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		<title>By: Tomas79</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-146354</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon they should get rid  of the camry altogether, and bring in the Toyota avensis from Europe instead.
The Avensis comes in diesel and wagon and looks much better all around!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon they should get rid  of the camry altogether, and bring in the Toyota avensis from Europe instead.<br />
The Avensis comes in diesel and wagon and looks much better all around!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve-Poyza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve-Poyza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TomR, I actually agree with you on the note of SUV&#039;s. I like wagons, especially europeans. Renault Laguna Tourer anyone? Imagine a Toyota Camry wagn. That&#039;d be interesting. Also imagine a somewhat sporty Camry (and I don&#039;t mean just a little bodykit) with good handling, AWD, aggressive styling and lots of luxury kit just like TomR said. Wow! Thats definitely not a Toyota...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TomR, I actually agree with you on the note of SUV&#8217;s. I like wagons, especially europeans. Renault Laguna Tourer anyone? Imagine a Toyota Camry wagn. That&#8217;d be interesting. Also imagine a somewhat sporty Camry (and I don&#8217;t mean just a little bodykit) with good handling, AWD, aggressive styling and lots of luxury kit just like TomR said. Wow! Thats definitely not a Toyota&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-145254</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lies!!!!! Toyota&#039;s claimed fuel consumption numbers on all their models are never achievable in the real world, but the sort of people that buy these cars are too dumb to care anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies!!!!! Toyota&#8217;s claimed fuel consumption numbers on all their models are never achievable in the real world, but the sort of people that buy these cars are too dumb to care anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: TomR</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-144638</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love the TRD model to come back, but could they put a LITTLE bit of effort into it and offer the thing with an AWD platform. RWD would be silly, far too expensive, make it AWD and offer a similar yet different niche to High Performance Falcodore owners/possible buyers.

Toyota really is just a boring manufacturer, and it WORKS. I would adore a nice sports car from them with the 3.5 six, like the Evora!!! But a new Supra!
But would they make money from it?

The over-bearing point in these comments seems to be that we want a Stationwagon.
I would rather be seen driving a Territory over a Falcon stationwagon, but to be honest, i&#039;d still buy the Falcon stationwagon.
Why the hell do we all need these SUV&#039;s when hardly anyone takes them off road? My dad bought a Tribute, quite a capable SUV, took it on sand once and the transmission went haywire -12k replacement-.
I WANT WAGONS!!!

P.S. Dear Toyota.
I understand your cars must be boring
But can you explain the ancient drivetrain in half your range? If you can do the Prius, you can do something half decent with a Corolla or Camry. If there was the tiniest spark of excitement within a Corolla, i&#039;d buy it (say... a new Sportivo like the &#039;03 model, wink wink, nudge nudge). Bloody brilliant cars. But brilliant in the way that my washing machine is brilliant. Does what it says it does and never breaks.
Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love the TRD model to come back, but could they put a LITTLE bit of effort into it and offer the thing with an AWD platform. RWD would be silly, far too expensive, make it AWD and offer a similar yet different niche to High Performance Falcodore owners/possible buyers.</p>
<p>Toyota really is just a boring manufacturer, and it WORKS. I would adore a nice sports car from them with the 3.5 six, like the Evora!!! But a new Supra!<br />
But would they make money from it?</p>
<p>The over-bearing point in these comments seems to be that we want a Stationwagon.<br />
I would rather be seen driving a Territory over a Falcon stationwagon, but to be honest, i&#8217;d still buy the Falcon stationwagon.<br />
Why the hell do we all need these SUV&#8217;s when hardly anyone takes them off road? My dad bought a Tribute, quite a capable SUV, took it on sand once and the transmission went haywire -12k replacement-.<br />
I WANT WAGONS!!!</p>
<p>P.S. Dear Toyota.<br />
I understand your cars must be boring<br />
But can you explain the ancient drivetrain in half your range? If you can do the Prius, you can do something half decent with a Corolla or Camry. If there was the tiniest spark of excitement within a Corolla, i&#8217;d buy it (say&#8230; a new Sportivo like the &#8216;03 model, wink wink, nudge nudge). Bloody brilliant cars. But brilliant in the way that my washing machine is brilliant. Does what it says it does and never breaks.<br />
Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Toxic_Horse</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-144543</link>
		<dc:creator>Toxic_Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a huge market out there for a low cost RWD 4 cylinder. It wouldn’t&#039; even need to be particularly good. Just make it cheap and low tech (easy to modify) boy racers the world over will love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a huge market out there for a low cost RWD 4 cylinder. It wouldn’t&#8217; even need to be particularly good. Just make it cheap and low tech (easy to modify) boy racers the world over will love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukaas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but Wheelnut, creating a Camry from a RWD is going backwards.
They had RWD sedan platforms back in the 80s. 
You have to understand, engineering automotive mass production cars take to account assembly/manufacturability costs more so than performance. 

Front wheel drive cars are just much more efficient assembly wise and parts component quanity wise.

Theres a reason why japanese companies ell RWD sedans on a premium price. GM, Ford sell RWD at affordable costs as they compromise the technology aspect of the chassis and underbody structures, basically they compromise somewhere in the car to make up for the RWD and big-as engine setup.

And if anything, if push comes to shove, Toyota can always re-engineer along with Subaru, the Impreza/Liberty platform chassis and configure them for RWD setup... affordable RWD platform.. BUT, still it&#039;ll cost millions on R&amp;D and currently its not gonna fly among Toyota execs at Japan.... however, a new vehicle altogether to cater to other markets... ahem.. sports... well thats different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but Wheelnut, creating a Camry from a RWD is going backwards.<br />
They had RWD sedan platforms back in the 80s.<br />
You have to understand, engineering automotive mass production cars take to account assembly/manufacturability costs more so than performance. </p>
<p>Front wheel drive cars are just much more efficient assembly wise and parts component quanity wise.</p>
<p>Theres a reason why japanese companies ell RWD sedans on a premium price. GM, Ford sell RWD at affordable costs as they compromise the technology aspect of the chassis and underbody structures, basically they compromise somewhere in the car to make up for the RWD and big-as engine setup.</p>
<p>And if anything, if push comes to shove, Toyota can always re-engineer along with Subaru, the Impreza/Liberty platform chassis and configure them for RWD setup&#8230; affordable RWD platform.. BUT, still it&#8217;ll cost millions on R&amp;D and currently its not gonna fly among Toyota execs at Japan&#8230;. however, a new vehicle altogether to cater to other markets&#8230; ahem.. sports&#8230; well thats different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why dosnt Toyota bring back the Camry wagon, we all dont want to drive little hatches or cumbersome SUVs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dosnt Toyota bring back the Camry wagon, we all dont want to drive little hatches or cumbersome SUVs</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Realist^^^^

*Almost* spot on, this car, the Toyota V12 Century, is not only the best BigT[tm.f-0] ever built, but the world&#039;s best passenger sedan, MILES in front of a RR or Maybach etc

Never seen a car company take so much care trying to make a 100-point perfect car like this, 9 days to build one vehicle buy a group of hand picked experienced technicians.

Think premium top of the line Lexus LS series, and move the yardstick further foward, by a long way.

Simply amazing vehicle, check out the video, and the hand-carved badge on it!, like jewellery!

C/A should do a review on it and visit the manufactory in Japan, happy to carry the bags for them! :-)

www youtube com/watch?v=s1erJ1eVmLo

Cheers,

F-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Realist^^^^</p>
<p>*Almost* spot on, this car, the Toyota V12 Century, is not only the best BigT[tm.f-0] ever built, but the world&#8217;s best passenger sedan, MILES in front of a RR or Maybach etc</p>
<p>Never seen a car company take so much care trying to make a 100-point perfect car like this, 9 days to build one vehicle buy a group of hand picked experienced technicians.</p>
<p>Think premium top of the line Lexus LS series, and move the yardstick further foward, by a long way.</p>
<p>Simply amazing vehicle, check out the video, and the hand-carved badge on it!, like jewellery!</p>
<p>C/A should do a review on it and visit the manufactory in Japan, happy to carry the bags for them! :-)</p>
<p>www youtube com/watch?v=s1erJ1eVmLo</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: DesignEng©™</title>
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		<dc:creator>DesignEng©™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leone (THE FERAL DOG) Says: 

&quot;Toyota doesn’t rest on it’s laurels&quot;

So a minor software tweak, that could have been done at any time, only happens when you need to beat a larger 6cyl car is being proactive or reactive?

Toyota......resting on its laurels again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leone (THE FERAL DOG) Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;Toyota doesn’t rest on it’s laurels&#8221;</p>
<p>So a minor software tweak, that could have been done at any time, only happens when you need to beat a larger 6cyl car is being proactive or reactive?</p>
<p>Toyota&#8230;&#8230;resting on its laurels again.</p>
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		<title>By: Hagar</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-144496</link>
		<dc:creator>Hagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a 2008 Camry V6 hire car and tested at 110km/h and over exactly 100km distance without stopping or changing speed (Karrgulin to Brookton) got 14l/100km.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a 2008 Camry V6 hire car and tested at 110km/h and over exactly 100km distance without stopping or changing speed (Karrgulin to Brookton) got 14l/100km.</p>
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		<title>By: The Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring the RWD Toyota Crown to Oz - superb car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring the RWD Toyota Crown to Oz &#8211; superb car.</p>
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		<title>By: AurionZR6 driver</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/35632/fuel-economy-gain-for-toyota-camry/#comment-144449</link>
		<dc:creator>AurionZR6 driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut, this is the first comment from you that I actually like being a toyota driver. Well done...


Wheelnut®™ Says: 
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm 
I believe that Toyota Should have continued to offer the Camry as a 4yl and a 6 cyl FWD car as they did with previous models [6cyl being exclusive to the higher up models like the “Sportivo” and make the Aurion a RWD car ci a V6 and maybe even a Lexus sourced V8

That way they would have had a direct rival to the Falcon and Commodore – which would have helped change their image not to mention given TRD more of a chance in their attempt in trying to turn it into a sports sedan.

As well as being an all new addition to the TMC line up.. They supposedly have the money and the resources but apparently lack the commitment to try something different</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut, this is the first comment from you that I actually like being a toyota driver. Well done&#8230;</p>
<p>Wheelnut®™ Says:<br />
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm<br />
I believe that Toyota Should have continued to offer the Camry as a 4yl and a 6 cyl FWD car as they did with previous models [6cyl being exclusive to the higher up models like the “Sportivo” and make the Aurion a RWD car ci a V6 and maybe even a Lexus sourced V8</p>
<p>That way they would have had a direct rival to the Falcon and Commodore – which would have helped change their image not to mention given TRD more of a chance in their attempt in trying to turn it into a sports sedan.</p>
<p>As well as being an all new addition to the TMC line up.. They supposedly have the money and the resources but apparently lack the commitment to try something different</p>
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		<title>By: The Salesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BORING. This is no great achievement. The Koreans have a 2.4 with 119kw five speed auto and five star safety since 2005. Combined fuel economy is 8.3. Good job Toyota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BORING. This is no great achievement. The Koreans have a 2.4 with 119kw five speed auto and five star safety since 2005. Combined fuel economy is 8.3. Good job Toyota.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukaas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone stated, Jake02... the things you wish to happen are almost impossible and illogical.


The Aurion facelift looks good too, seen some on google. ahem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone stated, Jake02&#8230; the things you wish to happen are almost impossible and illogical.</p>
<p>The Aurion facelift looks good too, seen some on google. ahem.</p>
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		<title>By: AAA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is for people who want a 6-cyl size comfy cruiser car but with fuel economy closer to a 4. It now has mp3 input and USB drive input which could play mp3 files directly off ur USB drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for people who want a 6-cyl size comfy cruiser car but with fuel economy closer to a 4. It now has mp3 input and USB drive input which could play mp3 files directly off ur USB drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jweb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow look at that cheaply taked on body kit..yuck.
good fuel economy,and good specifications for price.
but still white goods on wheels. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow look at that cheaply taked on body kit..yuck.<br />
good fuel economy,and good specifications for price.<br />
but still white goods on wheels. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut®™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut®™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Toyota Should have continued to offer the Camry as a 4yl and a 6 cyl FWD car as they did with previous models [6cyl being exclusive to the higher up models like the &quot;Sportivo&quot; and  make the Aurion a RWD car ci a V6 and maybe even a Lexus sourced V8

That way they would have had a direct rival to the Falcon and Commodore - which would have helped change their image not to mention given TRD more of a chance in their attempt in trying to turn it into a sports sedan.

As well as being an all new addition to the TMC line up.. They supposedly have the money and the resources but apparently lack the commitment to try something different</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Toyota Should have continued to offer the Camry as a 4yl and a 6 cyl FWD car as they did with previous models [6cyl being exclusive to the higher up models like the &#8220;Sportivo&#8221; and  make the Aurion a RWD car ci a V6 and maybe even a Lexus sourced V8</p>
<p>That way they would have had a direct rival to the Falcon and Commodore &#8211; which would have helped change their image not to mention given TRD more of a chance in their attempt in trying to turn it into a sports sedan.</p>
<p>As well as being an all new addition to the TMC line up.. They supposedly have the money and the resources but apparently lack the commitment to try something different</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut®™</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut®™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Toyota completes an upgrade or a refresh of its line up on a regular cycle... its just unfortunate for Toyota then that during that cycle its competitors move 2-3 steps ahead by introducing more features better engines which leaves them lagging behind.. meaning they have to do more in the next &quot;cycle&quot;

As for the Sports car designed by Toyota [which could explain why its so ugly] and built by Subaru... Toyota have already said if/when it is released it will be a JDM poduct only whereas Subaru said they will export it.

However; at this stage its got as much chance of being released as the next generation Supra - which has been &quot;on ice&quot; for the past 10 years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Toyota completes an upgrade or a refresh of its line up on a regular cycle&#8230; its just unfortunate for Toyota then that during that cycle its competitors move 2-3 steps ahead by introducing more features better engines which leaves them lagging behind.. meaning they have to do more in the next &#8220;cycle&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the Sports car designed by Toyota [which could explain why its so ugly] and built by Subaru&#8230; Toyota have already said if/when it is released it will be a JDM poduct only whereas Subaru said they will export it.</p>
<p>However; at this stage its got as much chance of being released as the next generation Supra &#8211; which has been &#8220;on ice&#8221; for the past 10 years</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Car for the comatose.LOL</description>
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		<title>By: Direct Injection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Direct Injection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leone.......for a start the Falcon doesnt have a V6. 

Sure your argument might make sense in some cases but when the overall pros and cons of each are taken into account the Falcon is a much better choice than a Camry, which is really a large 4 cylinder car. The so called savings are nothing when you can have a car that is better looking, more comfortable, more power and torque,way better handling and steering, better interior, better towing capability and gets about the same fuel economy.......like i said before, medium size cars just dont make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leone&#8230;&#8230;.for a start the Falcon doesnt have a V6. </p>
<p>Sure your argument might make sense in some cases but when the overall pros and cons of each are taken into account the Falcon is a much better choice than a Camry, which is really a large 4 cylinder car. The so called savings are nothing when you can have a car that is better looking, more comfortable, more power and torque,way better handling and steering, better interior, better towing capability and gets about the same fuel economy&#8230;&#8230;.like i said before, medium size cars just dont make sense.</p>
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