to drive the F6 before deciding”

    NZ Autocar do the performance testing properly, by using a Vbox and 98RON fuel.

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  133. phil Says:

    I good to see that guys are so passionate about cars.
    As a bystander who likes & hates both ford and holden.
    I think the F6 and the HSV and good/bad points but I think that the Aussie cars need to get the inside of cars up todate. We spend most of our time inside and yet a ford is big dials and plastic and the holdens arent too far behind. The European and some Jap cars are far more superior. Yes I want Aussie cars to stay but get with the picture and start upgrading the comfort levels and factory standards. As a performance car driver I think if you are paying extra for the power you shouldnt get a car that looks like the base model inside.

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  134. Stevo Says:

    Typhoon is really cool, i actually have a stock XT with a complete running gear from a Typhoon including brakes and suspension, looks like a normal car on the outside, but once you peek at the 20″ wheels you’ll see the braking package and once you look at the back you’ll see a chrome tip exhaust and once u hear it, its like a Typhoon F6, though i am running 502kW/970Nm at the fly-wheel on a stock motor and internals with larger inter-cooler, all tuned up, full exhaust 3.0″ all the way. I am happy with 3.7s 0-100km/h time.

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  135. Do they really want to sell cars? Says:

    [...] It’s what I intend upgrading to within the next year or 2.  I’d like to quote from an article I read about driving it, just to give an idea of what it’s like: One thing’s for certain, [...]

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  136. Glazerbeam Says:

    HSV all the way. And to some idiot before stripes dont make you go any quicker and the way they are painted on the f6 actually make the car look worse than better. Kinda like the peugeot bonnet scoop, tiny little thing on drivers side only lol.

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