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2009 Mazda3 MPS – First Steer

When you can make your hero car perform better, look more appealing, add extra equipment and potentially sell better but lower the price, even if only by a few hundred dollars, then you are probably on a winner, especially if it’s the Mazda3 MPS.

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By David Twomey

We are talking about a car that makes up only a tiny percentage of the Mazda3 sales but it casts a strong shadow over the image of the Mazda3 range and the brand in general.

Pricing for the MPS starts at $39, 690*, $300 below the price of the out-going model, for the base model and rises to $43,290* for the Luxury version.

The previous model was amongst the most powerful hot hatches around, but it brought with it road manners that were questionable, including vicious torque-steer.

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Taming that torque steer now are stiffer drive-shafts and more precise control of the intake volume and boost pressure to avoid sudden torque spikes.

The new car is heavy, by 50 kilograms, although its body is actually lighter than before, the result of a more rigid body, bigger tyres (Dunlop 225/40 R18), larger fuel tank and more equipment.

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Under the bonnet, which now features a very prominent scoop to feed the air demands of the turbocharged engine, things remain almost unchanged from the previous model.

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The 2.3-litre, direct-injection, turbocharged, four-cylinder engine with a top-mounted intercooler, produces an unchanged 190kW at 5500rpm, while the substantial torque figure of 380Nm at 3000rpm also remains the same.

The clutch has a short bite and takes a bit of getting used to but once the take-up point becomes familiar its easy to use with the six-speed manual gearbox’s wider settings and higher gear points.

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Fuel consumption has been trimmed slightly; it’s now 9.9l/100km – down 0.1 – while three grams to 235gm/km reduce emissions.

Based on the recently released Mazda3 the car has a much strong visual look than the previous MPS, which Mazda learned was just too much of a “sleeper” for its target market.

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That market is very much the ‘boy racer’ type although Mazda expects the almost exclusively male market to move up in age bracket to the 35 to 49 year olds.

Mazda expects about 70 buyers a month will drive away in the MPS, which is a drop in the ocean compared to the 3000+ sales a month for the mainstream models, and it also expects 70 per cent of those sales to be the Luxury model.

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Rival include the Ford Focus XR5, RenaultSport Megane, Subaru Impreza WRX, Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart and the soon to be released Volkswagen Golf GTI.

Having taken previous criticism to heart Mazda has worked hard on the styling, suspension, road and wind noise, to give the MPS a more solid, quieter ride, and aggressively distinctive sport look. In fact Mazda says noise, vibration and harshness has been improved by a significant 11 per cent.

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All Mazda3 MPS models come standard with a high-end 4.1-inch colour information control screen, satellite-navigation, Bluetooth phone connectivity, a six-CD sound system with auxiliary jack, dual-zone climate-control, cruise control, keyless entry/start, a comprehensive trip computer, eight-way adjustable driver’s seat and a leather-wrapped steering wheel. Metallic paint is a no-cost option.

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The MPS also has the must-have for all sports models these days and comes with a start button, plus a digital turbo boost gauge, while softer plastic has been used in interior surfaces, with red interior trim highlights and sports bucket seats lined with a mix of black leather and red cloth.

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Spending the $43,290 for the Luxury model adds adaptive bi-Xenon headlights, a premium Bose sound system, rain-sensing wipers and an auto-dimming rear-view mirror.

The cabin has a snug, sporty feel to it and the heavily bolstered seats hug the body during hard driving, something we were able to test in the complete safety of a driver training facility outside of the national capital, Canberra.

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A large floating rear spoiler and 18-inch alloys, with rotary-inspired spokes, sporting the already mentioned wider rubber than the previous model add to the grip, and enhance the edgy styling.

A revised stiffer McPherson strut suspension, with stronger bracing means the MPS is more poised, even over uneven bitumen, but the firm suspension does tend to produce some see-sawing on our undulating roads. A torque-sensing super limited-slip differential does its bit to help prevent you getting untidy with the front-wheel-drive.

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Up front the brakes are 320mm ventilated discs and 280mm solid discs at the rear, Aiding them in their job is ABS with electronic brake-force distribution, traction control and Electronic Stability Control (ESC), along with active front headrests and front, side and curtain airbags.

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Out on the road the MPS is a quick, torquey performer that needs less cog-swapping to keep it on the boil, charging through sweeping corners with considerably confidence, but getting a little more untidy when the road surface becomes rough or undulating.

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Noise levels are much improved but still on the high side while the ride and handling are good, although the firmness can get caught out, again by our rough road surfaces.

CarAdvice will have a full review of the Mazda3 MPs in the next few weeks.

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  • Vid_Ghost

    Great review…This new mps looks to be a vast improvement over the previous model. Well done Mazda

  • VW Freak

    I’d consider one of these if Mazda did a dual-clutch automated manual transmission.

  • FrugalOne

    *****PRIMO!*****

    WOW cost less than haondas SI Civic!

    Looks to boy-racer, what ever happened to stealth and class looks, such as a similar priced GTi Golf?

    Does it still go like a cut-cat and torque-steer like crazy, do you have to leave it parked on a wet and raining day?I think this sort of output in a FWD is a no no!

    Still makes that haonda Civic SI seem like a real BIG joke

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Alex

    I like it all bar the seat trim; I feel this is just Mazda trying to have their own version of the GTI tartan and it looks cheap and nasty.
    The smile looks better with the bonnet scoop and it is very well equipped, but I’m pretty sure that if I was to buy one, I’d wish I had bought a GTI about five minutes afterwards. I just like Golfs a lot more and you do get better quality in a Golf; you can feel it, you can smell it. The Golf, thanks to it’s simple unfussy design, will always have more class aswell.

  • GGG

    Being a MPS6 owner – the new MPS3 luxury model is certainly looking like good value for money (on the AWD vs FWD is holding me back currently).

    Its great value for money in the real-world overtaking and highway cruising stakes….its 3rd gear will shame many a more expensive vehicle.

  • FrugalOne

    Is it just me or does this added fugly body-kit on this NOT already non-pretty vehicle, make it look “busy” and confussed?

    From all angles and with all these add-ons it really looks complicated, fussy and over the top, Mazda needs to do a “KISS” to it.

    I know they CAN do such, check out the simple but s.exy looking MX5, it really is perfect.

    Maybe the MX5 needs this MPS powertrain fitted, that would be interesting, you can buy better hatch for the same coin or less imho [haonda civic hatch off all types excl.]

    Cheers

    F-0

    • Sportivo

      mmm, Sounds like your too old and boring to drive a Mazda 3 MPS. Maybe try the Neo instead of an MX5(more your type of car) the design is supposed to be edgy and fast thus looking busy! I love it!!! Keeping it simple, yep I’m going back to the Neo. OMG lmao

  • Tom

    The looks spoil it for me, the rest of the car seems awesome. I thought maybe the Mazda 3 gaping grin thing would grow on me, sadly its done the opposite. Does have a lot of kit for the price.

  • Myke

    I don’t mind the bodykit and spoiler, atleast Mazda have done it properly unlike other car companies like Toyota. Who look as though they practically glued on a bodykit to the bumpers 20 minutes before they put it out on the showroom floor.

    I think it gives a the 3 an even more rakish, sportier look. People complained about how subtle the last MPS looked, Mazda have obviously responded to that with the new model.

  • FrugalOne

    If your in the market for a $40k sports-hatch, best you get your order in NOW for the soon to arrive Golf GTi, if all it has to compete with is this fugly thing and the funny priced haonda civic si, the Gti will be a total sellout, again…

    Might be a fraction slower than a MPS3, who cars, but other than that better in near every single way and looks total class over these jobs.

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Andrew

    Agreed, Myke.

    The alloy wheels look just like the RX-8′s, are they the same?

  • Andrew

    FrugalOne, the original Mazda3 MPS didn’t sell well because it was conservatively styled. People who buy a Mazda appreciate amongst other things the unique styling and would expect the most expensive and sporty model to amplify the styling, where Mazda originally toned it down.

    People who wanted understated bought a Golf. Mazda realised this, made something a bit more lairy and for those who don’t want subtle, they have the new-gen Mazda3 MPS.

  • Toxic_Horse

    “you do get better quality in a Golf; you can feel it, you can smell it. The Golf, thanks to it’s simple unfussy design, will always have more class aswell.:”

    What a load of rubbish. Golfs are for darlinghurst wankers.

  • Supply & Demand

    If Connect East are still short of a dollar they could start charging car companies for use of the Eastlink freeway for photoshoots. If I had a dollar for everytime I saw a picture of a car driving infront of those orange sound barriers I could just about retire.

  • http://internode.on.net Pete

    I have to agree with most above posts. I’m more into understated, so like the Golf GTI.
    I do hope they have fixed the bloody terrible torque-steer of this thing.

  • Golfschwein

    No Mazda 3s in darlinghurst, Toxic Horse?

  • Golfschwein

    I mean, they are very gay, you know, especially with their huge new Julia Roberts Girly Grin.

  • HAL

    I’d really like to know how many of the armchair experts here have actually driven the previous 3 MPS? They are bucketloads of fun, and you don’t have to drive it like a cut cat all the time, but if you want to lose a few points off your license, this car will happily oblige. Now, with better levels of finish, an updated interior and seemingly addressed torque steer issues (for those of you with chicken-wing arms), this seems like the best bang-for-your-buck package out there. It’s not going to be for everybody, but when it comes out, get out there and test drive one. I guarantee you will not want to hand the keys back. I can’t wait!

    PS. And for crying out loud, if you don’t like the looks, either buy it in black or don’t buy it. Less wating list times for me, but have fun in the ‘sleeper’ Golf GTi line!

  • The Realist

    Why would you buy this?

    Get a second hand BMW 130i and get the best in class handling you can buy.

  • The Realist

    HAL Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    “this seems like the best bang-for-your-buck package out there.”

    Sorry, BMW 135i kills it.

  • AnthonyM

    Crunching the numbers now!!!! Hope to have one by end of October.

  • adam (aka mada)

    The gaping grille of the entire mazda 3 range doesn’t appear to offend the true buying public, Mazda 3 sales have bolted out of the gate.
    It appears more on this site hate the grille more than anybody else.
    At least you can tell it’s a Mazda and doesn’t blend like the majority of vehicles in this class.

  • HAL

    so how much is a BMW135i, Realist? What a stupid comparison. Of course it’s going to kill this with it’s 6cy twin turbo engine. This is half the price.

  • MB

    Given the cooking versions have poor NVH levels will the MPs be any better ? People forking out tha sort of coin what better quality.

    They last MPS 3 (for the matter the first MPS 6) had excellent in gear performance it is a shame car companies seem to want to put weight on their new models rather than reduce.

  • Alex

    Toxic_Horse, how exactly is it a load of rubbish? It’s true. I don’t know about reliability, I don’t want to start that debate, but you would be very hard pressed to find anything in the Golf’s cabin or exterior that you could describe as cheap. The 3 on the other hand…
    As for smell, well yes it is a bit wanky to say one car smells better than another but it’s also true. That’s why a new Bentley doesn’t smell the same as a new Hyundai. The Golf does smell of higher quality than the Mazda.
    And no, I’m not a Golf owner.

  • http://Caradvice.com.au Baddass

    One of the most desirable cars I have ever seen.

  • Reckless1

    Nothing about this makes me want to buy it.

    Looks are too ricer, stupid spoiler over the back window – good for camping under, I suppose.

    It won’t dethrone the GTI – not the MKV or the upcoming MKVI.

  • Brent

    Alex: “you would be very hard pressed to find anything in the Golf’s cabin or exterior that you could describe as cheap.”

    The styling!

    Don’cha love how VW people describe it as ‘Evolutionary’. It’s just a buzz-word to hide the fact that VW overspent on MkV and are recouping costs by putting a restyled body over a largely unchanged platform or structure.

    It doesn’t stop it from being a good looking car, and they’ve got pretty good material and build quality.

  • ZoomZoom

    I cannot think of any reason anyone would want to buy another hot hatch unless:
    1. You can’t drive manual
    2. Looks are too over the top for you
    3. You are brain washed into thinking the Golf is the only hot hatch out there

    The Mazda 3 MPS offers great value, amazing performance and also quality and reliability.

  • darren

    Mazda really needs to make the rear bumper part black like the Maxx Sport. Having the color coded rear defuser bumper looks very plain.

  • gearboxdawg

    I prefer the sedan version if they are ever going to make one.

  • GGG

    I think the 3rd and 4th gear 80-120′s between the new MPS3 and the 135i will be very close. The beemer’s engine is a blinder but the car is heavy for its size.

  • tim

    how can this be compared to a 09 wrx-come on!!look at the rex figures and awd,different class

  • davie

    The previous MPS was a pretty amazing machine. I liked the sleeper look personally. I never noticed torque steer myself but a lot of people comment on it…

    I really think that this new car has the potential to become a real classic, thats if Mazda have kept enough of what made the old one great but fixed the rough edges.

    In the old one, first and second gear were alright, the computer limited boost in those gears. The full-boost acceleration in 3rd gear was simply blistering. It never failed to make me laugh in sheer amazement as the massive power was finally unleashed and the the speed rose from 80-120 in 3 seconds or something.

    I’m looking forward to hearing how crazy this machine is, no doubt they have tamed the engine a bit, I wonder how this will make the car feel on-road?

  • Alex

    ZoomZoom, it’s all about preference. You are obviously a big Mazda fan and that’s fine but all the reviews I’ve read for this so far still think that it’s a bit short of the mark.
    As for your comments about the Golf, well it’s not about being brainwashed, it’s that the Golf is just the most generally impressive of all the hot hatches.
    It’s not as if this has come along and suddenly the Golf has it’s first rival, there have been worthy rivals for ages such as the Focus XR5, the RenaultSport Megane, the Octavia RS and obviously, the one that comes the closest to the Golf, the Civic Type R.
    My point is that you see plenty of all of these cars on the road (except the Skoda, but it’s on the way up) so it’s not like the Golf is the only one and everybody thinks so.
    I think that perhaps the styling of the new 3 is a bit of a deal-breaker for some. I think it looks good but many don’t. My biggest problem with the styling is that I guarantee that it will look very dated by the next generation 3, basically because Mazdas keep getting more modern so it’s only natural. It’s also not very classy, but then the understated hot hatch is always going to have more class than the one with a spoiler and a bonnet scoop.
    As I wrote at the beginning, it’s all about preference. Yours obviously goes to the 3, but it’s unfair to say that you can’t think why anybody would buy any other hot hatch. Especially when this hasn’t yet taken the crown of class leader and frankly, probably won’t.

  • technofreak

    oh the temptation….trying….to….fight…it!!…damn! don’t think i can do it!!…

  • Yanzo

    “super slip-diff” lol i bet they went to the rs team and was like excuse me ford… maybe we borrow your suspension design from your focus rs?

    i guess i’ll just have to wait for the full review

  • Jake02

    I really like this MPS alot more than the normal 3. The stupid mouth actually seems to have a purpose to it – the car has the performance to back up it’s mouth. Great-looking, good-value (you so don’t need the top model – it adds bugger-all) and no doubt it moves well!

    Good work Mazda, now just bring out the Mazda3 Diesel please.

  • ZoomZoom

    Alex I agree with you on many points but I just find that some people wouldn’t even consider the Mazda 3 MPS just because they think (and also many reviewers have said)that the Golf Gti is the best thing out there. This might be true for many people but not for me. The Golf doesn’t offer me the performance (I mean grunt) that I would be after and I don’t really care if it smells better. Both are great quality products but I swinging towards the Mazda. I like the styling (esp. the new bonnet scoop) and also the equipment it has on offer.

  • AAA

    fugly.. no wonder the designer got kicked out

  • jon

    The Golf is better quality and everyone with any sense accepts that but the mazda is still a good second except for the dumb smile.

  • Pops

    Not sure what everyones’ obsession with the gti is about…. good car but to be honest I find the performance lacking. This is combination with the fact every tom, dick & harry owns one (we have 3 in our workplace carpark) is starting to make it a tad boring aka the rafts of 90s wrxs I used to see everywhere.

    Thankyou Mazda for adding some flavour to this segment & engineering a hatch with real performance figures. Definitely not a fan of the gaping grin looks but each to their own.

    Shall be interesting to see what VW do with the MkVI R series Golf. Is it true they are ditching the 6 & tweaking the gti’s 2L turbo? Now that might be a car I’d be interested in!

  • aj555

    screams RICE to me

  • Gambler88

    i’ve had the previlege of owning an impreza, one of my best friend had a golf, and my sister had a 3. to compare the three the impreza had a really cheap feel, especially the centre console. between the golf and the 3, the interior are as good as each other. the ride comfort are about the same. i can tell you my friend wasn’t too happy when he found out that they only take premium fuel in the golf and when times up for servicing. from talking around at work and to different people, generally (i said generally) european cars are more expensive to run and service than say japanese/australian/korean cars. the impression the golf are better than the 3 is more psychological than reality. i also knew someone who purchased a bmw 3 only to sell it 1.5 years later, not because it was causing him trouble but because the cost of maintaning it was getting to much for him so he switch to a honda accord.

  • Jweb

    Sounds great mechanically,and very good value,however xr5t,probably more of a bargain.
    I like the back,and side views.But when i look at the front its like a bug an steroids and makes me wonder what happened to Mazda’s design direction.Yet another Subaru incarceration of a car…..UGLY

  • Al

    The one thing that is wrong with all these little hot hatches – front wheel drive. I wish they made this (or the Golf, et al) in RWD. For me, a nice sweet spot would be $40K, RWD, light (under 1400KG) and between 150-200KW. Stick this engine in the MX-5, and I make it around $40K, I’m sold.

  • “james”

    front end looks great on the mps compared to the SP25, the front quarter panel also looks good flared out. the rear end lights need more black like the olde mazda 3 lights to make the led pop out more. it also needs a black plastic coloured rear “difusser” like the current bmw 1 series cars and the old sp23.

    i’d definately cop this car if i had the cash. Either this, the golf gti or the new sciroco (or whatever it’s called when it is released) the RS focus would absolutely kill the mps though and every other car this side of 100K shame ford aren’t bringing it in from what i heard.

  • QwkEddie

    A good alternative to the over rated Golf GTI.I would still like to see it in the flesh,the Silver doesn’t look too bad at all!

  • Martin

    It looks too tarted up to me, the old one looked nicer.

  • eff1dude

    The last time I saw a mouth like that, I was snorkeling on the Great Barrier Reef and the ‘mouth’ was munching on some coral …

  • MB

    Though the GTI might be down on power an easy fix is a ECU flash with proven results. Though the Golf is not the fastest it has proven on many reviews that it is the best allround vehicle. Performance & handling would be the Megane but people dont like the looks. Ford Focus is another not to be discounted either.

    To me the Mazda just does not have the overall quality & solid strength of the Euro’s poor NVH which is still a bug bear.

  • Lukaas

    the previous MPS3 looks twice more masculine than this one. Looks “okay” but with the exception of the massive bonnet scoop, this looks like a chick car like its non MPS version, yes looks so cute and adorable as my female friends describe it….

    :-)

    I agree! hehe

    but yeah the main problem dynamic wise was that the previous MPS has terrible torque steer.. if you can call it like that almost 400NM on front wheel, the wet cornering definitely was tricky and can get unpredictable…

    I’d rather buy a second hand previous MPS3 for 28K AUD than close to 40K for this… just me.. or even better the MPS6 which is about 28K-35K with 4WD access…

    if I must spend 40+K then MY2009 WRX looks fairer and “safer” for the purchase….

  • Sumodog

    This car is ugly. Apart from that i love it.

  • Aussiecars

    Little too over the top with that bonnet scoop in my opinion. Besides that looks pretty good exterior wise, but that silly red spray paint look everywhere in the interior is just plain wrong.

  • The Realist

    HAL Says:
    July 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    “so how much is a BMW135i, Realist? What a stupid comparison. Of course it’s going to kill this with it’s 6cy twin turbo engine. This is half the price.”

    Your original idiotic comment was “this seems like the best bang-for-your-buck package out there” – an extremely silly comment considering what else is in the marketplace. I pointed out the 135i kills it on every level, and is regarded as one of the best buys out there. And it’s not double the price.

    FYI I can purchase a two year old 130i for $40K. 190kW with RWD, 50:50 weight distribution, better quality, more features, better brand. What would you rather own? You’re a muppet if you’d prefer to own a FWD boy racer than a RWD best in class handler.

  • Lukaas

    yes Realist, but the 130i looks like a squashed up 335i with disproportionate headlamps!

    But I understand the concept… if they made the 130i and 135i “Pretty” then there will be NO point in buying an M3 unless you just have the extra cash to burn and must drive the “M” badge… spec wise the 130i is sweet as!
    But as per first line, UGLY as! maybe except the rear view and the hatch looks okay from the 3rd angle REAR view also…

  • autogyro

    It’s somewhat disappointing that the Bi-Xenon adaptive headlights are only offered on the Luxury model for the Mazda3 MPS, when it’s offered on the SP25 and Maxx Sport in the US. Perhaps after a year or two, these options and others can make their way down into the lower trim levels.

  • Driver

    I sort of agree with others here

    I would seriously consider a silver or black 2 year old BMW 130i over the current group of hot hatches (considering on road they’d all be around 42K)

  • The Realist

    Lukaas Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
    “yes Realist, but the 130i looks like a squashed up 335i with disproportionate headlamps!”

    Sure the 130i is not the most attractive in the BMW range.

    But is the FWD boy racer pictured above handsome? It looks like it belongs in Lakemba. And take a look at all the other FWD hot hatches – none are particularly good looking.

  • http://ozmazdaclub.com Ozmazdaclub

    I was lucky to have been invited by Mazda to test drive the new MPS3 at Sutton Rd Driving Centre ACT on behalf of Ozmazdaclub. I can say that there is a huge improvement over the previous model as its power delivery is more refined and not as raw as the previous model but still lightning fast.The gear change is slick and precise and the suspension and brakes work perfectly. The list of creature comforts are outstanding and the attention to detail is second to none….

    Rick Bates and Brendan Reeves were on site giving us pointers and also taking us on hot laps in the Targa MPS3 Cars…

    I will say that I’m not fussed on the silver and the steering wheel is a bit busy for me….

    The training centre track is a great contrast to normal Aus roads which tested the new MPS suspension and brakes.

    I’m a fan of the new look 3 and the MPS has now stepped up to stand alone from a normal 3. The muscular lines and the large bonnet scoop give the MPS a street greed look….the start button is a great inclusion.

    OK I have read the above posts and yes no one is taking away the fact that the Golf is the stable mark for the hot hatch but Mazda have stepped up and given the MPS some mongrel so it can fight for the honours…lets see in a few months with the sales..

    I for will be ordering a red one in Feb 2010 when the lease for my Mazda 2 Genki reaches two years….

    Great car awesome power fantastic brakes and looks that will be loved or hated…..its all done to preference.

  • Golfschwein

    It’s interesting to see so many comments make a reference to the Golf. Both are where it’s at right now, it seems.

    For me, of course, it’s Golf. It’s Leonard Cohen versus Robbie Williams…both cool, and for different tastes.

  • Alex

    How old are you Golfschwein? Neither of those people are cool.

  • Golfschwein

    Oh well, maybe you’re a Pink guy, then.

  • Alex

    Nope, can’t stand her or anybody like her. I wasn’t commenting on the music (though I will admit I can’t stand Robbie Williams), I was saying that neither person is cool.

  • Golfschwein

    Okay, I’ll keep music out of future posts. This is awkward. It was a wistful, light-hearted acknowledgement that different cars have different characters and appeal to different people and the Golf has a heavy-set personality but does everything extremely (barely pause for breath here) well and if it was a muso, it’d probably be like Leonard Cohen (but not necessarily so, should anyone disagree cos they don’t like Leonard Cohen)cos it’s been around for a long time and, and, and…so does the Mazda 3 do everything well but it’s kinda like Robbie Williams, being more (gasp for breath again) frenetic and bouncy with NVH issues and when you said you don’t like either, I though Oh Crumbs! Cripes! maybe he likes Pink, but then you say well ya dunt like her neither cos she’s a flashy bint and (big breath here) really, Golfschwein must admit he’s not really a fan of Robbie Williams OR Pink, but recognises that lots of people are, just like lots of people like the Mazda 3, and was really just (takes breath) trying to be diplomatic when so few people on here are.

    Golfschwein is truly lost for words.

  • HAL

    Realist, you have simply confirmed my previous opinion of you. Tosser. Complete and utter dropkick. (Hey, I figured that since we were on a name calling journey here why not join in.) You could hardly call my opinion, which is that this is the best bang-for your buck NEW car out there at the moment, a stupid one. I don’t want a second hand BMW hatch that some loser like you has thrashed for the first 40K kms of it’s life. Do us all a favour and keep your stupid opinions to yourself.

  • HAL

    And Realist, a 135i is at least double the price. $80K+ last time I checked. Hell, you may as well compare this to the Bugatti Veyron and say, “but the Bugatti kills this”. Get a clue.

    • James Cortez

      I agree with you Hal (your comment / reply to “the realist” dated 24/7/09), people who bought the BMW 130i – brand new back then – more likely than not must have trashed it up to the point hwne the second owners take over. the bimmer would have had a ” hard life” while the new Mazda 3 MPS would still have barnd new 3 yrs/100K warranty and likely more reliable too. Yes “the realist” is stupid. Can’t compare 85K BMW 130i to 40K Mazda 3 MPS. Tell him the R35 GTR at 150 K would kill the BMW 130 i at 85K.

  • The Realist

    HAL Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 11:26 am
    “Realist, you have simply confirmed my previous opinion of you. Tosser. Complete and utter dropkick.”

    I’d equate terms like tosser and loser to plebs driving around in $45K FWD buzzboxes thinking they’ve made it in the world.

    “You could hardly call my opinion, which is that this is the best bang-for your buck NEW car out there at the moment, a stupid one.”

    You never used the word “new” in your original comment bud.

    “I don’t want a second hand BMW hatch that some loser like you has thrashed for the first 40K kms of it’s life.”

    Loser? I’m not the one who’s gone all orgasmic over a hot hatch destined for the annals of Lakemba and Greenacre. Is your favourite food the supersize Big Mac meal with coke?

    “Do us all a favour and keep your stupid opinions to yourself.”

    I’ll keep calling it as I see it – and what I see is a muppet like you electing to purchase a boy racer over a much better second hand buy.

    HAL Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
    “And Realist, a 135i is at least double the price. $80K+ last time I checked.”

    At least double the price? Sorry, wrong again. You’ve conveniently forgotten on road costs etc for the boy racer.

  • PaulS

    Either boy racer or complete prick…. There’s a car for everyone out there! Sheeez!!!

  • ZoomZoom

    I was in one today. Looks amazing and drives even better. Improvements from the previous model include a more sporty exhaust note, firmer ride, feels really grippy and much more equipment. The base model comes with keyless entry/push start button and electric leather seats. Very nice features for a car thats gone down a little on price.

  • Hayzel

    190kw of power with no handling = waste of money on the road. You will never use that power on an australian road. Taking power out of the picture try and consider what is left for maza 3 MPS..it has none of the stellar handling like honda civic type R or golf GTI. It doesn’t have the build refinement like golf GTI or honda civic type R. Mazda 3 MPS will only appeal to those who read a brochure just to find out how much power a car has and decide their purchase solely on that and other gimmicks that is mazda 3 MPS.

  • MazMagic

    Do I smell ‘German Car’ arrogance here – those who think because a car is simply German (BMW/VW), it ‘HAS to be better – end of story’?

    Don’t write of the Japanese, they can build pretty good cars for much much less – about time the Germans wake up to this. 3MPS aside, I hope Mazda will put the 2.3L Turbo into the MX-5….

  • Devil’s Advocate

    I keep reading about the “vicious” torque steer of the previous model and continually scratch my head. Yes, the previous model does torque steer if you are ham-fisted with your power application in situations where it would be questionable to even apply that much power to a RWD etc, but I would hardly call it vicious. Remember the old Mazda MX6 Turbo and other 80s Turbo FWD cars? Now THEY had vicious torque steer. If you drive the car properly with smooth power applications etc (like you should) the LIGHT tugging of the wheel can actually serve as a good form of feedback on power application, just like when you start to get the rear stepping out on a RWD under power.

    On a side note I can also hazard a guess that Hayzel either hasn’t driven a 3MPS or doesn’t know how to drive. If the 3MPS can’t handle, how come it has continually been up the pointy end of the production car class in events like the Targa Tasmania etc? This also includes a 10th outright and 1st production car home in 2007. Whilst I am not saying it is the best handling car out there, far from it, it is not a car with “no handling”. Motoring reviewers have recorded higher lateral G loads and slalom times in the 3MPS than cars like the “superior handling AWD” WRX etc. Not to mention in a “Road and Track” review, the 3MPS accellerated faster to 60mph, stopped shorter, recorded more lateral G and a faster slalom time (a good handling benchmark as it tests change of direction) than your benchmark Golf GTi, the Mini Cooper S and Honda Civic Si Sedan. If the 3MPS has “no handling”, I would love to know how you would describe the handling of the other cars in that test! I am not saying it is a better car than the Golf, I am just saying it is a better car than you give it credit for. IMHO the Golf GTi STILL is the best all rounder of the hot hatch brigade, but the minor flaws of the 3MPS also go towards making it more fun when you are pushing it and give it it’s character. Plus what is wrong with going with something different??!! :-)

  • tim

    why do people keep going on about golf gti and mps3 and say its class leading.go drive the 09 wrx sedan.idid and bought one in april.it is a sensational car in power,handling and everyday driving.the golf and mazda are fine cars but they’re not the best of the best.

  • Falcodore

    Tim, ive driven a current model STI, and while it is a good car, it didnt give me the adrenalin rush the MPS (1st gen) did. Plus the interior just felt and looked cheap and the dash design was very boring IMO. But my mate enjoys driving it, so each to his own.

    On a side note, it would be interesting to see an MPS in the WRC.

  • The Realist

    MazMagic Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    “Do I smell ‘German Car’ arrogance here – those who think because a car is simply German (BMW/VW), it ‘HAS to be better – end of story’?”

    So you think the MPS handles better than a BMW 130i? It’s not arrogance at all – just facts bud.

  • Jerome

    I’m with Tim. I can’t believe what a narrow focus some people have when it comes to hot hatches – its not simply golf gti or nothing. I drove a lot of them in April before I bought my MY09 WRX. Now I’m not saying the WRX is best in class – it just suited my needs and goes like stink. I drove a MkV golf gti, MPS and focus XR5. The FWD cars just didn’t do it for me – they just don’t feel like a true driver’s car – almost like a corolla with heaps more horsepower and crap handling. The AWD in the WRX takes corners like you wouldn’t believe, and while its not as pure as a RWD its sure better than most of the FWD cars out there. The only one that almost swayed me was the focus xr5 – that is a nice car except most people don’t bother taking their blinkers off and just go out and buy the golf gti. What a shame….

  • Devil’s Advocate

    As good as the WRX is mechanically etc, it still has interior plastics that make most Korean cars look like an Audi. I don’t know what they are thinking, but besides the current and about to be superceeded Liberty (which has a very good quality interior), the plastics in ALL their models, including the +$50,000 Tribeca, have been ordinary to say the least. A couple of months ago I had a look in a Tribecca and the plastics looked like they could have easily come out of a $15,990 Korean car like a Barina. It would be bad enough in a mid $20k car let alone something worth north of $55,000 on road for the base model. It is a shame as the actual fit was very good, it just seemed like you could scratch the plastics by just looking at them!

  • Jerome

    I agree Devil’s Advocate. The lunchbox plastics in my WRX border on embarassing and yes it’s a shame because the actual fit is superb. Although in reality I feel too much is made of the quality of the interior plastics these days – mind you the mazdas aren’t much better by the way. Of course the Europeans like the golf gti do interiors much better, but you could also say mechanically they’re not bolted together as well as some of the Japanese eg Subaru, Mazda, Honda. So its a bit of give and take – you give up quality interior for a bulletproof drivetrain.

  • http://caradvice Ted

    Mazda, keep it up as your cars are great

  • HAL

    Realist: so now this is a class war? And you’re basing my socio-economic circumstance on the fact I used certain words to describe my opinion of you? Right….maybe I should have also used judgemental, arrogant, or even elitist to describe you?

    No, I think I’ll stick with my original description: “Tosser. Complete and utter dropkick”. Basic yes, but accurate nonetheless. Bud.

  • DC

    Falcodore,

    You really crack me up. You must be a real crap driver if you thought that MPS 3 gave you more adrenaline rush than the new STi. Trying getting a ride in it with someone capable of pushing the car to its limit. You will see that you shouldn’t even be comparing the STi to MPS 3. They don’t even come close! MPS 3 might not be much slower in straight line due to the ridiculous amount of power, but it won’t fare well against STi in corners.

    The new MPS 3 seem to be well-equipped, but I personally find it extremely fugly. Any MPS 3 owner claiming that they don’t have issues with torque steer is a liar. I’ve been in one and the amount of torque steer was extreme!
    Well, I decided to never buy a FWD car again. The power/torque you see on paper is very misleading as you won’t be able to put it down on the road especially in first and second gear. My modded XR5 has 191kw/447nm and it is useless in the wet. Cars like WRX, VW R32 can be floored off the line even in the wet with minimal loss of traction.

  • The Realist

    HAL Says:
    July 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
    “Realist: so now this is a class war? And you’re basing my socio-economic circumstance on the fact I used certain words to describe my opinion of you? Right….maybe I should have also used judgemental, arrogant, or even elitist to describe you?”

    Someone’s overreacting… but I still think you’re a pleb.

    “No, I think I’ll stick with my original description: “Tosser. Complete and utter dropkick”. Basic yes, but accurate nonetheless. Bud.”

    Gee, all this vitriol because I stated a second hand BMW 1 series has better handling, on par performance, 50:50 weight distribution, better quality, more features, and better badge cachet.

  • TDo

    Well done Mazda on producing a car with as much power as possible without much thought to anything else, ie how it would have an impact on the car.

    Since the rx7 days finished I haven’t found a satisfying ride/drive from any of Mazdas’ range.

    The Realist; I think the reason for his reactions is due to you calling his opinion/comments “idiotic and silly”
    That isn’t a very friendly thing to say.
    Others opinions or views on things might not be how you might think or see of things, most people are unique (you would hope so) but making them feel inferior, knocking them down for their views isn’t very mature or welcoming.

    ;]

  • Devil’s Advocate

    I wouldn’t go that far TDo. If you really enjoy the ‘pure mechanics’ of driving on a nice twisty road etc, there isn’t much under $100k that is as pure, or using your words satisfying, as an MX-5. It is a car that proves you don’t always need to have huge amounts of power to enjoy ‘spirited’ driving. I know I am not the only one who thinks like this too! :-)

  • HEEFFY

    For all of you out there that assume because there are big torque and HP figures through this model MPS and the previous model, you get loads of torque steer, i ask, have any of you actually driven one? or just made a stupid assumption. I own the outgoing model 2006 3MPS and after driving it for 3 years can tell you that if you accelerate 100% and only have 1 finger on the steering wheel, the car will go in a straight line. 100% everytime, even in the wet. As said before, i understand all you people with little chicken wing arms and chicken legs that cant control a clutch or hold onto a steering wheel with some grip. You all just sound like rear wheel drive obsessed fools. Appreciate the car for what it, and it is a great car, ive already got this model on order in white and cant wait to go upto to Darlinghurst and take all the street cred and rights away from all the euro trash hot hatches that should just stick to deisel.

  • ZoomZoom

    Heeffy I agree with you but a white mps won’t be coming to Australia(or at least from what I’ve heard). Only Velocity red, celestial blue, black and aluminium metallic

  • TuffGuy

    Well I for one will stick with my 08 WRX because I like it. Having a really nice dash may be good to look at but for me I don’t drive the dashboard, I drive the car. On my priority list how the car drives is more important than what the dash is made of or how it looks. The WRX is AWD which means I don’t have to struggle with FWD torque steer and that is what I like. The WRX is competitively priced and has a ton of grunt and that is what I like. IMO I think the new 3 is fugly which I don’t like.
    I recently drove a (normal) Golf for the first time and yes I could see what people rave about with solid feel and quality and all that. However they are just too expensive, the base car (even the GTI) comes with nothing and everything is an option. To get the car you want in the first place you need to add 10k to the starting price and for me that just does not work. On a bang for your buck criteria the WRX wins hands down.
    As for some other commenters getting their mental knickers in such a massive twist over this and other topics you people seriously need to CHILL!!!!! It is just a forum for opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, brand loyalty is OK but you just don’t have to get so all fired up serious about it. Rexes rule.

  • Vid_Ghost

    TuffGuy all valid points but the Mazda looks unique sure the front grill is a little happy but the car is moving away from your run of the mil everyday look

    The WRX is hot but its a cop magnet and this car isnt…
    I would be happy with either a GolF GTI, Lacer EVO, Mazda3 MPS or WRX… all these cars rock…

    But this car can and does play with in the same league as the others.. but does it with Luxury

  • http://SsangYong Blue

    Plenty of kit for cash,ugly,FWD and whats the hand brake doing over there?

  • Gusto

    Hey has anyone commenting driven the new MPS? How many critics have taken the time to drive the old one? The problem exists all over the world with drivers and reviewers alike; people are afraid of the unknown. If burgers is all you know then pasta will taste like S@#t. Golf drivers and the like are so afraid something new might come along and show them a clean pair of heals in every sense that they go into a flat state of fear and panic and start shooting from the hip with criticism. The truth is that the old Mazda3MPS was a great car and although it had some shortfalls – so did the Golf! From a reliability perspective I think it goes without saying; the Mazda wins hands-down and has done so for years; probably forever as I can’t recall NO Volkswagen product ever being as reliable outright as ANY Mazda product. Compared to the old MPS the Golf V is the better handler, but the interiors for me are on par. The styling is up to personal preference. The new MPS is more practical and the design leaves me with eyebrows raised, but I need to see it in the flesh(remember the old Astina?). Having said that I think the new Golf Vi is so conservative it borders on boring. I am so glad Mazda took a bold step with their approach as it makes heads turn. I think the new MPS will definitely be a hit and as you can see, Golf drivers are already running scared. All of a sudden ‘it’s not all about performance’ and ‘the car is ugly’. Let me say this; if this car had a VW badge on it we would’ve been reading about the ‘innovative’ new Golf and the ‘out-of the-box’ thinking. I will drive it and make my decision their, but as it stands; Mazda have one client …

  • technofreak

    well…temptation got me and I am now waiting for the delivery ;)
    Up close these cars are simply so unique and just ooze quality for the money. Unlike anything else on the road in its class.
    Spent most of today in the showroom with one and now cant get the shape out of my head! A truly individual piece of work that is truly Mazda in every sense.
    I’ll miss my 2007 Mazda 6 but so look forward to getting to know this nasty little monster :D

  • anon

    I think Mazda have done a great job on the car , even though as a current owner of a 3 MPS there is very little to entice me to upgrade.

    When my lease expires I’ll probably be going with a 135i or something else that is RWD and Turbocharged.

  • Tanktaylor

    I dont know about this car, yes impressive motor, clutch, stats and interior but for the outside. Quality build like all mazdas just looks odd, i still see it as a ladies sports car.

  • AndreMps

    The 135i is only better from stand still otherwise it gets killed by the MAZDA 3 MPS just try a rolling start next to a 3Mps and you ll see ;) i know this for a fact !! also this applies for the WRX STI(stock) and for the Audi S3(stock) .
    From stand still these 3 cars are slightly faster but otherwise with 3rd gear 4th gear or any gear rolling they loose ..

  • daniel

    andre is right, mazda 3 mps will destroy anythin in rollin acceleration, its quicker then new BMW M3 , or rs4 audi, or even aston martin vintage from 80to120 in 3rd and 4th gear, the reason for this is its not a heavy car and has 161kws at the wheels,and a lot of torque, think bout it for a sec, WRX only has 168kws in the engine, and 110kws at the wheels, and mps has 161kws at the wheels, if u look at the motor trend magazine this month edition, on a their race track they tested the 3 mps 2009 model, against renault megane turbo r 26 ann 195kws WRX 2009 model, and then another month edition has BMW m3 and other heavy weights, MPS is almost always quicker around every corner on the track then M3 and almost certainly then WRX. now this is 2009 mps. i ve driven it at a local dealer 10 days ago and it seemed like mazda has tamed the beast, the car felt nose heavy and felt like its missin 50kws or so, but I coudnt really trash it cos the guy from mazda dealer was sittin next to me, and my cuzin was there too, its also 50 kilos heavier then the 2007 mps so maybe it just is slower. anyhow, 2007 model is a crazy car in gear acceleration astonishing

  • Matthew

    You would have to be bonkers to buy a 40k+ 2nd hand BMW 130i over a brand new 3 MPS. The BMW is outdated, it doesn’t look exiting at all. Its like your going backwards. No one would hardly notice you’ve got a very fast hatch-back. The BMW does not fit in with the hot-hatch style of today. It’s simply dull and I wouldn’t be happy driving it. Surely its a very good handling car with RWD and a much more higher quality interior. But its one of BMW’s weakest cars. Brand new hot-hatches today cost around 40K+. Civic Type-r, Mini Cooper S, focus XR5 Turbo, Golf Gti, lancer ralliart sportback, Megane Sport, WRX and maybe the Fiat 500 Abarth if it was available here. The WRX, lancer ralliart and the 3 MPS are one of the fastest hot-hatches to buy in that price range. Most European cars like Mercedes and BMW have their greatest cars costing 80K+. They don’t concentrate on their cheapest cars. Don’t bother with their cheapest brand new models, they are a waste of your money. If you want a hot-hatch European car that is worth buying, check this out.

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/31273/2009-volkswagen-scirocco-r-debuts/

    If only they could put it for sale here.

  • anon

    I love my little Mk1 Mazda MPS , but you guys are dreaming comparing its in gear times with the 135i.I have software on mine(185wkw) and the 135′s absolutely walk you.

    Great little car though.

  • Bob

    Well apart from all the postings that have NOTHING to do with the Mazda 3 MPS, can I ask, has anyone actually brought one of these? If so, would you buy it again after driving it for more than the ’10 min’ test drive?

    Personally, I dont care what is better, the Golf, or WRX or some other boy racer, I just want to know from those who actually own one, is this any good?

    I have enjoyed the 2 30 min test drives I have had, yet as I cant drive one for a week I am interested to know what it is like as a day to day car.

    Can anyone help?

  • Ted

    On the weekend I drove both the SP25 and the Maxx Sport both auto. I found the Maxx Sport to be lively with more throttle response and quit inside. Ths SP25 sounded like a front load washing machine and I do not think the extra 3K is worth it for the SP25 – only thing I would like in the Maxx Sport would be the Auto A/C. The SP25 did not feel any quicker than the SP25 and this may be dues to the it being near 80kg heavier that the Maxx Sport. I think that Mazda needs to reduce litre size and add turbo / supercharger to smaller, fuel efficent engines – I also think that Mazda makes excellent Rotary motors and many years ago, I have a hand full of rotary models. (put a rotary in the 3) If Mazda made piston engines like Honda, then we would have a nice package.

    Thoughts anybody.

    Ted

  • http://hips01au@hotmail.com Annie

    The MPS was delivered to Mazda dealerships on the Friday. I test drove one on Monday and picked up my new car on Wednesday!!! Was gonna get the standard version, would have had to wait a month – no way!!! Scraped up another 3 grand and got the luxury pack – no regrets. This car can be driven like an old lady or like the ‘beast’that it is!! Love everything about it, torque steer not such a biggy – I dont flog the thing anyway. My husband takes it for a “run”on Sundays so she gets to drive like she was designed to be driven. I traded up from a Mazda 3 Maxx Sport. As for being ugly? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not much different to the WRX to look at anyway. I was accompanied home by a Highway Patrol cop recently (wasn’t speeding) so don’t tell me it doesn’t look mean! Anyway Bob, do yourself a favour, as they say, and go buy one of these babies – you won’t be disappointed.

  • Peng

    ive got one and its of the chain!!..
    difference ppl like different cars

    not every1 is rich enough to buy BMWs
    that is why i am a racer boy/maccas eating/lakemba residing asian who has a lebonese mullet haircut in adidas tracksuit pants that grunt and moan when i go to the gym..lettuce tomato onions any1??

    chocolate buds

  • Micky

    Have now owned a Gen 2 MPS for 4 months and just had 10,000km service.
    In answer to Bob I hope you ended up buying one. Based on my experience I would not hesitate buying another MPS. I’m in my young 50′s and over the years have owned Falcon GT’s (XY & XA), a couple of XR 6′s and most recently a Accord Euro luxury and nothing compares to the enjoyment I get from driving the MPS. As for some of the earlier comments from readers I wander if those commenting have ever been in the MPS let alone driven one. Me, I love having a performance cars but one I can afford and at under $50K drive away I checked out everything in the price range but the the MPS luxury did it for me. If you are considering getting one you will not be disappointed.

  • Neo Utopia

    If only the GTI did not exist, I would buy this!

    • Gusto

      Yeah, I am pretty sure when they push 191kw and 380Nm of torque through that Golf chassis we’ll find just how good it really is! Maybe then we’ll also be criticising torque steer characteristics from a German chassis. The MPS wasn’t built to compete with a GTi because it would simply blow a GTi out of the water. As a package the Golf V and now Vi compared to either generation MPS are the superior, more sensible options. But these are performance cars and if we focus on why they were built, the MPS will win hands down everytime! I love driving around and seeing those GTi drivers look at me from the corner of their eye knowing full well they simply trying to box out of their weight division. I have a Mk1 MPS with a few upgrades(220kw,480Nm at flywheel) and I can tell you from experience … I have not come across a GTi who really put up a decent challenge(without playing dirty of course i.e bigger turbos, S3 cams etc). They simply can’t cope and most I have driven against have just been slaughtered. The performance of my car is just awesome and I am sure there are many out there who are even more potent.
      So to conclude, I have no problem with VWs but drive your overpriced GTi; just be advised you had better show respect and stay out of an MPS’s way, for you have no chance.

  • Autoboy

    From an MPS Gen 2 owner:

    1. Yes – hard (but not impossible) to lauch cleanly and get the ponies to the tarmac from standing start. 380nm through the front hoops!
    2. Rolling acceleration very, very quick.
    3. 80-120 scary!
    4. Please Mazda do not ‘refine’ this car. Its hard,fast, audible,and that just the
    way we like it.

  • ali

    thanks

  • Strongman

    Torque steer this, torque steer that… bah you’re all weak. These cars are super fun to drive, and civilised when not mashing the right foot. Good value for money, fast, and practical. GTi has gone too soft and the tartan pattern sucks balls. XR5 is good also, but lacks a little. Pull up next to Mr.GTi at the lights and leave him/her in your smoke.